ITT: Garbage that idiots cried to.

>>161499310
Haha, OP is mad that he cried because of an anime.

What is Clannad After Story?

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>being so buttmad about your post being ignored that you make a whole thread about it

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>>161499310
overrated stupid scene.

>>161499631
An overrated show with one of the most horrible aesthetics of the last 20 years?

>>161500743
don´t get me wrong, just that scene (and the confession) the rest was fun

>>161499310
This movie is so boring holy shit.
Shouldn't there at least be up and down even in a tragic story? Here, we just have story go down all the way and it gets so boring I can't be bothered to finish it.

>>161500836
Go back to your DBZ thread

Kimi no na wa

>>161499310
Grave of the Fireflies really was awful in its motive.

>>161501591
Maybe, but its motive wasn't much for you. It was catharsis of a sort for the author.
Anyway, I don't know how any older sibling could watch this and not want to puke.

>>161499310
I couldn't take the whole thing seriously at all, if the boy wasn't such a stupid fuck none of it would've happened at all. Yes, the adults are fucking assholes but you literally have no other choice so suck it up and shut the fuck up you retard.

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Whoever originally wrote this is a dumb, dumb person.

Any and every keyshit.

>>161500743
Is that Brotherhood, or the '03 version?

Cuz yea, the Brotherhood version isn't anything special, but that shit hit hard as fuck back in '03.

>>161502046
will do

>>161502154
You got Raider though.

>>161499310
It was a simpler more innocent time for anime back then.

If this was made today you will unfortunatly see instances of people into the H wondering if there should be doujins of the kid 'saving' his sister with protein from his jizz.

>>161502864
What's unfortunate about that?

>>161499310

I didn't cry when I watched it the first time, the second time though when the train guard throws away the sweet can and setsuko comes out. I cried like a bitch.

>>161501642
How about researching the film before making worthless assumptions?

>>161503102
Don't worry, you're only one of the many idiots being manipulated or not understanding the motive of the movie.

>>161499310
tfw to intelligent

>>161499310
(You), when the doctor saw you and realized how idiot he was for letting you live.

>>161503738
Not my fault you're too braindead to admit you were manipulated by the devious director.

>>161504046
And who that be?

>>161503337
>>161504046
Didn't you do this a few days ago?

>>161504095
Takahata.

i dont cry to my chinese cartoons

>>161504046
Aren't all form of art, in a way, manipulates you? There was a director who said in a movie a director is like a conductor and the audience are his orchestra. We laugh, cry, scream, awe etc. at his command.

>>161504255
>Aren't all form of art, in a way, manipulates you
no, retard

>>161504283
>>161504283
well, not all art, I guess but at least in movies directors have an idea how they would want you to react on a particular scene. And that's how we tell if it's a bad movie or not - if they want us to be horrified but instead we find it laughable.

>>161504283
Yes.

>>161504283
Yes, it does

>>161504046
The director being manipulative has nothing to do with my comment, you asked:
>ITT: Garbage that idiots cried to.

Clannad
Angel Beats
AnoHana
Your Lie in April
A Silent Voice
Your Name
Wolf Children
Aria
Shelter

I think that about covers it

>>161499310
>>161504046
>Manipulative Trash
>manipulated
All media is trying to manipulate you into feeling certain emotions by using various tricks and tropes. Comedies want to manipulate you into laughing, horror wants to manipulate youinto being scared. That is not a bad point, it's why you watch thoose things in the first place. If they fail at what they set out to do then they're bad. But just because a pice of media failed to manipulate you doesn't mean it didn't work on other people.
And I'm a fucking retard who spent time writing this, while somehow missing that other already pointed this out.

>>161501871
So much build up for literally nothing.

>>161505312
That's pretty accurate

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>>161505312
>Wolf Children
You take that back.

TAKE IT BACK

>>161505631
You're a retard for missing the point. Watch the OP webm and explain why that scene exists.

>>161505312
Missing "Little Busters!".

Though I doubt anyone cried to that. It would have actually been somewhat good if the ending didn't undo everything that they built up to.

>>161506001
Do you have some sort of mental deficiency?

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>>161499310

>>161506001
Wat?

>>161506001
>Watch the OP webm
I watched the movie a long time ago and I liked it a lot. iirc the director said the the main point of the movie is to serve as a warning and a reminder to the Japanese youth how much harder life was for their ancestors. Thre's also theme of stubbornness and pride leading to doom.
>missing the point
Is the point that you're being an edgelord and making a fuss because you're insulted that a movie almost made you feel something.

>>161499310
Kill yourself OP

>>161500836
Just like your life. Really makes you think

>>161506253
>>161506485
>being so completely devoid of thought this is all you can come up with in response
The epitome of stupidity right here.

>>161506673
>iirc the director said the the main point of the movie is to serve as a warning and a reminder to the Japanese youth how much harder life was for their ancestors
The fact that you don't see a problem with this highlights your idiocy.

Why make a proper story with characters you can actually engage with when you can make 2 hours of forced guilt intended for young japanese audiences? Naturally because morons like yourself misinterpret the message as an anti-war film.

https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/158584140
deja vu

>>161507888
>Why make a proper story with characters you can actually engage with when you can make 2 hours of forced guilt intended for young japanese audiences?
I don't know fuck face, why don't you find the characters engaging like others do? You haven't made a single point why the movie fails, you just keep calling people idiots.
>Naturally because morons like yourself misinterpret the message as an anti-war film.
Who mention anti-war messages? You seem to have made this thread to argue points you previously envisioned other poeple would say. Almost like you got btfo'd earlier and practiced responses in your head

>>161508525
It's because you really are an idiot.

>>161508720
Compelling argument.

OP is trying to be better than you: the thread.

>>161508525
The more you try to force an emotion on the screen, the harder it is to hide the artifice, and it's no longer about telling a story.

The best sad films don't make you aware you're being manipulated.

>>161508720
And yet you can't form a single sentence of criticism regarding the movie you're so determined to shit on.

>>161501871
this shit

>>161508851
Refer to >>161508833

Takahata took another person's tragic story and fabricated events to suit his manipulative goal of arousing guilt. That's about as duplicitous as it gets.

>>161508977
I'm sorry you felt guilt.

>>161508833
True. However, for a film to feel forced it has to have either bad directing, unbelievable characters, nonsensical plot full of holes, animation, music or sound effects so bad it fucks up the entire film, bad pacing, etc. This movie doesn't have any of those things. You could argue that you find it hard to connect with the main characters, since he makes obviously bad decisions, but I believe that the movie gave enought background to make his actions feel realistic. You're also forgetting that the story doesn't have to be the main focus for the movie, book, game, whatever to be good. Sometimes the central themes and message are more important.

>>161509050
Way to miss the point, dumbshit.

>>161508977
You still haven't made a single point, now you're just hidding behind other people

>>161509170
You have no point. You're basically just having emotional outbursts.

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>>161509203
>>161509245
>y-you have no point!
Jesus

>>161509284
Yes, you have no point which is why you're just fishing for (You)s now

This thread is making me think too much help

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This shit

the fact that there are people that genuinely think that stories are some sort of ongoing war between the creator and audience where if the audience feels something then the creator "wins" is a fucking unpleasant and terrible one

you fucking autismos know who you are

>>161510283
what? feeling things is a big reason people consume media in the first place. the war you speak of is simply judging the ability of the creators to pull that off well. but its an everybody wins or nobody wins game, although if the creator does a good job then its not as fun to make fun of it.

>>161505312
>aria
n-nothing wrong with crying to aria

>>161499310
>>161501308
This.

>>161501871
Read the article on Okada's biography that has excerpts from it. She's fucking insane and has no idea how human interaction works.

>>161510152
This was exceptionally bad.

>>161509357
Actually I made two valid points, you're just too stupid to debate them, so you resort to "you have no point".
You just aren't smart, like, at all.

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>>161501871

kill la kill, they betrayed me with season 2

>>161502099
It's brotherhood.

>>161511461
But wha-what if she just has autism?

>>161500790
I hope you die by choking on Andy Sixx log memes.

wouldn't call it garbage but I did see In This Corner of the World today and it definitely got me

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>>161499310
I don't understand why people praise this show and even shed tears in it, it was mediocre at best and it failed to fully develop the characters (even the main ones) enough for the viewer to really care about them.

>>161512512
Just read it.

it isn't antiamerican, antiimperialist or antiwar. it evokes compassion for humanity, to be mindful of circumstances that could make such a situation.

>>161512990
>being a humanist

>>161505312
>Shelter
People cried over a fucking music video? What?

>>161514404
Anon please, you can expose me to 60 episodes of a "tragic story" and I wont shed a tear but if you show me some cute little kid with a teddy bear that ends up suffering then I am bound to shed tears. Its an innocent child. Cant cry over Grave of the fireflies, though. Too busy wondering why Seita is such a worthless cunt.

>>161501750
Pretty much. When your country is in shambles, simply having a place to live in and enough food to eat is a blessing. The kid was an entitled retard who deserved almost everything that happened to him.

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;_;

>>161512990
Do explain the purpose of the OP webm.
Also explain the montage of Setsuko doing little girl things for no real reason after she's dead.
What was the message there?

>>161506427
I agree with this.

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>>161499310

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>>161514961
If you watched all 12 episodes of Katanagatari and didnt shed tears over the Togama montage then you didnt understand anything or simply werent paying attention. Thats honestly what I believe. Its impossible to not hurt while that plays.

Ga-Rei-Zero

>>161510152
I could take all the mommy melodrama in the first half but when it was just a long stretch of extremely hamfisted 'foreshadowing' before she died, phew, that was something else.

>>161501871
DON'T TALK SHIT!

So how does one evoke an emotional response without being manipulative?

>>161515371
You're a bad man.

>>161499631
>>161505312
The only stuff that pulled anything out of me when it came to clannad was the shit with the dude and his dad. I feel if it didn't magic everything to life it could've been a strong show.

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Only faggots cry here I cried here

>Getting so emotionally invested in a show that it makes you cry
How do you do this?I never felt those emotions from any anime ever. Am I just a heartless dude?

>>161515760
Naw, you're just autistic.

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Like 3 or 4 times during season 1. Still haven't watched season 2 waiting for my kokoro to be ready.

>>161515760
I mean, I cant cry over deaths. Whether its anime or IRL its impossible for me to shed tears over someone dying. But last season I basically cried for 10/12 episodes of Tsuki ga Kirei. Dont ask me why, I just did. Then again, being happy makes me tear up all the time so I cant understand why you wouldnt ever cry over "sad moments". They often are too predictable and cheap.

>>161515892
> so I cant understand
*can understand

OP is a Faggot

>>161502099
No, it's the same shit in all 3 versions. You're just just wearing nostalgia goggles.

>>161501750
>>161514814
Wasn't that the point of the film?

>>161515564
Stick to telling an emotional story, it's as simple as that.

Scenes like the OP webm had nothing to do with the story of the movie, there was no dietetic reason for it to exist.

>>161515909
You can samefag like the idiot all you want, it won't change the fact that you have no argument and you're clearly too stubborn to admit it.

what are you a sociopath

>>161516580
You're just an imbecile.

>>161516631
do you have a single objective fact to back that up

>>161516013
According to the director, yes. But judging from the usual reactions, the fans of the movie saw something completely different.

>>161499310
Wait. That you Sage?

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>>161504046
Wait, you're telling me that the scene from that anime I watched that was written to be sad was done so in order to also make me feel sad?
What a FUCKING SURPRISE.

>>161508833
I actually died of crying when valentine left the cowboys suddenly. Its just like life, happens without a warning.

>>161509135
>True. However, for a film to feel forced it has to have either bad directing, unbelievable characters, nonsensical plot full of holes, animation, music or sound effects so bad it fucks up the entire film, bad pacing, etc. This movie doesn't have any of those things
I am fairly sure that Seita has got to be one of the most retarded characters in Ghiblis history. The fact that the movie constantly pushes to make their aunt look like the badguy sure as hell doesnt help making the writing look any better. Grave of the Fireflies is a very cheap piece of art. Its beautiful, but its trying way too hard to make you feel empathy which, thanks to its shoddy writing and the fact that the main character will make you feel anger more than anything else, is borderline impossible to accomplish. The reason why you feel sorry for Hiro in The Wind Rises is because the character is likeable. What makes Grave of the Fireflies worth crying over is the fact that it shows the burial of an innocent child. The emotional reaction isnt being achieved through good writing, or empathy that is being felt for the casts situation, its being forced by showing that little 5 year old being put into a coffin. Exploiting the innocent nature of a child to this extent is as cheap as it gets. Quite frankly, I felt insulted after finishing the film.

>>161519378
Pretty much. They took the low hanging "everyone gets sad when kids die" fruit and didn't write an interesting story. Japanese people only pretend to like it because of war stuff and because they're brainwashed into thinking sadness = good storytelling (read any famous Japanese novel), and even then I've never actually met anyone that likes the movie despite living in Tokyo.

>>161500917
He's right though. The movie doesn't get a free pass because it happens to deal with a sad and serious subject solemnly. There has to be a good reason why it's worth watching.

>>161519378
True that but isn't that what history is about though? We get to see how much it sucked before to not repeat the same mistakes or to somehow learn from it or some shit. It was indeed a stupid time of humanity and the movie was just trying to show that to us without sugar coating anything. I wouldn't say it's forced, some people just had it way worse than anything we could imagine then.

>>161499310
Tokyo Magnitude 8.0, also the death of OP parents

>>161519834
That exactly what the movie fails to show, though. Seita didnt have it worse than other people. He has only himself to blame which is the reason why the movie is so bad at accomplishing its goal (unless it was its goal to make the audience feel angry, in which case it certainly accomplshed that but that still isnt an emotion you really wanna trigger I feel).

>>161519834
>I wouldn't say it's forced, some people just had it way worse than anything we could imagine then.
The problem is that all the "sadness" in the movie hinges on the protagonist making the dumbest and most selfish decisions imaginable at every single turn. It's like a slightly better Evangelion 3.0 - everything in the movie happens only because the main characters are utter idiots.

>>161499310
This was such a great film. A shame that there are still people out there who didn't get it's message.

>>161516102
kek

>>161519931
>That exactly what the movie fails to show, though. Seita didnt have it worse than other people.
This was probably the thing that made me rage the hardest. The movie tells us that the times were hard and everybody had to contribute; even his kid cousin worked in the factory to support the family. Seita refuses to do shit, yet we're supposed to feel sorry for him? I know the main message was supposed to be "don't be a spoiled dumbass", but the writing and the overall story flow didn't really match that.

>>161519931
>>161519946
Yeah the aunt and running away part was pretty stupid but they could just as well be in a hut, parents died in the war and all hell broke lose. I remember shrugging off the first part as something they wanted to add since having abusive aunts was a popular TV trope that time.

>>161520178
The stupidity continues after that too.
>has a bank account with money
>won't fucking use it even when the doctor tells him his sister needs better nutrition

>>161520271
He did use it, though it was too late and despite Setsuko dying he still died shortly after of malnutrition too. So, it wouldn't have made a difference either way. Money meant shit after the fact as everyone is pretty much starving at that point after the war.

>>161501591
>>161501642
t. Idiots who were too dumb to get the point of the film.

You're not supposed to like the brother and in terms of the war, the film is anti-Japan.

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>>161499310
Bleach.

>>161501308
>Cried
Yes, I liked it but the story was nothing to cry about. Maybe the visuals gave me a boner but nothing more than that

>>161499363
>Living in the land of beef.
>Literally starve.

How could you ever cry?

>>161520849
Japan wasn't dying of hunger, though.
>http://www.dartmouth.edu/~quarterly/vol1/an-investigation-into-the-nature-of-nutrition-in-post-war-occupied-japan.html
>Results from simple data analysis from the Historical Statistics of Japan, published in 1987, show that there was at least an approximate average consumption of 2000 calories a day, above the level of starvation for an average person. This is set in contrast to the 1800 calories calculated by the Occupation authorities in late 1945 (Aldous 2010, 239), and significantly above the 1280 calories that was defined as the bare minimum for a Japanese adult (Aldous 2010, 239).
Food wasn't abundant, but it was extremely unlikely that you would actually starve to death. Ukraine in the 1930s experienced real mass starvation; Japan did not.

>>161522328
>B-But it doesn't matter if the war movie isn't actuate at all
>It's about the feelings!
>The cheap, shallow feelings!

>War is bad because Japanese people died
Nearly every anti-war Japanese story.

>>161522328
Fair enough. Other inaccuracies include the incendiary bombs landing on crops as well as I've read the allied never targeted Japan's crops. The more I read into it it looks like the film was centered around the Japanese's claim of malnutrition during and after the war.

I could still justify the brother's actions though, given the events in the film(regardless of their accuracy). It seems that the movie from the very start was trying to show us the grave situation on food supply. Thus the aunt's hate towards them, the farmer not selling them food and ultimately the brother's death even after he got the money in the end.

>>161519378
>The fact that the movie constantly pushes to make their aunt look like the badguy
I never got that impression, yes she could have been nicer about the whole deal, but she wasn't being unreasonable
>character will make you feel anger more than anything else
Seita was a 14 year old orphaned by the war. Kids make stupid decisions all the time, thankfuly they have parents to bring them back on track, Seita didn't have any, other people were too caught up into their own problems too realize how big of a problem it will tturn out to be. He probably grew like many other kids thinking his dad was the coolest dad in the world, especially since he was in the imperial navy, because of the war propaganda he probably felt his father was the most important person in Japan. He believed they would somehow turn the tides of war, because he was raised believing that there was no way they could lose. Then suddenly Japan surrendered, his fathers ship was gone and nobody cared. Everyone around him tried to move on, while he never got any closure. The soldier that is heard talking about Japan srrendering sounds relieved, glad that it's finally over. Everyone else also seem doing their best to turn a new page, while Seita a 14 year old who just learned both his parents can't, he is furious, both for his loss and the fact that others aren't as angry as him. He needed a lot of time to come to terms what happened, but there wasn't any, he had to contribute. Because of this he grew distant both from his relatives and Japan as a whole, because they all seemed ok that the glorious imperial Japan has been defeated and his father killed. Which is why he trusted no one and ended up killing himself and his sister.

>>161515655
me too