What's the rank of the original Servants in power?

>>161242455
It's amazing how wrong that is.

>>161242455
Fate/Zero is shit and inferior to FSN.

>>161242455
>original

>>161242455
>Original
Zero is like the 5th war nigger

>>161242455
What kind of power do you mean?
It's a rock paper scissor but overall more or less it goes like this.
Gilgamesh>hercules>saber>cu>emiya>medusa>lancelot>medea=or>alex>deermud>kojiro>hassan

>>161242455
General power levels would put the characters in the following, assuming each of them had an "average" master, and with a few rock/paper/scissors oddities, like EMIYA and Lancelot both being really strong against Gilgamesh
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Gilgamesh > Berserker Heracles > Cu > Saber > Medusa > EMIYA > Alexander > Lancelot > Medea > Diarmuid > Gilles > Hassan > Kojiro

>>161243339
I haven't finished FSN so excuse me if it sounds dumb can't Emiya at least defeat Lancer with UBW?

>>161242455
there is no objective powerlevels- it depens on circumstance almost entirely

at best you can break them down by vague tiers

high tier:
Gil, Lancelot, Saber, Herc, Alex

Med tier:
Cu, Archer, Deermud, kojiro, Medusa

low tier:
hassan, Medea, Giles,

>>161243469
Lancer has protection against projectile attacks

>>161243505
I see.

>>161242455
>Diarmuid above Saber
>Saber=Emiya
>Gilles>Medea
>Kojiro>fucking Hassan
Absolutely hilarious

>>161243469
Emiya has totally shit luck stat so Cu's regular gae bolg heart causality shit would almost assuredly 1 shot Emiya.

>>161243640
honestly Giles is likely the worst overall servant in either HGW

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It depends on the compatibility.

>>161243707
Ok that's not even true, counting Avenger, but Kojiro is worse by a long shot

>>161243781
kojiro is extremely potent in CQC- and without the temple mount restriction still has the hassan presence concealment for ambushes

Giles is nigh helpless on his own- relying on his lil squids for fighting, and his big monster is unusable if you want to win

>avenger
wasnt actually in either HGW proper

>>161242455
>Medusa at the bottom

It's like you don't even know how strong she really is

>>161243640
Yeah it should be
Legend of Samurai>everyone else

>>161243781
In pure skill kojiro is the best melee fighter in both 4th and 5th hgw.
Not to mention his "second magic" noble phantasm.

>>161243976
sumanai is lowest tier

What would have happened if Kirei summoned big boss Hassan instead of the usual bunch?

>>161244092
They both would be confused that they share a same voice

>>161244092
>big boss Hassan
you mean KH? hed refuse to do anything unless big G tells him to- possibly kill kirei for being a scumbag

>>161244033
Not quite true, as Lancelot was a more skilled swordsman than Saber and might outskill Kojiro if he were a Saber.

>>161244053
>.
I think you are confusing Samurai with Sumanai, Kojiro is really low in the overall powerlevel spectrum, Siegfried SHOULD be a high tier servant but because of plot devices he is always worthless.

>>161244233
Defeat? yes
Outskill? no
The fact that kojiro spent his entire life practicing and polishing his swordmanship to the point that he actually cutting trough dimension without a single drop of magical energy is a solid proof of his superiority in swordmanship.

>>161244793
kojiro and saber were of somewhat comparable skill- with kojiro being better

lancelot is better than saber also, and by a margin

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>>161244851
>comparable
No, definitely not.
Kojiro is clearly superior against saber.
Saber had a hard time following kojiro's movement. If not for saber's precog and his bent sword, saber would lose her head.

>>161245058
>bent sword
Which resulted from their first encounter. He failed to take her head the first time.

>>161245117
>first time
Yes because of her precog.
Not skill

Isn't it also dependent on the master?

Like, Saber under Shirou is considerably weaker than Saber under Kerry, and I think Saber under Rin is stronger than that.

>>161245058
>Kojiro is clearly superior against saber.
yes, and lancelot is also clearly superior against saber- and everyone else from the camelot era as well

>>161245168
That IS skill, as much skill as natural talent contributes

Precog, or futuresight, is just a better form of prediction

Not including it as skill is a big disservice

>>161242455
>Diarmuid above Cu
Takes 2 brain cells to figure out this is wrong.

>>161245259
the "skill" i meant regarding kojiro is "swordmanship" not overall combat skill since saber and lancelot are obiously superior. Thus that's why i said lancelot will defeat kojiro, because lancelot and saber have more skills to win a fight than kojiro, otherwise kojiro will have a good chance winning a HGW since he's clearly not. But still, in pure sword skill kojiro is the best in both 4th and 5th HGW.

>>161245221
Because he knows her exact fighting style from knowing her in life. It's like Chiron having an advantage over Achilles.

>>161245278
Diarmuid outskills Saber, Saber outskills Cu. 2 spears>1 spear. Pretty cut and dry to me.

>>161246388
>Because he knows her exact fighting style from knowing her in life
maybe, but even outside of that hes described as better

>EAM description
>Arcondight description

>>161246388
Cu has a shitty master.
Also if they both summoned in ireland cu will wipe the floor.

>>161246484
I agree Lancelot was higher in pure technique but Saber was better overall when factoring in skills and the all-important NPs (Arondight is a garbage finisher and didn't even exist in his legend, how is it the equal to Excailbur), in but in fights between the two of them, having full knowledge of her bumped him from "better in a melee fight" to " hard counter"

>>161242455
dunno

>>161244233
Kojiro is so skilled he can defend combat the likes of Heracles and Saber with a thin katana that isn't even a Noble Phantasm

>>161243490
sage