Who here was unironically rooting for this ubermensch?

>300 iq
>can't even teach matsuda how to swim

>>161694307
>ubermensch
no just fucking no

I have just started watching the new movie. Did the scriptwriter smoke Final Destination?

>>161694307
Under 20yo edgelords, that's who.

>>161694906
>rye-ook

>>161694307
I was rooting for L's autism, but then he died, oh well.

I stopped as soon as he killed Lind L Tailor

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>>161694307

I sort of stopped rooting as soon as I got toward the end.

>>161694307
all the way through, he killed himself in the end out of recklessness which was really stupid

The motivations of those who want to catch him is pure pleasure not justice. L , near , and Mello all enjoyed the game of cat and mouse more than anything, they weren't motivated by justice or some higher purpose, so it's very hard not sympathise with Light. Most of human history is populated by powerful men that did horrible crimes, changed history and even became heroes in the end (Stalin, Cromwell, Napoleon, Caesar etc.). The way they cached him in the end was pure bullshittiery for the sake of plot, and Near almost certainly cheated by putting Mikami's name on the Death Note, after they retrieved it from the gym. So there were not real "good guys" opposing Light, just opportunistic mercenaries like L,N and M.

>>161696217
Remember L calling him childish?

>>161696217
the ending was so fucking depressing
anime was worse

>>161696628
>opportunistic mercenaries
No way, L and Mello risked and sacrificed their lives. They worked for justice.

Me. I wanted for him to win only to realize his perfect wkrld would end when he did.

>>161696628
Wammy's house is seigi as fuck you nerd.

>>161696628
Misa pls

>>161696710

lol, read the last chapter of the manga, there is a flashback where L explains to the orphanage kids that he is motivated by interest, not justice and that he doesn't pick up cases he doesn't find interesting. The same is true for Near, and Mello. L never risked his life completely until the Lind L Taylor murder, if he was killed then instead of Taylor, no one could have catched Kira, even if he was someone twice as smart as L, and L knew it. As for Mello he never expected Takada to have a death note page with her, so his death was unexpected, and it was not a total self-sacrifice.

>>161696831
dumb frogposter

>>161694307
>99% kills are people already in prison for years or awaiting death sentence
>other 1% are innocent people who were just doing their job
>m-muh god amongst men
Entirely fucking useless. Glad he got fucked.

>>161696820
>motivated by interesting
>he doesn't pick up cases he doesn't find interesting
You are not understanding the characters at all. They picked the cases no one else could resolve. But yeah of course they enjoyed it.

>>161696217
That bit was thrown in specifically to make the audience turn against Light because the author wanted his loss to come off as the 'correct' ending.

>>161696710
L put his life on the line because there was no way he could win without that

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>>161694307
>3000 iq
>beaten by a toddler
I am convinced the series gave up after the event that happenned in the middle. The authors pretty much confirmed this.

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>>161694307
cause the white boi got beat yo

>>161694307
I rooted for him but I later realized he kept on doing a lot of shit early on that could've gotten him caught. If he didn't run into Naomi he'd already be fucked.

>>161694307
How can I root for him when half of the series is him trying to fix the stupid mistakes he made in the other half?

>>161699245
What mistakes did Light made? All Light mistakes were actually Misa's or Mikami's.

>>161699312
Letting L know about him being able to control the time of death, letting L know about him being able to control actions before death, making it obvious to know that he had information only people from the police would have, killing the FBI guy in a place full of cameras so L could check them and notice that Kira was probably in the train by looking at his reaction, letting everyone know about the existence of the notebook.

>>161699312
revealing his location by killing off a totally not-fake L on TV

>>161699421
>>161699462
>letting L know about x
Not mistakes, it was a trap so Light could meet L. And it worked.

>letting everyone know about the existence of the notebook
Misa's fault. But it was used to prove his innocence thanks to the fake rules.

Light's only mistakes were trusting Misa and Mikami.

>>161699534
>Not mistakes, it was a trap so Light could meet L
No, that wasn't what Light was thinking at that time, he only wanted to play with him because he was cocky. Light was really intelligent but he was arrogant and if not for Ryuk he would have been caught by the FBI agent.

>>161698924
>toddler
Near's age by the end of the manga is the same as Light's age in the beginning. You are confused because of their designs.

>>161699031
Why was that movie so gory?

>>161696628
>cheating
Everything's fair in love and war

>>161699669
>he only wanted to play with him because he was cocky
He wanted to play with him because he wanted to kill him.

>Loses Watari (lol) because of Light and his death-obsessed slut of a girlfriend
>Goes into Light's house nigging out and waving a gun around and threatening Light with no evidence.
>Steals a cop car and chases Light in an attempt to apprehend him.
>Screams, cries and does other stupid shit that L would never do.

What did ((((they)))) mean by this?

>>161699828
You forgot to mention that L and Watari are a gay couple.

>>161699815
He could have done it without driving himself into a corner several times

>>161694307
He's not an übermensch, at all.

>>161699828
>make L black
>write him as a black would act

hmmm....

>>161699862
lolwut

You can't be serious, you aren't trying to ruse me are you? That's almost as dumb as Watari's full name being Watari.

>>161698924
It helps that the toddler is also somehow 3000 iq+ so the playing field is a lot more equal but still, if he hadn't acted like a retarded manchild and didn't take L's bait he could've kept his identity secret easily. He has a literal death god and a supernatural murder book on his side and the cops have no intel on either of those. He could time the deaths randomly and run the cops in circles but his pride fucked him when he took L's bait and basically announced his occupation and location.

>>161699862
Don't forget that stupidass lullaby.

>>161699875
>He could have done it without driving himself into a corner several times
Not without the shinigami eyes and Misa gave him several problems.

>>161699534
>Not mistakes, it was a trap so Light could meet L.
Light pls
You totally thought you killed L on TV and you were also pretty butthurt when you found out you didn't

>>161700038
I'm not saying that Misa didn't give him problems, but he already had problems because of his actions. Penber and the cameras were there because he knew things only the police would know, both times he needed Ryuk's help, if not for him he wouldn't have known he was being investigated and the amount of cameras in his house, in which case he wouldn't have been able to guess they were keeping check on him for a short period of time. He was also the one who told Light that the cameras had beeen taken away.

>>161699929
After that scenario maybe he could've tried writing L. Maybe he could've gotten away with it.

>>161700175
Penber found nothing and the cameras wouldn't find anything special anyway.

>>161700279
Penber found nothing because he didn't have the time, and the cameras would have found Light watching the news and writing the names on the Death Note.

>>161700279
>>161700341
Sorry, I just remembered something just as I was posting. The cameras would also have shown the secret compartment and how it works, which would let them find the notebook.

>>161696628
Doing bad stuff with good intentions and doing good stuff with bad intentions.

>>161700341
>>161700393
Also Ryuk eating apples.

>>161696628
>Most of human history is populated by powerful men that did horrible crimes, changed history and even became heroes in the end (Stalin, Cromwell, Napoleon, Caesar etc.).

wow, it's like you don't even have a basic understanding of human history

>>161694307
>ubermensch
>so effeminate he has to PRETEND he reads porn

why didn't they just end the series after L dies?

you can have Light die a stupid karmic death that doesn't involve a lot of shenanigans

>>161700542
>ubermensch
>slave to base instincts

>>161700613
Because contracts.

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OK, but in real life, there's no way they would assume it was one person carrying out all of the deaths. They'd assume it was some new disease spreading around, or a drug. Not a teenager killing people from his bedroom.

>>161700742
The fake L was the way for them to confirm it was a guy.

>>161696957
Oh shut up. I was a lightfag but even I was able to see that this would happen if he lost

>>161696628
>pure bullshittiery

Anon.... He lost fair and square... stop

>>161700613
Mello was great, that's why.

>>161699935
>hurr durr if he didn't kill taylor

No stop this has been disproven already that this wasn't the critical mistake. Furthermore it would have been out of character for him to not kill him. The story isn't about how "you" would get away with it. It's about how light handles it.

>>161700742
This, they would first spent at least a year conducting reaserch. Even if they did suspect convicts were being murdered, they would assume stuff like revenge killings, witness silencing, mob hierarchy bullshit etc. done by poisoning were taking place
>>161700793
They wouldn't pull of a public stunt like that ever, because if they were wrong they would become a laughingstock

If they didn't want light to win they should have had L kill him. I was a lightfag but after seeing the bs that was near I realized it would have just been better for L to catch light

>>161696217
He lived like a hypocrite, he died like one.

>>161700742
Why is it you people forget what DN was about? In real life it prisoners started talking about kira before they die then they would realize that something fishy is going on.

>>161701152
If they were wrong it would help them garner more data about kira. Furthermore it was only shown to a small region, not the whole world

>>161701353
The internet exist, so it would spread like wildfire, making it meaningless unless the broadcasted in different regions in very small intervals. And that small region has 40 million people living in it

>>161701727
Conspiracy theorist would arise and help with the investigation. Light's kills before he got outsmarted by L happened during the same time frame and most of them were from people broadcasted from local television, so not many people from other countries would be shown. That alone would raise many flags.

>>161702048
Not just conspiracy theorist. Governments would be shitting their pants at the thought of an invisible untraceable infinite range sniper weapon. They'd be all into catching Kira and procuring the weapon in the name of """""national security"""""

The instant L proved 90% a human was behind it, the bandwagon would topple over from all the alphabet soups jumping in.

>reading the manga because I dropped the show years ago when L died
>Light during the L arc was completely composed, knew what he was doing, had everything planned and knew how to outsmart L no matter what theory he crafted, he was always a step ahead
>L dies and the autistic children get introduced
>outsmarted for no apparent reason by not-L at every chance, loses his cool, and acts like a fucking retard

now I remember why I dropped it, this is fucking lame.

>>161702156
>people don't become arrogant and prone to mistakes when they kill the only person that can stop them, bring the US to their knees, and get a religion to follow them

>>161700613
Mikami hamming it up.

Why wouldn't you root for him. He was based af

>>161702663
He was childish and so was his view on """justice"""

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>>161694307
I was in a weird position as I rooted for Light and L at the same time. I loved how Light defeated L, but I also hated Light for defeating L. In the end, though, both of the guys I rooted for died. They were both too good for this world.

>>161694307
But you're supposed to root for him. Otherwise there's no tragedy in watching him lose.

I'm surprised anyone rooted for him. When he lost his memories, I thought that was supposed to juxtapose just how corrupt the Death Note had made him.

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>>161702880
>Tragedy
>Light going out like an angry child is a tragedy

lol

>>161702880
Its a tragedy in the greek sense not the "i'm sad this guy lost" sense.
Its an egomaniacal faggot getting what he deserved.
You don't have to root for him, just find him interesting and see where his story goes.

>>161702701
He was making the world a better place

>>161700742
>there's no way they would assume it was one person carrying out all of the deaths
They didn't do that even in the anime, though.

In case you don't remember, the police and other organizations largely ignored the deaths at first. They only paid it some attention after the death toll had risen above a 100. That's a lot. What made it even more suspicious was that all of them were criminals or prisoners, and all of them died of inexplicable heart attacks. If it was a disease, especially such a deadly and mysterious one, there would be a lot more victims. But there weren't. Taking all of this into considerations, only a handful of people actually believed them to murders. Most still didn't think they were murders. They just thought it was random heart attacks, coincidentally affecting a large amount of criminals. Among the few that did believe these to be murders, they thought it was done by some really large organization, rather than a single person. Something the size of FBI or CIA.

Even when L came and declared it was murders, not incidents, he also wasn't sure how many people he was dealing with. So no, people did act realistically. Literally no one thought it was carried out by a single person, and only a handful even started to get suspicious after the death toll had risen to over a 100.

>>161703235
Uh yeah.. .this.
In Light's pursuit of Justice, he becomes the very thing he set out to destroy. Even at the very end he can't see the depths of which he has fallen.

The journey just isn't the same if he starts as an acne riddled edge lord.

>>161696217
Could have asked for shinigami eyes and just killed everyone following him.

>>161694307
I rooted for him in both parts when I watched it for the first time about 8 years ago (I was 15 then).
When I rewatched it last year, I liked L better, but in part 2 I'd still rather he'd have won, cause near and mello were shit.

>>161704289
Not without a notebook, and the cops would've shot him to death.

>>161700542
Light is asexual, he only cares about divine intervention

>>161704605
But if the cops started shooting the only one who would die is L_____.

Even if he were caught what are they gonna charge him with?
Killing people through a magical notebook?
They cant do shit to him.

>>161704752
>Killing people through a magical notebook?
Yes. They have proof, they have the notes.

>>161704752
Motive, Means, and Opportunity. That is enough to prove murderous intent, even if the murder weapon is magic.

>>161704752
>They cant do shit to him.
Why? A murder is a murder, means of murder mean little.

>>161696710
L was also willing to let everyone die and let Kira be free so that he knew the method of murder.

>>161696706

>anime was worse

Worse in that it was more depressing? Or worse overall? I'd say the manga ending is more fucked up because Light got off easy in the anime ending, despite everything he did.

>>161704752
Show me any law in any country of the world that specifically says a murder weapon can't be magical.

>>161696217
ugh, I hate that ending, the anime ending felt a bit more connected to the story for me, this one just felt like the author wanted to force you to think of light as an evil guy, unlike the anime where you might agree with him at first, but his actions slowly convince you that he's a psychopath, because anyone who picks up this book will try it and eventually become a psycho.

>>161694307

Is Death Note unironically worth watching?

The only "big" anime I haven't watched yet.

>>161705216
Yeah

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>>161705216
>The only "big" anime I haven't watched yet.
I severely doubt that.

Death Note is pretty good though.

>>161705216
Yee.
Is a great thriller battle of wits.
Knowing the ending from this thread doesn't even matter cause the bits in between are that entertaining and good.

>>161705216
I like the manga better

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>>161705216
Movie: Yes.
Anime & Comic: No.

>>161696217
I was but only because of how much I hated that faggot Near

>>161705214

After all these years, I'm still not sure which ending I prefer, and I appreciate them both. The only difference here is that Ryuk immediately decided to write Light's name down when he saw Light was desperate enough to ask for his help, which he never had to do prior to that.

>>161705216
Yes it is. At least watch the first two eps. Wether or not you keep watching after "that part" (spoilers ITT) is up to you. But if you have watched many "big name" anime, then I can guarantee that this will be way above the average level.

>>161704778
>>161704807
>>161704861
>>161705153
No court will acknowledge that writing a name in a book can cause a death.
Having names, dates and ways of death in the book isnt enough evidence to tie the act of murder to it. They couldve been written after down after their deaths and while extremly suspicious cant be tied to the act of murdering them.
Youd have to prove the lethal properties of the death note to the jury and that is probably illegal since most countries have defined ways of executions and human experimentation of this type isnt allowed either.

Its like convicting someone for killing people by cursing them, not happening except in some theocracies.

>>161705337

I find it strange how most people who've never watched the anime ended up liking this movie.

>>161705447
They have actual Gods of Death walking among them. The only evidence they need to see it is touching the fucking note.

>>161705216
The show likes to do this shit a lot https://youtu.be/T6GdBKXktvE but it has some genuinely good moments in it too

>>161694307
THOUGHT IT WOULDN'T MATTER!

>>161705447
>No court will acknowledge
Yeah no ur dumb. It is true that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. The death note is the proof. All the circumstantial evidence lines up, all the names line up, everything points to Light being Kira, and the final nail in the coffin is the Death Note itself. No court would acquit.

>>161705448
Everyone I know that has seen the movie thinks it's garbage

>>161694307
Lelouch is superior, his plan somewhat worked, and he lived.

>>161705447
Right, even after tens or hundreds of thousands of people were killed, even after fucking everyone in the world acknowledged what was happening, even after it had been repeatedly proven what was happening by the police, even after the entire social and political climate of world was radically changed by Kira's hand alone, even after all that, nope we're playing by real world rules.

Fuck off and go actually read the manga or watch the anime before acting like a dipshit.

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>>161705216
It is THE thriller. Death Note reaches heights that no anime hasn't been able to recreate since it aired. There is literally no anime that accomplishes the same level of frantic violence and desperation that Death Note does.

>>161705591
well there is that space anime everyone knows but I cant put my finger on the name atm, that one is more thrilling in a different wat

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>just got to the part where Near "won"

fucking hell make this end, the brat didn't deserve the victory

>>161705216
Read the manga first and watch at least the first half of the anime later.

>>161705661

That punk had everything handed to him.

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>>161705661
It was Mello's victory actually. RIP sweet prince.

>>161705591
Are you kidding? Kaiji came out right after and had the same composer and studio. I'd argue it surpasses it.

>>161705746
I didnt hate Mellow as much as I DESPISED Near. Worst fucking character

>>161703265
Brb literally murdering you real quick

>>161703265
I mean technically I could set a prison ablaze, kill everyone inside just to "make the world a better place" but it isnt really gonna do that is it

>>161705748
Kaiji is definitely great and does what it does really well but I wouldn't put it in the same category as Death Note. Two very different atmospheres and overall themes. Both involve mind games though thats about it.

>>161705711
This is what makes me angry, Near didn't do SHIT and suddenly constructed a really shitty masterplan between the times he played with his barbie dolls or threw darts at the wall. What in the actual fuck.

Mix it up with everyone laying out the answers for Near by suddenly confessing or conveniently acting stupid is fucking lame. Near wouldn't have won jackshit if it wasn't for all the conveniences that happened for him, all his assumptions were pure conjecture without any proof.

First half was so good and really enjoyable, but after L dying the manga took a noticeable nosedive into pure stupidity. What a shame.

>those last absolutely gargantuous walls of text just to explain something as simple as "Giovanni the madman perfectly recreated the notebook by hand in a single night"

A testament to Death Note's to most glaring flaw really, they spend more and more time explaining stuff than actually showing the stuff itself. "Show don't tell" if you will.

>>161705885
It'd be reducing the tax burden of incarcerating the most ridiculously high number of people per capita of any nation in the world. So it KINDA helps.

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>you now remember Light is now a Shinigami who rules the universe

>>161706059
>shinigami
There is no proof to confirm this

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>>161706074
>he doesn't know

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>L actually goes out and does the work
>Near just comes up with a master plan while playing with toys
Very intilligint boy.

>>161706059
He is rooting in MU.

>>161705448
Same. My friend watched the movie and said it was amazing. He never saw the anime, or read the manga. I told him to watch the anime, and he said he still liked the movie.
It's probably because the concept itself is really interesting to those that have never seen it before. The idea of a book that can kill anyone in the hands of a smartass is already an attention grabber.

>>161706210
Nice Picture of L you got there

>>161702985
the other way to look at it is that he was completely aware of his ego and could throw it away to deal with the situation at hand. Some people might consider a person like that as capable of laying down judgement

if the roles were reversed and L was the one carrying out justice for some reason with the death note, do you think light would have been able to catch him?

>>161706153
>he knows

make me a knower sempai

>>161706493
The list of suspects would narrow down pretty quick once they figured out that all the victims were people who cut in line at the bakery and buy up the last treats.

>>161706621
I'll give you a quick rundown. There's two additional scenes where Ryuk is recounting the "Death Note" story to an unknown shinigami. Fan speculation is that this shinigami is a reincarnated Light.

Google "Light reincarnation shinigami" for all the details.

>>161707111
Just a little reminder that it is part of a non cannon anime original ending planned to air at the end of the first season, and ultimately ditched. Other parts can be found around too...

>>161695008
The only good part of the movie was Ryuk appearing right after that butchering and correcting Light on how his name was pronounced.

>>161694307
I was, but his plan was unsustainable.

>>161699312
Light's biggest and first mistake was killing the fake L on TV because he insulted Light's ego.
That literally caused a domino effect that continued snowballing until Light was killed.
If he just didn't respond to the fake L's taunts, there would have been literally no way to narrow down the search area, and Light would have been free for the rest of his life.

>>161704752
They weren't going to properly arrest him anyway. They were just going to throw him into some hole to wither away and die.

>>161694307
I actually liked the dichotomy between L and Light. Both were motivated by justice but different ideas on the means of carrying it out. They showed the complexity of right vs. wrong as you can agree with both of them but understand why they had to clash. This is why I preferred the japanese film version since it ended with just the both of them. I kind of lost interest in the anime after L died.

>>161705216
Read it while listening to the anime soundtrack instead.

>>161705447
>No court will acknowledge that writing a name in a book can cause a death.
You're damn right about that, because neither L nor Near nor the Japanese task force had any intention of taking Light to court once they'd proven he was Kira.

>>161708509
>Both were motivated by justice
wrong

L was motivated by autism

Near was cute.

>>161706032
>"Giovanni the madman perfectly recreated the notebook by hand in a single night"
Absolutely fucking impossible and completely ruins the ending. How fucking dumb.

How are the OVA's? I mostly just want to rewatch the up to L's death since the quality took a sharp downturn after that

Also it looks like they added some good extra scenes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX1_K-mUH94

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>>161706059
Animefags GET OUT

>>161708183
>Light would have been free for the rest of his life.
Not really, because Light would try to hunt anyone who oppossed him. Hiding is not his style, he is a hunter.

>>161708662
>first time this subject is discussed ryuk is reflected in light's eyes
>second time it's light reflected in ryuk's eyes

poetic

>>161694307

I wasn't really rooting for anyone, the main characters were unlikable cunts. Entertaining as fuck but unlikable cunts

>>161708662
What do shinigamis even know about the afterlife.
They're just monsters feeding on human souls,

>>161708899
the same can be said of all religions

>>161708937
*tips fedora*

>>161708183
>>161708183
He was practically sucking his own dick at that particular time thinking his omnipotent and L understood this perfectly. Light never hid the fact that a human was capable of the deaths but he wanted people to revere him which was his weakness and L exploited that in a perfect keikaku. He knew kira was inflating Light's ego. It was very unlikely that someone would want to hunt him down in the first place as he practically think he was God at that point.

>>161708899
>what do gods of death know about the afterlife
Imagine being so afraid of death that the gods of death in a fucking manga saying nothing comes after death bothers you so much you need to say they're wrong.

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>>161708965
Oh fuck no

*Unpanties rifles*

>>161694307
He's far from an ubermensch though, he lost his humanity, that much is true, but I wouldn't say he transcended it or reached higher planes of existence.

I loved both L and Light and rooted for them both. I absolutely loved how Light shat on every single person who loved him, and only saw them as tools. The women who loved him, his own family, his colleagues, his only friend and rival he could connect to. Such a glorious sociopath, who made for such an entertaining protagonist, so far removed from the usual jump protagonists, and even more so from his netflix version.

>>161708937
You forgot to add "Perhaps". If you going to reference something good, could you please not fuck up the reference?

I was just enjoying the story, didnt even know if he was right or not, I might have done the same

>>161709184
He said no matter what, you "go to the same place", which implies something after death.

>>161694307
>6 gorillion IQ
>decides to use police only info, literally the only way he could be tracked down to the exact individual
Fucking retard.

>>161709184
>imagine being afraid of the thing every sentient organism is programmed to fear most

tips top hat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwdebuLRjsM

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>>161709880
>what is apoptosis
>what are kamikazes
>what is death drive
>what is suicide
Oh anon.

>>161710005
>what are all things generally considered mental illness

>>161699534
Light was surprisingly short-sighted for someone so smart. Even if he killed one good detective, there would've been someone else to take his place. Why place yourself on the radar at all when you have a supernatural way to kill that nobody could have ever guessed? Then again that wouldn't work well for a tv show cause it'd be a whole season of Light writing names dramatically in his notebook

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>>161705562
>implying Ryuk would let the notebook fall in the gubberment's hand
He'd probably write Light's name in it like he did and toss it to another egomaniac.
>>161708565
This, why expect them to suddenly act by the rules? Doubly true in real life

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>>161709858
The manga is very explicit that death is the end. When pressed to give the story a theme, he said "Humans will all eventually die and never come back to life, so let's give it our all while we're alive". There's no after.

>>161705216
If you are into so-edgy-that-it-may-end-up-cutting-you self-inserting fantasies, then go ahead.

>>161710133
They're not mental illnesses. They're instincts. Death sometimes needs to be confronted by the few for the bigger group to survive. Sure that instinct can be corrupted into a mental illness but it's still something that is programmed in us and helped our kind survive this far. That's also the reason why the sacrifice of a few for the many is the ultimate tear jerker in stories. It helps set an example to strive for, inspire people to do the same should the need arise, and pay hommage to those who did.

>>161694307
I'm not a criminal, so yes.

>>161709864

The investigators were never sure if Kira was a cop, for all they knew Kira could have been fed information by someone in the police force. Also Light became a police investigator only after L's death.

>>161705981

There was no master plan, Near was lying half the time. First of all it was was Mello that made the breakthrough on the death notes, learning the fake rules and finally deducing one of the two Kira's being Light Yagami by seeing Takada's name in the fake notebook.

Near however had no way to prove this, after obtaining the real notebook, Near cheated by writing Mikamis name. See:

https://www.quora.com/Did-Near-really-control-Mikamis-actions-in-ending-of-Death-Note

Near had all the clues, and possibly the smoking gun, thanks to Mellos sacrifice, but no hard evidence to incriminate Light. No matter how much of a genius you are , it doesn't matter in the end because at most in the end he could only incriminate Mikami and not the true mastermind. That is of course until the warehouse confrontation, forcing both Kira's to come out and confront him. Of course many will say that Near cheating is fan theory, but it is also theorised by Matsuda who is the most neutral and unbiased observing character in the series.

>>161710541
Thats a nature vs nurture debate though, even those suicide bombers probably feel fear before detonating

>>161694330
Took me a while to get it.

>>161710566
Near cheating is literally a fan theory Matsuda came up with because he was butthurt about the ending. The ONLY thing in-universe pointing to it having any truth at all is Near claiming his man made a fake Death Note in one night, which is completely ridiculous.

>>161710597
Of course they did, but they still did it. Nobody would suicide if the death drive couldn't override life instincts.

>>161710806

It is not ridiculous if Mikami was controlled and did not check the fake notebook for mistakes. Also the biggest bullshittery, him visiting the bank to "check" if the notebook was there. The writers leave it as an ambiguous plot point, but it is hinted at nonetheless in the manga.

>N instantly knows 100% that Light is Kira despite only having baseless conjecture
>Misa does absolutely nothing
>Light openly cheats on Misa and no one calls him out on it
>Light keeps having super sketchy meetings with the reporter girl and nobody says anything
>Light KNOWS Mogi is going to rat him out to N and does nothing about it
>N wins in the biggest copout of all time
>Jealous just takes a notebook and walks off
Why was the second half so terrible? What a massive drop in quality.

>>161710927
>him visiting the bank to "check" if the notebook was there.
What are you even talking about? He only visited his bank as part of his regular schedule and to kill Takada.

>>161710960
>N instantly knows 100% that Light is Kira despite only having baseless conjecture
He had all of L's information, plus Mello told him the 13 day rule was fake, which was the clincher Rem killed L over.
>Misa does absolutely nothing
She lost her memories and her eyes, she was useless.
>Light openly cheats on Misa and no one calls him out on it
No one relevant had any respect for Misa.
>Light keeps having super sketchy meetings with the reporter girl and nobody says anything
Aizawa investigated to see if Light and Takada were trading notes and informed Near that they were. Near told him to let the big boys handle it.
>Light KNOWS Mogi is going to rat him out to N and does nothing about it
Are you talking about Aizawa? It doesn't matter, nothing the japanese task force had to contribute mattered in the Near-Light conflict
>N wins in the biggest copout of all time
The only thing wrong was the ONE FUCKING NIGHT part.
>Jealous just takes a notebook and walks off
Sidoh just took his notebook and fucked off, he didn't care about anything.

>>161710834
But its different when one has it ingrained in him to die for religion vs someone who kills himself due to depression

>>161701727
It was 2003 anon. The internet wasn't like today. Social media also didn't exist

>>161711248
>The only thing wrong was the ONE FUCKING NIGHT part.
Not even that. If he used the Death Note on Mikami, even a random book would have been a good enough fake for him. No one looked closely.

>>161708634
Eh, He was a CIA agent and they had the government backing them. If they could ask for a fugton of money just to waste it on yhat sakura tv guy, I don't see why they couldn't use the power of murica government

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>>161702156
>Light during the L arc was completely composed, knew what he was doing, had everything planned and knew how to outsmart L no matter what theory he crafted, he was always a step ahead
>outsmarted for no apparent reason by not-L at every chance, loses his cool, and acts like a fucking retard

Nice headcanon.

>>161694307
When he was the underdog.

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Is this manga honestly worth reading?

>>161711248
>The only thing wrong was the ONE FUCKING NIGHT part.

It was a lie. Near manipulated mikami using the DN. Matsuda theorizes it and it wouldn't have been mentioned if that wasnt the case

>>161710834
>death drive

Religious martyrdom and divine compensation for the act is not death drive.

These brainwashed tools don't think they're actually dying but rather transcending to a higher existence.

>>161713393
If you've never watched the anime? Sure, more than the anime actually. If you've already watched it? You should read other thrillers/mindgames stuff.

>>161713457
I haven't watched the anime.

>>161713514
Then watch the netflix movie

>>161710960
>N instantly knows 100% that Light is Kira despite only having baseless conjecture

Did you just fucking forget the two hour talk he had with Aizawa about L's original suspects?

>Light keeps having super sketchy meetings with the reporter girl and nobody says anything

Except he did a great stunt that convinced the HQ members of Takada doing a 180° on Kira.

>Jealous

It was Shidou, and he only wanted the notebook, what's the issue? I swear every plot hole is just people legitimately not remembering what they are talking about.

>>161713194
>they had the government backing them
No, America kneeled to Kira and Light drove the SPK into hiding.
>if they could ask for a fugton of money just to waste it on yhat sakura tv guy
That was L's personal fortune. Also, that was one of the retarded bits that make the back end of the series a chore.

>>161713416
Matsuda is a literal stand-in for Light fans, as demonstrated enough times. As Ide says, it's nothing more than wishful thinking, and eventually up for the reader to decide.

>>161713652
>make the back end of the series a chore.

It was one of the most unexpected things to happen and I thoroughly enjoyed it, and Near's prefaction. Part two has the best setpieces, and it can hardly get more boring than the Yotsuba arc.

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>>161713848
It was retarded. Why the FUCK did Near have L's fortune IN CASH in his neet cave?

>>161714116
What part of "backup plan" didn't you get? I can assure you every undealable assault to the SPK might have been greatly aided by the release of that amount of flying money, as it eventually did. It wasn't even all of L's/Wammy's fortune, just most of it.

I just wanted the bad guy to win for once

>>161714269
>bad guy

>>161714269
>> Hombre mal

>>161714269
>悪い奴

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>>161704975
I liked the anime ending a lot more desu. I wouldn't say Light got off easy at all; his death wasn't quite as pathetic, but I think they did a great job conveying his desperation once he left the warehouse. It was nice that Matsuda got a couple words in before chasing him, too.

The manga took Light's character to a logical and fitting conclusion. But I kind of like that the anime gets a bit more somber once it's obvious he's going to die. The manga felt a bit anticlimactic to me.

>>161713848
>Matsuda is a literal stand-in for Light fans, as demonstrated enough times.
I hated Light but loved Matsuda. His naivete showed just how innocent he was, and he stuck by Light no matter how many people doubted him. He was just a nice, loyal guy through and through. That's what makes it so great when he snaps at the end after being dismissed and lied to for so long.

>>161714949
Sure, it's not entirely his fault that his sleeping psycho nature was awakened by the notebook, but what I like about Death Note as a whole is that, in all occasions, it remains true to life, a raw and crude representation of reality. Human nature, like it or not is based on an endless struggle, culminating with the survival of the fittest. That's what most shonen is about. Countless lives including redeemable and innocent people died because of a weapon humans weren't supposed to wield, not unlike the atomic bomb. The author gives utmost importance to human life, to every human life lost, to the point she negated the whole concept of afterlife. In the end to Light, life completely lost meaning, they were just numbers.

He was just the final victim in a series of mass murders, and he got the worst out of all of them because he was the only one who knew he was going to die. He deserved just as much as what he caused to his victims, and died by the same fate, so why should he get a better treatment? Also, anime completely glosses most of the mental work he does, if you actually read his thoughts then you would agree his psyche became unsalvageable, if his behavior wasn't enough of a hint. No point in redeeming him, he was a victim of a sad plot, he died a sad and pitiful death, like everybody who's used a notebook and lived by a Shinigami.

tl;dr Childhood is idolizing Anime's ending, adulthood is realizing Manga makes more sense

>>161696217
I hate this ending, I feel the show handled it a bit better. The manga's ending just feels so out of character

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>>161705591
um sweaty....

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>>161705779
Anime and manga Near are way different. In the anime he's always serious and quiet. In the manga he's a bit more of an asshole but in an endearing way.

I like how he gives a cheeky smile whenever Light's about to get BTFO. It adds a lot.

>>161715922
Out of character for someone who refused to give half of his lifespan because he loved his life just that much? People will hang on to anything if they think there's a chance of living through, even though it's not in anyway logical, and especially if you're losing blood left and right and your adrenaline reaches peak levels. Light LITERALLY raises his hands when he gets the heart attack, as if he was hanging on to something. That's one hell of a visual cue.

It's like you have unrealistic standards just because some work features magic elements and quirky characters.

>>161716321
Honestly I would have liked Near if they didn't make him L but even more autistic in the anime. I still feel like they should have just ended it after L died and given an anime only "Kira wins" ending because the way they present Mello and Near in the anime just feels like a giant fucking ass pull.

>>161705216
>37 episodes is "big"

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>>161716079
>sweaty

>>161716488
L is more autistic as a whole because he doesn't trust his deductions as much as Near does, which makes him more of a sperg than L. L's enemy wasn't just Light, but the moralfagging around him that prevented him from finding out vital details (especially after they seized the Death Note), that might have pushed him to play his cards more safely. Putting breaks to an autist and generating more doubts is hardly ever a good thing if he's good at what he does. Imagine Watson moralfagging everytime Holmes went into grey areas and him listening. That's what L eventually did and he lost. Near made clear to his whole team he wouldn't have any of that crap, but his lack of genuine doubts and overconfidence by replacing a fake notebook almost cost his life.

Mello is basically just the unpredictable "no bounds" nature and grey area side of L upped to 11. He can work out deductions, but he's better fit for things that requires social skills and interacting with others, in order to achieve info you wouldn't by normal means, in a way he sort of beats L on this game, since most of his cases were managed from his room. Light was definitely more afraid of Mello than he was of Near, because of his wildcard nature.

L/Near/Mello all operated on an exact balance, or skill distribution, and Near+Mello was indeed the perfect combination to surpass both L and Light, which were excellent all rounders, but ultimately just that.

>>161713302
that's the worst fucking manga scan text i have ever seen

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>>161716556
I think he's referring to its popularity, not its length.

But I will be the first to congratulate you on watching anime longer than 37 episodes! Wow!

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>>161694307
The concept of Kira alone is a fundamentally good idea, but the problem is who actually gets to make the decision of who lives and dies

>>161699768
To appeal to the it's intended audience.

>>161716321
This. Most of the hatred for Near comes from the anime where they wanted him to be L 2.0. In the manga he feels much more like his own character.

>>161717488
L's other problem was that he allowed himself to doubt that Light was Kira. Those doubts created the opening for Light to make the fake rules and kill him. Once Near zeroed in on Light, he never once wavered in his certainty of Light's guilt

>>161719120
He still wasn't entertaining as L. Near is Near, regardless of medium. I hated him while reading the manga before watching the anime.

>>161708937
What is a man?

>>161719612
L's entertainment factor is derived from his interactions with the main cast. Near doesn't get this benefit because he was smart enough to not show his face to Kira.

>>161701298
good summation of the series

>>161694307
>killing criminals instead of CEOs or world leaders

Guy was such a fucking virgin loser. He could have started a genuine revolution instead of just lashing out at people who are already at the bottom rung of society.

>>161705214

This.

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I never understood how light would write deaths for weeks ahead of time on plenty of pages, but he always had unlimited pages in the notebook.

>>161721587
This. L's downfall ultimately came about because he got too close to Light. Near didn't make the same mistake so Light couldn't plan against him.

>>161722202
>killing CEOs
>who are basically well paid employees
im not a gommunist cuz i have an IQ in the triple digits but wouldn't it be a better plan if Akira wanted to start a revolution to kill the financiers who actually run things?

>>161699421
>>161699534

also, someone would have eventually clued in that the murders centered around a) japanese criminals, and b) japanese criminals within a certain circumference. not that necessarily would ahve baited him out, but the heat would have been on eventually, no?

it's honestly shocking he didn't think to extend the deaths to beyond japanese borders. i guess the whole idea of hubris which drove him kept him from doing so (re: the foundation of cult and worship surrounding his actions, and his being a god), but it seems v short sighted to me, for someone of soooo much intellect.

like, i'm sure he played age of empires, or risk, or whatever the japanese equivalent was. you can build a main army, but you have to diversify bruv

>>161722531
A rule says the note never runs out of pages. Yes it's bullshit. I assume some pages just disappear and more appear at the end.

>>161705746

>dat texture on mello's vest

damn i had forgotten how fucking *good* the mangaka is

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>watches thousands of hours of tv footage
>footage contains hundreds of kira worshippers
>sees Mikami on tv footage saying basic kira worshipper shit
>yep thats x-kira

This was not a deduction, but an extremely unlikely guess forced by the writer. Total horse shit.

>>161722202
That's an American solution. I don't think Japan's sick with capitalism like the US.

>>161723664
I'm reading the manga specifically because people have said it makes a lot more sense there. Haven't gotten to that point yet though, so I can't say.

So if any other Shinigami than one like Ryuk or Rem dropped their book, would they hang around any human who used it once till they died or just kill them after realising they are not going to use it again and that Shinigami would be stuck on Earth a long time? Cause Ryuk killed Light after realising he wasn't a source of entertainment anymore and Rem was in love with Misa which is why she wouldn't have killed her in any situation, but what would a Shinigami who didn't care about their human be obliged to do?

>>161694307
>kill everyone who is "bad"
>never address the environmental conditions by which "bad people" occur

yeah its just a fun ridiculous manga when it comes down to it
the art was good

After L's death Light was just presented as incompetent and everybody else whether his own allies or Near's group perceived him as such, with most of the former group not even trusting him anymore. It was inevitable that he'd get busted either way but all these odds against him and Light never really equalizing the situation made the series lose a lot of tension that it had against L where both sides were more or less equal.

>Netflix Light and Misa literally had sex while writing names in the note
Can't make this shit up.

>>161705448
I've watched both and theyre both about the same not great but better than average, it must be the introductory anime for a lot of people here considering the amount of praise the original gets

>>161705748
Not that anon, but I was on the fence about Kaiji for like a week, however when you said it's done by the same composer in particular I had to give it a go. Watching it right now, thanks.

>>161723664
>>161724903
I'm pretty sure the reason there was that Mikami always ALWAYS appeared in every single talk show about Kira and he'd always make comments in every single one so he stuck out.

>>161726869
Why would he assume Light would choose such a high profile person to be Kira rather than someone he can order around, he didn't know Kira wasnt telling Mikami who to kill I think so he had no reason to think Mikami was x kira anymore than some weak willed Kira worshipper.

>gets easily baited by someone on tv calling him not good guy
>i-it's gonna be tanoshi
>have a weapon to kill anyone anonymously
>still get caught
>criminals die from heart attack a lot recently
>IT'S CERTAINLY MUST BE WORK OF A PERSON EVEN IF PEOPLE DIE BY SUPERNATURAL CAUSE NO ONE EVEN KNOWS ABOUT
The series is retarded in general, the guy who wrote it is such an edgelord,

>>161726990
Just provided the explanation, which honestly I'll admit always felt a bit flimsy. It's not really deduction so much as Near profiling the X Kira's personality, and somehow by some miracle Near thought Mikami fit the bill.

>>161713446
That's only muslims, christians, and everyone who believes in an afterlife though, isn't it? Did kamikaze have such a narative? Do the people who do sudoku do? Sometimes the shame, suffering, and social pressure are enough to make death tempting. Even if there are no perspectives of an afterlife.

My main problem with Near is how BBC Sherlock his deductions are, at least in the anime. So many things he says seem to have no reasoning or the reason is kinda handwavy.

>>161727271
Agreed, Near is much like Netflix's L in that respect.

>>161727271
>deductions
You mean inductions.

>>161725683
Ryuk is a special case wherein he secured a second death note and then threw that one to earth. If another Shinigami dropped a death note to earth somehow, that'd probably be their only one, so since the note becomes the property of the human world I guess the rules mean they'd have to wait on their human to give it up or die.

>>161727271
He already knew everything L knew, it only took a small step

I liked L and Light and think they should have fucked, but Near and Mello were shit.

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What are the candidates for the next Death Note or Code Geass etc other than Neverland?

>>161727114
>>161726869
Nope. Here's the actual deduction from the manga:

>I btfo Light with the fake rule business and had a talk with Aizawa
>since he, Mogi and Ide are now intent on keeping an eye on Light and Misa it's unlikely they would make sudden moves and continue the killings
>a new note user is chosen presumably from Kira's kingdom, because it's the only public place with connections to Kira, everyone inside there was a legit suspect, including Teru Mikami who was one of the partecipants
>some day later, Demegawa kicks the bucket
>another four days in the future Mikami goes to the show again out in the blue makes the "makes us hear your voice" talk
>this Mikami guy made a couple of appearances alongside Takada in talk shows, enough to form some kind of acquaintance and friendship, and his preach about society reminded me of the way Kira thinks
>yet another 4 days later Takada is chosen as the new Kira spokesperson, what are the odds
>as it turns out that "your voice" talk was him asking approval from Kira, which of course couldn't respond

If you want to read it, it's on the end of chapter 91.

>>161728356
No he didn't, a major plot point is that Near started his work from a total lack of documentation. In fact, he didn't even know the second L actually ever saw the first, he thought the Japanese police just embarrassingly arranged the fake L stuff on their own after they stopped hearing from him. It's only after Mr. Yagami dies, and Mello/Aizawa talk face to face with Near that things start coming together.

>>161694307
I wasn't, guy is a complete fucking hypocrite and should have done more research on criminal psychology before he enacted his plan.

All available research has demonstrated unfailingly that death and other such severe punishments as a deterrent to crime simply does not work. Hell they used to do public executions centuries ago because they thought the same way he did, that people would be deterred from committing crimes if they clearly saw that criminals will be killed. This did not work at all, you can murder as many criminals as you want but it will have no noticeable long term effect on crime rates at all. Criminals commit crimes because they lack the ability to control themselves and consider that they will be punished for their specific crime, making the punishment more visible does not change this as has been very clearly proven by numerous experiments.

>>161729222
To be fair, knowing you're going to be punished by people isn't the same as knowing you're going to be killed by some weird invisible force. I can see the Death Note lowering crime rates for a few years before the novelty fades.

>>161729222
based trips of truth

>>161694307
>only punish people who are either innocent or already getting punished
>starts a totalitarian government
More like Uberscheiße

>>161729269
This, until people realize you only die if you appear on tv or on an article on the internet. Light was never omniscient. He should just focus on white collar crimes and shit like that. Common crimes would just keep happening. If the guy is never caught than he`ll never die.

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>>161728378
My friend of dark skin color and superior taste.

>>161729478
Exactly. The Death Note had great potential to change the world if only by manipulating the top dogs. Light took the shittiest approach possible

>>161696628
I wouldn't exactly call Stalin a hero any more than I would call Hitler a hero.
And what are you talking about, saying they cheated? Light literally murdered people using a magical notebook and by seeing their names and faces in the newspaper or on the news. Do you think that's fair? Imagine you just randomly die because some faggot in Japan saw your Facebook profile and decided to write your name in a Death Note. How is this not cheating?

You do know that light lowered the crime rate down to like 70%? Also many wars were stopped and slowly through fear things became more peaceful.

Also why don't people accept matsudas theory? It would alleviate the ONE NIGHT nonsense

>>161730366
>light lowered the crime rate down to like 70%
Kira's murders doesn't count as crime now?

>>161730366
>light lowered the crime rate down to like 70%
that's unrealistic though
or it wouldn't last long since people would get used to kira

>>161730366
No, he lowered it BY 70%. And once Light died, it jumped right back up.

>>161730782
They wouldn't have if he'd won. From his perspective they weren't crimes just executions.

>>161705214
>this one just felt like the author wanted to force you to think of light as an evil guy
what, unlike in the anime where his eyes glow red and he laughs manically?

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>>161730875
Then the crime didn't decrease, he just changed the definition of crime. Wow what a hero.

>>161730366
1. That was always silly to me as all evidence suggests that while there would be a temporary lowering of crime rates it wouldn't be by such a large percentage under any circumstance. Lowering the crime rate by 70 percent is utterly ridiculous from a purely logical perspective if you understand the psychology behind crime and why people commit crimes.
2. Even if we ignore that and say that it did happen, emphasis on the fact that I said "temporary". According to prevailing research that drop in crime rates would last a year or two at the absolute most, after which crime rates would begin to rise again and quickly return to the same rates as before once the shock period wore off. What's more, based on research on how fear based deterrents and crime works, the crime rate has a good chance of actually increasing in the long run even while Light is actively killing criminals due to the environment of fear and desensitization to death and amorality that his public killings were creating.

Ultimately Light would have ended up increasing the crime rate, in all likelihood by an exponential factor as people began to kill and commit other crimes freely under the belief that it was fine as long as they avoided being noticed (light's own actions removing the moral aspect as killing is now okay and the norm in society for punishing perceived wrongs).

>>161731080
good points

>>161730366
I could probably do the same if I had the power to halve humanity. Criminals are humans too. What light is doing is much like bombing israel with 700 tsar bombas then say you resolved the israeli palestinian conflict. True, but at what cost.

>>161694307
Light was a fucking moron, if he had just kept lowkey no one could have ever found him. It was an alright thriller though.

>>161731386
If Light kept it lowkey then no one would know a Higher Power was passing Judgement on the Wicked. So it'd be shitty isekai edgelord wish fulfillment garbage.

>>161731443
I didn't mean the killing, but purposefully taking up a battle with L or anyone else. If he didn't kill the criminal acting as L on TV, how would they know in which region he was? Or even which country? He could keep killing through heart attacks, but doing it while not giving any indication about his whereabouts or person.

>>161731584
Pride is a hell of a drug.

https://www.gwern.net/Death%20Note%20Anonymity
You niggers all need to read this. Killing Lind L. Taylor is NOT Light's biggest mistake.

And yes, Mistake 1 in link related misses the point of Light's motivations. Just read the parts about anonymity and information bits.

Nobody here seems to consider that Light was 17 when he got the notebook. He was still pretty much a kid in terms of his worldview and self-awareness. And after killing people for years on end, it's not like he's going to grow up and have a change of heart. It makes sense that he's kind of retarded for a genius.

>>161710506
Somebody missed the moral of the story.

>>161699828
Yeah but this is Nigger L. This actually makes perfect sense.

>>161731774
this is all nothing compared to the mistake L did by revealing L didn't actually die, just to mock Kira

Light should have won. Not because he was "right" or whatever, but solely so that we could see his "perfect" world. I would have loved to see his perfect world collapse due to him dying and choosing an incompetent heir.

>>161732358
>his perfect world collapse due to him dying and choosing an incompetent heir
But that's exactly what happened.

>>161732358
Rather than that, I'd rather just see Light meet someone whose moral compass is so much more well-developed and nuanced in a way that Light just cannot comprehend and see how he reacts to that.

>>161730977
Execution / capital punishment is legal in the USA and Japan.
If Kira wins and becomes "the law", then how is him executing criminals any different than the US or Japanese government executing criminals?

Something I really appreciated on a re-read after watching that shitty Netflix version. Light took it really hard when he committed murder for the first time. We don't really get to see it but he mentioned barely getting any sleep and losing 10 kg in just a few days. Comparing Light from back then(the very first chapter I think) with Light later on and Light post-memory loss was really interesting.

I was okay with either Light or L winning. I loved them both. As Light himself said, the winner would become "right" and "just". What pissed me off was neither of them won. If, with L's death, Light had managed to create a mostly crime free world, that would've been a satisfying end. If L had defeated Light, that too would be satisfying. But neither happened.

If they really wanted Light to lose, instead of some random shits like Near and Mellow, I'd prefer to see him lose to "evil". Not police. He makes a mostly crime free world, and there comes some Makishima-like evil genius that wants to beat the "righteous" God. That would've been fun. In this way, bot Light would've won, and the ending would've gotten rid of his despite his "victory", which would be a really satisfying end.

>>161732641
>how is him executing criminals any different than the US or Japanese government executing criminals?
Because Light is not a judge and he was also executing people from countries without a death penalty. He was also killing people from countries with death penalty which punishment were lower than death. He also killed people without any kind of fair trial.

>>161706633
Kek

>>161731386
he has his ego and pride to think about. also without haxoring L would have never found him. I think kira wanted this fight
>>161729222
while true, there still are people who are to mental to be fixed (like the guys on death row that eat their friend,etc) also its going bit into the superman and how much good punching does without accounting for social issues that lead to crime.
>>161694307
I was rooting for him too. like watching icarus fly too close to the sun

>>161730977
Well, innocent people were safer. Only criminals got punished. That's the main effect. Innocent people were 70% more safer because of Light.

>>161731443
>isekai

do you even know what that word means?

>>161732236
Looks like a mistake but actually doesn't matter. L would need to tell the police he is alive and Light would have known because he has access to police's info

>>161732722
That would actually improve a lot the second season

>>161732850
>Because Light is not a judge
good point. He did not even review evidence.
>he was also executing people from countries without a death penalty. He was also killing people from countries with death penalty which punishment were lower than death.
irrelevant. by becoming the law he has overpowered them and taken their sovereignty in that aspect. Its the old "to whom does superman answer" . They could have blocked him by hiding all the criminal info, it would open a door for corruption but it would also force kira to make a choice between accepting their choice or doing things that are far beyond what he claimed to be his morals
>He also killed people without any kind of fair trial.
They got a trail in their own countries by their own systems. They defiantly got them at least until his final stages of madness but im not sure after that.

>>161733331
>L would need to tell the police he is alive and Light would have known because he has access to police's info
so by holding off he could have confirmed faster that kira has accesses to that info

>>161732722
I guess we are meant to see it as L striking from the grave. after all once kira ages and dies, what then? Who would be pure enough to be kira 2.0 and how would he keep the system going? L's legacy lead to victory
>He makes a mostly crime free world, and there comes some Makishima-like evil genius that wants to beat the "righteous" God. That would've been fun. In this way, bot Light would've won, and the ending would've gotten rid of his despite his "victory", which would be a really satisfying end.
I like it. for some reason made me think of megazone 23

Kira was right. He was the savior for earth and an autistic kid and his angry chocolate addict friend ruined it.

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>>161705404
>>161705214
I used to think that the anime ending was fanservice and the one from the manga was the true thing.

but upon re-reading the manga now, I feel like if the anime wasn't over dramatized, it would actually be better. the thing is: I don't see Light as the man who fears death. he constantly gets himself into dangerous situations and manages to perfectly keep his cool.
I can accept him acting spastic because he's found been and lost. but I don't see why he would freak out so much like that.

>unironically
Stop this fucking meme.

>>161709184
It's not fear; it's skepticism. It's not like any dead shinigami came back and told him what it was like. There's a lot Ryuk doesn't know.

>>161705448
what is strange about it? movie plot has all the beats of a generic US movie, of course they will like the same shit they have been fed all their lives

>>161734164
Ironically I won't.

So when will the mangaka of Death Note put out another good seinen series?

Their recent work Platinum End is a generic piece of shit.

>>161699768
Post GOT Television

>>161734697
They've never put out a good work besides Death Note.

>>161734697
never, this was their one book

>>161734767
Bakuman was good

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>>161734796
No, it wasn't. It just had a few almost okay doujins.

>>161734796
The ending conpletely ruined it.

>>161733847
Light specifically knew he wouldn't be killed there because he wrote the addict's death in a way that wouldn't kill anyone else

>>161734697
>seinen
It's shonen though. Seinen is more adult-oriented, like One Punch Man.

>>161705484
I unironically really liked the footwashing bit

>>161694307
Oh God I hated this guy, L's death pissed me off so much I can't rewatch this scene even to this day.

>>161720220
A miserable little pile of secrets.

>>161694307
I was rooting for him until L died. Because after that he went overboard.

Before, he was alright.

>>161725683
He killed Light because he turned to him for help.

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>>161736241
Me too. It was comfy.

Also while rewatching the scene I noticed pic related. Made me chuckle a bit.

When did light come back into ownership of a note?

When soichiro dies he isnt an owner, he just has it strapped to his chest, but at the end mikami sees him as the owner so doesnt kill him

The series should have ended after light killed L, with him reigning over the world as this brutal god. But that would be too controversial for a manga for kids so they couldn't do that.

It didn't make sense thematically for the story to continue after L died. The whole point of this story wasn't about the death note or the morality, it was about the intellectual fight between Light and L. Why the fuck did it keep going after that ended? Just retarded.

>>161739673
>when Soichiro dies

Exactly. The first living being who touches a rogue notebook becomes its owner, see Higuchi's death.

>>161739982
The fight never stopped, it just moved on to L's "heirs". If they also lost, then we would have had a winner.

>>161740263
>The fight never stopped, it just moved on to L's "heirs". If they also lost, then we would have had a winner.
Yeah L's heirs that the authors pulled out of their buttholes. If Light was written to beat his heirs we would not have a winner, because the author would pull out new enemies out of their buttholes. Bottom line is their publisher/editor was NEVER going to allow a serial killer to win in a children's manga. It could have resulted in blowback for the manga industry from the government and parent organizations. This is the problem with series aimed at kids.

L's heirs were not part of the main theme or there to make the story better, they existed because Light HAD to lose.

>>161740263
but then it was just by chance that he became owner, what if matsuda had touched it beforehand?

>>161740886
No, you have to be the first to physically touch the notebook after the previous owner dies.

>>161708030
Agree.
If only they knew what else we expected to be shit and make fun of it instead of making it shit...

Tfw Rem never wrote L's name and he just died of an aggresive case of diabetus.

>>161734697
Death note ran on Shonen Jump.

>>161728461
Is this any good?

The art doesnt seem too unique to compensate for its ugliness

>>161725683
Rules XVI
1. The god of death must at least own one Death Note. That Death Note must never be lent to or written on by a human.

XLIII
If a Death Note is owned in the human world against the god of death's will, that god of death is permitted to stay in the human world in order to retrieve it.

XLIV
If the Death Note that the god of death owns is taken away by being cheated by other gods of death and so forth, it can only be retrieved from the god of death who possesses it at the time. If there is no god of death, but a human possessing it, the only way that the god of death can retrieve it will be to first touch the Death Note and become the god of death that haunts that human. Then wait until that human dies to take it away before any other human touches it, or whenever the human shows a will to let go of it.

XLVI
There are laws in the world of gods of death. If a god of death should break the law, there are 9 levels of severity starting at Level 8 and going up to Level 1 plus the Extreme Level. For severity levels above 3 the god of death will be killed after being punished.
For example, killing a human without using the Death Note is considered as the Extreme Level.

After a god of death has brought the Death Note to the human world and given its ownership to a human, that god of death has the right to kill the human using his/her own Death Note for reasons such as disliking the owner.

>>161725683
>>161746141
LXIV
The following situations are the cases where a god of death that has brought the Death Note into the human world is allowed to return to the world of gods of death:

1. When the god of death has seen the end of the first owner of the Death Note brought into the human world and has written that human's name on his/her own Death Note.

2. When the Death Note which has been brought in is destroyed, like burned, and cannot be used by humans anymore.

3. If nobody claims the ownership of the Death Note, and it is unnecessary to haunt anyone.

4. If, for any reason, the god of death possessing the Death Note has been replaced by another god of death.

5. When the god of death loses track of the Death Note which he/she possesses, cannot identify which human is owning the Death Note, or cannot locate where the owner is, and therefore needs to find such information through the hole in the world of gods of death.

Even in the situations 2, 3, and 4 above, gods of death are obliged to confirm the death of the first owner and write down that humans name in his/her Death Note even when he/she is in the world of gods of death.

tl;dr: First of all, a Shinigami is supposed to keep one book on them at all times, and they should only be dropping any extra books they own to the human world.

Once a human gets the book, the Shinigami is obligated to follow that human around, and can kill the human owner at any time they want. The Shinigami must write down the original human owner's name and confirm their death before returning to the Shinigami world barring any exceptional circumstances, but the first human owner's name has to go into a notebook regardless of the time they return to the Shinigami world.

>>161746383
XXXIV
The owner of the Death Note cannot be killed by a god of death who is living in the world of the gods of death.
Also, a god of death who comes to the human world, in the objective to kill the owner of the Death Note, will not be able to do so.
Only a god of death that has passed on their Death Note to a human is able to kill the owner of the Death Note.

And if that Shinigami fucked up and somehow lost their only book to the human world, they can only wait around until the human owner dies. Theoretically, they might be able to find another Shinigami and borrow their death note to kill the human owner, but only the Shinigami haunting the human can kill the human death note owner.

In other words, Rem could never have killed Light with her own notebook.

>>161705748
Kaiji literally makes you sweat.

>>161728378
you know what's up

>>161746141
>>161746383
>>161746492
Where are these from?

>>161746907
Volume 13, which is basically a databook on Death Note.

lol, I can't believe this thread is still up. I was here last night.

>>161705447

>No court will...
Keep in mind this takes place in Japan, where they have extraordinarily high conviction rates. If you go to trial in Japan, it is a foregone conclusion that you will also be going to jail.

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>>161717379
>not recognizing the meme within the meme

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>>161705591
Nah

>>161746492
I'm lost, why couldn't Rem kill Light at any given point once L found out about the notebook? Light was the owner, and Rem the shinigami following him, remember they switched them around? Or maybe you're referring to Rem's original menacing words?

>>161747001
All of these rules were first printed on tankobons in their respective chapters though, Volume 13 only lists them all in a comfortable fashion.

>>161748611
O MY CONVERSATION PREDICTION

>>161748781
If I recall, Rem had a connection to Mikasa, or, Misa, or whatever

If Light was caught, Misa would be caught as well, and likely sentenced to death. I recall that Rem killed L, violated the rules, and was turned to dust because of it

It's been fucking forever since I watched DN

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>Remember Death Note being kino
>After watching the film, decide to rewatch
>The dialogue is painfully bad, second half is unwatchable trash

>>161749052
the second half has always been unwatchable trash. mellow was alright

>>161748781
>I'm lost, why couldn't Rem kill Light at any given point once L found out about the notebook?

Depending if I misinterpreted that one rule or not, "Only a god of death that has passed on their Death Note to a human is able to kill the owner of the Death Note. "

I interpreted that as "Only the Shinigami that originally owned the notebook can kill the human owner", but it's possible it means "Only Shinigami that have lent a notebook to a human can kill human owners".