>Mangaka tries to use science in his manga >Mangaka doesn't

Same in every form of media

Science is hard, especially for creative types. And yet, there is a compulsion to make your work more realistic by referring to science.

>>161231876
What's wrong with the Schrodinger's explanation in Phantoms World?

Because trying to explain things is one of the things the human consciousness specializes in.

Thinking is hard for idiots.

Why is Schrodinger's cat so common in anime

isn't pic related a light novel?

>>161232024
Cats are cute and so are anime grills so it's the logical conclusion and the easiest to explain out of most philosphical theories unless you want to get into Kant and some other dumb shit nobody cares about.

>>161232208
But saying that the cat is both dead or alive till you check it, is the principle, not the explanation.

>>161232024
Because nobody really gets it, but it's so simple that it makes people believe they actually understand quantum physics.

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>>161231876
Because fuck you.

>>161231876
Nothing wrong with psuedo-science. Only autists care whether fiction is scientifically accurate.

>>161232024
I's common everywhere becaus it's the only thing people "get" about quantum physics.

>>161232352
I like the way my physics prof put it. "Analogies/Intuitive explanations of quantum physics are made by physicists to make sure no one else will understand quantum physics"

>>161231876
Jojo popularized the use of pseudo science in japanese media

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>>161231876
>mangaka
>manga
>posts Phantom World

>>161231876
>Mangaka tries to use X in his manga
>Mangaka doesn't understand X

It's not only science, mate, it's almost everything unfamiliar to an antisocial Japanese borderline-shut-in in his 20s

Haruhi novels actually decently integrated maths and science into their stories

>>161231876
>Why is this so common?
Because few people are talented at science and at drawing manga.

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Did you guys know humans just use a 5% of their brains? Very interesting. Its a very schrodinger cat-like situation.

>>161232506
(Damn butterfingers, hit Post to early)
You as an antisocial Western borderline-shut-in in his 20s only notice it because 'science' is way more part of nerd culture in the west than in the east.
(Also fuck CAPTCHA, i just had to solve 6 of those fucking things)

It goes like this:
>Mangaka sees something that he finds interesting and/or cool
>Only understands it from a superficial level
>Decides to put in his work anyway because it's cool and interesting

>>161232593
I remember some movie where a guy had some pills that "unlocked" the potential of the brain and he could use like 8% or something.

>>161232543
This
although that maths solution to Snowy Mountain Syndrome was underwhelming

>>161231876
>posts a picture from the one show that actually gets Schrodinger's cat right
you people really fucking love hating this show

>>161232750
Limitless, I think. and he could use all of it.

>>161231876
>mangaka starts writing legitimate ways to get muscular
>midway through he pulls a "nah these muscles are fake. you have to go through different, more harsh training that won't make your muscles big but will make them strong".

>>161232448

The missile knows where it is because it knows where it isn't.

>>161231876
But that explanation was spot-on.

>>161231923
The poor science in Aldnoah Zero pissed me off so much I stopped watching it.

>>161231948
Absolutely nothing

>>161234373
But apart from Aldnoah's magic power, it was rather well done.

>>161231921
This.

>>161231948
It was just an excuse to have catgirls

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>>161231876
>Manga is a medium mostly directed towards kids and teenagers
>Children's writers try to get 2deep4u and fail

Think of it like this: if Light Novel authors were intelligent and knowledgeable in the field of science they wouldn't be writing Light Novels, they'd be writing Novels.

>>161234677
Novel marked is technically smaller than the LN marked, if you account for marked penetration.

>>161234677
>if Light Novel authors were intelligent and knowledgeable in the field of science they wouldn't be writing Light Novels, they'd be writing Novels.
Why's that? Do you have any evidence that says that scientists can't love sexy depictions of underage girls and harems?

>>161231876
Index in a nutshell.

>Accelerator stops the rotation of the planet for a while and throws the energy he got from that at a building
>author had no idea how much energy this would mean in reality
>anime has to change the scene into him just throwing a building because it was just that stupid

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>>161231876
you should be able to solve this

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>>161234751
Fucking this, I'd read more novels if they had eroge artists making illustrations and character designs

>>161232593
Isn't it because the other 95% is unconsciously keeping your body alive?

>>161234861
No, because the other 95% is our potential that can be explored, anon.

>>161234861
More like because the rest isn't supposed to do that
To make a simple example, did you know that only a small part of your pc is actually processing data?
It's because the rest is busy doing other important stuff

>>161231876
>what is Planetes
>what is 2001 nights
>what is Black Jack (to a certain degree)

>>161234861
A lot of it is stuff like memory as well. Or trying to make sense of organs perception of reality, which is a nightmare.

Screw it, 95% is pretty much trying to keep you alive, and i guess some part of the brain isn't super effective because the brain fears malnutrition or chemical overheating.

>>161234578
The writing was even shittier than the science. The anon you replied to is a tasteless fuck when he thought only the science was wrong.

>>161235050
I will never understand how JAPAN views social position or rumors.
I don't fucking even. Its too alien
Sure: I might perceive the edges of it, but not the actual shape of their belief. I don't fucking even

I have just watched this particular scene and am not sure on the point of having mc explaining the though experiment like reading a Wikipedia summary. Does the explanation really suffice the understanding of this reducto ad absurdium. I mean does people who are not even familiar with rudimentary stuff like the weird neither particle nor wave like behaviour of subatomic particles, the famous two hole experiment, Heisenberg's uncertainty principle and Schrödinger's wave function equation and copenhagen interpretation get what's the actual deal with the cat is? or do they just take it as 'you can't tell until you observe' mixing up with epistemology and such

>>161234828
Angle chasing isn't math.

>>161234727
>marked

>>161231876
Schrödinger's cat is philosophy.

>>161235226
Who said anything about it only being the science.
It was just the straw that broke the camel's back.

>>161234861
No, it's a meaningless misconception. There's no real way to measure what percent of a brain is being used at a time.

>>161231876
Because writers make shit up when they don't get something. In the end, it depends on how much they give a fuck about accuracy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7Hn1rPQouU

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>>161235408
Philosophy of Science. But science and philosophy were never that strictly detached from eachother. One could consider the Scientific Method the epitome of Epistemology for example.

>>161231876

Your average scientist doesn't 'understand' science.

How many of them have even heard of Kuhn and/or Popper and the significance of their work to the field they work in?

>>161235781
>that nuke
Fucking perfect

>>161234373
>>161234578
Aldnoah was fine in first cour but somewhere before second cour writers managed to get a brain damage

>>161234828

This doesn't make any sense to me.

Angle BDA is 40 degrees, if you add up the angles in Triangle BDA
Angle BDC must be 140, because a flat line has 180 degrees (180-40)

But Angle BCA, if you add up the degrees from the whole Triangle, must be 20 degrees (180 - 80 - 80).

BCA = BCD, so something isn't right. That loli needs to be fucked

>manga tries to tell the hard truth
>still has a round earth

>>161235886

Science is simply a method used to obtain causal information. With strict controls and single independent/dependent variables, it close to guarantees that what you're looking at is a causal relationship. Now, this obviously is incomplete because the world doesn't run on a series of two variable relationships, but it is the foundation of things.

Humans have obtained causal information through observation and experience throughout history but it's far less precise than science. Sun comes up, causes stuff to grow, if we pray the sun comes up, ergo no pray = no sun = no food = death. This is why anecdotes can't fully be discounted just because science disputes them, the world isn't as simple as science makes it out to be.

>>161231876

Most writers are not in STEM fields. In Japan especially, most animators, mangakas, or LN writers started out as fans of those fields, and so pursued careers that push them full-time into it. They're artists, not mathematicians, and for the most part (outside the US) you don't get STEMs reading anime/manga. You get other creatives reading it and not knowing better.

The US is unique in the world where comic books, video games, tabletops and D&D get stereotyped along with high functioning autism and intelligence. You're a civvy engineer and also a Ranma 1/2 fan. That happens NO WHERE ELSE ON EARTH, and it's because of the US redneck anti-intelligence bias.

>>161237444
>The US is unique in the world where comic books, video games, tabletops and D&D get stereotyped along with high functioning autism and intelligence.
No. The US has lots of soft science fiction as well.
Japan has lots of hard science fiction.
I think you have a sample bias.

>>161235886
>Kuhn
>Popper
>significance

>>161237633
>The most significant people in their field
>insignificant

>>161238030
What did they change about how people do scientific work?

>>161237526
>The US has lots of soft science fiction as well.
>Japan has lots of hard science fiction.

Standards have risen over time. Chemistry was once considered the hardest of the sciences, since it was the first to be fully mapped out in detail. But Chemistry has stayed mostly the same for 80 years, while Biology and (astro/quantum) Physics have taken many leaps forward.

The same applies to writing standards. The Wier novel, The Martian, is what I expect out of hard science today. It's based on real world technology with plausible applications. By contrast, something on the tier of Star Trek, which may have been thought of as "hard" in the 1960's, is very soft.

And Star Wars is just Lord of the Rings in space. There's no science or sensibility at all.

To write a hard sci-fi these days, you have to do a ton of research and rely on expert opinions, or be an expert yourself.

it isn't trying to commentate on something real, it's inserting a facet/idea of reality and arbitrarily melding it for the purpose of a story or briefly summarizing it for the sake of comparison

>>161231948
Phantom World actually had proper explanations for things but thats because Ishihara literally went to scientists for them

>>161239046
Why would he? Souichirou Hatano explains the Schrondinger's experiment in detail in the novels as well.

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>>161239143
Phantom World's anime covered a lot of topics besides just Schrodingers Cat though, like the phenomenon of illusions

>>161231876
>mangaka
That's an anime adapted from an LN. Also, >>161231921

>>161239263
You don't really need a scientist to learn stuff like that though. Haruhiko's info dumps are full of that stuff as well.

>>161234861
Stupid. You are using 100% of your brain just not all the time.

>>161237152
the fuck are you on about?
BCD /= BDC
I'm guessing you got those confused

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>>161235300

>>161241480
red

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>>161231876
pic related, and we are talking about math. Just imagine about the other sciences.

>>161237444
>Sun comes up, causes stuff to grow, if we pray the sun comes up, ergo no pray = no sun = no food = death. This is why anecdotes can't fully be discounted just because science disputes them, the world isn't as simple as science makes it out to be.
Non-sequitur. Science hasn't disputed the observed link between sunlight and the growth of plants; if anything it confirmed it and even discovered the mechanism behind it. Now, you could say that it has disputed the notion of prayer having anything to do with the sun coming up (not directly, but by providing an explanation for what causes the sun to "come up" and it not involving any prayer anywhere), but considering that even if today nobody prays for the sun to come up tomorrow or there's suddenly no-one on Earth to pray, the sun will come up tomorrow morning just fine*, I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
Also, where'd you get the impression that science makes the world out to be simple? The nineteenth century?

* Barring unforeseen events like the sudden destruction of the sun or Earth, a high-velocity impact causing the Earth to be instantly knocked out of the sun's orbit, a vacuum decay event starting within lighthours distance etc.

>>161231876
most engineers don't understand science either, how do you expect an artist will understand it fully?

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>>161241480
>>161241673

>>161232674
the word "nerd" has been bastardized in the last decade. People call nerd someone that can install windows on a PC, install an customize Xposed or talk about popular fantasy books.

The nerd from before were people who knew about electronics, complex programming subjects, extensive history and literature knowledge or extemely proficient with computers (customization, sysadmin task, automation, etc). Most of them knew about manga, anime, comics or videogames.

Being call nerd nowadays is mostly a meme.

>>161233614
Listen to it 50 times and you will find out it's actually quite logical and makes a lot of sense.

>>161232024
But had Schrodinger really done any experiments with a cat in the box or is it a purely theoretical experiment?

>>161243213
Schrodinger is dead, and we will never know. You might say the answer is within the catbox.

>>161243213
He killed thousands of cats over a period of 7 years. His entire lab stank of corpse.

>>161243213
Why would he do that? It's a metaphor to (incorrectly) represent how subatomic particles behave

>>161243213
>>161243257
There are actually still several unopened boxes with cats inside.
Scientists are too afraid to open them because they will be blamed for killing the cats if the cats are dead

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>>161231921

Step aside

>>161243561
I wonder if people ever called him Crab?

>>161243213
The only thing I can tell you is that if he had lived today, he would fap to cat girls.

>>161232877
Because the IRC crew planted the seed, so now it's apparently cool to shitpost anything KyoAni into the ground. Add some anime tiddies and you basically have a retarded amount of triggered and pretentious losers that feel like screaming at completely inoffesnive things.

>>161234828
That's not a 70° angle, it's evidently less than 45°

>>161234828
you can get this to work, but it looks nothing like the one in the picture

>>161235408
No, it's a mental experiment made to understand quantum mechanics, it's not fucking philosophy

I really liked Phantom World, I wish it was more popular.

>>161246225
Popularity isn't always a good thing.

>>161246225
I liked antennae loli. Not enough to justify watching this turd.

>>161235860

Scientific method has no discourse. There are only cold hard provable experiments.