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What pairing has been blackballed harder than Goku x Chi-Chi

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Here is the infamous interview of Toriyama from Saikyou; Jump #3, 2014 where he basically said Goku doesn't give a shit about his family:

Jump:
>Since Saiyans are supposed to have no affection for family or friends, does this actually make Vegeta, who holds his family and wife dear, an even stranger (kinder) Saiyan than Goku?


Toriyama:
>Vegeta, whose pride had been deeply wounded, sought help from Bulma, and little by little, his ruthless personality changed. Nowadays, you certainly might be able to say that [Vegeta holds his family and wife dear]. On the other hand, Goku might not have a sense of family members like Gohan and Chi-Chi except as one of his companions.


>Normally, Saiyans don’t have much of a notion of romance or marriage, and apart from the royal family of Vegeta, they aren’t particular about blood-relationships. Being in among all that, I suppose you could say that the pair of Bardock and Gine were those rare Saiyans who were joined by a bond other than for reproductive purposes.
Since then we had such shocking reveals like Goku talking shit about Gohan for not being at the tournament (behind his back no less... like a hoe), not knowing what kissing is, doesn't care that Black killed his family in the manga, and wasn't even around for his unborn children (Goten is understandable but Gohan...?!).
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>>161505059
>blackballed
That's not a thing.
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>>161505059
Vegeta x Bulma
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>>161505059
No wonder Chi-Chi's such a bitch.
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Would Goku care if Chi-Chi cheated on him?
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>>161506958
Probably not.
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>>161506958
I guess he'll fight the guy then fuck chichi over the corpse
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>>161506958
I doubt it
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>>161507007
Would Goku film Chi-Chi having sex with another man if she asked?
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>>161505059
Man fuck Goku right he's never given his wife a second thought :^)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Y9hlF0ad_2M
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>>161505059
Notice how in Z Goku appears to care a lot for Gohan (at least until the Buu saga, where he barely gives Goten any attention). When Raditz kidnaps Gohan, Goku flips his shit. When Cell shows up, Goku acts fatherly and tries to get Gohan to believe in himself.

I honestly believe that part of why Super is so shit is because Toriyama, after nearly 20 years of not writing Dragonball, developed a distorted view of his own characters and then applied it as if it were the case all along. If you were to show him Z and the original Dragonball, his reaction would probably be "That's not Goku [raughs]".

>>161505126
Blue balls are what happens when you get aroused without release.
Black balls are what happens when your balls are cut off from your bloodstream and develop necrosis.
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>>161505059
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/2000121-anime-and-manga-other-titles/75702426
Hi, "DBZAOTA482".
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>>161507115
He'd probably get bored and leave.
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>>161507181
This makes a lot of sense actually. Even in the original series in the second arc Goku not only befriends an android begging for mercy finding him a better home but also uses his grandfather's that revolved around the entirety of fighting the Red Ribbon army just to wish someone he just met father back to life. In fact when the series was trying to movie on from Goku (after cell sacrifice) he states a lot of the bad things that happen to earth happen because he attracts so much attention and decides to give up his life to ensure a better life for everyone
>LMAO Goku is hiring a hitman onto himself
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>>161507181
So Tori basically let the memeing to get to his head?
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>>161507181
>>161507485

Toriyama made Super because he was buttblasted after Evolution movie, one thing that bothered him is that in the movie the whole dragonball universe is a backstory and it all boils down to good vs evil, so he wants to make goku "grey area".

Ofc if you ask the fans that is probably the last thing they noticed in Evolution but whatever,.
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>>161505059
>wasn't even around for his unborn children (Goten is understandable but Gohan...?!)

This doesn't even make any goddamn sense. There was nothing to suggest that during the timeskip between Demon Jr and Raditz that Goku was doing anything other than being a family man.

Toriyama really fucking hates Goku for some reason and Super has basically been a 90 episode character assassination.
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>>161506958
Only if the guy was stronger than him
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Has there been a DB character with more character development than Vegeta?
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What the fuck is so bad about Goku being a good person? I get that he's not the Superman analog he was in the Funimation dub but god damn. In Super he's oblivious at best, uncaring at worst.
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>>161507695
Yo Son Goku and friends came out before Evolution though
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>>161507762
its not even Toriyama its the new guy putting retarded shit like him never kissing his wife
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>>161507865
Honestly, I feel like Vegeta is no better off than Goku. Vegeta's character arc was finished in the Buu saga when he finally admitted that he loves his family and that he'll never be as good as Goku, so there's really nothing left for him to do in Super other than be quasi-grumpy and give Goku someone to train with.
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>>161507865
Piccolo is arguable but it's probably Vegeta
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>>161507957
Dragonball ended after Buu
>When GT gives Vegeta better characterization than something made by the creator
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>>161507695
Perhaps he's upset that people think of Goku as a super do-gooder. He's a heroic character but people didn't note the things about him that made him interesting. Oda got DB well, Luffy is probably the most Goku-esque protagonist in shonen.
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>>161506958
Nope.
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>>161507181
>Toriyama, after nearly 20 years of not writing Dragonball, developed a distorted view of his own characters and then applied it as if it were the case all along.

This reminds me of that shitty Green Hornet movie. It played into every lazy stereotype about the source material.

>HEY GUYS ISN'T IT HILARIOUS THAT KATO DOES ALL THE WORK LMAO
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>>161507695
The universe in the original Dragonball manga was defined by good and evil morality. Only Vegeta and Piccolo stood out as morally grey because they transitioned from villain to hero over the course of the story.
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>>161506958
Goku was going to fucking offer Chichi to Old Kai if it wasn't for the fact that her breasts are sagging and that she was going to yell at him over it. That's why he offered Bulma instead.
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SasuSaku
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>>161508024
But I mean he literally his even against Buu when he wouldn't through the Spirit Bomb because Vegeta was in the way. Although that could be filler or whatever
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>>161507865
Bulma had character development to go with her change in fashion.

Gohan also transitioned from sheltered kid to well adjusted adult who fight to protect his family and loved ones.
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>>161506958
Yes, it means he's losing at something. People also forget Goku loathes betrayal, though he would probably hate himself instead of Chi-Chi.

This is all moot because Chi-Chi would never do that, you scum.
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>>161507695
>one thing that bothered him is that [...] it all boils down to good vs evil
A pretty weird complaint coming from the guy who made one of Goku's ultimate techniques a literal ball of goodness that would only harm the evil and leave the pure of heart unharmed.

He really is getting senile.

>>161507910
What new guy? That was in both the Toyotaro manga and the Toei anime. If both share this plotpoint, it's almost certainly the idea of Toriyama.
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>>161508133
I meant a lot of people didn't take Goku as a whole so certain aspects of the character are being pushed hard. Which isn't much better, mind you.
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>>161508294
You're overestimating Goku's understanding of romantic relationships and how much he cares about it.
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>>161508133
*literally is. Even against Buu

That probably makes it clearer
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>>161507115
>implying Goku even knows how to use a video camera
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>>161505059
>yfw DBZ Abridged is more canon than Funi's dub
Dubfags BTFO. I knew all along that Goku was a shitty husband and a shitty dad.
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>>161507115
He'd get bored and wish he was training or fighting a strong opponent.
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>>161506958
He'd probaly get mad if she cooked food for another guy. That's all he really gets out of Chi chi.
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>>161507867
Nothing, Goku has always been portrayed as a good person who let his pride as a martial artist and love for fighting override his good judgment, which puts the universe at risk. Super's problem is that it doesn't give Goku a moment where he's portrayed as angry, vengeful, and conflicted, just like when he spared Freeza in Namek.
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>>161507865
Gohan
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>>161508357
You're underestimating how much Goku values relationships and overplaying the "Goku is just a selfish retard" maymay. Even a moron like Goku could tell Chi-Chi of all people messing with other men means the relationship has taken an incredible turn. And it wouldn't be hard to convince him to try to fix it in his bumbling, good hearted way.
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>>161508579
Nah.
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>>161505059
That's so fucking retard, considering Goku always saw himself as an Earthling. Being carefree and addicted to training doesn't mean he never have a shit about his family.
I hate how modern Toei pretty much made Goku the cliché dumb shonen MC.
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>>161508593
>Even a moron like Goku could tell Chi-Chi of all people messing with other men means the relationship has taken an incredible turn
Z Goku, maybe. Super Goku hasn't even figured out that spouses are supposed to kiss.
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>>161508593
>how much Goku values relationships and overplaying the "Goku is just a selfish retard" maymay.
Not even talking about that. I'm saying Goku doesn't give a flying fuck about romantic relationships. He sees Chichi (his whole family actually) as one of his friends.
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>>161507181
I mean, you could argue that he gave more of a shit about Gohan when he was a kid. Now he's a grown man with his own family who can fend for himself, and that may be why he doesn't really give a shit anymore.
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I fucking hate all this retcon bullshit.
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>>161508764
That doesn't give him an excuse for Goten
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>>161508549
>Super's problem is that it doesn't give Goku a moment where he's portrayed as angry, vengeful, and conflicted, just like when he spared Freeza in Namek.

We can't have moments like this anymore, anon. It would give the impression that Goku is a three dimensional character and not an uncaring simpleton.
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>>161508110
Found it. Goku is saying she's "flat-chested" in this translation but in the Japanese version he says her breasts are sagging.
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>HURR DURR WHAT'S A KISS

I think Toriyama may have confused this Goku with the Goku that's 30 years older and has two children.
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>>161508527
Goku was portrayed as a loving husband and doting parent way before Funi did the dub. The original anime gave additional scenes showing that he does care about his loved ones. Gohan especially acted a little like goku and is shown to wear the same Gi as him as early as the Saiyan Saga, and more eager to go off on wild adventures than study. It came at the expense of making Chi Chi look irrational and too strict.
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>>161508806
Perfectly true, but I guess he just forgot Goten existed. Like everyone else.
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>>161508958
Toriyama's Alzheimer aside, can you seriously picture Goku french kissing someone and doing romantic shit to his wife?
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>>161508817
>Villian who killed your best friend+race/fathers and probably billions is on the ground defeated
>you give him energy out of pity
>stills looks sad after "putting him down" even when he was attacked with the energy he gave out of the kindness Freeza never showed

Pretty sad
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>>161508972
>The original anime
So, non canon stuff?
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>>161505126
Blackballing means basically the same as blacklisting.

>>161508931
Goku was just saying that to appease Vegeta. We can see that's not true.

>>161509012
I can imagine him performing a wicked 69 with her. That should be at least something to fall back on with how Goku is written in Super.
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>>161509305
>We can see that's not true.
Have you ever seen Chichi with her bare breasts showing in the anime or manga?
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>>161508806
He seems to like spending time with Goten on the filler episodes
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>>161505059
The franchise was handled with the subtlety of a Saturn rocket launching.

Goku and Bulma always made more sense, and maybe a more tight and smaller cast of characters would be better.
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>>161509093
This scene happened after Goku thoroughly beat Freiza physically and mentally. The ass kicking in that saga was so thorough that the emperor has nam-tier flashbacks whenever another Super Saiyan shows up.
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>>161509305
>I can imagine him performing a wicked 69 with her
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>>161509524
Don't need to. Her bust is visible even with the baggy clothes she wears.
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>>161509679
Why is Bulma such a chestlet?
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>>161509524
No, the animators rarely draw Chi Chi attractive after Dragonball. The only exception is the Dead Zone move where she's noticeably drawn with full lips and full thighs.
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>>161509709
She's a genius, if she wanted big breasts she'd have them.
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>>161509679
I'm talking about the sagging. There's no way to tell if she's sagging or not.
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>>161508931
He also knows Bulma is hotter than his shit wife.
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>>161508817
>>161508931
>>161508958
Toriyama's art is beautiful. I want him back.
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>>161509679
That was like 11 years late reply or something when he old kai
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>>161509811
Nope. He thinks she has sagging breasts.
Goku's own thoughts on his wife's chest are dubious because he was possibly saying that to get Chi Chi out of the deal.
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>>161508817
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>>161510882
I'd like to point out that this is Goku's reaction to his son being kidnapped.

This is his reaction to his friends being KILLED. He's pissed, but he's not flying off the handle running in half-cocked.

Wouldn't you say that there's a noticeable difference here, and that maybe Goku has a different level of affection for his son?
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>>161510882
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>>161507997
Weird isn't it, I didn't like GT at all and never finished it, but I really did like Dadgeta and Chadten
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>watched Dragon Ball and DBZ
>think Goku and Chichi are a cute couple
>ship it
>spend the next 15 years getting cucked by how much Toriyama hates both of them
just kill me end the suffering
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>>161507957
He's still a valid rival if it were'nt for plot armor and writers always sucking Goku's dick while constantly making it bigger and bigger with different colored hair each time.
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>>161505059
>Since then
DRAGON BALL SUPER IS NON CANON DIE IN HELL
>>161508357
Fuck off fan fiction retard
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>>161507865
Goku.Stop this character "arc" meme
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>>161509244
YES GOY FEAST ON CORPORATE COCK
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>>161506958
We are talking about the same guy who gave some of his own energy to escape to the guy who genocided his entire race and killed his best friend in front of his own eyes.
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>>161512906
Your fault for choosing such a shitty couple.
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>>161507115
>>161513354
>Goku lends his wife to Freezer and Bills so she can give birth to a strong opponent
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>>161513214
Cry more, GTpedro.
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>>161506958
>implying she hasn't

wasn't goku dead when goten was conceived?
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>>161512139
Goku was more based than I remembered. It seems Toei forgot about it too...
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>>161507485
Pretty much this
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>>161505059
This characterization of Goku is bullshit and anyone who defends it by saying that's how he's always been is full of it.
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>>161513423
>memes, and buzzwords
Fuck off plebian
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>>161505059
Im begging Toei or Toriyama or whoever the hell is in charge to stop making Goku look so savage. He has good qualities but they seem so hellbent on ignoring them
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>>161513769
Its kinda weird. He was always shown to be very caring and compassionate DBZ, even to his enemies. Not sure why they try to make him a psychopath whithout emotions in Super.
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>>161509305
"appease" is not the right word. I would say tease, it would not appease me if someone talked about my wife like that and they're excuse was they're wife's not hot enough.
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>>161513564
So true
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>>161514116
Yeah, Goku is a fucking dick.
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>>161513769
He's only "savage" like that in the anime, so it's Toei's fault. They have a very bad habit of flanderizing characters.
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>>161505059
>doesn't care that Black killed his family in the manga
There was no mention about his family getting killed in the manga, speedreader.
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>>161512139
that moment with goten

makes me cry errytime
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>>161513564
He obviously gives a shit about his family, he just sees them as friends.
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>>161507007
Great! I haven't gotten laid in a while.
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>>161513564
I feel like this is pretty widely accepted at this point. No one would mistake Super's Flanderized characters for the originals.
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Its not like their marriage was based on mutual feelings. They just made a deal when they were dumb kids.
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>>161512480
GT did Vegeta right. He's no longer obsessed with overcoming Goku but that doesn't mean he's content to just sit back, he still trains and tries to get stronger for his own sake.

Battle of Gods was the last thing that did Vegeta right imo - Vegeta throws away his pride to entertain Beerus to protect his family, because that's his main priority now.
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>>161511452
>Y-Yamucha

I feel like that one hurt more, that's his second oldest friend.
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>>161505059
Then why did he even bother trying to save Gohan from Raditz?
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>>161513432
no goten was born in 10 days of rest before the cell games tournament. Goku was very much alive then.
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>>161515877
He was conceived then, not born dumbass.
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>>161506958
I can't see him giving a single shit about it.
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>>161513402
She was fine earlier on. Give the stuff before the Saiyan Saga a look when you have the time.
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>>161512139
It's kind of messed up that Gotenks attacks are based on hid dead relatives, isn' it? Halo, self destruction ect.
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>>161509603
Word. Toriyama paired Goku and Chichi together because he hated her, so that pairing was fucked since the beginning.
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>>161510882
>finds out he has family is a huge dick and kidnaps his son
Post more upset Goku
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>>161512139
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People forget that Chi-Chi is the strongest woman on the planet, i'm sure that factors into Goku's mind. Its probably the only thing he's attracted to.
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I refuse to believe that Gohan is actually Gokus son. Seeing how much of an ass Goku is, she probably must have fucked some other Saiyan or something and then just made Goku raise him as his own
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>>161511452
Maybe being dead and training for a year helped him control his temper. Let's not forget how he reacted when Krillin died for the first time.
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>>161509012
i can picture goku doing all sorts of things. like going super saiyan and absolutely crushing all bulmas pelvic bones from fucking her too hard
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>>161515623
This. Goku thought she was talking about food, he only ended up marrying because he promised her. People who get mad at Goku not being romantic are dumb shippers.
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>>161507910
Toriyama supervises every single page of the manga while its a draft before it gets released you dumb fuck. It IS Toriyama's idea.
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>>161521390
Also, Toriyama cared enough to change Shin's personality in the manga to make him more serious and presentable than in the Buu Saga. If Goku's personality were off, he'd have done something about it.
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>>161507762

He hates his own creation because his famdom is too retarded to stop begging for more shitty fight scenes instead of letting it end with a good end.

I understand him, I would trash talk about my own characters after seeing how retarded the people that likes my creation is.

He is destroying the characters on purpose.
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