Best modern shonen

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why?

>>161604303
I wish this thread >>161567644 was still up, at least I've got a screencap of it, thank you.

>>161604140
Didn't Magi fall into the usual trap of going on for too long and the author losing sight of what made it enjoyable?

Chimera Ant>FMA>HxH>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Magi

HxH is the most important.
FMA is a meme and Magi fucking sucks.

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>>161604756
>I can't see deleted posts
Fuck off, newfag.

>>161607407
FMA's even worse than Magi. Baby's first 'serious' anime after moving on from Dragonball/Pokemon/Naruto or whatever the fuck your poison was.

HxH is fucking shit especially the chicken scratch Togashi calls art

>>161604140
>Not generic shit like Boku no Hero Academia.
Much better than HxH. FMA and BnHA are among the best shounen from 2000 and on.

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>>161607585
HxH has better art than Magi and FMA though.

>>161607585
>chicken scratch
I don't get this meme at all. I just caught up with the manga and aside from a rough sketch looking page of Pitou in a cave and the Koala chapter the art ranges from okay to great.

>>161607719
In, maybe, two chapters, and only if you have a very specific taste for drawing styles.

>>161607733
I'm assuming you read scans of the later releases that fixed the shittier parts.

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>>161607719
>HxH has better art than Magi and FMA though.
Sure

>>161607719
Is that page suppose to be good?

>>161607975
That indeed does look better than Magi's generic art and nonsensical composition.

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>>161607772
Hunter x Hunter hasn't had chicken scratch art for ages.

>>161607733
Only people who genuinely have no fucking clue about art think Togashi is bad at it. Even the best artists can be lazy (or physically incapable due to health) and publish a scribble on occasion, but only good comic artists have his grasp of composition and flow. His technical skill is good too, it's not like anyone has criticisms about his anatomy or perspective or anything like that. People just see low effort first drafts and think it's bad because it doesn't look like Berserk or Vagabond.

>>161604140
No one thinks Magi is good.

Nanatsu no Taizai is good.

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>>161607975
Meanwhile in FMA

>>161608222
I love how you post a page without any characters since they all suffer from fetal alcohol syndrome and look the same.

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>>161608222
and Magi

>>161607536
I know right, what's up with FMA fans thinking they're so fucking enlightened ?

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>>161608343
>HxHfag saying characters from other series look like shit
Top kek

>>161608200
When did this become a pasta?

>>161608492
>Posting a page full of characters with unique designs, both visually and ability-wise.
You're still too embarrassed to post any FMA characters I suppose?

>>161608578
>unique designs
That's one way of putting it.

>>161604140
>inspirational as fuck
>literaly shonen shit
>muh no "no boku no hero" contrarian
fag.

>What do you see as most important best shonen in manga history?
DBZ if we are talking about fight coreography, you are to broad in your question anyway, different stuff did specific changes or tweaks to the genre.

>>161608648
>DBZ
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Nice gateway series, kid.

>>161608492
these are good, distinct designs

i'd take that over sameface syndrome

>>161608718
if your read again you will notice how your meme response wont apply this time.
control yourself breh.

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>>161604140
Best one coming trough!

Mostly nostalgia because this was my first anime but fuck you it is still good.

>>161608755
One Piece>Bleach>Toriko>>HxH

>>161608795
A Western novel series is not a shounen.

>>161608807
one piece for the story
kubo had top tier designs and art at some point.

>>161608718
Not him, but DBZ has great battle coreography. The proof is that DBZ battles are little more than two guys punching each other and doesn't feel like that at all.

>>161608872
>great battle coreography.
Yep repeat frames of people punching each other and beam spam, fucking top tier.

>>161608492
What was Togashi thinking when he created these abominations? It's as if he wanted to make quirky and charming designs like in One Piece, but without actually knowing what makes them work, or maybe just half-assing it like usual. The Zodiacs were slightly better in anime, since their style was unified, but still pretty unappealing.

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>>161608356
Battle shounen have no right trying to be intelligent.

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>>161608980
>What was Togashi thinking when he created these abominations?
He probably stole some kid doodles

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>>161608200
Togashi is a hack. Fuck off.

>>161609037
>Togashi is so creatively bankrupt he steals ideas from fan letters and traces magazines
This would explain all the hiatuses.

>>161609156
He also admitted he gets all of his character names from TV shows.

>brainlets can't handle the depth of Togashi's work
pathetic.

OH MY RUBBER NEN

>>161608942
Not a DBZ battle but whatever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLSj5yBsFmc

>>161608942
it was the first to do the shit that now is common in every shounen.
if you want to be a contrarian at least educate yourself.

>>161608755
Toriko is the best picture in that pic so it's not indicative of the quality

>>161609099
You could make a chart like that about every battle shounen.
Not a fan of HxH btw.

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>>161609247
God that looks like shit

>>161604140
In my opinion, HxH. Magi is absolute crap, I don't know how I've kept up with it since chapter 1. At one point I was even reading weekly raws with forum translations, when the scans were way behind.
Wait, I just remembered. It was because of Morgiana. Those sexy legs and shapely behind on a flatchested body. Nice

>>161609324
HxHfans still think Naruto is a rip-off of it using a meme that even said that Code Geass and Eva were the same.

>>161604140
FMA is the best

HxH only had two good arcs, they were great but neither were better than FMA at its best.

Magi is garbage

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>>161609342
Why the fuck are you guys posting anime?

>>161609342
are you seriously comparing an animation made 30 years ago and saying the newer copy/paste is better?
dense, underage or stupid?
maybe everything together?

>>161609429
>not the first post from this IP
What did he mean by this?

>>161609456
HxHfag trying to move the argument away from HxH's shit character designs.

>>161609451
Not him, but this is dumbass logic. Original does not imply superior.

>>161609246
Someone post the page

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>>161609242
>i-it's 2deep4u!!!
Top kek

>>161604140
>Most important
Dragon Ball and Saint Seiya, they pretty much created fucking everything they keep copying nowadays. Hokuto no Ken was less influential than it seems, though you could say DB and SS refined its formula.

Also BNHA is good, fuck off edgy contrarian, you just like to make these threads to bash BNHA.

>>161609590
I don't even know what the fuck is happening.

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>>161609880
Such is the nature of Togashi's chicken scratch

>>161609880
It's normal, Hisoka also didn't at that point. The other guy has a clone.

>>161609829
Kinnikuman created everything DB and SS are credited with.

>>161609590
>that art
What the actual fuck

Important? Dragon Ball. Best? FMA.

Magi is pure shit and HxH has only two good arcs, and of them is slow/dull as fuck.

>>161610112
We got it the first time dude >>161609429

>>161609429
>>161610112
You're not funny. I wonder how many posts you have in this thread.

>>161610159
>>161610165
>two people have the same extremely common opinion
wow what are the odds

FMA is one of the worst manga ever made. Awful generic antagonists, mediocre designs, terrible politics, retarded humour, no thematic core. Even Dragonball is better

>>161610200
Sure anon sure.

>>161610200
Next time you should try to make your post different lad.

>>161610200
Both of those posts aren't from unique IPs yet they pretend to answer OPs question.

>>161607733
>defending shit art
i bet if togashi drew stick figures you'd still think its mona lisa. scum like you who have no standards in art should kill yourselves.

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>>161610165
>W-Why are you guys complain about my favorite shit? P-Please stop
Fuck off, faggot.

>>161610112
FMA Mangahood's story is painfully generic and predictable; there are seven enemies and the heroes gradually work there way through each at them via one on one duels. That sounds like an excuse plot to a video game.

And literally the only argument FMAfags have is that the story is over. When people comment on HxH its in regard to its themes and how it subverted expectations, in addition to the arcs of the characters involved.

>>161610210
counterpoint: FMA is one of the best manga ever made. Great, unique antagonists, memorable designs, clever politics, well-placed humor, and a strong thematic core. It's even better than Dragonball

>>161604140
>most important best

either ESL or fucking illiterate adolescent. Get off the internet, go get an education and stop making this thread.

no manga is important so go fuck yourself you fucking retard.

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I will never understand the brain problems that compel someone to make the same fucking thread over and over and over again.

Is HxHfags the worst shonen fanbase? If someone is not sucking the balls of togashi and his mediocre work, they become extraordinarily angry

>>161610462
I will never understand the brain problems that compel people to post this and consider it an argument.

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>>161609829
Kinnikuman came out years before dragon Ball and saint seiya and is more likely the real predecessor to modern Shonen although someone more versed in Japanese pop culture can correct me on that.

>>161610490
I'm not trying to make any argument you idiot. What argument does your peanut brain think that post is trying to make?

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>>161610511
>not posting the turkey

>>161610267
his post specifically doesn't defend the few examples of bad art, tho

>>161610462
>>161610588
Holy shit

>>161610473
No the hatebase is.

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>>161610473
Literal cancer. If the fans were on this level people would be quick to call out on but shitposting is okay apparently.

>>161610473
Yes. Oh, and if there's more than one person complaining about, he's automatically a samefag.

>>161610641
It's funny because all of those posts are from the same guy.

>>161610641
This.

>>161610697
Why would you bring more attention to your samefagging?

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>>161610634
I love the fucking brass balls on Togashi. I mean just imagine the look on the editors' faces when he hands over shit like this, and then says he's going on another 6 month hiatus. But he doesn't give a shit. I wish I could be in the room.

>>161610473
Case in point this guy >>161610641

>>161604991
Not sure what made it enjoyable desu when I dropped both timelines with first two episodes

>>161610473
>>161610697
See it >>161610730

>>161610634
This is how the chapters were published in Weekly Shounen Jump. For some reason they chose to publish the drafts rather than missing a deadline (or whatever their thought pattern was). The published volumes have finished pages for the most part, but the scanlations you find online will always use the shit versions. At least one volume recently still had drafts in it. I believe later printings fixed it.

None of this is an excuse. It's a fucking embarrassment. They're not afraid of taking a years-long haitus. There's no need to rush out incomplete pages.

>almost 4 hours
How is this repeat thread still up

>>161610835
>being this mad that Togashit is getting criticized

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>>161610730
You just proved his point, dumbfuck.

>>161610901
I'm not even a Togashi fan, project your asspain to a different post.

>>161610835
>>161493146 is also an exact repost of another thread, and it's been up for three fucking days. Shounenshitters don't care, and the mods aren't enforcing their "no template" rule properly at all.

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>>161610735

>>161610902
>replying twice

Mobile Suit Gundam

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>>161609246
O MY BELIEF IN GING

>>161608795
Being the only person in the world who followed that series as a kid and bought all those books, it always weirded me out it got brought over to Japan, is it anything like the books?

>>161609829
All Jump stuff is very influenced by earlier Jump stuff so by nature, you can credit a lot of ideas to just whatever came first...like Saint Seiya was just the author redoing Ring ni Kakero which was hugely popular and the only reason he got into manga was because he was so inspired by Otoko Ippiki Gaki-Daisho, the first hit in the magazine

Kinnikuman is also hugely important in being so fucking popular and doing a lot of the stuff people credit to later Jump manga but a lot of the early Jump stuff isn't well represented in English so that stuff could have even preceded it in those tropes

Also, people forget about gag manga, since a lot of that stuff is taken from earlier manga as well...like Gintama's gags are often taken from earlier manga like the humans dressed as cockroaches thing and the manga series ending suddenly and the next week starting with a new name and very cliche premise were both in the same issue of Jump in the 90's (Takeshi and Hoshin Engi)

>>161610818
To be fair, they may have a different viewpoint on the magazine thing and it happens with modern series too (just to a much lesser extent) where something like World Trigger or BnHA or Black Clover just devolves to sketches for a few pages and then it gets fixed in the volumes

The magazines are purposely made as cheaply as possible so they aren't expecting you to buy it for the high quality art and that is what the collections are for and why authors fix stuff there...the reason scanlations tend to be shittier than the actual product for modern manga is people were scanlating it as it came out, instead of waiting for the volume and then scanlating that which is the more accurate way to do it if you want to capture what the average fan of the series will experience (such as how you will have a bunch of people complaining about some inconsistency in a One Piece chapter that was in a magazine bought by 1.9 million people but then in the tankobon bought by 3 million people, that was fixed and they never necessarily even knew it was wrong)

>>161604140
Is it wrong to think FMA,HxH, and Boku no hero are pretty good, sure they have flaws, but what doesn't
FMA honestly has the best thematic message of not following anything blindly whether religion or science, which is shown through the crazed priest in the beginning and Father, the man who tried to claim godhood in the name of science

>>161610352
That's a weird simplification.

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>>161608718
Daily reminder of panelling and choreography.

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>>161616481
Toriyama is king.

>>161610518
Oh, so that's where King's muscle buster comes from.

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HxH > Magi = Nanatsu no Taizai > One Piece >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boku no Generic Academia > Shit Clover

FUCK ESCANOR

>>161604140
HxH is the best ongoing shonen by for IMO. Then it's between BNHA, NNT which I find better than One Piece. Magi was good before but now it's shit.

>>161604140
Gintama.
The fourth wall has never been broken so hard in shounen.

>>161609355
>Reading something purely because of your pedophilic tendencies
Sasuga.

>>161617537
Well he is a HxHfag

Pre-TS Magi > FMA > Post-TS Magi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> literal dogshit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HxH

It's true that HxH fanbase is shit but edgy haters are not better.

>>161617537
Whatever makes my dick happy makes me happy

>>161609456
I'm this guy >>161609314

>>161617492
What do you mean by that? As often or as hard? Because stuff like Kochikame was breaking the 4th wall to pretty great effect in the 70's and 80's and Takeshi (the series by Toriko's author) did it constantly since the author himself was a recurring character in the series.

>>161610518
That whole Gintama story about Taizo performing the Kinniku Buster was hilarious

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>>161617431
How about you quit being emo and start praising the Sun?

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>>161617431
Stay mad melfag

>>161609247
still looks better than anything in super

>>161616481
As I was looking at it, my thought towards them was "what's defense". So many mistakes from both contenders.

>>161620005
What the actual fuck is that image?

Nothing comes close to FMA. Hunter x Hunter was just kinda boring for the 20-30 episodes I watched and the manga wasn't much better.

>>161617431
Hunter x Hunter > One Piece > Boku no Hero Academia >>>> Magi > Nanatsu no Taizai

>>161616609
Honestly, I think Oda took the mantle of his master Toriyama with One Piece's fight paneling. Each panel smoothly transitions to the next, and you can feel the impact of the punches and blocks

It's no surprise he was his assistant

>>161620508
I dunno man, Oda's panels always feel cluttered to me, I like that he likes to draw a lot of littke details but it just feels very busy often.

>>161620508
Definitely not. Using that image as an example, the OP page shows literally no movement, just an immobile punch, punch back, punch back, and switches the view back and forth awkwardly.

>>161620508
>>161620655
Also,
>It's no surprise he was his assistant
He wasn't.

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>>161620655
There's movement but I see what you mean.

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>>161610588
this looks like the work of a clinical depressed person, is togashi like that or just very very lazy?

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>>161620655
yeah, but that image shouldn't define Oda's ability to do action. He does it often well, Akira was just better in his prime

>>161609342
I agree that the strategy in >>161609247 is poor, but there was also no strategy in your post at all.

>>161621099
>looks like shit
>strategy
What.

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>It's a "for it to be a classic/great it needs to be innovative/do something new" episode

I hate this meme. It's entirely possible to make great anime, manga, vidya, films, novels, whatever, that do almost nothing new and simply take existing ideas and execute on them better and be derivative. This isn't that hard to understand. Something that's exactly as good as a classic in the medium, but does what it does slightly better, is logically still superior to it because X + 1 is still greater then X.

Pic fucking related. Gash Bell does nothing super innovative or breaks the mold, but it actually delivers on every generic shonen trope it does fantastically and it works, and is IMO the best long running shonen of all time

Have you notice the only people who take time from their day to bash other shonens are HxHfags? Truly the worst fanbase

Also Togashi is a hack

>>161621174
He's a long guy

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>>161621174
>that do almost nothing new and simply take existing ideas and execute on them better and be derivative.

I agree

>>161621165
>prioritizing looks over strategy
What.

>>161621174
Innovation is generally a good thing,
Jump Shounen is absolutely not the right place to look for it though.

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>>161620316
An apex human giving a demon a casual hand chop. And enlightening some misguided manlet posters.

>>161621957
I'm not saying innovation is a bad thing, i'm saying innovation isn't a requirement for greatness

>>161621731
That's a complete non sequitur. He said "it looks like shit," and you went "I agree the strategy is poor." It doesn't matter what you prioritize, you completely changed around what was being said.

>>161620386
Too bad that's factually wrong, faggot.

>>161620155
>>161620005
Keep praising your Suncuck. Meliodas still beats that ass for 24 hours and 59 minutes.

>>161622019
Okay, but why is some random post blown up, and pasted elsewhere, and spliced weirdly on top of the edited page so that you can't actually read either version of that post, while the actual post that most of the other posts are responding to isn't even in there at all?

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>>161620508
>Honestly, I think Oda took the mantle of his master Toriyama
Nah that was Murata

>>161622441
damn, this makes me almost want to read OPM

>>161604140
fuck off magi is fucking mediocre and hxh is overrated and not modern , the true best shonen are FMA/gintama/jojo

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>>161622441
Or Nakaba

>>161622513
>gintama
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>161610641
O

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>>161622297
Sorry, for context the last update for Seven Deadly Sins was a double chapter showdown between Melodias the main character and one of the titular Seven Deadly Sins Sir Escanor.

Basically Melodias is a demon and vessel for his father the demon king, he's activated his rage form and the last time he did this he nuked a kingdom off the face of the planet. Escanor is a human enchanted with the power of sunlight and his strength increases leading up to Noon, and decreases as it draws to night.

Escanor over the course of this arc has defeated a number of high ranking demons that were previously unstoppable.

Now in the first chapter despite putting up a good effort it's clear that Melodias' one wing angel form is just too much for the solar knight, but as we're informed by Merlin, we've never seen Escanor fight at high noon since he has always won before that time.

During the thread dump melfags were jeering people rooting for Escanor. Then High Noon kicks in and Escanor unveils his strongest form known as "The One" which is some buddhist phrase that MangaStream didn't bother giving context for. He then beats Melodias with a single chop.

The picture posted is basically Escanor chopping up a melfag post while the rest of the thread is converted to the path of radiant righteousness.

>>161622288
>Keep praising your Sun
I will. Keep rooting for a guy who never learned to control his temper and needs his goddess girlfriend to bail him out of his own stupidity.

>>161622521
>that part where Galan kicked back Gideon into diane's head
I thought that part was fucking sick.

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>>161622288
And you keep worshipping your fuck up edgy manlet, that is just a liability at this point.

>>161616609
POST MORE MONTAGE

>>161620298
We're dealing with two characters who wouldn't care for defence. Vegeta's the aggressive type who'd try to kill his enemy to prove his superiority & at best dodge. Recoome was easily stronger than Vegeta & spent much of it toying with him, aware that Vegeta has no chance of victory. Defence would be at best dodging for either.

>>161622132
AssClass is an example. Very creative idea, fucking boring development.

>>161621602
Was the whole purpose of this thread to shit on this series? Aside from FMA, no shounen is really better than any other.

>>161604140
Magi isn´t good and FMA is not that great, so fuck off BNHA hater

>>161623420
I would say some are better in other areas. FMA has a better plot than HxH but I find the Characters of HxH to be better

>>161608755
Bleach, truly fell so far.

>>161622254
I thought that he meant that what matters in fights, namely the strategies, looked like shit, not the sakuga/presentation/choreography and other irrelevant things.

>>161620508
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>>161616481
>le panel meme
why there are people who care about that, toriyama panelling always looks kind of boring

>>161604140
FMA is far better than the other two.

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>>161623568
>not the sakuga/presentation/choreography
The entire reply chain was about choreography, retard. At least read the discussion you're joining before you throw in off-topic shit.

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>>161624431
>doesn't prioritize strategy
>calls others retards

>>161623497
BNHA sucks faggot

>>161624621
>implying I've said anything about that
For someone obsessed with strategy, you aren't doing a very good job of assessing your information.

>>161624746
Sorry for having overestimated you then, if you put more importance on a reply chain's subject (choreography) than on what truly matters in fights (substance).

Most important
>DBZ
Best
>FMA
and
>One Piece

>>161614506
It's not wrong to think any opinion. They're opinions. They're subjective.

>>161622297
Because it was clearly made some retarded /v/ crossboarder. Escanor is a fun character, but the "praise the sun" idiots ruin every weekly chapter thread with Escanor in it