Why did anime peak in the 90s and then crash to earth with nothing

>>161500642
People stopped liking mecha shows.

Because you're an idiot who only enjoys slapstick garbage, early 00s was better than late 90s

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>>161500642
It didn't go to shit immediately, but as time went on it really did go into the toilet.

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>>161500682
You have to have the worst taste imaginable to unironically think this.

>>161500766
There's too many people in Japan and not enough jobs to go around. Things are tight over there, and it translates directly to their creative industries. If you want better anime, destroy the international banking cartels

People were happier in the 90s

Anime peaked last fall with Flip Flappers.

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This is literally the answer.

>>161500642
It didn't, you're just a nostalgic moron

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>>161503545
Yeah this anon is right

The 2000s was the last good age of anime. Everything after 09 is garbage.

>>161503106
Elaborate.

>>161503607
NGE started everything good and bad in modern anime.

>>161502334
>There's too many people in Japan and not enough jobs to go around.
Japan has literally the opposite problem. They're facing a declining population with an aging workforce and not enough young people to fill those jobs.

>muh nostalgia goggles

The average seasonal anime in 1997 was no better than one in 2017, and the average OVA was much worse. You only remember the biggest/best things.

>>161503545
>>161503599

>Nostalgia morons telling off a Nostalgia moron.

>>161503599
Last good shounen?

>>161500642
>peaked in 90s
>same decade which gave birth to the abomination known as grazey's wing

>>161503599
What about ping pong and tatami?

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Cel shading

>>161504083
This.

>>161504054
Trash

>>161502334
> Not enough jobs meme
where's my space mining company, faggot

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soul

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>>161504083
Made a thread the other day about whether or not they would probably animate Trigun Maximum. But as usual no one gave two shits.

>>161503106
>>161504083
>>161504219
The 90s were a perfect overlap, where idea guys were still in charge and anime studios still had the budget to pull it off. The recession burst the anime bubble and now we have design-by-committee shows trying for the broadest, most inoffensive appeal so the industry can stay solvent.

>>161500642
People were paid more so they felt more inclined to produce higher quality work. Nowadays anime and manga are laughably easy to pirate.

>>161500642
Because back then you were given very specific and cherrypicked anime that did moderately well and was cheap to localize while all the terrible garbage was left to rot in Japan and since you were a tiny retard child back then you didn't think there would be any terrible shows and now with the internet you're exposed to the awful truth that like any form of media, anime is mostly stinkers with a few nuggets however your tiny brain hasn't grown since you were a child and cannot realize that was the case back then too.
sage

Because you're a retard who thinks Japan made 20 GitS every season. The goggles are cutting off oxygen to your brain.

>>161500642
00s had some of the best shows ever made, so did the 90s and so did the 10s. Anime never got worse, it just means you aren't a fan of animation in general, you're just a fan of a specific genre or artstyle.

>>161504638
Is that how shows like Space Dandy, Mawaru Penguindrum, Kyousou Giga, Tatami Galaxy, Ping Pong, Katanagatari, Star Driver or Hourou Musukou were created?

>>161505186
they're all shit except for Space Dandy, which would be superior with cel shading

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>>161504638

>>161505317
>space dandy over tatami galaxy or ping pong
Go back to /v/, faggot.

>>161500642
Honest answer?
The anime industry stopped making family friendly/pre-teen series. Back in the day, long running serials like Pokemon and Conan paid the bills and allowed companies to make actual art instead of currently having to merch the fuck out and pander to otakus. NGE would have never been made if Nadia didn't pay the bills first.
Also Japan has yet to recover from it's recession.

>>161500642
Style, attitude, refinement, peak cels and background art, best synths, bold disillusioned philosophy etc.

>>161505699
>friendly/pre-teen series
Some of the best had a bunch of blood and gore, what are speaking of?

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>>161505699
>Conan and Pokemon are both still on
>tons of children's card game series get made
>Shonen Jump series
>Yokai Watch
>otaku pandering boogeyman
You don't know what you're talking about.

>>161500642
>muuhh nostalgia
Fuck off, cunt.
>>>/ar/

>>161500678
And non-isekai fantasy. I'm watching Magic User's Club and it's fantastic but shit like that is dead. Only harems, isekais and LN shit for the forseeable future.

>>161503599
Anime peaked with Azumanga Daioh so way earlier than that.

>>161503692
This is true but the heights of the earlier decades were far higher and for all the bad shows there was still a higher quantity of good shows. Now you're getting stuff that ranges from forgettably subpar to forgettably alright. Not as many valleys but not as many peaks either, just a sustained mediocrity.

>>161506162
>Some of the best had a bunch of blood and gore
And? It had a few dark moments, it still doesn't change the fact that millions of kids watched them every week.

>>161506205
No shit there's still on, Sherlock. And studios have to fight like wolves over SJ adaptations. But notice how most of the long runners are from a handful of companies? That's the problem.
There is nothing wrong with pandering to otaku except it pays like shit and it shows. I'm pretty sure the core issue is that Television is too damn expensive to get a spot for, even for the midnight hour.

>>161506689
Hopefully studios move to making stuff for the internet if there's a decline for tv in japan.Though I doubt it will have in this century.

>>161500642
You grew up and the medium didn't grow up with you.

>>161506689
>it pays like shit and it shows
It's literally the only reason this industry is alive, and they also make up the bulk of animators and writers. You faggots need to stop speculating based on your preferred assumptions about the industry, and actually read interviews. You're all filthy EOPs from reddit, so my suggestion is worthless but true.

>>161507418
>It's literally the only reason this industry is alive
Again, not criticizing the morality of it.

>>161500642
why did everything peak in the 90s and everything is shit afterward??

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>>161507526
Because apparently they make more money featuring a cast of lolis and selling merchandise like those pillows. Whoever buys this type of garbage is a degenerate

>>161507526
Because you were born.

>>161500642
I don't think an action show with animation as bad as Slayers season1 would survive nowadays.

>>161500682
this. early-mid 00s is where pretty much anyone who's watched 600+ series agrees that anime peaked.

>>161503676
Well, it's their fault for all of the creepy as fuck mind raping unchecked porno that fucked up two generations and enforced slavery future they have going on.

>>161500642
But it didn't

>>161507650
How?, most of those shows look like garbage. What's the point in watch an animation if the art looks bad ?

>>161509301
I just wish we could have at least ONE recommendation thread here.
Just one.

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>>161500642
>Tsundere heroine
>Go nowhere romance
>Vehicle for pop star
>Based on light novels

If Slayers came out today and stayed exactly the same you'd bitch about it till the sun the came up.

Fuck you.

>>161504083
got damn thats a nice poster

>>161504083
What the fuck is this ever coming back?

>>161510071
Sorry, that era of animation and coolness is dead.

>>161509855
they at least kissed at the end of Next.

>>161510146
I'd dont understand how it could have failed within japan

>>161504562
maybe like 10 years later brother

>>161501810
Michiru best girl.

>>161500642
Because of your nostalgia goggles and aspergers.

>>161500642
The last 4 years alone had more good anime than the entirety of the 90s

>>161511532
name all those anime and we decide.
>inb4 re:zero

>>161500642
The 90s were just like today: 95% of the shows that came out were shit. It's just that there are 4 times as many shows airing these days.

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It was a time during which anime and manga had already a period to incubate and grow into a prevailing, occult-ish hobby, however, the decade still required that people invest in physical, ordered media or travel to a centralized location in order to obtain consumable media. Nineties anime was varied enough to provide the general consumer with genre options while still catering to a very niche, mostly Japanese market. Outside of Japan, the only people who could casually relate to or consistently consume anime were often people who were already indoctrinated into the medium's culture and understood its rather uncompromising styles. By the time the mid to late 00s had arrived, we can see respective Japanese and global economic environments that resulted in somewhat of a global-cultural over-exposure of the medium combined with what this anon mentions in >>161504638.

The 90s were just a sweet spot for a lot of things: a time when technology and economic developments had created a bubble people could ride on care-free, while simultaneously existing without the over-intrusion of the internet's oppressive interconnectivity.

>>161506223
When are we getting /ar/? I'd be fine with banishing all old series/nostalgiafagging threads from /a/ if we do.

>>161512019
wrong

>>161512186
not enough posters, you have to suck it up faggot because we can only fill a thread a week

>>161512186
I would like this too, just so I could see fans of old anime being told they could go elsewhere.

>>161511905
I only need 1 year 2015

>>161511905
Re:zero is better than your favorite 90's garbage

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>>161512286
>Re:zero is better than your favorite 90's garbage

>>161500642
Remember when girls that looked like Lina were considered flat?

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>>161500642
Not enough manime.

>>161509855
>Lina chose Gourry over the world and kissed him
>Zel and Amelia pledged to be together in her homeland when he gets his body back
Both couples in Slayers got more satisfying development and resolution than most romances in anime nowadays.

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>>161509855
you don't get to talk shit about Megumi or Kanzaka here, buddy

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You got older. Nothing will ever be as good as the shows you watched when you were young.

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>>161500642
It didn't. This never happened.

>>161504638
>The recession burst the anime bubble and now we have design-by-committee shows trying for the broadest, most inoffensive appeal so the industry can stay solvent.
This is not happening.

>>161504789
>anime is mostly stinkers with a few nuggets
This is not true.

>>161505699
>The anime industry stopped making family friendly/pre-teen series.
It didn't.

>instead of currently having to merch the fuck out and pander to otaku
Merchandising has been around since the 60s and isn't limited to late night anime, and otaku pandering doesn't exist.

>>161507196
Most anime is made for late teens and adult audiences.

The vast majority of anime watchers are so ignorant of everything that when they talk about anime they are really talking about something that only exists in their imaginations.

>>161505694
>tatami galaxy or ping pong
>anything but pretentious crap
Kill yourself

>>161505694
all three of those are great

The 2010s is the best decade for anime since the 90s and if you disagree you're blinded by nostalgia.

>>161512653
>You got older.
Bullshit, everything's fan service and little girls.

>>161513553
The amount of fanservice is vastly exaggerated while its presence in older anime has been wiped from the historical record.

Little girls are a meme. Most characters are in middle or high school, usually the latter. Those have been around for a long time too.

It's obvious you don't watch anime.

>>161513697
Little girls are a meme.
Stopped reading there by the way.

There's nothing stopping me from drawing a little girl and saying she's 18.

>>161513797
You read the whole thing and then pretended not to, because it showed how you are wrong.

>There's nothing stopping me from drawing a little girl and saying she's 18.
Characters that look like little girls but are actually in their mid to late teens are a minority.

>>161509301
most is better than 99%
Almost every 90s anime looks like trash past the first few episodes, and to a far greater degree than any average modern anime

>>161513849
The old renditions of jojo and hxh looked a lot better than the newer ones for one.
Everyone knows anime has been looking worse and worse and it's no surprise since japan is in an economic crisis.
Stop living in denial, anime hsa been declining for quite a while.

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>>161513831
>You read the whole thing and then pretended not to, because it showed how you are wrong.
Im not kidding I really didn't read pass that because it was so nonsensical.

>>Characters that look like little girls but are actually in their mid to late teens are a minority.
>little girls but are actually in their mid to late teens
Altered my exact argument, if that's what you tell yourself while jerking it to the doujins then whatever.

>>161500642
It peaked in the 80s. That being said, the 90s were quite better than this decade.

>>161514438
>Everyone knows anime has been looking worse
Everyone who doesn't actually watch it.

>>161514534
There was nothing nonsensical about it.

>little girls but are actually in their mid to late teens
I said:
>Characters that look like little girls but are actually in their mid to late teens are a minority.

>if that's what you tell yourself while jerking it to the doujins then whatever.
What are you talking about?

>>161503941
My Hero Academia, Mob Psycho, HunterxHunter

>>161506576
There are a lot more shows coming out every season now than there were in an entire year in the 90's. Most anime are mediocre, therefore more shows= more mediocre shows

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>>161500642
But there have been plenty of great and worthwhile shows. Just recently, there was Rakugo. Watch more anime if you think otherwise.
>>161513062
Take your own advice, you spewing retard. Tatami Galaxy and Ping Pong are the few standout shows of the past decade, and have artistic merits that anyone who values anime as a medium can appreciate. I'm sorry that you're a buzzword-spewing pleb and cannot.

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>>161514648
>My Hero Academia, Mob Psycho

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>>161514867
I'm just glad I'll never be as full of shit as you.

>>161500642
Light Novels

>>161515111
Slayers is a light novel.

>>161500642
Moe happened.

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>>161515076
>argument not found
It seems you're actually the one full of shit. Watch more anime - start with Rakugo.

>>161515153
That's right, the beginning of the end

>>161515210
That was before shitty modern trends in LNs though

>>161515156
Doesn't sound very interesting.

Madoka was the first good anime

>>161515529
>Madoka
>good
I wish I could get the time back I wasted on that entire series. I didn't watch the movie by the way.

>>161515111
Meme. A lot of light novel anime are good.

>>161515154
Meme. Moe has been around since at least the 70s.

>>161500642
Because you are a hipster contrarian faggot

>>161515459
Art doesn't have to be, it has to be worthwhile, which Rakugo is. "Interesting" is a baseless buzzword along the same lines as "boring" and "fun".

>>161515673
I never watch anime for some artsy reason. Utena could be called artsy too but it doesn't change I think it was shit.

So the fucking recession is to blame?

Fuck you japs. Get your financial shit together.

>>161503676
>2017
>still believe in not enough jobs/ workforce meme
the next thing you gonna say is japan is also need "high educated" somalis asylum seekers, isnt it?

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>>161515744
>I cannot appreciate anime as a medium
That's your problem, not anyone else's.

>>161500642
That's called nostalgia.

>>161503634
>literally given a chance to "win" the thread
>just says EVERYTHING ELSE IS SHIT
>says absolutely nothing about NGE

fuck your opinions

>>161515865
I'm a casual observer but I can appreciate artsy crap. I won't turn a blind eye if it is still shit.

>>161515744
to butt in: Utena is formulaic and too dependent on its themes to support a compelling narrative. I feel like the majority of it isn't "worthwhile" >>161515673 because of the copy/paste fights, reused animation, and all of the monster-of-the-week episodes.

>>161512508
Manime isn't accepted on /a/

>>161516164
I can endure that. The thing that put me off from Utena was I couldn't find empathy in any of the characters save two. It was quite a slog to get to the end.

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>>161500642
>90's anime
good laugh

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>>161516321

>>161516321
He was just acutely aware of the slippery slope.

It didn't. The best series ever was from the mid 2000s.

>>161504083
MUH GRIT
Fuck off to your HBOshit

>>161516360
>He
Gordon transitioned in '98.

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>>161507562
>a cast of lolis
But I have no problem with this?

>>161515865
Utena is a dull slog. It's a crime against 'anime as a medium'

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>>161500642
Every generation wants to believe that they're the last great generation.

>>161516504
Name a good iconic mecha that came out in the last decade

>>161516663
E7 is a bit past a decade old but it fits

>>161516663
Unicorn

>>161515459
Not him but there's some really good anime but

you have to practically dig for gold to find one. for instance AoT is alright, FMAB is pretty good, samurai champloo was real good.

>>161516812
People who actually like anime can just watch any anime season and find several good shows.

>>161516461
Well I do because this type of garbage is why writers dont even bother coming up with something original.

>>161516663
Does Shin Mazinger count as cheating?

>>161516812
>AoT is alright
>FMAB is pretty good
AoT was trash and 03 was better overall.

>>161507562
Bodypillows are a meme. They make up a small minority of merchandise. They are unimportant.

It's also a meme that simply having cute girls in a show makes it sell. It doesn't.

>>161516340
>citing Gunbuster as Gainax's foray into commercialism instead of EVA
wow, crazy. bizarro world. the past is a weird place. (i'm aware this post was like 5 years prior)

>>161516850
A full loli cast is actually pretty fucking rare

>>161516879
03 was better overall.

Okay whatever, that's your opinion. but that shit got trashed and is fanfic.

>>161516663
Valvrave

>>161517086
Brotherhood got too shoneny near the end. I feel Brotherhood did Kimblee and Bradley's character better than 03 though.

>>161503676

When I was in Japan, I had seen more older people who is working in example like in supermarket, burger chain and even working as cleaner compared to Sweden.

>>161500642
Azumanga and watamote are pretty good.

>>161517887
>watamote
The anime wasn't very good. The manga is good though.

Whenever the question is "Why did X peak at Y" the answer is "because you were a kid back then".

Nostalgia is a powerful thing.
People always swear that whatever they liked then is "better" .

>>161518060
Lets make a comparison, clearly video games were alot better back before publishers had control over development.

Anime/Manga, you could literally say the same. Its gotten worse over the years and its a shame.

Just got done watching dragon half and gokudo had a good time took no effort. Try watching most of things coming out now feels like a job same old shit i've seen just with new faces and voices.
I don't know if i'm going through faze but i'm getting more enjoyment from anime from 08 and 90's

>>161518341
> clearly video games were alot better back before publishers had control over development.

No, not really. The big game companies almost always published their games themselves and were only responsible to their investors
.
See Kickstarter, and what all the genius developpers have been creating without a company to pressure them.

>Anime/Manga, you could literally say the same
What? Production committees/investors always had the control over anime/manga, the only independent works are web manga and doujinshi.

>>161516915
>6/8/90

>>161518503
>No, not really. The big game companies almost always published their games themselves and were only responsible to their investors.

There are so many examples of how publishers have altered the gaming industry, there's nothing you can say that proves this wrong.

I'll stand by if you want me to give you each example.

>>161518060
>t. gen z

>>161504184
your opinion is invalid

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>>161503676
Its their fault for raising a bunch of autistic retards, anime impacted them hard and even today there's some really weird creeps

>>161512286
Stop right there faggot, fuck off with that garbage.

>>161518925
>I'll stand by if you want me to give you each example.
Please provide me the examples with which publishers destroyed the gaming industry.
The larger studios always self publish or are published by Mircosoft, Sony, or Nintendo.

The change in the gaming industry happend because of gaming becoming mainstream.
The studios just move after the money.

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>>161520748
>>publishers destroyed the gaming industry.

>Microtransactions

>exclusives

>ultimate editions, deluxe editions.

>Season passes

>day one dlc

>No campaign

>pre ordering to test their game in a beta

>paying reviewers

There has also been some really big controversies like Konami firing Kojima and not allowing him to attend the game awards.

>>161520874
All of that was started by game studios like Activison and EA.
The classical publishing is pretty much only done by Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft.
The larger studios tend to buy smaller studios instead of just publishing their work.

This is not about the negative change in the game industry, but the claim that the negative change happened because of publishers and not maximizing of income.

>>161509855
Konosuba is really popular though.

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>>161520973
>The classical publishing is pretty much only done by Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft.

Wrong. otherwise those games would be kept exclusive to whoever published them.. EA does infact have enough money to develop their own video game but that doesn't change the fact that they publish the video game and distribute to console manufactures like sony or microsoft.

Face it, they have more control over development and staff than you think.

>>161500642
DBZ and pokemon hit western audiences with greater popularity that felt by older audiences and expanded the audience and default revenue pool so the industry didn't need to knock is out of the park anymore, much like Hollywood making shit action/superhero movies, just to make their money back in china.

>>161521383
so the expansion of the internet and access and therefore audiences made the industry work less harder?

>>161521129
EA is creating their own video games, you act like Bioware isn't owned by EA.
EA Sports is also creating their own games.
Of course EA has control over staff in their own studios.
It's true that they also do some classical publishing like Titanfall, but the majority of game published by EA or Activison Blizzard are internal development.


>Wrong. otherwise those games would be kept exclusive to whoever published them.
Except the usually do. Bloodborne is for example Sony published.
Sony also does some internal development but the largest publishers are the console manufactors.

>Early 90's-early 2000's chinese cartoons were the best ever
>Early 90's-early 2000's vidya gaems were the best ever
>Mid 80's-early 2000's movies were the best ever
>Everything falls off drastically around mid-2000's
AOL was a mistake.

>>161522279
>9/11 was a mistake
ftfy

>>161518060
Too bad I'm watching all those 90s and late 80s shows for the first time now and I can easily tell they are better than the current ones on average and much, much better if I pick only good ones.

There will never be another Patlabor (movies), another Akira, another Ghost in the Shell, another Cowboy Bebop, hell, we won't even get Baccano, the best the industry can muster is something like Princess Principal which feels like a horrible joke when compared to steampunk shows from ~20 years ago.

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>>161500642
quality turned into quantity after quality anime got popular

so money money money

>>161503676
>not enough young people to fill those jobs

What kinda bullshit news propaganda are you promoting here. There are plenty of jobs and young people there. Its just that the good paying jobs are not hiring toung people. So all the low paying jobs are staffed by younger people.

The decline of the japanese population wont happen for another hundred years. Japan has a healthy population of ~100 million people, so they are not going anywhere for a long time.

>>161516850
?
Manga and anime with large cast of loli characters, particularly with loli main characters were much more common in the past than they are today.

>>161500642
Because you've stopped liking anime since then and now you see everything with rose-tinted glasses.

>>161519261
>t. millenial in denial

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>>161518341
>clearly video games were alot better back before publishers had control over development.
PUBLISHERS ALWAYS, FUCING ALWAYS, HAD CONTROL OVER DEVELOPMENT.
HOLY SHIT, AS A GAME DEV YOUR COMPLETE IGNORANCE HAVE MADE ME GO BEYOND MAD, GO EDUCATE YOURSELF, IDIOT.

>>161500642
Anime was always shit since it was just cartoons for kids and teens.
You're probably either graduated from anime or think that some animes were deep and profound back then, when its just cartoons

>>161524943
Back in early 90s publishers would also take already finished products to publish, but then again it's the same now too with indie devs and platforms like Steam, so I don't really get that anon's point either.

>>161522279
Same with gaming.

>>161503755
I'm not with that other anon, you fucking tool

because

>>161509855
The only voice of reason in this thread.

>>161509301
There is more to anime than animation and art quality. There's also editing, shot composition, voice acting, music, sound design, writing, and a fuckton of other shit that is also important.

>>161500642
Because Slayers was released in the 90s

>>161511532
Not him but
>Mob Psycho 100
>Shirobako
>Yurikuma Arashi
>Sakamoto Desu ga?
>Prison School
>Flying Witch
>3-Gatsu no Lion
>Girlish Number
Just to name a few.

>>161514438
>hxh 1999
>looking better than anything
Now there's the denial.
inb4muhcherrypickedwebmsandcharts

>>161514886
>>161514911
Actually respond to them, you faggots.

>>161515111
Irresponsible Captain Tylor is a light novel adaptation and it's one of the best 90s anime.

>>161530346
Only 2 of those are good.

>>161500642
You could say the same for almost any medium desu. The second millennium was a mistake.

>>161530478
That bait doesn't work anymore, stop trying.

Anime was never the same after 9/11.

>>161531955
It's not bait. It generally looks terrible.

>>161506435
>I'm watching Magic User's Club and it's fantastic

no it wasn't it's a harem short of a basic high school club anime

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00s had kino

what did the 90s have?

>>161523651
Baccano was 00s
so was SAC

80s was shit

Only time I will accept "this medium peaked in X" will be with music fans because at least they judge individual decades for what they are (they say a lot of shit about the 10s but they also shit on the vapidness of the 80s and disco of the 70s)

Other mediums, especially anime just lump all the previous decades together and compare it to the current decades which is usually only have done. I mean I'm sure 30 years of movies have more better stuff than 5 years of it but it is kinda dishonest.

>>161500642
>muh nostalgia
Hang yourself, tr/a/sh.