Flip Flappers

no marketing

>>161380147
I really enjoyed the first 6 episodes or so, but it got really boring and confusing by the end. Lost its "fun" aspect to push an uninteresting narrative. Thats my two cents.

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May have flopped but I enjoyed it. Also want her to sit on my face

>>161380147
People have shit taste and would rather spend money on the latest mobage tie-in

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Needs doujins too

>>161380147

What >>161380179 said.

Also: a lack of big names working on the show (M.A.O. and maybe ZAQ are probably the highlights); a relatively new studio that had (and still has) no non-flopping anime (though Princess Principal could change that); an "unusual" artstyle that not all could appreciate; and perhaps most importantly, pacing and story issues that probably turned off most people.

>>161380202
>and confusing by the end
This right here is why modern anime is so shit. This is the sort of people you have to write shows for. "Confusing" of all possible words.

>>161380147
It was all style and no substance.

>>161380356
Would convoluted have worked a little better?

>>161380147
It failed to re-capture the magic of episode 3 and the plot got boring. I also felt the writing took a dive after episode 3 or 4. Flip Flappers is a prime example of wasted potential. It's wasn't bad, but it could have been amazing.

>>161380369
So was TTGL but that was a massive success. Granted, that came out in a different era.

A beautifuly animated story about cute girls going down a different rabbit hole and finding magical gems on a weekly basis was fun.

But when you drop the production value of everything coming into the finale and inject a converted tone shifting ending, people are gonna be disappointed.

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>>161380147
It flopped

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>>161380147
Meanwhile: KF was literally its polar opposite interms of quality and yet it sold so good that it revolutionized the art of shitposting

>>161380147
>surreal/dreamlike narrative
The story was shit and tried way too hard at the end, the show should have stayed a nice yuri bait magical girl show but some idiot decided to throw that all away.

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>>161380202
didn't they change writers mid season and it all got fucked up?

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Despite its faults, I still find it to be among my all-time favorites.

Episodic adventures with mild art and psychology themed worlds was cool. The actual story and the shitty yuribait plot ruined the end.

The plot and character interactions were garbage from episode 1.

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>muh plot
You probably never liked the show to begin with if some pacing issues and weaker animation that still is better than 90% of what was airing that season "ruined" it.

>>161380147

It was too smart for the retarded average anime fan to understand, but not serious enough in tone to catch the interest of the fedora tipping "serious anime fans" who are still jizzing themselves over madoka. The happy yuri end also contributed to the poor reception the show received. People don't want to see lesbians being happy, they want them to die or come to a miserable end.

It's a great anime, but it'll never be popular. It's already a /u/ classic, and it'll be a "niche hipster anime with interesting art" for everyone else in about 3-4 years once the hate dies down.

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>>161380147
1. The writer *who is also the co-creator) got sacked halfway;
2. Shitty episodic subplot to the detriment of the overreaching plot that needed much more coherence than it is;
3. Some in-between quality issues;
4. Too ambitious for the human resources they had, which led to many problems, including point 3.

>>161382695
>Yuribait with no actual romance and no kiss
>a /u/ classic
Why are yurifags so stupid?

>>161382695
>People don't want to see lesbians being happy, they want them to die or come to a miserable end.

I can definitely attest to this.

>>161380147
Yuri doesn't sell.

>>161383501
There is a love confession, though.

If "a kiss" is needed to solidify something as yuri, there'd likely be only 10 or so yuri anime in existance. Sailor Uranus and Neptune never kissed, but you'd be laughed at in modern fandom if you denied their relationship.

It's not that they're stupid. It's just that there really aren't very many full-blown obvious lesbo shows out there. Most of the time, potential yuri goes nowhere and is ultimately just fanservice. Flip Flappers had a love confession and a happy ending for the characters, which is good enough for a lot of people.

>>161384092
Yes, she said she loved her friend's child before she was born. Do you actually think that was romantic?

>>161380789
it's the gateway for furry posting

>>161380147
Because, anon, only bronies and little girls watch mahou shoujo, and little girls don't care about most of that shit. Neither do bronies, now that I think about it.

>>161380369
Most anime has neither style nor substance

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>Cockona

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>>161382860
>3.
huh, I never noticed it when watching episodes normally, only caught this because I happened to be stepping through the scene frame by frame

>>161380202
This. Episodic romps were fun, forced drama yurishit was something nobody wanted.

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>>161387679
What took you so long?

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>boring
>no real story line
>things just happen
>tried too hard to appeal to yuri fans

>>161387705
I didn't expect there to be another dumb thread so soon.

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>>161383501
>>161384092
>>161384182
DEJA VU
I'VE JUST BEEN IN THIS THREAD BEFORE

>>161387902
>Yurifag claims there doesn't need to be actual romance for there to be romance
>Just "subtext"
Yeah, we've never had this conversation before.

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>>161380147
Because after the thin veneer of dreamlike surrealism peeled away in the second half the sheer mediocrity of the boring, generic anime story it was built upon became too obvious to ignore. Also Flip Flappers is, objectively speaking, a horrendously idiotic title with no purpose but to try appear unique that failed as miserably as the show's attempt to do the same.

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I want to spread these flaps

>>161380147

This >>161380179

Also the lack of prominent or influential staff on the project
>Inb4 sakugafags

Take Ikuhara's gay bears for example.

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>generic
Yeah, so many shows based on jungian psychoanalysis, I'm so tired of it.

>>161380147
People know it's shit even if the series tried to be better than it actually is.

>>161388430
The basic plot is generic secret lab experimentation, though. Why didn't they just make the background story solely fantasy instead of that science fantasy crap?

>>161388430
>Anime loosely drawing influence from pop psychology and scene is unique
This is a fucking joke, right?

>>161388530
Because it was planned from the beginning as a sci-fi story, though this doesn't really derive this show of its fantastic elements. PI is still largely unexplained, just the way to access that place is known and explained via sci-fi elements. What you envisioned this show should have been obviously doesn't align with the creators vision and while you have every right to complain about that, you must realize that it's poor form to critisize a show for things it never was, never will be and never was planned to be and only exists in an ideal, perfect form inside your head, which is based on your very own subjective taste.

>>161388680
and science*

>>161380147

Stupid title, bad marketing and story falls apart after few episodes.

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>>161380147
Japs being stupid, though it already seems to have earned its place as a cult title and hopefully 3Hz will make the best out of it.

>>161387682
:^)

>>161380147
883

>>161380147
Style over substance doesn't always work. With FlipFlappers, it didn't work. That being said I love the show.

>>161387734
>>no real story line
Not according to this thread, and any other, where this is 90% of the complaints.

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>>161380147
>excited each week to watch it
>such good animation, atmosphere, characters
>get to episode 9
>turns to shit
>heavily invested and dont want to admit it

It was a good show with a piss poor ending. In a way, that spoiled the entire meal.

>>161389434
>conclusive happy ending
>in a see of shit adaptions marketing still on-going manga and LNs
>shit
I don't even believe your first meme arrow. Most anons fail to explain what's so shit about it anyway.

>>161389647
>Most anons fail to explain what's so shit about it anyway
It's easy to see how you think that when you just ignore every criticism of this mediocre show.

>>161389818
Claiming that it's mediocre is not an explanation why it's supposed to be mediocre.

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>>161389647
It was rushed, the amazing animation went full on QUALITY at moments during the end battle, lots of leads and hints lead no where. It felt like the last three episodes should have been an entire season 2 to themselves.

Its not the ending conclusion itself, its how it was handled. It took something amazing, and ended poorly. While Its still above and beyond most seasonal shows, it became a huge dissapointment because of that.
This is just my personal opinion, and I would love a season 2 with more fun adventures and the like.

>>161380329
dat cleft

>>161390134
>It was rushed
It really can't be rushed since the story had been planned way before.
>lots of leads and hints lead no where
Pretty much anything important was explained, with the exception of Papikas de-aging, don't think anything was missing.
>While Its still above and beyond most seasonal shows
So you agree with me that it's still great and you are just a little drama queen?

>>161380471
>TTGL had no substance
Fuck off

>Explain this

I can't.
I unironically enjoyed Flip Flappers.

Hahaha, this >>161390220 is someanithing level of delusion. Why hasn't he killed himself yet anyway after witnessing the success of KemoFure while this one flopping?

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>>161390220
Anon, you seem upset.

>planned eay before
Doesnt change the pacing and rushed feeling of the plot. Just because it had a hesitant outline doesnt mean the episodes themself were not rushed.

>explained
>except
And thats just the tip of it. I dont mind open ends if its ambiguous, but some of the stuff wasnt just not explained but served no purpose whatsoever (like twin tails off the top of my head).

>still great
The first half is amazing, and had it in my top ten. The second half I hated, not of its own accord, but because of how it related to the first. Its a solid show, wouldnt say "medicore" like shit posters, but its far from great. Its a seasonal show that was pretty.

>drama queen
Anon, you should reread your posts in this thread.

>>161390465
>Doesnt change the pacing and rushed feeling of the plot
Only the last episode had some pacing issues, all the other ones are fine.
>And thats just the tip of it
Explain further, and don't give me that Nyu crap, she was never supposed to do anything anyway, never supposed to be of importance. It's like you never watched the show to begin with.
>not of its own accord
Awesome, you have only yourself to blame. Another one that complains about the show not aligning with his personal ideas of how it should have ended instead of beign able to view it on its own terms.
>Anon, you should reread your posts in this thread
Well, at least I'm not one of these "I loved it now I hate it and will post this 10 times in every thread from now"-whiners/shitposters that miraculously came around on airing days to make the threads suffer.

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>>161390465
>And thats just the tip of it. I dont mind open ends if its ambiguous, but some of the stuff wasnt just not explained but served no purpose whatsoever (like twin tails off the top of my head).
He conveniently forgot handwaved stuff such as the importance of consequence of child Cocona, Elpis, etc., that someone raised back when it aired (particularly the scene where Mom flipped out and went on rampage). Nobody properly argued to that, the only responses are blatant hand-wavings ("it's not necessary to explain that!") and "i-it makes sense within the Jungian psyche" shit. It doesn't fucking matter if it's DEEP or not, because the one thing that we're talking about is it's basic plot aka what initially appears to be for the audience. The surface and the foundation of anything before other interpretative layer can be sufficiently grounded and not nonsensical handwaves.

>>161390611
>all the othet ones are fine
>it was SUPPOSE to be pointless!
>you have yourself to,blame for noticing the pacing and animation drop in later episodes

Im sorry I took this bait. Reminder that Sage goes into options field (note I am not announcing sage, just stating a fact).

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>>161390739
>>all the othet ones are fine
Because pacing-wise they were.
>>it was SUPPOSE to be pointless!
Yes, she pretty much was. And what about all these other questions being unanswered?
>>you have yourself to,blame for noticing the pacing and animation drop in later episodes
Good job missing my point. Hey, I never argued that these didn't exist. Don't get me wrong, I also think that the later episodes are weaker, partially because of these issues, which I never denied, side from pacing issues. Well, maybe episode 10 had them too, was never so fond of this episode
>the ones fully enjoying this show are the shitposters
These threads teached me somethign else, though.

>>161380147
They aren't lesbians.

>>161380575
That's par for the course for magical girl shows, though. The budget runs out, the first signs of real drama show up, lesbian magic punch them to death, then everything is better.

>>161387734
>tried too hard to appeal to yuri fans
They dedicated an entire episode to debunking any sexual interest with the universe full of Papikas. "In your dreams, not in theirs." Seems more like they were telling yurifriends to fuck off.

>>161380147
Because it attempted to have a plot.
Nowadays anime-fans hate anything resembling a plot. They only want to see cute girls doing cute things. Nothing more.

>>161387701
>forced drama yurishit was something nobody wanted.

>"I hate /u/, lesbianism, yuri, shoujo-ai, and everything involving romantic/sexual attraction between girls. Now, what kind of anime might be the best for me:"
>Jojo --> "nope"
>Ken --> "nope"
>Dragonball --> "nope"
>LoGH --> "nope"
>Death Note --> "nope"
>Gundam --> "nope"
>Flip Flappers --> "That's it!"

>>161391675
see >>161391644

The plot was poorly written and ground the episodic adventures to a halt. Sorry you're so starved for gay little girls that you overlook this, /u/-kun.

>>161380147
>surreal/dreamlike narrative

lol no

>>161390134
The use of fanservice throughout seemed out of place. The nude scenes at the end actually seemed more tasteful that the camera crawling over the bodies of these girls I was all set to empathize with a moment before common in the beginning. They could maybe switch characters or something if they suddenly wanted t&a on screen for a few seconds. If they were trying to make some sort of point with that, it was lost on me. Just annoying.

>>161391755
>The plot was poorly written
Far from it.

> and ground the episodic adventures to a halt.
And thank fucking God it did; Flip Flappers was never supposed to be an episodic anime in the first place.

>>161380147
Plot was rushed and retarded, also Hibike was airing the same season I think so all the /u/ niggers watched that instead

>>161391755
It was still young girls in love. Just not for sexual. I like romance in my yuri, so it delivered the part I like.

>>161391946
There's no romance without the initial spark of sexual attraction, anon.

>>161391935
>Flip Flappers was never supposed to be an episodic anime in the first place.
Why did it all go to shit and end up flopping as soon as it dropped them then? I suppose everyone is just stupid except you.

>>161391994
This must be one of those memes I keep hearing about.

>>161392030
It was always flopping episodic or not.

>>161392030
Yeah, because all the sales suddenly disappeared after episode 9. Or 7. Or whenever it's suppose to start. 7 was the writer change. BD sales sure were skyrocketing before that. Or what arbitrary measurement do you have for flopping?

>>161392053
Jesus fucking Christ, only /u/ faggots are so delusional that they believe in some ultra deep spiritual connection without any basis in physical desire. Step one to falling in love with someone: You see them and your dick/clunge springs into action. Everything else comes after.

>>161391876
But it was? First few episodes especially felt like an acid trip.

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Yayaka was best girl and I wish for a s2 with them all as friends

>>161387701
>forced drama yurishit
Maximum buzzwords.

>>161392529
He's right though.

>>161382695
>People don't want to see lesbians being happy, they want them to die or come to a miserable end.

This.
Actually it flopped because it was yurishit

>>161388684
>you must realize that it's poor form to critisize a show for things it never was, never will be and never was planned to be
Like being good.

>>161380202
This.

>>161380356
I'm all for an ambitious narrative, but it need to be good too.

>>161392600
You criticize shows for being good?

>>161392600
You fucked up.

>>161380147
>flop
>streaming sales, theater sales, merch sales
>flop

>>161382336
This. No amount of surreal backdrops and crazy animation is going to make me give a fuck about what's happening if the characters are shit, and damn they are terrible in this one.

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>>161392928
>retarded lovable genki dog
>a shit
>dorky beauty with the fluff
>a shit
>ikemen combat monkey
>a shit
>implying Salt isn't best boy
>implying Hidaka isn't also best boy
>saying bad words about Sayuri
>implying Mimi wasn't a qt
>insulting Iro
>having the audacity to badmouth motherfuckung Uexküll

>>161380147
On the side of the 10 people who were actually watching it it fell out flat of the tremendous expectations we generated during the first 6 or so episodes, it tried too be too ambitious and failed miserably.

Why no more than 10 people actually watched it, had objectively more to do with coming from an unknown studio, no AAA staff involved, zero marketing, unappealing childish watercolor art, and the fact that there were other bigger shows airing that season for this experiment to get any traction to begin with.

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>>161393281
>unappealing childish watercolor art
Confirmed for shit taste. Art in this show is fucking beautiful and watercolours in general always look pleasant and unique, also never ages.

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>>161380147
>Explain this

The intellectual prowess of the general anime watching public couldn't appreciate a masterpiece

>>161395101
Actas makes me appreciate 3Hz even more.

>>161392030
>I suppose everyone is just stupid except you.
No one can be stupid enough to start watching Flip Flappers and not realize right away it's clearly supposed to be plot-based.
People just liked the episodic adventures so much that they either completely forgot about the plot, or hoped the writers would forgot about it; which fortunately didn't happen.

>>161395994
>fortunately
You consider that second half to be a fortunate development?

Worst mom ruined it.

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The show could have ended at exactly this moment and it would have been great.

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>>161396041
Not him, but there are a lot of things I would have missed.

Has anyoned done comparisons of TV and BD?
>>161387682 wasn't fixed for the BDs

>>161397566
http://imgur.com/a/1CTmK

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>>161396492
>Cocona's tongue is sticking out
>Puppy's isn't
This feels wrong.

>>161380789
No... it pretty much had a better overarching script.

Flip Flappers had great individual episodes but flopped under the weight of its ambitions. Seeing the show turn into an End of Evangelion rip-off with pedobait to distrct from it was the most insulting thing I've seen... ...outside of the entirety of Eromanga-sensei.

>>161387701
>forced drama yurishit was something nobody wanted.
If you talk about 6+ episodes it was rather forced heterodrama including the whole mother x daddy thing and how they meet and how that influenced current Cocona.

The first half having the yuri themed adventures in alien words was actually better before they introduced the boring parents hetshit drama deal.

The director was an outdated otaku dork who thought new otaku still like that old dated shit he presented.

>>161397978
She was just surprised to feel the cockona in her ass.