Fate Zero is better than Stay Night.
And yes, I've read the VN.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0la5DBtOVNI
>>161259891
I agree
>>161259891
>>161260404
Why are you making a thread just to brag about being wrong?
>>161259891
they both suck so what does it matter which sucks less
>>161260169
>>161260824
The best thing to come out of Fate are these bait images.
Nah that's impossible. Nothing can beat the original VN. IYou probably didn't read the VN properly. Go back and read it again and then you'll see why it's the best.
>>161259891
The fsn and zero are of different genres and target audiance. It's pointless to compare them.
>>161259891
Literally any other Fate is better than SN
>>161259891
Don't read it at mach 45 anon
>>161259891
I agree, but people are allowed to think otherwise
The last couple of episodes of the anime were true kino
Can't wait for Strange Fake animation
>>161259891
I like both and yes ive read the VN.
>>161262920
>>161262815
>dude its a strange fake so i can summon the concept of death lol
>>161259891
It's better than Fate, worse than both UBW and HF.
>>161263020
UBW is pretty fucking bad though
>>161259891
>muh suit saber
>muh tragic background
>muh adults
>muh broskander
>muh edge
>muh BEST ANIMU FIGHTS EVAR
fuck off
>>161263018
Pretty creative and adds something new to the plate desu senpai
It's better than stupid shit like apocrypha with MUH 14 SERVANTS AND 14 MASTERS + FRIENDS
Also the story is actually good
>>161263039
>muh waifus
>muh cooking
>muh epic redman
>muh hero of justice
>muh flipflopping gil
>>161263068
well it's written by the author of baccano so it's probably going to end up the best Fate material
>>161263068
i enjoy the rest of what i read which is why that part just shits me
>>161263018
it's not really the concept of death, more like the personification of the plague
>>161259891
Well, duh.
Fate/Zero was a damn good show, everything from op to ed was well done and felt like a fucking man's show for once, it wont ever be done like this again remember
>>161259891
your opinion only counts if you read fate stay night in Japanese desu
>>161259891
Literally nobody but deranged VN elitists that try to cling to their hipster status.
Zero was insanely popular, critically well-received, and is what catapulted Fate into the spotlight (for better or for worse).
>>161259891
I like both SN and Zero, but I like SN just a bit more because of Heaven's Feel.
>>161263071
I fail to see the problem.
>Waifushit >fujoshit
>Cooking > """""taste of slsughter""""
>Redman = best servant
>Hero of justice
Zero had it too
>Flipflopping Gil
It's just a jobber king put in his place.
Obligatory classic.
>>161263590
Zero was popular because Ufotable and production value. If It was just a shitty adaptation made by A-1, it wouldn't have gathered half of the attention. The LN didn't when it was released, which only shows the story was nothing special.
>and is what catapulted Fate into the spotlight
That was GO though.
>>161259891
>Fate Zero is better than Stay Night.
Kill yourself zero ba-
>And yes, I've read the VN.
I disagree but respect your opinion. Have a good day.
>>161259891
>read
absolutely go the fuck back to whatever shithole you came from
>>161265501
Can we go back to before Fate was in the spotlight then?
>>161265537
If Fate ended up being mainstream because of Zero it'd be a fujo franchise. At least the mainstream GO brought, brought along top tier doujin artists so that's a good thing at least. Enjoy the porn.
>>161265578
GO doujins are literally quantity over quality. I have browsed at least 1000 and there are barely any good ones
>>161265647
Sort by popular ones on n hentai.
>>161259891
"The Hero of Justice" thing is fucking bullshit and I only like Zero more because the story is told by different perspectives.
>>161262815
I believe Strange Fake anime will bring back the glorious Zero-tier Fate threads on /a/.
>>161266164
hopefully. Wouldn't SF require case files first, though
>>161265501
Which Fate have the best selling LNs anyway?
>>161266172
>Wouldn't SF require Case Files
No. The sole thing that a viewer needs to accept or know is that Waver is older, and that goes without saying.
>>161266221
it would be good with some more Flat before though
>>161266164
how buttmad will /a/ be
>>161266164
No thanks.
>>161266197
I don't know but it's most likely Zero since it has actual ties with the main story.
>>161266235
Sure, but Apocrypha has also already shown Flat. If the purpose is just to introduce the groundwork for the character, that's already been done.
>>161266263
Not at all, because it's not a fight? That entire 'fight' sequence is about one page long. Those who have heard of the scene only in terms of it being hyped as some sort of "GIL BTFO" moment will be severely disappointed, if that's what you mean.
>>161265578
What is there about Zero that's Fujobait though?
>>161266961
Kirei and Gilgamesh, Kirei and Kiritsugu, Tokiomi and Kariya, Tokiomi and Gilgamesh, Kayneth and Diarmuid, Ryuunosuke and Gilles, Waver and Iskandar.
so? I read the VN too and FZ is still shit,
even japan doesn't like it too
>>161267521
What the fuck. Just because male characters interact doesn't mean they have to be having anal sex too. Literally nobody would look into any of their relationships like that besides you.
>>161267642
Fujobait doesn't mean the characters have to bang each other in-canon.
>Literally nobody would look into any of their relationships like that besides you.
You underestimate fujos.
>>161266263
Mad about what? It's not like Gil gets wrecked here. Even if he did though he's not popular at all on /a/ so if anything people would be happy
>>161262815
I will die before LN even finished.
>>161267642
Waver literally gets an erection in the novels when sleeping next to Iskandar
>>161267642
>I don't know how fujos work
Poor little anon. Go check what the majority of the F/Z doujins are about. Sort it for date and not popularity.
>Literally nobody would look into any of their relationships like that besides you.
Ahahahahahahaha
>>161263039
>He thinks suit saber riding on a motorcycle was bad
How can someone have such garbage taste?
>>161266127
This. Having to sit through Stay Night's story through Shirou's perspective 90% of the time was bloody torture.
>>161269567
it was stupid because riding skill somehow could transform the bike and also make it ride faster than it's mechanical limitations
>>161269567
Rider on bicycle was better.
>>161271313
Yeah, this. There was magic in the original, but it didn't do stupid shit like make Gil have a UFO mount or let Berserker ride a fucking plane. Zero was retarded.
>>161271840
Gil's plane thing is sound enough, since he has literally everything in his arsenal, the design is just stupid.
Lancelot is fine too because he can turn everything into his NP
The problem with shit like fate/zero and apoc is its just literally DUDE SERVANTS FIGHTING LMAO and thats it. It's fucking boring. The fun of the VN was the mystery of the holy grail war, finding out who has what, the worldbuilding and it's place in the nasuverse, and an interesting protag.
>>161272021
to be fair, FZ has a pretty strong setup. It's just the middle-part that's a bit lacking. The start and ending are great
>>161263020
UBW is abysmal
>>161265578
That's not mainstream. There were innumerable Tsukihime and F/SN doujins made over 10 years ago back when none of it was "mainstream." Fates mainsteam now because normalfags started talking about it after Fat/Zero was released.
>>161271313
All she did was put her magic plate armour on the bike and used Prana Burst.
>>161272021
>literally DUDE SERVANTS FIGHTING LMAO and thats it. It's fucking boring
Fuck off. The only reason Fate was so appealing and popular in the first place was because it had historic/legendary figures across all ages fighting each other. You're an idiot if you think otherwise.
>>161272839
premise =/= product
>>161272839
We're talking about what made it good, not popular. Your run of the mill normie would certainly find the premise appealing, but let's be serious, powepoint fight scenes weren't F/SN's strong point. It was character development and mystery.
>>161259891
>better than Stay Night
It's not like the bar is high.
>>161263312
Zero is chuuni done right. Yes it's a good show.
>>161273087
>character development and mystery
Well, and the themes.
The main problem with fanfiction like Apocrypha is it's just a generic fantasy novel set in the Nasuverse.
It doesn't have interesting themes tying the story together
The final scene of HF is the be-all-end-all argument against regards who think zero is better than the VN.
Not just for the premise of Shirou vs Kirei, but their motives for fighting and the way they convey that (I.e. Kirei fighting for his wish of setting angers mainyu free for his own curiosity/happiness, and shirou fighting for his own desires instead of kiritsugu's desires finally). I'm really hoping they don't fuck that scene in the movies just to make it appeal more to the normalfag crowd.
Meanwhile zero is just "OH I DONT LIKE THIS GUY KIREI AND HE DOESNT LIKE ME SO WE GON HAVE A FIGHT IN SOME EMPTY UNDERGROUND PARKING LOT HURRRRR"
Fuck zero secondaries.
>>161275250
most FZ vs FSN arguments have the FSN side take UBW as the main route
>>161275250
Hopefully the HF movies will give those dumbasses some taste.
Reminder that SF is just power wank fanfiction tier trash with no substance.
>>161275318
It's the true and canon ending after all
>>161275250
>unlike Kirei, I have a goal
fuck me that fight has gotta be the best climax of anything i've read
it really encapsulates Shirou's development over the whole novel
>>161275307
That's because most FZ vs FSN arguments are between anime-only teenagers who wouldn't dare read an...
...oh no...
...an...
...EROGE???!?!?
>>161275307
>>161275250
it can't really get much worse than Fate route and UBW
>Zerofags
>Grand Orderfags
>Side storyfags
>Secondaries
Milking was a mistake.
>>161275250
>"OH I DONT LIKE THIS GUY KIREI AND HE DOESNT LIKE ME SO WE GON HAVE A FIGHT IN SOME EMPTY UNDERGROUND PARKING LOT HURRRRR"
Its fine and all to prefer Kirei vs Shirou over Kiritsugu vs Kirei but to write the latter off as just "Hurr Durr" like a retard makes it difficult to take you seriously.
>>161275526
who /extra/ here
>>161275666
Extella a shit satan. A big bad Fucking shit.
Not as bad as the adventures of dragon dick, but pretty Fucking bad.
CCC was some seriously good shit though.
>>161267595
FZ sold more than any other series of the franchise.
>>161259891
Seriously, how do people not reading it in moonspeak defend the VN. The translation is like putting your dick into a blender.
>>161275779
/a/ and anime fans in general don't seem to actually care about decent translations
>>161275318
Fuck wormslut
>>161275779
That's /a/ in general though. People here actively WANT shitty overly literal "direct" translations, it applies to not only most VNs but also most anime and especially manga fansubs.
>>161275808
I'm increasingly coming to the opinion that they may not be able to read at all.
>>161275779
I think no one gives much of a shit because it's so fucking long that no one expects a god tier translation
>>161272021
>an interesting protag
Shiroufags are the most delusional fatefags.
>>161275960
Long stretches of awful writing aren't equal to short stretches of good writing. Why would you read something awfully written AND long?
>>161275318
You know.
If UBW actually had a real climax that wasn't just Gil jobbing again it would hold up better against HF.
I never understod why HF had to have 3 big bad antagonists (Saber Alter, Zeno and Kirei) while UBW just got a worse version of Gil that for some reason tried even less then he already did in S/N.
HF has so many parts that could be a whole route by itself, it really isn't fair to put anything else up against it.
Still i will take Archer and Shirous interaction over anything in HF except Kirei.
HF Shirou wouldn't even be half as good without the self loath and suffering we know await him in an alternative reality
>>161276012
A massive and complex universe told through personal stories. A running theme of tragic heroism. Battles of ideologies. Tabletop RPG influenced. Unconventional magic system.
>F/SN
>A bunch of explanations and theories about the grail war
>Sounds cool as fuck
>Proceed to immediately drop it all and the most retard kid wins
>Wtf I hate Fate now
>F/0
>A bunch of explanations and theories about the grail war
>Sounds cool as fuck
>They actually go with it, play by the rules, plan, murder, betray
>Wtf I love Fate now
>>161276189
>Unconventional magic system
What is unconventional about the magic system in fate?
>>161276012
I don't know what to tell you buddy, i guess it's good enough seeing as we've been talking about fate for 10 years here
>>161276210
>>play by the rules
The story opens with Tokiomi cheating by working with Risei. Stopped reading there
>>161276072
>HF has so many parts that could be a whole route by itself
well it is combined with what what meant to be the Illya route
>>161276264
Fuck has it really been 10 years of shitposting about this already?
God damn.
>>161276270
>Stopped reading there
Congratulations on stopping when it was over
>>161276251
The magic system is very neat.
How it works is that everything is based around cause and effect, and that all wizards are attempting to reach something called "The Spiral of Origin". The SoO is the concept of you take an effect, find it's cause, find the cause of that cause, and so one down the spiral infinitely and you will find the first cause that began creation. Each effect can cause multiple things, and everything branches from an original cause, so it does not matter what you choose. It is predicated that true understanding of anything means that you will understand it's cause, and everything entailed in its cause, and thus be able to trace down the SoO.
Now, as a mage your power is based around how you attempt to find the SoO. Some of them include "Understanding through Imitation", which take the form of a doll user who attempts to create perfect creations to understand how they are caused. Another is "Understanding through Repetition", which a man causes an apartment complex to relive the last day of their lives over and over again in the attempt to make one die in a different manner, so as to understand the relation between cause and effect.
Your powers stem from both this and your "Origin". Your attempt to understand it and the origin yourself can manifest. An example of Origin is "Consumption" which was present in a man who in each of his previous lives had been a predator, and this was empowered by the understanding of his origin.
Pretty neat-oh in my opinion
>>161276012
What would you have any of us do? We cannot manually change the game's text. We would need to be coders and also have access to the source code crap from the original porters in order to be able to do that at all.
It would take me but a matter of hours to beautify the prose and correct all of the grammar, spelling and so forth. It would take *months* to insert that text into the game, and then a few more weeks to verify that it does not break the game, as I understand it.
And, even then, how would you convince anyone to update their upload links, or to even read the new edition?
>>161276391
So it's just a Intelligence based + natural traits system? Seems pretty ordinary to me.
>>161276189
Yes, but actually reading it's like fucking a blender. So why read the VN?
i dont wanna be a scorefag or a malfag, but there has to be a reason that fate zero is rated so much higher than fate stay night. i understand if the VN is better, but maybe they fucked up the adaptation for fate stay night.
>>161276251
Nasuverse magic is pretty unique, since it brings about wetstern magic in an eastern way. See Fate/Stay Night, Kara no Kyoukai, Tsukihime, and such.
Very tl;dr rundown:
Every celestial body in the universe has an "ultimate being".
Earth does not have one. It seems incapable of producing one. But it spent a lot of time producing beings, throwing them on the wall of the universe and to see what sticks.
Humanity is one such experiment gone horribly right. Human collective unconscious would be the Earth's ultimate being, if not for the fact that it's detached from the Root of All Things. It can evolve and improve, and change completely in it's very nature, as opposed to other things in the universe, but it will never again be complete, a part of the greater whole.
Human history is one of detachment. Inevitably, at this rate, humanity will kill the planet, and become cosmic cancer. But it's said that if technology goes towards the future, magic is going towards the past. It's the goal of every magus to return to the Root, at least himself.
There are five known paths towards the Root. These paths are "True Magic". They are known by very specific individuals. They allow feats
beyond technology and magic, like traversing parallel worlds. Each of these are a part of humanity's purpose, and has a task they have to fulfill. The reason why the Fifth is incomplete is that the Sixth that would come after it would logically have to erase humanity since everything would be done.
Nowadays, people can mostly only perform Magecraft. Magecraft uses patterns from the memory of humanity to channel the power of human collective unconscious. As humanity grows, the individual power of a magus wanes, since the power is more split. And the more time passes, the stronger old things become, and the weaker new things will be. The entire setting is a race against time in both directions, and perhaps a struggle to find the middle road. It's really good when you get into it.
>>161276468
It's also based on methodology as well, which is where some of the seriously wacky shit comes in.
>>161276497
>there has to be a reason that fate zero is rated so much higher than fate stay night
MALfags are retards who think Zero is better just because it doesn't feature teenagers
also you can't really appreciate Shirou without seeing his complete development from Fate to HF, so people think he's just a moralfag depite the whole novel being a subversion of the moralfag
>>161276607
At least now with the UBW adaptation some of them see where his moralfaggotry comes from. Back when only Deen anime was a thing he was deemed sexist of all things. Maybe HF movies will make animeonlies appreciate Shirou more.
>>161276729
It will probably make most anime fags illyafags and that thought scares me a bit, especially if it adapts true end instead of normal.
>>161276457
>It would take me but a matter of hours to beautify the prose and correct all of the grammar, spelling and so forth
You severely underestimate the length of Nasu's trash. Updating the script is the easy part.
>>161276841
Prismafaggots exist, the damage is done.
>>161276841
Prisma created all the Illyafags that there could be.
You need to be more concerned with the oncoming storm of Red Saberfags in Winter
>>161277009
Surely no one will actually like Nero after they're exposed to the awful Nerowank that is Extra?
>>161277009
>people liking nero
>>161276457
Maybe not read a bad translation and somehow use that to discuss the VN?
>>161276513
>There are five known paths towards the Root. These paths are "True Magic". They are known by very specific individuals. They allow feats
beyond technology and magic, like traversing parallel worlds. Each of these are a part of humanity's purpose, and has a task they have to fulfill. The reason why the Fifth is incomplete is that the Sixth that would come after it would logically have to erase humanity since everything would be done.
What?
I think you missed something somewhere in there
>>161277009
>Extella Zero
Probably nah
>>161276513
Sounds like generic chuuni shit to me. I could also make up random shit about muh source of all knowledge or whatever
>>161277023
Sakurai's not writing it
Is this better as an anime or as a manga?
>>161277009
>SHAFT didn't go with Hakunon
S H I T
>>161277105
manga
>>161277046
Why do people think it's Extella Zero again? That's literally just an outline to explain what led to Extella.
>>161277105
Manga. By far.
>>161277105
As an abortion.captcha: dyke zentrum
>>161277023
>>161277025
>>161277046
Nerofags are gonna be at least the same level of retarded as Astolfofag
Literally and i mean LITERALLY nobody but secondaries like Apocrypha and there are threads for that shit 24/7.
Nu-fatefags are the fucking worst.
>>161277160
So 3rei is basically the HF route, huh
>>161277268
>>161277009
>Initially liked the idea of Nero when I had minimal exposure to the source material
>Get into the source material
>Now I kind of hate Nero
>>161276978
No, I have extreme faith in my own abilities.
>>161277032
So you would have us not read the material instead of reading what you claim and claim alone to be a poorly produced translation of the material?
>>161277293
>Everyfatesidestory.jpg
>>161277268
It really baffles me how some people think Apocrypha is anything but shit
All the fights are crap, the pacing is fucked up and the main character is a non-existent self-insert gary stu.
>>161277032
I think you're misunderstanding what bad translation means in this context. The translation doesn't have any inaccuracies in plot details, character developtment, message etc, which is what people discuss. It just reads awkwardly.
>>161277068
How about you actually write something then?
I'm always up for more books with interesting settings.
>>161262815
So why does this Hercules have a towel perpetually stuck to his head?
>>161277533
They couldn't decide on a face design for "regular" Herc so they just covered it
>>161277533
>>161277533
>Being forced to remember all the faces of those "humans" who he had passed or known in life, and recalling the terrible sins of his past, he has taken to wearing a shroud over his face as punishment, saying he will never again look upon the works of man.
>>161277533
"So that the works of man never again enter my sight."
>>161277636
the towel stays on
>>161277656
Now he just needs a Linkin Park song as his theme song and he's perfect.
>>161277596
>>161277636
>>161277656
How can he even aim and shoot his bow with that towel over his head?
>>161277710
it wouldn't be the first time archers in Fate does some ridiculous shit
>>161277698
stop this meme
>>161277656
The towel *never* comes off.
>The sight that met his widened eyes… was Alkeides with the same horns that Jack had sported until moment before poking from under his cloth, wings like black smoke sprouting from his back, and, most importantly, shrouded in magical energy several times stronger than his had been thus far.
>>161277729
Maybe but they always have some explanation for it.
I can't even think of an explanation as to why he can shoot arrows accurately while being blinded.
When's flat going to start shit with Jack
>>161277656
I'm glad Morii fixed Herc's Nemean lion pelt made it look like an actual pelt instead of a plain cloth.
>>161277816
because he's a sick-ass demigod with a bow that slayed the hydra and a bunch of other magic gear
>>161277009
>tfw when I've liked Nero since Extra and am currently playing through Extella
>tfw I'm going to be lumped in with the Last Encore crowd
>mfw all these new animeonly Nerofags
fuck
>>161277863
You're not alone.
>>161277859
That doesn't actually explain anything.
He is fully blind, he doesn't have god eyes that can see beyond the towel or anything so shooting accurately is 200% impossible.
Narita is a hack.
>>161277946
He's True Archer, he can do whatever he wants to
>>161277584
Judging by this image, SF Herc seems like a good looking man to me.
>>161277993
he's pretty much just a non-crazy looking Herc that got shrunk because of Grail ooze
>>161277961
I know you're joking but i'm seriously baffled that Narita actually thought that was perfectly fine.
>>161277710
Because he's fucking Hercules.
>>161278113
At this point i don't even know whether you're joking or serious.
>>161278036
The low-tier Archer in the original VN literally had an ability called "Mind's Eye" but somehow it's bad when the overall strongest servant in the Nasuverse can do it?
>>161278153
Hercules is just ridiculously strong.
Hell, this version removed his own divinity so that he could fight Gil without getting fucked up by Enkidu
>>161278198
That is not why he did that.
>>161275960
But Dies irae has a good translation and it's longer and has more advanced prose than F/SN.
>>161277946
>He is fully blind
You can use sound to locate distance and location. Bats do it all the time. It's probably some bullshit like that.
>>161278165
Mind's Eye is danger-avoidance.
If it allows him to see through the towel then what even is the point of wearing it?
It does absolutely nothing.
>>161278229
Because it's cheap enough to get licensed. Nasu's licenses are too expensive for competent companies to afford, so his works end up either in the hands of well-meaning but inexperienced fans or corporations that want to maximize profits with the lowest amount of effort / quality.
>>161278259
As much as I loath to admit it, considering the inferiority of the former, F/SN would sell a lot more than Dies irae did and most likely ever will, so the cost of the license would be worth it.
>>161278293
I don't know why you referred me to a post about seeing through a towel. Echolocation isn't the same as vision. Seeing things and knowing their locations are two different things.
>>161278243
He can still hear
>inb4 he gets offed by true assassin
>>161278388
Sorry, i misinterpreted the post.
>>161259891
>Fate Zero is better than Stay Night.
yes because ultimately Urobuchi is way better than Nasu
but ultimately they are both fucking hacks, so why what you're doing is saying shit is better than shit
>>161278455
you're a hack
>>161278487
>no one makes fun of """masterpieces"""" like Texhnolyze! no one!!!!!
>>161278590
you're a hack
>>161278455
If there so terrible than why have they produced so much successful material on an international scale?
>>161278642
shit, you might be onto something here, breh
>>161278642
By that logic, Jersey Shore is a fucking genius show
>>161278698
>Jersey Shore
>international scale
>>161278642
Poorly written material are successful all the time. See Transformers, Twilight, and 50 Shades.
That being said, that guy is just being contrarian.
Seriously though people who say Fate is shit are literal hacks.
They only parrot what other people say without actually having an argument as to why Fate is shit.
Fate/Zero is the only good Fate. The rest is just waifubait garbage.
>>161277009
Apochrypha showed me that there are still people who don't know about Saberface.
I'd prefer if Herc had a giant metal triangle stuck to his head over the towel.
>>161278849
Masahiro pls
>>161278777
most likely they're newfags
>>161278849
If he uses From Hell i'm pretty sure he gets two horns, which means that he truly is a demon.
>>161278754
>Transformers
>>161279002
>Transformers films aren't financially successful
>>161279254
>Transformers cartoons are all poorly written
>>161279314
I'm pretty sure he was talking about the movies. Though you have half a point, they became as successful as they are now due to the cartoon's popularity.
>>161279385
>acknowledging the existent of the live action movies
>>161279413
>ignoring the existence of bad things
>>161272746
I tjink it was Invisible Air though.
>>161266221
Doesnt the LN establish that SF takes place after the 4th HGW in Fuyuki? Hell, Waver even still has DUDE's torn cape and the Grail Mud fucked up Gil's memory in the ToH so that he recollects some of his time from the 4th HGW
>>161279809
After the *5th*, and after Hollow Ataraxia.
>>161276513
Arcueid was "supposed" to have been the Earth ultimate being, but never awakened to it. Altrouge almost became Archetype Earth in Tsukihime
>>161280013
>Altrouge almost became Archetype Earth in Tsukihime
Explain further.
she's a bless
>>161280294
BadJannu
>>161280080
Altrouge was supposed to have been a vessel from Crimson Moon, which like Arcueid, would have transformed her into Archetype Earth.
Arcueid, albeit temporaily, awakens to Archetype Earth in Melty Blood AA
>>161280294
Saber is at her cutest when she's hungry.
>>161281068
how did you get her so angry goddamn she's starving your only reason to live is to take care of her
>>161272503
I think you're confusing Fate becoming mainstream in the west with it becoming mainstream in nipland and world wide. It was already pretty big in Japan but only truly reached mainstream status with GO, millions of people literally playing this damn game.
In the west, it literally only reached mainstream status in the anime community because of Ufotable's production values. Normalfags don't watch anime.
fucking shinji how's that every shinji is a fag
Hollow Ataraxia > Stay Night > ZeroAngry Manjew best servant
>>161259891
Hollow Ataraxia is better than both
>>161283397
All Around Type Moon in Ahnenerbe is best
Why does Fate have some many bait memes?
They do fit pretty well but still
>>161284104
Why is this text for Unlimited Blade Works but a depiction of Gate of Babylon?
>>161284681
The fact that you asked that question means that you got succesfully baited.
>>161276497
Ufotable's productions look higher end than most other anime, making it more legit in the eyes of the public.
The first and only Fate/ to get an worthy adaptation of the source.
MC was an adult that wore a black trenchcoat, smoked and used guns.
The " large cast that dies off" structure appeals to the would-be Walking Dead, Game of Thrones, and Attack on Titan crowd
Peak of Urobutchi hype
Lots of Fujoshi bait
Because it was their first exposure to Fate (except maybe DEEN which I don't count) copying themes from previous characters (Kerry, Kirei, Gil) or mucking up past characterization (Saber) goes unnoticed so it's all fresh and new.
Likewise, those people also wouldn't know the end results of everything so the battle royale stuff becomes more interesting
Not slamming it, just trying to come up with logical reasoning for its mainstream success.
>>161284104
Newfags ask a lot of dumb questions about the series, it's to mock/ piss them off
>>161259891
Of course? Only delusional retards think otherwise.
>>161259891
Stay Night had the potential to be better but being written by a high schooler really shows
I've never seen a more repetitive and bloated piece of fiction. pic related
>>161285590
This pretty much sums it up.
It also helps the characters aren't in highschool. The highschool setting is definitely overplayed and even if it fits F/SN, people will automatically dismiss it because it seems less "mature" than F/Z upon first, shallow glance.
I greatly prefer F/SN. It's much better written, consistent, and I prefer the characters in F/SN. They're much more interesting, developed and important.
>>161285777
>Super autist watching his swordmate get gutted has a massive impact on him
Who'da thunk it
>>161276497
they did fuck up the adaptation of f/sn, but only in the sense that f/sn is incredibly difficult to adapt. watching UBW without knowing all the things the light novel tells you is a bad time, while f/zero stands better on its own.
>>161259891
Well, yeah.
>>161286114
Suit seiba is a miracle of the universe
>>161286042
Because every flashback needs to have identical text and has to occur anytime saber or anyone is in danger
>>161283452
What is it, manga Carnival Phantasm?
>>161285028
>buoy-a
>>161286261
Fucking lurk more
>>161267642
You clearly underestimate fujos, all they need is 2 or more penis to live in the same universe for their fantasies to unfold doesn't matter if the only interaction 2 guys had was just walking by each other on a street and not even noticing eachother.
>>161285914
Same
The visual novel portrayed shirou's evolution in a way that made the climax to the story all the more better.
>>161286166
Woah...it's like the game is trying to hammer down that Shirou is incredibly fucked up...right?
do you know the title of this fate/stay night ost? https://my.mixtape.moe/aockwy.webm
>>161279385
haha no? most bayfags havent seen cartoon transformers for shit
>>161286114
>>161286165
Suit Seiba is overrated. Pic related a best.
>>161286428
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6DINHMGAY8
seibaaaaaa
>>161286430
It's not a requisite. Word of mouth and reputation in enough to build hype. Transformers weren't exactly obscure before the first movie.
>>161285590
I'm an idiot who watched F/Z first, so let me give some thoughts:
1. I liked how clearly most of the rules were established in F/Z. There's a clear power difference between servants and masters, and the only real "rule break" that happens in the show is Kirei acquiring the extra command seals (which makes sense because the church kinda runs this thing).
2. Since the story has a definite ending, most if not all of the characters are given very clear-cut arcs, rather than them being split off into routes (for instance, UBW on its own makes Kotomine entirely uninteresting and throw away, because he's not important in that arc).
3. There's a nice conflict in ideals between the servants that feels unique (the conversation between Rider, Saber, and Lancer being the best example).
4. The Waver/Rider dynamic is incredibly endearing.
5. The show does a good job at avoiding having a main character, or at least a very dominant force. At the start of the show I actually thought either Kirei (because I think he gets the first scene) or Kariya (because his goals start off as the most noble and "hero-like") were the main characters, and even later in the show I wondered if Irisviel and Saber's relationship were really going to end up much more important than Kiritsugu.
My main issues with the show were issues that were more my fault, like how the show is definitely produced like a prequel and there's certain events that carry no weight or are never explained unless you know the VN (the Rin solo episode being the prime example), and that the show has a lackluster middle (I could not care less about the battle against Caster's super-demon thing).
Honestly, more importantly is that UBW just has a really poor position of being the first good F/SN adaptation while not being the first route in the original material, meaning that parts of the story obviously focused on in the Fate route are skimmed over in UBW. F/Z can be more easily enjoyed by anime-only viewers.
>>161286261
No, its All Around Type Moon IN Ahnenerbe
>>161277105
If you're into fapping to lolis, anime, if you want what starts as a parody develops into slice of life and turns into an interesting story later on, manga.
>>161277160
>>161277177
>>161286647
Alright, so definitely manga. I was thinking that too but I know the anime has great animation as well so I wanted to make sure.
>>161286584
Its pretty great too, especially when alternate verses start meeting
>>161259891
>Watch F/Z
>Everything's great, animation, characterization and developement, fights. The only thing that's a mess it's Kerry's life
>Watch FSN/UBW
>Plot is a mess, pace is a mess, fights and animations are top tier but it's a hollow shell of a stylish carcass
>Watch F/Apocrypha
>Everything is a mess
I agree with you 200&% OP. Not being written by Nasu is a plus, but Type-MOON fags can't accept that even if the guy's great at world building he's a terrible writer, and should limit himself to the role of a Dungeon Master
>>161286939
>watch
There's your problem.
>>161259891
>Saberface
This kills the Type-MOON
>>161287038
Zashu
Why do people prefer Zero to SN/HA?
>>161286719
I would recomend the upcoming prisma Ilya movie as it adapts Myuu's and Shirou backstory and unless they go full retard there's no way for them to fit any loli wanking scenes in there and that part is one of the best parts of Prisma Ilya if not the best with Shirou merged with Archer going through a HGW.
I want assassin to sit on my face
>>161287131
Most people who prefer zero are secondaries who have never touched a visual novel in their lives before.
Also daily reminder that:
Medusa > Alexander
>>161287131
Only anime onlies prefer Zero over SN and HA.
>>161286939
Apocrypha was not written by Nasu.
Zero relies on the plot points Nasu wrote in the original F/SN to make sense of itself. It's natural for UfoUBW to feel incomplete since it's just 1/3 of F/SN. The plot isn't a mess though, nice buzzword.
>>161263312
Uro: And it's exactly because of the circumstances of the age we're in now that I want more young people to experience Fate/stay night. Unlike Fate/Zero, where all the main characters are older, this one has lots of cute heroines! Fate/stay night was originally conceptualized as a bishojo game, so the very individual theme of "romance" was placed at the core. It had to be written from Shirou's point of view. So then I thought, I have this really powerful core idea of all these Eiyuu (heroic spirits) engaged in a Battle Royale, so why not draw their story from multiple point of views? That's why I tried to work more main characters into Fate/Zero other than simply Kiritsugu and Kirei.
Nasu: I had no other choice but to make Fate/stay night the way I did for that bishojo game format. That was one of the reasons why I once said to Urobuchi, "I don't think I can make bishojo games anymore." The more you pour both what the author wants to draw and romance elements that will excite the users into a work, the more distant they get from each other... that was my dilemma. I think Fate/stay night does lack that "battle royale" atmosphere, but I really wanted to make it a work that would make the users want to get to know Saber and Rin better, or cuddle with Sakura. Saber and Rin respresent the fun and sweetness of romance. But I wanted to express the tragic nature of love with Sakura.
Many anime fans want there to be a lot of cute bishoujo characters in the work, and while they work hard to meet those needs, Iwakami, an important producer at Aniplex, wasn't satisfied just by doing that. I suggested that he tackle Fate/Zero, a dark and serious story full of raw emotion. He had the resolve, and that's how they ended up adapting Fate/Zero.
Uro: I see. You really did separate "romance" and "love" with your heroines. I was swoon most by Dark Sakura, so I guess I'll never be able to make a proper romance work... (laughs)
>>161287111
>Zero secondary doesn't even knows how to write "Zasshu"
Hahahaha wow
>>161286583
>1. I liked how clearly most of the rules were established in F/Z. There's a clear power difference between servants and masters, and the only real "rule break" that happens in the show is Kirei acquiring the extra command seals (which makes sense because the church kinda runs this thing).
The prologue of F/SN (Shirou chatting with Rin/Saber/Kirei) explains far, far more than Zero does.
>>161287490
More like
>Western person who doesnt speak nip and doesnt really care to
>>161287372
>tfw like Zero, SN, HA, sF, Tsukihime and Mahoyo
>tfw don't like Apocrypha, Extra or Grand Order
>>161287585
>He's proud of being an EOP
wew
>>161287613
...this sounds pretty usual? Like, I think this is the average of what most people think.
>>161286404
Woah...it's almost like the audience doesn't need to be reminded with identical dialogue six times
Did they ever go into detail with how Numerology works? I'm a big fan of lightning-themed magic, so I'm fairly curious.
>>161285914
>In Archer's life he failed to save seibah
>Isn't possible to keep Ilya alive so he can't save her aswell
>''Right before he leaves, he gives Ilya a look heavy with regret''
fuckin a
>>161277268
>>161277444
>wah stop liking what I don't like
If you were a servant your Noble Phantasm would be your hand you use to circlejerk each other
>>161287644
I thought Extra was alright, just felt like F/SN on the Moon feat. Arcueid, Ryougi, Aoko and Touko. Haven't played CCC but everyone said it was the best thing since F/SN back in early 2013.
One thing I don't understand is that I have read people say that Nasu decided that Zero isn't connected to F/SN anymore so what's with the references to Zero in F/HA and F/GO?
>>161282766
flat rin with noodley monkey arms is worst rin
>>161287722
Woah...it's almost like that isn't supposed to remember the audience but SHOW them how deeply that event affected Shirou? How screwed his mind became because of it?
>>161287983
Oh, you don't speak english
Move along folks
>>161287813
The Redman is bound to suffer.
>>161288032
>You don't speak english
Kek. Nice excuse.
Pay attention that that repetition of that image stops after Shirou gets over his fear of having Saber being hurt and accepts her as a partner. The original complaint (>>161285777) was regarding the image specifically as an example.
>>161287953
it's ok. it's a starting point for me
>>161259891
I think Zero simply uses the premise better by making it an ensemble cast. The conflict's far more interesting without it being about an obvious designated hero and his lineup of villains and potential harem-girls.
>>161285777
>I've never seen a more repetitive and bloated piece of fiction. pic related
Isn't that why Nasu trimmed most of it in the adaptions? Nasu says himself that he wished he would have cut down more of it but UFO wouldn't let him.
>>161288177
How would you improve Zero?
>>161288209
>Isn't that why Nasu trimmed most of it in the adaptions?
He barely trimmed a thing in the UBW adaptation, which is great. It's HF that gets a bit repetitive until the final few days.
>>161288268
Turn Waver into a girl.
>>161287622
>EOP
Tu te trompes, mon ami. Je parles trois langues. Mais, mieux que d'autres
>>161262780
The last couple episodes of the anime were rushed
>>161288209
Miura works best with waifus and mindless flashy explosions. Literally would have been perfect for God Eater.
On the other hand, God Eater's director Takayuki Hirao works best character explorations and trippy concepts as well as delving into character minds, and already showed immense grasp of a Nasu adaptation with KnK 5, he would have been perfect for FSN.
Biggest mismatch I have ever seen
>>161288177
True, just look what happened to Apocrypha when they ditched the all star grail war and conflict of ideals for that type of hero versus villain plot with another self-insert MC out of nowhere.
Admittedly, that novel had a fair few other narrative problems before he took over as well but Sieg did not solve them.
>>161288268
Assassin was pretty throwaway for starters. So, maybe some development there .
Kariya's role was watered down a bit for the anime, so maybe some more focus there, rather than having him disappear for more than half the show.
Kiritsugu's role could be a bit more fleshed out. Exploring his morality beyond just fueling his angst by repeatedly killing every woman who comes within ten feet of him.
Plus there's the ending. I realize that it's meant to lead into Stat Night, but it's kind of a shame that it doesn't receive proper closure as a standalone work. Or at least have a follow-up with tone more in-line with Zero.
>>161272344
What's wrong with UBW
>>161287833
Not so easy being outside your own little rose tinted circlejerk bubble hu fag?
Don't you have a don't you have a boibucci thread on /trash/ to shit up anyway?
>>161288639
It's good so it's popular to shit on. Hipster things, man.
>>161288649
Stage 1: Denial
>>161276386
>>161288868
People always lament the loss of an "old-/a/," but if this (and I'm assuming this image is real) is what it used to be like, I think I like nu-/a/ a bit better.
>>161276729
I remember when DEEN's Fate/stay night just aired and there were constant threads about it. Despite how /a/ treats the show now, it was huge back then. At the time, there was only a few small trickles of info regarding TYPE-MOON's stories, which the bulk of it coming from Moonlit World.
Even back then, the small number of people who were interested in TYPE-MOON had some awareness of "Tsukihime 2". That interest was further intensified by the release of DEEN's adaptation of Fate, and the subsequent release of the English translation of Tsukihime. The problem is, back then, no one really knew that it was all just one big joke. Everyone took it seriously and thought that it really might surface some day.
Nasu did have some ideas about it, hence Talk. and Prelude, but the entire concept never went much further than the "silly idea that Nasu and Takeuchi tossed around on a boring afternoon" stage. Plus, according to the anniversary interview, the 27 Dead Apostle Ancestors are undergoing a major overhaul. There's no guarantee than Enhance even exists anymore.
The problem is, some people (read: the entire western fanbase) ended up taking it absurdly seriously, never realizing that it was all just a big joke.
It's really funny to think about.
>>161288929
Not hard to go into the archives and see "old-/a/".
>>161288929
Old /a/ was less cynical, but tripfags were absolute cancer.
>>161288929
Looking back, it's very interesting, and more than a bit cringey. Like remembering all the stupid shit that you did back when you were a kid. Fate was where that whole "GAR" meme got its start.
The level of fanon was at its most critical levels. People were making up headcanons left and right in order to fill in the gaps left by the lack of information. The whole "Gaia order" thing where people believed that the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception wouldn't work on anything that didn't fall under the so-called "Gaian concept of death" was one of the bigger ones. Powerlevel wanking was also pretty ridiculous back then, since people were always making shit up in order to bridge together their interpretations of Nasu's barely translated narratives. Even after Fate/stay night was properly translated, that only added fuel to the fire, since Nasu's writing doesn't always clarify absolutely everything.
There's also people always bringing up Character Material and stuff, full of concept ideas and incomplete shit that Nasu thought up but never actually put on paper. Even the canonicity of Talk and Prelude were up in the air, as stated by Nasu himself, but people liked to act like it was all bible.
It was a hectic time back then.
>>161289054
what the fuck are you doing posting shit from the /v/ thread
>>161288177
>Ensemble cast
Only First season had it
>The conflict's far more interesting without it being about an obvious designated hero
Kiritsugu.
>and his lineup of villains
Kirei.
> potential harem-girls.
Iri and Maiya. Kiritsugu has an actual harem.
>>161289156
Disregard the /v/irgins, report the /v/irgins, hide /v/irgin posts
>>161288636
>Plus there's the ending. I realize that it's meant to lead into Stat Night, but it's kind of a shame that it doesn't receive proper closure as a standalone work.
Because it isn't. Zero is meant to be a prequel and everything about it was set up to be exactly that and only that.
>>161289262
Why do people treat Zero like a stand alone when it's in the damn title?
>>161288416
>Speaking the language of the pussies
A french loser is a zero secondary. Pottery.
Have you already given your butthole to Ahmed today?
>>161289203
Do your research anon. You need THREE or more girls for it to be a harem. TWO girls makes it a love triangle.
FSN is excellent at what it does, but it's wierd, incredibly verbose, and infuriating at times
FZ is just an above average action anime
>>161289319
Why would someone in Russia do that?
>>161288268
>>161288268
1. Fixing this scene (and Saber in general)>>161288177
2. Get rid of the semi-equal casting. The 4th HGW was clearly about Kiritsugu and Kotomine but it also wants to be an ensemble cast so what we get is a hybrid. Waver happens to get a shitload of SoL scenes despite he and Rider having very little action. Tokiomi, Kayneth, Kariya, and Rynosuke and their Servants don't get enough development to be satisfying characters but enough to eat up time from more important things. Just pick one or the other.
Pic related, like most promos for Zero always focuses on the 7 masters and/or the 7 servants (this just happens to include the misc. cast). Now tell me many of these characters contribute significantly to anything in the story (as in, if they were suddenly removed or had someone else sub in for their role, the story beats could change drastically) . Now compare that to the screentime each gets. The balance is all out of whack.
>>161289306
Zero secondaries are fucking cancer. News at 11
>>161289319
>Frog is a Zerofag
Are you honestly surprised? Are you forgetting where the coolest character ever hails from?
>>161289320
Guess Shirou doesn't have a harem then since he ends with only one girl per route.
Were four LN books enough for Zero?
>>161289367
Stop trying to pass as someone from mother Russia, you shitty frog eater.
>>161289467
the books dont have the pacing issues that the anime does
>>161289497
Ешьте член, гамбургер-ублюдок.
>>161289262
I'm aware. I'm saying that I think it's a shame that it's not a standalone work, because I don't particularly enjoy the follow-up story that it's connected to.
Where are the Extra/Apocrypha/FGO bait images?
>>161288416
Are you French frogs enjoying the F/Z manga?
>>161289612
I'm a Leaf actually, but meh.
>>161289608
They were made for the FSN [UBW] threads were full of cancerous and entitled whiners who protested over the smallest chances and never actually discussed, they just kept bringing meta bitching about muh secondaries and muh flawless VN with barely any actual discussion of the episode. Gabriella Ekens, the same person that called the UBW anime a "misshapen adaptive chimera" that only fans of the "Mooniverse" would enjoy. I remember how the livestream thread on 4chan was actually civil with everyone happy and celebrating for pretty much exactly an hour before it completely degenerated into the shitposting that characterised the FSN [UBW] threads. It was good while it lasted I supposed.
>>161289383
>Tokiomi, Kayneth, Kariya, and Rynosuke and their Servants don't get enough development to be satisfying characters
but kariya has the byakugan he is a part of the hyuga clan and has 360 vision only reason he lost to tokiomi is because fire type moves are super effective against bug types
kariya is awesome
>>161288636
>Assassin was pretty throwaway for starters. So, maybe some development there.
See now, they were going to. The final personality was a stray loli Hassan that wasn't killed by Rider, and Waver was going to find her and have his big development there. This was cut from the final draft for whatever reason.
>Kariya's role was watered down a bit for the anime, so maybe some more focus there, rather than having him disappear for more than half the show.
It's the same in the LN. For example he's absent for all of vol.2 except for briefly meeting with Aoi in the Rin filler (which was actually in there, just much much shorter) The anime did quite a good job of not leaving out any scenes.
>Kiritsugu's role could be a bit more fleshed out. Exploring his morality beyond just fueling his angst by repeatedly killing every woman who comes within ten feet of him.
It was in the LN thanks to text and narration and also he exists as foil to Shirou/Archer, so knowing them is basically a prerequisite.
>Plus there's the ending. I realize that it's meant to lead into Stat Night, but it's kind of a shame that it doesn't receive proper closure as a standalone work. Or at least have a follow-up with tone more in-line with Zero.
Now fuck off with that. It's not a standalone work, period. You know the timer counting down to Zero, i.e. the reason for the entire fucking title, was counting down to?The birth of Emiya Shirou
>>161289581
>Say guys, A New Hope and Empire weren't really that good followups to Episodes 1-3, I wish they were more like those
>>161289383
fug, left out pic
>>161289820
Well, happy Birthday to Sola-ui
>>161289768
>every prequel made after the fact is equal in quality to the Star Wars prequels
>>161289722
>Now fuck off with that. It's not a standalone work, period. You know the timer counting down to Zero, i.e. the reason for the entire fucking title, was counting down to?
Fate/Zero: Season 2, obviously
>>161289722
>See now, they were going to. The final personality was a stray loli Hassan that wasn't killed by Rider, and Waver was going to find her and have his big development there. This was cut from the final draft for whatever reason.
The focus of a discarded plotline that would have run through volumes 2 and 3. She was conceived of as an unfortunate, mute little girl who also happened to be a personality of the Hundred Faced Hassan. However, due to amnesia even she would have no idea who she really was. It seems that while he was still alive, this personality was the one that would surface whenever the Hundred Faced Hassan was captured by the enemy and tortured for information, in order to protect his secrets.
Anyway, during Team Rider's raid on Gilles' workshop, she would manage to separate herself from the other personalities before they got slaughtered, after which Waver would mistake her for one of Ryuunosuke's victims and place her under his protection. Of course, Rider would recognize her as a Servant immediately, but keep quiet out of respect for Waver's chivalrous spirit, allowing the (fake) Mackenzie family to gain yet another member. Unfortunately, though, Kirei would be aware of all of this, and in the third volume would use his command spell to force the girl to remember her true identity as Hassan. The resulting tragedy would push Waver one more step down the path of adulthood.
…Well, that was the plan, but in the end I decided that it would just give people the wrong idea about who the protagonist of Fate/Zero was actually supposed to be. So, I swallowed my pride and shelved the whole thing. The only part I kept was the workshop raid scene, since I had already written it.
Fate/Zero material: Fate/Zero Encylopedia
>>161276978
>Kiritsugu vs Kayneth
>Saber and Lancer vs Caster
>Gilgamesh vs Iskandar
These three are pretty much the only good fights in Zero that aren't marred by supreme stupidity and awful writing. That's a low bar when it's got
>Archer vs Lancer, both rounds
>Saber and Archer vs Berserker
>Gilgamesh vs Berserker
>Gilgamesh vs Saber
>Lancer vs True Assassin
>Saber vs Kojiro
>Kuzuki and Medea vs Saber
>Kirei vs Assassin
>Shirou vs Gilgamesh
>Gilgamesh vs Shadow
You claim to hate Nasu's writing but Urobuchi in Zero commits all the same sins, yet worse. Iskandar's speech to Artoria is some kind of excellently composed thing that tears her down, when the truth of the matter is that half of it was nonsense made up specifically within Zero to give Iskandar ammunition to use against her. Saber in Zero behaves like a wholly different beast than Saber in Stay Night, and not for the better.
>>161289722
>The final personality was a stray loli Hassan that wasn't killed by Rider, and Waver was going to find her and have his big development there.
For reals?
>>161290107
>Saber in Zero behaves like a wholly different beast than Saber in Stay Night, and not for the better.
Lol, so true. In Stay Night, a large part of Saber's backstory was her utilitarianism in dealing with war, now somehow she has a problem when Kerry does it?
Funny, I made this same thread about a month ago. It too got 300+ replies.
Why is this place so easy to bait?
>>161289932
>it would just give people the wrong idea about who the protagonist of Fate/Zero was actually supposed to be.
The red-headed stepchild?
>>161290107
>Saber in Zero behaves like a wholly different beast than Saber in Stay Night, and not for the better.
Maybe just maybe Anon, that perhaps Zero is a PREQUEL to Stay Night and that she RETAINS her memories. So that maybe why she behaves differently in Stay Night?
>>161278229
That's because Dies irae has talented translators working on it? Type Moon fans do it out of their spare time.
>>161290218
I noticed this too, it's like they wanted to imply Kerry is the one that turned her into that in F/SN and that's not okay.
>>161267768
They can still make a show out of it if it isn't finished. There's more material for strange Fake than there is for Zero right now.
How do you go from this
>>161265501
>>161263312
>>161263590
Zero was plotted out by Nasu and just put to paper by Uro. The only things Uro 100% invented himself were Iskandar's personality, and Lancelot's powerwank which was one of the very worst things in the entire novel.
>>161290789
To thisWhy did they ruin her
>>161290820
>ruin
they made her better
>>161290789
What made F/SN prologue so good?
>>161290789
I wonder how many art books for Fate there is.
>>161267642
Apparently Waver actually fucked the brawny man.
>>161287910
>One thing I don't understand is that I have read people say that Nasu decided that Zero isn't connected to F/SN anymore so what's with the references to Zero in F/HA and F/GO?
Too many inconsistencies, so something that was close to Zero happened, but it wasn't exactly Zero.
>>161291041
There is visual depiction of Iskander's monster cock in the F/Z manga, as well as all the horror and gore that the anime had to cut to put it on television.
>>161291091
Basically Zero with Saber fighting off Gil, and then Kiritsugu interrupts her to destroy the Grail?
I'll leave this here:
http://tsukikan.com/misc/a-review-of-kara-no-kyoukai.html
>>161289581
F/SN wasn't a follow up story. The reason F/Z exists is because F/SN exists, F/Z is the follow up prequel to F/SN. Stop being entitled Zerofag.
>>161290262
Kiritsugu is Zero's protag.
>>161290801
I'm just saying F/Z's plot isn't anything special. It's okay, it's a good prequel. But the only reason it got as much hype it got was Ufotable being behind it.
Nowadays it feels like if people touch Type Moon just to get angry at it, even primaries are like this these days. Everyone so jaded and just look into things "ironically" so that they can complain and shitpost about it.
What happened?
>>161291260
>Kara no Kyoukai being pretentious badly written shlock
Tell us something we don't already know. Paradox Spiral was the only good part of the series.
>>161292083
I meant follow-up chronologically. Not by release date.
>>161292241
Fate/milking
>>161289871
Fate/Zero is.
>>161292165
I thought Irisviel was the prtag
>>161288209
> Nasu trimmed most of it in the adaptions?
uhh source anon
>>161259891
I agree with you OP
>>161287038
>>161287366
>>161287372
Go back to /jp/ or /v/ to talk about your shitty VN and stop samefagging.
>>161293280
You should stop samefagging because the archive shows you spamming the exact same thread
http://desuarchive.org/a/search/image/ZHut3tCg1-TFOFskC1g0kA/
>>161259891
>>161293343
Good job /v/ermin.
>>161259891
Wait....this isnt the popular oppinion....?
So I just finished reading through Volume 4 of Strange Fake. Theyve made it fairly apparent that its a direct sequel to at least one of the FSN timelines, though they are vague as to which one.
>>161293001
Search UBW interviews including with the blu-ray sets
>>161293513
/a/ has to defend their eroge.
>>161293588
Interview: So, should it be best to think that Fate/hollow ataraxia isn’t a continuation of the Fate, Unlimited Blade Works, and Heavens Feel arcs of the last game?
Takeuchi: Yes. It’s not really what happens after each route, but more of a “counter” to “Fate/stay night” itself…..is what feels more comfortable right now, I think. While there is a setting about this happening after this route, personally, I don’t think it’s that important. Basically, I think the player should interpret it however he wants.
Nasu: We mentioned it a little bit earlier, but “hollow” is set in Fuyuki city half a year after Fate/stay night. But despite that, the story’s starting from a situation where everyone, + some extra people and minus a certain character, is present and nobody thinks that’s unusual. While Shirou, the protagonist thinks this is weird, he can’t figure out what exactly is unusual. He’s in that kind of unstable situation, but he’s genuinely enjoying the “festivities” feeling that it’s great how everyone’s around.
And the story is going to progress like that, but slowly, they’re going to be getting involved in the reason why they’re in that strange situation, that is, the main story. A keen person might realize, “hey, this takes place after that route”, but we believe it should be left up to the user’s imagination.
>>161293588
Mm, the only thing I can think of that references the fifth war is rumors of someone with super duper copying magic.
>>161289581
Kirei decides in Zero that his role is to crush the Holy Grail, and in turn, crush Kiritsugu’s dream. And then he actually comes into contact with Grail and realizes it’s the only thing in the world he actually wants for himself. Having discovered his true calling as the villain, the man who spreads destruction and suffering. And the Grail being the ultimate tool to fulfill that wish. Then at the end of Heaven’s Feel, just like in Zero, it ends with Kirei and an Emiya, fighting to the death as the Holy Grail begins to overflow right next to them. The difference is here, the roles are switched. It’s Kirei’s wish to obtain the grail, and Shirou who ultimately decides he’s going to mercilessly destroy it, having discovered his true calling as the hero, the man who beats the bad guy, and saves the world from destruction. And the Grail being the weapon of mass destruction that needs to be thwarted.
>>161259891
I think zero and knight are supposed to feel a bit different. you know night has a bit of romance in it and all . either way unlimited bladeworks was the worst thing that happened to fate nights art
>>161293928
Nasu: "I wanted to do 'Fate' again and again and again and instead of accepting that I had written one of the best series of all time, and I would always have that, and freeing me to do, I don't know, to do something maybe a little more offbeat or explore, and risk failure, I mean, it's tragic, actually.
>>161293869
They also mention Caster absorbing Od from citizens of Fuyuki
>>161259891
Can't argue against that. good taste.
>>161294160
And Taiga actually shows up in Volume 2
>>161294268
That's not really an indicator of the fifth war, is it?
>>161294388
No, but:
>A barrier for clearing the area of people? No... They’re returning to the city, so I suppose it would have to be a barrier for drawing people in... But for what purpose? I’ve heard that, in the fifth Fuyuki Grail War, there was a Heroic Spirit that tried to gather Od from civilians, but...
They then go on to reference the news reports about gas mains exploding causing people to die of mysterious circumstances, which is a direct reference to Medea Caster's curse on the area surrounding Ryudo Temple
>>161288639
did you even manage to sit through that plot armor and autismal character writing?
>>161292241
>What happened?
The English community independently, unknowingly, developed a form of uchi. They don't understand that there's nothing wrong with [not doing or believing thing relative to the uchi]. Most English fanbases of Japanese works do not have this.
It's strange, because it doesn't feel like it stemmed from /jp/.
>>161294943
i mean, it's not really plot armor when the VN has a shit-ton of bad ends (which is another issue when adapting f/sn)
>>161293588
>>161294388
>>161294628
It is after Hollow Ataraxia. Gil specifically remembers going fishing. It is deliberately not "after" any specific route.
>>161295162
https://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20244/
woops
>>161294959
>uchi
Or in non-weeaboo, "groupthink".
>>161263312
>“Chances of victory? Kariya? Hmph, such things never existed. If that piece of trash can obtain the Holy Grail, then the past three bouts of slaughter would all seem like a comedy show.”
>“I don’t quite understand. Isn’t the Matō house also one of the Three Noble Families of the Beginning, one that craves the Holy Grail?”
Hearing Kirei’s question, Zōken gave a cold snort.
>“I think the Tōsaka son and those of the Einsbern house are all idiots. If they remember the details from the last battle of the previous war, then they should understand that there is something odd with this fourth Heaven’s Feel, and be alert towards it.
>"I saw through the battle for this round from the start. Truth be told, just by looking at that despicable Caster at the start of the War, we should have been able to tell that the summoning didn’t call forth a Heroic Spirit, but an evil spirit far removed from heroes. Without a doubt, something has begun to err within the Heaven’s Feel system. We need to solve this problem first.”
This odd man, who had overcome ordinary humanity, had likely been present in every single Heaven’s Feel. This man Matō Zōken had grasped something that even the previous Supervisor, Kotomine Risei, had not known about.
Dialogue cut from the show
>>161291260
What a shitty long review.
>>161295376
Good job, you made a post yet somehow managed to contribute nothing to an already valueless thread.
>>161295201
He also remembers the grail mud.
Zero
>The turbulent black waves carried away the helpless golden Servant. No, he was not simply carried away; the moment he had touched the black mud, he had vanished. Archer’s body had been broken down and absorbed by the black mud in the blink of an eye; he had become one with the tempestuous flow of mud.
>The black mud that in the end had been unable to corrode Archer completely — had followed the path of the prana supply that had formerly linked Archer to his Master, and arrived at Kotomine Kirei’s physical body, becoming the source of a life-force supply that could substitute for a heart. Only thus had Kirei revived. In other words, now Kirei relied on the prana provided by “Angra Mainyu” in order to live.
Fate
>"The Holy Grail? Oh, immortality. Heh, I gave that to the snake."
>"I have told you that I have no wish. I do not care how Kotomine will use the Holy Grail. For now, my only concern is you. The time has finally come. I have been looking forward to this all this time, Saber. How to pin you down and make you swallow that. The way you will be unable to stop yourself from going crazy, disgracing yourself, and begging at my feet!"
>"That light? You should be able to tell. It is a great curse. Kotomine must have summoned it straight from the Holy Grail. I hear that Holy Grail holds something that could curse everything in this world. The pollution you've seen up to now is just the remains of what came out of the Holy Grail. The primary curse has been summoned. Your Master should no longer be alive."
>"The Holy Grail will overflow whatever you do. The events of ten years ago will reoccur. But this ritual is for your benefit, not mine."
>"Rejoice, Saber. If you are showered with it, you will become like me. You will have a body in this world and be able to enjoy your second life. Though, I am not sure you will be able to keep your sanity as I did."
>>161295919
>"Do not take me so lowly. How can I be a hero if I cannot swallow a curse such as this? All evils of the world? Heh, bring at least three times as much as that if you want to stain me. See, Saber. A hero is someone who carries with them everything they see. I am already carrying everything in this world."
>Of all the Servants, this man is the only one who would be capable of keeping his sanity after being soaked in that vast curse.
UBW
>A heroic spirit that is half immortal and has all the treasures in the world. What can this man possibly wish for now?
>"It happened ten years ago. You opposed me right when I was about to obtain the Holy Grail. The Holy Grail was cut by the holy sword and what poured out burned the town. As I was right underneath the Holy Grail, I was showered with it. I understood the true identity of the Holy Grail at that time. It is worthless, but it does have its uses. Not many weapons are as specialized in murder as that. The Holy Grail is fine as is. There is no need to turn it into an omnipotent vessel. Then let us continue the battle from ten years ago. A boring lowlife got involved last time, but there will be no such interruptions this time. But then it seems a worse faker is here…"
>"I have the Holy Grail. It is my policy to finish matters quickly. I shall quickly construct the Holy Grail and open up the gate to hell."
HF
>"All right. I shall kill because they are disgusting, and you shall kill because it is fun. Our motives are different, but we seek the same thing from the Holy Grail. That must be why you have kept me! Hah, I do not care even if you do nothing. I shall do as I please."
>"You should die now, girl. You will not be able to die if you become familiar with it."
>"I was hoping for a poorly-made Holy Grail, but I never expected to reach the actual thing. It is a waste, but…"
>By the time he turns around, it's too late.
>>161296109
>>161295919
Fate/Zero did most things really well considering it was written by another author.
But it really was uncharacteristic of Gil to be ok with Caster's monsters tentacle graping everyone when in HF, he clearly isn't fine with innocent people dying for no reason.
>>161296408
>he clearly isn't fine with innocent people dying for no reason
???
>>161296569
He chooses to try and kill the shadow because it's wiping out the population of Fuyuki and he thinks only he is allowed to kill his subjects.
>>161277009
>>161277023
>>161277268
>>161277025
>>161277046
Extra Nero is the only good version of Nero though, she knew she fucked up and her romance with the mc actually feels natural. It all went downhill during CCC, FGO and Extella, the latter being the worst offender
>>161259891
I'm actually surprised by how many SNfags just hate Zero. I just don't understand this hateboner, personally. I started with DEEN anime, ended up reading the VN because I heard it was better, then read the Zero LN, and I'd definitely say that Zero was better.
Maybe it's the lack of self insertion that makes people feel more disconnected from Zero and thus making it not as well liked. Shirou was autistic, but watching the Grail War unfold from his perceptive, seeing a kid with a normal life go take that War on made him more relatable and easier to project yourself onto. Further enhanced by the very nature of VNs, where you end making decisions, making you feel even more connected and in the story. You don't get that in Zero, because there's really no character you can project yourself onto. At least I didn't get that. All of the character in Zero were a bit too retarded or fucked up for me to relate on that personal level.
>>161296804
That happens in HA, right? HA didn't exist at the time. That part of Gilgamesh's personality didn't exist. Gil has continued to change over each installment.
>>161296917
>Whore of Babylon
>ever good
>>161297172
Heaven's Feel, actually. You know. The original visual novel, Gilgamesh's original appearance.
>>161261179
There's gotta be an album somewhere.
>>161297241
Well, I didn't remember that bit. I still don't recall it, but it has been a long time since I finished it. It makes sense though, he didn't like the shadow, so that reason fits.
>>161297115
It's the 'secondaries'. Zero, being the first mainstream anime success for the Fate franchise, brought a lot of outside people interested in what they thought the series was about - a dark, grounded Death Games x Historical Figures setting with clear mechanics and a grounded storyline.
What they found instead was a teen shounen, with shounen characters, shounen plot, recolours of recolours of characters, nonstop fanservice and perpetually broken world mechanics. Basically, the 'real' Fatefags who had been reading the VNs were now plagued by Urofags who insist Fate was far better in Zero as a gritty seinen, rather than a trite, shit shounen eroge. So they got bitter about it
>>161297319
>Well, I didn't remember that bit
It was a quick scene. Gilgamesh decides to bully Sakura with swordspam.
The shadow eats him.
>>161297172
Well, I suppose he does fight Angra Mainyu again in F/HA, but we're talking about when he made the mistake of attacking an innocent girl that it was possessing rather than going straight for the source and died for it.
>>161266197
Strange Fake is the only LN that's ever made it into any kind of sales ranking. TM works usually only sell well in video game, anime, or manga form.
>>161296804
But that tentacle thing was disgusting. He said it himself. He still threw a couple of simple weapons at it, but he didn't want any useful NP to get near that. There were 3 other servants fighting it, so he left it to them.
>>161262815
Tell me about Archer. Why does he wear the veil?
>>161297341
Well, I kind of disagree on calling SN just shounenshit, as I do think it was a nice story pretty similar to Zero in many ways, but hating Zero for the fans it brought in is just backwards. Fatefags as a whole are some of the most insufferable faggots to ever walk this gay earth. People who just liked Zero are nearly not as bad overall. They're just mostly bad because they're "secondaries" to the franchise.
>>161259891
I agree that FZ LN > FSN VN but in my opinion you still need to read SN first for best Zero experience.
>>161297371
That is good to hear. I am glad that the Japs like SF. Perhaps that means that its adaptation will come fairly soon after the conclusion of the novels.
>>161277946
Narita's previous work featured a headless. A headless that could see and hear just fine. Compared to having no eyes, just seeing through a towel is nothing. Not only that, the archers have super eyes, that allow them to see miles away. I doubt they need to reestablish that bit. Seeing through a towel is nothing to even bother explaining, really.
>>161297395
>magic serial killers wiping out dozens of children are equivalent to a cthulhu monster sitting in a river
>>161297115
None of them hate zero. They just get pissed off at people shitting on/completely dismissing FSN when compared to Zero because they only watched the shitty old DEEN anime. The backlash from that over the years carried over to why there were people who were so hostile towards UBW when it aired. Though it also didn't help that UBW is 2/3 the length of F/Z, but ended up being a longer anime than it.
>>161262815
I want him to die so badly. Gilgamesh killed him once with no effort. He should be able to kill him again with a little effort. If not that, maybe the DEATH or Jack will. I don't care who does it. Just kill this fucker.
>>161263084
Personally, it just feels like he's making up whatever absurd bullshit he can think of as he goes along. And the primary reason people love it is because of that absurdity.
Also, I feel like the concept of Gil being a main Servant rather than just an antagonist loses a lot of its novelty considering Fate/EXTRA CCC came out since the original prologue came out years ago on April Fools.
Prisma is still the best. 4ier when?
>>161297371
>Strange Fake is the only LN that's ever made it into any kind of sales ranking.
Great, I never expected SF to sell that much when it first came out since it doesn't have a teenage boy romancing female servants and only have like, 2 females out of 14 servants. Narita's magic I guess.
Anyway, source about the sales? I wanna compare the sales of SF, Apocrypha, Fragments, and Zero.
>>161297692
Honestly, it feels like the only reason Gilgamesh is in this is because Enkidu is. What territory could you really explore with Gilgamesh after Fate/hollow ataraxia, CCC and, hell, even Fate/Grand Order?
In Fate/hollow ataraxia, we catch a glimpse of what Gilgamesh was like in his youth.
In Fate/EXTRA CCC, we see him in his greatest form, with a Master he respects and adores, willing to use all his power to accomplish his objectives. He resolutely proclaimed that his Master's enemies are his enemies, and will use Ea whenever commanded. In the Good Ending, he even sacrifices 90% of his treasury just to break out of the Far Side and save his Master. On top of that, we also see the nature of his relationship with Enkidu, and how that event affected him.
In Fate/Grand Order, we see what Gilgamesh is like after the thing with the snake, as the older and wiser King of Uruk. Even his alignment changes from Chaotic Good to Lawful Good.
And that's obviously not to mention Fate/stay night and Fate/Zero.
Gilgamesh in Fate/Strange Fake feels superfluous.
>>161297692
Strange Fake is indeed absurd, but I love it because of the mystery surrounding the characters and the grail war.
No wonder why Secondaries and VN elitists alike appreciate it.
>>161297896
Youthful Gil: Shota who hunted after cute big sister types.
Adult Gil: Playboy dipshit who did everyone and everything just because he could.
Old Gil: Wise old man who realized how pointless all his actions were when he was young.
>>161276072
>taken the Moon's deal instead
Like hell that moon deal is better
>>161297692
Im a gilfag but I'd be more interested in FSF if Gil and Enkidu are not in it because they are weakest part of the story. I don't think Narita knows how to write Gil, him and Urobuchi both miss alot of his character. CCC and FGO are much superior portrayal of Gil.
I'd be more interested in FSF if Gil and Enkidu are not in it. They are weakest part of the story.
>>161298339
Only Nasu can write Gil properly it seems.
>>161297673
>not wanting to see a Gilgamesh/Enkidu/Heracles team-up
>>161297896
>the only reason Gilgamesh is in this is because Enkidu is
I think it's the opposite. Narita wanted to write Gil, so he put in Enkidu to make things more interesting. Narita seems like the type of guy who'd like a faggot of Gil's caliber.
>>161297115
>Maybe it's the lack of self insertion that makes people feel more disconnected from Zero and thus making it not as well liked. Shirou was autistic, but watching the Grail War unfold from his perceptive, seeing a kid with a normal life go take that War on made him more relatable and easier to project yourself onto. Further enhanced by the very nature of VNs, where you end making decisions, making you feel even more connected and in the story. You don't get that in Zero, because there's really no character you can project yourself onto.
Exactly this.
>>161298378
Yes. Not saying the authors of the spin-offs are bad, but they tend to write old characters under fan-fiction lense. They should just write about new characters and leave the classics alone.
>>161298509
Nasu: "I wanted to do 'Fate' again and again and again and instead of accepting that I had written one of the best series of all time, and I would always have that, and freeing me to do, I don't know, to do something maybe a little more offbeat or explore, and risk failure, I mean, it's tragic, actually.
Did this thread get moved by the mods or am I losing my mind?
>>161298382
Heracles isn't even Heracles.
>>161298539
He's done with character driven work, at least for now with CCC. Grand Order is his chance to write the Tolkien-esque high mythology stuffs he's been doodling about since high school. Grand Order's early stories is shit, but once Nasu took back the reign for Camelot/Babylon/Salomon its in no way inferior to his previous works.
>>161297341
Anime-only people wanted Fate or HF (mostly HF). Nobody wanted UBW.
>>161298339
I kind of disagree. I don't think the other writers "miss" the character, I think they just focus on different aspects of him. That way, you're not seeing the same thing over and over again, but you're getting the same character.
That's not to say they never fuck up. In Zero, for example, Gil's temperament and arrogance was too different from his other counterparts, getting angry really easily and getting serious to fight Berserker simply because he managed to make Gil stand on ground. That felt really forced to those who came from reading Stay Night first. But his talks with Kirei and his attitude towards Tokiomi, Rider, Saber and even Waver felt on point. I think the reason for this was because at first, Urobuchi focused on Gil's arrogance too much in the beginning, but later began showing his hedonist and nihilistic world views. He even handled his arrogance better when he started focusing on his pride as a King, rather than just his strength.
So I wouldn't say spin off authors miss his character. I'd just say they start badly. First in Zero and now in SF, Gil starts out fairly boring. In Zero, they managed to overcome that boring bit, and I have faith Narita will also make Gil more interesting once the war really starts.
>>161297172
"Report," chapter from Heaven's Feel
I thought it was already established that Fate/Stay Night VN > Fate/Zero anime > UBW anime
>>161298788
He never took Berserker serious. As proof, he never once pulled out Ea. He never even considered.
>>161297344
KAIJUU JANAI MON
>>161299045
He doesn't need to. He can fight seriously without Ea. Ea is just what he pulls out when he needs to overkill.
>>161287372
I watched the DEEN anime back in 2008, then read the F/SN visual novel, then read Tsukihime and Kagetsu Touhya before watching the Kara no Kyoukai adaptation years before Zero came out. Then I read the Zero light novel five episodes into the anime release (no one thought there was a chance in hell of UFOtable getting anything Fate related as long as DEEN had its hands on the franchise, so when Zero was announced the hype was real). Zero is exactly what I thought F/SN would be when I first read a description of it.
>Only anime onlies prefer Zero over SN and HA
But this is what newfags think. Elitists proud over the fact that they've read the most mainstream visual novel ever released are the worst thing the Zero anime produced. Not the secondaries.
>>161287910
Minor inconsistencies. Like Saber saying she "defeated" Gil in 4th War. You can argue that from Saber's POV, she indeed killed Gil as the black mud that melted his body was released because of Saber, but still.
>>161259891
It's so much better, I thought this was something people would mostly agree on
Heaven's Feel > Zero > Fate = Unlimited Blade Works
there will nothing better in fate than carnival phantasm
>>161296408
>>161297581
In Zero, Gil didn't see Gilles de Rais as a threat and felt that he could easily be beaten by all the other Servants. He also didn't want to waste his power on a disgusting tentacle monster that he could kill with ease. Lastly, he wanted to see what Saber was capable of, and when he did he was impressed and wanted to make Saber his wife and claim her as another treasure to add to his collection.
In Heaven's Feel, Gil knew that the Shadow/Avenger/Dark Sakura was going to develop into not only a threat to the entire world but also a threat to him when he became familiar with the Grail when he was soaked in its contents. When Gil notices a threat to himself, he dispatches it in the fastest and most effective way possible. This is clearly shown in Unlimited Blade Works when he nearly killed Archer.
Gil thought Gilles was garbage that wasn't worth his time.
He thought Saber as another treasure to add to his collection.
He thought Archer was a threat to his power and a faker, insulted by his ability to copy his treasures.
But the Shadow/Avenger/Dark Sakura he recognized as a demon that could destroy everything, even himself, and sought to eliminate it before things could get out of hand.
>>161300702
KIMI TO
>>161301004
how would she be in carnival phantasm?
>>161301024
She would be best girl hands down petting grail-kun and "petting" all the girls.
>>161301073
LANSA GA SHINDA!!
>>161263039
all better than stay night's shit
>>161301087
The true evil of all humanity.
>>161299576
>Elitists proud over the fact that they've read the most mainstream visual novel ever released are the worst thing the Zero anime produced. Not the secondaries.
>>161300983
>But the Shadow/Avenger/Dark Sakura he recognized as a demon that could destroy everything, even himself, and sought to eliminate it before things could get out of hand.
No he didn't. Because if he did, he would have destroyed the grail system instead of bullying a girl to kill herself when he knew what the issue was. Taking out the grail system, which he is perfectly capable of doing, would eliminate the link between Sakura and the main body of the curse, but he needs that for his genocide plan.
He literally says during the scene, and also says it in Unlimited Codes as well, that he wanted to use the curse on people for his own ends, on his terms, he doesn't really care if they die, it just has to be on his terms.
>>161301236
Thanks for proving him right.
>>161259891
They are the same fucking story, so one being better than the other is completely irrelevant. You need to take in both for the complete experience.
>>161279690
She uses invisible air to give the bike near zero wind resistance allowing it to surpass its limitations. 4channers can't comprehend a clever use of magic and physics, however.
>>161301476
Proving him right how? By pointing out his bullshit? By telling the truth that NOTHING is worse than secondaries? Or by seeing through his lies to realize he himself was just a secondary?
>>161301766
>y-y-you must be lying
Thanks for proving me right.
>When you love the Stay Night series, Zero in all its forms and every bit of the EXTRAverse
>When you think Prisma is pretty great
>When even Apoc and Grand Order are decent enough
Shame that people always gotta choose a side. It's okay to like everything.
I read/played the VN first and Zero was disappointing.
It's still better than the VN adaptions though.
>>161294628
How the fuck do they know about this?
>>161276072
Gil was just an obstacle in that route, true antagonist was Archer.
it fits the route's thematics
> I never understod why HF had to have 3 big bad antagonists
Kirei and Zouken are the only "big bad antagonists". Alter is pretty much just a robot
if anything this is good, because it gives a reason for the temporary Shirou-Kirei alliance.
Funny how the only people who believe F/SN is better than F/Z are a couple of autists on /a/.
Even Nasu himself thinks F/Z is the pinnacle of the franchise.
>>161301896
I feel you. People are way too jaded. It's like they go into TM things just to find things to get angry at.
>>161302597
>>Even Nasu himself thinks F/Z is the pinnacle of the franchise.
Nasu also thinks KnK is shit and feels embarrassed of having ever written. Nasu also says every 3 years he's done writing Fate and then does a new Fate work 5 days later.
Why are Urobuchi and Nasu so fond of exposition?
The first two episodes of FZ are almost nothing but talking.
>>161302597
> what is Beast's Lair
> what is MAL
> what is every weab site, where people've actually read the source material
> Even Nasu himself thinks F/Z is the pinnacle of the franchise.
blatantly false
Hungry Kirei>Hungry Seiba
Prove me wrong
>>161302728
The only bad things about KnK were the half-assed final villain, the chuuni protag, and Tomoe not being the main male protagonist.
>>161302816
> chuuni protag
fuck off
> Tomoe not being the main male protagonist.
Enjou isn't MC material
F/Z is funny because it shows how ineffective and shit mages and the Association really are
>Kerry is more effective tactically using sniper rifles and bombs compared to using magic (did he even use any magic besides enchanted bullets?)
>the Association and Church implemented rules over the War specifically because the first three Grail Wars became increasingly bloody no winners & no-survivors bloodbaths but the 4th Grail War is still a giant clusterfuck of buildings being explodered, the japanese military getting involved, randoms being murdered and Cthulhu even gets summoned in front of the whole town
>>161302898
>did he even use any magic besides enchanted bullets?
He used his Time Alter several times in El-Melloy and Kirei fights.
>>161302870
She was a little fucking chuunibyou who turned down a guy in the most chuuni way possible.
>>161302898
going by the light novel:
> Time Alter
> suggestion on one of the evacuators to convince him that he's Kayneth
> self-suggestion on himself to put himself to sleep, after days spent without any rest
not his own magecraft, but usage of non-conventional tech method:
used succubus saliva to find traces inside the Tohsaka manor
>>161302730
Nasu's settings are often too detailed for their own good and Urobuchi can't comprehend subtlety.
>tsukihime writing
>not *random incongruous bullshit happened* like a puppet with its strings cut
>>161299576
You're one of a kind. The huge majority of the VN readers like the VN better, it's just a better more complex story compared to how simple Zero was.
>>161284104
Fate has always been the target for...
>>161301650
>4channers can't comprehend a clever use of magic and physics
No; more to the point: the transformation of the bike is not in the novels. It's visual candy for the anime; don't read too much in to it.
>>161302472
Unlike the Mage's Association, they've actually been paying attention. It isn't particularly hard to turn on the television.
>>161304129
The Mage's Association doesn't give two shits as long as there are no witnesses. They don't care about the civilians, their first concern is secrecy.
>>161304272
I didn't contradict that assessment. Regardless of their motives, they pay less attention collectively to the Grail Wars than would any single 'rogue' magus who had an arbitrary interest in its proceedings.
Do people really think their opinions about Fate are important?
At this point all I see are people pointing and different piles of shit claiming their one smells better.Even if it smells better, it's still shit.
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>>161297115
>All of the character in Zero were a bit too retarded or fucked up
And Shirou isn't?
On the surface level , Kiritsugu is better self insert material than Shirou. A cool badass with guns who's all edgy vs a weak novice mage with a mental illness
>>161297341
>was a teen shounen, with shounen characters, shounen plot, recolours of recolours of characters, nonstop fanservice and perpetually broken world mechanics
>This is the state of the current "Fate" fanbase
Shonen is a demographic. F/SN was never shonen because it's demographic was never teenage kids. The gore in it is too much for any of them.
The only thing "shonen" about F/SN is how the MC, Shirou, is a deconstruction for the "all loving hero" present in many shonen throughout the three routes.
>, recolours of recolours of characters, nonstop fanservice and perpetually broken world mechanics.
The world mechanics were broken since Zero. Recolours of recolours of characters doesn't applies to F/SN, as it was the first Fate work. Talking about "Nonstop fanservice" only shows you have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about.
>>161259891
Just rewatched Zero, and oh boy was it amazing. Everything about it is just so epic and rule of cool. I enjoyed every episode.
>>161303733
Compared to a lot of other VNs, SN is pretty simplistic in comparison.
>>161302898
I think you'll like Strange Fake, if you aren't already reading it.
>>161307652
I was comparing it to Zero, though.
Who cares, I just want to read Mahoyo.
>>161265501
Ufo's adaptations are overrated. Yeah the production was high though.
>>161302898
It's not that mages are inherently ineffective, it's just a majority don't adapt and stick to very conservative values.
Look at the Tohsaka sisters, both are very adaptable in balancing modern values and being magi, Sakura a little more than Rin, which is how she was able to live with being a magical experiment, but was able to further her studies well out of captivity when she should have been useless as a magus after she went through, but she found her own shishou who was a man of the Church, it's progressive thinking.
It's funny how in the past, people had a lot of power but relied on it, but modern mages are more adaptable even if they are weaker.
>>161311234
>found her own shishou
Was it ever mentioned who? I don't remember that in HA
>>161297341
Aren't the "secondaries" the ones who see it as the later? Back when it was just F/SN and Zero (and HA, but Tsukihime also had a silly fan disk so everyone knew not to take it seriously), the Saber clones didn't exist, the world mechanics were more internally consistent than they've been since, and the fanservice was largely a joke that everyone rolled their eyes at.
>can't trust this lancer guy I have to proceed cautiously
>"I accept your propose but with one condition"
>this seems fair, let's see what he says
>"stay away from tohsaka"
oh my god this is so cringy I can't go on look at their faces music stopped too jesus christ what have I done
>>161297278
Dumping
>>161312283
Shirou's right to be cautious, Rin's a slut who gets thirsty as fuck around Archer and Lancer.
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>>161312351
this is not something interesting enough to need a dump, anon
>>161312283
It made me laugh, I enjoyed it.
>>161312470
I wasn't expecting this I forgot this is a 16y sexually frustrated japanese boy
>>161312547
you are sick in the head
>>161312668
Watching Tosaka get flustered is all a man needs in life.
>>161312541
Fate threads are inherently shit and inferior to Raildex threads anyways
>>161312283
>Not protecting your girl from Irish manwhores
>>161313046
it's ok when they are alone but not with other people watching
If you fucked Sakura would you get worms?
>>161313243
fuck off
>>161313046
Agreed, I hit so many decisions to make Rin emotional in Fate/UBW I'm surprised I didn't get a bad end.
>>161313207
But that's literally the best time.
>>161313399
I see, you are a man of culture as well.
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>>161313465
ok it wasn't so bad I found the courage to click and go ahead tohsaka face repaid everything
>>161313520
jesus christ