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>They've only just released the 2nd part for LWA.

Shut up, you're two million in debts and Disney left you

Netflix will be dead soon. They have too much debt, their catalogue is going down fast, and their originals suck.

>>161199461
They need to save themselves from billions of dollars of debt, first.

>BS Radio's Tama Musubi program recently conducted an interview with writer and film critic Tomohiro Machiyama (script writer for live-action Attack on Titan films). Machiyama discussed Netflix and its growing involvement in the film, entertainment, and anime industries.

>In response to a comment about the "amazing" overseas value of Japanese anime, he said:
>It's amazing, but no money is being invested in Japanese anime at all. Even the In This Corner of the World director [Sunao Katabuchi] was making [the film] on the verge of starvation. He was making the film for five years with no income at all with his wife.

>Japan, which has squashed and made fun of its anime creators for a long time until now, is going to get big retaliation from Netflix.

>Machiyama also said that Netflix's live-action series have "five times the budget of a Japanese film. Five times [the budget] in one episode." He said that Netflix is now active in Japan, and "it lets Japanese film directors and anime producers make their works." Machiyama said that the cooperation allows for the budget for simultaneous releases worldwide. He believes "Japan's anime industry will soon change completely. And the film industry will also change."

>>161199461
Go shill somewhere else fag
>>>/trash/

>>161199532

Leverage is how you expand a business, if they weren't in "debt" it would be a fuckup. Disney left because Netflix is so successful D wants to try to copy them.

Netflix is now more popular than cable tv. That's one business, that's outcompeting an entire industry.

I've got no dog in this fight, really. But trying to argue that Netflix isn't a successful business is just incorrect.

>>161199461
>No Simulcasts

>>161199608
I wonder if netflix will force Crunchy to stop being such jews and pay more for their series. Ditto Funi and Amazon.

>>161199608
>In response to a comment that actors in Netflix Originals series are offered "ridiculous sums of money," Machiyama said:
> There is a big paradigm shift happening in the entertainment industry now. Until now, people making films and anime in Japan have suffered their lives in poverty. Suddenly people with ten or twenty times the budget appeared, and it is becoming a world where they say, 'it's okay to make it no matter how much money it takes.'

>In addition, Machiyama commented that works that might not receive an "OK" under other circumstances or that film companies would not be able to screen can get approval through Netflix. He thinks that a "full-blown war" with Netflix will start in the media world in Japan, and it will look like "an invasion of the former American military." He advised careful consideration for people involved with Japanese media companies.

>As an example, Machiyama noted that France has elevated its country to fight with Netflix. He said that the country essentially avoided an American "invasion" by blocking Netflix from France.

>Machiyama believes that anime is a "wonderful" medium viewed around the world, but its development has been limited because there has been no significant monetary investment.

I fucking hate normalfags.

>>161199681
It wont matter when 50% of shows in every season are on their service.

>>161199608
It's nice that Netflix are willing to throw large sums of cash at project, but in the case of anime, how much of it will go to the underpaid animators?

>>161199936
Just as much as usual.

>>161199608
Can I get the link on this? Reads interesting.

>>161199936
1. studios need to compete with each other studios for jobs with 20 times the usual budget
2. studios increase quality
3. animators capable of better quality are highly sought after
4. top level wages rise through the roof
That doesn't help the low-end workers though.

>>161200022
ANN article
But that's all there's to it.

>>161200024
>That doesn't help the low-end workers though.
It does, because sometimes quantity is a quality all on its own.

>>161199608
That's good if they get more money, I'm just worried about the influence that Netflix could have.

Based Netflix

>>161200161
You're already seeing the effects of Netflix's influence, just look at their recent announcement. They seem to like sci-fi themed anime.

>>161200161
Netflix are never going to take over the anime industry, they are only interested in catering to their target demographic with these shows, there will always be a market for shows outside that demographic and studios and animators working in that field. They only liscense and buy up shows and fund shows with young adult appeal really.

>>161200221
>>>/pol/

>>161200226
If netflix shows offer significantly better deals for animators and studios, they will reject the low-paying traditional anime projects.

>>161200161
I'm worried about that as well, I don't want anime to just become a rehash of what already exists in the USA, I hope they can get the money and keep their creativity, actually I just don't want to lose fanservice, loli, and basically everything that makes anime so different than western stuff.

>>161200292
Netflix isn't going to be producing 40+ anime a season.
If demand still exists within Japan for the type of shows we already know then those shows will get produced.

>>161199461
>leave airing shows months after the hype has died to us

>waah I'm worried about the influence of Netflix

Anime will become the next big shit that western normalfags will ruin.

Already happened with video games and movies.

>>161200226
They actually have a pretty varied collection of japanese media.
From tokusatsu, shoujo and shonen anime to the more gritty stuff.

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So what Netflix anime you're looking forward to?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWEeqQe-S7w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9-CbhrXy7I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XcLqGVGObw

>>161200362
>Netflix isn't going to be producing 40+ anime a season.
No, it will only drain the labor pool as if they were producing 40 anime a season.

>>161200409
Honestly they almost all look terrible and bland, the usual stuff basically.

anime is dead

>>161200454
>Yuasa
>usual stuff

>>161200388
They focus on big brand names and scfi-fi, action, fantasy, violent stuff when it comes to the majority of their anime. You might be able to find an outlier or two but those are the clear criteria.

>>161200425
That is just horseshit.

>>161200527
Oh there's one by Yuasa? Which?

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>>161199461
>konichiwa, in today's meeting we'll be talking about diversity

>>161200546
Watch the PVs in that post

>>161200536
>That is just horseshit.
What do you think is going to happen with "twenty times the budget"?
See >>161200024
>>161200118

>>161200562
It'll be funny if they force them to add black people or lgbt stuff.

>>161200614
But anime already has plenty of LGBT stuff, disguised as fetish fuel.

>>161200614
There are tons of lgbt stuff in anime already.
Do you even watch anime?

>>161200649
>>161200649
Of course, I meant, they would force them to portray lgbt in a different manner than how they do right now.

>>161200409
The loli one

>>161200649
>>161200690
You ain't seen shit yet, look up The Mist tv show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znymKOqfqnQ

>>161199897
Well I hate you too anon

>>161200536

Looks more like Netflix focuses on guaranteed cult following than anything more mainstream. Blame! movie, Devilman movie and Dark Crystal tv show all indicate this. Those three are hardly IPs trying to appeal to the mainstream. Well, except Devilman in Japan I guess.

>>161199461
>waiting months because they just have to release their shit in bulk
No,fuck off

>>161200589
Studios will take longer to produce their shoes and focus more on quality control as they will be able to afford not to rush. That's about it. To suggest anything like the entire industry is going to be working on the what 3-4 shows Netflix has coming up in a few seasons shows a complete misunderstanding of the industry.

Nothing wrong with netflix or crunchyroll desu senpai.

>>161200833
>Studios will take longer to produce their shoes
Which would have the same effect. You are still putting more work hours into the same project.
That means, less workers are available for other projects.
You are being willfully stupid.

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>>161200409
>anime that focuses on songs and features loli and some other girl that is voiced by Yukari
>Yuasa anime
>some potentially entertaining sci-fi
Why do I have to dislike Netflix again?

>>161200833

Good thing is actually good creators have a venue in foreign market now, so the japanese market being oversaturated by cheap and bad quality moeshit does not hurt them as much as it used to.

>>161200861
Fuck off ironic weeb.

Amazon is going to murder them. Netflix is on its deathbed.

>>161200861
How can I become a shill like you?

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The future looking amazing.

>>161200808
Those titles are all big brand names in their industry though. Same with the studios and creators they choose to work with mostly being well known or associated with high quality.

>>161200950
Stop bringing e-celebs to /a/.

>>161199461
>Netflix
Too much ideology.

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>>161200971
Better enjoy the /a/ you love now because this place is gonna become /v/ soon enough.

>>161200964

>Those titles are all big brand names in their industry though

But they aren't really mainstream, so that puts them to being cult hit material instead. That doesn't necessarily mean they were doing bad, cult following can vary in size and financial investment by a lot.

>>161201031
People have been saying that for a decade, ever since /v/ stopped being popular here.

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>>161199461

>Using Netflix at all
>Not using superior *Insert your favorite fansub here*

>>161201073
Anime is going mainstream now. You can't stop it.

>>161201103
Anime was mainstream in the 90s.

>>161201031
But it has been for years anon.

>>161200892
To suggest that a few projects lasting longer would be equivalent to 40 shows is being wilfully stupid.

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>>161200721
>Of course, I meant, they would force them to portray lgbt in a different manner than how they do right now.

Sunrise could do it, think about all the possibilities of another yuri boom with Netflix

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>>161199461
>starving japanese animators
>starving japanese
>japanese animators
>starving animators

Pick none.

Japanese always starve themselves regardless of how rich/poor they are.

Japanese don't have animators left. Modern animators are just "creators" of content. They are well off and never stave.

The people who actually do the animaton are more tech geeks than true animators. Other hand drawing is exported to korea, china, or seamonkeys to do.

>paying for media
>netflix
How much do they pay you to do "viral" advertising on chans?

>>161201031
Not a reason to shit up the board. Go back to /v/.

>>161199461
Why is this blatant shill thread still up?

>>161201126
It's simple maths. I'm sorry if you aren't capable of that.

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>>161200562

>>161201140
How can someone be so sure of himself while saying stuff he has no idea about?
Shut the fuck up

>>161201156
Because it's not a shill thread.

>>161201156
Because your average /a/non is not dumb enough to pay for Netflix.

>>161201156
Mods aren't up. A blog thread just went to archive too.

>>161201140
>They are well off and never stave.
They work all day and then sleep a bit and earn like 30$ a week

>>161201140
This. You guys always fall for the starving animators meme. No shit, doing low end work gives low pay. Globalization will work its magic if supply falls too much while the important key frames will still be done in Japan.

>>161201048
They're tend to invest in the biggest franchises and best names (within that sci-fi, fantasy, action, violence) when making their anime generally that's all I am saying. They're targeting a specific young adult kind of audience that is likely to be more amenable to watch this shit for the most part.

>>161201229
>people are still quoting that shitty Shirobako meme

>>161201170
It's simply math that 3 or 4 projects being given three or four months longer to work on production is equivalent to producing 40 shows? You're being stupid.

>>161201229
Yes, I'm sure they would totally do that instead of working part time at Mcdonalds and gaining three times that money

>>161201325
>It's simply math that 3 or 4 projects being given three or four months longer to work on production
Does not equate 20 times the budget?
Why yes, it is.
Try again.

>>161201288
>The pay/hours change depending on who you are and what your job is. The best position (which only the best of the best can manage) is "freelance genga-man aka freelance key-frame animator" ... you can demand your own prices and actually take time off after project if you want. For everyone else (and definitely for inbetween artists like me), its as bad as the rumors. I worked at a slave-labor-inbetween-studio called "nakamura pro" for 8 months before moving onto Pierrot which is where I am now. At Nakamura pro we were paid $1 per drawing, meaning you earned between $5 and $25 a day. At Pierrot it`s way better... but still pretty bad. 1 drawing = $2-$4 .... so on any given day I can earn about $40. (HORRIBLE by anyone's standards.... but, if you want to work on cool anime, there's not much choice.)

>>161201126
The point is that there's a limited pool of talented animators and that any show with 20 times the budget as your average jap production is inevitably gonna draw heavily from that pool

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>>161201367
> inbetweeners

>be a nip
>get paid little money to do something that you love in the industry that you love

They could easily gef a different shit-paying job that they hate. These people choose to do what they do. Stop feeling sorry for them.

>>161199461
Crunchyroll on suicide watch

>>161201282

Sure, except the examples I gave aren't exactly franchises for young adults, they are all products of late 80's to early 90's so they ride on "nostalgia" more than anything. Ask a 20-something years old dude what does he think about Blame! or Dark Crystal and he doesn't know what you're talking about. Ask the same from people who are starting to hit their 30's and you might find fans among them.

early 2000's weeaboos don't recognize any of those.

>>161201367
>zero-skill monkey labor pays like shit
More news at 11

>>161201521
They are targeting exactly the audience that thinks that modern anime is all shit and that old anime was all OVAs.

>>161201484

>They could easily gef a different shit-paying job that they hate. These people choose to do what they do. Stop feeling sorry for them.

People feel sorry for the sad state in the industry when the quality drops because an animator gets paid less than a cleaning lady.

>>161201364
How do you think studios make profit? On the difference between the budget they get for animation and the amount they spend on production.

>>161201548
>>161201471
The problem is that if you want to become an animator, you HAVE to start with that zero-skill monkey labor. Wich is why many people leave the industry after the first year.

>>161201389
There's no evidence those shows are paying animators any more. In fact Japanese animators have been tweeting that they don't benefit from Netflix at all.

>>161201635
>How do you think studios make profit?
You again ignore that studios compete for these job offers. You assume that Netflix would just blindly hand over the contracts and not care at all what kind of anime they get.
The studios will be forced to invest in quality to justify their budgets.

>>161200290
sure you say that now, but when Netflix starte demanding more "Diverse" and "Culturally Rich" casts and plots that dont "Offend" minorities, then youll see a big shift in Anime.

>>161201471
>>161201548
>starving animators don't exist
>they exist
>t-they're shit anyway
Thank you for proving OP right

>>161201671
>There's no evidence those shows are paying animators any more.
That's the point of the interview quoted at the beginning of the thread. Keep up.

>>161201364
Longer production doesn't always mean more budget.
Fuck off to your animation school.

>>161201548

Everybody starts from inbetweening in the industry. You only start getting better jobs when you prove to be trustworthy and good enough.

With shitty pay that doesn't pay your rent, thats a lot of talent who quit before they even truly begin. Doesn't even have to be that great a pay at first, standard factory job pay would be more than enough.

>>161201201
Yeah instead they pay for Crunchyroll.

>>161201712
No, usually it means that you have a smaller team, which in the end comes up to about the same amount of work hours per episode.

>>161200783
>>161199897
But I love you both

Why does /a/ want anime to not be anime anymore?

>>161201677
>>>/pol/

>make 1 big budget anime show
>it does okay you get your money back, it flops you're bankrupt
>make 20 shows with the same money and get multiple hits
>

>>161200690
Of course /pol/ doesn't, they are all hardcore normalfags, whatever made you believe they did anything decent? They are just interested in shitposting and destroying the site

>>161201031
Nah, we have mods that at least delete retarded threads like yours so stupid shit from /v/ doesn't take a foothold here

>>161201694
Higher budgets=/=paying animators more.

>>161201635
Merchandise, blu-ray sales or rating hardly matter, the last time I see they only account for like less of 20% of total sales for a series.

>>161201893
>we have mods
Sometimes.

>>161201897
See >>161200024
>>161200118

>>161201916
I keep seeing /v/ tier bait threads getting deleted before they hit 10 posts, people on /a/ actually report the stupid shit instead of trying to make a meme out of it like the /v/erming do

>>161201951
So, instead of fucking off back to your containement board you will continue to spam and shitpost? Is this the power of the redpill?

>>161201963
I'm not disagreeing on general. But there are huge gaps in the moderation. Right now for example it seems the mods are offline.

>>161201893
>we have mods
Explain why this shit thread is still up even though is being an hour

>>161202009
Not enough people reporting it

>>161199461
The way to help animators is to make less shows per year you moron.

>>161202047
Then you'd see them deleting shit elsewhere. They aren't deleting anything.

>>161201644
>>161201714
Inbetweener is an entry-level internship that you are supposed to move out from after a year at most, you aren't supposed to be living off your entire life from it

>>161201939
This posts don't address his argument
Animators are still being paid fuck all

>>161201773
too many crossboarding newfags want to blog about their 3DPD masturbation habits and other non-/a/ related shit

>>161202189
That is your only retort?

>>161202009
Because the thread itself isn't deletion worthy I guess, I honestly don't see anything wrong with the subject itself since its only talking about what netflix is doing, the problem in the thread are the /pol/ and /v/ crossboarders that came just to shitpost about diversity when no one talked about it and only talked about wages and the effect of netflix is having on the companies

>>161201683
Calling an inbetweener n animator would like calling an intern a surgeon

>>161202212
He said animators are not being paid more because of Netflix
You replied with unrelated stuff

>>161202273
>because of Netflix
Now you are confusing me. I thought we were discussing "higher budgets"?

>>161202308
I only realized that after posting and remembering we don't have CR threads for that reason

How does /a/ do it? Even with all it's flaws it still manages to maintain a level of quality far above the other media boards and a resistance to shitty external board culture thats not present anywhere else.

>>161201897
The entire discussion is about how studios are gonna allocate as many of their best animators they can and contract as many freelancers they can for Netflix originals, leaving jack shit for regular anime, the fuck are you even talking about

>>161201773
Why do you think Netflix dumping lots of money into the industry means anime would suddenly stop being anime?

>>161202380
We actually like the subject of the board unlike you /v/erming

>>161202212
https://twitter.com/sasakitoshinao/status/895421432661893122

This guy shared the article being quoted here on twitter and the first response there says despite the higher budgets animators are saying their pay hasn't increased a single yen. The Netflix money is all going into the pockets of executives not animators.

>>161202433
Because it seem there is lots of normalfags on /a/ who hate what anime is curently is and wish it was more westernized.

>>161202460
No, the guy you quoted likes /a/. He's been quoting that one line in every shit thread to remind everybody ironically that /a/ is failing.

>>161202347
No, your argument was that a few shows having a higher budget would create a huge impact on the industry.
He made the point that it wouldn't affect the current 40 shows a season industry.
You said it would.
He explained to you that even animators working on Netflix shows aren't getting paid more
You replied with unrelated stuff
I pointed that out
You ignores once.
I explained again
You're now trying to move the goalpost

>>161202460
You fail to see the problem.

>>161201773
Did you fucking watch Cyborg 009 vs Devilman? Was that not anime? Even LWA was normal with no bullshit

>>161202480
We'll see how long things will remain that way. Competition should make itself felt at some point.

>>161202123

Depends on the studio you're talking about. Granted most of the inbetweening is nowadays outsourced to cheaper countries like Korea and Thailand.

But then theres companies that specialize in both hiring inbetweeners and offering other late-production services like cleanup and special effects. So some animators can literally make a career out of just inbetweening or cleaning up someone else's work for money.

>>161200950
The alarming stuff about this pic is not that it exists (well yeah it is) but rather the number of views it gets. Disgusting stuff.

>>161199461
it is the designated meta thread?

>>161202526
>>161202491
I choose to ignore it instead of feeding it

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What is the point of this option? You can already copy text when you quote someone

netflix is just doing the crunchyroll thing of throwing some money to get streaming license. It bBenefits the studio execs, not the animators. Unless they actually did pay for that shit-awful Castlevania cartoon--it reeked, maybe it did have gaijin fingers in it.

>>161202521
>He explained to you that even animators working on Netflix shows aren't getting paid more
Ah, I see. That's where I lost him/you (whatever).
That means the competition isn't happening (yet). Either the anime industry is completely anti-capitalistic and hates money, or it will start to happen sooner or later.

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>it's another netflix shilling episode

>>161202480
Then that's a problem with the industry. It's not up to foreign investors to fix problems with animator wages, that has to come from the studios.

>>161201996
>thread about Netflix
>guy points out why Netflix isn't good
>faggot tells him to go somewhere else
Hmmm, really makes, etc.

>>161202591
I'm not sure. I personally think ctrl c is quicker than going into a menu.

>>161202597
This thread is mostly Netflix shilling and people that don't seen to realize that anime studios are massive jews who don't pay their animators decently because they don't WANT to not because they can't

Ah, a few more obviously rule violating threads just went to archive.
I sure wish we had mods.

>>161200747
>>161200897
Burn in hell degenerates.

>>161202591
I thought everyone just highlighted and clicked when they used meme arrows

>>161202597
It's kind of different with their new slate of shows. They aren't even being aired in Japan they are real Netflix exclusives.

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>>161202591
>more bloat

>>161202728
He is too busy deleting sauces on OPT threads

>>161202613
No, it won't happen. Japanese studios will just get all that budget money and continue with the exact same practices. There won't be any trickle down of those inflated budgets to the animators.
This is how Japanese economy works, there is a reason why it is the country where salaries have been mostly frozen the longest

>>161202796
So the CEOs truly hate money.

>>161202735
Sounds like you're lost anon, maybe MAL is more for you.

>>161202782
that's a janny though

>>161202853
Jannies can delete threads.

>>161202490
What do normalfags have to do with my post or the post I replied to?

>>161201996
not him, but also not an argument

>>161202613
As long as there is a demand for 40 shows a season in Japan there will be people to animate it.
You talk about capitalism while ignoring it's most basic rule

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>>161202851
Oh nice, what is MAL? Care to explain?

>>161202853
Are you sure? I got a nice ban for calling the janny a faggot. 3 minutes after posting.

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based Netflix

>>161202884
Because there are more normalfags than /a/nons, thus making them a tempting target for netflix.

>>161202842
No, the exact opposite of that, they love money and they want all of it. What you're saying is that their way of obtaining more of it is misguided, which yes it is

>>161202874
but they can't delete mods approved rule-breaking threads such as this one

>>161202911
>there will be people to animate it.
But they are already complaining about a lack of high level animators.

>>161202911
I don't think people realise just how many small studios there are in Japan that only do subcontracting work for bigger studios just waiting for the opportunity to step up.

>>161199461
If netflix plays its cards right they could have a giant anime fanbase eating away at whatever shit lads on it.

>>161202971
>No, the exact opposite of that,
>if we don't do anything our rival is going to get all the money
>but if we invest even a little into quality, then the total gain we could get would be smaller (though still much bigger than what we currently have)
>that's somehow bad
They hate money.

>>161202983
If things work as you say though and free markets function as they should in the animation industry with competition driving up budgets and wages then supply of animators will rise to meet demand for animation.

>>161202983
Who are they?
Regardless who they are I'm assuming it is not as much of a complain as much as it is a way to justify keeping wages down or lowering them

>>161203018
Can jannys ban? Because if they can't, that was a mod.

>>161203039
But the Japanese companies can't afford 20 times the budgets, and netflix isn't interested in 20 times the shows.

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>>161199461
>starving Japanese animators
You mean SEA/Chinese/Korean animators?
If only they could get starved to death. Fuck them. Anime should be made only by Japanese and not some random kids from a concentration camp.

>>161203073
Janitors can give temp bans for 15 minutes.

>>161202983
And if you think about it more, if the demand for animators is so much higher than the supply and free markets are functioning normally the wages for animators should already be rising without Netflix. The animation industry in Japan is just fundamentally broken not a well functioning close to free market system.

>>161203035
>Rival
You're implying that there are rivals not engaging in the same practice. And you'll be wrong.
You're also implying that throwing more money at artists get you better quality which is mostly wrong too

>>161203120
Then it was a bored mod lurking on a OPT

>>161202983

Because bulk of the work is outsourced to poorer countries too much and the market is oversaturated with poor quality shit so even the really good stuff underperforms. When quality skill and high talent gets paid less than a job of a cleaning lady, that talent stagnates.

Animating -like smithing by hand- is slowly disappearing because its a high skill profession with not enough demand, while machines or globalisation brings poor quality products to the masses, who eat it up anyway.

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netflix claims that anime viewers have a fifty-fifty gendersplit nowadays, how did that happen?

>>161203078
So there is no demand from Netflix in the first place, idiot. And your entire argument is moot.

>>161203144
>You're implying that there are rivals not engaging in the same practice. And you'll be wrong.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say.
>You're also implying that throwing more money at artists get you better quality which is mostly wrong too
But hiring a better artist gets you better results.

>>161203091
I don't know why people say this shit, the majority of outsourcing done in anime is done to other Japanese studios. Every episode you watch nearly will have portions of the work outsourced to other Japanese studios especially for clean up work. Occasionally you see Korean names in there.

>>161203178
Women were always the silent 50% majority.

>>161200721
Netflix original full on queer stuff, despite how much they spend on whoring it as the hottest shit, does poorly.
It's also one of the reasons people don't use it as much as youtube.

I doubt they'll go full hardcore in forcing homosex....again.

>>161203193
>So there is no demand from Netflix in the first place, idiot.
But there would be, if studios would hire animators for 20 times the budget.

>>161203214
with the yuri on ice! hype from last year does that mean anime will pander to women(read:fujoshi) more now? I fear for the future

>>161203201
That every Japanese company does that, they'll keep doing that. There is no rival to knock them out of the market because they're all doing it.
>better artists
They're already working in the industry. There aren't some hidden artists lurking in the shadows waiting for good wages

>>161202956
>thus making them a tempting target for netflix.
Assuming those shitposters who hate anime do use Netflix, how would this make anime stop being anime?

>>161203282
Have you never seen stalker threads? I know they are only for shitposting but the fujodomination is nothing new.
Osomatsu S2 soon.

>>161203309
>There is no rival
But there is. Every time another studio gets a deal and they don't, they lose out.
>They're already working in the industry.
Yes, but not for you specifically.
If you hire the best artists, you have a good shot at making a good anime.

>>161203245
For the last god damn fucking time you idiot
The studio will pay them the same as any other studio
And even if somehow that wasn't true the studios wouldn't hire the entire industry just to spite the rest of the studios so in either case it won't fucking change a single fucking thing

>>161201197
kys

>>161201546

Worthless mods and janitors are at it again.

So if netflix starts paying out of the ass for netflix original content what genres would they go after and what series would they pick up?

I'm thinking...
Shounen
Seininen
The average yuri and fujo pandering thing

We might see a return of OVAs.
Boy would I love to see a return of OVAs.

>>161203381
Learn what the conditional tense means.
Look it up if you have to.

>>161200562
But we already have traps so nothing will chance

>>161203368
>But there is. Every time another studio gets a deal and they don't, they lose out.
There is only so many ways I can explain to you that ALL THE STUDIOS OPERATE IN THE SAME WAY

>>161203450
Are you retarded?
Even IF they all operate in the same way, they are still not ALL getting ALL the contracts. Studios that promise better results get more job offers.

>>161202380
Holy shit do you actually believe it? Are you for real right now?

>>161203381
Who says that the studios will have a say?
What makes you think it simply won't be a collection of artists and a few others all coming together to work on something for a while, split the money then moving on?
The entire industry becoming a chain of lucrative nomads all working on random high paying netflix/streaming gigs while outright ignoring or only doing traditional stuff if money gets tight.

>>161203517
The anime industry already has lots of freelancers.

>>161203470
And you don't seem to understand that japan doesn't work the way you think it works.
Studios pay shitty wages to animators regardless of how much money they make.
The best artists are already working for the industry, earning shitty wages.
Netflix shows up and hires one studio for 40x times the budget and the will still pay the animators shitty wages and pocket the rest of the money
Why do you think Japan has been in an out of recession for the past 30 fucking years?
That is how they do business

>>161203423
>seinen is a genre
>OVA is a genre
I'll give you shounen, since "shounen" is pretty must synonymous with fighting shounen nowadays

>>161201773
Dude, nothing will happen. Normalfags watch anime because it is anime

>>161203564
>Why do you think Japan has been in an out of recession for the past 30 fucking years?
Possibly completely retarded, but nevertheless interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5Ac7ap_MAY

>>161203517
Is this what true autism looks like?

>>161203517
because this is not the fist time they seem gaijin money flowing in and it hasn't and won't change their societal structure

>>161203178

Anime-boom in the early 2000's. Those girls grew up to become weeaboos. Nowadays art schools tend to have more girl than boy students in them, and 99% of those girls draw grinning Gorillaz/Tumblr-yaoi shit.

Then the actual fuckable girls with actual talent became actually proficient cosplayers models who also make their own suits.

>>161203564
>And you don't seem to understand that japan doesn't work the way you think it works.
No, I do understand. I am pointing out that your arguments don't work. Stop appending stupid nonsense to the simple fact that they hate money.

>>161203541
I'm talking about studios being unable to get or keep animators because they are all working on multiple high paid projects and tying themselves to any one place for long means they'll lose out.

They won't be starving and working for peanuts. They'll be seeing themselves as a valuable and if they can't find someone who's willing to pay them a living wage they'll set up a project with other artists and pitch it to netflix

>>161202490
Well i like manime and i wish there was more of it

>>161203636
No you don't understand.
You're clearly not from this board and you don't get how the anime industry works
Disney didn't change japan, netflix will be the same

>>161203692
You just keep repeating yourself, and being stupid.
I wish you'd practice some introspection.

>>161203651
>tying themselves to any one place for long means they'll lose out.
anybody engaging in this would be completely shunned by the entire japanese animation industry regardless of how good they are

>>161203651
>>>161203541
>They'll be seeing themselves as a valuable and if they can't find someone who's willing to pay them a living wage they'll set up a project with other artists and pitch it to netflix
You fucking what

No, seriously, the sheer retardation in this statement has ket me speechless

>>161203651

>because they are all working on multiple high paid projects and tying themselves to any one place for long means they'll lose out.

Thats not really how it works in animation, because the job itself is very time-demanding.

>>161203202
It's completey true if you look at something like New Game!! this season here is an incomplete list of places parts of the work has been outsourced to from Dogakobo:

TYO animation
Silver Link
Jumondou
Acca Effe
Gainax
Studio 4c
Antius Kobe
White Fox Izu Studio
JC Staff
Rising Force
Diomedia
Studio Elle
Wanpack
White Fox

This is not an exceptional list at all either, if you look through the credits on almost any anime you will find the same things. However the thing they have in common is all being Japanese. One of the biggest myths on the internet in anime communities seems to be everything being outsourced to some cheap countries. Not really sure why that has happened, probably because if you actually watch the credits those names actually stand out because they blatantly aren't Japanese. There are places that exist solely on this kind of outsourced work and never make their own shows and there are plenty of studios like that in Japan.

>>161203723
your argument is that the influx of money will change the industry I've explained to you why it won't and gave you an example of how it didn't

>>161203780
>your argument is that the influx of money will change the industry
No, it isn't. But I wouldn't expect you to be able to keep up. After all, that would require thinking.

>>161203761
>>161203763
at this point I'm convinced this guy is just a troll

>>161203633
They do spend a lot of time pushing the "be a good slave and produce more good slaves" thing.

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Why can't studios just treat animators better like KyoAni? Netflix is even willing to give them money to do so but they still won't. Is the entire industry outside of KyoAni just heartless jews?

>>161203948
Why would you change an established system that is working for some johnny come lately company that will leave you with no work and huge wages as soon as they lose interest in funding anime?

>>161203948
Kyoani doesn't treat their animators better, neither does Shaft or any other studios that people like to fanboy around here.
They just have better leadership and quality control

>>161203817

Two different people anon. Animation is work-intensive enough that you have to be tied to one company for usually a year unless its a short film you're doing. Even the best animator in the world gets around 1-2 seconds worth of content made per day, slightly more if he works overtime or makes less work intensive scenes (talking heads). Animators aren't exactly some Kojima-superstars who hop around projects all the time, animation by the job description itself favors silent NEETs more because it takes so much time.

>>161203948
>le Kyoani teeats their animators better meem
The only thing they do differently than other studios is that they pay them a set salary rather than paying them by the scene

>>161204043
>>le

>>161204026
>Two different people anon.
I'm aware
My post was directed at the two of you talking about the one post you were both replying to

>>161203998
KyoAni do pay somewhat higher wages, and have shorter working hours along with full time positions and very little freelancing. The main difference is really that they can actually afford to take their time with their productions.

>>161204043
And they only work 8 hours and have free days.
Maybe dental plan too.

apparently netflix likes anime because it is cheaper to prodduce and less uncanny to dub, it also hoarding anime because licensing is easier if the studios are on their payroll in the first place because they can then instantly distribute it everywhere forever instead of doing it region by region temporarily.

>>161204062
Lurk for 2 years before posting

>>161204139
Says the person posting reddit memes?

>>161204122
That's just because Kyoani only does 1-2 show per year, meaning less crazy deadlines when compared to other studios that do at least 1 show each season

>>161204043
Paying a set salary rather than paying by the scene can make a huge difference. If your salary depends on how many drawings you do you are either going to rush them and produce low quality animation or work long hours for low pay. With a set salary that decision is removed from your hands.

>>161204043
>the only thing
And that's a big fucking thing.

>>161204147
he was calling you a redditor actually since you were spouting nonsense about a subject you know nothing about
you would know this if you had been here for more than a few hours

>>161204201
Not everybody who complains about the use of memes disagrees with the content of the post.
Lurk more.

>>161204133

Doesn't explain licenses like Dark Crystal though. Seems more like some head of Netflix is 30-40 years old and grew up with stuff like GiTS movie and late 80's-early 90's cult hit stuff.

Not that I complain, he has a better taste in fiction than most of /a/ (or /co/ for that matter).

>>161204183
they pay a set salary because they need to keep those animators while they're not working on anything
because they only work on 2 shows a year

>>161204175
But the point was that animators get better treatment, how much anime they do is irrelevant.

>>161204226
you don't get to change that around now that you exposed yourself Mr. Reddit

seems like the thread is on autosage

>>161204183
>>161204199
They are still paid industry-equivalent salaries, it's not like they are making much more than being paid by the cut likenin other studios

>>161204267
it is very relevant because they only get better treatment because they work on 2 shows

>>161204183

Best solution is to have both, a low time-based salary which gets better based on how productive you are. This is a staple in many high skill incentive jobs, like say professional meat cutting in meat plants. Because they get paid really well, management can afford to demand absolute top quality and high speed from the workers at the same time.

>>161204284
Change what around? The fact that your samefag radar is shit and you are defending reddit memes?
Fuck off.

>>161204296
Thank fuck for that

>>161204306
Being treated like an employee and a person rather than disposable work makes a huge difference in someones quality of life. I don't know if you've ever had bills to pay of your own but without stable employment your whole existence becomes anxiety at that point.

>>161204339
>>161204062
>>161204147
>whats ironic shitposting
Fucking eternal summer

>>161204464
Something you shouldn't be doing on /a/. Fuck off.

>>161204464
still shitposting

>>161204464
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.

>>161204464
This
Fucking newfags

>>161204477
>>161204527
>unironically defending a clueless newfriend who tried to fit in by calling obvious ironic shitposting as legit reddit because he doesn't know jack shit about the board culture

>>161204632
Fuck off.

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>>161204652

>>161204652
You fuck off back to lurking.

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Im ironically shitposting.

>>161204740
Honestly I'd rather fuck Saikawa than Kanna, Kanna is just too fat it almost throws me off.

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>>161204740

kuso thread