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One of the most common complaints on Strawberry's role as a protagonist has always been his lack of proper goals or motivations so let's see what could've been done to fix this.

The only condition here is that the goal must make sense within the context of the series.
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Well, he was always kind to spirits right? His goal could have been to protect the spirits of his town from disrespectful people and hollows
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>>161575088
His goal was to protect. What's the problem?
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>>161575088
Using his noble lineage and intelligence to climb the ladder of the soul society hierarchy and attain godhood to either bring his mom back from the dead or to break down the corrupt system.

There could even be a twist in the end where Ichigo thinks his ambitions will finally be realized but he just ends up getting backstabbed because the only real worth he ever had was as a powersource.
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>>161575362
Why should he have to fix the corrupt system? The Shinigami that 100+ years old should be doing that.
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>>161575088
After seeing what a shitty place Rukongai is, his goal is to make the Afterlife a better place. A place where loved ones can be reunited after death and can have new lives in a functioning society instead of living in misery and poverty in a fucking Japanese feudal system. Not a Paradise, but at least a place to rest in peace.
We saw in his very first scene how he didn't like the dead being disrespected.
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>>161575420
It's been established the shinigami have no real intention of ever fixing the system.

Ichigo himself is in no obligation to fix it either but he can take it upon himself to do so given his hero complex.
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>>161575270
>>161575491
These things make sense but they're never expressed much. Ichigo isn't a mysterious guy for us. We know his past, his lineage, his attitude and the reasons for it, but aside from defending spirits and wanting to protect "a mountain-load of people", he's never shown much motivation to what he's fighting for. He wanted to save Rukia and Orihime during their arcs but after the timeskip it didn't even seem like he went after Yhwach for revenge for his mother. Maybe it's because he got that out of his system because of Grand Fisher or maybe he just didn't let it show but you'd think confronting the man who masterminded his mother's death would have been a more emotionally intense confrontation.
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>>161575420
Part of the crew, part of the ship - part of the crew part of the ship - Part of the crew, part of the ship - part of the crew part of the ship - Part of the crew, part of the ship - part of the crew part of the ship - Part of the crew, part of the ship - part of the crew part of the ship - Part of the crew, part of the ship - part of the crew part of the ship -
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>>161575668
>he got that out of his system because of Grand Fisher
Come to think of it, did Isshin ever actually tell Ichigo that he killed Grand Fisher?
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>>161575652
As long as the nobles of soul society do not threaten anyone close to Ichigo, or in his vicinity, then they can do whatever they want.
There are talks of bringing back the Kurosaki siblings into the fold, but going by the last chapter of the manga that never happened.
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>>161575668
I think "mastermiding" Masaki's death is giving Yhwach too much credit. The guy never had any intent to kill Masaki to begin with. It's just that she was unlucky enough to get herself into a situation where she was going to die.
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>>161575652
He doesn't care to, that's the thing. Ichigo only ever went against SS and it's rules twice; first with Rukia then with Orihime.
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>>161575088
>it's a brainlet doesn't understand bleach episode

Every time.
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>>161575733
What if the Grand Fisher arc never ended? Waot, ni I'm thingking of that fan comic with the somewhat better ending.
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>>161575804
Sure he disregards it in the actual story to continue being a tool for the shinigami but it's not like such a goal would be out of character for him.

After all, he likes playing hero right? what better way to do it then by getting the ultimate power up?
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>>161575787
I couldn't think of a better word. Her death comes back to Yhwach stealing her powers at a very inopportune moment. If not for Grand Fisher she might have died later like Ishida's mom did anyway.
>>161575745
I imagine the Kurosakis will become a powerful force in Seireitei once they're all dead 100 years down...

Speaking of which, can Isshin even die naturally as he is now? He appears to have aged but he's still a spirit in a fake body at heart.
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Why is that Yoruichi, Oetsu, Tosen and possibly Soi Fon were the only non-ethnic Japanese we ever saw in Soul Society? Do they just not allow gaijin to go to Shinigami school so they're forced to stay in Rukongai?
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>>161576003
He'll just go back to soul society, Ichigo said so at one point. Ichigo and Kazui would be great additions, Karin and Yuzu would only be good for their genes. Ichigo is the one Tokinada wants to control.
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>>161576008
Shitskin's entire clan is full of shitskin shinigami so they have some leeway for gaijin.
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His dead cousin should have been his hollow.
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>>161576082
>Karin and Yuzu would only be good for their genes
They never really got an opportunity. Karin definitely has the capacity since she can see ghosts, hollows, and soul reapers as well being something of a tough girl. Yuzu has less abilities but her lineage almost guarantees she'll be more than just a common street rat in Rukongai.
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>>161576008
IIRC Kubo once said something like if Rangiku were alive she'd be french so maybe there are more whites in seireitei than we think.
There's also Mayuri who doesn't look japanese at all without his make up. I'm thinking he's egyptian given his pharoah costume.
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I feel like things could have gone a lot better if Ichigo's unique lineage and traits were more important than they were. I also feel like Inoue was a poor character to give so much focus to. I don't care much about the romantic angle, but as a character she doesn't offer much. Her ability is ridiculous, but her reactions to her surroundings are poor. She doesn't really make things interesting.

There were way too many side characters. Having a lot of characters is fine and all, but Kubo was way too insistent on giving every single one of them a time to shine.

Basically, if you can't be bothered to make the protagonist more proactive about pursuing a goal, then make his existence more important. Don't just say that he's just a component of Yhwach or something. Give him a closer tie to the Soul King, or make it so that the Shiba clan was involved in some great conspiracy. If he's a Quincy, then make him a little more important than just being a battery for Yhwach to drain.

The key point is to place the protagonist in the center of things, whether by his own will or against it.
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>>161575088
Are you retarded? His "lack of goal" is what makes him an interesting unique character. Ichigo started out as someone driven by his guilt to hide behind the punk facade and avoid opening up to anyone around him. He hid his guilt behind his angry face and he grew obsessed with idea of protecting others at the expense of his own wellbeing to the unhealthy lengths(as explored in Fullbring arc). Ichigo the delinquent that he was at the start, was very good at masking his emotions. Fullbring arc was all about how much of despair and anger and guilt Ichigo hides behind his behavior and how what happened to his mother haunts him. Which also included this moment which pretty much has a double meaning too.

In the last arc though once he actually let go of his anger and restraints, accepting himself and it became was very much obvious.
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>>161576482
Orihime started out as someone lingering onto her brother's death and who lived alone and without a family. She lived alone talking to a freaking portrait and having no idea what she wants of life or even whether her existence is worth anything.

Through the story we have seen both her and Ichigo moving forward because of each other and learning to move past their past tragedies. Hell, we literally spelled that out with the Orihime saying that she will heal Ichigo no matter how broken he geats to Riruka, which is double-meaning in that it both means physically and it both means moving past what haunts them. And by the time of Masaki flashback and the obvious similarities between Isshin/Masaki and Ichigo/Orihime there was pretty much no doubt left that IF romance ever happens for Ichigo it will be this one.
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>>161576482
The novels suggest everyone who's qualified to be the soul king has to be some kind of part everything like Ichigo himself so there's definitely a greater connection there.
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>>161576676
Like I said, I don't care about the romance. The most important aspects of a character are three things: charisma, how they react to their surroundings and the circumstances that drive them to act. Inoue's motivations are tied almost exclusively to Ichigo, so as a result, she has no real personal stake in anything beyond "I think this is the right thing to do". Her reactions to her circumstances are predictable at best and boring at worst. She doesn't really offer much to any of the affairs; even when she's at the center of things, she doesn't really say or do anything to enhance the story.

As far as I'm concerned, she's not really an interesting character to follow. She's fundamentally lacking in charisma.
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>>161576676
>talking to a freaking portrait
It's kinda funny how easy it is to forget how fucked Orihime's life initially was. Shame that part of her was never taken advantage of in an interesting way like developing her into a whore like her mom.
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>>161576816
I disagree. I really love her character.

>>161577055
How edgy.
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>>161575491
Aizen kind of wanted to do this and he was the villain.
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>>161577055
Wormslut Orihime would've been great.
She had all the groundwork for it all she needed was some Aizen hollow shenanigans and we got best girl in the making.

God dammit Kubo how could you miss out on such a great opportunity?
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>>161577237
Aizen wanted to become God and didn't care who he had to step on to get there.
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>>161576816
The worst thing Kubo did to both Sado and Inoue was ditching everything about them aside of their love to Ichigo. Heck, even Orihime'sbond with Ulquiorra is never referenced after he eaves his heart with her and dies.
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>>161577293
Why in the world would he be brought up again? He taunted her about Chad being dead, threatened to force feed her, and waited till she got to the dome to deliver the final blow to Ichigo. All she felt for the emo clown at the end was pity.
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>>161577367
Maybe some battered wife syndrome thing where all the abuse convinced Orihime only people who make her suffer actually care for her at all. It's not only great dark humor but completely in character for her.
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>>161577293
Chad never had much going for him to begin with. People liked him because he was a good friend, but he was basically a rank-and-file character. Someone to act as an equalizer. But he never really contributed much beyond adding to Ichigo's character profile. Once that was accomplished, he basically fell into a repetition of losing his battles because that's the natural result for him. He's not the main character, so it's impossible for him to stand until the very end. He has no greater stake in anything beyond helping Ichigo, but since Ichigo's stronger than him by leaps and bounds, he's unable to even do that much. Because he lacks information concerning any of the situations at hand, he's unable to even give Ichigo advice.

Chad was given too large a presence for a character of his type. He's inherently an outsider who got sucked into affairs that he probably should never have gotten involved in. As a result, he has no real plot ticket. Inoue's the same. The only real link she has to the story is Ichigo, so all she can do is follow Ichigo around or become one of his motivations. But since she doesn't really have anything to do with anything, her value as a motivation decreases the further into the story you go. On top of that, her link to Ichigo was weak to begin with. Ichigo barely acknowledged her at the start of the story. I mean, originally, Inoue was kind of just the silly character who produced a bunch of non-sequiturs. Wonder where that aspect of her personality went.

It all boils down to Kubo being really bad at the preparation stage.
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>>161577470
It's not in character at all you dumbfuck. Her older brother, Tatsuki, and the rest of the nakama have never abused Orihime so the whole battered wife syndrome doesn't work for her character. She was only abused by her parents as a baby, and during her time in HM by different enemies.
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>>161577585
>Ichigo barely acknowledged her at the start of the story
Huh? He pointed out that she always had a new bruise or something in one of the earliest chapters despite being only a classmate during this time. Plus he was willing to die for her when fighting her Hollow! Ichigo. I don't understand people that say he never paid attention to her when the first few chapters prove this statement wrong.
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>>161575088
>rescues Rukia
>realizes the Soul Society's governing system is kind of really shitty
>to avoid capture, Rukia takes him back to the slums she grew up in
>they spend a few nights with Rukia reminiscing about her shitty childhood
>Ichigo hangs out with poor slum children and gets emotionally attached to them
>Ichigo resolves to challenge the corrupt government
>Aizen reveals he's after the same thing, except he wants to establish himself as a totalitarian dictator who controls everyone's every whim to ensure peace and fairness for all
>Ichigo rejects Aizen's ideas and decides that the people should have the power, not a single person like Aizen and not an oligarchy like the current Soul Society
>a three way war breaks out between Aizen and his loyalists, Ichigo and the shinigami who agree that the Soul Society should be reformed and the more traditional shinigami that want to protect their traditions
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>>161577605
parental abuse is more than enough to instill such values into a person.
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When you get right down to it, the quality of Bleach's story would be greatly improved if Kubo didn't insist on focusing so much of side characters. His story lacked focus ever since the Soul Society arc; it was just one detour after another. I understand that many of Bleach's characters were popular, but giving ALL of them time in the spotlight is excessive. You have to compromise sometimes if you want to tell a good story. If you focus on literally everything, you're just left with a bloated mess.
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>>161575088
how about this! ichigo just wants to wear his fishnet shirts in peace.
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>>161577810
Except she doesn't remember the abuse she received as a baby and literally states this to Riruka.
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>>161577825
>>161577825
funny since the side characters were much more interesting after ichigo became boring as shit.
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>>161575088
It turns out Shinigami need to constantly feed on Hollows or they will literally drop fucking dead. Ichigo must now spend the rest of his life hunting Hollows or he will literally drop fucking dead. Sometimes the best motivation is the simplest.
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>>161577737
>shinigami who agree that the soul society should be reformed

So best case scenario Ichigo gets stuck with Rukia, Renji and maybe Shitsugaya? sounds like Ichigo's army is in for the jobbing of a lifetime.
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>>161575088
to get laid
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>>161577902
That's the whole issue though, he focused too much on side characters and didn't develop ichigo at all.
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>>161575088
>his lack of proper goals or motivations
What in the world are you talking about? The only arc you this might, MIGHT, apply to is the beginning ghostbuster arc, but after that his goals and motivations are all pretty clear cut.
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>>161578021
you dont like eternal angst eh?
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>>161578021
You mean he focused too much on the Shinigami.
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what kind of zanpakto would you give karin if she didn't get dropped by editor san?
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>>161577939
They could probably get Ukitake since he seemed sympathetic to his underling. Maybe Kenpachi since he grew up a poorfag and he seems to not really give a shit about anything but fighting. So he'd probably join Ichigo for shits and giggles.
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>>161575088

Have sex with the big titted redhead
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>>161577978
>Ichigo can't get any because all the girls he tries to ask out think he looks scary
>He still looks like this
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>>161578187
>when you realize Bleach actually takes place from Orihime's POV
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>>161575088
Actually I think his role as a protector just needed to be played at more. He looks and sometimes acts like a punk, but at his core he doesn't like bullies or people who pick on the weak. So make him begrudging of his role as a Soul Reaper at first and then have it dawn on him that with his power he can protect his town, friends, etc. Make it a point that whenever anyone is slighted, no matter how small or petty, he's ready to jump in and lose gallons of blood if needed to in order to protect them. Rather than have him become a doctor of a small clinic, have him become a police officer and whenever he fails at his role as a protector, really give him an emotional crisis.

Essentially take what you already have and turn the dial up.
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>>161578187
Daddy
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>>161578364
why the fuck did yuzu get the short end of the stick of everything?
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>>161577281
Aizen wanted to become a god and change the system. Sort of like shadow nazi jesus. Apparently that aspect of his character is going to be expanded upon in one of the upcoming novels.
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>>161578408
She was forsaken by Yhwach for her forbidden desires toward her brother and future nephew.
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>>161578503
Lies and slander
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>>161578409
Hoping his system isn't going to be any better than the current. One of his defining traits is being an ass and having righteous motivations takes away from that. Besides, Yhwach's already got good intentions villain covered.
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Inoue and Chad should not have followed Ichigo into Soul Society. In terms of story progression, they didn't really add anything. If you absolutely must have a romance angle with Ichigo, fine, establish that. But that doesn't mean Orihime needs to follow Ichigo; it's not like they got to spend much time together regardless. That being said, just bringing in Ichigo, Ishida and Yoruichi might have been too far in the other direction. On the other hand, this might benefit the characters more. With less characters to share the spotlight with, it would have been more interesting to see Ishida and Ichigo's friendship progress. Functionally, Ishida has more to offer to the story than either Chad or Inoue as well. Once they get to Soul Society, they'd get joined by Ganju and Hanatarou as well, so it more or less works out. Just by lessening the number of main characters, you can greatly enhance focus.

Lessen the number of Shinigami that get the spotlight. I know they're interesting, but too many detours is never a good thing. At the time of the SS arc, it wasn't that bad, since the only Shinigami that really got a lot of showtime were the ones that directly fought Ichigo. It's after that where things get problematic. We never really needed to know Ikkaku, or Komamura's, or Soifon's history. Considering how utterly unimportant these characters ended up being in the long run, it would have been better to just hint at things a bit without delving all the way into their pasts. As an addendum to that, stop trying to give every single character a fight. It's entirely unnecessary and drags the already slow pace down to a crawl. Have most of the fights offscreen and show the results later. Side characters should not have the camera constantly trained on them.
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>>161578168
>All three go to Kenpatchi to try and recruit him
>He sits in silence then asks how many are on each side
>He simply joins Ichigo because his opponents are greater in number and strength
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>>161577585
It's not like you couldn't make Chad stronger. His no Shinigami, so him getting strong faster wouldn't be weird. Not weirder than sudden power ups for Rukia and Renji. And aside of that, there are many things you can do with wild kid turned pacifist, you just have to give him more characters to interact with.

And with Inoue, you had her wanting to erase Hogyoku which goes nowhere but could result in something interesting. Aside of that, her problem in SS was lack of killing intent and all of this stuff. Then she trains to learn to fight in Arrancar arc and actually gets somewhat rougher in FB arc. You can put her in situation when she has to kill an opponent and the story writes itself. You just have to try. Kubo just didn't try with Inoue and Sado.
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>>161578187
What girls did he ask out?
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>>161578629
t. capt hindsight

fuck you soi fon was great.
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>>161578629
>ignoring doggo bro

no fuck off, Bromamura was easily one of the best side characters. If anything he needed way more focus than dumb shitters like Hitsugaya, Kenpachi and Byakuya.
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>>161578629
This is part of the reason I like Memories of Nobody. Its story is incredibly straightforward and generic, and the villains are lame as fuck. But it doesn't dilly-dally on pointless shit. It focuses on two characters, Ichigo and Senna. That's it. That's all it needed. Anyone who wasn't necessary was thrown onto the sidelines and kept there. Yes, some Captains and Vice Captains were brought in at the end for the fight scenes, but that's the extent of it. The crux of the story is entirely based around the relationship between these two characters, so as a Bleach story, it has unparalleled focus.
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>>161575088
He's a realistic teen protaganist in my opinion because he doesn't really know what the fuck his goals and motives are.
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His goal is to get laid, and later, become the Harem King of Soul Society. It only makes sense with the sheer number of semen demons in this show.
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>>161578800
>>161578800
movie was terrible.

focusing on a nobody and a boring mc is a great movie? laughable.
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>>161578734
He didn't. I was just making a joke based on the post I was replying to.
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>>161578766
The problem is no one major had any real conflict with him. Ichigo never fights him, Aizen doesn't care that much about him. His conflicts were always with other side characters which were never that important.

>>161578715
It's not an issue of strength. That's not the real problem. The issue is that Chad is entirely irrelevant. He has nothing to do with anything beyond being Ichigo's friend. Every single time he's given focus, it ends up being a tangent, a detour that never goes anywhere. It's not just Chad, the majority of the characters are like this.

Furthermore, Inoue's hands were tied because she's not the protagonist. You can't have her foil the main villain's plot because it's the protagonist's role to do that. She was never anything more than a red herring; even if she weren't, she simply would have been defeated or tossed aside because her success cannot be allowed.
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>>161575420
You have a hard time grasping the concept of "hero" don't you?
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The solution doesn't lie with Ichigo, but with Urahara. Make Urahara a secret villain, like most of /a/ suspected for quite some time. Make Ichigo just an unwitting pawn in a much greater game. His naive and trusting nature letting others easily take advantage of him.
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>>161578835
That's going to be his son's goal after years of being corrupted by Grandpa Isshin and Uncle Mizuiro.
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>>161578974
>It's not an issue of strength. That's not the real problem. The issue is that Chad is entirely irrelevant. He has nothing to do with anything beyond being Ichigo's friend. Every single time he's given focus, it ends up being a tangent, a detour that never goes anywhere. It's not just Chad, the majority of the characters are like this.
It turned out like this, it doesn't mean it had to.
>Furthermore, Inoue's hands were tied because she's not the protagonist. You can't have her foil the main villain's plot because it's the protagonist's role to do that. She was never anything more than a red herring; even if she weren't, she simply would have been defeated or tossed aside because her success cannot be allowed.
Urahara had big part in Aizen's defeat, Ishida and Aizen were arguably more crucial to Yhwach's defeat than Ichigo.
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>>161577585
They're called friends and they actually bring humanity marketability and the "cool factor" to the cast.
If it was only about relevant people then the entire cast would be middle aged shinigami and the occasional hollow.

Kubo fucked up in only one way. Not going ahead with making the hell arc about Chads powers and Inoue some kind of fairy or something.

World building that tied the his cast of friends to the story at large.

>>161578124
Something embarassingly cute that becomes way too hot as she matures.
To be honest, I think she would have done better as a quincy.
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>>161577737
This sounds way better than what we got. And it would actually make Ichigo heroic.
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>>161577914
I had been hoping it would turn out that Zangetsu was eating the hollows he kills with it (since it is a hollow after all) rather than purifying them, and that was part of why he got stronger. Cue moral dilemma.
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>>161579233
shame tatsuki, karin was dropped for 50 quincy fags.
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>>161579327
Would have been cool if Ichigo figured out White was actually Zangetsu much earlier and ran into this issue.
>"What's the matter partner, you said you wanted to get stronger right? Besides, they're just hollows anyway. No one is going to miss them."
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>>161579150
That was after Ichigo already defeated him.

Also, at this point, we're merely delving into "what could have beens". Basically, too many ingredients will spoil the broth. My argument this whole time has been that the story has always been critically lacking in focus. It's not a stretch to say that from start to finish, it's pretty much just been an endless series of detours. Giving extra focus to a character who was initially an irrelevant outsider does not really help with that.

>>161579233
Most of those middle-aged Shinigami weren't that relevant either. The bulk of them were just firepower and none of them were capable of dealing with the situation at hand.

Again, I'm aware that these characters are popular, but seriously, think about it. Among Ichigo's posse, there around half a dozen members, give or take a few. Then you have the Gotei 13, which is comprised of thirteen (or less) Captains, thirteen (or less) Lieutenants and countless other rank-and-file soldiers. Putting aside the lower-ranks, Soul Society alone has twenty-six (or less) characters to focus on. On top of that, there's also the Vizards, the Arrancar and the Quincy. It's a mess. Giving every single one of them a fight and a flashback is way, way too much. It's completely ridiculous.

I mean, as things stand, if you get rid of Chad, what, exactly, would that take away from the story? If you give the absolute bare-minimal focus to Soifon, Hitsugaya, Hinamori, Kira, etc., etc., how would that negatively impact the flow of the plot? You can't just introduce a hundred characters and focus on all of them. That's not what a reasonable storyteller does.

Focus. You show what needs to be done, add some fanservice within reasonable amounts, and that's it. I'm not saying that you should only put what's absolutely necessary, but if you're gonna add extra things, they should be used as a bit of extra spice or garnish, not dumped in wholesale.
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>>161578974
The thing that helped sell bleach was the feeling that Ichigo was always in way over his head and that nothing that's happening has anything directly to do with him.
He's the hero who sticks his head in to help his friends.
That's it.
That feeling is also why his little friendship circle is so important. They're a bunch of likeable easily marketable teenage kids and adults who're just trying to save their friend in SS.

They'd end up becoming something greater as they travel and have adventures but ultimately at that point they're nothing.

As for Inoue. That's fucking dumb. A side character can indeed do whatever the author wants. If she did destroy the crumbling jewel or was instrumental in stopping aizen even being a major reason that urahara's plan worked. I would have NO problem with that.

But he was slapped with the PROTAG HAS TO BE THE SPESHULEST thing and he's lost a part of his personality in the process
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ITT: shitty writers.

you all deserve older editors fucking you up and correcting your dumb ideas like kubo.
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>>161579569
Name one good writer who introduces a hundred characters and gives all of them focus in the course of a single story.
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>>161579111
I liked the idea that Urahara and Aizen were these brilliant grand masters who were playing this massive game against each other.

And Aizen's gambit during the HM arc was to become a god so he could overthrow the king, but Urahara wanted to protect the king and the throne because he knows something that Aizen doesn't or simply thought it was best if things were left well enough alone.

If the quincy arc revealed that the king was really REALLY horrifying and Urahara was probably a high ranking member of the Zero squad, maybe even the captain, and he'd been playing them all as saps for decades?
Then shit.

Aizen's awesome rant as he was sealed would have been prophetic and even cooler
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Just have Yoruichi fuck Ichigo in the training hot spring or at least heavily imply it
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>>161579769
>>161579769
WRONG HOLE AHHHH
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>>161579327
>>161579444
This technically happened with old man Zangetsu instead of White. Every person a quincy kills is fed to Yhwach.

Though I doubt Ichigo would actually care since he had no issue with killing Yhwach even if it meant every soul in Yhwach's posession being wiped from existence.

>>161578851
fuck you Senna was one of the best girls.

>>161579271
>heroic Ichigo
Gay.

I'd much prefer a Light Yagami esque self righteous egotist Ichigo.
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>>161579748
>If the quincy arc revealed that the king was really REALLY horrifying

All Kubo had to do was copy the elder god from the Kain games, and boom, he's done.
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>>161575088
What is Yusuke's goal?
What is Goku's goal?
What is Kuroko's goal?
What are the Jojo's in the Joestar family goals?
What is Rin's goal?
What is even the faggot that is Natsu's goal?


Just shut the fuck up and respect the man. Barely anyone has goals worth a damn.
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>>161579807
>I'd much prefer a Light Yagami esque self righteous egotist Ichigo.

And instead you got a little bitch who cries every time something doesn't go his way.
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>>161579748
That honestly would have been pretty great. I know a lot of people were speculating some eldrich abomination from Aizens rant and we just got a featureless guy in a crystal who gets one shot instead.

Having Urahara as a secret zero squad member on the ground level who was forced into hiding after Aizen found out about it and started his own campaign sure as shit would have been interesting and I could even see Ichigo doing an about face at that point and going against Urahara.
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>>161579814
> implying the king who's severed arm went and became an eldritch horror isn't horrifying
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>>161575088
Hm? Wasn't his goal to be an Ally of Justice?
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>>161575088
>goes through ss arc blah blah
>shitty filler arc never happens
>karin and yuzu visit urahara shop a lot to
>ichigo and his dad look out for growing quincy sisters.
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>>161579878
He does DO anything anon. That's the point. If they had revealed that he eats souls or something that would have been good.
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>>161575088
Ichigo's survivor's guilt regarding the Grand Fisher incident is played up considerably more, resulting in him subconsciously trying to compensate through a hero complex that's similarly greater to an unhealthy degree.
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Marrying Rukia.

There. I fixed Bleach.
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>>161579919
You sure? as soon as Yhwach "released" the thing it became an army of sludge babies bent on devouring all shinigami.
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>>161579961
>Ichirukifag
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>>161579503
Anon, just because the characters exist and do something here or there does not mean that they NEED to be viewed.

They can be revealed, have their time to shine then fade into the background, to be used later for WHATEVER fucking story or plot that he wants.

That's not being unreasonable. That's good planning and sewing the seeds for an epic.

Problem is that he was pushed into the BIG EXPLOSIONS N SHIT land where everyone is punching holes in mountains with their left pinky toe. And that is WELL BEYOND Kubo's ability to conceptualize or even create if you consider how injured he was during the latter years of Bleach.

The situations being big and the powers being crazy only because of certain conditions being met and keeping things slow.

Better world building and more thought put into how to keep power both interesting and balanced and still in his control and within his means to show.

The fullbring arc was his attempt at that, but he didn't really know how to crystalize what people liked about bleach while giving them a smaller more focused story. I bet it was horribly frustrating to be honest.
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>>161579819
>What are the Jojo's in the Joestar family goals?

Many Jojos have goals. To clean up his step-brother's mess. To clean up his family's mess, and then later, to save his own life. To save his mother's life. To escort the boss' daughter. To save her father. To win the race.

If you're going to cherry pick and ignore MCs with strong goals, like One Piece, Naruto, and Academia, you could at least do it right.
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>>161579955
The latter half is basically what happened in the actual series. Whether it's tied to his mom or to his own teenage urges is left ambiguous though.
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>>161580022
That destroys the pacing. I mean come on, by the end, the final arc half-consisted of flashback after flashback. What the hell kind of storytelling is that?
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>>161579971
No, I'm not sure about anything concerning the King because Kubo barely bothered to do anything with him. I don't see how that's a defense.
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>>161580009
>not being a Ichirukifag
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>>161579819
>What is Goku's goal?
Ever evolving. Have an adventure, collect the dragonballs, save the entire universe, etc.
>What is Kuroko's goal?
Prove to the other members of the generation of miracles that teamwork is valuable and can surpass individual talents.
>What are the Jojo's in the Joestar family goals?
Too many bases to cover in a single post.
>What is even the faggot that is Natsu's goal?
Find his dragon daddy. The problem is that his goal is completely at odds with what the story and the guild he's a part of demand him to do, and thus it never feels like he's actually committed to that goal.
Haven't seen Yu Yu Hakusho or whatever series Rin is from.
All this aside, if you think the fact that other series failing to give their main characters goals means Bleach is exempt from criticism for doing the same thing, then you're an idiot.
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BEST GIRLS
>soi fon
>yoruichi
>matsumoto
>kuukaku
>unohana
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>>161580181
You. You have good taste.
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>>161579895
Has he ever even mentioned the word justice in the entire manga?
His goals were always only as broad and bland and "saving his friends", which results in him having no vested interest in the conflict whatsoever until a friend gets kidnapped (Rukia/Orihime/Uryuu).
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>>161575088
If anyone does a sequel series featuring Kazui *looks at Narita* then they can do it right this time by having Kazui with a strong goal.

He already took in Yhwach or something in the finale so maybe he could lead to the fall of the current system as Yhwach wanted. Just imagine watching the cute shota wreck his dumb dad for the greater good.
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What qualifies as a goal to you people? Why does a protagonist need a hard goal? Does wanting to protect your friends, family, and help people not count as a goal?
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>>161580191
liked her character wise. bad ass fighter done right if you ignore the lesbian thing.
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>>161580216
It's a joke. There happens to be a certain other Japanese ginger with amber eyes who wishes to be an Ally of Justice. Even has a midget swordswoman with him.
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>>161580255
kazui should only be a side character along with hacigou nemu in a lighthearted SOL series that explores all the concepts kubo was too fucking lazy to do that hack.
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>>161580347
Because, as it's already been explained over and over again, not having a clear goal makes the protagonist completely reactive and passive.
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>>161580080
The way he conducts in the series proper is fairly reasonable though. He has a strong sense of values, doesn't like people being assholes, and helps out when he encounters problems. Certainly, Ichigo has a tendency to get dragged into heroic shit because of his personality, but I wouldn't say that it's what drives him per se.

His motivations in the actual series seemed to have more to do with wanting to defend his everyday life, and protecting people/friends/family is just a natural extension of that.
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>>161580102
How does people knowing most of the people in the story actually destroy pacing? Having a side character that has some fans fighting a bad guy or being a large part of the story is good fanservice.

I reiterate, having the story be more focused does not mean it's more better. It would be dry as fuck.

Who would you have liked to be part of that tiny as fuck cast of needed characters?
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>>161580360
i never really understood ntr until people like shirou get mind broken.

its truly the patricians choice.
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>>161580118
I'm just saying it's pretty obvious the king is supposed to be some kind of eldritch horror like people wanted just from looking at how its individual body parts act. And after getting "killed" the body itself also acted like some kind of hostile monstrosity.
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>>161580396
In the story that's told with bleach he can't be an active hero.
To do that would require him to become a conqueror and merciless butcher.
There is no magical bullshit deus ex machina that will allow him to make everything happy.

Him reacting to bad shit happening with bravery courage and hope is what heroes do.
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>>161580396
And why would that be bad?
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>>161580402
Twenty-six antagonists is insane. Even if you must have them, you can't give all of them a time in the limelight.

Seriously, what kind of stories have you seen that do this? Even a story with a hundred characters only gives focus to the minority. There's nothing wrong with fanservice or flavoring, but did we really need to see every individual Sternritter fall? The pacing of the final arc was truly horrendous. That's not good writing at all. Not in the slightest. I can't do anything but give it a failing grade.
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>>161575088
>Give this faggot a goal

Picking a better wife
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>>161580501
>In the story that's told with bleach he can't be an active hero.

What's wrong with other anon's suggestions in this thread that Ichigo could try to reform the afterlife? Or hell, you could have him find out who killed his mother and make his goal trying to find Yhwach.

>To do that would require him to become a conqueror and merciless butcher.

wut

>Him reacting to bad shit happening with bravery courage and hope is what heroes do.

Heroes can also try to change the world for the better. Those are often the heroes we really remember.

>>161580511
If you like that, that's fine. It's generally accepted to be bad storytelling to make your protagonist passive, but if you don't have a problem with it, more power to you.

OK, I'm out of this thread. I see the Kubo apologists are STILL desperate to justify everything about this mediocre series, and I've learnt from experience there is absolute no point trying to discuss anything with them.
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>>161580400
No it's definitely what drived him.

Aizen, Ginjo, Grimmjow and Yhwach all made note of it by asking him if it's really his friends that drives him or his own ego.

When he chose to stay and fight Grimmjow instead of running away with Orihime it's made clear what he prioritizes and it's not "protecting others" like he claims.
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>>161575088
Ichigo realizes that his aggressiveness and constant need to save the world all stems from his latent homoerotic feelings for Sado. He must keep himself busy with existential fisticuffs to keep him from thinking about Sado's big brown burrito. Things get complicated when Sado insists on tagging along with Ichigo, further adding to his sexual frustration and causing him to lash out on unlucky hollows even more violently than before.
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>>161575088
He's empty.
He doesn't have goals.
At the start he just seems like a good guy with an affinity for ghosts, but as the manga goes on he loses even that.
No wonder it went to shit, you can't have a good story without good characters.
This isn't really by design, but it is deliberately done to make him a self-insert for children.
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>>161580603
How is that any different then him going to save rukia and orihime and ss?

You seem to take the fact that people do the things that ichigo do for granted and simply handwaive it as being meaningless.

Also looking for his mother's killer the grand fisher? Sure why not. Then what?
He kills him and now he has no goal.

To be the kind of hero that could stop ss from being assholes, put down the greater powers of hm, and defeat the king would require him to do some very unheroic things.

Unless you have a different definition of what he has to do to be an active hero.

Because going after grandfisher isn't heroic. It's just him getting vengence.

Name one actual peace maker who's stopped a war or helped change the world.
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>>161580603
KUBOED

kek.
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>>161580603
>It's generally accepted to be bad storytelling to make your protagonist passive
Why?

>OK, I'm out of this thread. I see the Kubo apologists are STILL desperate to justify everything about this mediocre series, and I've learnt from experience there is absolute no point trying to discuss anything with them.
I'm not an apologist. Bleach has a ton of flaws. I've just never heard this one before, and it never struck me as being one. Don't be upset with others if you're unable to defend your claims from scrutiny.
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>>161579569
editor-kun can't handle my talents.
Unlike Kubo I'm no spineless hack.
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>>161580603
>What's wrong with other anon's suggestions in this thread that Ichigo could try to reform the afterlife?
Because that would either turn it into a war story or a political one. No thanks, not what I want out of Bleach.
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>>161580431
>Too much of a beta to man the fuck up yourself? Can only feel good about taking advantage of someone, but have no skills or attributes that actually let you do it? Just imprint on that alpha male as he takes advantage of that super weak loser, at least you can be the big dick alpha nigger in fantasy.
>Too fucking beta to ever imagine yourself winning even in fantasy erotica? Just imprint yourself on the weak loser!
NTR readers folks
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>>161580808
>ITT people think doing bad things for the greater good is wrong

Fuck off Ichigo would be leagues better if he were to make the hard choices for the greater good like joining up with the quincy or assassinating a potential threat like his dad
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>>161580904
t. emiya
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>>161580163
>Ever evolving. Have an adventure, collect the dragonballs, save the entire universe, etc
He hasn't had an adventure in over 30 years and that's more of a hobby

>Prove to the other members of the generation of miracles that teamwork is valuable and can surpass individual talents
That's a very weak goal.

>Too many bases to cover in a single post
Goals that is fucking basically "I must protect this certain someone." just like Ichigo?

>Haven't seen Yu Yu Hakusho or whatever series Rin is from
Another beloved everyone sugarcoats because of nostalgia and Rin is from Blue Exorcist.

>All this aside, if you think the fact that other series failing to give their main characters goals means Bleach is exempt from criticism for doing the same thing, then you're an idiot
No everyone picking on Bleach like it's the worst kind of series are the idiots. If you hate Bleach for doing something that the other series get a pass for, especially the beloved ones, then something is fucking wrong you.

All I can say is change your crooked ways of hypocritical bitching.
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>>161581037
Rin wants to kick Satan's ass. Pretty cool goal if you ask me.
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>>161580395
>light hearted SoL
We already had that bullshit in the we do knot always love you novel and it was gay.

I like the story of how Kazui brought salvation to mankind from the shinigami scourge better.
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>>161581251
>>161581251
nah youre just thirsty.
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>>161581037
>No everyone picking on Bleach like it's the worst kind of series are the idiots. If you hate Bleach for doing something that the other series get a pass for, especially the beloved ones, then something is fucking wrong you.1
I don't think anyone is criticizing Bleach for passiveness of Ichigo alone. It's just one of the factors. Also, notice that not many had problems with it before arrancar arc. Passiveness of MC might get annoying the longer the story goes, especially if you're not making circumstances significantly different for him. And Kubo only really tried that in FB arc when the problems actually solved itself anyway. And as evidenced in TYBW arc, he didn't really learn anything there, he still won't share his problems with anyone and only get more and more depressed about them which was major source of his troubles there.
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>>161580181
>none of these girls can grow dicks or turn into monster girls
Gigi and Nel are better than all these thots.
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Has any shounen protagonist ever been cucked as much as Ichigo? Not only has he failed to get Rukia, but him saving the world had no consequences to his daily life, he still has to labor away 12 hours a day like the average nip that he is, while literally no one recognizes his accomplishments. This whole thing might as well have been just his fantasy.
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>>161580077
All of these goals is protecting someone
So what's your point? You sound like a hypocrite.

Also only two of those goals you picked are worth shit while Nardo became a leader of a retarded nation like this is an accomplishment you'd want to bring up.

And the funny thing is you and the OP are cherrypicking Ichigo like he's the only one without goal. Get over that obstacle called being a jackass.
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>>161575088
It's simple. Just make it his goal to become a superhero. Pursuing the splendid ideal of wanting to save everyone. Even if that ideal is impossible, even if there is nothing left at the end of that path, he will still strive for it without faltering.

Ahh. His body was truly made of swords...
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>>161581418
But he married a tittymonster in the end
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>>161579111
The novels basically confirmed that Ichigo was just a pawn the whole time.
It's just to the gotei as a whole rather than just Urahara alone.
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>>161581363
who?
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>>161581418
gotta shill the average daily life with a 'good' housewife!
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>>161575088
He already had a goal you dumb nigger
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I always figured he was going to reform the soul society since all his friends have almost been killed by captains, and they are ultimately responsible for the Quincy wars.
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>>161581418
He married a kind and loving woman who compliments him well and people finally started leaving him alone meaning he doesn't have to constantly worry about saving people or protecting things. He gets to lead a normal life finally and that's not bad at all.
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>>161581418
>failed to get Rukia
Unless he's into chicks who look like dudes I don't know why he would ever want Rukia.
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>>161581765
>they are ultimately responsible for the Quincy wars.
How? They didn't force the Quincy to keep being dickbags. They tried to be peaceful at first, iirc.
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>>161581317
>And as evidenced in TYBW arc, he didn't really learn anything there, he still won't share his problems with anyone and only get more and more depressed about them which was major source of his troubles there
At least he always gets back up when gets the chance. And last time I checked Nardo was depressed way longer than Ichigo and Luffy still hasn't changed after Ace's retarded ass death.

But I never heard you guys talk shit about them.
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>>161581833
>peaceful at first
>during the first war they were all criminals and warmongers
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one thing i always wondered

>>161575668
Im pretty sure he got out of his system with fight he had with fisher, iirc didnt he straigt up say that he was more or less at peace with the whole masaki thing afterwards?

>>161575733
No. becasus im pretty sure isshin knew about Ichigo becoming a shninigami and the fight he had with fisher. think about it: if you were in isshin's position would you tell your son about the fag that killed his mom is still alive and well?
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>>161581418
You sound like a butthurt Ichirukifag. When are you guys gonna give up?
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>>161581809
>>161581418
No, the problem was he failed to get both plus Yoruichi and Soi-Fon
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>>161581418
He'll at least enjoy his afterlife
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>>161581218
>Rin wants to kick Satan's ass
>kick Satan's ass
>not kill his father
Yeah that sounds good especially when he couldn't kill those zombies because they were human. He's still a bitch by the way.
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>>161575088
>Ichigo's mom is a quincy
>his dad is a shinigami
>quincies and shinigami hate each other
>their relationship is highly frowned upon by both groups
>it turns out his mom's death could have been easily avoided, but the two groups and their grudge against each other is passively responsible for contributing to her death
>Yhwach could have been pissed at her for quitting the group and ordered all the other quincies to stand down and not save her even though they easily could have
>a member of one of the four noble houses could have been visiting earth at the exact same time. gets attacked by a hollow at the exact same time. Ichigo's dad realizes someone else nearby is getting attacked, he's duty bound to protect the noble, not realizing it was his wife being attacked
>Ichigo finds out all of this and becomes incredibly resentful of the quincies, his father, and even his former acquaintances in the Soul Society
>instead of happily cooperating with shinigami during the Arrancar arc, he pretty much tells them to fuck off and that he'll work alone
>his relationship with Rukia, Renji, and Uryu becomes more strained due to them being shinigami and quincy
>Sado, Orihime, Tatsuki and Ichigo's sisters end up playing a much bigger role because he feels they're the only ones he can trust
>everything culminates with Ichigo coming in between Yhwach and the Soul King. Ichigo flips out on the Soul King about everything from Rukia's almost execution to his mother's death. Soul King says rules are rules, tough luck kiddo. Ichigo's resentment towards Soul Society comes to blows and he stands down letting Yhwach kill the Soul King. Yhwach thinks he won Ichigo over, but Ichigo immediately attacks him
>Yhwach almost kills Ichigo. he has a near death experience and talks to his mom. mom tells him to let go of all the resentment he has. Ichigo wakes up, quickly reconciles with his friends and then finish off Yhwach for good with the power of friendship
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>>161581991
>wanting to be with a filthy shitskin or her salty chink roommate
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>>161575088
His motivation was dead mommy issues.
All he did was to prevent something like that happening again.
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>>161581991
I can see Yoruichi but Soi Fon doesn't like dick obviously. Now Riruka and Nel is a different story.
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>>161582139
Soi-Fon will go wherever Yoruichi does and do whatever she is told to do.
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Sure wish Ichigo's dead mommy issues could've turned into something cool like incestous mommy issues. Evangelion and what not.
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>>161582139
its a shame no one rescued halibel . I would have had hitsugaya do it so he has two titty monsters making his life hell.
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>>161582253
Nel rescued her.
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>>161579961
This, honestly
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>>161582173
>161582173
>>161582173
only thing eva is good for is /ss/ doujins.
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>butthurt Ichirukifags are still around
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>>161582173
Yeah maybe he could've been like Nardo who forgives a nigga that killed his parents or maybe Luffy who has been braindead for 20 years.

Come on stop being a fool to make yourself look cool.
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>>161582577
......what does either of those things have to do with wanting to fuck your dead hot mom?
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>People forget the reincarnation cycle
>Instead of just being absorbed into Yhwach, Ichigos mom just dies and gher energy or whatever is taken instead
>Aizen somehow finds this spirit
>Hollowfies it
>Then makes her an arrancar as part of his Espada
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>>161575088
Muh mom
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>>161582168
Do you think Ichigo would fuck someone uncomfortable with heterosexual intercourse? And besides he has Tatsuki and his sisters for those beautiful foursomes.
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>>161581924
>At least he always gets back up when gets the chance.
That's actually part of the problem. This cycle of
villain appears and beats Ichigo/is mean and manipulative -> Ichigo gets despairs -> friend tells him to stop being a bitch -> Ichigo goes int fighting mode again
Repeated too many times. Ichigo should do something to solve his mental problems once and for all.
>But I never heard you guys talk shit about them.
If you only read Bleach threads, possibly. Otherwise, no way.
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>>161582825
Or just have Yhwach raise her from the dead again as a stern ritter.
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>>161582664
You wanted him to do nasty shit because you're projecting so I suggested what else he could've became.

Also seek help you sick fuck. What the hell is wrong with you?
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>>161582949
I was honestly expecting him to resurrect Gin just to fuck with Aizen.

>>161582901
If Yoruichi tells her she's into it, then she's into it. Also lezbeans was only ever implied in the anime.
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>>161582997
You missed the fact that Aizen wouldn't care and would just smoke his ass without a second thought the moment he showed up.
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>>161582997
>Oh, Gin! Still dead, but this time not imaginary at least.
>How's your new chair, Aizen-san?
Yeah, more Gin and Aizen would be glorious.
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>>161582960
>implying maternal lust isn't a trait inherent to all of mankind
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>>161583138
>Oh, woops, looks like I shot you there in the face a little.
>Haha oh Gin you card!

The ghost mexico side stories in brave souls are the comfiest thing ever.
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>>161583343
inb4 K lab makes GinxAizen legit and Rangiku is forever cucked
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>>161579769
Uhm, I am at that episode right now, it's 60 out of 360 or something. And the manga should be another 300 chapters right? But all I see in bleach discussions and games are his bankai and hollow form, why is no one talking about his other forms ( he surely got one in another 200 episodes I didn't watch yet)? Or what, are you telling me the soul society arc is the only canon thing in the anime?
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>>161583548
>Or what, are you telling me the soul society arc is the only canon thing in the anime?
It basically is, just stop after that point
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>>161583548
He has a total of four canon forms and a bunch of variations on said forms.

There's his default shinigami form.
His several stages of holllowfication.
His several stages of fullbring.
And his mugetsu form.
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>>161583702
I am at the bounter arc right now, and the pacing, story, fights are so boring and utter shit. The only good thing is the vampire waifu.

>>161583705
That's it? I mean, I am at the beginning of the series yet, right? Ichigo will go full super edgy, scars and zorro-like at the end right? I enjoyed the rukia rescuebarc very much, I expect ichigo to learn much more skills and forms and stuff. Also, I hope ishida gets his powers back.
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>>161582944
>Ichigo should do something to solve his mental problems once and for all
He only did this in the Fullbring and Thousand Blood arc so that's twice. The second time only happened because Kubo was frustrated with the bullshit rushing.

>If you only read Bleach threads, possibly
I read all of them and no one ever talks about how Nardo was depressed for about the whole series over a mass murdering idiot and Luffy who contradicted his own development.
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>>161583870
>I expect ichigo to learn much more skills and forms and stuff.
He doesn't. In fact the only two transformations he regularly has access to are bankai and hollowfication. Getsuga Tensho is his only attack power, with like a couple of different variations.
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>>161584438
Then, what? How does he get stronger without learning new skills or forms? Please, PLEASE don't tell me it turns into nakama shit like fairy tail.
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>>161583338
If they're 2d, milfs, and perverted then yeah I'd smash. But stepmoms are always better obviously.
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>>161584438
Read the last arc if you forgot that easily.

>>161584536
There's a thing called being overpowered that let's characters get their wins. And he gets alot of forms and a couple of attacks later on.

Bleach doesn't have dumb shit like nakama powerups though.
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I wish I would have been here when bleach still was a thing, but I always somehow thought it was the edgy brother of gintama or something. I was stupid. Is kubo making a new manga or did he make millions and wants to spend his life on idolmaster now, LIKE ANOTHER FUCKING ASSHOLE? I like his ideas and characters, they feel alive, you can't find this nowadays in manga anymore, it is pretty rare.
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>>161584856
>Bleach doesn't have dumb shit like nakama powerups though
That's all I needed to know, thanks.
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>>161584856
>Read the last arc if you forgot that easily.
The last arc? He gets new Zanpakuto and can fire a little getsuga, a big cross getsuga, and pulls out a new hollow form. And he does the blut thing like once or twice.
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>>161584581
>stepmoms

how can one have taste this pleb?
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>>161575088
Just keep his personality like it was in the first arc
Don't make him an emofag like in the arrancar arc

There, fixed.
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>>161577055
>her mom was a whore
Now her sexy body makes total sense
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>>161577585
>Chad never had much going for him to begin with.
That episode with the parakeet was GOAT
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>>161585188
Does it change? I main him in J stars and I love his character, he feels like zorro to me. He says cool things like, "I'll show you, between now and then, how much I have changed." So I thought he would get super cool later in the anime. But it sucks that he can't use his bankai in the current arc I am anymore.
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>>161578364
>looks just like Naruto
KUBOOOOOOOO
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>>161578629
>Inoue and Chad should not have followed Ichigo into Soul Society.
Fuck off
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Ichigo just kept getting worse. It felt like he was stagnating. His outfit and sword looked dumber after the thing with Ginjo. And then he reforged his sword into two swords which looked even worse. And his Bankai was an ugly piece of shit. And he stopped using his Hollow powers. That Mugetsu thing looked stupid too.

His original Bankai was good in its simplicity.
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>>161583548
Soul Society is the last good canonical thing from the Bleach franchise

After that only the filler is actually good(Bount arc is really good, so is the Zanpakuto one) and everything in the manga after Soul Society is shit
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>>161585435
Liking a character doesn't necessarily mean that they're good. When creating a character, you need to carefully consider the role they have and how they would advance the story. A character who contributes little, yet has a disproportionately large amount of screentime isn't a good thing. Any writer has probably gone through this many times, whether it's a character or an entire scene. Things are left on the cutting room floor for a reason. Characters should serve the story.
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>>161579819
>respecting Bitchigo
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>>161585453
Fuck you mugetsu was awesome.
And the fullbring outfit looked classy and stlish unlike his original outfit which got bland after 200 chapters.
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>>161585532
Chad didn't really get as much screentime as you're saying. If anything the complaint from many is that he doesn't get enough.

As for Orihime her involvement could've been easily been solved by making her a villain but Kubo wussed out.
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>>161581418
Orihime is way way hotter than Rukia(besides he couldn't really marry Rukia because she's a ghost)

Though Ichigo getting with anyone seems implausible considering how much of an asexual faggot he was the entire series and never showed any real interest in Orihime or any other girl.

Other than marrying Orihime Ichigo is entirely shit.
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>>161581991
>A pajeet and a dyke
Nobody cares
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>>161585608
I thought it was stupid. I didn't understand it. To begin with, a sword that's literally part of the hand is a mistake. That sort of set-up won't help in any way. It limits the techniques you can use and is just harder to wield in every capacity. The only advantage is that it makes getting disarmed more difficult. The chain circling around the arm isn't aesthetically pleasing.

But more than that, there's the hair and bandages. Neither of those things have anything to do with Zangetsu, so I don't understand why that happened. Neither the white one nor the black one have bandages or long black hair. I don't understand what any of that was meant to symbolize. If anything, the other form, the one with the horned mask, was better. At the very least, it's clear what it was supposed to accomplish.
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>>161585698
Chad's less of an issue, though I think he still had more focus than needed. See, it all adds up. If it were just Chad there would be no reason to complain, but since every other captain and vice captain got their own turn in the spotlight, often complete with a somewhat lengthy flashback, it all mixes together to form a messy hodgepodge of of irrelevance.

I think it would have been cool if Inoue would have become a villain too. Like she's the vessel of some dark time goddess sealed away by Soul Society or something. Having that sort of scenario would have been great for Ichigo as well. Instead, what we got was little more than a red herring and overall waste of time.
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>>161584438
It basically boils down to "muh power level", literal asspulls and his Hollow(later retconned to Zangetsu) keeps saving his ass multiple times

It's literal garbage and Ichigo turns into a shit fighter after Soul Society who wins with literal asspulls like Final Getsuga Tensho.
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>>161585699
>besides he couldn't really marry Rukia because she's a ghost
So was Isshin when he married Masaki.
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>>161585862
Meant for
>>161584536
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Ichigo also has a really bland powerset. His main ability is to shoot beams. And his secondary ability is to go fast. I don't think it's possible to have a more boring set of abilities.
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>>161584983
You act like he didn't do or learn shit the whole arc. Also you forgot this beautiful move.
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>>161585331
What J Stars? J Star Victory the recent game from 2-3 years ago?
If so that's his later personality

His personality in the first arc is more like Yusuke lite from YuYu Hakusho
He turns into a boring personalityless emofag after Soul Society
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>>161585945
"Beautiful", huh? That's now how I'd describe it. I personally found that form to be really disappointing. Not even slightly pleasing to the eyes.
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>>161585889
But are the asspulls at least fun? I already watched nearly 100 episodes, I will finish the anime and read the mango, after fairy tail, there is nothing left in this world that can make me feel disappointed.
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>>161585076
Stepmoms are great cuz you're cucking your pappy out of pussy he didn't smash yet.

Fucking a 3D bitch who your father already fucked is absolutely disgusting. Step your game up kouhai.
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There is one thing that bothers me about Ichigo. If he's part Quincy, how come he never did any Quincy things?
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>>161585945
>You act like he didn't do or learn shit the whole arc
No, I just listed what he did do. I did forget about the Gran Rey Cero though.
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>>161585984
>But are the asspulls at least fun?
Not really.
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>>161585565
>Posts Bejita-sama
>Talking shit
Isn't he still a chronic jobber?
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>>161585965
Yeah, I meant j stars victory (where the hell is the new one?)
Well, being yusuke 2.0 would be boring too though. I don't want him to be emo, I want him to be edgy and serious. Well I am stoked to have left this one out, it's fun getting in long running series like this.
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>>161585532
Fuck you they were still good back then
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>>161586016
Your earlier post depicted something different though.
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>>161586066
That's Evil Vegeta when he was still a good character before Tori ruined him
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>>161586127
Did he do more than get new zanpakuto, a couple of more getsugas, use the blut a couple of times, pull out a new hollow form, and fire a cero?
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>>161586109
What, exactly, did Chad contribute beyond being friends with Ichigo? And how would the story suffer from his absence?
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>>161585984
Ichigo's asspulls are dull an uninspired. Mayuri's asspulls are actually fun.
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>>161585862
He's always been a shit fighter.
Even in SS arc he rushed bankai like an autist and then ended up jobbing to Byakuya.
He also fought Kenpachi instead of running away like a bigger autist and had to be bailed out by Yhwach.

>>161585744
Long black hair has always been Zangetsu's thing. bandages are just for the edge I suppose.
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>>161585980
It was beautiful because everyone on the planet wanted Ichigo to finally use a cero and he does the evolved version of it.

The move would've been better if Juha Bach didn't cancel it out.
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>>161586231
The old man's hair was never that long. Neither was the younger one's. The white one has the length, but not the color.
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>>161586080
Well he's kind of a lighter version of Yusuke.
He has that punk-ish personality going on and says edgy things to Hollows from time to time but he has a heart of gold and protects people. He's just a more fun character overall.

After Soul Society they pretty much changed his personality completely and kinda used part of his old punk-ish personality and amplified it to the extreme for his Inner Hollow form.

The first arc of Bleach was also kinda like YuYu's first arc where it's different from the rest of the series before it goes full-on typical battle shonen. IMO the first arc with it's action/horror-comedy monster of the week episodic style was the best part of the series and much better than anything that came after it.
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>>161585453
I like OG Ichigo with his original XBOX HUEG sword when he was still using Rukia's powers the best
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>>161586167
>Getsuga Tensho is his only attack power, with like a couple of different variations
That's what you said so I thought you forgot the whole last arc homie.
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>>161575088
To try and fix the hell that is the soul society. Bastards were going to kill him and use him as the next soul king. And it's a hell for everyone who doesn't go to reincarnation.

>Shunsui and Ichibee initially planned to make Ichigo the next Soul King. They would have cut him up. Shunsui didn't like it much, Ichibee didn't care. He only trained Ichigo for that in the first place and honestly didn't expect him to win. He joked that the only downside would be that it would be a bit boring if Ichigo could not speak for all eternity. That's also what the soul tickets were there for.
>The reason he did not become the linchpin was, because Yhwach had decided to change his plans and absorb the Soul King after seeing Mimihagi out of fear that he could be devoured by his father. Ukitake's sacrifice and Yhwach's plans saved Ichigo.
>The history and origins of Soul Society are all based on lies.
>The actions of Squad Zero regarding the truth and the Soul King will be judged in ten (the epilogue) or 100 (when Soul Society is going to have 100 days without night thanks to Ichibee) years
>The ancestors of the five noble families committed an original sin regarding the Spirit King and it is their will that Squad Zero obeys to, not the Spirit King. It's one of the reasons why Aizen was so angry at the end of Deicide. Shunsui himself hates the ancestors and Ichibee.

https://www.reddit.com/r/bleach/comments/6qtfn6/post_manga_masterpost_part_2/
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>>161586149
Oh fuck I forgot how competent he was until after the Namek saga. Well that happened because Toriyama hated him just like Toei.
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>>161585871
>So was Isshin when he married Masaki.
No he wasn't. He teased the fuck out of Rangiku in flashbacks.
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>>161585984
>But are the asspulls at least fun?
No

>I already watched nearly 100 episodes
Watch another 5(conclusion of Bount arc) and drop it
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>>161586285
The Zangetsu in Ichigo is just a projection of Yhwach and Yhwach's hair was that long.
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>>161586195
What are the asspulls again? I don't think their that many asspulls though.
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>>161586486
Yeah for some reason Tori hated him. Some fan once wrote him a message begging him not to kill Vegeta and in response he had Freeza beat the shit out of Vegeta and kill him.

Vegeta should have stayed dead in Namek
After Namek he's fucking horrible.
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>>161586403
Aizen, Ginjo, and Yhwach dindu nuffin. I'd go as far as to call them the heroes.
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>>161586231
>He's always been a shit fighter.
He was more of an entertaining fighter then and he tried much harder is what I mean.

His fights were just more entertaining then.
After Soul Society he just abuses the hollow mask like a pussy non-stop I fucking hate that.
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>>161586231
>had to be bailed out by Yhwach.
Bullshit retcon.
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>>161586530
>drop it
I can't, it's too good. I can't wait for them to fight aizen.
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>>161586530
>>161586665
And i am not gay, but aizen seems like gold husbando material. I bet the fujos loved bleach, didn't they?
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>>161586575
Aizen's still an ass and Ginjo's no villain but he aint a hero. Yhwach's the only actual hero in the entire series seeing as his plans were basically to recreate the garden of eden to bring end to all of humanity's problems.
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>>161586665
Ok don't say I didn't warn you
Have fun watching another 200 episodes(which are mostly shit) until they get to him

Bount arc was filler btw but it's literally better than anything from the Manga canon after Soul Society which is kinda sad. Don't expect Ichigo/Byakuya vs Kariya to be topped after this.
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>>161586622
That's what I hate about you guys. You get mad at Ichigo for doing shit literally EVERYONE does.

For example, Goku in Super and I bet you miss the hollow mask most of all.
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>>161586697
>I bet the fujos loved bleach, didn't they?
Many times when Bleach fell in the rankings Kubo would do a Hitsugaya chapter
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>>161586648
Nah this is one of the few things in the series that's actually been foreshadowed from the get go.

>>161586622
He uses it to make up for the power he lost because of the shinigami badge.
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>>161586745
>Goku in Super
Umm what are you trying to prove here
Goku in Super is utter shit so is Dragon Ball Super in general

Ichigo abusing the hollow mask was shit because it showed weakness. You shouldn't use your last resort at the beginning of the fucking fight like Ichigo often did in the Arrancar arc for example
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>>161586770
>Nah this is one of the few things in the series that's actually been foreshadowed from the get go.
>This is how delusional Kubofags are
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>>161586740
>Don't expect Ichigo/Byakuya vs Kariya to be topped after this
The only thing good about that was Ichigo interacted with everyone alot more in the filler but Ichigo vs Grimmjow was the best fight because it's too good.
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>>161586824
It wasn't a last resort though.

He needed it just to keep up at all because the shinigami badge gimped him of most of his power.
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>>161586740
>>161586855
Also, when does the anime go 16:9? The 4:3 hurts my fucking eyes. Oh, and I never see anyone talk about it but, how are the movies?
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>>161586622
I don't know how you can even attempt to describe Ichigo's first three fights in the Soul Society as "entertaining".

They were basically excuses for this inexperienced teenager to power-up continuously to fight these battle hardened death gods who are centuries old .
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>>161586845
Did you like not read the introduction for Zangetsu in the manga or something?
Even those who'd often call out Kubo on his bullshit would agree that it was foreshadowed.
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>>161586855
>Ichigo vs Grimmjow
Literal trash
Ichigo vs Byakuya was far better
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>>161586824
>You shouldn't use your last resort at the beginning of the fucking fight like Ichigo often did in the Arrancar arc
Everyone who had a Bankai would use it quick as hell. And Ichigo only used it once immediately in a fight while the other times were Bankai time.

Also guys like

>Nardo using sage mode and nine tails mode because he's fucking weak
>Luffy using Gear 4 now every fucking time
>Toriko can't even control his damn demons but they're always there

did the same shit.
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>>161587035
Ichigo vs Byakuya was also garbage.
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>>161586863
Bullshit
He had that fucking badge through the Soul Society arc and that shit never happened then
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>>161586903
>The 4:3 hurts my fucking eyes.
You need to be 18 to post here
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>>161587071
Are you an autist?

It was handed to him by Ukitake after Aizen left.
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>>161587111
What? Are you seriously saying you like 4:3? It's the reason why I avoid rewatching shaman king and prefer reading the manga
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>>161586923
Ichigo vs Ikkaku, Ichigo vs Zaraki, Ichigo vs Byakuya
All these 3 fights were top notch from a choreography standpoint and also from a plot standpoint which made them much more exciting

This is not even counting all the fights he had against the hollows in the first arc which were a ton of fun to watch
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>>161587039
>Everyone who had a Bankai would use it quick as hell.
No they fucking didn't.
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So, is the soul society arc really the peak of bleach, or is there something coming close to it? I am going to watch it anyway but I want to know, should I expect anything good again?
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>>161584403
Wut? Naruto was so shot it was an unspoken rule for a long as time to never make a thread about it and even when the faggot mods decided it was allowed all people did was made fun how bad it was.

>he was the coolest guy
>yeah...sorry
Was memed for months
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>>161587165
Like I said you need to be 18 to post here

There's nothing wrong with 4:3 you widescreen baby. In fact 4:3 has advantages such as framing being far easier in 4:3 especially when it comes to animation

Mankin anime being 4:3 is the least of it's problems(the major problem is it doesn't follow the manga that much...though on it's own it's decent...the jap version at least)
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>>161586903
When the Arrancar arc starts. And for the movies

>1 was great and a goddamn tragedy
>2 was decent and has alot of Hitsugaya if you love him
>3 was pretty good and has alot of Rukia if you want to fap
>4 was my personal favorite and has alot of action and great animation if you're into that. Kubo hated it because Studio Pierrot went against what he wanted
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>>161587068
That fight was top-tier
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>>161587039
Good thing we're talking about bleach then and not about other anime stop trying to deflect criticism and distract people because you have no leg to stand on.
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>>161584403
>no one ever talks about how Nardo was depressed for about the whole series over a mass murdering idiot
Bullshit. And just because Nardo is shit doesn't mean Ichigo is any better.

>Ichigo is shit
>B-but anon Naruto is shit too
I don't get these millennial-tier arguments
Like what the fuck is that supposed to mean?
Just because another another character is bad doesn't mean that Ichigo is suddenly good
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>>161587068
I just watched it today, and I was so happy to see something original again after all these new shitty anime and mangas from the past years.

>>161587298
If 16:9 animation is harder, why should I care? I am not animating it, am I? I hate 4:3 because it's outdated, its old technology, it doesn't work anymore, nor on television or any other kind of media. I grew up with 4:3 fag, and I hate I will never see digimon or Hokuto no ken in 16:9
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>>161587174
Ichigo vs Ikkaku and Zaraki are pointless affairs where Ichigo just gets destroyed and turns it around out of nowhere to win in an instant. Renji was also another example of this. I guess I meant the first three inside that Shinigami stronghold.
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>>161587201
>Byakuya
>Renji
>Komamura
>Hitsugaya
>Mayuri

All used their Bankai almost immediately and in every battle. It's the truth so don't lie.
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>>161587134
Bullshit retcon and you know it.
At the time Ukitake gave him that badge Kubo never planned for that(it was originally just meant to be a normal badge) and only retconned it later.
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>>161578023
The problem is that his goals aren't really his own, they're forced upon him. When Rukia is taken for execution, he has to rescue her, when Orihime get's kidnapped, he has to rescue her, when the Arrancar and Aizen attempts to enter heaven, he has to stop them, when the Nazi's attack, he has to stop them as well. This is rather simplified, but you get the point. The only instance I can remember him choosing his goal is in the Fullbring arc where he tries to get his powers back, which basically just means he want to be strong when he's forced to fight again.

Being reactive isn't inherently a bad thing in writing, but having a main character that's almost solely reactive only works for certain stories, usually those where the world is the bigger focus.

It's simply not very compelling to follow a main character like that. You're just waiting for the next bad thing to happen. It doesn't have to be a grand quest like in One Piece where there's an ultimate goal. Take Zangetsu for example, if Ichigo discovered a little bit of it's nature, leading to a investigation because he wants to know what's up.
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>>161587307
Nice, thanks anon will watch, if there are blurays I'd like to buy one.
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>>161587486
It's not outdated you dumb millennial
4:3 is an objectively superior aspect ratio to 16:9 in many regards
Like for example the fact that you have more vertical space, you can do more with the frame, characters can be bigger etc.

Now go back to a site where under-18 retards like you are allowed such as >>>/r/eddit/
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>>161587500
>Ichigo vs Ikkaku and Zaraki are pointless affairs where Ichigo just gets destroyed and turns it around out of nowhere to win in an instant.
More like they're exciting as fuck close fights where an underdog newbie(Ichigo) fights some strong Soul Society members
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>>161587395
But why would you complain about him when everyone does it? Its like saying "why does Ichigo always get stronger forms?" when that's a fucking staple of shonen.

That's the definition of redundancy.
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>>161587516
Byakuya used Senzonbakura immediately?
I thought he destroyed Ichigo with a Shunpo Slash in his first appearance.
And only when pushed by Ichigo in SS arc did he use it.
Renji? He didn't even have Bankai at first
Mayuri has a ton of gizmos and shit going for him

Either way none of these other character after the get their development finished are any better than Ichigo so what's your point.
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>>161587617
I am born in 1998.
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>>161587267
Here's the thing, I often hear it praised as such but even then it isn't really good when you examine it closer. It's just that it barrages you with some admittedly cool character designs and abilities in a relatively short span of time, drops a big plot twist part way through and waved a lot of future promise around.

Really, I think it was all that potential and all the new mysteries and future plot points that propped it up rather than any strong merit of it's own.
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>>161587763
>1998
You might as well be under 18
Only millennial faggots bitch about aspect ratio
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>>161587669
Because again this is a bleach discussion and not a shonen discussion if you don't like that then fuck right off back to /R/eddit.
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>>161587426
>And just because Nardo is shit doesn't mean Ichigo is any better
Everyone is better than Nardo because he's in his own league of shittiness.

But maybe I'm just pissed because Ichigo always get shitted on compared to anyone else. He's not great but he's not that bad.
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>>161587767
Only plebs praise it as the peak of Bleach
The peak of Bleach was the first arc

That said Soul Society was the last good arc in the manga
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>>161587802
Ichigo is just boring as shit after Soul Society arc
Then again all Bleach characters suck after that but characters like Ichigo and Orihime had it the worst.
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>>161587787
Goddammit dude, watching 4:3 anime on a huge TV looks fucking atrocious, with all the black borders on the site, it looked better when TVs were made for 4:3. Don't you understand? Your technology is outdated, dead, left behind by humanity. It just simply doesn't work anymore.
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>>161587796
It doesn't matter what the topic of the discussion is since other series can be brought in for sake of the argument.

Maybe you should go back to /r/eddit if you can't handle some sensible banter.
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>>161587730
With Zommari, Tsukishima, and Yammy he always used it quickly or all the time. Like Captain, like lieutenant.
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I miss Bleach
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>>161587860
You're acting like no one developed at all. Komamura, Byakuya, Mayuri, and Kyoraku all got great development if you read the series.
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>>161587911
What the fuck does the 4:3 ratio have to do with any of that you idiot? You realizes that aspect ratio existed before TV's were even a thing right?

Pillarboxing sucks yeah(I hope we get transformable displays in the future so we don't have to put up with that shit...I don't mind Letterboxing but Pillarboxing is much worse) but that's what we have to put up with for the industry pushing shitty memes like widescreen TV's into our homes
I pray to god they don't start pushing 21:9 as mainstream because that will be even more retarded.

CRT's aren't outdated at all actually. High end PC CRT monitors/CRT projectors still have yet to be matched in terms of black level, colors, motion clarity, refresh rate, input lag and the ability to support multiple resolutions natively. It's fucking pathetic.
Please don't talk about tech as if you understand it because you clearly don't know anything about it.
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>>161578686
If anything, he'd stay on SS' side to have an excuse to fight Ichigo over and over again. Hell, he'd probably attack him on sight at that point in the story, if not actively hunt him down, specifically.
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>>161587921
What argument Bleach can't be shit because other series does it too? Well good news they're all shit so maybe you should argue the merits about the t
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>>161588032
Byakuya is not the MC and he doesn't really get as much focus anywanys. He's a side-character.

He would have gotten more focus and more attention to him if Kubo didn't keep making millions of characters.
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>>161588157
I'm not talking like I know a thing, I am just saying what I think, as long as you don't have a 4:3 TV, watching 4:3 on a 16:9 TV is hurting my eyes.
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>>161588128
Byakuya didn't develop past Soul Society
Komamura's development was basically "Im a stupid bear thing"
Mayuri remained an asshole the entire series
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>>161585992
All of the powers he used in his bankai form were quincy powers that were powered up by white and sealed by his quincy powers.

HIs sword while released in bankai was as dull as a brick because it was always eternally sheathed in the black energy of the bastard of the king of souls yhwach.

The closest he ever came to using his true unrestrained bankai, using the full power of white, was during his fight with ulquirra.

There's a reason why his hollow forms are always white with odd touches of black here and there.
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>>161588250
Fair enough but that's not a flaw with the 4:3 aspect ratio itself.
Get an old cheapo 4:3 LCD monitor for 4:3 content if it bothers you that much.

God they need to make transformable displays already
Samsung showed a demo of a transformable TV in CES 2016 which looked promising
It shows a giant TV physically transforming from 16:9 to 21:9
Skip to 2:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LNnTiEgx5U
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>>161588460
That looks great, but doesn't the resolution change if you change the aspect ratio?
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>>161588271
They all developed nicely actually.

Byakuya vs Ichigo
>Realized protecting the family is more important than protecting law your family cherished

Byakuya vs Zommari
>Views Rukia as his pride and loved one

Byakuya vs Yammy
>Tells Ichigo to go save Karakura Town becuase he now has faith in the human he used to hate

Byakuya vs Tsukishima
>Considers anyone who harms Ichigo a sworn enemy and learn to enjoy the heat of battle

Byakuya vs As Nodt
>Entrusts Ichigo with the safety of the Soul Society and admits he was powerless to do anything

Basically in every battle he gets a piece of development. For Komamura, reread his fights again and Mayuri finally started to care for the Soul Society and Nemu especially.

Your hatred blinded you once again.
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>>161588781
If you change 16:9 1080p to 4:3 1080p it's the same as pillarboxing. It's 1080p in 4:3(1440x1080 as opposed to 1920x1080)
Switching from 16:9 1080p to 21:9 might result into something like 1920x800 picture or something like that

It's a shame that modern TV's went with fixed pixels instead of continuing with non-fixed pixels like CRT's. Now old shows/movies on DVD don't look that great on modern TV's because of upscaling...and even the best upscaling algorithms out there never manage to match the sharpness/quality of the original resolution.
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>>161588234
Refer to>>161588999
He got enough development.
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>>161588999
>admits he was powerless to do anything
That's not character regression not development. That's just Kubo's way of shoving him even more into the background.
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>>161575319
Autistic manchildren can't relate to a character unless they state their goals every other episode
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>>161589058
Ichigo has no goals or personality
He's just a blank vessel
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>>161588228
The treatment of Bleach after all this time is tedious to be honest. It's just stupid to hate one series but ignore everything else but Bleach is still better than most shonen.

But of course you would disagree.
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Ishida should have been the protagonist.
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>>161589056
>That's not character regression not development
Which is it? And it is development because Byakuya is very prideful yet understands he wasn't enough and gives a human the duty to do what he could not.

He was gonna die originally as well so of course he would go into the background but he was still competent.
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>>161589205
>Bleach is still better than most shonen.
No it isn't
It's clear you haven't read much
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>>161589314
Meant to say it's character regression
Making Byakuya take a backseat is hardly development. FFS he's a captain and he needs to be able to protect Soul Society. Making him give up is counterproductive.

Him dying would actually be better.
But again Kubo made way too many characters and couldn't devote enough time to any of them
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>>161589473
>Him dying would actually be better
He was getting death threats so he had to. But almost all the characters got their time to shine in the last arc.

An anime adaption will make everything better if it gets greenlit.
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>>161575088
His goals are to keep his family friends and town safe while having to deal with a bunch of bullshit that fell into his lap.
Later on he realizes that a lot of stuff that's happened to him doesn't add up and seems to form a pattern.
He has to figure out what's going on and if what he's doing is the right thing or the logical thing.
It will be a fight between his hero/protector complex and his logical mind.
He'll first start to question things because he actually survives in a battle against people that are light years out of his league because of his power and they both ignore this and pretend like it's nothing special. He knows that there's no way in fuck he should have won and wonder about his powers and how they survived.

Aizen saying something cryptic to him during his escape. I've known about you from the moment you were born "little prince" before saying something about someone unworthy being upon the throne.
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>>161586704
>I'll save them... by killing them
no and in the end he was nothing but a mustache twirling villain threatening to kill ichigo and his family at their happiest moments
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>>161589638
>An anime adaption
Forget it. Japan doesn't give a shit anymore.
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>>161589400
I'll give you a rundown on this shit.

>Fairy Fail
>Nardo
>Soul Eater
>Shokugeki no Soma-kun
>Tokyo Ghoul:re is basically that
>Black Clover
>Terrar Formars is basically that
>Seven Deadly Sins
>Toriko

There's other shit out there but I forgot most of them. If you think otherwise than there's no hope man.
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>>161589941
fairy tail is by far the worst in that entire list
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>>161589762
With the live action coming up it might be possible but Shuiesha are just jackasses.

I think since Kishimoto allowed them to milk his retarded shit out and Kubo didn't, they just shun him out for not complying.
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>>161589941
Literally kill yourself you 14 year old
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>>161590002
I used to think Nardo was far worse with the coolest guy bullshit but those last Acnologia chapters fucked my brain cells up.

The pairings made me vomit even more.
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>>161590259
Is there a problem bitch? The list is even shittier than you.
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>>161575491
You do know everything would collapse right? There's a reason wgy they have to sacrifice lives
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>>161575088
To become the strongest Shinigami, there, I fixed it. That's the cliche most shounen anime use, and most of the time it works. It would have worked for Bleach as well, and technically Ichigo did become very stronger, not sure if I'd say the strongest but Ichigo had no desire to become the strongest, he only cared about getting strength to protect, which was boring.

When he obtained Final Getsuga mode, that was the only time Ichigo was really badass in my eyes. If he had kept that form/attitude for most of the series he would have been a lot cooler and interesting.
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>>161590509
I believe ichigo was stronger than all the squad captains. And thats before bankai hollow mode.
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>>161589941
Soma is actually better than Bleach
You haven't actually read shit just new gen garbage
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>>161590657
>I believe ichigo was stronger than all the squad captains
Nope
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>>161580181
BEST GIRLS
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>>161590509
>To become the strongest Shinigami, there, I fixed it.
The moment that ichigo gained his own zanpaktou he was pretty much strong enough to tank and probably beat the captain commander if Yhwach wasn't being a faggot and sealing his true zanpaktou powers behind his quincy bullshit.

If he had gained his true bankai during the rukia rescue arc it would have become a one sided stomp with SS being reduced to fucking rubble.
Even Zaraki would have gotten murdered because he'd have been dumb enough to not actually TRY and let him get a first attack.
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>>161591150
>Soifon.
>On the same tier as Nemu, Kukaku and Nelliel
Get a load of this faggot.
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>>161591150
Update that shit Karin is an absolute tittymonster now.
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>>161591180
>The moment that ichigo gained his own zanpaktou he was pretty much strong enough to tank and probably beat the captain commander
No he fucking wasn't and that quincy shit is a dumb retcon that Kubo made up 10 years after the fact
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>>161591180
Also don't forgot that Ichigo stood on equal ground with Zaraki and managed to gravely wound him. Zaraki even praised Ichigo as well, and during their fight Ichigo was still a somewhat of a fledgling and yet he managed to pretty much defeat one of the strongest captains by himself so early in the series. Plus he defeated Byakuya as well, so really when you think about it he was pretty damn strong compared to most of the SS captains.

He beat Renji, Byakuya, Zaraki, Ikkaku, as well as some of the strongest espada as well. I still don't think Ichigo could have been Urahara or Shunsui. I still think Urahara is the strongest, but then again Ichigo did beat Aizen, something that I'm not sure even Urahara could do. Well Urahara did put that sealing ability on him, and Urahara didn't even use his bankai or anything so Urahara probably could have beaten him.

Ichigo is still pretty high ranking compared to shinigami power level, not at that top though.
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>>161591387
>Plus he defeated Byakuya as well
This never happened
Aizen showed up and interrupted the fight
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>>161591336
For the love of god, man, give me pics.
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>>161591491
Go check the last chapter again
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>>161591441
Oh come on, even Byakuya admitted he lost. It was Ichigo's win.
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>>161591603
Well not an official win but ok
If you really wanna credit Ichigo's wins during that arc due to his Quincy retcon bullshit like you said here >>161591180 than that makes his character development in Soul Society arc seem underwhelming.

It's sad that Ichigo never was as cool again after that arc. That moment where he beats 3 vice-captains with his bare hand still remains his last true badass moment.
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>>161591018
>Soma-kun better than Bleach
>Where only three fucking characters are relevant and the cooking is boring shit
You could said the best manga from the list which is Seven Deadly Sin. But your taste is shitty and should be cleaned.
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>>161591150
Put Kukaku in tier 1, bump Lisa, Bambi, Giselle, and Unagiya up a tier or two, and knock soifon down a bit, and you're golden.
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>>161591673
>That moment where he beats 3 vice-captains with his bare hand still remains his last true badass moment
I'm starting to think that Ichigo got into the real world and fucked all your bitches.

I mean he beats most of his enemies and gets the baddest bitch in the series but you still say stupid shit like this.
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>>161587542
>he has to rescue her
He doesn't though, she even tells him not to. It's a choice he made for himself.
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I wish Bleach ended with no shipping faggotory.
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>>161591784
Erina, Soma, Pajeet, Mad Dog, Azami, Jou, Tsubasa, Takumi etc. that's far more than 3 characters
The cooking is actually more interesting than the average Bleach fight post-SS

7DS is absolute dogshit.
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>>161592115
The pairings were so obvious though. There was no way Orihime wouldn't get with him after her confession. I don't get people that genuinely thought he would end up alone or with any other girl.
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>>161591964
>being this much of a butthurt Bleachfag
top kek
and he didn't actually beat shit, it was Ishida who beat Ywach in the end with his asspull magic arrow
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>>161592132
most of the characters you listed are shit though and soma gets 98% of the matches. tsukada is even worse with handling a large cast.
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>>161591966
>It's a choice he made for himself.
Bullshit. What was he supposed to do? Say "meh fuck this bitch"?

If you're referring to Rukia he literally owed her for saving his family.
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>>161591372
During the fucking fight ichigo partially slipped into using white/hollowification and he outright raped byakuya.
And he's one of the strongest fucking captains there.

During the fucking HM arc he was on par with and even stronger then all of the Viziard.

In the HM arc we saw his true nature and what was theorized by litterally everyone as his real bankai.

Also, it's been shown that Old man zangetsu has been keeping white under wraps this entire time.

So, if zangetsu wasn't holding white back/filtering his power when he used bankai.
Then the SS arc would have been a massacre.

In my opinion. Most of the adventures that happened in the series was to lure ichigo into favorable positions so that he could learn to control his powers one at a time.

>>161591387
Exactly. Now imagine if he had fucked up used white's full power during the SS arc.
It would have become a full on massacre.
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>>161592175
They're better than the average Bleach character by far.
And Soma's cast is nowhere near as big as Bleach's.

Soma himself >>>>>>>>> Ichigo anyday.
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>>161592215
>During the fucking fight ichigo partially slipped into using white/hollowification and he outright raped byakuya.
I credit Hollow Ichigo for that who is batshit insane and had an unpredictable fighting style not Ichigo

And like I said that "holding back" shit is a dumb retcon just like Zangetsu being Hollow Ichigo and the old Zangetsu being Ywach
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>>161592230
I disagree, but to each their own.
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>>161592147
Anon I could care less about the shipping but seeing the Bleach community so anal about shipping pisses me off. Half my damn otp is dead and I wanted a decent fight in the end. Fuck Shueisha for the shit they did to Kubo. They should have let the man end the shit on his terms. So many fights we didn't get to see finish and that makes me angry.
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>>161575088
Just let it go already faggots.
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>>161592316
>still pushing this meme
Even if Kubo was axed then he still would've known months in advance. Stop blaming others for his piss-poor pacing and the fact that he can't handle a large cast. I love Bleach, but have no problems admitting what went wrong.
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>>161592316
>Fuck Shueisha for the shit they did to Kubo.
You mean actually giving him the chance to become rich? Yeah fuck Shueisha.

You bleachtards are fucking idiots.
Just admit it, Kubo is shit. He was given 700 chapters in no way was he ever rushed.
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>>161585941
He could -Be Strong- and -Go Fast- then you wouldn't have shiny hollow spectacle to fall back on.
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>>161589058
The guy has a personality of a brick.
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>>161592200
Honestly he was just cleaning up after her. Purging hollows is her job and his whole family almost died because she chose that night to be incompetent. Though that was mainly due to a couple different schemes going off that night.

But yes, he very easily could have just let her be executed. That's an option that was available to him that he didn't choose because he's not that kind of guy.
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>>161592276
Did you miss the thing about the horse and the king?
The entire viziard training arc?
He wrongly attributed to white his hollow powers but never for one second thought about why white could use the zanpaktou better then he could.

His personality is basically his punk pre-SS arc personality dialed up to 100. He never truly recognizes that and never acknowledges it fully.

He used a piss poor compromise by mimicing the viziard and sealing away white and using his power in a piece meal way.

If he had simply acknowledged the truth of who and what he was then he'd have been far more powerful and would not have lost full control of his power and fighting instinct.
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>>161575088
He always wanted to protect those close to him, because his mom died when he couldn't do anything. That's why he was so grateful to Rukia and the whole getting shinigami powers bullshit. That's why he was sad losing those powers. His goal was always clear cut.
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>>161592638
>Honestly he was just cleaning up after her.
From his perspective that's not how it was at all.
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>>161592230
>Soma > or = than anything
He's a fucking faggot and you like him? Typical faggot.
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>>161592646
>Did you miss the thing about the horse and the king?
It just meant that the Hollow inside him want to take over Ichigo completely. Nothing to do with Ywach. Try harder Kubofag.
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>>161593974
And Ichigo isn't a fag?
Sorry but at least Soma is entertaining and never turned to shit like Ichigo.
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>>161592161
He killed Juha Bach you fucking retard. All you bastards do is hate on this series with bullshit arguments like I give a shit.
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>>161594008
How is ketchup asspulls and stomping everyone entertaining? Also he's fucking Orihime and got a son out of it while Soma-kun is getting creampied by Kuga.
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Kubo should really just team up with a writer, so he can focus on art and designs. He can come up with characters and the basic idea about them, but he should leave the actual story to a more competent writer.
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>>161592215
>>161592276
>Oh wow he's using Zangetsu in ways I never even thought about... better not ever try any of those out.
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>>161592410
Kubo is not that shit but what Bleach devolved into is what Jump wanted, a generic shounen. Kubo's problem is rehashing the same plot elements and creating new characters when dealing with writers block.
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>>161575088
He's a shounen protagonist, he fights FOR HIS FRIENDS.
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O MY HOGYOKO
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>>161592638
He really didn't choose, his morals and ethics just won't allow him to let her die like it's nothing. It was very established Ichigo value other's well being over his own, and he's already risked his life multiple times before, doing it again didn't affected his determination.

Saying he could easily let her be executed is like saying most doctors could easily let a patient die.

Sure, it may be an option, but it's practically meaningless because it should realistically never be a choice Ichigo would even consider.
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>>161586697
Bleach, for the hot male characters tha it has, it has never been big in fujoshi following, and the pairings most popular were different in the West and in Japan At the beginning, the most popular pairing was Urahara x Ichigo (in Japan). During the manga late stages it was Shunsui x Ukitake the most popular pairing, people don't even mind that Shunsui shows continually that he likes women.
In the West, Grimmjow x Ichigo has been the most popular (in Japan is not really popular)
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>>161575088
Juggling
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