Could someone please explain to me the cultural impact of this

What is this, you trying to write a paper or something?

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>>161370305
>I only just discovered it.
>Harumi
> did this anime invent slice of life? Did it invent waifus?
Kill yourself.

>>161370426
Nah man, just curious. I feel like I'm severely out of the loop on this thing.

>>161370305
>So did this anime invent slice of life?

Yes.

>Did it invent waifus?

Yes.

>Did it invent common anime tropes?

Yes. In fact Haruhi invented anime, and also fire, and the very concept of culture.

>>161370569
popularized the highschool club formula and ironically perfected it too since every copycat that came after didn't capture what made it good

>invent slice of life
no, if anything it plays with the sol formula

>>161370305
Deep within me I want to believe that this is bait

>>161370533
Fair enough but the waifu question wasn't serious in the slightest.

This reaction is what I mean though. It's like I'm supposed to already know all this stuff, like it's so ingrained into the community that it's hard to believe someone would even ask about it.

The truth is I haven't explored anime a lot until recently.

>>161370666
Fact is, scientists have recently proven even invertebrates have a primitive form of Haruhiism.

>>161370752
>The truth is I haven't explored anime a lot until recently.

Oh we know.

>>161370735
I figured it must've echoed something that came before, since Haruhi recruited Mikuru because "every club needs a moe character" or something.

Thanks for the proper response!

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It had a huge cultural impact on my dick. But seriously I can see why the craze that surrounded it back in the day seems ridiculous now since everyone and their mothers imitated ideas from the show afterwards.

>>161370305

I popularized a lot of tropes that many anime use today. Many series since then have taken the popular ideas from the series and made their own or expanded about the certain tropes they have taken. For all that is being said, up until it aired there was no anime like it and was a unique and interesting series but since then, with copy cat shows and other sieres expanding upon the tropes, newfags, who only watch anime made during SAO and after, see it has boring since they have seen the popular tropes of Haruhi a dozen times already.

>>161370305
>>161370666
Waifus have been a thing since ancient time.

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>>161371149
To be honest, that last bit you mentioned is why I'm digging to find out what the big deal is, because I got bored watching the show. However given the popularity of it I couldn't just dismiss it based on my viewing experience. I'm aware it's an old anime and that it must've been more significant at another period of time.

But I think I'm getting an idea of what that significance was now, thanks!

>>161370305
I wasn't blown away by the show but the movie is amazing. It's worth watching the show in its entirety (yes that includes endless eight) just to understand the movie.

>>161371573
The movie is the best part.

>>161370305
It had a huge impact on aesthetics and apparently had some new animation technique/thingy. Notice how it looks relatively "modern" compared to other shows from the same year? It's because it started a lot of trends that stuck. Its success also contributed to the shift of character designs in the whole medium towards moe (oldfags still cry about it).

Read the books.

>>161370305
>(chronologically!)
This part gave you away, try again.

>>161370305
Pretty sure we still live in the Haruhi era in the west since Madoka ended up just being a fad

>>161370305
>(chronologically!)
You fucked up

>>161370305
>Watched the first 4-5 episodes (chronologically!)
You should never watch something chronologically if it isn't meant to be watched chronologically.

Honestly, I am not even sure if you're serious or just baiting.
Haruhi started the large trend with "self-aware" anime, while they existed before Haruhi it wasn't until after Haruhi that we got the constant "look I'am so meta LNs".

>>161371573

A few other thing: The anime was the one of best animated things at that point, now it is considered average and still holds up to this day. Another is, its about an average guy who use to hoped for exciting things to happen but that hope slowly faded then he suddenly found himself surround by extra ordinary people. Kyon mirrors what a lot of young people feel wishing for things to happen in a mundane world and while it fades, you still wish for cool stuff to happen...I still do. It is a fulfillment show but nowhere near as bad and extreme self-insert as SAO.

>>161371694
Yeah I just looked at a bunch of animes from 2006 and I see what you mean... wow. It's amazing really.

I'm noting the praise for the movie... I'll finish the series at some point and then get onto that.

>>161371892
In the end the lesson is "search for what you want instead of waiting for it to happen" so it's not self-indulging. The characters have to grow out of their selfishness.

Just lurk you fucking retard. You have a lot more to watch before you ask shit like this

Helped Aya Hirano and Yamakan careers skyrocket

>>161370305
Gundam, Pokémon, Haruhi and Eva are the most influential pieces of Japanese animation ever

>>161371997
I'm also a bit intrigued by how Kyon has this connection with Haruhi that no one else does. It's like... she's this quirky wild character who you might fantasise about, but Kyon reacts very realistically to her shenanigans. He kinda sees her as a pest, which I probably would too in the real world. As you say, she's quite selfish.

>>161371881
I made the chronological remark because I'm aware of the divisive opinions. I did SOME research before coming here...

Yeah I've seen some amount of modern anime and the self referencing is almost sub-meta at this point. Like, being meta is no longer meta. To be more meta you'd have to reference how meta your medium is. It's cool to know it's largely rooted in Haruhi.

>>161372060
You okay mate?

>>161372408
>she's this quirky wild character who you might fantasise about, but Kyon reacts very realistically to her shenanigans
Yeah, he's a foil to her. She's also a foil to him, since he's jaded despite initially sharing her love for the unconventional.

>>161370305
Haruhi made anime pull the idol playbook and run with it. There had been stuff like macross in the past that tried to take what made idols profitable and apply it to anime, but it was with haruhi and the fact that people would buy individual CD's that had every single member of the cast singing their own take of hare hare yukai and other shit like that which led to anime ascending into yet another level of commercialism and pandering to secondary demographics

>>161373298
The idolmaster was already a thing you know

>>161373384
Idolmaster anime came out a good year after haruhi, its only the games that beat it, which is irrelevant because a lot of the same stuff that made idols work already took over video games in the mid 90's with sakura wars.

Either way, a game/show specifically about idols isn't the same thing as a completely different series that still makes money the same way idol stuff does

>>161371881
It was literally meant to be watched Chronologically.

>>161373642
Yamakan disagrees

>>161370305
Being an oldfag and bored by anime at the time I discovered it with that episode when the brigade tries to shoot a short film.
The animation ( technically speaking), the directing, the pacing, the jokes about the industry, the meta jokes and settings... Not only was refreshing and new, but it was also done on a high quality standard.
Kyon was also very good, in the sense that everyime I was annoyed with something in the show, Kyon would be too. It felt like mocking the anime with a friend in the room... until it becomes drama heavy.

One last thing. Those openings / endings where everyone dance ? Haruhi started that thanks to Hare hare Youkai.

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>>161370305

>Watched the first 4-5 episodes (chronologically!) and I'm kinda bored

You'll love Endless eight then.

>>161373877
Drama heavy? The only real drama I can think of is during Sigh and it didn't last terribly long.

>>161370305
Haruhi is basically the ultimate anime girl. She appeals to otaku on a deep spiritual level.
The show is also very well-crafted (because Kyoani) and it's very meme-able (the dance, etc.)

>>161374052
Not him, but while it's not drama, there are heavier moments in the show, like the later episodes of Melancholy, Disappearance, Live Alive, Someday in the Rain, anything that goes slow. Even Endless Eight had this spooky exposition scene where everyone shit their pants.

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>>161373883
Why Asakura such a best girl?

>>161373717
Yamakan is a hack

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https://ultimatemegax.wordpress.com/2011/05/03/the-growth-of-the-haruhi-novel-phenomenon-in-japan-and-internationally/

Haruhi is the Evangelion of anime

>>161375057
What is the Haruhi of anime?

Literally just an explosive tire fire of a fad

People were over Haruhism by like 2008 and the 4 episode second season kind of neutered Disappearance's impact

Then Gatari swooped in and took the pseudo romance LN audience on a completely different wild ride

>>161375181
Monogatari

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>>161375221
>second season kind of neutered Disappearance's impact
Haha
Are you kidding Disappearance was fuckin huge in Japan.

>>161375221
>the 4 episode second season kind of neutered Disappearance's impact
No, it's the other way around. Disappearance was HUGE after Endless Eight fucked with everyone. The franchise was at its highest during 2010-2011 with Surprise getting an international release and everything selling like crazy.

2007 was when imageboards and the internet public in general was booming, so anime that had good potential for reaction images became very popular. Haruhi and Lucky star being good examples

>>161370305
Lurk for a couple years and you'll know

I liked the endless eight noticing different details was cool

>>161375221
Nisiofags are fucking delusional, your garbage will never top classics like Haruhi

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>>161374676
Is that you, asakurafag?

>>161374676
Because Assakura.

>>161375283
Not huge enough to get a third season.
The shit that season 3 would have covered would probably be considered one of the best seasons of anything of all time.
Snowy Mountain, Love at First Sight, and Intrigues

>>161375646
Lucky star happened, it wasn't Haruhi's fault

>>161375646
>Not huge enough to get a third season.
The film has nothing to do with S3. How many fucking times do I have to tell you people it's Tanigawa's fault.

>>161375646
Just think about it.
>Snowy Mountain is the introduction, first episode starts with the brigade lost in blizzard, make it 3 episodes long
>Disappearance's epilogue comes after that like the novels
>Intrigues is the main plot, but like the chronological gimmick of the first season they're dispersed in the season with short stories in-between
>2 cour season so it keeps going with Indignation and ends with Dissociation on the last cliffhanger

>>161375704
It's not necessarily just Tanigawa's fault. As much as anime are made to advertise the source Haruhi was absurdly successful on its own with BD and also music and merch sales. A third season would have been completely financially viable.
It's entirely cause Kyoani didn't want to deal with Kadokawa anymore and instead do their own IPs.

>>161375839
Dissociation would be way too much of a cliffhanger.
I think full chrono would be better for the series at this point leaving S3 to be the remaining short stories and Intrigues and the Dissociation/Surprise as a movie trilogy.

>>161370305
I sometimes jump out of my car at a stoplight and do the Hare Hare Yukai dance when I've just won a street race.

>>161373298
>individual CD's that had every single member of the cast singing their own take of hare hare yukai and other shit
To be fair, each take was unique and did show the character's personality to an extent, compared to say, Infinite Stratos's Super Stream.

>>161371694
>towards moe
Do you even know what moe is? It's been a thing since the 90s and has been an unnamed concept for far longer. It's not an art style or genre. If you think Haruhi popularized cute anime, you should actually look at what shows aired throughout the 70s, 80s, and 90s.

>>161375283
Did people really like Nagato that much? Even Koizumi's classmate in the beginning of Disappearance was better

>>161377472
She's an interesting character with solid development if you pay attention to some of the little things she says and the events surrounding her. And the lyrics of the movie ending.

>So did this anime invent slice of life?
sortof, it paved the groundwork for lucky star which is the original true SoL.

>Did it invent waifus?
some argue that the avant garde title "elfen lied" pioneered the waifu a bit earlier, but haruhi definitely popularized the concept.

>Did it invent common anime tropes?
pretty much everything you see in today's airing series can trace part or all of it's roots to haruhi suzumiya.

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>>161370305

>>161377660
I hope this is bait.

It's quite amazing that things like Lucky Star and Haruhi are still being copied to this day, with only minor improvements.

Basically what people in this thread is the truth. You had to be there to understand how influential those two shows were. If you watched them NOW you'd think they were bland and unoriginal, but it was not the case then.

Just as The Big Three defined anime for normalfags in the '00, Haruhi and Lucky Star defined that decade for full-blown weabs.

Has there ever been something as impactful in the entire industry since Haruhi?

>>161378185
Madoka

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>>161378185
Madoka, Sword Art Online, and Attack on Titan, just to name a few.

If you count sales though, any and every season of either Love Live and/or Idolm@ster sells more than every other show in the same season combined. If you look from a purely DVD/BD sales perspective, it's not worth making any anime that isn't idolshit nowdays.

>>161377660
Fuck off.

>>161378238
>>161378408
In what way was Madoka impactful? Monogatari was a far more influential SHAFT show.

>>161378185
Gundam

>>161378408
>>161378238
>Madoka
Not even close, the madoka fad has completely winded down, Haruhi clones are still being made today and the franchise is alive and strong

>>161378591
>since

>>161378660
>and the franchise is alive and strong
fuck you, I wish

>>161378694
Gundam 00

>>161378586
Did you miss the age when suddenly everything wanted to be a deconstruction of its respective genre? And there have been a handful of series about magical girls being brutalized after that as well.

The only reason studios are still making original anime instead of just idolshit and light novel adaptations is because they have hope to strike gold one day with another Madoka.

>>161378695
Pachinko machines still count

I remember it was on the cover of some USA otaku magazine when anime and manga seemed to be gaining more attention in the mid 2000's. I think I actually discovered it from that and I just happened to come across, I didn't know much about "otaku" or anime beyond I saw on TV.

It might have been the time it came out that played a significant role, there was a lot of change including online with video.

>>161375646
>The shit that season 3 would have covered would probably be considered one of the best seasons of anything of all time.
Snowy Mountain, Love at First Sight, and Intrigues

Please don't remind me. I'm still mad.

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>>161370305
It broadcast in a weird order and that made a lot of people interested in it, also it was the first series to use the now common 'kyo-ani' art style. If you compare it to a lot of other series release at the time the art and animation is really good.

>>161378408
Attack on Titan wasn't all that impactful. It was super popular but it didn't spawn any clones or anything.

>>161370305
>only watching Haruhi now
>the content of that post
OP are you still here? Are you new to anime?

>>161378923
I don't want them to count.

why was the first half of the movie so much better than the second?

>>161375283
It's so nostalgic to read 4chan posts before "ironic shitposting" was a thing. Nowadays this looks more like a Reddit thread.

>>161379030
It didn't look like modern kyoanal until season 2, s1 just looked like canon complete with uguu faces.

>>161370305
i had been out of otaku culture for a few years when Haruhi exploded and didn't understand the magnitude of attention either, dude, but it's a good show.

>>161379206
Because you're stupid.

>>161379206
mainly the god-tier setup and pacing

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>>161379030
Haruhi in 2006 had an artstyle pretty similar to the previous Key adaptations which looks nothig like recent Kyoani stuff.

Also, just having a weird order doesn't make anything popular; the novels were already selling like hotcakes and each story arc was told in chronological fashion.

>>161379313
>each story arc was told in chronological fashion.
not really, it's another custom order

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>>161379313
I, for one, am really glad that the Clannad artstyle fucking died.

>>161379367
Each story arc was its own volume or chapter that progressed from start to end without any jumps or breaks. The order of these arcs was not chronological, but it was nowhere near being a non-linear story like Durarara!!.

>>161379862
Poor bassist-kun.

>>161377124
The success of Haruhi literally shifted moe from a term of endearment on the fans' side towards being a genre intentionally engineered on the creators' side, starting with Lucky Star. Only delusional KyoAni fanboys try to deny there was a deliberate shift in the industry openly pioneered by KyoAni at that time.

>>161379030
The only two shows that look similar there are K-ON! and Tamako Market and if you consider eye designs as an entire art style which you obviously do, then the last three do indeed have similar eye designs. However, if you legitimately think those all look the same, then there might actually be something wrong with you.

>>161380101
There was a shift but "moe" is not what the industry to because moe is just a feeling.

>>161378736
>deconstruction
Name one show that was a deconstruction that came after Madoka. Madoka isn't even a deconstruction. Also, the dark magical girl thing that's happening now is a fad. Dark magical girl shows themselves predate Madoka by decades.

>>161380293
Madoka didn't invent mahou shoujo brutality, it just made it popular. KyoAni didn't invent moeshit either, they just made it amazingly popular.

Before naming a show that does deconstruction, first we have to decide what that word actually means. Even then it was thrown around at almost every post but nobody really understood what it meant, but everyone somehow agreed it existed(?).

>>161380392
Deconstruction is a fucking TV Tropes meme. It doesn't mean anything. As far as dark Mahou Shoujos go even fucking Sailor Moon had dark bits. Its not anything new.

>>161380194
Series with evoking the feeling of moe as their main purpose and little other substance are what people commonly refer to as the "moe genre". Back in the day, moe would be something you would say about one particular character within a show, often a tragic maiden whose struggle was endearing to the fans but who couldn't at all be guaranteed to be favored by the creators (See Ayanami Rei, who wasn't even intended to be likable and ended up dying, but became the most beloved Eva girl by far at the time). In Lucky Star and many of the following KyoAni shows, though, the show itself openly flaunted that it was "moe" and applied the word liberally to just about everyone through the lines of the "otaku just like me xD" character Konata.

Shows like Azumanga Daioh and Galaxy Angel with cute girl casts definitely laid part of the groundwork for series like Lucky Star and K-On, but the former were far more devoted to being comedies, not shying away from raunchy jokes that could make the girls look bad, as opposed to, say, K-On where they even cut pantyshots as so not to offend the fat sweaty purityfags who'd burn their Mio dakimakuras over it.

>>161379012
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2017/02/17-1/nhk-premium-to-re-broadcast-the-melancholy-of-haruhi-suzumiya
This ends october 13th. Maybe something will happen.

>>161380656
Why do you Haruhifags constantly hurt yourselves like this? Do you like being hurt?

I still remember the last time they were going to announce something for Haruhi. When they revealed it was Pachinko it became impossible to discuss anything else on this board.

You guys are more sad than the Spice and Wolf fags.

>>161380597
How would you know if a show's trying to evoke moe or not? You don't know a creator's intent unless they outright state it. Assuming they were doing so, that doesn't mean they lack "substance" given that everyone's standards for what is and isn't substance is wildly different. Also, in the case of K-ON!, its creative staff just didn't want to sexualize their characters for reasons they've explained several times. They had a way they wanted that show to be and it not having raunchy jokes or sexuality doesn't mean it's trying to not offend the dreaded otaku. Besides, plenty of newer shows with cute girls (the only actual connecting factor between the alleged "moe" shows) have raunchy humor and some are even based around having it.

I think this is where you kinda had to of been there when it first aired. Not just on /a/ but any website.

>>161380831
>Why do you Haruhifags constantly hurt yourselves like this?
Because there's always a chance.
Spice and Wolf author said he never wants another season. Haruhi has never had a confirmation that more will not be done, and Tanigawa has said he wants to do more for the series.

>>161381089
>How would you know if a show's trying to evoke moe or not?
If highschool girls are going around saying shit like "moe moe kyun~", it's pretty safe to say the moe is deliberate.
> that doesn't mean they lack "substance" given that everyone's standards for what is and isn't substance is wildly different.
Moe shows have always been criticized as basically being faux comedies that are completely unfunny and try to make up for it with cute girls.

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>>161374676

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nat01JQrQ9I

>>161370305
It was the right anime and came at the right time.
No wonder you're bored, you weren't watching boring seasonal shit all year when Haruhi dropped. Anime was different back then too.

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>>161380004
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsBeKqvROZs

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>>161381666

>>161370305
What? It didn't invent any of those, it's more of a celebration of them.

>>161381420
Anon, I'm moe. You're now posting in a moe thread.

>>161381420
Just because a vague selection of shows random people have decided are "moe shows" are criticized that way, that doesn't mean that they factually are like that. That's just those people's opinions. Plenty of people can also find them funny or decide that by their standards, said shows have substance and they'd be just as correct. I also find the "distracting from their bad writing and/or humor with cute girls" meme to be asinine.

>>161380597
You're retarded dude

>>161382333
Actually explain what's wrong with what he's saying, you dumb fuck. He'll just think that all """moeshitters""" can do is insult without anything to back themselves up.

>>161382484
fuck you dad i do what i want

>>161382019
>>161382282
>>161382333
Same moefag.

I think what really made it unique at the time was the odd way it blended sci-fi and slice of life stories together. It suddenly drops the supernatural elements into the story a few episodes in, but it stays a slice of life story no matter how heavy the sci-fi stuff got.

>>161382803
It's a subtle mix.

>>161382803
Post disappearance the sci-fi definitely takes over sometimes. Things like snowy mountain and Alpha/Beta.

What makes it unique is that it has the greatest movie of all time under its belt.

>>161370305
It was really popular and started a trend of shitty light novel adaptations. That's literally it. It didn't invent anime. It wasn't even the first LN adaptation. Maybe the first one set in a mind-numbingly boring high school setting with cute girls like they are all today, but at least haruhi had magic and shit to keep me from falling asleep.

Sage.

>>161384504
It must be shit to have ADHD.

>tfw watched haruhi before I even cared about anime as a whole just because I saw the skittles amv that looked cool
>didnt know any tropes, didnt know any OPs or EDs, didnt know anything about anime culture
>was absolutely fucking amazed and I loved all of it
>now I have seen tons of series
>probably would get bored of and drop haruhi if I watched it in my current state

why does this happen

>>161370305
It's literally the best anime ever made, no anime has even come close to it in storytelling, character design, and even music. The reason why this anime had such an impact is because it was so good that it could not only be appreciated by absent-minded normies, but also the patrician intellect minority.

>>161385965
Because you care too much about tropes and too little about execution and actually giving a shit. Any show can be described with a laundry list of tropes but what makes them come to life is how the shows are constructed. All stories are merely a collection of ideas, tropes, and life experiences and people get too caught up in the components to see how they work together.

>>161378660
>Haruhi clones
Could you give an example?

>>161370305
It showed me with endless eight that there is such a thing as being obsessed with being artsy and pretentious to the point that one can destroy an entire franchise.

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Kyon falls in love with Haruhi Suzumiya.

Unable to confess, he is gifted by a deus ex machina with the Manic Pixie Dream Girl's phone number. Never minding the strange area code, he immediately calls her, and is overjoyed to find out that she has a crush on him as well.

But, the next day, when he recounts the previous day's confessions to Haruhi, she only looks at him with a perplexed expression, calling him a "baka". After some investigation, he finds out that the goddess (allegedly) he called is not the same girl he fell in love with. In fact, she doesn't exist in this universe at all. She is the girl's alternate universe counterpart, who has fallen in love with Kyon's own AU self, who too is blissfully unaware of her crush.

Hijinks ensue as the two strike up a deal to give each other their darkest, most private secrets in order to equip the other with the weapons they need to conquer the heart of their other selves. While the two chase their respective loved ones, DRAMA ensues as they begin to fall in love with each other instead and question the NATURE of GODDESSES.

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>>161386886
STOP

>>161386886
Stop posting that because it's already a thing.

https://www.fictionpress.com/s/3206139

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>>161386886
>tfw Disappearance is Keit-Ai before Keit-Ai was ever made

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>>161386886
KYON-KUN KEIT-AI

Will the story ever be finished, or has the author just stopped caring?

>>161370305
I can't talk for Japan, but in the west is had the same exact impact as the recent JoJo TV anime. Complete unadulterated cancer on a level I had never seen before at the time.

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>>161387154
The latter

>>161386829
The Endless Eight was the result of KyoAni reserving the timeslots for fourteen episodes just to get told that the six they were dedicating to Disappearance were useless because now Disappearance was going to be a movie instead.

>>161387263
>cancer
>>>/9gag/

>>161370305
The first time I watched this episode I also get bored by the end of the sixth episode, I watched Chronologically too. I recently started watching in the original order and the first season improves a lot, because the fifth episode is the last, making the story progression better paced and more interesting that watching it chronlogically. The second season gets veryboring, but endless eight is some of the most fucked up experiments I've seen in anime, but if you see the end of endless eight and the final episode you will be ready for the film, wich is far better that all the series.

>>161370735
>what made it good
Which was?