Why do people unironically say that KLK saved anime?

>>161728347
Because it was the first anime they watched.

Anime as a whole wouldn't exist today if Trigger didn't make TTGL, IC, KLK and SPL.

Why do people unironically believe everything they see on /a/?

I don't get it, it's overhyped trash

>>161728347
Because there was a drought of orginals that had enthusiasm and pomp without taking themselves too seriously.

>>161728347
It was popular at the time, it was their first popular anime they got to watch while it was airing, or they're actually saying it ironically. It's generally one of those three.

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>>161728347
It's my favorite anime, I watched it a year after it came out so I didn't get hit by the hype. I just enjoyed everything about it, it was a wave of fun and all of the cast was likeable, even Nui.

A lot of people shit on it, which makes me sad but I get why they do it.

>>161728380
>Trigger
>TTGL
WE

It did save anime though

>>161728655
A lot of the plot that should have seemed like wacky escalation of Satsuki's preparation for a greater evil, and the plot twist of the dad being a hunchback: became ironically predictable by trying to be too out there.

>>161728704
Don't mind him, he obviously has no idea what he is talking about.

It saved /a/.

The best thing about it were the two girls and their transformations. But thats makes you wonder why they didn't make the plot Ryuko fighting a whole lot of Kamui users. After Nui showed up this would have worked.
Instead after the stadium event timeskip the anime felt weak and not as strong as the first half.

>>161728347
I think people were expecting Trigger to only be getting better and better with episode to episode hype

They really haven't done much good stuff asides from Luluco

>>161728347
It's a great show, the animation is top notch, characters are good, and art is generally supreme

It's a meme, retard.

Saving anime isn't new, you'd know if you've been here long enough. That being said KLk was great. Can't wait for Promare.

it was saving anime until the exact moment nui showed up

>>161729232
Promare is just a cheap TTGLxKLK knockoff

>>161729282
Whatever it is, I want to form my opinion after I watch it. You know for a fact /a/ would be all over it regardless

>>161728347
It attracted people who don't usually watch anime. Whole reddit loved it, youtube was full of amvs, tumblr praised it for the strong women characters, deviantart loved the exhibitionism aspect, even /v/ watched it. Name another anime that managed to attract such diverse crowd.

>>161728704
WUZ

>>161729460
Unironically Naruto, One piece, Bleach.

>>161729515
>strong female characters
If you said Sailor Moon, I'd accept it.

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>>161728347
Kill La Kill was the most pathetic crap anime i ever watched, everything stretched to ridiculousness and no plot


PURE SHIT


Evangelion saved anime

Because they hadn't gotten around to watching TTGL yet. But in reality they are just newfags. It wasn't that good of a show, and that should have been obvious by the time the tournament arc came around.

>>161728347
I unironically believe you did not regularly browse /a/ during the 6-9 months preceding Kill la Kill's release. Which means you're newer than 2012

>>161729800
TTGL is a newfag show though

>>161729549
I can't talk for one piece, but Naruto and Bleach each have at least 1 strong female character. Even if this were not true, all 3 cover every other base, and the question was "Name another anime that managed to attract such diverse crowd." which is what I did.

>>161728347
Because Kill la Kill is an anime that people will still be talking about 10 years from now.

>>161729925
>still be talking about 10 years from now
The only people who will be talking about KLK in 10 years are the waifuposters.

>>161729821

Only a newfag would say that

>>161729969
TTGL is entry level. Only a newfag would object to this.

>>161729961
Reminder that TTGL and Lucky Star came out 10 years ago and are still talked about regularly. Moreso than any other show of that year.

Reminder that Kill la Kill will be 10 years old in 6 years.

>>161730011
>X is Y, only a Y would disagree with me

>>161729969
>>161730011
>Newfags calling each other newfags
Kek

but that was fractale and not klk. it even has a anime saving line

>>161728347
they're unironically being ironic when they say that

>>161729762
My little pony saved anime, you narmie

>>161728347
It was one of the biggest piece of trash a big studio has ever created. Shitty animation full of still images and sliding cardboard cutouts, garbage plot, tons of filler, everything relied on underwhelming 13+ fanservice, characters were boring and unoriginal, etc.

People saying it saved anime are either retarded, ironic, or have watched 3 series in total.

>>161730705
this desu, KLK has horrible animation. The shapes were way off alongside the shading

>>161728347
Don't you only hear that unironcially from the same kind of people who'd say something like "I only watch anime for the cool fights"

because it was so randumb xD

>>161729232
How was KLK great though? It was utter fucking garbage.

>>161732222
Nice meme faggot.

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>>161732222
Quads of truth,KLK was a lazy TTGL mimic devoid of original material. It was pure garbage and rode on the creators fame from previous works.

Nobody would remember KLK had a less known studio made it

>>161732311
Unless you can tell us why the show was good, it means you just liked it for superficial reasons and are failing to come with the fact it was a garbage show.

>>161732459
The show was good because as naive and simplistic it may have been, it was colorful, packed with action, good jokes and characters stuck with a plethora of people.

There's plenty of garbage shows, and this was not one of them.
If you think this is garbage, it simply means you haven't experienced the degree of shit that nowadays plagues this industry.

>>161732542
You sound like one of those pretentious and/or autistic dudes who feels the need to objectively critique everything he watches instead of just deciding you do or don't like something and moving on.

>>161732678
When you have watches as much media as some here have you need to be retarded not to automatically analyze the media you consume just because your brain is wired to spot this kind of things.

>>161732542
>it was colorful, packed with action, good jokes and characters stuck with a plethora of people
This boils down to "it was fun". In terms of artistic merits there were really few upsides to it.

>>161732678
Wew lad, stop projecting.
I wasn't the one asking another anon to justify its taste.

>>161728347
stale, uninspired memery, fueled by their bigotry and fanaticism

Better question, how will Promare stack up?

>>161728347
>people unironically say that KLK saved anime?
>shitty Re:Cutie Honey reskin
>saving anime
I don't know my friend, I think about it almost every time I read such a comment but, to this day, I still don't know.

Let's see:
EVA saved anime
DN saved anime
TTGL saved anime
K-ON saved anime
SAO saved anime
SNK saved anime
OPM saved anime
and apparently even BNH is saving anime right now

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>>161728347
KLK reminded me that anime could be fun again after you losers had spent years ruining everything else by proxy by being associated with it (even if it could be good in a vacuum). Was literally only watching UC Gundam, along with 80's & 90's stuff until KLK happened.

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>>161733801
More of the same. I hope Im wrong desu

>poster
>Kamina and Senketsu are resurrected
That would be neato but no way its happening

>>161728347
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbwx9mv9q34

>>161735241
It's supposed to be Gurren Lagann meets Kill la Kill theme wise. It's obviously going to be over the top whatever it turns out like.

>>161735372
>going more overthetop that TTGL
Aint that a stretch

Literally no human alive genuinely said that KLK was going to "Save" anime without at least a lacing of irony or sarcasm.

I personally enjoyed it, mostly because it didn't spend any time with slow exposition or boring fits of streched out still scenes. Even what moments they had of backstories and plot development had characters fighting, shit blowing up, and constantly moving scenes. You can get mad at the word "Fun" for existing, but it genuinely was a simply enjoyable anime. It's not going to sit in the annals of "Top 10 most pretentious diatribes of the human condition" like every faggot who criticizes it thought it was going to be, but it definitely was enjoyable.

Because they're /v/ermin.

>>161734049
Can you stop reposting this retarded comment?

I'm glad someone bothered to watch Re:Cutie Honey but they're not similiar at all.

>>161728347
because people have shit taste and free speech is rampant

>>161728704
Trigger is neo-Gainax

>>161738267
WE WUZ GAINAX N SHIEEEET

>>161738267
It's like the extreme parts of Gainax with nothing that anchored many of their series like in TTGL's themes of loss and FLCL

Also why has Trigger gone full girl protags asides from Ninja Slayer and Infernocop?

>>161738393
They haven't, Promare is about a malenigger again

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>>161738393
Because female protags > maleprotags
Faggot

>>161738527
I'd rather self insert than wanting to insert myself

>>161738393
I kind of enjoy how unhinged some of their shows are. They might not be perfect, but out of the mainstream productions coming out they are usually the ones that entertain me the most since they usually have an interesting take either in terms of animation/art style or in terms of format.

KlK in particular spoke to female sensibilities at the time of transitioning to adulthood by the creative usage of fanservice to tell a story about accepting your body and sexuality. Ryuuko being ashamed at first and her body used for fanservice gags while Satsuki declares ownership of her own body and plays it straight was a really cool element of the show. For a show that is classified as ecchi it had less cheap fanservice shots than a bunch of the anime that doesnt have that tag since nudity was used as part of the storytelling tool set, which was quite creative and enjoyable.

>>161728347
Because it did.

>>161728347
Yes, I'm sure that at least one human believes that KLK saved anime, anon.

>>161728347
No one says that unironically, the phrase was a running joke even before the series aired

>>161737739
And here I was, thinking that the Nile was just a river in Egypt.

Because it gave us Satsuki.

>>161728704
I thought I remember seeing some trigger site where they listed ttgl as their production

>>161728704
>>161728772
Imagine being this new.

>>161738393
They're making Trigger Girls so they need the buildup from luluco and LWA to lead into it.

>>161740736
>trigger girls
I would watch that SoL comedy with all the girls living normal lives after the end if their series

It ultimately culminates with them becoming part of Infernocop's harem

>>161738767
You do realize that when you oppose self inserting to an innuendo it also sounds like one?

When it was airing, it was hype and fun. but after it finished, you kinda just forgot about it.
Same thing with LWA.

>>161740991
LWA still has constant circlejerk threads. This has nothing.

>>161728347
Because it got a normie like me into anime and now I shitpost all over this subreddit.

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>We will never see Satsuki and Soroi be Batman and Alfred

KLK would have been 10/10 if they'd just made it 12 episodes and condensed all the budget into more quality and better pacing.

>>161742296
>condensed the budget
What are you even talking about? What would they have done in they "condensed the budget"? It would still be the same animators, its not like you can feed them more money so they output a better product. I swear to god sometimes people regurgitate shit without knowing a damn thing about the way media they consume is produced.

>>161742452
Are you okay anon? It's only common sense the less material you have the more time you have to polish it. Have you ever wondered why often anime movies have a better quality, even if the movie would be a continuation to a series? Not to mention they could have hired decent staff. You can argue how much this ultimately matters but saying it doesn't and referring to mystery media production that apparently doesn't follow common sense is utter insanity.

>>161742452
Not that anon. While I get your point, and many people talk about budget while having no clue what in means, he also has a point. Having more money availavable could enable them to outsource, hire freelancers etc. Longer project means that more things could go wrong over the course of production. Since it was Trigger's first tv anime project there was also the issue of how much money they had at that point, and since it wasn't an adaptation of anything they didn't have publisher's backing them up. Longer production means you also have to play your voice tallent more, leaving you with less money to work with.

>>161742697
>they could have hired decent staff
Almost everything relies on the art of the key animator who drew the majority of the animation before passing it along for shading, colouring, etc. In this particular series you can easily see that with episode 4 which had a different person in charge of key animation which is why it looks distinctly different than any other episode in the show.

>>161742697
>it's only common sense the less material you have the more time you have to polish it.
You are making the assumption that they would have spent more time per episode if they had less episodes. We do not know if that would be the case, and considering the animation quality of the series, which is one of the best I have seen for TV anime, I wouldn't say is one of the weak points of the show. The weakest point is some of the writing, but once again, you have no guarantee that they would have done a better job with a shorter series.

>>161742697
source: your ass

you sound so fucking autistic rn

>>161743304
Is this falseflagging? Because the way you type makes it seem so.

>>161743437
the way you type makes you seem autistic

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>>161741361
>>We will never see Satsuki
Don't remind me.

>>161743246
>You are making the assumption
And ultimately everything you say is also an assumption? Considering neither of us was intimately involved in the production of the series it's literally impossible to deduct a truth from hypothetical scenario, but I'd say that stating "there's no guarantee that shorter series would allow a higher quality" is clutching at straws at most as every reality of industry and common sense dictate they would at least have a better change in making something more proficient.

>>161744080
>And ultimately everything you say is also an assumption?
You are the one making the positive claim that if the production was shorter, the quality of said production would increase. You have provided no proof for said claim.

>Considering neither of us was intimately involved in the production of the series it's literally impossible to deduct a truth from hypothetical scenario,
It is possible to deduct from the typical scenario, though, in which case you are not given a bundle of cash and told to make as big a series with it as you believe is best. Instead you propose the series and are budgeted accordingly. A 20+ episode series will be given more money than a 12 episode one for multiple reasons from resource and staff allocation during work period to contracts with TV channels airing the production.

> stating there's no guarantee that shorter series would allow a higher quality" is clutching at straws at most as every reality of industry and common sense dictate they would at least have a better change in making something more proficient
See above. You assume that all resources would remain the same if the series was shorter, and that there will be a significantly large direct correlation between money spent per episode and quality of said episode.The former we have already stated is unlikely. The latter is a positive statement that you would need to prove which is impossible at this time by your own admission due to lack of data. You can say that it is "common sense" but the degree to which an episode would be improved based on a fantasy scenario in which overall budget remains the same is completely up to speculation.

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>>161743896
>we will never see nui again

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>>161744664
>Instead you propose the series and are budgeted accordingly
But even that is not true as series are scheduled and produced differently depending on the studio and possible orderers. I'm honestly still trying to wrap my head around the fact you are trying to disprove the notion that producing something bigger takes more effort than producing something smaller, which by default should sound absolutely counter-intuitive while trying to cherrypick some entirely hypothetical positive production bias.

If you are this autistic about the topic, I'm awaiting you to dig up the actual Kill la Kill production details. Before that I don't really see how the conversation could move to any meaningful direction, so I'm just going to wait for that.

>>161728347
Because it was fun I dunno

>>161742296
This is just an obvious ploy to cheat everyone out of Maiko.

>>161745556
>I'm honestly still trying to wrap my head around the fact you are trying to disprove the notion that producing something bigger takes more effort than producing something smaller
This is not what you are arguing, re-read your statements and how I address them in specific. Even in regards to effort the "bigger" something is the longer the animators work on it in terms of man-hours, but the amount of time spent per episode can be the same regardless if it is a 10 episode series or a 30 episode series. Regardless this doesn't really line up with the rest of your argumentation which was about financing and not "effort".

>But even that is not true as series are scheduled and produced differently depending on the studio and possible orderers.
The studio is trigger. If you think inferno cop or luluco were of significantly higher animation quality due to their shorter runtime then thats up to you.

>If you are this autistic about the topic, I'm awaiting you to dig up the actual Kill la Kill production details. Before that I don't really see how the conversation could move to any meaningful direction, so I'm just going to wait for that.
This is not how this works.I dont have to be doing any digging because you are the one making the positive claims of significant positive correlation between budget and animation quality, as well as a positive claim that budget remains constant regardless of series length. Unless you can prove your assumptions, "it totally makes sense in my head" is not a sufficient argument. As it stands your hypothesis lacks proof therefore we can discard it and return to the null one.

KLK is ten times the anime TTGL is

>>161748324
not ten times but it was a better anime for sure. TTGL was really basic, I barely finished it. KLK made me want to see more of the characters because they were great fun

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>>161728380

>>161748406
TTGL aired on Saturday mornings, which explains its simplicity. KLK aired in the middle of a weeknight like most anime.

>>161748506
I am not saying it wasnt simple for a reason, it was a kids show, all I am saying is that I didnt like it as much as KLK because of it. The themes and issues addressed in KlK were really interesting to see brought up by anime, especially if you have feminist leanings. Satsuki is the most empowering character I have seen in ages.

>>161748595
>empowering
Cringe

>>161728347
You're the only one perpetually bothered by it. Guess it really saves anime in your own little universe.

>>161748748
Fuck off reddit.

>>161748006
>This is not what you are arguing
This >>161742697 is my first post in the thread. Technically I never even say anything about financing outside humorous spoiler if you want to get into semantics now. Of course that's shit argument as money and development are absolutely linked, but that hasn't ever been my central argument.

>This is not how this works
This is exactly how it works as we're discussing something purely hypothetical. Are you honestly new at this, as you're trying to use burden of proof as some kind of golden principle in a scenario where only you have ever argued for something specific. Only way you can argue that Trigger follows the specific production schedules you previously "introduced" is to actually dig them up and show me that your argumentation is sound, otherwise we are still talking about hypothetical scenario that can realistically go either way. Then again only way you can deny this is to claim that "producing something big never takes more effort than producing something smaller" and argue this applies universally to anime production, but that would be the top retarded argument of the day.

As I said in my previous post, this conversation isn't going anywhere and you haven't provided any speculation more plausible than I considering the circumstances. Only way you can take this to sensible direction is to actually dig the Trigger production schedule, but again, I doubt you are autistic enough. Or who knows. But before that I'll just stop replying for now as I don't find this particularly enjoyable.

>>161748845
It is as if you lack basic reading comprehension skills, let alone argumentative ones. If you can not provide substance for any of your positive claims then they can be freely dismissed,. I am not even going to get into all the fallacies your argument is built on such as continuously repeating that it all just "makes sense" as if you deciding that obliges anyone to just roll over and agree. Of course the discussion can go nowhere when you can't even show us that you have basic understanding of the way the show was produced, let alone theorize about possible alternatives.

Asking me to dig up proof that your positive claims are incorrect is about as ass-backwards as an argument can get and there is a really simple reason for it - the claimant can keep making new claims or alter his previous ones over and over that need to be disproved since he would have no obligation to prove them. This is why this responsibility is placed on him, so that he can provide evidence that null is incorrect with the currently available data, with his argument being placed under scrutiny. I am not sure why you would expect it to be any other way.

>>161748748
>cringe
I was 13 at one time too

Is KLK satire of oversexualization in anime? I did a little research but I couldn't find any evidence to support that claim.

>>161749563
No it's an exploration of female puberty and the acceptance of ones body. At least I remember it being said in an interview.

>>161749663
Porque no los dos? It's clearly satirizing the concept of fan service a bunch.

>>161749350
Not that anon, but you do realize you are arguing about something that's impossible to prove and that's why asking for substance outside speculation doesn't make you anything else than asshat? I regret reading this shit if this was the conclusion.

>>161749696
Maybe I shouldn't have said "No". I meant to say that this is not the main focus.

>>161749741
>>161749696
>Kill la Kill has so much blatant fanservice it becomes satirical
Is this the world we live in?

>>161749718
>make claim you can't prove
>ask opposition to disprove it instead
>get called out on it
>opposition is the asshat
Interesting line of thinking. The concept is provable if he can show a pattern of trigger shows receiving similar financing regardless of format and/or shorter shows having increased quality.

>>161749826
It was well done fanservice, though. A bunch of the shots provided more contest to the scene or reflected the personality of the character rather than being there just for the sake of eroticism.

>>161749828
I've been meaning to ask you this for a while but are you perhaps a fucking idiot?

>>161749828
You both make generalizations about how industry operates but apparently his isn't valid because it's not Trigger specific? Then you start crying for "valid evidence" but refuse to do so yourself despite presenting opposing statements? And this is after you are the one that originally started the entire argument, making his original statements more than enough to counter yours. How am I supposed to think you aren't the asshat when after all this your claims even make less sense and are sustained by the fact you too refuse to prove anything out of principle?

>>161750424
>arguing over Trigger in a speculative e-dick showdown
Both idiots, but other more so.

>>161749388
>>161748818
Have sex and get a clue

>>161750754
I'm not sure if this is a sick virgin insult or not, but remember you are still on /a/.

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>this thread

We all know what really saved anime.

>>161740456
they have a few animators that worked on ttgl working for them now iirc plus the art-style looked pretty much the same on ttgl and klk

>>161752198
animators, producers, writers, back end, etc. A lot of people from TTGL are in KLK's credits from top to bottom.

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>anime original production
>premise took tons of risks
>some of the best direction in the entire industry
>high energy every single scene with constant animation

I don't know OP.