With minimal effort, ten years ago, if you came up with the idea

>>161602780
I was too young.

>>161602780
I was too busy inventing anime itself.

I was too busy inventing time itself.

>>161602780
I was too busy inventing isekai. I could've lived like a king, but decided it would be better for the world for it not to exist.

It seems that my efforts were futile...

>>161602780
>if you came up with the idea to make a novel about heroes from other lores being partners with high school girls and guys
implying this is about it

I was too busy inventing invention itself.

For the record it is Takeuchi that made all the business decisions

>>161602780
how did you know the story of FATE itself did not come from /a/?

>>161603540
Isekai is older than 10 years tho.
Just in the older series the mc(s) generally got physically portalled/transported, rather than the dying and reincarnating that's popular now.
Also cheat/autowin items were optional rather than mandatory.

>>161602780
No one in the west would be willing to fund that idea. The Fate series is something that could have only come out of Asia.

Know what we got when we made a series about historical figures in modern times? Clone High. A Canadian cartoon that got canceled after one season due to controversy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clone_High#Controversy_and_cancellation

I was too busy being 4chan level otaku.

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>>161602780
>minimal effort

Nasuverse's lore and mechanics makes it a hard fantasy.
Also, the way Nasu spun the hero's lores and the bits of lore he manifested into NPs is pretty creative.

What sold fate was Saber's design, which was pretty unique at the time (now there are hundreds of saber clones).

Too busy figuring out how my dick worked.

>>161602780
Because hindsight is always 20/20
Pokemon with History seems obvious now that it happened, it was not so obvious back then.
Furthermore, it's not that someone did Pokemon with History, it's that someone did Pokemon with History with a very catchy and interesting setting full of charming characters. Say what you will, but Nasu's writing and ideas are what made Fate what it is today, not just Pokemon with History. Anyone can write a good concept, writing it well to the point where people latch onto it is harder.

>>161604157
What made Fate even survive to get some of the attention of the industry was its eroge features.

>the West producing a cartoon of a porn starring a genderbendered King Arthur
Fate is something that only Japan could give us.

>>161602780
Having an original idea is a small part of a successful work. Execution is everything. A well-made cliche is more enjoyable and outsells an original mess.

>>161602780
too busy inventing stand POWER

>>161604270
>>161603820
This too. Fuck Westerners and their sensibilities.

>>161602780
Regardless of what you think of F/SN writing a whole VN (and a relatively long at that) take a huge amount of effort.

>>161602780
>With minimal effort
Stopped reading there.
You have no idea about the amount of effort, time and blood and tears Nasu and Takeuchi shed to make Fate in the first place.

Why does everyone thinks that creating something is so easy? Between art, writing, engine, and what-not the amount of effort that goes into something is something well beyond the efforts of your average anon, specially considering how uneducated and lazy and your average anon is.

>>161603820
It's good the west is receding at a grassroots level, with the natives becoming less prevalent and not caring about their gay media overlords. This way the Japanese Empire can go further east next time, instead of towards China.

There are more European myths/legends that need the Japanese treatment, rather than the "everything is brown and beige, from the costumes to the people to the emotions" that we get now.

Good luck, Japan!

>>161602780
>you will never fix FSN to keep Heaven's Feel route Illya's route

>>161602780
You say minimal, but quite a lot of work was put into the original VN than most people here would be willing to do. The concept is simple, but then actually writing three separate routes with multitude of bad ends, consistent narrative foreshadowing across routes, the fucktons of music that elicited such memorable scenes, and the art to go along with it.

The idea was simple, yeah, but not something that would've been a success of they half-assed it.

>>161604456
What's preventing you from writing it yourself and releasing at at Comiket?

>>161604428
>Why does everyone thinks that creating something is so easy? Between art, writing, engine, and what-not the amount of effort that goes into something is something well beyond the efforts of your average anon, specially considering how uneducated and lazy and your average anon is.
This

>>161604431
>It's good the west is receding at a grassroots level, with the natives becoming less prevalent and not caring about their gay media overlords.
What

>>161604284
Actually, quality of the story actually very rarely has to do with success. More important is presentation/marketing. As I said above, the reason Fate sold and the reason most anime stuff sells is because of unique character designs. People look at saber and they think "I want to fuck that" so they read the story. I can think of so many anime/manga/LN/VN where this was the case. OreImo for example, only sold because Kirino and Kuroneko look really dickable.

>>161604489
>What
take your time, no time limit

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>>161604270
The funniest part is that even if the Fate idea came up today in the West, the alt-right would scream that Saber's genderbending is a SJW stand against White males. SJWs would politicize the shit out of Saber, Astolfo, Mordred, etc.

OP would never come with the "obvious" idea for the series.

>>161603820
Clone High was fucking great you mong

>>161604557
It was but you know what I meant.

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>>161604548
And then there's this faggot

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>>161604548
To go even further, if there wasn't the genderbendered characters, feminists would say that History and Fate are very patriarchal systems that never came up with female heroes.
And only self-inserting manchildren would like Fate, like the American Comics fans that jack off to the thought of ultra-muscular men fighting each other.

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Nero is best Saber.

>>161604679
>And then there's this faggot
Do you mean Gilgy or what the anon said? Because either way you're wrong, the West is having a tough time making anything because of how sensitive so many different groups are now.

>>161604708
>>161604548

Makes me think how Japanese cartoons are much more inclusive for females and LGBT, when they don't even have an active feminist movement. Also, because they don't have that movement, it just just feels natural all creation and insertion of all those characters in their stories.

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>Wow if you had came up with the concept of cockfighting with elemental animals 20 years ago you'd be super rich right now
This is how stupid you sound OP. Anyone can come up with that, very few could have came up with Pikachu. Very few would have been able to come up with Saber. Anyone can come up with a, on paper, good concept, very few can make that concept catch on and become successful.

The market is very flaky as well. You never know what can catch on nowadays, just look at Kemono Friends for example. Hell, no one ever expected anything out of Pokemon. How about Final Fantasy? Which was called, you know, Final, because it was the last game of company with one foot already on the grave? How about Gundam? Which had episodes cut because it was bombing?

Rarely a massive juggernaut franchise starts being one, they more often than not become them after many years.

>>161604905
>when they don't even have an active feminist movement.
They do have that movement. They're just too busy actually getting shit done and trying to move up the ranks. There are plenty of feminists in Japan. The majority of them are creators of art. Google Kumiko Yamada. She spoke at the U.N against banning and censoring certain Japanese media.

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>>161604905
Because that's how things should be. Just do it. By bringing attention to it you are making an issue of what not is and more often than not done for the sake of virtue signaling and "look at how progressive we are". I think the worst part of the Western industry is how they feel like they have to pander to everyone and if they don't pander to you then it's SHIT and you have to attack it until it decides to pander to you.

Meanwhile in Japan people just do whatever they want and everyone enjoys what they like and let others enjoy what they like. You are a lolicon? Then you make your lolicon content, your fellows lolicon consume it, and the people who are not lolicon don't give a shit because they are not lolicons so they go and consume what they like instead.

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>>161605003
This never ceases to be super duper cool.

>>161605093
It's cool as fuck but people also need to realize that Japan isn't their super edgy anti-SJW gamergate buddy. Plenty of progressive ideas and media come out of Japan. They're very slowly beginning to accept LGBT and men being feminine isn't looked down upon or shamed to the extremes that it is in the west. That also doesn't mean Japan is a liberal paradise so don't misinterpret this.

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>>161605093
>while you're trying to fix the rights of fictional characters, you're leaving the human rights of real women in the real world left to rot
lmao rekt
it's good to know japen is so remarkably sensible about actual politics. the west has got a bit hysterical.

>>161605221
>LGBT and men being feminine isn't looked down upon or shamed to the extremes that it is in the west.
Pretty sure it's celebrated in the West, not shamed. I still remember the Firefox guy and the Christian bakery.

>>161605221
Well, duh. Balance and communication is important. That everyone just keep going into extremes is why the West is so fucked nowadays.

>>161604490
Cute character designs may explain things like KanColle or Love Live, but Fate has an actual working plot and was adapted by a good studio into decent anime. Most of the franchise is actually readable/watchable so I don't think that it sold because of otaku waifufaggotry. Also, Sabre as an exmple of a good desing, really? Miss generic blonde hurr durr kishi honor? At least, say Tohsaka Rin or Sakura. PS. Prisma Illya is best girl is in the whole franchise if not all of existence.

>>161605351
>Also, Sabre as an exmple of a good desing, really? Miss generic blonde hurr durr kishi honor? At least, say Tohsaka Rin or Sakura
So,that's the thing.

Saber looks generic as fuck to you nowadays because you've been seeing Saberfaces for nearly 15 years already, of course you'd be sick of it already. Not so much back in 2004. There's also the fact of the mystery of Saber's identity back then, I shouldn't need to remind you that most people used to think she was Joan of Arc, the King Arthur twist caught everyone with their pants down.

It's like you are saying wow why are Pikachu and Mickey so popular they are just shitty rats.

>>161605351
>Miss generic blonde
umm it's 2017 sweaty, blondes are by mathematical proof the opposite of generic
geez
>hurr durr kishi honor
characters with extreme dedication to a moral code is also very rare

just say: "i hate saber" instead of using terms incorrectly like a pseud

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>>161605351
Good plot is nothing without being sellable. Our dicks control our acquisitions, anon. You're a slave to your own dick and doesn't even realize.

>>161605298
>Pretty sure it's celebrated in the West
It's really not. People are still throwing tantrums over gay marriage and the president just barred trans folk from serving in the military. I can't speak for Europe because I don't live there but recently two rappers (Young Thug and Jaden Smith) have been seen wearing feminine clothes and it sparked a huge debate on sexuality. Kanye West wore a kilt and people called him gay for it. Just because some people are accepting of these things doesn't mean we as a society are. Sure you might get a movie like Moonlight about gay black guys but in the real world you still have politicians trying to bar LGBT people from things and large amounts of people supporting them.

>>161605490
People seem to forget that we get massive overexposure on this type of topics because we spend our time on the internet 24/7. Your average normalfag doesn't even know what the fuck a SJW is for example. Mind you, I'm not saying that these people do not exist IRL, but they seem much bigger than they really are because they appear everywhere on the medium in which we handle ourselves the most. We fall for our cognitive bias as much as those people do.

>>161605553
That too.

>>161605490
you'll always have people against something
doesn't mean the west isn't homophilic

>>161605221
Most LGBT shit in Jap media are just jokes and fetish made for fujos.

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>>161605553
What?
Diversity and inclusive politics are everywhere in the West, anon. You need to go out of your basement, more often.

>>161605301
Would you like to have a little bit of people being your representatives only based on which family they were born into?
A little bit of you being a private individual's slave, without any compensation whatsoever?
A little bit of having to send your children to state brothels or performing sacred prostitution?

You accept extremes all the time. The people you clamor about accept balances all the time.

>>161605588
The west is incredibly homophobic.

>>161605595
You're right but you can't ignore all the yuri manga written by women that might women. I'm almost 100% sure that Aoki Ume likes women.

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>>161605595
WOW
LGBT that is an acronym for sexual preferences and ways of sexual life appeals to fetishes.
Who would ever thought of that?

>>161605553
>Your average normalfag doesn't even know what the fuck a SJW is for example
Baby boomers are near-dead gen mate. Even New York Times is bleeding money. Whether you think it's cool to be contrarian or something is irrelevant: internet is the normal.

Big Bang Theory and Game of Thrones are the most popular shows today in the West. Look up there coverage to really sink it in how out-of-date the older generations are becoming.

You've got autists on 4chan out-photoshopping CIA agents. The internet 'world' is the new normal.

>>161605673
>The west is incredibly homophobic.
It's not grandpa. The most protected minority is the colored alternate-sexuality box. There's even scholarships to Yale and shit for just being such a thing.

>>161605470
>umm sweety
Well, crossboarder-kun. This might've worked wherever you're from but here most anons have watched 500+ anime so when I say generic, I mean generic. 99% of the harems (including manga and novels) made in the last few years have at least 2+ blonde characters and if it's a fantasy t,here also one of those muh honor types. Rather, I'd challenge to list some that don't.

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>>161605553
>>161605686

>Trump is only a /pol/ meme XD~ 1% chance of winning

>>161605739
>>umm sweety
>spell correcting the meme
Yikes!
Blondes are still a tiny minority, even in animeland. You might be blondephobic and are more sensitive to them, so they register more prominently. No need to be ashamed, it's common today.

>>161605824
Nigga what?
How do you got that out of those posts?

>>161602780
I was too busy having taste

>>161605682
You do know that the most popular Fujo anime now, Yuri on Ice are mostly made by straight people for straight Japanese women right? It's just entertainment that wasn't meant to be taken seriously.

>>161605777
>even got god trips

good post

>implying /a/ knows how to code
>implying /a/ knows how to draw
>implying /a/ knows nip
Why didn't you, OP?

Ideas are cheap but results are risky and expensive. No one on /a/ has ever had the knowledge or skills to produce even a mediocre VN, much less one that can top the EGS charts.

>inb4 muh KS

KS sucks dick, and no one who actually stuck around with the project to the very end was from /a/. They just played on the "VN made by /a/" narrative because it guaranteed them an audience for their turd.

>>161605851
Apply yourself.

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>>161605871
I am learning right now.
I'm even excising.

>>161605902
No, fuck you. I'm the first post you quoted and I'm calling you out because nowhere did I say or imply anything of that sort.

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>>161605851
>they seem much bigger than they really are because they appear everywhere on the medium in which we handle ourselves the most.

The internet is representative of the world.

>>161605777
>Second richest person in Japan
[Citation needed]

>>161605938
I'm not the guy. I'm just saying I understood the very obvious mockery he meant and you need to apply yourself.

>10 years
Try 15.

>>161605941
>The internet is representative of the world.

The only kinds of people who say this are the ones who either have very little interaction with the real world or who treat the internet like it's serious business (see: Chanology fags, Kekistan fags, etc).

>>161605673
>You're right but you can't ignore all the yuri manga written by women that might women.
and? There are thousands of doujins about futas, traps, incest, raping little girls and shit.
What's your point?

>>161605941
You are a prime example of the people referenced in that post.

>>161604027
what an unusual sideboob.

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>>161605862
> Yuri on Ice are mostly made by straight people for straight Japanese women rightAnd so what?

Straight relationship stories made by gay people can't be taken seriously? Is that just a fetish?

Much cognitive bias, there.

>>161606029
see
>>161605824

>>161606029
You're seriously like 20 years out of date. Do you even know how big Pokemon Go is? I wouldn't doubt you're one of our 40+ year old browsers, or maybe you're just being stupid.

>>161605989
Call me dumb but I don't get it

>>161606066
You're not in a vacuum anymore, intern-at-dying-televsion-network.

>>161606187
That's fine.

>>161606204
Everyone's still at their own bubble, the advent of the internet has further incentivized such behavior.

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>>161605432
>I shouldn't need to remind you
Sadly, I started the franchise rather late. I didn't even read the VN till after the UBW anime. Saber feels like one of those seme onee-sama types in yuri, she's not the waifu type at all. Also, what's up with that blue armor/dress? When it comes it female knights i prefer full body armor like Claire from Claymore, or at least make it so that it doesn't cover the front like Catalina from Granblue.

>>161602780
if you think that is all fate is, it's no wonder you're butthurt. kys.

>>161606075
>Straight relationship stories made by gay people can't be taken seriously? Is that just a fetish?
Yes? Since anime romance in general are very unrealistic and is also just a form of entertainment.
The anime industry is just catering their target audiences that pays money, and I guarantee you, the overwhelming majority of their audience aren't fags.

>>161602780
Was it even that popular to begin with?