Do anime industry needs more gaijins to get out of a miserable

>>161494402

They need more writers like me, so I can make more isekai harem shows. They clearly have no idea how the fuck to write this stuff. All these beta male protagonists and Gary Stus.

>>161494402
>miserable state it is in currently
huh?

>>161494402
No, if you want gajins to make anime why don't you watch western cartoons instead?

Western people can't do overexaggeration.
I mean, can you imagine a western version of Dies Irae that works

>>161494402
Kill yourself.

>>161494454
The lack of self-awareness is astonishing.

>>161494573
>watch western cartoons
I'd rather not.

>>161494645
>Dies Irae
Even gaijin piggus can fix such a horrible trainwreck of a series.

>>161494707
*can't

Anime this season is still better than Reddit and Morty. What can westerners even do to competen?

>>161494645

dies irae is fucking garbage

>>161494402
The problem with Western directed anime is it's really fucking boring.
For some reason Western story telling doesn't go well with Japanese animation styles, it feels like anything unique in anime is taken out by western directors so it feels more like a common cartoon.

The only good example I can count is The Last Unicorn, and that was in the early 80s.

I'm ready for the anime industry to hire me as an idea guy.

>>161494779
tekkonkinkreet was fucking great m8

>>161494402

Gaijin would solder a one ton iron casket and then drop the anime industry into the ocean. Only China can save anime.

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>>161494402
>Looking at what netflix is doing it seems like west knows better how to handle production and distribution

>>161494779
OP is a faggot, but if you have something against Arias, then so are you. Also, wasn't Last Unicorn just outsourcing?

>>161494887
The only relevant modern TV animation director, Yuasa, working with them, get fucked

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>>161494738
>not liking Rick and Morty

>>161494402
>Looking at what netflix is doing
If you saw lagann and madoka on netflix, here's a secret they were directed and produced by the japanese
And glitter force is a travesty.

>>161495034
>Watching (((Western Media))) as all.

>>161495082
You are on a site created by an American.

>>161494402
>muh industry

>>161494779
https://youtu.be/TIKQBNlwhHA

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>>161495062
I'm talking about Castlevania and Devilman

>>161494786
Me too

>>161495114
Originally for discussion of Japanese content.

>>161495156
Castlevania wasn't bad, but it had plenty of flaws. Haven't watched Netflix's Devilman though.

>>161495174
Do you consider Shelter "Japanese content"?

>>161495019
>Yuasa
>relevant
Nearly everything he does flops, his new movie failed commercially and crtically.

>>161494402
And let (((them))) take over? Let the anime industry crash and have the Japs figure it out for themselves. It doesn't need the "benevolent" West to bail them out and have their grubby hands influence it.

>>161494645
I want to fuck Marie

>>161495174
This may sound crazy but most people don't limit their entertainment to something as arbitrary as country of origin. If it's good, it's good.

>>161494402
>miserable state
What are you talking about? The industry is bigger and more healthy than it ever was.

>>161494402
Fuck off retard.
Netflix/CR are on their way to destroy anime and westernize it.
Burgers ruin everything.

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>>161495188
That's because Devilman will be released in 2018.

>>161495252
Rick & Morty is still shit, tho

>>161494402
No, westerners always ruin everything that's good or original.

>>161495245
Who doesn't

>>161495114
A site which is a litteral copy of a Japanese forum.

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>>161494779
Think the writer was Korean, but not sure who produced/directed. First few seasons were excellent, so not all western directed anime is boring.

>>161494402
Yes, just look at all these amazing anime movie adaptations. They do a great job telling the stories.

>>161495296
True

>>161494402
Yes, Anime needs to get with the times and stop relying on DVD and Daki sales. There's a lot of revenue from streaming sites it's missing out on.

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>>161494402
Western directors would never make something like this.

>>161495299
>implying anime is either

>>161495315
And modern Japanese culture is just a rip-off of Western.

>>161495034
I'm not looking for American story telling when I watch anime.

>>161495360
But that anime is fucking shit though.

>>161495346
> it's missing out on.
No, there isn't.
It's always funny to see a bunch of delusional faggots think they are smarter than a billion dollar industry.

>>161495381
it's not that hard to emulate nippon storytelling.

I'm sure some burger could pull it off.

>>161495429
Well you sure convinced me.

>>161494402
Well, considering gaijin are responsible for the disgustingly miserable state of cartoons and mainstream media in general, i'd say no.

>>161495364
It's true. Look at Fate shit which is just a mockery of famous heroes of mythology.

Daily reminder /a/ hates America even though they purposely live there

>>161494402

>Do anime industry needs more gaijins to get out of a miserable state it is in currently?

If you think that Portuguese man (Thiago Furukawa Lucas) saved anime industry with NGNL, you are wrong.

>>161495417
It's still something that anyone with western sensibilities wouldn't even think of making

>>161494402
Learn English you fucking faggot.

>>161495551
I don't live in America

>"Looking at what netflix is doing..."


Netflix steal works, put "original series" titles and remove credits of original staff.

>>161495582
Maybe that's for the best, really.

>>161495278
>>161494551
TV animation is fucked beyond limits
Production values are at its lowest, time schedules are insane, audience outside of obessive otaku market is basically absent so you can't produce almost nothing interesting, working conditions are worse than that of a child workers in 3d world shitholes, amount of titles that are shat out is so big that market is oversaturated to the point studios can't make any profit, etc
For more insight on subject, here's for example translated editorial by Japanese business magazine:
https://wavemotioncannon.com/2017/04/25/anime-production-issues-a-working-environment-that-isnt-improving/

>>161495806
Of for example interview of production director and assistant
https://wavemotioncannon.com/2017/01/24/interview-with-an-anime-production-assistant-itmedia-122016-part-12/

>>161494402
Evan Call

>>161495640
You are out of date. Netflix is now making real exclusives. Yuasa's next anime will be one of them and the production schedule is ridiculously good for a TV show type anime. It seems like the animation production may already be complete or nearing completion seasons before it is released on Netflix.

>>161494402
I don't think that it would hurt.

Anime's main problem is that it is an incestuous medium due to the fact that it often draws inspiration solely from other anime. Back in the early days of anime, many western works of fiction were used as sources of inspiration for anime ranging from Hollywood films to classic literature. The influence of real life on older anime is also not to be understated.

It's safe to say that anime would not exist in it's current form if it weren't for the west. So why shouldn't gaijins be brought in to make things fresh again?

>>161495806
http://aja.gr.jp/english/japan-anime-data
>4th anime boom has arived
>late night anime era has come
>6 years of consecutive growth

>>161496192
Yeah none of that is being argued with in the article. Nobody is saying anime isn't making money. But that there is so much anime being made that it is becoming detrimental to the quality of the medium due to it resulting in rushed productions. Studios aren't making any of that money either it is just going to production committee members.

>>161496192
That's a nice propaganda for investors you have there m8, but people from industry think slightly differently

>>161496282
I don't think anyone in the industry would be arguing that anime isn't making money. They might say the wrong people are making the money it is going to the companies that invest in anime rather than those working on making the product from a creative perspective, and that productions are struggling to keep up with demand and working conditions are terrible but the amount of money coming into the industry is definitely on the rise. When people in the industry say the medium is on the verge of collapse it isn't ever due to there not being any money coming in.

>>161496276
Because the studios are retarded, if you don't invest and take a risk you won't grow.
Kyoani took the risk and now they're a powerhouse not dependent on production committees, chink companies are doing the same thing now.

The truth is - anime needs it's own HBO.
Until industry switches to the "shoot all episodes at once and release after production is finished" type of process, we will get same cheap rushed uninspired shit.

>>161496282
>>161496276
>>161495806
> just going to production committee members.
That is the only thing that matters, as long as there is money in anime it will be continued.
Sorry, but I don't buy into all the "think about the poor workers" propaganda.
Creative industries have always been hell holes. The working conditions weren't better in the 90s and the industry still exists. Same can be said about the western gaming industry.
It is also of note that the loudest complainers about the state of the industry are people like Yamakan (failed directors).

The source for https://wavemotioncannon.com/2017/04/25/anime-production-issues-a-working-environment-that-isnt-improving/ is anonymous insider, which is always questionable.

We also get selective information since a substantial ammount of the info is translated by Sakuga fans who pretty much all believe visuals >>>>>>>>>>>>>> narative.
This is a point I strongly disagree with.
The modern issues that anime has aren't because of poor animation or direction, but because of the garbage writing, which plagues the industry.

>>161496840
>creative industries have always been hell holes
That isn't an argument.
>modern issues that anime has aren't because of poor animation or direction, but because of the garbage writing
All of those are affected by rushed production.

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>>161496840
The "cheapness" of anime production is what keeps the industry afloat and it's the reason animation and writing is poor. Plus the majority of anime is adaptations so you really should be complaining about manga/LN writing here.

>>161496840
>The modern issues that anime has aren't because of poor animation or direction, but because of the garbage writing, which plagues the industry.

DEEPfags like you are the problem, you keep bitching but don't buy anything.
Atleast the shounen and moefags support their shit and keep the industry alive.

>>161496840
>The source for https://wavemotioncannon.com/2017/04/25/anime-production-issues-a-working-environment-that-isnt-improving/ is anonymous insider, which is always questionable.
You have
>>161495979
Where the source is
>The production director of titles like Prince of Tennis and Blood+, and with over 30 years in the animation industry, Akiharu Ishii
>translated by Sakuga fans who pretty much all believe visuals >>>>>>>>>>>>>> narative.
If you look at WMC editorials you will see it totally other way round

>>161496929
>That isn't an argument
Yes, it is, because the argument is that the industy is currently in a miserable state, which it isn't. It was always in this state.
The industry didn't die earlier and it won't die now.
The gaming industry was supposed to die every year since 2005, and it never happened.
This is just a bunch of animators/studios trying to get more money.

>All of those are affected by rushed production.
The anmation is in many cases better than in the mid 2000s, and the writing isn't that strongly affected by a rushed production.
Are you implying that someone like Okada or Katsuhiko Takayama would be able to write something acceptable if they had more time?

>>161495346
>There's a lot of revenue from streaming sites it's missing out
Tell that to Daisuki.
It was much better than CR

>>161497188
>It was always in this state.
That is just false though. There were never 40+ TV anime per a season in the 90s. TV anime missing their time slots was never common place in the past.
>The industry didn't die earlier and it won't die now.
I don't think it will die either, but the quality of the product is suffering from there being far too much anime being made and the production capacity in Japan being unable to keep up with demand.
>Are you implying that someone like Okada or Katsuhiko Takayama would be able to write something acceptable if they had more time?
I'm saying that rushed productions affect every aspect of the production. Inadequate planning time will effect everything in a series. I don't know why you think that would be any different for writing. Flip Flappers production issues were at least in part caused by writing being behind schedule causing everything else to get behind schedule as a knock on for example.

Why do people keep saying animation quality is going down?

>>161496840
>The working conditions weren't better in the 90s and the industry still exists.
This just shows you don't know what you're talking about. Money is clearly tighter today than it was in the 90's

>>161495806
People have been saying the exact same thing since the 80s.

Sony could have turned Aniplex into HBO for animation but they didn't because they even worse then Hollywood jews
Japanese nowadays are never take any risks and this is fucking disgusting

>>161497639
>money is tighter
>productions and sales bigger than ever
What did he meme by tbus

>>161497153
>translated by Sakuga fans who pretty much all believe visuals >>>>>>>>>>>>>> narative.
WMC did not translate the articles, they were translated by twitter users. (and one was organized by Canipa and the translators seem to be SJWs.)
I also wouldn't classify WMC as Sakugafags

>but the quality of the product is suffering
Is it? Animation quality is largely subjective and the average animation quality is in my opinion better than it ever was.

>. There were never 40+ TV anime per a season in the 90s
There were also less animators.
Anime production peaked in 2006-2007, and the industry is stagnating around 5-15% lower than that.
It is also of note that the mid 2000s are considered by many the best period of anime.


.

How can anime be dying if the greatest love story ever told aired just last season?

>>161497639
They are truly fucked if there is less money now than during the lost decade.

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>>161498002
best cuckold story maybe

>>161498050
He's just retarded

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>>161495679
No. Japan creating shit that nobody else is thinking about is what makes it so great.

Harem #5973 and Isekai #4073 may be shit. But at least they are different shit than cop procedural #19343.

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>>161498213
>different shit than cop procedural #19343.
Are you living in 90's?
In the last years there were multiple great and remarkably original shows

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>>161494402
One of the excuses for piracy is not wanting 'suits' to profit from the labor of creators. Whatever you think of this as an excuse it leads to the solution of blockchain companies that can automate royalty payments. Blockchain software could even be used to automate the production pipeline. From there the possibilities are endless.

>>161498415
My point was that even even the generic shows are a different kind of generic.
The good and unique shows are also a different flavor of good and unique.

>>161498483
Except all isekai are literally the same shit

>>161495156
>Castlevania
not anime
>Devilman
anime

>>161498427
>blockchain
>>>/g/
>>>/h/ackernews

>>161498571
>Konosuba, Grimgar and Smartphone are similar at all in either mood or execution

>>161495290
A bit late, but oh fuck really? I'm gonna look forward to that and Baki.

>>161494402
Western influence can be fun. Just look at Fate and OPM

>>161498651
Sure they have a similarity:
They're all absolute shit.

what's arias even up to nowadays

>>161498710
Epic!!!

>>161496840
>Sorry, but I don't buy into all the "think about the poor workers" propaganda.

Ahhh arrogance

>>161498773
Glad you agree.

>>161496114
Still does not excuse abominations like glitter force

>>161497573
Because OP is a gigantic faggot who thinks netflix is somehow a good influence, what else do you need to know?

>>161497030
> manga/LN writing
The original writing is usually worse.
Bad writers also have an influence on adaptions.

>>161497987
>There were also less animators.
Got any source for that?

>>161494402
western videogames need more japanese developers to get out of their miserable state they are currently.

>>161495156
Castlevania was fine enough but certainly not so good that anime needs to start modeling itself on it

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>>161498710
You have not reached the minimum quota of anime consumed to be allowed to form an opinion.

>>161495034
>God isn't real. Oh wait I'm a hypocrite, oh wait nevermind yeah god isn't real.
>Nothing matters in life
>Wubalubadubdub
>PICKLE RICK
Such profound storytelling

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>>161494402
No westerners will literally kill the anime industry the second that the west becomes japans primary focus it's all over, everything that originally drew you to and made you stick with anime will be gone and you'll have nothing but cn and nick tier shit being pumped out the same way it is in the west, white pigs need to go

>>161499345
Why would I watch something from a bad genre?

>>161499391
t. flip

>>161499391
I don't think a Nene fag is allowed to have an opinion.

>>161499516
>a reaction image

If you want to bitch about gaijins, fuck off to /jp/
This is not wee/a/boo

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>>161499516
It's not an opinion it's fact, do you want western cartoons or anime? It's a simple choice the more that the west stays out of anime and the industry ignores the west the better off we are

>>161499391
The same shit happened with the video game market. Tons of japanese games had to be censored in various ways to be sold internationally. WIth games this is somewhat easy to adjust minor things. With anime this could easily lead to a single version being dumbed down for the international market.

>>161499516
I trust Nenefags. They have taste.

>>161499621
What if I want both?

>>161499711
Then even more reason to keep them separated

>>161499380
Anime has clearly rotten your brain. Rick and Morty perfectly captures the zeitgeist of Generation Y, which is not a bad thing, and that's why it's become popular so rapidly.

>>161499779
>Rick and Morty perfectly captures the zeitgeist of Generation Y
It doesn't have nearly enough existential dread, meme depression or internet addiction

People have been saying this about video games, be it western or japanese market

People have been saying this about anime, even from way back in the 90s

People have been saying this about hollywood, that tentpole movies are gonna end

People have also said the world is gonna end like a hundred times already.

All that this proved is that doomsaying is a fucking waste of time.

>>161499779
>hey Morty *burp* we gotta go into space Morty, God isn't real Morty *burrrp*

Yes a real masterpiece.

>>161499779
>haha look he's burping while talking
>haha look he's swearing in every sentence
How can anyone over 13 think this is funny?

>>161494402
>Looking at what netflix is doing it seems like west knows better how to handle production and distribution
isnt Netflix 20 billion dollarsi n debt? Pretty sure westeners dont know how to run an industry. And All gaijin stuff is SJW anyway
>GoT
>Rick and Morty

>>161499904
>People have been saying this about anime, even from way back in the 90s
People who discount the present thanks to the past never take into account the internet the difference was then the internet wasn't as widespread/developed and the world wasn't nearly as open, so they didn't have as easy of a distribution channel to the west as they do now.

>>161495034
>liking the ADHD version of Futurama

>>161499980
because most american adults between the age of 19-42 still have a 13 year old's mentality

r&m is very very far from high art and people still manage to be too pleb for it. it's impressive, really.

>>161499998
>isnt Netflix 20 billion dollarsi n debt?
I don't think that means much. They're running on the amazon finance model, which means using money to expand the business instead of turning a profit. That said, I'm not particularly impressed with their lineup. People hyped jessica jones and the other MCU TV spinoffs but those were so-so. Granted, david tennant as villain was fun.

>>161496680
Why the fuck do they do that anyway? I don't understand why they can't just finish the show before it comes out.

>>161499779
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFeJU2fIKlY

So it seems

>>161500078
High art is for unironic fedoras though.

>>161499980
>haha look he's swearing in every sentence
To be fair, anons also do that for the sake of setting a specific tone.

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>>161500159
To be fair some people do it out of habit not because they're trying

>>161500078
>implying the reason most people hate R&M isn't literally because the fanbase is full of people who think they are just like Rick

>>161500198
>literally because the fanbase is full of people who think they are just like MC
I mean that describes most anime on this board I hate too

>>161495551
/a/ is just full of seashits and spics pretending to be Americans and Europeans.

>>161500169
Yeah yeah, we get it. Fucking SJWs pushing their feminist quota everywhere and yadda yadda, right? While even though there are tons of women working in the Japanese anime, manga and videogame industries the glorious Nippon gets a pass because of reasons.
Can't this board come up with something new once in a while?

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>>161500214
There is a difference between wanting to be MC and thinking you're exactly like MC.

>>161500251
>Can't this board come up with something new once in a while?
As soon as SJWs stop being offended at anime and the UN stops sending sternly worded letters about loli doujins.

>>161500169
>>161500251
Fuck off to your own boards along with OP.

>>161500169
The funny thing is it's the worst yet

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>>161494402
>>161495034
>>161499779

>>161500251
>because of reasons.
More like because they put in the effort and have talent, unlike pig-disgusting worthless obese American women.

The only thing that matters is that otaku animators are being exploited mercilessly, and that nobody ought to give a shit about them.
They want to work for free so that they can make anime, even if it's some anime they don't want to do.

>>161500021
People have been saying anime is dead moe is killing everything blah blah blah ever since the early 2000's when the internet was widespread.

>>161500214
Yes but Evangelion actually does revel in how terrible a person Shinji is, R&M will have a five minute segment at the end of one or two episodes a season where Rick feels a bit suicidal but then he'll be perfectly up for wacky questionably legal ancap shenanigans by the post-credits scene

>>161500486
You fucking hypocrites are the worst.

>>161500251
>gets a pass because of reasons
the reason is that theres no such thing as Japanese SJW?

>>161494705
that pretty much answer OP question (at least for me)

>>161495288
>CR having any influence
that's a funny joke

>>161500251
I'd rather see a million western Sayo Yamamotos and Rie Matsumotos, hell even Mari Okadas before a single jap Rebecca Sugar

>>161500530
Sure there is, kiddo. They fight for women's right, complain about nipples on morning children shows, consider child soldiers killing adults in nip morning cartoons to be too violent and so on.
The usual stuff, like the BPO.

>>161500568
but what if we get japanese anime with western production values?
checkmate

>>161500517
moe is still isn't western centric and you're still ignoring the easy channel to the west the internet was no where near as developed in the early 00's, also keep in mind crunchy has killed most fansubs and cleaned up in the west and is now working on making anime themselves writing shit off because the past doesn't work

>>161500578
>literally working to make their own anime
you underestimate them

>>161499779
I'll gladly take my brain being rotten if it means I know shit shows.

>>161495551
well, mostly spic live in america (continent) and some others in america (country)

>all anime studios praising Netflix and Amazon cooperation
>it's somehow bad thing according to some anons
What the problem?

>>161500659
>western production values
murrican TV animation is consistently garbage with 99% of the budget going to the writers and voice actors

Even the few shows that aren't jap coproductions with a bit of action or cinematic flair to them (ie Venture Bros) aren't particularly spectacular

>>161500674
>crunchy has killed most fansubs and cleaned up

fansubs killed fansubs, stop lying to yourself

>>161500674
>literally working to make their own anime
which are?

>>161500748
read the thread once they start targeting you over the japanese audience anime is dead, what makes anime anime is that it targest japan not you

>>161500748
Angry poor teenagers are angry that they can't steal from crunchyroll anymore and have to wait for Netflix.

>>161500833
not out yet and won't be for a while but the fact that they're making partnerships should show you how serious japan is about them

>>161500842
but I love the stuff they target Japan with

>Murican humors in anime
>sitcom and simpson tier conversation
I can only imagine K-On girls talks in one liner that end with canned laugh tracks.

Oh god. Look, as an idiot who wants to get his own manga-influenced comic series up and running on the internet, I've had plenty of fantasies of somehow getting into the industry, but more western influence would be a terrible for us and them.

It would either end up with studios completely ostracising all foreigners with interest in animation, or shithead American execs imposing their will on everyone involved with the projects they're funding and trying to spread whatever agenda it is they have.

If you really want to see anime or manga with more western influences, make your own fucking work.

>>161497097
>caring about quality of writing makes you a DEEPfag

Seriously?

>>161494402
You see, the key to success is let Funimation continue their money laundering scheme in which they license anime to distribute at 2am on Toonami and never even try to push anywhere else. Or let Crunchyroll stay the middleman and reap 90% of the profits from the studios' work.Someone please tell the Japanese to find some better gaijin.

>>161500930
From the look of this thread you're talking to a brick wall, it seems even /a/ is nothing but ironic weebs who actually want western shit now

>>161500903
Are you some poorfag who's still watching k-on because there's nothing else on TV?

>>161500958
No tell them to find worse gaijin, if you truly like anime it's in your best interest to pirate and make sure they know it and hate westerners so that they never see it as a viable market, hell go troll on 2ch just to rub it in and give them an even worse perception

>>161500842
They just give money for interesting projects. Read interview with Sadamoto

>>161500519
well thats because of bad writers and western writing in general, no consistency or continuity. I mean look at the Simpsons, they keep retconning how Marge and Homer met

>>161500659
>what if

>>161500784
I'm talking liveaction series level of production values.
The reason why murcan animation is in shitter is because it considered either children stuff or low effort/high impact postmodern bullshit. But if there would be a work that shifts the general perception of animation (while there were multiple works like GiTS that were recognized and become cult in the west, it is still considered wacky extravagant stuff for arthouse fans, not as a common form of such entertainment), that it can be on par with live action series - there would be according investments.

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>>161500659
>western production values
what does this even mean? Western cartoons look like garbage

>>161501097
Literally ignore The Simpsons after Season 9.

>>161501153
>>161501143

>>161501143
putting people in costumes completely different from drawing things. And nothing the west could ever animate would ever look as good as Your Name

>>161500958
100% of the profit from a studio's work goes to the producers who paid for the anime. Part of that profit is selling a license to a gaijin company like billibilly, Funimation, Netflix, Amazon, AnimeStrike and Crunchyroll.

This is how capitalism works, and how it should be.
Rich Japanese businessmen profiting and laughing at the dumb workers, while making more money by working with rich foreign businessmen.

Americans are good at doing live action dramas/comedy. But they never improved on tv cartoons. Before, they just experiment on what they can get away with, those people layed low now the uninspired art school graduates just use cartoons as pure social commentary vehicle or to make nostalgia cartoons.

>>161499779
It's 'rot' not 'rotten'

>>161501143
and why the everlasting fuck do you thing that anime will have liveaction production values when their cartoons doesn't?

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>>161501235
thats why studios just need to seize the memes of production and start producing their own anime like Kyoani.

>>161494402
Tekkon movie was great but gaijin dindu buy it.

Mind you, the ones who do fear the gaijin netflix jews are the nip jews from Kadokawa.
There's a real danger that the anime studios will focus on making more original anime shows instead of whoring themselves out making another generic adaptation of a manga or light novel.

>>161501184
Because cartoons are not intended for general audiece, while live action is.
If there would be animated work with appropriate premise then it would get it.
Castlevania had very good resources for what it was, and it's only a pilot. I guess if things will be good enough, Netflix will expand their animated production even further

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>>161500659
>western production values

>>161495429
A billion dollars is nothing. That's like 4 high budget Hollywood films

>>161501506
>>161501267

>>161501264
Isn't it rotted?

>>161501518
delete this!

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>Netflix will become Production Committee rival
Or everything is just Production Committee new big project

>>161501630
Animators should pay for the privilege of working on anime.

>>161494402
Am i the only one who thinks that japanese QC is what really makes anime regarless of the animators' ethnicity?

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>>161501797
>anime
>QC

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Also, to those who thought that crowdfunding does shit and gave their money to LWA cuckstarter:
>Sorry (laugh), couldn’t you use crowdfunding to finance the project? With GAINAX’s fandom…
>Yamaga: You know, what most crowdfunded anime projects are doing in Japan is not actual funding but donation. They propose bonus like for example, I don’t know, you can have a lunch with the staff, things like that to make people donate to the project. With that process, you’re lucky if you get 100 million yen, so I think with Uru in Blue it would be hard to collect even 50 million. So… we may use it as an advertisement, but I don’t think we would collect enough to call it a funding.
https://wavemotioncannon.com/2017/02/21/the-current-status-of-gainax-interview-hiroyuki-yamaga-yoshiyuki-sadamoto-september-2016/

>>161501921
>But if it works well, sponsors could support you, don’t you think?
>Yamaga: No, it’s not that easy. You’re thinking it backwards. Sponsors come first, and then there’s the crowdfunding. It’s only advertisement after all.

>>161495551
That was disproven when /a/ was fused with /int/

>>161502034
*/sp/

>>161501797
>>161501859
maybe he's talking about the lack of QC is what makes anime anime

>>161501921
>>161501973
So to summarize, reddit is still utterly irrelevant, and only big companies matter.

>>161502070
>Reddit funded LWA

>>161502070
yes
that's whe we need netflix

>>161501921
Yeah Sadamoto said in previous interview that crowdfunding works only for small projects like OVA

>>161502070
Tumblr made Free happen!

>>161501235
100% of the risk lies also with the production committee. Most studios are actually part of the production committee but generally in the last position.
There is nothing stopping the animators from doing their own work, like Kyoani does.

>>161502108
so that netflix can pay the Japanese sponsors and production companies and the studios(Trigger) still get nothing?

>>161502225
Why should Trigger get anything at all? The anime they make for the sponsors doesn't belong to them.

>>161502225
so that Netflix will replace Japanese sponsors and production companies, because that what they is

>>161502225
Studios like work with Netflix. So there is something different

This entire debate reminds me about Kickstarter and games.
Where the freedom from evil corporate overlords like Boby Kotick, would allow poor hard working souls with a good business sense to become independent (Tim Schafer).

>>161502276
so Netflix can produce original western influenced anime because its not like Kadokawa is going to let them animate Monogatari

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>>161502317
>makes skit about how much money they got in Kickstarter
>later respond they didnt get enough millions of dollars to finish a 2d flash game

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What animators in Japan need is the proper fucking union
Imagine something like this pulled in murca - the whining in media would be louder than that recent of screenwriters for sure

>>161502317
The difference is that Netflix is not some unknown player. They already sponsored a lot TV shows

Personally, I don't care if the nips continue producing boring slice of life shows with cute girls doing boring things for a bunch of boring nips, as long as there's some cool action and scifi-anime stuff that I can enjoy as well.

>>161494402

How good are netflix-funded western animation? I don't use netflix so no idea how they handle their shit. At the very least, regular western animation is just as shitty if not even shittier than generic anime shows.

Besides, judging by the now deleted thread about death note movie, they can't even do japanese derived live action

>>161502335
>so Netflix can produce original western influenced anime
Looking at Devilman it looks like it doesn't need to be "western influenced"

>>161502461
Just download their Castlevania

>>161502391
Netflix just becomes part of the production committee or replaces them.
The production committee is just a system of multiple investors (merchandise, source material) sharing the risks and profits from the product.

>>161502389
>College Student 17200$
Does Japan pay their citizens to go to college?

>>161502389
>Imagine something like this pulled in murca - the whining in media would be louder than that recent of screenwriters for sure
the writer union strikes like every other year you know

>>161502461
>they can't even do japanese derived live action
well maybe if they didnt blackwash their shows

>>161502389
There is a completely unionized studio known for their high quality production values it goes by the name Toei.
Anime would just die by unionizing and a substantial ammount of animators know that.

>>161502461
>How Good are Netflix funded western animation?

Castlevania
Troll Hunters
Voltron
And Bojack Horseman
Are some top tier shows. Everything else is kiddish schlock.

>>161502800
>their high quality production values it goes by the name Toei.
this is sarcasm right? just checking

Give it ti french directors. They're the biggest weaboos I have ever seen. They're even Koreaboos with manhwa conventions.

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>>161503083
Gaspar Noe anime when

>>161502961
Oh, no.
This certainly isn't sarcasm.
Toei has mastered animation to such a level, that they don't limit themselves with trival facts, like staying on model.
The Goku vs Beerus fight in EP 5 was such an animation spectacle, that people still talk about it. Sasuga Toei

>>161503083
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz2IFuUjma8
Cute!

>>161496117
only it weren´t gaijins themselves who did all those things, so while nips were inspired by the western works of art, it were NIPS who made all those early animes you mentioned, so to answer OP i'd say NO

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>>161494402
Please do not only pollute animation with the political correctness by the gaijin.

>>161504433
I second that
also checked.

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Why don't you guys make your wildest dreams come true, just like my fellow Monkey Thiago Furukawa Lucas , aka Kamiya Yuu, and his hit series No Game No life?

>>161494402
No. Filthy gaijin stay out.

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They sure need more of those french nice background guys

Entertainment mediums are subjective.

>>161506225
I can see a good chance for stronger cooperation with France in anime creation.
The interesting thing is that studios should be getting more money if there is an actual studio shortage/animator shortage.

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western animation peaked way too early. the west might know how to appeal to the masses more easily, but they are shit at making quality television, especially animation. anime that appeals to the masses is the last thing I want. I'd lose my lolis.

>>161502389
this kills the medium.

>>161500659
>western production values
what did he mean by this?

>>161494402
>more gaijin
no

>>161494402
>Netflix
Japan will always produce anime for Japan, no matter how involved Netflix gets. You also need to remember that Netflix exists in Japan too and has an entire Japanese division. And even if they were to make "western" anime, the original industry overseas would continue as if nothing happened.

>>161499645
>Nier:Automata creator asked for fan art of 2B's ass
>Witcher 3 has no blacks, and sex scenes are toned down due to ratings instead of demands

We need more love action Western adaptations of anime like Ghost in the Shell

>>161503083
>Give it french directors. They're the biggest weaboos I have ever seen.

I agree.

>>161509887
We need more concentration camps for people like yourself.

>>161494402
I watch anime because it is not western. It's the only form of non-degenerate entertainment left.

http://aja.gr.jp/english/japan-anime-data

Long story short, the anime industry is still doing fine. Chinks helped it a lot, but the nips don't trust them because chink government could suddenly decide to go full protectionism because of muh politics and islands. Burgers are still more important than all Yuropoors and the rest of the world. I do wonder what they'll write about in the 2017 report next year.

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>>161494402
Netflix is DRM-ed cancer that sells user data and which aims to implement HTML DRM as a standard and effectively shut down and censor the internet for all. People should boycott it, but too bad the average consumer is wholly ignorant.
What the audience needs is DRM-free direct downloads, and some innovation and progress in general. But what The Industry needs is something else altogether, as what it "needs" may not actually be in the best interest for anime as a medium (e.g. Trigger, Western-normalfag pandering, allowing Western influence and meddling by opening routes to donation via services like Patreon, etc). The day normalfags from anitwitter, Reddit, MAL, and Tumblr can fund their shows is the day anime truly dies.

>>161495201
>Shelter

Absolutely disgusting.

>>161507239
It's interesting because Japan has already collaborated with French animators in the past on Ulysses 31. It does seem possible that it could happen again.

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>>161501359
Anime-producing workers' cooperatives when?