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18if new episode, was it kino?

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18if new episode, was it kino?
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Did everyone drop this show? After watching last week's episode, I was expecting more of a reaction but by then, the thread was already dead. It went completely off the rails.
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>>161268325
>Did everyone drop this show?
/a/ has shit taste. This anime is in top 3. Maybe even AOTS
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>>161268325
>Did everyone drop this show?
Watching it now. I'm digging the art style they used this week. It's a nice change of pace and perfect for one episode of an episodic show.
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>Let them eat cake
Truly this is a kino episode.
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Minase Inori sung that song, right? I hope there's a single soon.
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Damn who's the staff for this episode?
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>GONZO, of all studios, just saved TV animation
How will the so-called industry experts ever recover?
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>>161269466
>>161269561
Sounds like Flip Flappers all over again.
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That was the best episode of anything this season.
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>>161270170
I hope this one doesn't try to tie the overarching plot together at the end and shit the bed.
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>>161270352
I want to know who they got to do the chanting tracks in the other episodes. It sounds like the singer who did the chanting in Nier Automata.
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Character design: Rianti Hidayat
Art design: Tomoaki Okada
Script: Kouichi Chigira
Storyboards: Kouichi Chigira
Direction: Kouichi Chigira / Ken'ichi Shirai
3D Director: Ken'ichi Shirai
Key animation: Kouichi Chigira / Rianti Hidayat
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Wizard of Oz popped into my head when I saw the robot, the scarecrow and the "lion" but then the story went in a different direction so I thought I was just imagining things. Everything about that as well as the ending was great. Tragedy told through extended metaphor + unique artstyle = erections.
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I'm not entirely sure how to deal with the fact the single best-looking episode of any TV anime I've seen was produced by Gonzo.
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>>161270550
It was really great, but let's not exaggerate. It would have been much more impressive if it was all drawn and not rendered in 3D.
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I liked the artsyle in the scene after the credits.
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>>161270621
You can say that about anything, don't undermine the episode like that.

Although if you do want to watch something that has a very similar art style but is entirely hand-drawn, go watch Rain Town.
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>>161268243
I haven't seen this since the third episode. Is it still changing genres and artistic direction every episode or has it settled down now?
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>>161270722
>You can say that about anything, don't undermine the episode like that.
I'm not undermining it, it was great, but certainly not the best looking episode of TV anime ever broadcast. And if you're going to post things, at least post Maison Cubes.
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>>161270738
Why would it settle down?
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>>161270738
>Is it still changing genres and artistic direction every episode or has it settled down now?
It's still changing, this episode changed the hardest. If I had to pick the most "normal" episode it'd be 5 which had nothing visually interesting, but that was the theme of the episode anyway.
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>>161270738
It's episodic you fuckwit.
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>>161270765
>ever broadcast
Yeah that's why I said "I've ever seen".
Also I'm more than welcoming suggestions of episodes of things that look even better, if it's not too much hassle.
inb4 /r/
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>>161270890

Pol Pot
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>>161270940
>inb4 /r/
Let me do you better.
>>>/wsr/
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>>161270890
Pol Pot
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>>161270940
>Also I'm more than welcoming suggestions
Should have been smoother in baiting for recs and shouldn't have outed yourself as a newfag. You'll get nothing here.
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>>161271083
Isn't that just an excuse to duck the question and not have to actually provide an example of a better-looking episode?
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>>161271162
Sorry newfag, that only works on other newfags.
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>>161268243
it's chigira kouchi episode what the fuck
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>"this episode looks good"
>"i've seen better"
>"really, like what"
>"fucking newfags get out"
Well this has been a productive thread.
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>>161270890
>>161270959
>>161270972
I see, it's a Pol of the other kind
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>>161271389
>Newfag actually thinks they're going to get spoonfed after admitting newfaggotry
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>>161271688
Why do you even keep replying?
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>>161271747
To remind you that you're not getting spoonfed, and to remind you to stop being a stupid newfag.
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>>161271765
A compelling lack of any argumentation.
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>>161271827
It's not happening.
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>>161271765
I'm not even that guy. Calm down.
I just think it's not worth it to keep replying to retarded newfags.
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>>161271924
>I just think it's not worth it to keep replying to retarded newfags.
How'd ignoring them work out for /v/?
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>>161271863
You know you can ignore him, right?
>>161271969
I imagine ignoring them would at best get you the same result than what you're doing when you're dealing with retards who refuse to learn
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>>161272018
>I imagine ignoring them would at best get you the same result than what you're doing when you're dealing with retards who refuse to learn
Then you'd be wrong. /v/ stopped chastising them endlessly and it bit them in the ass. The good mods are dead here, and any semblance of quality and elitism that's left comes from yelling at idiots like that until they leave or learn to shut up and lurk.
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That's a whole lot of circlejerking over a simple inability to name an episode that looks better than this.
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>>161268243
Episode 3(one of the best of the season) > Episode 6 > Episode 2 >/POWER GAP/> Episode 1 > Episode 4 > Episode 5

>>161268325
I liked it and I feel everyone missed the point, I know it was too rushed but it still convey the whole issue in a pretty different way, the episode ending left me intrigued though, who was bullying the bullies? I hope the thread is alive by the time I watch the new episode later.
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>>161272216
>Stupid newfag still at it
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>>161270352>>161270417
this episode feels like a milestone in 3DCG anime
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>>161270621
it does a lot of things that are not possible for 2d, such as having smooth animation
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>>161272242
>the episode ending left me intrigued though, who was bullying the bullies
Most likely the entire class that was standing idle before.
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>>161272396
Because they went for a hyper stylized look that didn't have any traditional animation movement. Normal CG animation has always and will always look like shit. Trying to do something completely different instead of trying to emulated hand drawn is the only way to make it work.

>>161272473
>>>/co/
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>>161272565
Man, I hope so.
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Even if it wasn't the best looking episode ever, it certainly was the best episode of the season.
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>>161272570
>Normal CG animation has always and will always look like shit.
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>>161272633
ID-0 looked ok but would have looked better if it was simply 2D.
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>>161272633
Yes, that's objectively correct.
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>>161272717
Thanks for contributing to "objectively" becoming a meaningless buzzword
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>>161272570
>always and always will
I, for one, am looking forward to seeing /a/ buttdevastated and conflicted when houseki no kuni finally airs

i think yuasa would have tremendous hard-on for this episode, it has both unconventional design and chick girl outside of industry working on it

>>161272615
they really shat the bed with this part, to be desu
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Atleast they are honest about their inspirations.
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>>161272717
>>161272570
>Normal CG animation has always and will always look like shit
>Trying to do something completely different instead of trying to emulated hand drawn is the only way to make it work
Nah, competent teams can make hand drawn like CG work.
See
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFfsTeExwbQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlRU_J5qYg0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i-sUSQoRjs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDMvaEpuDcc
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>>161272760
>Everything about art is subjective opinions!

>>161272762
"Studio Orange makes good CG" is pretty much the worst meme ever.
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>>161272858
>competent teams can make hand drawn like CG work
Where? You sure as hell didn't post any in those links.
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>>161272960
For none of the links to have good CG, you must be blind because all except the third are smooth as hell with very detailed CG.
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>>161273038
>you must be blind
You certainly are. Oversaturated colors, awkward movement shoddily covered up by moving the camera a lot, and poor use of things like squash, stretch and smear (and crumple damage for mechs) makes for pretty shitty animation.
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>>161272858
Wow, that second one looks really nice. Too bad that was hand drawn by studio Khara, which defeats your whole "point" and makes you look like an idiot.
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>>161273102
Now you are just baiting, the 1st one doesn't even has any of the things you mentioned.

>took less than 4 minutes to respond
You didn't even watched them I see.

>>161273183
That's not how it works, it is cell shading, which means it was drawn first and then rendered into 3D. It also doesn't means the whole scene was drawn first, but a lot of times just the key frames or the characters. It has been used on videogames for ages by now.
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>>161273350
>That's not how it works, it is cell shading
The CC version of that video was cel shading. You posted the Khara version which was hand drawn then digitally colored. That's hand drawn animation, you fucking idiot. Please stop posting like you know anything about animation. CGfags have to be some of the stupidest people on this board.
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>>161273350
>the 1st one doesn't even has any of the things you mentioned.
It also doesn't look even a little bit good.
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I liked this episode and this thread,so much hate
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>>161272242
>I liked it and I feel everyone missed the point
Care to spoonfeed me the point? I dropped it halfway through episode 2.
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>>161273416
Not him but Khara version still counts as CG.
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>>161273498
>Drawn by hand and then digitally colored
>Counts as CG
>Hand drawn animation counts as CG
You can't actually be this stupid.
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>>161273522
Well, yeah, it is CGI to a certain extents since a computer stylize it and generates what you see. It would look very different if no CGI at all was involved.
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>>161273618
When people talk about CG anime, they don't mean digitally colored. All modern anime is digitally colored.
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Could anyone spoonfeed me on what was the significance of calling the tin guy Yoshitsune? It only happened at the beginning and didnt pop up again.
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>>161274138
Because Nene is Hideyoshi's wife, next time pay attention in Japanese history class.
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>>161274138
Muh mythology
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This show is just so rewarding and interesting every week, I wish everyone didn't drop it after the first episode (even if it was shit).
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>>161274354
Only retards drop episodic shows before episode 3.
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>>161274498
it's hard to know how episodic a show will be by the first episode, since many first episodes of non-episodic shows are self-contained (FMA:B, for example).
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>>161268325
Last week sub rips were a whole day late so only a couple people watched in time for the thread.
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>Truck-kun
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Well this definitely wins the most inconsistent anime of this year award.

Also fuck you I thought episode 5 was good.
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>>161274832
Don't stand in the fucking road
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>>161274837
>I thought episode 5 was good.
said no one ever.
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>>161274861
Hence the 'fuck you'.
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>>161274837
That's the beauty of being episodic. You can opt out of garbage episodes.
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Pot and the cat were real and everything else was a dream right, he was killed by a truck and she went into coma from the sadness.
Her surroundings all came together and formed a dream that coincidentally soothed her all her emotions and woke her up.

kino
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Crazy episode. So my theory is that Pol and the robot are the same person.
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>>161275078
It's probably something along those lines. Or Pot was a real communist dictator.

>>161275081
>So my theory is that Pol and the robot are the same person.
Impossible.
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>>161272960
Bubuki Buranki
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot
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>>161275190
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Pol killed the one trying to cuck him
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>>161275081
>So my theory is that Pol and the robot are the same person
Sasuga Anon!
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>>161275211
Yeah anon, I think we picked up on that. Still surprising to see an anime episode about Khmer Rouge.
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>>161275211
>He presided over a totalitarian dictatorship,[6] in which his government made urban dwellers move to the countryside to work in collective farms and on forced labour projects. The combined effects of executions, strenuous working conditions, malnutrition and poor medical care caused the deaths of approximately 25 percent of the Cambodian population.[7][8][9][10] In all, an estimated 1 to 3 million people (out of a population of slightly over 8 million) perished as a result of the policies of his four-year premiership.[11][12][13]
Truly the most wonderful form of government.
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Great animation style but the story itself was sort of unsatisfying because there was no agency. They were just watching everything happen. Reminded me of a Studio Ghibli movie for that reason (in a bad way).
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>>161272396
Fuck off, cancer
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>>161275336
There tends to be a trend with these episodes in that they lay out a fairly dull story, then right at the end they kick in the twist.
It works surprisingly well since people generally remember the beginning and end of a story rather than the middle.
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>>161275576
Yeah, in the case of 18if it almost works because it's an anime about dreams, after all, and dreams are usually just a mess of information rather than being a story with a plot.
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Acting like all CG is garbage is a fucking disgusting meme
Fuck you, 2D zealots. I like a lot of CG shows and think their CG is good. Nothing you say to me will change my mind. Kill yourselves if you really can't stand the fact people like me exist and you can't do absolutely anything about it
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>>161275624
This isn't the Berserk thread, it's okay to like CG here.
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>>161275078
There's no reason to hate Pol if he was killed by a truck.

The truth is as presented as it did in the episode. Pot and Pol came to Japan to study aboard, met Nene. Pol, being some naive boy, kept doing whatever he thought was right. The second time, he went too far and put his life in danger, so his country took him back from poor influence. Continuing being the naive tool that he was, he became an incompetent puppet king, executing every citizen who was against his policies. Pot tried to talk sense to him and he got executed as well. News of Pot's death reached Japan, Nene went into coma from shock. She finally wakes up when news of King Pol getting executed has reached Japan.
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>>161275624
You're that idiot who doesn't know anything about animation at all, flagrantly flaunts this, and then says "I don't care if you can explain things about anime because I think it looks cool" aren't you?
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>>161276083
But /m/ is full of casual faggots who think Majestic Prince and the new Mazinger movie look good. If you're going to fling assmad insults, and least get them right.
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>>161276197
/m/ shitposters need to stay in /m/
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>>161276445
Are you illiterate?
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>>161275939
If knowing nothing is disagreeing with retarded extremist opinions and liking what you don't like, I'll continue knowing nothing
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>>161276499
>I'll continue knowing nothing
I know you will.
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>>161276197
Are you surprised? /m/ is about mecha, and most mecha are done in 3DCG these days even if the rest of the show is 2D. In /a/, rejecting 3DCG makes sense because you still have new 2D anime to discuss. If /m/ were to completely reject 3DCG like that, all discussion about anime there would be limited to forcing themselves to discuss old stuff that has already been discussed to death. The board would die even more than it already is
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>>161276589
>all discussion about anime there would be limited to forcing themselves to discuss old stuff
You realize that /m/ is 45% toku, 45% old mecha, 9% Symphogear generals, and 1% other stuff, right?
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Is there a webm of this scene? It gave me chills
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>>161276992
i mean, yeah, in this exact thread >>161271432
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>Episode looks like Jimmy Neutron with some kind of crayon filter on it
>/a/ shits its pants with praise

Sasuga
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>muh Hamlet
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I didn't like the fact that this episode didn't let the main cast interact with them
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>>161268325
I have no idea why the threads are so dead.
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>>161268243
I think I might rewatch this a few more times before fully understanding what the fuck was going on.
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Full opening when?
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>>161277196
I agree. The other episodes had some interaction but this it was just going through pol pot's memory lane while passively watching.
There was some interaction and stuff with the roboted king, but the main story had nothing to do with the main characters.
Still, there wouldn't have been an episode without the detailed story of the friends of the sleeping syndrome girl.
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>>161277233
its a references episode
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>>161277233
I just chalk up the unexplainable parts to being interpretive dream symbolism.
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Dayum this episode was 10/10. It's a shame that most of /a/ has dropped it.
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>>161277108
More like pixar/dream works, anime has finally reached their level.
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>>161277313
It's already out
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>>161277352
This episode was better than any Pixar movie I've seen.
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>>161277352
CG already reached perfection in the Winter though.
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>>161277422
Let's not oversell it.
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>>161277443
Pixar movies are technically good (and I mean on a technical level) but uninspired and boring in their visuals and stories.
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>>161276197
But Majestic Prince looks good.
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>>161277347
>>161277347
the nice thing is this episode stands alone well enough you can still recommend it to people who dropped
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>>161277747
>Majestic Prince looks good.
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>>161277470
Ratatouille was a fantastic story with enough depth for an adult and simple enough storytelling for any kid to follow.
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>>161277470
I also get that feeling,they recycle design,that every thing looks the same after a while,I can't watch it anymore
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>>161277848
It does though, what is wrong with it?
Is it just because it is CG?
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>>161277936
>It does though
Textures look awful, and movement is the typical awkward CG movement with spinning shakycam instead of actual choreography for the fights where mechs move with style and weight and take cool looking damage. People dislike CG for a reason, and it's because it can't stack up to good hand drawn, especially with mechs. Video games is one thing, but CG mech anime is garbage.
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>>161278159
>Video games is one thing, but CG mech anime is garbage.

What is Knights of Sidonia?
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>>161278214
>What is Knights of Sidonia?
A hilariously bad looking anime?
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>>161278159
It looks cool though, fights are fast paced and detailed, maybe not as good as the best 2D example bu t better than your average hand drawn fights.
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>>161278260
pretty sure it was the most popular show that aired in its season, but what does Japan know?
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I dropped it on ep. 2 but this week's episode looks interesting, can I watch it without seeing the other ones?
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>>161278490
yes, but there's no reason to not watch all of them
i think they're just as good
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>>161278490
Yeah but you don't want to skip 3, 5, or 6.
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>>161278490

>>161277196 100% you can without watching the others
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>>161275778
Wasnt it also implied that, as a witch, Nene influenced (hypnotised) Pol to fire a nuke on his own country, which in turn got him the death sentence. We have had a few episodes already where witches affect the real world. What bothers me with this interpretation thought is that the main characters kind of shrug off at the end, which is not an appropriate reaction to witnessing someone brainwash someone else into nuking a country.
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>>161273492
I was talking about episode 6, since many people said that the mecha sequence didn't made sense, I don't think there has been a "point" to the series overall, each episode is an enterily different thing.
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>>161278705
the main character personality has always been influence by the witch,it would be more weird if he actually cared about the nuke
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>>161278814
Cat dude should have cared. Still, likely they didn't really understand what the fuck was going on, and it's like what was said earlier, they were just watching, powerless.
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>>161278705
You realize it misfired so no one really got hurt, right? They were obviously panicking before they realized nothing went off.
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The episode was great, lads
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What next, human lampshades?
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>>161279141
>>161279243
I just realised that the mountain of glasses symbolised all the intellectuals that Pol Pot killed.
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>>161279273
The intelligensia are the enemy of the revolution!
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>>161279273
Fucking /Pol/
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I bet next episode is going to be about a girl who is in a coma and she is living out a fantasy life there and the protagonist meets her and helps her fulfill her fantasy
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>>161279391
You said that last week and it turns out to be untrue
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>>161279626
I got a hunch this time
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every time I come to a 18if thread(except for last week),I feel much more smarter,since people help clarify thing
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It's been a while since i last saw an actual discussion on /a/
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Damn, is this anime good? This thread makes me want to try it out.
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>>161280221
Try it out and join us. The first episode was the worst so far though
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Reminder that the BDs have 4 episodes and are therefore only half the price of usual anime BDs and that you should buy them thank you for listening
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>>161280221
its a episodic,meaning every episode is a different theme,genre,and the art changes every episode,so does the ed,there is a lot of symbolism and foreshadowing,every episode don't connect with each other so,every episode is a stand alone,that gives subtle hints

1st episode is the worst,2nd is popular,and 3rd is considered the best,4th had a 10min story stretched into 23min,5th was great,it had some foreshadow and hints to the story and got a great discussion on /a/ that make it more popular than 2nd,6th was rushed, and 7th is just weird with a lot of reference to things like communist and wizard of oz,
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>>161268243
>kino
>>>/tv/
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>>161280598
>weird
I loved episode 3 but I loved this even more
It was beautiful both in visuals and music
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This episode was weird. Our characters just took the backseat and watched through the witch's dream. In the end she woke up because her dream became true?
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>>161278705
I don't think she brainwashed him at all rather she made him remember what he had forgotten. The analogy to him being the tin man from oz was meant to explain that he had lost his heart and feelings for his friends and people. The people from his country took him away after he tried to run in the street and they even forced him to sign the papers to execute his best friend. The point was that he had lost his feelings due to all the cruel things he was forced to do and ended up doing horrible things. The ending would be explained as him calling off the nuke and having it end as a misfire which his people would see as treason and executed him. The ending would then be explained that nene wanted to see him or pot but no longer could which would line up twice with the title of the episode, "and then there were none."

This would mean that nene intentionally went into the dream to reach pol because she wanted to see him again and stop him from doing the horrible things he's doing. Looking at it this way, haruto and doc had no need to do anything, as the problem and witch were solved by the other characters. They simple fit in to the story as the other two companions to the tin man from oz, which themes were also presented strongly in the episode, while being blatantly explained at both the beginning and end.
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>>161272396
Ironic, considering how infamous Gonzo is for its CGI abusage.
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>>161280829
Truly the EOTY.
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>>161280829
>nene wanted to see him or pot
pretty sure it's just Pot, given the "I want to see him, but you killed him"
This letter was probably meant for Pot too.

And I think the dream sequence took place at the night before Pol's execution day, to remind and let him understand why he deserves to die.
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Anyone want to add me in the game? I'd: 6660104751
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>>161281569
Sure thing. Mine's 20292440025.
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>>161281393
Considering the themes of the episode and the references to oz I'd assume she meant both of them, maybe even kuro as well. If not, then the 2nd most likely would be Pol because he received the letter and that would be enough reason for him to come see her as she planned. Most of the episode were also memories of Pol, where as Pot wasn't alive in the present dream world so it would be very likely the letter was indeed meant for Pol. You could also consider the reference to nene and hideyoshi as further proof.

>to remind and let him understand why he deserves to die
I don't think it's meant to be taken as a dark revenge theme. Nene cared about her friends a lot and I don't think she wanted Pol to suffer rather than remember and make amends for what he's done.
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>>161281954
ID: not found are you star-if,he just added me?if not then,maybe your id is wrong,
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>>161282463
Yeah, that's me.
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Major ntr episode?
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>Questionable quality every episode
>Knock it completely out of the park on one episode
This shit is movie quality, so many great moments
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>>161282138
>Pot wasn't alive in the present dream world so it would be very likely the letter was indeed meant for Pol.
I doubt she would send a warm flowery letter to the present Pol who had cause all 70,000 deaths including the one she loved. The letter was sent in the past, it's part of the reason why Pol was rushing to build an empire, to welcome her.
>Nene cared about her friends a lot and I don't think she wanted Pol to suffer
until he killed the one she loved, at that point, she no longer saw him as a friend, and things could never go back the way it used to.
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Anyone know the ED name?
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>>161283303
Anon you baka.
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>>161283303
https://itunes.apple.com/jp/album/id1268970426?app=itunes
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After finally getting a chance to watch this episode, this has to be where absolutely all of the budget went. The animation quality was amazing, the story was entertaining despite the simplicity and this might be the best ED yet. This is definitely the episode of the season from what has aired so far. I don't know if the remaining episodes will be as stellar as this or the third episode but this makes up for all the faffing about from before.
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>>161282941
>The letter was sent in the past
The events of the episode happened in the dream world, which happened to line up with Pol's death in the real world. The rest were memories of the past. I don't think there's an actual physical letter that was sent in the real world. There's no way she'd be able to contact him let alone have her letter reach him in the real world, which is why she contacted him in the dream world in the first place.

>Pol was rushing to build an empire, to welcome her
I disagree. As was stated in the episode, Pol wanted to become a great nice king which all went to shit thanks to his advisers. His promise to her was to become that kind of king.

>at that point, she no longer saw him as a friend
Nene clearly still cares about him because if she didn't there's no reason for her to go through the dream to contact him. She wanted a resolution and wanted him to remember his promise and who he was. If she was just angry and wants him to suffer she'd never do all of this and try so hard to get through to him. The whole 5 passions thing was probably meant not only as a means of explaining the story but also nene's feelings.
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>>161284543
Yes I know. Thought I should mention it in case someone likes the show enough to buy it. I'm close to it right now.
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I think Nene just wanted to go back to the days of her childhood before Pol succumbed to cruelty. As in the woodcutter's story at the end, in exchange for power, he forgot what he cared about (which I guess is why they made a point in showing that he didn't remember the games they played). Nene finally realized that they couldn't go back to those times and that's why she was able to wake up.
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>>161285044
Oh, and the one she wants to see is the old Pol. She keeps saying it over and over because she can't accept that he is gone. By killing Pot he gave up on his childhood and his "humanity". By finding her she finally sees how fucked up he became as a result.
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Why are people taking the Pol being a king in real life seriously given the whole fantasy motif to the the episode?
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>>161285717
Probably because of this.
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>>161285717
At hospital there was a kid who threw away his drownings with news about king's Pol execution.
In the witch's dream this kid was a rabbit.
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>>161285717
Honestly it doesn't matter much whether he is or not. You can say it is a metaphor for power/career.
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>>161269466
slow your horses m8, lets not exaggerate a solid 7/10
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>>161284446
>Nene clearly still cares about him
She cares about making him understand why he deserves his fate, otherwise, it's unfair for all those who had suffered.
>If she was just angry and wants him to suffer she'd never do all of this and try so hard to get through to him.
It's not about wanting him to suffer, it's about forcing reality onto him, making him understand what he did, why he deserves to suffer, and that in reality, she hates him enough to shed bloody tears, let alone remaining as friends. Had the dream not occur, Pol would have died unaware of the suffering he caused for others. He would have died as the delusional happy-go-lucky guy that he was. That's the worst situation for those who held grudges for him.
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This episode was honestly great.

Hopefully this isn't the peak of what they have to offer. Kind of sucks the first episode of this show was such utter garbage otherwise I'm sure more people would watch it.
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>>161286943
>muh first episode was garbage
(You)
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I noticed that in the begining of the episode when he wakes up it it felt like it sped up randomly but actually it's just that he jumps forward since he only have one leg in the scarecrow form. It was a nice little detail.
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Dope.
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Will this episode win a Japanese Oscar?
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>>161286845
>why he deserves his fate, otherwise, it's unfair for all those who had suffered
I can see why you'd think that but I really don't think it was meant to be portrayed as an assertion of morals or doing what's supposedly right. Nene had lost her friend, cat and her one living friend is responsible. Pol killing all those people is certainly part of it, but the reason it has meaning to Nene is because Pot was part of that number, and Pol was the one who did it. She's upset about it for personal reasons, not "muh morals."

>Pol would have died unaware of the suffering he caused for others. He would have died as the delusional happy-go-lucky guy that he was
Maybe unaware but that certainly would have been far off had she not intervened. Pol was reduced to being the emotionless cruel leader of his kingdom and had Nene not contacted him in the dream world he might have done even worse things for a longer period of time, including having his nuke go off rather than stopping it at the last minute. She obviously is angry at him but more than that she wants him to return to his old self. If she really hated him and wanted him to suffer she'd let him be and have him destroy himself as a cold ruler. There's no way she'd cry over someone she doesn't care about.
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Dayum, he was ruined by being a weak faggot.Cant be helped, he seemed to be just a puppet and was disposed off later to make the people behind the scene take control and make them look good too.
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The crows scampering off the field was a nice touch.
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>>161287643
>but the reason it has meaning to Nene is because Pot was part of that number, and Pol was the one who did it. She's upset about it for personal reasons, not "muh morals."
I guess my post was a bit unclear, but this is exactly what I meant, nothing to do with morals

>There's no way she'd cry over someone she doesn't care about.
She's not crying for Pol, she's grieving that those days can never return.

And I don't think the dream is about making him stop the nuke. Everything inside it should have already happened prior to the dream. Pol did launch a nuke but it misfired on his own country, hence, the reason for his execution.
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>>161274138
Stop using the term spoonfeed. People always pretend that this board is supposed to exist for debate. Questions like this are exactly what debate is. If people call this spoonfeeding then they basically admit that this board isnt actually for anything else but shit posting.
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>>161288535
I feel like we're both on the same page at this point but
>Everything inside it should have already happened prior to the dream
The memories of the past were certainly in the past but I'm thinking the dream ended around the same time Pol was executed and Nene was responsible for influencing the misfire through her contact with Pol in the dream. This would make the newspaper article and the kid running around spreading them as the latest news consistent with Nene waking up. We have confirmation that dreams can influence the real world from previous episodes and while we've had massive changes to appearance, there hasn't been interaction with people who are dead in the real world with people alive inside the dream world. This episode would further support this since the only one interacting with the cast was Pol, where as Pot exclusively showed up in the flashbacks/memories.
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>>161288733
>this board is supposed to exist for debate.
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>second season in a row that is being saved by a small budget show
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So, what I gathered from the thread and the episode
>the petals are the missile countdown to big boom
>the missile guidance was fucked from the start because competent people got killed or just the king being a retard wanting to off his country or it was actually aimed somewhere else or nene used THE POWER OF DREAMS to tamper with the guidance to avenge tall dude but in the end she disabled the payload due to them being old friends and because trashcan dictator realized and asked for forgiveness for his action
Pretty good.
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> Superb CG work for an episode about the rise and fall of a Pol Pot-type dictator and his childhood friends
That was quite unexpected.
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I really want someone to summaries everything we figure out in this thread,im extremely impress,with the debate here
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>>161289011
>We have confirmation that dreams can influence the real world from previous episodes and while we've had massive changes to appearance
Not in the way it's presented where Pol's avatar never left the dream and lacking the time lapse of leaving to do something and entering back. In MC and our eyes, the whole talk of nukes and misfired happened in a matter of seconds.

And the misfire occurred before they even got to the topic of nukes. It was shown to fail at reaching the moon and was already falling back to his country before then.

I'd say the dream occur on the night prior to his execution.
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Well, this episode was a pleasant surprise. When the hell did Gonzo of all studios get good at CG?
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>>161290612
They've been trying for almost two decades, after all.
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>>161268243
>kino
Kill yourself
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>>161290612
>When the hell did Gonzo of all studios get good at CG?
they revolutionize it,did you know watch the last exile?
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Why is this show so all over the place?
>2 amazing episodes
>2 mixed episodes
>2 mediocre episodes
>1 terrible episode
Also, are the directors trying to outdeep each other?
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https://www.bilibili.com/video/av13534565/
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>>161291320
Nice work from Inori.
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>>161291320
It's like soft pop from the late 90s/early 00s.
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>>161290382
>Pol's avatar never left the dream and lacking the time lapse of leaving to do something and entering back
I think the dream being a one shot thing makes more sense than the alternative of it being split between multiple nights. Nene seems older than she was portrayed in the flashbacks and there would naturally be a time gap for Pol's spirit to be broken by his advisers. This and as you said, neither haruto, doc or Pol left and came back to the dream which is different from previous episodes where they did.

>It was shown to fail at reaching the moon and was already falling back to his country before then
So rather than her directly influencing him to stop the missile perhaps the timing of the dream was because that was the last possible time she would have been able to see him? In which case the misfire would indeed have had to have happened during or around a short time before or after the dream. We could assume a couple of days would have to pass for deliberation over his death sentence.

>I'd say the dream occur on the night prior to his execution
I agree. This would place the dream as occurring during or after the misfire and ending before his execution.
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>>161291320
Last weeks ED was pretty good as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6JKqhBGQJw&list=LLCHpuK0NrIKOsFNVI4Xl6PQ&index=7
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Damn that was a good ending.
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so why was nene asleep?
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>>161292863
She overdosed on communism.
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>>161292863
The shock of learning that Pol turned into a despot and Pot was executed.
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>>161278387
Popular based on what? And besides, Japan's the place where Kemono Friends got popular, they're renowned for eating garbage.
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>>161293429
If le Japan taste is so bad why don't you fuck off to /co/ dumbass?
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>>161293486
>le
Kill yourself.
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>>161283444
ED single when?
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>>161289720
Do you not understand the difference between debate and discussion?
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>Check 2ch
>The phrase よくわからんけど appears no less than 10,000 times
I swear to god, the otaku at 2ch are some of the stupidest fucking people alive.
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>CG argument thread
>nobody mentions etotama
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>>161293969
It's already out on iTunes, hopefully it won't be too long now. From the looks of the previous ED uploads, it'll be out shortly.
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>>161294416
It looked like a videogame from 10 years ago.
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>pol
>king pot
>mountains of glasses from dead people

is this an allegory for Pol Pot and Kmer Rouge in Cambodia or am I missing something?
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>>161294416
I had it in mind, I just forgot to post a webm.
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>>161294856
Pol was the king, Pot was the servant/friend who was executed for treason. Their names were obviously inspired by Pol Pot but it's more of a generic totalitarian dictatorship country like North Korea/etc. as I'm pretty sure Pol Pot didn't have nukes.
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>>161294929
I hope Kim Jong Un isn't a weeb or else anime will die forever soon ;_;
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>>161294416
I wanted too, but since I saw they called both Majestic Prince and Precure CG shit for some contrived reason, I didn't see the point on bring Etotama to the table.
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>kino
/tv/ jargon should be a bannable offense across all non-/tv/ boards
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>>161295160
"Looking like shit" isn't contrived. It's pretty simple.
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>>161295249
What's wrong with MJP? The action was fun.
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>>161295199
It's far too late to stem the flow of kino, bane, etc.

Plus /a/ has its own Kino anyway.
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>>161295249
If those and Etotama look like shit, I'm sure you think the same about 80% of hand drawn animation then.
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>>161295314
There's more to good animation than "they move a lot and so does the camera".
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>>161295401
Why is the animation bad? The movement is fluid.
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>>161295419
>It moves a lot so it's good animation
Just stay on /co/.
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>>161295456
No, I said the movements were fluid. Don't strawman me. Explain why the animation is bad.
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>>161295494
He hasn't made a single real argument the whole thread. Don't bother.
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>>161295494
>No, I said the movements were fluid.
>Look, they're moving a lot and the framerate is high, that's good animation
No.

>Explain why the animation is bad.
I sure hope you have an actual response to this besides "Well I don't care/it could be worse/I don't notice that stuff anyways" but we both know you won't. The mech designs themselves are fine, but the colors are too bright and shiny and the textures are awful. They move around a lot, but it still has the awkward, jerky uncanny valley movement problem that a lot of CG has. The way the mechs moves prioritizes the fact that "they're moving a lot" over how they actually move. The choreography is boring, and there's no exaggerated stretching or distortion effects to show stylized motion. Instead, the camera just moves around a lot, and they actually you intensity/speed lines with a sort of tunnel vision cam to feign speed. The mechs also have virtually no sense of weight or inertia, and when they get hit there's no focus on the impact and no good damage effects shown. The entire fight scene is literally just "Look, we have 3D models so we can make them move a lot while moving the camera around them." There's no soul or talent behind any of the movements, and it's completely devoid of style. 18if was stylized as fuck this week and didn't try to emulated anything 2D, that's why it looked really good. MJP just looks bad. People talk about their favorite hand drawn animators all the time because of their distinct style and techniques. No one talks about their favorite CG animators because none of them have produced anything with even a shred of identity. This should tip you off that it's fundamentally lacking.

>>161295622
Please respond to my post directly without just whining like a faggot who's angry that I don't lap up garbage.
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>>161295681
>the colors are too bright and shiny and the textures are awful.
Nonsense. The colors party is just you having bad taste in aesthetics which is fine. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with the textures. They are very high quality and well rendered.

>the awkward, jerky uncanny valley movement problem that a lot of CG has
But the movement isn't jerky at all. It's very flood and smooth. How can it be an uncanny valley when it's fucking giant robots?

>The choreography is boring
Shit opinion. The choreography is quite good.

>there's no exaggerated stretching or distortion effects to show stylized motion
This doesn't really happen often in anime. Old cartoons is more your speed.

>the camera just moves around a lot, and they actually you intensity/speed lines with a sort of tunnel vision cam to feign speed
Yes, that's the purpose of the camera work. It increases the sense of speed and tension in that speed and does it well.

>The mechs also have virtually no sense of weight or inertia, and when they get hit there's no focus on the impact and no good damage effects shown
I don't know what the fuck your issue is here. There are clearly effects on every impact. Note that this is a webm without sound so obviously the hits don't feel as heavy as they would otherwise.

>There's no soul or talent behind any of the movements, and it's completely devoid of style
Total meme and worthless "criticism" that means nothing.

>No one talks about their favorite CG animators
Very few animators are actually namedropped. Most people talk about general studios. Orange definitely has a style of CG that most people like.
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>>161295984
>Respond to my post without no "no but I like it and it could be worse"
>"No but I like it and it could be worse"
You literally failed to respond to a single thing I said. You just quoted every line and said "S-So what?"
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>>161296064
No, I flat out contradicted many of your statements. Don't lie.
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>>161296097
You didn't contradict anything. The movement is awkward and jerky. Look at how 3D models in a video game move and then look at how the models in MJP. They are jerky. That's not an opinion, you're flat out lying.
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>>161296212
>They are jerky. That's not an opinion
Oh really? Why don't you quantify then? What units are you using to determine whether or not animated motion is jerky?
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>>161296268
Oh it's not jerky? What units are you quantifying to show that it's not?

Are you a woman? You argue as nonsensically as one.
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>>161296289
Apparently you suffer from brain damage. You're the one who claimed that it was not a fact and not an opinion that the motion was jerky.
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>>161296345
claimed that it was a fact and not an opinion*
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>>161296345
If only I gave a basis of comparison that anyone with eyes could discern the difference between. You're a fucking idiot.
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>>161296370
Says the guy that thinks his dumbass opinion on a subjective topic is factual.
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>>161296417
>Japanese CG studios don't lock frame rate and fuck with the motion to try to emulate hand drawn animation
There's nothing subjective about it, you fucking idiot. It's literally something they do because they think it looks good.
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>>161296490
How the fuck does that MJP webm look anything like hand drawn animation? Are you retarded? It's obviously not animated on 3s or 2s.
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I've heard good things about the 3rd and 7th episode. Is that accurate? Are the rest worth checking out?
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>>161296585
Mother of fucking God, you literally have no idea what you're talking about. Did you think saying "animated on 3s or 2s" would make you sound knowledgeable as opposed to just highlighting that you're completely talking out of your ass? Enjoy your CG trash. I can see how someone as blind and stupid as you would enjoy it.
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>>161296645
Watch the first 3 episodes and figure it out yourself. You will be lost for a while.
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>>161296645
The 7th episode is excellent, the 3rd is pretty good too. The rest range anywhere from average to sub par but even as an episodic anime, I wouldn't say it's worth it to skip through instead of watching it straight.
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>>161296645
2, 3 and 7 are all great. 6 was decent, the rest are meh.
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>>161296645
Wait until the show is over. Then watch the top five episodes people agree on.
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>>161296669
You are a fucking moron if you think that the CG in that webm was rate limited. It obviously isn't; anyone with eyes can see that. You can dislike the robots designs or colors; that's fine. But again that animation looks literally nothing at all like hand drawn animation which you just implied with your previous post. Besides just the obvious camera, hand drawn animation does not have that kind of movement. You can see it in the little details like the tail moving and the mechs rattling on impacts.
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>>161296585
HAHA YEAH FUCK THAT GUY HE'S A NIGGER
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Is this the concrete revolutio of our generation?
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>>161296856
No. It's. SenColle of our generation.
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>>161296832
>Talks about CG been animated on 2s and 3s
>Pretends they have credibility talking about movement
Sorry retard, you're done.
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>>161296748
I'm surprised the 2nd episode seems to be consistently rated higher than the rest in the threads. I liked that Haruto subverted expectations and went along with the killings and that we saw more of how the dream world and real world interact but other than that, I didn't think much of it as a standout episode.
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>>161296880
Picked up.
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>>161296880
>SenColle

I think you mean KinoColle.
Those film callbacks were all great.
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>>161296856
How is this anything at all like CR?

>>161296920
It wasn't because of the story or thematic imagery or music, it's literally because the MC's actions were so unexpected and refreshing, and there was no moral preaching afterwards.
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>>161296920
For me episode two served its purpose: keeping me from dropping the show after that terrible first episode.
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>>161285717
Keep watching after the credits.
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Damn, that was an amazing episode. I'm glad that episode 2 thread convinced me to pick this anime up.
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>>161269466
>This anime is in top 3. Maybe even AOTS

Nah, it's not a good anime. Even if you enjoy this format it's not a top tier show. But it's still surprisingly good.

For something based on a phone game with 0 expectations and some really mediocre early episodes, they've been doing some amazing work. The eps are hit or miss, but I can get behind all of them anyway.
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So is the game this is based on any good? Or is this a case of money from game funding a game loosely based on the game premise with otherwise creative freedom?
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>>161298664
This. Great episode and very impressive given the source, but a few surprisingly good episodes isn't AOTS.
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>but the sharp blade of the axe cut through the woodman's body, slicing him clean in half.
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>>161296748
>6 was decent,
6 was the best episode.
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>>161296856
This isn't complete and utter shit, so no.
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>>161299387
Did you mix up the numbers?
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>>161299404
Found the retard.
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>>161299637
The only thing worse than the show is the fanbase that confuses nonlinear storytelling with intelligent writing.
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>>161299711
>Brainlet got filtered out 4 episodes into season one
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>watch this shit
>though I understood it
>read the non-shitposts
>find out I'm retarded
I cried like a faggot too.
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I am so fucking glad I undropped this now.
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>>161288226
>tfw that's not snow
>that's fallout
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>>161295984
>This doesn't really happen often in anime.
You're more likely to find it in fightan shounen. but yes, that is currently difficult to pull off in CG, at least for anime studios, but technology marches on.

>>161295681
>but the colors are too bright and shiny
that clearly is an artistic choice and not a matter of technology.
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>>161299613
It was a brilliant comedy.
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>>161301596
>>161301626
Moooooooot
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>>161301566
That's not an artistic choice, that's how it all looks. Look at any CG mechs, or Etotama, or anything else posted here. If it's not cel shading on 3D models, it looks like someone barfed a rainbow onto it.
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>>161301730
still too shiny?
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>>161301730
>it looks like someone barfed a rainbow onto it.
At least in the case of precure this very much intentional. Kids love saturated colors.
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>>161301876
forgot my pictures. For reference, 2D smile
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>>161301895
and 3D. And this is from 2012
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>>161301860
Look at the black steel and the skin of her face. How can you say it's not?

>>161301876
>Kids love saturated colors.
That makes sense.
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>>161301948
>black steel
yeah, the ship models were meh, no argument there, I picked it for the character

>the skin of her face
note really seeing the "shiny" there, the shading is quite flat.
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>>161302013
Oh come on, her hand looks like it's almost glowing, and so does her face on the close shot.
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>>161302038
"shiny" implies specular reflection. "glowing" sounds more like bright illumination or bloom.
not sure what you are looking for. less saturated colors? different color palettes? flatter shading? darker scenes?
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>>161302238
>less saturated colors
Yes. The coloring on CG textures looks awful.

You also might want to reference a dictionary sometime if you're trying to split hairs between "shiny" and "glowing".
http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/glowing
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>>161302238
Not him, but the area around her silhouette is of a lighter tint
Not noticeable unless you look for it though.
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>>161302414
>Not noticeable unless you look for it though.
I don't understand how people can't see CG models glow like that. The textures and colors are horrible.
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>>161302414
yeah, that's bloom.

>>161302294
I can't think of any example that uses more muted colors which I'd also consider a good showcase of celshading. There obviously are blame and berserk, but they have too many issues.
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>>161287480
yeah, this cut is stellar
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I'll give it points for an original and very polished aesthetic and presentation, but again the story was a dud. The only episode I think has been good so far is 3, and 6 started off really well until it went full Samurai Flamenco for no reason.
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>>161303390
Oh, and I guess 2 was ok as well.
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>>161302294
How's this? The scene is not exactly representative of the movie, but it had a few scenes without direct lighting at least.
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>>161303875
The nice backgrounds and lack of direct lighting are almost enough to distract me from the miniature sun glued to her head and the flat looking textures on his face and jacket.
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>>161303875
Stop it. That retard is the kind of extreme CGI hater who'll nitpick anything to stick to his "CG is objectively garbage and anyone who disagrees is blind and/or retarded" bullshit
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>>161304161
Are you the retard from earlier who was pretending that you know anything at all about animation and made yourself look like a complete fucking retard by showing that you don't? Because you sound just asshurt enough to be that person.
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>>161286150
Yeah I know but I wonder why the director went so far as to heavily rely on the authoritarian regime aspect as some sort of allegory, with the very obvious critique of Pol Pot?

>>161297246
Yeah I did. The King Pol thing is just something that seeped into the dream from the other kid drawing stories and shouting them out.

It mentions a Woodman who continues to work hard but despite that is cut in half with an axe, in exchange for a completely tin body he lost his heart. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_Woodman

This seems to be the most relevant given the Wizard of Oz connection.
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>>161303949
>miniature sun glued to her head
part of her character design. the green bits glow

>>161303949
>flat looking textures on his face and jacket
we're talking anime here. flat is not the issue, it's fairly normal.
sure, something looks off, but I don't think it's the textures.
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>>161304325
>something looks off, but I don't think it's the textures.
It's not moving. What could it be besides the textures? The 3D models are too saturated and "round" looking which just makes them look weird.
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>>161304380
>What could it be besides the textures?
There is more than meshes and textures to 3D rendering.
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>>161304403
>There is more than meshes and textures to 3D rendering.
In a still frame? What else tops those?
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>>161304239
Yeah yeah. People don't know anything about animation if they dare like what you don't and dare disagree with the most wise animation expert critic that you are. Whatever you say. man
You're objectively right because you're you, the great person entrusted with the objective universal truths of animation quality by God Himself
Now seriously. If I don't notice anything wrong and like it, why should I dislike it just because people like you go on angry rants about it on anonymous imageboards?
Why should I change my mind because an anonymous dude on the internet says so?
Who are you? Why should I listen to you and not treat your posts as the ramblings of a retarded madman?
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>>161304492
shading and lighting, whatever trickery they do to get line art, post filters,
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>>161304538
You're the retard who cries about "2D zealots". Just stop talking, you fucking idiot.

>>161304607
>shading and lighting
Shading is part of coloring, and we already talking about lighting.

>post filters,
Pretty sure it's not that.
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>>161304642
And you're the one who cries about people liking CG and daring to think it's not absolute garbage
Just stop talking, you fucking idiot
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>>161304642
>Shading is part of coloring
not really
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>>161304710
Just stop posting. Every post you make is "I don't know anything and I'm proud." You're literally retarded.

>>161304728
>not really
It's still a step where you add color. Most of what is in that webm is.
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>>161304839
>It's still a step where you add color.
that's like calling everything that involves plants "planting".
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>>161304927
No, that's like saying putting spaced out holes in soil for seeds is part of planting.
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>>161304839
Yes. I'm proud of not being a sheep and having my own opinions. Again, why should I listen to your bullshit?
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>>161305668
>I'm proud of being ignorant and stupid
Good for you.
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>>161305698
When being "ignorant and stupid" means I don't agree with a retard on the internet who thinks his opinions are facts? sure
Do you seriously think you're gonna change my mind or something if you keep repeating yourself?
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>>161305926
Yes, being ignorant and stupid means you talk about thinks you have no understanding about and then insist you don't care about how those things actually work because "I feel this way and that's all I care about."
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>>161306163
Cool.Keep being butthurt because I refuse to hate CG
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>>161306352
Keep on being a retard.
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>>161306381
You keep being a retard as well
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>>161306435
That's only you, ignorant retard.
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>>161306479
But you too are an ignorant retard
If you claim you aren't, then I can also claim I'm not
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>>161306530
>then I can also claim I'm not
When you proudly display your ignorance about animation while talking about animation, that's not how it works. You're just a fucking retard.
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>>161306569
Seriously. All I proudly did is disagree with you.
You're just a fucking retard mad because people won't suck your cock and parrot your hatred of CG
Also, posting your opinion like it's an objective fact people need to agree with or else they're ignorant blind retards is the true proud display of ignorance here
So, kill yourself
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>>161306891
>I'm a fucking retard with no standards and you won't ever stop me from staying ignorant while eating garbage
We get it.
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>>161306919
>muh standards
>muh you're eating garbage
The ultimate last resort of faggots who can't accept other opinions existing. Thanks for proving I don''t need to listen to you
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>>161306972
>The ultimate last resort of faggots who can't accept other opinions existing.
That's great and all, but it doesn't change the objective fact that you're a shit eating retard who tries entering discussion about things he doesn't understand, then whine when people don't like eating garbage like he does.
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https://youtu.be/2yFthLcDYMY?t=40s

Whenever the main cast was sucked into the deck of cards just made me think of this. Ultimately the episode was alright, the animation slowly grew on me, but it was very irritating having the main characters shoved further and further into the background. Now you might say "well that's just what needed to happen for the episode to work" or "it's an anthology" that doesn't make it any less sloppy. What started out as Polbot telling them that they have to see Nene or else they would be stuck in their goofy ass forms led to them siphoned into Yugioh cards and ultimately sitting in front of several TVs.

And it's not that it could have been handled better, that's always going to be true for any work, but there was the potential for Haruto to finally encounter a witch with a problem that couldn't be solved by telling her everything was going to be diejoeboo, just BEE herself, or going on dates with. An issue where there wasn't much healing he could have provided and simply surviving the nightmare was the goal. Showing him trying to make it in the dreamworld dictatorship as shit hit the fan would've also been consistent with the semi-recurring idea that dying in the dream world could mean death in real life.

tl;dr imo 7/10, at worst a 6.5, could've been an 8 or 8.5.
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>>161307022
No? All I did was say I like CG and defend myself against all your agressive posts whining because people are having fun the wrong way and dare like what he doesn't
You haven't proven that you know any more than I do
And anyways, do you need to be a profesional chef or food critic before you can say you like or dislike the taste of something?
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>>161307105
>and defend myself
There was actual discussion about animation and you responded with "I don't care! I like it so fuck you!" You're literally a retarded child.
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>>161307135
Sorry for liking stuff, man. I didn't know it was that wrong and childish to like what you don't like
And quoting my posts and rewriting them to fit your narrative of me being literally ignorant and proud of it isn't any less childish, so fuck off
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>>161307199
>fit your narrative of me being literally ignorant and proud
But you literally say that in any thread when you try to talk about CG not being shit, and then someone points out that you have no idea what you're talking about because you try to argue about technical aspects you know literally nothing about. You whine like a fucking retard every time.
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>>161307237
And right now you sound like an obssesive autistic stalker if you can remember all the times I've talked about CG and even know that all those posts are from the same person
The techical talk doesn't matter because that's like arguing someone can't say they enjoy or dislike the taste of something they've eaten if they don't have any knowledge of food criticism
Also, I "whine like a fucking retard every time" because all those times you people try to force me to agree with you. And the most agressively you try to push your bullshit, the most agressively I'll reject it.
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>>161307380
>And right now you sound like an obssesive autistic stalker if you can remember all the times I've talked about CG and even know that all those posts are from the same person
You complain about "2D zealots" which is a dead giveaway, because no one else is that butthurt about people liking real animation. This is the third time I've seen you do it. You type the exact same way and make the exact same non-arguments every time. If you don't want people to spot you, then stop screaming like a fucking retard every time someone calls CG garbage.
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>>161307456
And you stop screaming like a fucking retard every time people say CG is not garbage. I'm not butthurt about "people liking real animation". You're however butthurt about people liking CG and want to make everyone dislike it. That's the problem. You're trying to tell people what they shoud like and dislike and there's no justification for that
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>>161307552
>Stop telling me a thing I don't like is bad!
>I don't care if I can't articulate past "But I like it!"
Just kill yourself you absolute fucking retard. This isn't a hugbox, and no one is going to respect your opinion just because it's your opinion. You also need to learn to sage. Seriously, how fucking stupid can you even be?
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holy shit you guys still at it?
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>>161307598
>This isn't a hugbox,
Bingo. So, no one is obligated to agree with you about CG
It's not a hugbox for me. But it isn't a hugbox for you either
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>>161307674
>So, no one is obligated to agree with you about CG
And the people who try to talk about what it does well get a good response. The retards who can't form a thought beyond "B-But I like it!" get told they're fucking retards.
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>>161307703
And why do I need to have deep knowledge of animation before I can say what I like and dislike?
Do I also need to know about food criticism before I can say I like the taste of something?
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>>161307761
>Go to /ck/
>"I like this dish"
>"Why?"
>"Because it tastes good"
>"What about it tastes good?"
>"I just like it ok, fuck you."
Going somewhere for hobby enthusiasts and being to articulate even a mildly original thought about said hobby means you're a fucking retard. There's no room for argument on that. And you still haven't figured out how to sage yet, which means you're a newfag on top of being a retard. I'm going to stop responding now, just please kill yourself already. The world will be better off.
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>>161307846
>you need to dislike this dish
>you're a retarded faggot if you like it
Nah. The world will be better if retards like you trying to force their opinions as facts and not allowing other opinions all killedd yourselves
And why do I need to sage? I haven't saged because I don't see the need to do it.
I'm sorry, but all you've done is prove that I'm doing the right thing. Because I hate people like you. So, if what I'm doing pisses you off so much, good
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>>161307099
It bothered me, too. I'm not even sure why Pol needed their help in the first place. He had the deck of cards that just spontaneously sucked them into it. Literally nothing would have been different without MC and catman being there.
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What's this about?
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>>161307099
>>161308416
I think it's part of the relative powerlessness of the protagonist in this particular series. Normally an episode of a show like this is a problem followed by MC having the solution to that problem. 18if, so far, is a bunch of problems that MC either solves competently, solves unconventionally, or fails to solve at all.

It works in my opinion because this is an anime about dreams. Dreams are whirlwinds of information often with little sense to be made of them, so having a story about someone who asks for help (Pol) from two people who end up being unable to help him, and being unable to even help himself when he thinks he remembers the reason his waifu is crying only to get it hilariously wrong (he thought she was upset about the cat because he so completely failed to remember that he killed his best friend), failing to recognize the cat's cradle things, and so on. It's clear he had opportunities to satisfy the Witch but was completely incompetent. And Haruto and Kanzaki were in much the same situation, failing to put together the clues they were seeing (about the five emotions), or even determine whether that information would have been any help to them at all, to the point where they literally got stuck in a room full of monitors being literally consigned to the role of observers. Not to mention Kanzaki's offhanded joke early in the episode about how he's not a big history buff, which explains why neither of them immediately thought something was strange when two boys named Pol and Pot appeared.

I'm not sure what to make of Pol's character (the trashcan robot version), whether he's actually Pol wandering into this dream somehow (like Haruto and Kanzaki were) or whether he's entirely a creation of the Witch that she lured to herself so that she could vent her feelings of rage against him.
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>>161308416
>I'm not even sure why Pol needed their help in the first place.
He was that unaware that he was the root of the problem. He misinterpreted his journey as a hero quest to rescue Nene from the tower, so Nene went "No, you two have nothing to do with this, back off" and locked them in a room while she settled things with Pol.
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What a great episode I wonder what people in the thread are talking abou
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>>161309501
Be the change you wish to see in the thread.
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>>161309501
Well atleast it's discussion.
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>>161301914
If this is a little girl show, why do they such suggestive poses?
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2>1>3>6>4>5
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I don't get why everyone hates 5.
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>>161310121
Because that's how idols dance, and little girls in Japan want to be idols.
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>>161310449
It was a slightly less good retread of the same basic concept covered in 3.
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>>161270305
Princess Principal 5 is the best of anything this season.
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>>161310121
I know just look at that whorish ribbon bouncing, unsupported by a ribbon bra.
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>>161310957
>A good fight sequence on a train
>Best episode of the season
No.
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>>161311071
There is a lot more to it than that.
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>>161311561
There's really not. The thing with the dad was handled pretty clumsily like everything else in the story that tries to be clever, because they beat you over the head with it until there's no doubt left as to what anything means. The highlight of the episode was the train fight sequence.
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>>161268243
Between this and the GOAT Noratoto episode this was a weird week for Anime
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>>161311618
There really is. The entire episode was full of cuts that would be highlights in most shows.
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>>161311672
Noratoto?
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>>161311676
>The entire episode was full of cuts that would be highlights in most shows.
That's just completely wrong. The arms linked swing across the traintops and the the swordfight were the only really notable cuts from the episode. Best animation this season is still Hero Academy and Made in Abyss has better art direction and scene composition and framing. Feel free to post some of the scenes you think are amazing, though.
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Just marathoned it thanks to this thread.

7=3>5>2>6>4>1

Hope they won't fuck up the rest.
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>>161311672
>>161311745
Oh, Noraneko.
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>>161311749
I never said anything about "amazing". I said full of cuts that would be highlights in most shows. Not sure how much anime you watch but that isn't exactly a high bar.
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>>161311942
I watch at least a dozen shows a season, and the average cuts in the episode are nothing impressive. Try watching more shows.
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>>161313089
You are wrong.
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>>161310449
Hell, I don't get why everyone hates 1.
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>>161310449
I thought 5 was kind of popular?it had good discussion,mix-reaction,but then change up their mind to positive
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>>161313227
Watch more anime, dumb casual.
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poru poto
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>go to pixiv
>5 pieces of fanart
>one of them is futa
Shit
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Sleep tight
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>>161317796
>making the best girl a futa
For what purpose?
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>>161317796
>>161317878
You guys are joking right?
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>>161317935
No
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=64028361
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>>161269466
No? There's a lot of really mediocre episodes that attempt to be more deep or evocative than they actually turn out. It gets credit for being fairly ambitious artistically despite actually having some really terrible technical execution at times.

It's kind of like Space Dandy there's gonna be a lot of hit or miss.
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It's a real shame that this is the worst selling thing this season.
This might be the worst selling thing ever.
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>>161318654
>worst selling thing ever
Seriously? I find it hard to believe anything could sell less than Flip Flappers and Fractale
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>>161319410
The sales are in double digits.
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>>161319488
im scared now,I wanted gonzo to go back to things like speed grapher,I don't want them to go bankrupted again
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>>161319488
Jesus Christ. What a disaster
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>>161270698
Not all of it look great though.
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Best episode of the season? Best episode of the season.
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>>161319488
Jesus christ. This show deserves better than that.
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>>161291518
I read that as:
>it sucks
Or at least that's my take.
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>>161296920
I kept going because of how edgy it was, almost comically so. People say it's refreshing, and maybe it is for them, but I didn't really find it all that interesting or new. The bad guys were just cartoonishly bad people where there was really very little moral ambiguity.
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>>161321121
What's refreshing was Haruto rejecting the professor's moralfaggotry and even killing the mastermind. You see, Haruto in episode 1 gave the vibes of generic nice guy moralfag self insert MC. The kind of character that would have actually listened to the professor instead of siding with the witch.
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>>161295059
Didn't he read and like manga before he returned to NK? I am pretty sure I read something about that years ago, around the time when Il died.
Kinda reminds me of this >>161270890
Guess Pol Pot and him were the main influences here.
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I wonder if they gonna change style again

>>161268325
Nope, still watching it
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>>161288226
the eye dilation and glance upwards too. great job of conveying emotion when you only get one eye to do it with.
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>>161304839
>>161304492
you need to read more about 3d before you discuss it. i'm not going to call you retarded because you don't sound like you are but you sound like you haven't done any 3d modeling before.
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>>161321121
yeah i almost dropped the show because i couldnt handle the edge. came on /a/ expecting to see it being bashed and instead everyone loved it. wat
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>>161325519
Blame all the tons of shows with generic retarded moralfag self insert MCs. After episode 1, at least I expected him to be like that and listen to the professor. Instead he went 100% on the witch's side which was a pleasant surprise, given the expectations
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>>161325519
Like the other guy said, it's very rare for the MC to actually go full edge like that. It was refreshing in a way.
>>
It's actually very good even though I'm no fan of episodic form. Surprised its flopping so hard. Maybe its because of the lack of reappearing girl cast (besides out of focus mahouimouto)/yaoi shit?
>>
Is anyone subtitling the EDs? It's really annoying me that the HS rips no longer have ED subs.
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>>161326392
My version from HS had subbed ED.
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>>161326464
I haven't watched Ep 7 yet (in fact I held off for this reason); was this true for episodes 5 and 6 for you, for which I have not had ED subs?
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>>161326392
HS has subbed ED on this episode
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>>161326535
The episode 6 one was not subbed I don't still have episode 5.
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>>161326808
Okay, thanks, so it's just a case-by-case thing. Sasuga CR, here's to your consistent quality.
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>>161326670
>That distortion when she yells
Fuck that caught me off guard
What is it actually called? I'm pretty sure it's not a distortion, but just some audio trick.
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>>161326874
I assumed it was to do with the song starting in the episode. Licenses for OP/ED songs are generally separate from licenses to the show hence why a lot of the time CR doesn't have OP/ED subtitles.
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>>161291256
Which episode's which again?
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what did we learn in this episode?
thats right, comunism is really really bad and should never ever be tried.
also
>mfw ending starts
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>>161329136
And now there are none
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>>161329136
We don't actually know if Pol's country was communist or not. All we learned is that totalitarian dictatorships can be pretty cruddy.
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>>161329546
He's more like a puppet than a ruler
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>>161329656
Totalitarian oligarchy, then.
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