Why does this show make some people mad?

>>161675673
Ikuhara is a little too complex for some to comprehend.

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>>161675673
It was literally too deep for them.

2fabulous4max

>>161675774
Are those lewd photographs on the wall of Iku-chan in a dress?

DUDE
INCEST
LMAO

>>161675817
Somebody please ENHANCE!

>>161675774
But Utena doesn't attract the same hate.

>>161675728
>>161675774
Stop deluding yourselves, making stories incoherent doesn't make them deep or complex, it's just bad writing.
I will admit he write more or less original stories, but I feel his stories are just going for the shock value.

>>161676358
Probably because utena was not trying to go for the moe fanbase.

>>161676791
You what

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>>161675673

Because so much design work was wasted on a plot that was confusing as fuck.

>>161675728
>>161675774
Correct
>>161676791
Incorrect

>>161677903
>penguindrum
>confusing

What was Sanetoshi's endgame, again?

Insect

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Oh shit it still works

>>161678254
It's funny because penguindrum itself is basically the most straightforward part of the show.

Correct me if I'm wrong but a lot of what happens is left up to one's own interpretation.
Like why they got into the situation where they needed to share their blessings, how and where do the two supernaturals come from or why does "hayaku bestubusunai to" get her own penguin when the others got them from the ghost.

>>161675673
I don't know but I love it. This girl is cool.

The ending (COALTAR version) is one of the best anime op-ed. Godtier shugazi, godtier vocals fitting the song very well.
Rock over Japan song is top tier too, this anime has comfy songs.

>>161678414
I thought it was straight-forward too. But I realize my IQ is too high for anime.

I think people just get confused by Ikuhara's presentation of the story, it's actually very very simple, what you see is what you get, people say it's symbolism and what not, yes, sure they are symbolism and mean something, but what you see is what is actually happening in the world of Ikuhara's works.

Yes, Akio really goes out at night jumping to the hood of a car and doing a sexy pose, Utena did get stabbed by swords at the end, the penguins are real doing real things, unwanted children literally get the grinder, lesbian bears are real.

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>>161677903
I'm pretty sure that the two brothers disappeared at the end. Where & when exactly did the four of them got together again?

>>161676791
M8, I will grant that calling it "penguindrum" was dumb, but calling it "Destinyapplered circle" would give it away.

>>161679044
They didn't disappear. They just removed themselves from Himari's memories.

>>161679044
>Where & when exactly did the four of them got together again?

Literally running together as they talk about the apple at the end.
They live but as something supernatural.
Basically, think of the penguindrum as their own diary. The girl who has it exists in the world and stuff but she's clearly a bit above it all now.

>>161679197
>They just removed themselves from Himari's memories.
Does that mean the two of them could introduce themselves again to her with a different identity so they could still be together with her? What about the stalker girl. Does she remember everything? There is this one girl too with a sickly brother. What happened to them? I know they badly need the penguindrum too.

>>161679571
I don't remember whether they remember her.

It it to deep for us or too Japanese for us? if the later, do the nips understand it effortlessly?

>>161679228
>Literally running together as they talk about the apple at the end.
I only saw two boys talking to each other. If what you are saying it true then their memories got completely overwritten so the them before is technically dead. Also, I remember that those two boys where also there at the very start.

>>161675673
I wish I watched it when it was airing to be part of the threads, I don't know why people hate it it was a fun ride.

>>161679862
It wasn't fun. I dropped it every week.

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>>161679819
Yes, those two boys are them. It's why you even get them in the send-off illustration.

Utenafags were mad because it turned out to be inferior to Utena in almost every single aspect while exposing Ikuhara's flaws as a standalone writer despite all the hype.
Everyone else was mad because it still managed to be better than their favorite 2011 anime.

>>161680044
>Everyone else was mad because it still managed to be better than their favorite 2011 anime.

2011 had almost no good anime to speak of. It was this, Madoka and maybe a show or two at best.

>>161675673
Because Shouma never fucked a burning Ringo.

Didn't make me mad, just disappointed me.

>>161680743
>just disappointed me.
What about? I'm confused about the 2deep4me stuff but I like the raw story. In fact, I like a continuation of this or at least a glimpse of how are all of them are doing after the events. The ending pretty much left everything to audience interpretation. If that is reason for being disappointed, I can understand that.

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>>161680365
I'll never be ok with this.

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What the fuck, 2011 was one of the best anime years ever.

Usagi Drop
K-On movie
Nichijou
Madoka
Yuru Yuri
Hanasaku Iroha
Mawaru Penguindrum
Ben-to
Ikoku Meiro
Tamayura

to mention only a few.

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>>161681314
Why did you remind me?

>>161681314
>Hanasaku Iroha
>Ben-to
>Usagi Drop

All pedo shit. Get out of here.

>>161680090
>>161681314
>Madoka
>good
It's time to stop pretending

I hate most of the characters I think

>>161681314
>pedoshit
>cgdct
>SoL
Get out, betafag.

>>161682441
>>161681903
>>>/r/eddit

>>161682483
>>>/j/ail

What the hell was the penguindrum anyways

>>161683488
Me

>>161675673
Who does it trigger?

>>161676791
you are dumb

>>161675673
it was confusing for no reason

>>161675673
I wasn't even mad. The show was boring, the only character I still remember was Himari and the penguins, and that's about it. Still better than Yuri Kuma, but that's not saying much

>confusing
it was LITERALLY utena for brainlets, come on.

>>161686702
If you think this you didn't understand either of them.

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>>161675817
>>161675879
I don't see anything

>>161676358
Utena is dismissed as "that show about fencing dykes", so people don't watch it. The primary romance in Penguindrum is straight (or non-existent, depending how you look at it), so it attracts a more mainstream audience. More people were willing to give it a chance, and more people have seen it in general.

>>161680912
All Ikuhara anime have endings open to interpretation except the parts of Sailor Moon that he directed. Anyone expecting sequels won't get them.

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>>161687381
>I don't see anything
You erased it. Well, there is nothing that can be done anyway to enhance it.
>>161675879
>Somebody please ENHANCE!
There is not much pixel in it, no matter what you do. Or I just don't have the skill to do it.

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>>161675673

>>161682504
How is it possible to be this retarded?

>>161675673
It has a very masturbatory style of direction, similar to but not quite as excessive as what you find in some of Shinbo's, coupled with a narrative that hinges on metaphor and some foreknowledge to be interesting, you get something that people will call pretentious, even if it is fairy straightforward if you apply yourself.

>>161678278
His purported mission was to take upon himself the sins of the world, and he claimed he could transfer to his followers spiritual power and take away their sins. He also saw dark conspiracies everywhere promulgated by Jews, Freemasons, the Dutch, the British Royal Family, and rival Japanese religions. Initially, the Japanese police reported the attack as the cult's way of hastening an apocalypse. The prosecution said that it was an attempt to bring down the government and install Asahara as the "emperor" of Japan.

>>161677903
At least it had a plot, unlike Utena

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>>161680044
>inferior to Utena in almost every single aspect

=Plot=
>Utena: nearly nonexistent
>Penguindrum: solid

=Characters=
>Utena: horrible pieces of poop
>Penguindrum: cool and likable

=Pacing=
>Utena: complete and utter shit, 80% of episodes were useless and unfunny fillers
>Penguindrum: nearly literal perfection, almost every episode was useful for the plot

=Visuals=
>Utena: cool style, but drawn with ass, inconsistent design, QUALITY in every single screenshot
>Penguindrum: no problems at all

sure thing

>>161694012
It's okay to admit utena was 2deep4u anon

>>161694591
Even if it was, not a single one of my points is disproved.

>>161675728
>>161675774
>I'm an intellectual

>>161695120
They were wrong to begin with, no debunking needed

>>161695159
>no debunking needed
Would you mind telling us what is the plot then. I'm not that anon but I'm interested in knowing what the plot of Utena is because than anon said that is was practically non-existent. Also, what was he talking about 80% fillers? That sounds interesting to me.

>>161675774
>too deep
>literally convoluted nonsense most of the time
>"deep"

>>161675673
>people get mad about SEIZON SENRYAKU
But why?
>>161675728
>>161675774
>"too deep"
>implying the show was even the tiniest bit complex
A fucking fetus could understand this show. You're giving it way too much credit.

>>161697564
Ah yes, one of those "i don't get it therefore it's convoluted nonscense" folks.

>>161698497
Wall-l-l-l-l is still my ringtone.

>>161676358
Utena was actually good.

>>161678567
>forgetting about the main appeal of the series
Etsuko Yakushimaru is the reason I watched it in the first place. Granted the Penguindrum version isn't quite as good as the album version, but Yakushimaru's soft voice is so wonderful.
http://openings.moe/?video=Opening1-MawaruPenguindrum

>>161678279
>>161678315
>tripfags

>>161676791
>incoherent
see this is why people call you retarded: because you've got the reading comprehension of an addled learning disabled elementary schooler. There was nothing even remotely complicated about the story, it just happened to use symbolism in a way that's a little more crowded than you'd expect from a short show.

Does it actually make anyone mad?

>>161681903
How are HanaIro and Ben-to pedoshit? Did you even watch the series?

it's been years since I've watched penguindrum but I'm pretty sure it wasn't 3deep5me. it's just 1 big metaphor/symbol which the story evolves around. correct me if I'm wrong.
probably plebs didn't like the story telling and got mad bc it's not
>muh shounen

>>161701300
No

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>>161675673
The never understood that himari is miracle of the universe.

>>161696126
Utena is a 39 episodes anime. It is composed by three 13 episodes arcs, each of which is composed by roughly 10 filler episodes that add absolutely nothing to the plot nor to the characters, and some of them are almost physically painful to watch (especially the ones revolving around Nanami, the worst female character ever conceived by a human mind), and 3 final episodes of actual plot.

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>>161675774

>>161676791
>Stop deluding yourselves, making stories incoherent doesn't make them deep or complex

Creating a story requires less effort than creating that same story and managing the exposition in such a way for the pieces fit themselves together later on and for it to be on the viewer's side to put them together. How can you think that's "bad writing" when it objectively requires more effort and skill?

>>161703187
What was the purpose of this sequence?

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>>161703831
>Nanami, the worst female character ever conceived by a human mind
Everyone point at this namefag and laugh.

why are people still replying to that namequeer, haven't you filtered it yet

>>161675673
Some people are just spoiled and if they fail at something will rather blame the fault on others. For them it's always the test that doesn't make sense and they can't comprehend that it might be them just not putting in any effort.

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>>161675673
>>161675728
>>161675774
Honestly if one is familiar with at least of modicum of art film directors like Lynch and such, Ikuhara's stuff isn't really that hard to get. And even then he knows how to make every show he creates a fun watch.

Penguidrum is enhanced with knowing about Aum Shinrikyo, Haruki Murakami's works, and Night on the Galactic Railroad, but at the heart of it all it's a heartfelt, engaging story about family. Also my OTP becomes canon at the end, which is a plus.

>>161704866
Himari x Ringo is your OTP? What about the pairing do you find appealing?

https://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=animeatt&aid=287

>Watching Utena is like climbing through a mountain of elephant crap and finding a 25-cent piece for your trouble.
>Utena is eye candy for the blind, and the candy has gone bad.
>Utena is 4 hours of crappy television, spread out and padded into the worst 14 hours of my life.
>Utena tries very hard to be artistic rather than entertaining. I'm sorry, but lots of poorly drawn arches =/ art OR entertainment.
>When I first found Utena, I had already heard many good things. Several people from the AniDB, as well as AnimeNFO, Anime-Planet, and Anime-Reactor had recommended it, and so I dived into the series with high hopes. However, after the first 15 episodes, Revolutionary Girl Utena had made me so angry and upset that I could not finish it. It had so inflamed me with dislike that I could scarcely talk of anything else (As the poor souls in AniDB IRC will testify to). Every other sentence out of my mouth was “Utena does this wrong!”, or “How can anyone like Utena!?”
>Well, thanks to a few kind (and very very patient souls), I received my answer. First, my thanks to Windmage, who spent nearly 5 hours explaining the aspects of Utena that he believe makes it great. Props also go out to DerIdiot, Rar, and Pelican, who put up with my Utena ramblings without banning me (too often).
>And now, on to the review.

>>161705101
go back there

>>161705101
>After two viewings of Utena, it remains as the worst piece of anime I ever sat through. Thanks to a horde of self-sabotage, endlessly repeated footage, music that quickly grates the nerves, characters that act either like cardboard boxes, or as if they were written without taking the basics of human nature into account, and a story that makes absolutely no sense until 33 episodes of filler have gone by.
>Disregarding the endless amount of repeated footage, the animation in Utena is bad. Very bad. The backgrounds in Utena appear washed out, and lack detail. Even though it seems that the animators did very little work on the backgrounds, there are very few used overall, resulting in washed out and low detail backgrounds being re-used over and over again. Still frames are used constantly, and are then re-used again and again in every episode of the arc they appear in. Endless panning shots of facial expressions that are difficult to read because the character’s eyes have such huge irises that many of their emotions fail to register. The amount of fluid movement that was not re-used can be counted on one hand. Character animation suffers from the kind of problems many TV series have when the budget runs low: It gets sloppy. Character’s faces will look completely different from scene to scene, with noses, chins, eyes and overall body structure noticeably out of place.

>>161705146
go back there

>>161705101
>Princess Tutu (10), Neon Genesis Evangelion (10), LAIN (9), Paranoia Agent (9), Mind Game (10), Fruits Basket (10), Koi Kaze (8), Angel Sanctuary (8)
>shoujo

>>161705146
>(...)
>Yet another huge problem with Utena is the way in which characters interact with each other and their environment. The way the arcs are laid out, with a specific type of duel taking place during a 10 to 12 episode segment, all of the characters, though with different motivations, eventually end up doing exactly the same thing: Ending up in the arena with Utena. No character is able to escape this fate, which is one of many examples of Utena’s poor storytelling. Many of Revolutionary Girl Utena’s 39 episodes are both boring and predictable as a result.
>Characters in Utena are nearly impossible to sympathize with, resulting in the overall emotional impact of the series being comparable to “What pair of pants should I wear today?”. One of the reasons for this is how the characters react to the situations they find themselves in. Logic and common sense frequently go flying out the window.

>>161705207
>>161705219
return

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>>161705026
Bonding over the feeling of missing someone after Kanba and Shōma's deaths, of course.

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>>161675774
What's his next project gonna be?

>>161681314
Fuck it I'm gonna name them all.
Korean Zombie Desk Car
Infinite Stratos
Hyarou Nyaro-ani!
Nichijou
Ano Hana
Steins;Gate
Madoka
Nichijou
Denpa Onna
Dog Days
Tiger and Bunny
Kaiji: S2 the one with Pachinko
Usagi Drop
Yuru Yuri
Uta no Prince
Mawaru Penguin Drum
The Idolm@ster
Blood-C
Ryo-Kyu-Bu!
Loli in France
Kamisama Dolls
Mirai Nikki
Boku wa Tomadachi ga Sukunai
Fate/Zero
Ben-To
Maji De Watashi(anime was shit but we fell in love with the VN because of it.)
Persona 4
Kyoukaisenjou no Horizon
Ika Musume S 2
Shakugan no Shana III (Final)
Working'!!
Guilty Crown

Aired during the Winter 2011/2012 season
High School DXD
Zero no Tsukaima F
Daily Life of High School Boys
Nisemonogatari
Inu x Boku SS
Papa no Iukoto wo Kikinasai!
Kill Me Baby
Mouretsu Pirates
Rinne no Lagrange
Tantei Opera Milky Holmes Dai 2 Maku
Another

2012 was also pretty good with
Hyouka
Haiyore! Nyaruko-san
Acchi Kocchi
Kids on the Slope
Tsuritama
AKB0048
Space Brothers
Upotte
Sword Shit Online
Oda Nobuna no Yabou
Tari Tari
Muv-Luv Alternative: Total Eclipse
Joshiraku
Chuunibyou demo Koi ga Shitai!
Sakurasou no Pet na Kanojo
Onii-chan Dakedo Ai Sae Areba Kankeinai yo ne!
Little Busters!
Girls und Panzer
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
Teekyuu
Love Live!
GJ-bu
Tamako Market
Vived Red Operation

Denying those 2 years were God Tier is a denial of /a/ itself.

>>161703831
>tripfag doesn't get Utena
Shocking stuff.

>>161705944
Nichijou
Madoka
Usagi Drop
Penguindrum
Uchuu Kyoudai

The only good shows you listed. Everything else is forgettable seasonal trash. KyoAni shit is a great pleb filter.

>Steins;Gate
>>>r/anime

>>161706166
>newfag
Most of those anime were trash but watching it with /a/ made the great and memorable.

>>161690561
>More people have seen Utena than Penguindrum

>>161706216
>newfag
Not really.
>Most of those anime were trash
Then don't mention them.
>watching it with /a/ made the great and memorable
Form your own opinions brainlet.

>>161675673
Because pulleys.

>>161706067
>calling a namefag without a trip a tripfag
Yes, sure is shocking

>>161706868
Whatever, doesn't change my statement.

>>161675673
It didn't make me mad, but Ikuhara was a little too heavy handed on the symbolism and random abstractness.
I'd watch Utena but those character designs are fucking garbage.

What's Yuri Bears like?

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SEIZON

>>161707442
SENRYAKUUU!

>>161675673
literally just a show a for cucks

>>161707442
That is one a big mouth she have and pretty loud too.

>>161707760
He brother has a big dick so she praticed opening her mouth as wide as she can

>>161707795
ngl i cringed reading this

>>161707795
"""Brother"""

>>161706166
>nichijou
>good

I'll give you everything else

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>>161676791
What do any of his shows have to do with moe?

>>161693823
>>161694012
>>161703831
>>161703831
Why are you always such an idiot? You should fucking leave 4chan. I have never seen a single post of yours that wasn't thoughtless.

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>>161705944
>Korean Zombie Desk Car
My fucking sides god dammit

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I need to finish Penguindrum.

>>161694012
dumb papika poster

>>161711429
I still need to watch it.

>>161704866
How many people know of those directors? Give yourself credit for knowing them compared to the large amount that don't.