>let's design the genkiest of girls >who tries harder

That's my fetish.

>>161228276
At least this never actually happens in the other routes and sequels. She probably reaches her dream in every single timeline except her own. Incredible.

>>161228429
Wrong. In many other routes Momoyo hints that she's going to get a reality check sooner or later.

>>161228782
>7 games later she's still getting stronger
Yeah nah

>>161228276
Maybe if she embraced the power of YOUTH her dreams would come true

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>>161228856
>we will never get a sequel based on the original girls again, where you get new routes for them after the events of A-5, in which Wanko gets a proper, fulfilling ending where she doesn't give up

Give me a reason why shoudn't I just kill myself on the spot right now.

>>161229289
At least she didn't get raped.

>>161228276
let's not do that

>>161228276
Was her dream to get married and have 2-27 children? No? Darwin will forget her soon enough.

>>161229133
>Give me a reason why shouldn't I just kill myself on the spot right now.

Because it's not outside the realm of possibility

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Sorry Wanko.
But I was over you a game and a half ago.
All I want to do is conquer the world with my hegemon king.

Why was she trying so hard for?

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>>161231357
4u

>>161231625
She wanna be the saiyan

>>161228276
Nips have the strangest "born right" fetish.
I get that being born a certain way will make you literally more suited to some tasks than others, but if Rocky Marciano can become an undefeated heavyweight champion with arms as long as most boxer's shins then anything is possible

>>161231357
tfw when wanted a split route with Seiso and Haou endings

>>161231625
Imagine if Yamcha had Vegeta's obsession with fighting Goku.
That's Wanko.

>>161233425
But Yamcha was shit because he didn't train but played basketball with normies.

>>161232390
It's day and night, in the West the opposite is taken as gospel.

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Why are the Majifriday threads ded?

>>161228856
>>161228429
>she actually becomes the strongest in the shittiest route (Miyako's) because she was told she had no talent by Miyako in a cunty way and went to train alone in the mountains with nothing but her anger

When did you realize that Yamato and the Kazama family were the ones holding her back by constantly coddling her and treating her with child gloves?

>>161233907
Because mods started deleting them

>>161234019
>tfw miyako's was the only route I didn't play
Well now I have to do it.

>>161234019
Damn your taste is trash if you think Miyako is any worse than Momoyos . That route is a complete letdown.

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>>161234208
You're right, I just exaggerated to fit in with the cool kids on /a/ who always say Miyako's route is the worst.

>>161234170
Majikoi first VN
Read it, it's good.

>>161234208
Nothing is worse than Chris's route.

>gets raped
>like a hentai scene, has no choice but to accept the circumstances and never told anyone about the accident
>suddenly live together
>Next scene they are in germany fighting against her father

>>161234511
They were already a couple when it happened, it's not like raping a stranger.

And it's not rape if she ends up wanting it. She had "plenty of choice", all she had to do was call her Papa after the incident.

>>161234019
>she actually becomes the strongest in Miyako's route

What? I don't remember this. Can you provide a quote?

>>161234594
I meant as far as the main routes are concerned, she ends up winning all her Kawakami battles or whatever those were, even against some talented warrior from another city, which all the other girls from the family said she had no chance against. (This happened after the threeway battle of Chris/Wanko/Miyako and her mountain training)

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I honestly think this wasn't the intention of the writer. I think it was just supposed to be a life lesson on how you can find happiness without your over the top dream, and that a mediocre life is worth as long as you have the people you love around you.

But they just accidentally went waaaaaay too fucking far with it by trying to get their point across and they just basically slaughtered their own character.
In the 10 years timeskip at the end of her route you could literally feel Wanko internally screaming.

>why did i stop training why am i a nutritionist i should be shooting lasers in space with onee-san

>>161234511
>raped

what broke?

>>161234962
her existence

Can we get to A-5 english translation already?
I really want that threesome with yoshitsune and Benkei my dick is dying.

>>161234962
My smile

>>161234801
I don't like this. My shounen anime always taught me that you can become the strongest even if you're the weakest if your will is strong enough.

>>161235484
Nobody actually liked it, only people pretending to be edgy or trying to make wankofags mad.

>>161234882
You read too much doujinshi anon. Time to face reality.

>>161235622
Well to be fair, it's still arguably the best route in the game, for the feels alone.

I forget the name of this VN, but it was the most melodramatic teenage soap opera shit I have ever read in VN form. Absolute trash.

P.S. those sports festival scenes are the worst things I have ever read

>>161236448
It's well written, its just that the message is beyond horrible while pretending to be happy, it's not satisfying in any sense.

>>161236537
Then there's this guy

>>161228276
"do not hesitate to crush ur characters"
- yoshiyuki tomino, great director

>>161234208
What's wrong with Momoyo's route?

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>>161238210
Too perfect

What happened to the translations for this? Last thing I heard S1 was nearly complete.

Wanko a shit. I don't know why you fags like loser girls.

>>161238379
Do you live in the stone age or something??

https://majitranslations.wordpress.com/

>>161238507
I like Wanko because she's cute like a dog.

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I fell in love with this baka robot, and it makes me sad to know she will pretty much never appear again, even if Takahiro decides to continue Majikoi at some nebulous point in the futre.

>>161238509
Damn, looks like I'm reading Majikoi this evening.

>>161228276

Failing after years of training and being told, 'No, you're done,' really is the worst.

>>161238507
>muh tragic heroine
>I-I have to protect her

>>161238379
Give up. Translations are dead. JAST bought the rights to Majikoi. It's probably going to be close to a decade before A3 gets released at the typical JAST pace.

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>>161238585
Strongest smug.

>>161238507
>>161238622
oh no, they are here

https://twitter.com/jastusa/status/881755172246089728

What are the chances of its 'twin' getting an english release

>>161238853
Twin?

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>mfw i just finished replaying wanko's route and this thread appears
>>161236578
>while pretending to be happy, it's not satisfying in any sense
What do you mean pretending to be happy?
The ending is quite bittersweet because she will carry the sorrow of failing at her first dream all her life, but nonetheless she got up again and found her way. It makes it sad but also relieving and special.
While i agree we read the chinese cartoon novels to escape reality and want our girls to be happy so the ending may come off as depressive in a sense, i think it's quite satisfying.
If i could change something i guess it would be the reason she couldn't make it. Not having enough talent is something that on an emotional level is hard to accept, so i wonder how would it have felt if she had gotten into an accident and got an injure or something.
>tfw no crippled potato Wanko to change her diapers three times a day as she drolls all over

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>>161239949
That's some serious fucking bait.

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>>161239949

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>>161239949
Silly anon, all maji's are best.
None can beat hermit crabs tho.

>>161228276
>Something breaks
Indeed and it was fucking great. Loved that scene

>>161239468
It's not satisfying simply because of the context of the whole thing. It's not just a character that failed her dream and learned to deal with it. It's a character that was happier than any other in the story, the one that worked the hardest, and the one that that most desired to realize her dream, yet the plot just constantly shitted on her again and again and again and kept you saying "surely next time it will go alright for her, r-right?".
Except that never happens and then everything goes to shit, and you are supposed to feel happy that she settled for the mediocre life with the only reason being
"lol its impossible if you aren't born being the best from the start, kiddo. Oh but dont worry your entire decade of nonstop training was useful because of this one scene with a small earthquake where you could save MC from a falling piece of wood, isn't it great and convenient?"

Then every other character does jack shit and everything works out at the end, sorry wanko you deserve the worst because you actually tried.

You have to be a special kind of person to enjoy this shit

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>>161239468
>relieving
maybe if you hate wanko

>>161234962
Me

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>>161239949
Consider the following.

>>161240364
>lol its impossible if you aren't born being the best from the start, kiddo
Her goal was pretty much equivalent to becoming the (2nd) strongest person on earth.
To be the absolute best you will need more than sweating blood, because anyone can sweat blood if their willpower is strong enough. If you wanna get scientific and whatnot, it may sound very frustrating, but genes do have more impact than you may think of, even far down the road.
BUT like i said before such a thing is just too hard to accept emotionally for us the spectators, so if i was the writer i would have probably gone with a tragic injure as the reason for giving up her dream.
>Then every other character does jack shit and everything works out at the end, sorry wanko you deserve the worst because you actually tried.
You aren't making any sense. No other character had a goal like Wanko's. Momoyo wanted a rival, Miyako wanted Yamato's dick, Yukie wanted friends, Chris was just.. Chris.
You could say that "everything worked out" even though they didn't do "jackshit" because they didn't need anything to work out in the first place, they didn't have such big aspirations.
Exactly because Kazuko worked so hard is that her route was based on the drama of her failure.
>>161240551
Wanko is my second favorite behind Tsubame.
The route made me happy, sad, hopeful, extremely sad and then bittersweet.
Let me blog a bit. My mother wanted to be a singer, it was her dream all her life, and then she failed and ended up becoming a teacher. I can still see the occasional sadness in her eyes when she talks about it, but i definitely can't say her current life is her "pretending to be happy". Examples like that can be found anywhere, it's just a sad face of life that isn't usually portrayed in light hearted chinese cartoons.

>>161241388
>Her goal was pretty much equivalent to becoming the (2nd) strongest person on earth.

What? There's already 3-4 canon characters stronger than Momo, if not more. And we're talking about characters that already appeared, it's easy for the writers to pull up some even stronger enemies from remote locations.

She didn't have to become on par with her to give her an entertaining fight, and even if she couldn't reach her absolute dream of being Momo's one true rival, she could've still become hella strong in the process. When you shoot a bow, you should always aim a bit higher than where you want to hit.

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>>161241388
My problem with the route is that they didn't convince me enough that she wasn't fit for the role.
If her being a talentless person can get to that kind of power while still being so young, then imagine where she would be if she trained everyday until she is 35-45 years old, which is the age Li mentioned to be the normal age for people being accepted as assistant masters. That is 2 decades of training at minimum, and she did a significant powerup + new technique in just a week training at the mountain when she prepared for Momoyo's test.
It just... doesn't make any sense at all from the reader's point of view. Though I never expect her achieving becoming Momo's equal, but I'm sure the assistant master position was very well a possibility.

I'm still convinced this isn't supposed to actually happen outside her route and was used just for an excuse for plot, because I can't make sense out of it.

>>161241894
>There's already 3-4 canon characters stronger than Momo
Only Hume, Tesshin and Seiso come to mind (tsubame only beat her because technology). And if i remember correctly she was eventually implied to be stronger than Hume and Tesshin.
>she could've still become hella strong in the process
They say this again and again during her route. It's not that she doesn't have talent. She's very strong compared to a normal person and could become a decently accomplished martial artist/sportswoman.
BUT it wasn't enough for becoming an assistant master, the hurdle she picked was just too damn high.
Though as the other anon pointed out the way it was handled wasn't convincing enough so it felt more like "welp she just can't because reasons".
>>161242033
>they didn't convince me enough that she wasn't fit for the role
Indeed, that was a fault of the writers. They should have showed the gap between her and others better than through silly plum picking contests. Maybe some flashbacks to her watching everyone progress faster with relative ease as she just barely managed to keep up by vomiting blood and stuff like that would have made it more convincing.

>>161242033
>I'm still convinced this isn't supposed to actually happen outside her route and was used just for an excuse for plot, because I can't make sense out of it.
I haven't read any of the sequels/spin-offs yet, but on the original at least every other route epilogue has a reference to how Wanko had to abandon her dream. They don't say it out loud cause that would spoil her route, but in all of them Yamato goes "Wanko supports Momoyo at the temple. Lots have happened since then, but the sisters are ever close"

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>>161243005
>Maybe some flashbacks to her watching everyone progress faster with relative ease as she just barely managed to keep up
If they showed Wanko not making such big progress in such short periods of time, maybe it would have made a biiit more sense, but really, the premise is flawed from the start. Knowing that she still has multiple decades worth of time, at this pace its just impossible for her to not be OP if she keeps up.

>>161243226
But that's just wrong. I'd have to check in every single route, but I can recall most of the After Stories, even in the nukige continuations in S, Wanko is still training everyday.

>>161240842
this is a good one.

>>161239468
If she was injured, it would remove the true message of the route that tells you that if you work hard, even if you don't succeed, you'll still benefit from the experience. If she was injured, then she couldn't do that.

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>>161243226
Well I just checked. She literally only gets fucked in her own route.

>>161243770
>it would remove the true message of the route that tells you that if you work hard, even if you don't succeed, you'll still benefit from the experience

That wasn't the message though. It might have been if she kept training despite never reaching Momoyo's level.
The message was that it's not the end of the world if you change your life-dream, and there's more than one way to reach happiness. Not everyone is meant for everything.

>>161243478
>I can recall most of the After Stories, even in the nukige continuations in S, Wanko is still training everyday.
I remember that Momoyo does say that she would like to wait another year (ie until after she finishes highschool) before telling her to give up, but in her route she decides tell her right away. As far as i remember the afterstories are still within the remaining year of highschool.

>>161243948
Maybe in a year we don't get Chris to miraculously survive because of a fucking luck charm

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>wanko has been training since she was little
>"no talent, give up"
>yamato picks up ninja training a lot later in life
>becomes master in a couple of years

Sucks to be her.

>>161242033
They actually do a very convincing job at showing how weak Kazuko is. Among the 5 original heroines, Kazuko is definitely the weakest. Miyako is shown in her route to be stronger than Kazuko, and Kazuko consistently loses to Chris. Kazuko usually never wins, and considering how aside from her route, there are many girls her age who are way stronger than her, she's overall pretty low on the Majikoi power rankings. She pretty strong, but considering how everybody else worked a lot less for a lot less long, Kazuko is very lacking in talent.

>>161243854
>>161243478
>But that's just wrong. I'd have to check in every single route, but I can recall most of the After Stories, even in the nukige continuations in S, Wanko is still training everyday.
Just went to check on Miyako's route, it's on the seven years later epilogue at the end of the main route, not the after stories

>>161244269
This, frankly.
The only thing we see Wanko consistently beat others at is speed, and even with that she tends to lose a lot.

>>161244198
To be fair, Yamato has a crazy strong mom, and Claudio saw that he had talent in using strings, so he had more direction towards pursuing his talents from the beginning.

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The biggest tragedy is how cuckholdry runs so deep in the blood of the Matsunaga household.

>>161244269
I know, that wasn't my point though

>>161244278
>wanted to check
>my save file is erased for some reason
amazing, now I have to speed through it

>>161244269
Their group is far from ordinary strength-wise, being the weakest in it is no shame. (And she's still stronger than any of the guys in the group) Momo is considered on par with a nuclear weapon danger-wise, Mayucchi is the next sword saint who could keep Momo and "the strongest being" Seiso at bay for some time. Those two's pedigrees are really high.
Miyako is one of the five heavenly archers so she's nothing to be laughed at either, and Chris has been a soldier in training ever since she was little.

However Chris is better suited as a general/commander than a fighter, and Miyako is mostly a ranged-type , I could definitely see Wanko catching up and even surpassing both of them in a couple of years as long as she applies herself. Her problem is that despite all her energy, she has no idea how to use it or channel it effectively. Carrying tires around from school to home won't make her a better fighter, it'll just make her better at carrying tires. There's much better methods of training your body, Wanko's just a dumbass who can't figure them out. She's also far too emotional in battles, letting her anger get the best of her and charging in blindly. Those issues however are never addressed, instead her reasons for losing are always pushed on this ambiguous and magical thing called "lack of talent" which no one can apparently decipher.

>>161244811
Miyako may be one of the heavenly archers, but when you have somebody who is focused solely on long range combat still be better than you in a one on one close combat fight, then it is pretty pathetic. She also loses really easy to both Chris and Miyako in most cases.

Wanko can certainly surpass them in a few years, but neither of them are even close to being capable of becoming an assistant master. Passing Chris and Miyako being something that can take years to do shows how untalented she really is. As for her training methods, I'd say it's more that we're shown too little of her training in the actual temple. She probably does practice her martial arts, but when she's outside, she would rather train other things, since getting more by doing things like increasing her speed and overall strength will help her with her martial arts.

>>161239949
All girls are best girls, except Tsubame, she is a cunt.

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>>161245442
A lovable cunt tho

>>161245295
>but when you have somebody who is focused solely on long range combat
She didn't train solely on ranged combat though. And it's not pathetic at all, because Miyako with Yamato's semen could even beat Chris in melee, who is also supposed to be a close range fighter.
>but neither of them are even close to being capable of becoming an assistant master.
At that age? No, of course not. In 30 years? I'd say very possible, so long as that's what either of them desired.
> she would rather train other things
Yes, and I'm saying carrying tires is a shitty method of training that uses far too much time for the little progress it brings. There's other better methods for training strength or speed outside of the martial art training they do at the temple. But these what if's are moot anyway since the setting has little girls lifting cars solely thanks to their "ancient DNA". Of course if the word of god demands it, Wanko will even lose to Moro in a fight, but that doesn't mean the readers will be happy with it.

>>161245565
I still can't get over how Yamato becomes a huge beta faggot in her route and accept to be treated pretty much like a pet. We are talking about a man who tamed Momoyo, Seiso and turned Margit into his bitch.

>>161245780
Yeah that route is completely out of character for him, but they wanted to play on the S and M routes gimmick. Are her after-stories the same? With S and M paths?

reminder that benkei is the best

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>>161246041
Good try, but not quite.

>>161245825
Yes, and it's the worst route in A-3, possibly the worst in all the A series. At least the maids save A-3 from being complete shit.

>>161232390
You have to realize that when you want to be at the very top you will be competing with people that are not only among the top 1% or even 0.1% of the strongest/smartest/most talented, but also put in a ton of work themselves, and since everyone has a finite amount of time in a week there's only so much you can make up for by training more.

>>161246041
All girls are best. That's the whole point of the series.

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>>161245442
Nope there isn't a single bad girl in Majjikoi

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>>161246041
You are a man of fine taste. And don't like to use this word a lot, but Benkei route was so comfy.

>>161228276
NO TALENT
O

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T

>>161246304
A-3 never

>>161246364
>>161246383
>Momoyo
>Chris
>Ami
>Monshiro
There, proved you wrong you faggots.

>>161228276
>something breaks.

It was my heart ;_;

>>161246438
>Mon bad

kill yourself

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>>161228276
Story of my life desu

>>161239949
>Where's Gen-san on that list?

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>>161246438
>monshiro
Neck yourself holy shit

>>161246438
>Monshiro
You fucking piece of shit you take that back

>>161235484
Only for it to turn out that MC is connected to a special bloodline or given special powers.

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>>161246494
I know that feeling *hug*. That arc seemed pretty brutal.

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>>161234590
>ends up wanting it
No, that's exactly what rape is, anon. That kind of attitude will land you in jail, real life isn't like your VNs.

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>the reason why the main girl is always happy is because her parents are terrible people and her home life is awful
>she's happy to be anywhere else
>parents sell her into prostitution at the end

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>>161247525
>tfw my peepee got hard at that spoiler
Where did the innocent vanilla fag from a couple of years before go?

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>tfw literally cannot make myself able to enjoy the sequels because it's uncertain if after all these stories wanko will have to go through this regardless or she will reach her goal
Why does my favorite girl always get the worst treatment

I won't play the A series until one of the sequels addresses her future and she doesn't lose again

Her route was such utter fucking garbage. Thematically it conflicts with the rest of the game. We keep being told with the examples of Lu sensei or whatever the fuck his name was and that old man who trained Momoyo that hard work overcomes talent. It's a theme repeated multiple times in multiple routes. Then we get to Wanko's route and suddenly because she isn't talented she shouldn't even bother. What kind of an awful theme is that to begin with? Is that seriously the message you want to send to your readers, that if they don't have natural talent they should just give up?

>>161248095
dude but she became a nutritionist is fine xd

Talent > Hard work

>>161248095
The faggots defending the route trying to paint it as artistic masterpiece of life lesson are hilarious.

In the first place hard work ALWAYS shits on talent on reality, the actual factor that matters the most is just luck, being at the right place at the right time.

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>>161248208
>Talent + Hard Work > Talent > Hard work

Also why is everyone crying over this?

Rock Lee had it like 100x worse.

They even had him do bogus ninja surgery with 51% success rate when nigga naruto/oro/saucegay can get torn in half, heart punched out, revive from death, etc and be fine.

In the span of 3 years? The medical technologies advance to the point where losing limbs are not an issue to due that tree dude's stem cells.

>>161248200
I think this is part of what pissed me off about it too. If she had compromised in some more reasonable fashion, for example let's say she gives up on being the 2nd at the dojo and accepts aiming for a lower rank at her dojo, I'd be fine with that. Like if the message was, you can't get exactly what you want, but if you work hard you can get something pretty good. But to end up as a fucking nutritionist? Are you fucking with me? She would probably have a happier life as a construction worker.

>>161248474
Kill yourself, faggot

>>161248474
Who the fuck is defending Naruto? That's actually part of the reason I hate battle shounen, that the important characters all have inherent super powers that make them better than everyone else for no reason.

>>161248474
>Rock Lee had it like 100x worse.
LMAO not even slightly close.

>>161248504
>She would probably have a happier life as a construction worker.
She would even be happier not ever achieving anything and just training forever in the mountains. Knowing Wanko she wouldn't even feel discouraged if she was 60 and still trying.

Literally the only thing that broke her is everyone that she respected telling her that she's too shit to even try.

This VN is stupid as shit, I like most of it but things like these just make me unable to enjoy it.

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>>161246322
there's a growing body of research showing that talent is over represented in the success of the top class of whatever field. There's that quip about the majority of NHL players being born earlier in the year because they have that many more months of training before their age cut off.
Think sentiment is moving towards training time if the best predictor of success. this including whether the kid wants trains in their free time, quick commute to facilities, access to mentorship, etc. some of which does just boil down to the luck of the situation you're born into.

>>161248811
>This VN is stupid as shit, I like most of it but things like these just make me unable to enjoy it.
You just need to mentally separate the shit parts and pretend they didn't happen, specifically Miyako and Wankos routes. This game was so weirdly inconsistent. It's like

Wanko/Miyako routes: complete shit
Chris/Yukie routes: solid
Momoyo/Agave routes: Awesome

I've never read something that was so inconsistent. It's pretty obvious how they distributed their time when making it.

>>161249291
Miyako's route is special. It's like they were testing how much the reader could resist following such a worst fucking girl until they close the game. She really needs to fuck off.

>It's pretty obvious how they distributed their time when making it.
I'm sure they spent a lot of time thinking about Wanko's route, since they did accomplish making the break down scene extremely powerful.
It's a shame that they threw everything away because they are really fixated on not letting Wanko have anything else except a dumb bittersweet ending that makes absolutely no sense, even though they can have the same amount of drama without this dumbshit.

They can keep everything intact until after the crying scene and retcon the follow up. It will never ever happen though

>>161249565
Miyako was my favorite character and I actually dropped her route because it was so bad. When all of the friends started fighting for no good reason because the route needed drama I nope'd the fuck out of there.

Anyway, what I basically mean is that you look at Miyako/Wanko's routes and it feels really "forced" to me. It feels like they couldn't come up with a good way to make a serious story out of the happy go lucky Miyako/Wanko so they just forced some drama to make something happen. It's weird but Agave felt more like a real Miyako route to me because she acts much more in character and gets some great scenes.

Did anyone else notice that the routes that end with "Kazuko: a lot of things happened and she's helping onee-san at the temple" in the endings also had hints of people telling her that she's weak, but in the routes that didn't hint to it didn't have anything?

Actually I don't remember if Momoyo's route had any hint. But her ending didn't have the "a lot of things happened".

>>161249001
>born earlier in the year because they have that many more months of training before their age cut off.
I think that's reaching a bit too much. The explanation I've seen and find much more credible is that kids that are born earlier in the year are older than their peers, which makes them physically stronger compared to others, more likely to do well from an early age and therefore more likely to pursue that career.
If a difference of few months was that significant the differences between players just few years apart would be even more massive.

Sure training is very important, every professional must trains a ton, but there's a limit to how much you can train in a week before it becomes counter-productive and in the end out of all the people that work really hard the ones that have the most natural talent will come out on top.
The stuff about commute time and mentorship is important, but it's not something you can overcome with willpower either.

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Yoshitsune is so cute.

>>161249291

I think it was trying different things, some things ended up good and some not so good.

>>161250056

Outside of joke stuff like yonpachi turning gay I don't think there was any major difference in each characters lives, I dount she achieved the dream.

>>161228276
That's the thing, though. She's the ONLY one regularly seen training, and yet she's only at around Chris's level. The signs were all there from the start. She works her ass off, works harder than literally everyone, and yet she's consistently shown be one of the weakest in the group.

I mean, when do you see Miyako train? Ever? And yet, even though melee combat isn't her specialty, she's still better than Wanko.

Fact is Wanko will never be manipulate ki, which is like the basest, most fundamental thing you need in order to be an Assistant Master at Kawakami Dojo.

>>161245697
Its great how Yamato's semen has to be considered an actual factor in Miyako's fighting

>>161246438
Just end your own life please

>>161247525
>Tfw getting Kira's route and true route made me drop this
I don't regret it in the slightest

>>161252360
It's a fucking shonen, dude. They can come up with 8500 trillions ways to make her achieve it or even realistically come out with some explanation about why she might have a change in the future.

As I said before, the whole thing up to the break down scene was fucking great. The resolution though is just stupid and doesn't fit Majikoi at all.

>>161251699
>The explanation I've seen and find much more credible is that kids that are born earlier in the year are older than their peers, which makes them physically stronger compared to others
That's definitely a part of it. The point I was trying to make is that kids are singled out because of circumstance rather than talent.

I'm skeptical whether "talent" is even a thing. How do you separate innate ability from environmental factors such as upbringing and wealth? It's an easy story to tell yourself when everybody has an experience of a classmate doing better than them but does having parents who pay for a personal tutor count as talent? or is it talent when someone loves a sport so much he spends all his free time thinking about it versus someone who only plays at practice?

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>>161252737
>she might have a change in the future.
I mean chance, not change

>>161252737
Well, even then, she'd still be second rate. There are multiple characters who are around her age who are all much stronger than her. I mean, it's not like she'd ever catch up to Mayucchi or Tsubame. Even Miyako already has her own unique title and status.

>>161252862
She has more than 2 decades worth of time to train, having had a big powerup in a single week training in the mountains. If she keeps training like she was doing there, it would be bullshit to not even get at Mayucchi's level in 20+ years. The powerlevels wouldn't add up.

>>161252830
these pics unironically hurt

>>161240364
This post actually gave me a boner, Im gonna download this VN

>>161252804

Talent exists, talent at a sport can be anything from high natural reaction times to their ability to understand and do better at the sport, in the end it won't get you places alone but it will be the difference that makes you stand out from the rest.
Talent in majikoi however leads to people like Tatsuko who does nothing but sleep all day going toe to toe with Momoyo.

>>161253011
Yeah, but given that same amount of time, Mayucchi would progress even further. And don't forget, even at the age of definitely over 18 and the same age as Wanko, Mayucchi's already strong enough to defeat Shakadou. In terms of sheer talent, she wins by leaps and bounds.

But let's put Mayucchi aside for a sec. Wanko's goal is to become Assistant Master of Kawakami Temple. In order to accomplish this, she has to be better-suited for the role than every other potential candidate. Mind you, we don't actually know what ANYONE in that temple's capable of because, other than the five named characters associated with it, none of them even have so much as character portraits. But, at the very least, based on what we've seen of Yu, the bare minimum requirement is that you need to be able to sense ki.

>>161253275
>And don't forget, even at the age of definitely over 18 and the same age as Wanko, Mayucchi's already strong enough to defeat Shakadou.
That's the whole thing. Shakadou is an ex master assistant. If you surpass that level you are already qualified to be one at least in terms of power/skill.

If in 20 years Wanko can get as good as Mayucchi was when she was 18, then it doesn't matter if Mayucchi is currently better, Wanko would still be fit for the assistant role.

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>>161246438
>Momoyo
Kindly fuck >>>/out/

>>161253387
I like Momoyo but her route had her acting like a cunt

>>161253374
Well, that's assuming there's not someone better. One of the more subtle themes of Majikoi is that the current generation is quickly surpassing the previous. The worst part, for Wanko anyway, is that pretty much every game introduces at least one new character who's much stronger than Wanko while still pretty young.

>>161253517
what
how

>>161253535
Asking Yamato to do almost imposible stuff for her if she wants to date him even though she was alwas attracted to him

>>161253534
>The worst part, for Wanko anyway, is that pretty much every game introduces at least one new character who's much stronger than Wanko while still pretty young.
Such a disadvantaged underdog situations actually give me boners. This only makes me more angry and sad that Wanko isn't trying anymore in her route.

Ahhh I really want Majikoi to make a sequel with all the original girls again.

>>161253583
She's literally monster that can fly in space and shoot planet busting lasers of fire.
I would be as picky as her if I was that powerful, man. She can pick literally any person in the world to be her partner, at least don't get fucking mad when you have to match her standards when you are trying to get into the pants of the literal god of battle

>>161253601
Even in the disadvantaged underdog department, she's still inferior to Takae. She's even wearing Wanko's old clothes.

Mind you, in terms of combat ability, she's still much stronger, though.

>>161228276
>genki girl
>treated like shit
WHEN WILL IT END, MAKE IT STOP

>>161253673
He has the advantage of being her childhood friend though

WANKO RULES
CHRIS DROOLS

>>161253778
Yeah, and she didn't even told you that it was impossible. She just told him to better himself, man up and ask more passionately next time.

>>161253157
I agree it is a thing to some degree, just that it's overstated in how much of a difference it makes. I'd bet that at least half of the time, luck is what puts kids on the high school team, or advanced class, and that extra attention propels them faster than their peers. repeat until you get to the world stage and then the difference in results is a fraction of a percent, and I'm not sure if I'd call that talent either.

also for arguments sake, if you're going to count reaction time as talent, does height make you more talented at basketball?

>>161253902
What about unobtainable differences like say Michael Phelps abnormally large chest that gives him an advantage over most people due to him being better able to displace water for speed?

>>161253902

You could probably say it is to a degree, talent is a natural disposition towards whatever it is you're trying to do. In other words you are more suited to it than others from simply how you are.

>>161253902
Humans aren't that standardized. There can easily be large differences in terms of innate ability between two people. Even if two people had identical upbringing and treatment, with noticeably similar interests in the same thing, that doesn't guarantee that they'll have the same degree of success.

Of course, talent isn't necessarily everything, but the world is still just unfair enough that someone who spends their entire life wholeheartedly studying can still lose compared to a gifted person who just happens to have a greater capacity for seeing patterns and understanding concepts.

Man I haven't read Wanko's route yet and now I know it'll hurt.

>>161254264
You can read it and join us in complaining about how fucking bullshit it is, or skip it enterely and live in ignorance without feeling like crying everytime you see a picture of wanko

I actually wish I never read it.

>>161254344
Funny enough I didn't realize Wanko was in the OP till I read the posts, I couldn't imagine her crying like that, but I'm still gonna read it and I know it's gonna hurt because I like Wanko a ton.

>>161253902
You're underestimating how incredibly vital reaction speed is in physical activities. Height is a definite advantage in basketball, don't get me wrong, but being able to react to something even a second faster can make all the difference in the world.

But in Majikoi, things are even more pronounced. A second can make or break a lot of athletes in the real world, but in Majikoi you have characters who can practically teleport. I mean, fuck, Momoyo can create miniature black holes.

>>161254243
>but the world is still just unfair enough that someone who spends their entire life wholeheartedly studying can still lose compared to a gifted person who just happens to have a greater capacity for seeing patterns and understanding concepts.
Yeah, you see this in fiction a lot, and it may seem that way when your hard work if very visible to you but other people's hard work isn't. But I really doubt this happens in real life past some extreme cases with some autistic savants.

>>161254398
Stay strong brother

>>161253778
A childhood friend who made a promise to her and then forgot it. She was nice enough to wait for him to man up and remeber it instead of just dumping him.

>>161254438
Basically, effort works better for some than it does for others. You're free to believe whatever you want, but the world really isn't that convenient. There's signficant evidence, for instance, that black people in general have greater capacity for athletics than whites.

There's also the issue of your interests not necessarily aligning with your talents. Many people never actually end up discovering their true talents so they end up believe that they're inferior.

>>161254403
I wish Majikoi was a flat out shonen.
>you will get to see wanko coming out super strong from the time chamber and fighting momoyo's real sized black holes in space

>>161228276
Who taught Wanko to fight anyway? No one in the temple uses weapons.

>>161228276
Picked up to be honest lad

>>161254243
You're actually wrong. All the recent research points towards genes having very little impact on talent. Beyond extreme outliers like people born with genetic disabilities most people are born with relatively the same basic potential.

Recent research has strongly indicated towards environment and upbringing having an enormous impact, primarily due to these factors actually causing subtle genetic alterations through previously unknown interactions between a person's environment and situation and their genes.

TL:DR, the genes you are born with have been found to have very little impact on your overall potential, rather your environment actually alters your genes through an adaptive process that shapes your potential.

Granted, much of this 'shaping' occurs in the first 5-10 years of life when the brain and body are at their most malleable. Though this mostly applies to intelligence, physical potential tends to mostly remain similar between individuals for their whole lives.

>>161254612
Lu, probably. I believe people also been saying that it was hinted that Wanko has been trained poorly on purpose since they never saw any hope on her becoming relevant.

>Amane's Angelic Howl
They are all ghouls

>>161254658
Hinted in Sayaka's route by her dad, he complains about it at some point.

>>161254584
>that black people in general have greater capacity for athletics than whites.
I remember that being debunked. but if you can cite a credible study I'll skim through it.
The last I read up on the topic there was an interesting theory that you see more black people in sports because they have fewer opportunities elsewhere. at least in the US.

>Many people never actually end up discovering their true talents so they end up believe that they're inferior.
This just sounds like a myth, because it sounds unreasonable to try to prove and again, the idea that everyone has a hidden talent is something out of anime and movies.

>>161254264
It is a good pain though

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>>161238585
GETA GETA

>>161252360
Miyako got them Shiina genes though.

>>161255021
It's good pain that you know will be satisfying when she overcomes it, until you realize nothing actually will go right

>>161255042
Yeah, them slutty, bitch Shiina genes.

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>>161239949
Where is Mon-sama and Haou.
And where the hell is Stacy you motherFACKER

>>161255125
Not her fault her mom was a slut.

>>161234019
That's the power of best girl Miyako

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>>161255067
No, it's just a good pain regardless

>>161254403
Well I was assuming reaction time is something that can't be trained. I actually have no idea if it can.
I do know enough about martial arts that reaction time isn't measured in milliseconds, but how quickly you can recognize a movement, predict it's outcome, and react appropriately. which can be trained.
I remember seeing a MMA clip where one guy goes for a waist grapple after a specific kick two times in a row. the third time that kick was met with an immediate knee to the face.

>>161255284
No it isn't

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>>161252830
>>161253102
>When you scroll through the thread of a difficult route and you see these edits that twist the knife in the wound.

>>161255355
it's incredible how after like an entire year its still too soon for me to laugh it off, I just can't get over it
i fucking love wanko

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How strong Yamato gets in Azumi's route is a bit of a testament to hard work don't you think?
Wanko will never get Momoyo level, but she can be fucking tough in this world if she spends years training.
She should travel the world and gain more experiences.
I wouldn't fault her for becoming a dietician and following her food passion in any other story, but because it's Majikoi it's simply uninteresting. A boring direction to send a fighting character.

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I wonder why nobody, not even wanko, even considered for a single bit the possiblity of just dedicating to martial arts but without the goal of master assistant.

What the fuck lmao
I swear nothing makes sense in this thing

>>161255395
Her route really clicked with me and her struggle made her failure all too real for me. Man, I cried like a fucking baby but I think that just shows how well written the entire thing was.

>>161255527
Not to mention, she ended up choosing the thing she's worst for, studying.

>>161255527
Well that was actually the idea. No one told her to give up on her training. They just told her that becoming assistant master was a pipe dream for her.

The thing with Wanko was that it wasn't specifically being a great martial artist that she was after, but becoming Momoyo's assistant. That was her one and only dream. And then she was told that it will never happen.

>>161255606
It's still weird that it wasn't even mentioned, they could have just considered it and turned off the idea at least. I mean, it's the obvious answer in 99% of these cases.

>>161255606
im pretty sure her dream was "shining like onee-san"

>>161255754
Yeah, but that's not what she was after. What she was after was specifically that assistant master title. It was her dream. It was what she was working so hard for all this time. It wasn't martial arts specifically that she loved, although she did enjoy it. It was the idea of being Momoyo's assistant.

It's the equivalent of telling someone whose lifelong goal was to be an astronaut, to go into space, who worked their whole lives towards that one specific destination, was then told "Sorry, you're not cut out for this. But hey, you can test out astronaut equipment in simulated environments for us. That's okay too, right?"

>>161255793
Nope. Pretty much the most common line from her other than dog noises was wanting to become assistant master.

>>161255909
I really don't think that's a good comparison but I do get what you mean. I wasn't saying the opposite anyway.

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>>161256043
DATABASE

its funny how you can tell a lot about a person depending on how they react to this route

im not even memeing

>>161256131
What can you tell?

Chris and Momoyo have the best routes.

>>161256244
for example if they are melancholic or hotblooded people, if they are edgy, depressive, etc
i had ton of friends do this route, their reactions matched their personality so well, regardless of if they liked wanko as a character or not

thats how you can tell that it was well written, even though i personally hate it and find it pretty bullshit

>>161238210
Hes a femdom fag and got disappointed when he wasnt getting his dick stepped on despite it being clear to anyone with basic reading comprehension she isnt like that.

I dropped this when Miyako's route was eternally stuck at 8% but I guess I'll pick it up again.

>>161244198
Wait, what? I thought the other games were just like the first but with different routes, youre telling me shit happens?

Also whats the play order again?

Wanko wasn't naturally gifted like everyone else. But she had something nobody else did: unmatched perseverance.

>>161256923
Nah. Wanko gave up after being told she had no chance.

Miyako never gave up, even after Yamato found another girl.

>>161256923
That's how it should be, it's her whole point as a character, but then her sister tells her she's shit and she gives up. Fucking inconsistent route.

>>161256718
Just to warn you in advance, Miyako's route sucks dick. Agave is great though, has the best H-scene in the game and it's overall a very satisfying conclusion.

>>161254650
>falling for the epigenetics meme

This is how blank-slaters rationalize being BTFO.

>>161257034
Yeah. I guess she should just keep trying until the day she dies.

>>161257132
Why not? It's better than being a nutritionist at least.

>>161257132
Quitters never win and winners never quit

>>161257164
Is it really? She'd get ground down by her inadequacy eventually. When she's in her 50s and still hasn't achieved her goal, by that point, I think she'd probably start wondering what she's even living for, accomplishing nothing.

>>161257204
You're right. If I work hard enough, I'd even be able to defeat Kawakami Momoyo eventually.

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I loved Majikoi but wasn't a big fan of S. I wasn't interested in the new characters and was disappointed in the lack of screentime of the original characters. Should i even bother giving A a chance?

>>161257265
Maybe it's your way to cave into destiny but it's not mine. If you think it's futile to fight then don't, just stand there and take it.

>>161255502
I can't get enough of these two as butler/maid, i love any route with the Kuki.

Talent does exist, however, you can be the most talented person in the world at X, but if you live in a third world shithole where you have to do back-breaking labor just to survive the next day your talent will go to shit because you will never have the means or time to develop it.

It makes me wonder how many people through history could become masters of some art or sport or whatever but were never able to do so just because they were unlucky enough to be born in a situation where they could exercise the thing they are talented. Maybe some kid born in Africa would have been a master of skiiing, maybe some kind born in a ghetto could have been a master of car racing and so on. And even if they had the means to practice anything they wanted, perhaps they will NEVER find the thing they are good at simply because they didn't manage to find out what it was and try it.

>>161234801
>that face

she looks one of those japanese salarymen that end up in suicide forest

>>161257132
That's what I would certainly do if I were to live in the Majikoi universe. I would definitely keep training even if it amounts to nothing. That's fucking COOL, man.

>>161257367
There's a difference between being persistent and being stupid. Wanko's goal is the equivalent of trying to swim all the way from Europe to America.

Whatever you may think, we as humans tend to choose goals that are at least plausible for us. Whether it's climbing Mt. Everest or going to space, it's all still possible for us given the right circumstances. It's not as if astrophysicists are going "If we try hard enough, we can definitely reach Pluto by the end of the year!" when we haven't even managed to send a manned shuttle past the moon yet.

Pursuing a goal that's clearly beyond your ability is impractical at best and madness at worst and I doubt even you'd do this. Whatever goals you've set for yourself throughout your life, I'm sure it was under the understanding that there's at least some possibility for you to accomplish it.

It's different for Wanko, though. She's a normal person whose older sister can shoot beams and have space battles. What's she's trying to do is like completely normal human beings like you or me trying to compete in the Tenkaichi Budoukai.

>>161257889
>What's she's trying to do is like completely normal human beings like you or me trying to compete in the Tenkaichi Budoukai.

You are telling me you wouldn't train for the tenkaichi budokai if it existed?

You can't even be called a man.

>>161257889
>It's different for Wanko, though. She's a normal person whose older sister can shoot beams and have space battles. What's she's trying to do is like completely normal human beings like you or me trying to compete in the Tenkaichi Budoukai.
Wouldn't you be frustrated at being the only normal person among dozens of special snowflakes? You will end up becoming envious and doing anything to become the same as them sooner or later. It would be impossible to not develop a massive inferiority complex in such a situation.

>>161257984
>not being excited for being the underdog and winning
This is my fetish

>>161257954
And training in Dragon Ball super simple too. Even at God-level, while training with Whis, it's the same shit they did while they were training with Roshi: Do normal lifting except with even HEAVIER stuff.

Things start to get iffy and unequal only when base-multipliers such as Super Saiyan and Golden Frieza come into play and even then there's Kaio-ken that anyone could learn too.

Where the fuck can I even download these now that nyaa is dead?

>>161258046
The underdog is a meme. 99.9% of the time the underdog will never win because if it had an actual chance to win it wouldn't be the underdog anymore. A real "underdog" is nothing but a loser trying to fight the inevitable.

>>161258088
>99.9% of the time the underdog will never win because if it had an actual chance to win it wouldn't be the underdog anymore.
Yes that's the whole point, that's what makes it so exciting. An underdog actually rising and competing on almost equal footing with the truly gifted

I can't understand people who aren't fascinated by this

>>161257984
Perhaps. I suppose what she could do is compromise and do what Tsubame did, using a powered armor to fight. But I don't think that's what she'd want.

Generally, when humans can't accomplish something, we compromise and find an alternative route. For instance, we can't fly with our own power. That's why airplanes exist. Wanko's basically trying to fly without any tools or vehicular assistance. It must be very vexing though, considering she's living under the same roof with someone who can pretty much do just that.

>>161258059
My argument was that if you or me, as we are, bound by the rules of our world, tried to fight the likes of Krillin or even Taopaipai. Effectively, the rules governing Momoyo may as well be completely different from the rules governing Wanko. She can't even sense ki.

>>161258140
>>I can't understand people who aren't fascinated by this
It's been extremely overdone so it's predictable and boring. It happening it one time is interesting, it happening 100 times is the norm.

>>161258190
Except it never fucking happens, though? It's always asspulls and not actual underdog upsets.

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>>161258190
>>161258143
>>161257889
Man, you are sad. Now I understand what kind of people actually like Wanko's route.
I hope I never become as jaded and soulless as you.

>>161258304
Alright, dude. Go fly over the pacific ocean without any sort of aircraft or apparatus. You'll do it eventually.

"Nothing is impossible for him who will try"

-Alexander the Great

>>161258363
I'd sure as hell try if I lived in the majikoiverse

>>161258445
Beas River.

>>161258363
It's not about being able to do it or not. It's about keep trying to do it until the end even though you know it's impossible.

>>161228276
sounds like my life, thanks for the reminder

>>161258559
And how many times have you done that? Are you doing that now? Are you reaching towards a goal you know is impossible?

>>161258650
Yeah, actually. It might actually be near impossible but I'm working for it.

>>161258686
If it's "near" impossible, then it's still possible.

>>161258725
I call it near impossible because some people are blessed or are lucky enough to do it, but I know it's impossible for me.

>>161244269
I thought Miyako only beat wanko when she had the semen powerup. It's been too long since I read it, though.

>>161258770
If luck is a factor then it's still possible for you.

Luck can't really help Wanko.

>Izumi route
god it was so infuriating but holy it had a sweet splendor in it when you get near the end of the route.

>>161258304
Attempting the (near) impossible in the face of it is such a futile and luck-based endeavour
Why would you subject yourself to this suffering willingly?

>>161258851
Wanko was also tired from her training, and the actual fight between them both actually finished with a throw from Wanko, then it became a threeway battle with Chris.

>>161258881
You are really, really dense aren't you? I've been trying to explain that being possible or not is not the point, the point is trying until you are unable to continue. Wanko still had decades worth of time.

>>161258956
Because not knowing how far I would get if I tried would feel worse than trying and failing.

>>161259008
You can't compare her situation to yours. Near-impossible is still possible.

The fact of the matter is if you actually believed something to be genuinely beyond your ability as a human being, you wouldn't really pursue it. You likely wouldn't even think to pursue it.

>>161259124
>You can't compare her situation to yours.
But I never did, you are the one who brought that up.

>>161259163
I did because you're basically spouting hypocrisy.

>>161259195
No, I'm not. You are literally just projecting. You don't know how I am.

>>161259219
I don't really care how you are. If you've never actually attempted something that's genuinely, 100% impossible, then you have no right to expect someone else to do the same.

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>>161228276
>huh, miyako and wanko are pretty cool
>I'll save their paths for last so I can be done with the heroine routes on a good note

I was a goddamn fool, should've looked up spoilers.

>>161259251
What if I did?

>>161259310
Then only you'd know for sure. If you actually made that claim, I'd have no means to argue and would have nothing more to say. If it's true, then that means you're sticking to your guns in terms of your philosophy. If it's a lie, then you're a hypocrite.

Either way, I can only argue against your words.

>>161253902
i've competed at a very high level in multiple sports and games...talent really separates the top from the best. some people are just inhuman and lucky. hard work only takes you so far. you'd understand if you pushed yourself to your absolute capacities. some people's capacities are just higher.

>>161249707
I'm actually fine w/ Miyako's route. It touches on the Family's relationship and I like the insights to her character. I also like that most of the family were able to find something for them to develop. The only thing I hate about it was that Yamato didn't really do jackshit.

>>161258427
Why didn't he try to stay alive then?

>>161228429

It's always weird in VNs when a character gets a better arc/better scenes/a happier ending in routes that aren't "their" route.

>>161259374
I did/do. But it makes me kinda mad that you say you need to have tried it to think like that.

If someone else doesn't have an impossible goal it should still be completely fine to have this philosophy.
I think it should be the norm, in fact. It would be a happier world.

>>161259446
Not much you can do about what disease he had without modern medicine.

>>161259508
He just needed to try, he said so himself.

>>161259416
I think it comes down to how much you like drama as a genre here. I fucking hate drama, because it's always so forced and based around misunderstandings and miscommunication. All of the problems in Miyako's route are 100% avoidable if they would just talk to each other. If a single person would have asked Miyako "why are you freaking the fuck out?" the entire plot is gone because there's no drama. Instead, everyone ignores Miyako's passive aggression until she explodes. Then when she does blow up, instead of anyone calmly deescalating and discussing her issues, everyone turns it up to 11 and they all start blowing the fuck up. Just when it all finally ends and you think everyone's gonna calm down and fix it, Yamato breaks up with Miyako. Thank god for Chris, because without her it could have been a fucking disaster.

But yeah, to sum it up I want conflicts in a story to actually make sense thematically and not be there because the author couldn't think of how to make a story otherwise.

>>161259490
That's your philosophy and belief. As for me, I don't chase after insane pipe dreams. If you don't care for that way of thinking, that's your business, but as far as I'm concerned, to reach for something that you actually, completely understand to be indisputably impossible is nothing short of madness.

And whatever you believe, the point is you don't have the right to demand something of someone what you haven't done yourself. And you sure as hell don't have the right to look down on them for it.

>>161259595
I think it's fine to look down on people who give up, even though in my case I would be justified by your reasoning.

But either way, leaving that subject behind, I don't think it can be called indisputably impossible in the case of Wanko. Even if her dream was to match her sister, you have to understand that her sister is also human, so it's by definition not "humanly impossible", but then again, that's not even her true goal.
Her real goal is becoming an assistant master, and this has been discussing in this thread already, that the story really did a fantastically poor job in trying to convince the reader that it was impossible for her.

>>161259297
I'm glad i played Miyako first.

>>161259251
The more I read this the dumber it sounds.
Do you really think people can't expect anything from others if they haven't done it themselves? One of the most ignorant shit I've ever read.

>>161259745
That's just your arrogance. Also, if you spend your whole life chasing after an impossible goal, in a sense, you're pretty much limiting your own possibilities. There are possible roads that you could follow that you might be happier on, but you'd never know about them if you just stick to one impossible thing. Hell, in this world, there are people who accomplish their goals and end up regretting them even then. Happiness, like most things in life, is fickle.

It's not in this route, but the story does tell us that there are basically two categories of warriors in series: those that can sense and utilize ki and those who can't. Someone with that talent is going to be inherently superior to someone who can't. And unfortunately, this skill is something you're born with. Wanko isn't among the category who can use ki. This is where her fundamental inadequacies lie. Ki can be used to strengthen one's body and senses, to the point where one can reach superhuman levels if honed. Not everyone shoots beams like Momoyo does, but they still use ki to sense things and strengthen their bodies. If Wanko can't do that from the start, then she can't really learn to do it either. It's like teaching a blind man to see.

>>161259885
You can, but if that person argues against you, then you don't really have any leg to stand on. All you can do is plead to their emotions.

This is an extreme example, but let's say that someone tells someone else to kill a man, despite never having taken a life before themselves. If the other person refuses, what right does the first person have to look down on them for it?

To put it another way, if you've never experienced suffering, telling someone else to suffer is pretty cruel and one-sided.

>>161259914
If Ki control was an absolutely requeriment Momo wouldn't even have offered Wank the "hit me once" test, let alone Lu encouraging her and tell her that she can do it, since he should know that better than anyone if that was true.

>>161259989
Momoyo never really expected Wanko to succeed at her goal to begin with. The test was meaningless from the start.

>>161260018
>let alone Lu encouraging her and tell her that she can do it, since he should know that better than anyone if that was true

>>161260033
He's an optimist, though even that had its limits. I guess he just wanted to believe, no matter how futile it was.

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>>161229411
YOU JINXED IT ALREADY
>>161240373

>>161260072
I was mostly referring to the ki control being a requeriment argument. They would have just told her that and be done with it, but it wasn't even mentioned at all in the entire route.

Not to mention that I'm pretty positive Chris can make Momo at least block one attack, which was the only thing needed, and Wanko was proven to be better and faster than Chris, who only won because of Margi's charm of plot armor.

Though I can't really prove that claim about Chris being able to past the test, so it's whatever.

I'm gonna go to sleep now anyway, peace

>>161228276
what's this game called again OP? help a lost peep

>>161254438
no, it happens all the time in the real world.
For some people, they don't NEED to try as hard, and their talents allow them to just get WAY MORE out of a week of practice than you will get with 6 months.

Example:
I can't play the guitar for shit. I practiced for a full year, and i still have fumble fingers. I spent 3 hours 5 days a week. I just didn't have the hands or the sense of rhythm, or ear for music required for it.

Mt brother, on the other hand, picked up guitar and was casually playing shit he heard on the radio within 2 months. It was so easy for him, and it used to frustrate the shit out of me because he had terrible taste in music, and no passion for it.

He literally did it to pick up girls and look cool in college. He stopped caring about it within 2 years.

I gave up, and learned piano instead, and compose electronically. It's much easier for someone who is tone dyslexic like me, and you don't need agile fingers to make music on one, since you make music in parts, and build it like an algorithm.

>>161254097
stop looking at other guys' chests faggot

>>161254650
then surely you have a twin study about it.

Never played this game, but if I have this right:

A bunch of people lead on one of the heroines into believing that she could achieve her dream, but then purposely crushed her heart in the cruelest way possible for no reason at all, all while it was hinted at that she was trained wrong on purpose and they knew this but still encouraged and set her up to fail.

That sounds awful, who would write something like that outside of the faggot that wrote WA2?

>>161260701

Bit wrong there, basically you're introduced a girl that trains harder than anyone everyday for her dream but in the end she doesn't really have what it takes and the route is basically breaking the news "No, you're not going to make it".

But fun news, the writer for this also wrote agk.

>>161260701
They have purposely trained her wrong as a joke.

>>161247205
real life is shit anyways

>>161260701

Yamcha kept up with his training and tried to keep pace with the other Z fighters and because he was their friend, they tried to encourage him but then Budokai happened and he got blown the fuck out by Goten and realized he could never reach that level.

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Japanese are obsessed about talent afterall.

>>161261138

He quit back in the android saga, if Goku and Vegeta can't deal with the bad guy he sure as shit isn't. Insteas he just took up the other thing he was good at and uses ki to throw Christopher Robin style pitches.

>>161261196

No I was explaining Wanko's route in DBZ equivalent.

>>161261196
He was making an analogy.
Either way I'm sure even humans in dragon ball don't have actual limits, they just get stronger slower.

>>161261251

Well shit my mistake.

>>161231625
She really loved her onee-sama and wanted to be her equal.

>>161238585
>>161255036
Same VA?

>>161261256
>Either way I'm sure even humans in dragon ball don't have actual limits, they just get stronger slower.
The real issue is that humans lack of a super form, that's what puts Saiyans over the top of the game. Between Zenkai and Super Saiyan and then Super Saiyan God how can you even compete?

>>161261379

Nah Humans were dumpster tier long before Super Sayians and other forms came in.

>>161261379

By being an android, so unless you're a half saiyan or modified by a madman scientist don't even bother.

>>161261379
Train for 100 years in time chamber, get Dragon Balls, become young again. Repeat.

Just get Bulma's help with the balls.

>>161261398
>Implying
Krillin was able to keep himself at Goku's level, not strong, but they were near equals. Tien was Goku's equal if not stronger when they first met. Same as Yajirobe.

Goku got a free power boost from Karin's water and then got training straight from Kami while everyone else was rotting in the surface. No shit he'll pull ahead when given more and better chances to train than everyone else.

>>161261532
Krillin got a huge boost from Guru too. But the reality check was that his hidden potential was still less than Gohan's.

And then there's Super Saiyans.

>>161261508
I think you'd go insane before that happened.

>>161247525
babby's first vn. Namely speaking mine. On a cracked ipod before I found out VN's existed.
Shit made me question what it all went wrong until I found out theres a true route

>>161261379
Humans tend to get stronger when angry in the series from what I recall which is where Gohan gets his rage boosts from. It's not much but it's something.

>>161261909
>Gohan
>Human

>>161261952
Gohan 1 is all human. Gohan 2 is half human and as such inherited human traits.

>>161261969
Grandpa Gohan was Roshi-tier at best.
And Saiyan half-breeds have always been OP for reasons.
If rage could make humans stronger just like that we'd have it seen happening a lot of times already. Rage power-ups are a definitive Saiyan trait.

>>161261994
You clearly haven't been keeping up with super. Roshi has apparently been super saiyan tier all along.
I was gonna say pure blooded saiyans generally don't get rage boosts outside of going super saiyan but Vegeta did manage to get on in the movie so that no longer applies.

>>161261687
That means you are shit on top of being human.

>>161262077
Dude even Goku's never trained for a hundred years straight with no human contact.

>>161262090
>not going there with your wife or husband or both

>>161262113
Only two people in the room at a time.
Also, there's a limit of about two years per person.

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The Wanko route still makes me mad to this day. But they made up for it with this one.
They took who I thought was worst girl, and actually made her route the one I cherish the most.

>>161234511
How is that supposed to be worse than any of the other routes?

>>161235119
A-4 first faggot I need my chinese samurai girl waifu, A-3 can just

>>161246438
>Chris
how does it feel having so much shit taste?

>>161255565
and she even suceeded at it, really gets the noggin joggin.

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I love Momoyo nee-san!

>>161228276
I'm gonna have to ask you for a sauce.

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>>161261359
Oh yeah. Thinking of her as robo-Erika was what made the route fun for me.

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>>161262459
Can just what?
The RACK n ROLL Stacy route needs to be translated first so you must wait.

>>161262270
SEVEN FUCKING YEARS

I missed talking about Majikoi.

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>>161262459

No need to fight we can all wait together, as it will all be never ever.

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>>161260194
>ShindoL will never make a Majikoi doujinshi

>>161252804
>It's an easy story to tell yourself when everybody has an experience of a classmate doing better than them but does having parents who pay for a personal tutor count as talent?
I have experience of myself being among the the best in my grade at maths, coming from a poor family with a single mother and two sisters, with no money for tutoring of any kind - not that I'd need it anyway, while being very lazy myself never studying outside of school, and never having to do homework because I was done with by the time class finished the solving all the regular problems for the lesson.
In the big national end of highschool test we have that is basis for university admission I scored in top 1.5% out of the people that took extended math despite never preparing for it other than just attending school, and I met many people way more intelligent than me when I went to the university.
Saying that talent doesn't matter feels to me like a spit in the face of all my classmates that I've seen put in way more work than ever did and were never able to get the grades I had. Same with my sisters that I even tutored myself.

>>161264293

>Not even the wait for the translation was as long

MAYUCCHI BUTT

Which game has the Chika route?

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>>161246041
fine taste

>>161228276
genki deserve to suffer. Also >>161228341 somewhat related.

Has anything new been translated recently?

Can someone give me a quick rundown on this scene?

>>161266773
local genki fucking DIES

>>161267208
Is there a gruesome CG to go with it?

>>161255304
That was yoel Romero Vs Chris Weidman. A good example of talent. Chris trained his ass off but could never reach the level of Yoel who won an Olympic medal in wrestling.