Y'know what really grinds my gears? Romance Manga and Anime

>>161414092
Naruto did it right out of everyone.

>>161414092
There's no tension anymore after the confession. If it goes on they have to shoehorn contrived drama, often in the form of misunderstandings. Romance manga should always end right here before it sours.

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>>161414092
Jitsu wa watashi wa best romance manga

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>>161414092
You wanna after story? Read Evergreen. Some things better left unsaid.

Bokura wa Minna Kawaisou is still going after the confession.

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There's a lot of stuff after this confession.

>>161414512
Fucks wrong with Evergreen?

>>161414607
Is that that deaf shit? I thought that ended?

>>161414607
does something come out of it though?
didn't he misunderstand what she was trying to say?

>>161415503
>does something come out of it though?
She jumps off a balcony afterwards. Does that count?

>>161415924
THAT'S how it ends?

>>161414092
Fuck no, the emotional anguish is what makes things good. Now that they are all honky dory a big part of the fun is gone, it could only be maintained by constant relationship drama and that would sour pretty fast.

>>161414092
>Romance Manga and Anime that ends right after the confession. WHY do they ALL do this?
Because that's how these stories are fucking constructed, anon. The confession is generally the clear endgame from the beginning.

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>>161414092
Nigga, you got shoujo taste if you wanna watch a bunch of avoidable relationship drama after the confession.

>>161414092
all of that can be done in a single chapter and not every reader cares about that, tough luck m8

>>161417822
You can do the whole confession thing in one chapter too, just skip all of the pointless drama.

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>when closure is given after 10 years
at least it's something

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>>161417860
You could do just about anything in a single chapter if you really wanted to. This is a dumb thing to even bring up.

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Makes the people watching to jealous.

They want to see what they can relate to, the attempt to get a relationship and the want for a relationship.

Isn't that the general population who watch these shows? People who wish their love would love them back seriously? I'm pretty sure that's why they are made in the first place, so they can pretend its the same for them.

>>161417742
Nigga all I fucking want is to see them happy together. Also what drama most of the drama is resolved getting to the confession. Make it like clannand where its just happy with love until unrelationship shit started to happen. Or timeskips where they call each other by their first name with kids

>>161417909
>timeskips where they call each other by their first name with kids
Wait, what. Now I'm confused, do you actually want to see the romance develop over time, or are you just upset because there aren't epilogues with them married?

>>161417931
Oh I'm not op. I just want to see them happy after watching all the shit they had to go through to get there

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>>161417742
or maybe he only wants more comfy relationships

>>161417951
That's the whole point of the series ending. You know that they will be happy together, or the author would put an epilogue of them divorce or some shit.

>>161417886
>Henceforth. Kurosawa Maiko
My heart

>>161418006
Realisticly speaking a good portion of manga couples would break up eventually. Like how often do high school relationships actually last? So it's not to bad showing that they actually remained a couple.

>>161414607
Don't they end up together in the manga? I know the anime half-assed the ending

>>161418101
> Realisticly speaking a good portion of manga couples would break up eventually.
>Realisticly speaking
Not that guy, but this doesn't really belong in the conversation. If a fictional couple gets married, and the story ends there, there's not a 50% chance they'll get divorced or whatever, they're just married and that's that. Same here.

>>161418120
>Don't they end up together in the manga?
Nope, not that we see.

>>161418101
We talking about idealized relationships, so they will undoubtedly still be together. Unless the author wants to create drama, that is.

>>161414771
Incest.

>>161414421
This is the reason right here.

>>161414421
There's no tension even before the confession, we all know it's gonna happen, we all know who's gonna win, all that's inbetween is pointless drama for the sake of dragging shit out.

>>161417891
that's a lot of projection, m8

>>161417886
CUTE

>>161417891
I wish they would start to bring up epilogues wherein the protagonist wakes up and realizes it was all a dream, just to properly crush every kind of hope for those people.

>>161414421
>everything after two people get together is literal paradise
Holy shit please die.

>>161418160
>not that we see

? ? ?

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>The retards in this thread think that pre-relationship drama is interesting, yet somehow, relationship drama isn't

How is freaking out over spending the beach trip with the girl/boy you like any more valid than freaking out over the birth of your child, or having strict parents who disagree with your choice of spouse?

There's plenty of good stuff that could be mined for relationship drama post-confession.

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>>161414092
The best part is usually the journey to the relationship. If you want the epilogue then check exhentai.

I honestly think so many of them build up the confession so much that after it they have no idea what to do for the relationship
And it seems like the ones that do throw in so much drama that it gets unbearable
Why can't it just be comfy with some hardships, not 24/7 hardship with nothing else

>>161418644
Neither are interesting anymore, I can't even read 10 chapters of the shit, it's so boring. Unless the series starts off with them in a rocky relationship, and trying to work it out or ending up breaking it off, then it's just the same shit as when they weren't together.
>Rando rival
>moving away/schools
>sudden arrange marriage
>sudden accident
Same shit, man

>>161414092
It's amazing how shippers never stop whining.

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>>161414092
I feel your pain, OP. I kind of understand why they do it: after the confession the story and character dynamics would radically change, so author would be basically telling another story and would need to come up with another excuse to keep the story going (or go full slice of life).

That said, I feel blueballed whenever they do it. They take so long teasing us, especially in ecchi, but when things finally get good it's over. Sometimes we don't even get a epilogue chapter, it's just kiss/holding hands and the end.

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>>161417742
Spice and Wolf kept going and it was great.

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>>161414092
I agree that it should last a little longer after confession, but romance manga where two people get together from the start and the rest of the manga is just fucking around is way worse.

>>161419276
Ore Monogatari is gold tho

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>>161419201
>muh apples
>muh beer
>muh tail

>>161414092
OP, read Suzuka.

>>161418101

This old anime, Gatekeepers, has a really crushing version of this. The leads hook up, but then they drift apart. The protagonist marries another woman, has a daughter, then dies fighting what is basically Cthulu.

>>161414092

Be careful what you wish for. I recall a Quest on /tg/ where the romance was resolved midway through the main plot. It ended with EVERYONE DYING because the MC didn't tell his waifu he'd slept with another woman before dating her.

>>161419643
You forgot >muh economics.

There are plenty of topics to make stories about if the authors just take advantage of the material.

If the romance is a subplot, then just show the couple working/fighting together. If the plot is of a fighting shounen manga, use their new relationship status to raise the stake. When protagonist's girl is in danger post-confession, it creates more suspense.

If it's a comedy, a confession shouldn't stop the jokes from coming in. Hell, it opens the door to new jokes, if nothing else. Fuck load of romance VNs have done this. They kept the comedy going after the romance is resolved.

If it's a drama, create tension around the couple - parents' disapproval, jealous ex taking revenge, etc... More commonly seen in seinen romance though. Most of the problems we deal with post-confession are really mature topics. Orange Yane no Chiisana Ie is a good example.

Start watching kdramas. Confessions start at ep 10

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Yumeko best girl

Dramatic effect maybe? Endgame reached?

>>161414421
How can anyone be this wrong?

Do you have any idea how turbulent the average relationship can be, and how many compromises both parties have to make so it can work?

>>161420107
And breakups at ep 11
And affairs at ep 12
And star hospitalized while their actor renegotiates contract terms at ep 13
And love tetrahedrons at ep 14
And long lost aunt's cousin's estranged surprise witnesses at ep 15
And then the plotlines from the previous episodes start getting recycled, with an ever-increasing cast of near-identical characters going through the same dime-operated drama as the last.

Civilization went through this terrible fad of no-standards television 30 years ago and grew out of it.

>>161418388
>implying that's a bad thing

Actual Japanese relationships are usually hollow and soulless. It's easier to write what happens before everything goes to shit.

OP's right though. Some of the best romance manga are the few ones that take place during the relationship and not before it.

>>161414092

Authors like skipping past that shit because there's not really any drama in it they can honestly consider adding. After everything the two of them are supposed to be perfect for each other and going down the dramatic path is gonna wreck the series. It's a build up to the perfect drama free relationship,not a build up to their time together and although it SOUNDS fun to keep seeing constant struggles,it's a pain to write and a pain to read.

I mean,imagine if in your picture Boku No Girl continued normally after that confession. Either it'd have to go full Gullotine Gorilla Or in other words have a ridiculous direction shift or the integrity of Mizuki&Takeru would have to be challenged constantly which'd get stale till one of them breaks,tossing out everything that made the series enjoyable.

I wanna see one that starts off with them together and they fall apart by the end.
no cucking, or fuckery. they just slowly fall out of love

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>>161414092
because most romance just want to have sweet endings / best girl winning.

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>>161414092
Pic related did this the best

>>161417886

While she was a dick to the MC, she was better than the psycho chick in every way. I also liked her more than miss perfect that Broccoli snatched.

>>161423747

i checked you POS

>>161423760
I watched that a couple years back and I honestly can't remember a single thing about it.
I can't even remember if I finished it or dropped it midway through, it was that forgettable.
except the memes

>>161423806
Well duh, he nutted over her clothes and psycho chick shouldn't even be considered an option.

>>161423974
>he nutted over her clothes

That is not very romantic.

>>161423991
broke the ice at least

>>161423991
It worked, so it's good.

>>161417652
Sauce anon? Yandex and google gave me nothing

>>161414092
You know what grinds my gears even more? Manga and Anime that ends before the main characters even get together, Rumiko Takahashi ruined my childhood.

>>161419201
But Spice and Wolf is dragged on by Holo being wishy-washy for more than 8 volumes. It's a bad romance in the sense that their relationship stays THE FUCKING SAME even after Holo rejects Lawrence. While I think it was an interesting plot point to Holo's character it ends up feeling like a device to draw the story out as long as possible. Lovely Complex did it better.

>>161423906
TADA BANRI

>>161423760
No, the ghost Banri drama utterly ruined this anime.

I really like how it was handled in Genshiken (before the reboot). After they got together there was about 8 chapter about them.

>>161414092
It is very simple: for a romance to be interesting, it needs well written characters. And writing characters is difficult.

>>161425455

When it comes to romance i think that Seinen and Josei have some real gems.

The main problem with Shoujo or Shounen is the pace that the story keeps up at with a Garry stu or Pure Jane as the interest. The midway through the story the rival is introduced.

There are exceptions, and even series that make fun of it all like Ouran, but even that feelt the need to introduce stupid rivals out of nowhere.

>>161424254
Musashi-kun to Murayama-san wa Tsukiatte Mita.

>>161414092
What's worse is romance manga that DON'T even have a confession or anything. Just end before any romantic cute shit happens.

I FUCKING HATE YOU JAPAN.

>>161414092
You know what's even worse? Hentai that ends right after pregnancy.

>>161418494
He is right though

>>161426611
damn m8

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>>161414092
Why is romance shit plagued with retarded drama? Why can't there be more cute romances?

>>161418388
This just makes me want to read it more. Could you give me more details?

>>161414771
Everything?

>>161418120
>>161418591
Don't know what he's saying
They do

>>161428864
>lets fuck
>oh shit you're my sister
>let's break up
>crap landslide I'll save you
>end

>>161414092
It's about the journey, not the destination. You want them to fuck already and it's the same reason housewives watch romance movies and tv shows.

>>161414092
I want her(him) to grind on my gear

>>161418120
Manga is just as shit as the movie. I wouldn't recommend that shit to anyone.

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>>161417742
real men read shoujo

>>161414092
what was the name of this? completely forgot about it one day while waiting for more translation threads, fuck that faggot and his "brb have to go to the store"

>>161414092
It's lazy right?

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Is this thebest romance manga ending ever?

>>161414092
It happens to much

>>161418644
Spot on m8.
Also
>jealousy from the least mature partner
>finding out one of them has a kink
>a family member dies and one partner has to console the other
>addressing previous traumas or mental issues
>finding out something really fucked up and dealing with that knowledge
>finding out each others' bad habits and working towards getting rid of them
There's so much shit but I doubt anyone who makes anime/manga/novels would have enough experience to create anything like it.

>>161414092
>I want to see them date, move in, marry, and breed tiny monsters!
Watch out for trucks

>>161418644

>no hung futa fuji for extra drama

what a waste

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>>161414607
reading that one with /a/ was great

>>161436324
>I doubt anyone who makes anime/manga/novels would have enough experience to create anything like it.

This is the reason why most anime and manga end when the relationships start. Writing a believable story about dealing with relationships if you never been in a relationship is very hard.

Even a person who never been in a relationship can eke out a story about a guy trying to get a girl, granted, it is less believable and the characters tend to be more hollow, but it can be done.

Also, the market. Most otaku cannot relate to being in a relationship and dealing with relationship problems. They can all relate to liking someone and trying to get someone.

So it is a combination of the authors inexperience with trying to not alienate a rather profitable market. Why mess with easy money?

>>161419276
Karekano (at least the first 9 volumes, before DRAMA) and Love Roma are pretty good though.

>>161436791
Shame that the thing went to shit. It was fun to watch it devolve into drivel with /a/ though.

>>161417742
You don't need relationship drama after the confession. All you need is an actual plot, and the character and their relationships form the backdrop to that.

>>161418541
Of course it's not. But to an outsider, the events leading up to the romance is always more interesting than the romance itself. No one wants to watch someone else's trouble in paradise. When a couple starts arguing, you don't watch with expectation. You quietly get out of the room as inconspicuously as you can so you don't have to deal with the awkwardness.

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>>161414282

>>161414421

There are plenty of shonen, and close to infinite shojo, that do the dating part perfectly well, and how the fuck would two awkward as fuck characters suddenly become better just because they verbally accepted they liked each other?

>>161414092

The real reason is that most of the target audience for the kind of stuff you were reading have never gone out with anybody, and therefore could not relate as well.

>>161439857
Are shippers really still asshurt about this?

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>>161440003
yes

I'm a member of my college's anime and manga club, and one of our naruto fans attacked another over naruhina.

>>161440086
Attacked, as in physically attacked?

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>>161440103
Yes.

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>>161436894
>It's all for the money
We live in the worst timeline

>>161436324
You can find all of that in shipfic. Granted, it's shipfic, but still.

Read NANA

>>161428787
because something has to happen

Karekano was good about this

>>161441168
Sometimes fanfic deals with those topics better than the stories they're based on, or even regular published novels.

>>161414092
you said it.