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What did she mean by this?

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What did she mean by this?
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>>161198579
Cassanova
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He asked to loan money from her didn't he.
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>blushing Shinobu
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>>161198579
She probably spent a few hundred years in Italy taking the salami.
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Italians greet by cheek-kissing and are unloyal pieces of shit that fuck any woman even though there is one who clearly loves them to literal death, Araragi you piece of shit, settle or rot in hell!
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I think she messed up Frenchies and Italians
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>>161199597
>Italians greet by cheek-kissing
All Europeans do that.
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>>161200358
No.
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>>161200358
only with lolis
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>>161198886
Hell no, average italians would nuclearize the entire far east if concepts like "loli" or "lolicon" became widely known.
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>>161200358
The island people and the Scandinavians don't.
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>>161198579
She wants Araragi to put his spaghetti noodle in her ravioli.
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>>161202501
Why would someone do that? You should eat them separately
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https://www.dramafever.com/news/italian-man-gets-arrested-after-kissing-japanese-woman-as-a-greeting-/
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>>161199597
why the fuck is that asshole so unloyal god fucking damnit saettle for her or dont but dont fucking cheat on her
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>>161201693
*Nordics

I got cheek-kissed by a Brit a couple of weeks ago, was disgusted
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>>161198579
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>>161199020
was my guess as well
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>>161203726
>that moment when she stops struggling and just lets it happen
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>>161203726
That's literally a kiss shot
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>>161203930
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>>161203493
Most Brits and Irish would be disgusted too. Are you sure they weren't a foreigner?
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>>161203773
DIAMONDS
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What if there actually existed a Kiss-Shot in our world, but because one of you anons didn't go out that one night, no one saved her and she bled to death?
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Why is Shinobu so sensitive?
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>>161204278
Woah, 4chan reference?
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>>161204278
It was you, wasn't it, anon? You failed us all!
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>>161199154
topkek
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>>161204409
I-I don't know, who says it wasn't you, anon?
>>161204398
First time I saw that I also thought of it, though I'm not quite sure, might just be an outfit she's wearing.
>>161204366
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>>161203773
That scene is so fucking cute.
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Somebody help me out here, in my head there's a scene where Shinobu meets Araragi as a child. Does this actually exist or am I just making it up?
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>>161204366
Stop making me depressed with all these cute as fuck Shinobu webms.
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>>161204839
It does. Don't have the webm for it tho, only part of the scene
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>>161203726
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>>161204874
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Post more cute Shinobu webms/gifs please. I need a few for my bat folder.
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>>161204902
Do you know what episode or season it was in?
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>>161205134
Kabukimonogatari, don't remember the episode
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>>161205134
It was definately somewhere in Kabukimonogatari, ep 7 - 10. Somewhere in the second episode of the arc I think.
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>>161205219
ep 7 - 10 in Seconds eason by the way, Mayoi Jiangshi
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>>161200358
Looking someone else in the eyes is a violation of private space in Scandinavia.
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>>161198579
She is Italian so it reminded her of her country.
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>>161205323
I didn't know Vikings were this insecure.
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>>161205388
You don't even have a source on that. She's from some unknown foreign country, might be france, because lets be honest, everything in Kizumonogatari, pretty much her story, was french and even the credits song was in french.
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>>161205435
It's not insecurity, we just have autism built into our society.
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>>161205219
>>161205256
>>161205193

Thanks found it. Was right before the OP in the second episode.
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>>161205462
Well yeah, it wasn't meant to be a serious post.
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>>161205877
>purest
>had her heart stolen by another man
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>>161205914
To make her weaker, anon. Don't go spreading misunderstandings.
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>>161198579
Kissing even on the mouth amongst family is traditional in Italy, and has also found place between members of artificially created families, such as the Mafia. Shinobu is surprised Araragi would kiss her like that due to the nature of their relationship being a bond of deep love but not of romantic one at that time. In her confusion, this is the first thing she blurts out as it comes to her mind. Whether the projected aura of jealousy was fake or real is left to the viewer's interpretation.
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>>161207012
She kind of had it coming, especially since its Araragi.
Her reaction was cute though.
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>>161198579
Dumb bitch
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>>161207279
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>>161201590

they're catholics anon
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>>161207012
>Kissing even on the mouth amongst family is traditional in Italy
historically, but you will only see very old people doing it, and even that is pretty rare
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>>161207600
Exactly, Kisshot is old like that.
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>>161207736

>>161205462
Also, even if, shouldn't she be the one going in for the kiss then? She even struggled a bit when rrgi kissed her.
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Does anybody has the timeline image?
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>>161208279
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>>161200358
I hope that's a joke
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>>161199020
>Be Italian
>Being always target of 3DPD attentions because of Italians GOOD features.

Cassanova is the only answer , boys.
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>>161203726
I'm still jelly after all those years.
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>>161208752
Honestly, who isn't?
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>>161208466

It is, cheek-kissing is more of a southern-eruopean thing.
Physical intimacy gets more and more rare the longer north you go.

Personal space is seen as something "holy" here in scandinavia. If you must stand next to a stranger, you won't go closer than 1 meter or so, if you don't have a special reason for doing so.

pic related, people waiting for the bus
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Is the dude who wrote the summary in yesterdays thread here? I want one for Sodachi Fiasco.
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>>161208880
Is that Finland?
Finland is particularly autistic, much more so than Denmark at least.
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>>161198579
i am italian and i found this funny
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>>161208880
>mfw I see how things in civilized places are and just yesterday I saw two hobos fucking in a street here in Brazil
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>>161209120
Sounds like it's very beautiful there.
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>>161208880
this has to be a one off case no way people actually wait for the bus like that all the time do they?
what kind of turbo-autism is this
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>>161208466
Cheek kissing is a normal thing in my country and from my point of view, hugging like burgers do is disgusting.
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>>161208993
Yeah it's finland. I know it's kinda extreme there, but we other countries aren't that far behind if you ask me.

>>161209120
>hobos
Is that still a thing in your country? Don't tell me you actually have beggars and street-hookers too.
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>>161209295
There are many photos of such Nordic autism available online.

>>161209339
Hugging and kissing would get you weird looks in the UK or Ireland.
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>>161209360
Welcome to the jungle, friend, let's see what we have here: street-hookers, street-hookers with penis that are bigger than ours and would beat a entire bar in a brawl, beggars, beggars with knives who would shiv you for a shitty smartphone, little fuckers that are a cross of hobos and beggars who will ask for money just to their fucking herd to stab you and take your money and much more.

But we have nice woman. Our beer and carnival are good, too.
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>>161209295
It's real.
Us northerners aren't very social unless we have taken a couple of beers beforehand.
This is one of the reasons why foreigners think that our culture is very cold. They think that we are arrogant and distant, and that we don't care about anyone but ourselves.
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>>161209542
>street-hookers, street-hookers with penis that are bigger than ours and would beat a entire bar in a brawl, beggars, beggars with knives who would shiv you for a shitty smartphone, little fuckers that are a cross of hobos and beggars who will ask for money just to their fucking herd to stab you and take your money and much more.

now i want asanagi to work on this for his next project
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>>161209599
We already had Michiko and Hatchin.
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Does anyone have a link to a video of the Mayoi Hell OP on youtube that works in the US? Or does anyone have the file itself? The one I had bookmarked got fucking hit by Sony.
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>>161208376
This is really confusing, and hard to understand, and unclear, and doesn't make a lot of sense.
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>>161198886
Don't you mean the entirety of Vatican city?
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>>161209599
I am not even shitting you. Three or four days ago I saw in the news that a street-hooker (one with a penis, mind you) was accosted by seven douchebags who tried to beat her.

Motherfucker trashed their asses so hard the seven needed to go to the hospital.
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>>161200358
>>161208466
In chile you greet people of the opposite sex with cheek kissing, woman with woman greet themselves with cheek kissing, and male with male if they are bro's, they greet them with a huge plus a cheek-to-cheek. Only when there is something like a boss-to-underling relation you don't do the cheek kissing. That's why when foreigners come and we do the cheek kissing they get kind of uncomfortable, but they get used to it really quick.
t. chilean spic scum

>>161209120
i feel you brazucanon
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>>161209918
>Three or four days ago I saw in the news that a street-hooker (one with a penis, mind you)
Are we talking about men in drag or male hookers?
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>>161209918


doujins of manly brazilian traprape when?
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>>161209971
>huge
>hug
ftfm
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>tfw the worst thing I see on my daily travels are Roma gypsies
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>>161210125
Men in drag. Male hookers are actually rare to no existent working in the streets here, it's just female hookers and male hookers on drag.
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>>161209585
>They think that we are arrogant and distant, and that we don't care about anyone but ourselves
This is true though
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>>161209858
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4RkHafngpg&list=PLeC67YIuW2taRcIE9ztMkgOVARDwaj6WY&index=159
>>161209863
Jesus Christ dude.
I'm just gonna type it out:
Kizu
Koyomi 1
Neko: Kuro
Bake 1-2
Koyomi 2
Bake 3-5
Bake 6-8
Bake 9-10
Bake 11-15
Tsubasa Song shortstory
Koyomi 3
Koyomi 4
Nise 1-7
Koyomi 5
Nise 8-11
Tsukihi Eternal
Karen Arm-Leg
Hitagi Neck
Shinobu House
Mayoi Room
Kabuki (SS 7-10)
Oni (SS 17-20)
Owari (7 -12)
SS 1-5 Tsubasa Tiger is going alongside Oni and Owari, you'll have to kind of see how it goes with it.
Yotsugi Stress
Koyomi 6
Koyomi 7
Owari 1-6
Ougi Travel
Otori (SS 12-15)
Waza Tsubasa Sleeping
Koyomi 8
Oroka Sodachi Fiasco
the aftercredit of the last ep in Onimonogatari (SS 20)
Koi (SS 21-26)
Tsuki
Koyomi 10
Hitagi Figure
Koyomi 11
The before OP scene of Owarimonogatari EP 7 and the aftercredit scene of Owarimonogatari EP 12
Koyomi 12
Owari SS Mayoi hell
Ending of Tsubasa sleeping
Hitagi Rendezvous
Ougi Dark
Zoku-Owari
Rouka God
Hanamonogatari
There's some stuff in between that's not that important, and of course stuff like Acerola Bon appetit or Musubi, but that's much, much earlier or later than the main year. Idk where to but Shinobumonogatari because I haven't read it, cuz I don't know nihongo. Though if I had to guess its somewhere after Hana but before Musubi.
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>>161210350
Alternatively.
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>>161210403
Fuck you, delet this. I was searching for this but couldn't find it so I wasted my entire fucking time typing that out.
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>>161204398
Why the fuck would Shaft reference 4chan
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>>161210490

You have a solid memory bro.
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>>161205877
youd think being part vampire would elevate ararararagis manlet status at least a little. its clearly doing some work on kiss shot.
isn't ragi like 20 something? boy still looks like he's waiting for a growth spurt
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>>161211231
18 if I'm not mistaken. Well, asians are not that big when it comes to body size, and KIss-Shot is, after all, a western apparation.
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>>161211231
He’s graduating high school in that arc so like 18. And
1) He’s Japanese
2) She’s northern European

Not very weird she’d be quite taller
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>>161211273
>and KIss-Shot is, after all, a western apparation.
Western is bestern.
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>>161211639
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As Italian I always thought she said that because arararagi tongue kissed her and knowing Japanese privacy standards it would be kind of weird to happen out of nothing like that
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>>161211290
>She’s northern European
i don't think that its confirmed that she's from northern europe or am i forgeting something?

are you just guessing cause the blonde hair and the fact that she's tall?
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>>161211740
>out of nothing
>straight up confronting a lolicon about that
>being in this deep of a relationship
People are saying she mistook the italians for the french, which makes me think he french kissed her.
>>161211771
Read Acerola Bon Appétite
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>>161211740
ThatIsTheJoke.jpg
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>>161211771
>are you just guessing cause the blonde hair and the fact that she's tall?
Yes
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>>161211794
Could be her way of calling him casanova, as stated earlier? What did she say in the raw?
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>>161211877
Anon, if I actually was able to read the raws, I wouldn't be here.
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>>161204366
>lost in thought
>someone suddenly grabs you
>jump a bit
I don't see how that's at all notable.
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>>161212146
It's still cute, even though the whole arc is kinda dark.
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>>161205122
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>>161203726
What's even better then the kiss is that Araragi even deepens the embrace more
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>>161204366
>That moment when they both just accepted the world as dead and decide to just live on together.
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>>161205877
>Everyone is using my webm's.
I think I did a good job.
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>>161213870
Holy shit, how fucking cute can this scene even get, though cutes not even the right word for it, pure? Romantic? Probably all of those, it's fucking perfect.
>>161213909
I want this to be it's own season, only that theres actually no way out.
>>161213967
Thank you, senpai.
If you have more of those, I'd appreciate it if you'd post them.
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>>161207012
>Whether the projected aura of jealousy was fake or real is left to the viewer's interpretation.
Shinobu's feelings were implied to be romantic in Kizu anon and literally confirmed in ''Shinobu House" and Kabuki https://www.reddit.com/r/araragi/comments/595sp5/monogatari_short_stories_shinobu_house/

Don't mind the source it's just for translations
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>>161214045
"Intimate" is the word I'd use. Not inherently sexual but very deep.
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>>161214148
I guess that describes what aura the scene gave off, I'll have to agree. I just couldn't find the right word for it, thanks, senpai.
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>>161210350
Sadly this video was hit by the same bullshit. Not available in my country (US). Thanks for trying though.
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>>161214148
But is being this intimate like this, also not leaning towards romantic? Or are you simply talking about the scene itself.
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>>161214205
You know, Shinobu is tall for a 8 year old. I am noticing this now.
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>>161214311
araragi is just very short
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>>161210403
Where is this image from?
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>>161214311
Well rrgi is about 1,60 so if I had to guess she's like 1,30-1,40 and isn't that normal for a 8 year old? rrgi is just not very tall, and also asians are often shorter than the rest of humanity, and because shinobu is a western apparation, it's likely that she also has western genes.
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>>161214148
That's because Shinobu is in her loli form. It would definitely be romantic if she was at least in teenager or adult Kiss-Shot form.

But even eight years old, Araragi still kissed her, so there's that.
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>>161214311
Yes, she is like 170 in middle school age and 180 in high school age. Even when she is 8, she is same size as other two lolis who are about 11 or 12.
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>>161214457
I'd like to know why stuff like this automatically gets lewder the older the characters get, it's like something we can't change.
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>>161214457
Well, I believe the scene looked kinda romantic nonetheless. But mostly intimate yes , especially how Araragi himself deepens the kiss.
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>>161214526
lf you are a lolicon you can be totally opposite, just like Araragi.
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>>161214526
Because even if Araragi's dick can't measure age (and if it can, it doesn't cares), it definitely reacts to breasts, butts and the fact that Kiss-Shot is fucking hot.

It's like there's two moods, "I want to protect this cute loli" and "maybe I want to fuck his loli" (with Araragi it's probably "I definitely want to fuck this loli sometimes" because that's how he rolls), with older Shinobu, it would be "dude I would definitely fuck this".
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>>161214557
It just seems like innocent, intimate love when she's a loli, but as soon as she grows people start to see it as something thats more romantic or even lewd. I mean, that was actually her first kiss if I'm not mistaken.
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>>161214622
I'll have to agree. I just can't see Shinobu in anything lewd. I just like her how she is, I'd prefer to cuddle with her than actually lewd her. And that's not even only because she's a loli.
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>>161214622
There are retards who believe Shinobu has any experience in romance nor love. She thinks there is no lewd meaning to kisses or knows how to take a compliment. Since she literally becomes a stuttering mess when Araragi called her ''too'' beautiful.
>It just seems like innocent, intimate love when she's a loli, but as soon as she grows people start to see it as something thats more romantic or even lewd
It kinda stays the same even in her older forms. It's just that the picture changes.
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>>161214841
Wow, I had forgotten how Araragi can be really fucking smooth sometimes.
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>>161214841
She's so innocent when it comes to things like this, it's so cute.
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>>161214712
>>161214622
Shinobu is essentially or she can be very lewd if she wants to. If you essentially get into a relationship, you kinda agree to become intimate with each other just like Araragi and Shinobu are. That intimacy can is always followed by romance and that can develop into lewd situations in the form of love. Deny one part is like denying that you like her.
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>>161214841
It's said that Kabuki anime failed to protray the beauty of middle school Shinobu, it was still more like cuteness. However, Kizu movie really made it.
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>>161215143
It's sad, l stuttered.
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>>161215057
Of course I know that rrgi and Shinobu probably are already very intimate when it comes to stuff like that, I myself just don't want to lewd her. That's the same reason why I don't really look up doujins of her, and even if, I'll most likely just pick an innocent, either romantic or intimate doujin to just read the story and the happy end for both of them. I just don't see her as a lewding object, but more as a... I can't really describe as what I see her. I guess, I just want her to be happy and as long as she's happy I'm happy too. Her and Araragi's relationship is just something special which I haven't seen before, which kind of makes me want to cherish it instead of just treating it like your standart relationship.
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>>161215185
>I just want her to be happy and as long as she's happy I'm happy to

That, my man, is exactly how true 120% distilled waifu feelings for Bat looks like. You did good here.
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>>161215185
>>I just want her to be happy and as long as she's happy I'm happy to
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>>161215346
>>161215436
>>161215185
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Why is Crab so shit?
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>>161216627
Because she's fucking retarded and her fanbase is just as retarded as her, so they can't defend her in waifuwars.
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I want Shinobu to win so bad
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>>161216703
I hope I will be in this board the day Shinobu wins.

Oh, it will be fun.
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>>161216703
She will most likely win, just by outliving or putting rrgi to a choice, which she probably wont do.
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>>161203726
Every time Shinobu is on screen I'm reminded of how perfect she is.
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>>161216766
She truly is perfection herself.
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>>161216766
She's too perfect
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>>161210403
That seems like a chore
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>>161199597
Wow she must have chose that italian guy over you.
BUT YOU WERE SUCH A NICE GUY!!!
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>>161199020
Well she does say Italia man, is that how you say Cassanova in japanese?
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>>161217953
Or is it Casanova?
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>>161200358
to my knowledge it's only french and italians that do, I'm pretty sure a german would beat the shit out of you with their gaze if you kissed their cheek.
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>>161217953
>>161218321
Or Kasanoba?
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>>161218387
They probably would group up on you and beat you half dead.
fucking cockroaches
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>>161203726
The scene that further solidified Shinobu as best Monogatari in my books.
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>>161218735
Agreed.
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honestly, all of the haremettes are good choices, but it comes down to hanekawa for life partner as she is smart, down to earth, mature, etc, and shinobu for the one you protect and love, and fug. Also fuck would be snail, crab, and gaen, because they all seem to have a fuck me nature to them, not joking but they all have had the fuck me eyes at times especially and appearance in general.
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Probably a reference to the movie Maladolescenza. Don't google it.
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>>161219595
what where shinobu stops trying to get him off?
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what is the amount of time that is usually between the anime releases, seasons i should say, because i assume this will get yet another season.
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>>161218321
It's casanova not cassanova
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>>161220039
Koyomi aired january last year, and owari august this year, so we'll probably get something next year too, if not next year, then early 2019
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>>161202831
Next you'll be telling me you've never eaten a bread sandwich before!
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>>161203773
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>>161220729
I realized what I typed. That sounds very misleading. It's just that with their relationship he just suprised her, she even closed her eyes on she realized what was happening. Also this was her first kiss, so going in so suddenly might make her kind of struggle in a state of shock.
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>>161208746
>Italians GOOD features

?
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>>161209585
>This is one of the reasons why foreigners think that our culture is very cold.

I thought it was the latitude.
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>>161213967
>webm's
>good job
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>>161198579
Imagine Araragi running a pizza delivery service

>one customer constantly stutters so you can't understand her order
>the next you is too nervous to speak and only moans into the phone
>the next one knows everything about pizza and explains to you why your menu is shit
>someone always wants a large tuna pizza
>there is this one fucking guy who orders tons of pizzas to a fake address
>Senjougahara calls like every five minutes
>your bet customer is some middle aged dude who orders two pizzas Hawaii because they go well with his shirt

Being Araragi-kun is suffering
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>>161214505
>she is like 170 in middle school age and 180 in high school age

My pants are shrinking.
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>>161221123
Kanbaru would sexually harass him, but order shittons of expensive pizza with her grandparents' money. Also, he always has someone to hang out with while on the job.
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>>161221210
The Arabaru-Pizza-Combo sounds nice
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>>161221167
She's a very big girl for her age.
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>>161221123
Don't forget the occasional pizza stealing shadow creature.
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>>161221467
Playing with the pizza stealing shadow creature would make every shift fun.
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>>161221683
but what would you play with her?
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>>161207830
I also think she's French, but that doesn't bar her from visiting Italy and getting to know the culture. Why would she say that line otherwise?
Also she didn't go for it first because it was not on her mind. The line is just the first thing she thought of in surprise.
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>>161221717
You can give her the toys from your Genki Gohan(™)
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>>161221746
Or you could buy her donuts and eat them with her while on your break.
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>>161221868
Just make a hole in the middle of the pizza and tell her it's a very special donut
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>>161221892
But she's even helping you with your shift, why not buy her a special Flocky Chou?
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>>161221717
>speed pizza making competitions
>knock the toupee off of the guy from corporate
>distract Araragi while he's taking orders
>make dumb contraptions from materials lying around
>who can molest the other's ribs and collarbones harder
>we're not going to sell donuts
>I'm serious
>we sell cinnamon sticks because they're just pizza dough with some cheap toppings
>no we can't afford a fryer
>make things look like a glitch in the matrix with vampire powers
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>>161221965
Tell her the donut store burned down and all the donuts are gone for the next 400 years
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>>161222012
:(
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>>161221983
Don't forget
>changing into a more grown up body and distracting araragi
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>>161222012
She's not that naive about human society.
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>>161221965
I'd headpat her
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>>161222085
We'll see if our boy Araragi is ready for that next level loyalty ritual.
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>>161222035
>>161222088
I am sorry. I feel bat now
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>>161221983
This sounds like genuine fun
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>>161222146
He definately is
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>>161222202
Agreed, I wish work would be this fun in real life too. Sadly nobody of us has his own cute shadow creature.
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>>161222342
Good coworkers can make things fun. Sure, you're never going to find anyone nearly as amazing as her, but you can still enjoy it.
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>>161221983
>sitting on Araragis lap while he's driving.
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>>161221983
but what would you do when his shift is over
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>>161221983
>molest the other's ribs
L-Lewd.
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>>161222516
There's even more opportunities then. Are you asking for another list or do you just want me to say "go to a hotel and have wild sex all night"?
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>>161222610
I'm asking for another list, not the lewd answer.
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>>161222625
>swing by Mister Donuts and get a discount for being such a frequent customer
>read and debate books
>come up with more hare-brained schemes to molest the fire sisters with brushes and vampire magic
>flop on top of each other in what looks like a tangled mess of limbs but is actually quite comfortable
>take a break from hanging out because Araragi has to study
>occasionally tease Araragi by going into teen form and pressing against him to make a comment, but let him get work done
>board games
>see if it's possible to share Araragi's shirt
>make Araragi a new shirt with vampire magic
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>>161222771
>flop on top of each other in what looks like a tangled mess of limbs but is actually quite comfortable
>see if it's possible to share Araragi's shirt
>make Araragi a new shirt with vampire magic
Cute . Thank you for providing another list my fantasy couldn't come up with senpai. Why can you think of cute and cozy things so much better than I can?
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>>161222771
>pressing against him
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>>161222035
>>161222088
>>161222012
>Tell her the donut store burned down and all the donuts are gone for the next 400 years
that would be a bad idea because she said this in nise. this is a rough translation but it would be really bad for us if, say, mister donut suddenly disappears.

>"Until now I still keep a secret with you. in five hundred years I have lived, in fact I had countless times to destroy the human race there. But, my master, now I can play with an emphatic oath in this place. If Mr.Donut still continue to exist, I will not destroy humanity! "
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>>161214622
The reverse for me, the younger she gets, the lewder she looks.
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>>161222942
>Until now I still kept something secret from you. In the five hundred years I lived, I had countless chances to destroy the human race right then and there! But, わがあるじさま, I can play with an emphatic oath in this place. If Mr. Donut continues to exist, I will not destroy humanity!
Just fixed it a bit, no offense.
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>>161222865
I dunno. I just come up with a bunch of ideas and see which ones stick out.
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Post cute bat.
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>>161223070
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>>161223069
It still worked. I'd like you to continue, but that's only if you'd like.
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>>161223070
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>>161199020
>Casanova
>Italian
[Venetian screeching]
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>>161223070
cute.
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>>161223070
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>>161223070
Shinobu is her CUTE baby blue steward dress.
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>>161223103
A few more before I go to bed:
>Araragi burying himself in Shinobu's hair
>he gets over enthusiastic and tangles himself in it
>planning a grand regional donut shop tour
>poking Shinobu in the nose for no particular reason
>she instinctively looks at the finger and goes cross eyed
>Araragi laying his head in Shinobu's lap
>talking about stupid things
>Shinobu makes him go cross-eyed this time
>talking about stupid things and flirting mildly until Araragi falls asleep
>Shinobu replaces her lap with a pillow using some crazy ninja move that doesn't disturb him
>covers Araragi with a blanket and turns off the lights
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>>161223425
>he gets over enthusiastic and tangles himself in it
>poking Shinobu in the nose for no particular reason
>she instinctively looks at the finger and goes cross eyed
>talking about stupid things and flirting mildly until Araragi falls asleep
CUTE
Thank you anon, hopefully I'll see you again in the next batgatari thread.
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CUTE bat cuddling her plushie.
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desu
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She wants the spicy sausage.
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She's asking if he's Italian.
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>>161224049
Holy shit that's so cute
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>>161208880
Holy fuck
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>>161224049
>>161224174
>>161223547
>>161223461
>>161223372
>>161223280
>>161223191
>>161223121
>>161223107
>>161223094
Post more, anons!
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>>161224664
got you
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Do you think Shinobu ate anyone in between getting separated from Araragi and bonding again?
How much time was in between?
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>>161224695
witch one do you like the most anons
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>>161222085
Can she change at will now? How?
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>>161224714
A day at best.
1 is completly horrible
2 is nearly the same
3 is bearable
4 is pretty cute
5 is even cutest
and 6 is also cute.
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>>161224773
>1 is completly horrible
>2 is nearly the same
>3 is bearable
>4 is pretty cute
>5 is even cutest
>and 6 is also cute.
Was meant for
>>161224715
Also
>>161224759
I don't think so.
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>>161224759
She did Change her age even without Araragi in Waza. If it get animated, you will see a lot different Shinobus.
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>>161224800
Wasn't Waza just her story on how she turend into a vampire?
>>161224715
Post more of choose one shinobu pictures.
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Can Monogatari vampires get pregnant?
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>>161224817
Yes. In Shinobus case she would probably get a full vamp child because Araragi is after all, even if not full, a vampire.
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>>161224816
No, it was3 stories. Kiss-Shot and her master, Shinobu helping Karen with different forms and vampire Hanekawa (blonde with golden eyes)
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>>161224849
>vampire hanekawa
I know that one, I made the spoiler in yesterdays thread after all.
But what the fuck do you mean by
>Shinobu helping Karen with different forms
Explain.
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>>161224816
dont have any more pick one sorry :3
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>>161224893
Thanks anyway.
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>>161224865
Karen went to wild mountains to do some stupid shit. Araragi asked Shinobu to follow Karen and protect her. Shinobu used different forms each time when she appears and helps Karen. Karen was convinced that there were a huge family of girls climbing the mountain with her.
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>>161224935
Holy shit, I need to read that. Karen Ogre, right?
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>>161224951
yes
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>>161224714
>Do you think Shinobu ate anyone in between getting separated from Araragi and bonding again?
>How much time was in between?
it was only for a few days. she has consumed one and not actually eat. she need to turn araragi again into her minion so they can do the pairing stuff again like in kizu. if she did not do that, araragi could not 'energy drain' her so she would be in her girl form again. not sure though how they manage to speed up the process this time around.
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>>161214081
I know that, I'm just saying that at that point in time, they both think the other views their relationship purely platonically.
Even if she does have romantic feelings for him in that scene, the "agreed upon" relationship between them is what makes the surprise.
The thing is, that in a series full of banter that's meant to tease or lead away from the important, the implications in Shinobu House and Kabuki are rather unclear.
The reason why I'm such a pain to convince is because I more like the idea of their relationship being platonic, which makes it more unique than it already is.
I'm not saying I'm right and I'm not saying you're right. There are a lot of things in Monogatari open to interpretation and I feel this is one of them.
For example, >>161214841
could very much be right by saying that Shinobu does not know the difference at all.
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Can Nisio vampires get pregnant?
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>>161225975
Where do you think Episode came from...
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>>161225975
>>161224832
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>>161226009
well usually it's a male vampire raping a human female
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>>161204947
D E A D
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>>161216703
Anon, she already won his heart.
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>>161214939

Smooth? That very picture you used is him going apeshit in his mind at the mere act of calling Hanekawa.

I think no matter how much time passes, she'll always be a holy existence to him. Like a mother. If even the part of him that Ougi was that wants to be in a rivalry can internally regret never getting a smile from her, you know it's true.
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>>161224951
>“Don’t put anything and everything in your mouth! This is why you get your teeth brushed by your brother!”
BAT
STOP
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>>161210403
typing a list of Popes or Pharaohs will be easier by the time it's done I reckon.
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>>161226751
Did Araragi put something else into her mouth?
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>>161223121
I like this one, feels like art from Musubi
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>>161226862
Who knows.
Though in that context she put something in her mouth that she got from Shinobu, a bear bell or something like that, because she thought it was candy.
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>>161226751
Is Shinobu jealous again? I think Ragi needs to brush her teeth
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>>161224759
>>161224800
>>161224816
She gets the ability to change at forms buy will. I heart she frequently goes 17
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>>161226937
Jeez, no. It's not like that.
As if she was trying to wrap up the discussion about the bears running away as fast as possible, the older girl handed me a small object—what is this, a piece of candy?

I popped it into my mouth.

“Idiot!”

She slapped me.

Not only have I been suplexed by this strange person, but now slapped as well—huh? Does this mean I still haven’t had nearly enough training? Or maybe this person does martial arts too?

She has a great figure, after all.

“Don’t put anything and everything in your mouth! This is why you get your teeth brushed by your brother!”

Hm? Did I tell her about that?

I must have told her earlier that I had a brother, so I suppose that’s something that typically happens with brothers and sisters.

It certainly happens in the Araragi household.

It happens.

Anyway, because of the slap, I spat out the object in my mouth.

It wasn’t candy.

It was a bell.

Not a handbell—a round bell.

“It’s called a bear bell. Attach it to your bag. It’ll jingle every time you take a step, so it should discourage the bears.”

Ah, I see.

There are some smart people in the world.

Whoever thought of this was a genius.
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>mfw in the world of Monogatari, it's totally possible that Araragi can be the one arresting you for being a pedophile.
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>>161226984
>I heart she frequently goes 17
I wonder for what purpose
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>>161226958

But then you have evidence of him admitting to wanting to purchase underage porngraphy, and video evidence of him molesting a 6 year old Hanekawa.

Heck, if you want to really grill him, tell him you'll find and show Hanekawa the footage, then he'll back down.
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>>161199154
that would be greek my man
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>>161227009
>>161226984
Probably to either tease araragi or to get some kind of advantage out of it? I'm not sure. She did use it in Karen Ogre for example to fool Karen. Though I have to admit reading what
>>161227003
posted, I can't wait for Wazamonogatari to get animated.
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>>161227003
It's totally like that. She wants some teethbrushing
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>>161204874
Is she retarded?
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>>161227046
>Probably to either tease araragi
I remember a scene in Kizu where Araragi was all nervous when talking to teenobu and then tried to hold himself from molesting her when she was asleep
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>>161227077
Shut up you bully. She's clumsy.
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>>161227008
-Saw a guy molesting little girls
-Called police
-See the criminal again
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>>161225442
You do realize there is a whole lot more to go on about then the examples I mentioned anon. Kiss-Shot/Shinobu's feelings were ever platonic towards Araragi. I don't think if you know, but in Kizu, Kiss-Shot expressed bitterness at the believe she as a person was not special to Araragi. What Kiss-Shot did in Route X was litterally a fucking confession. It's right in your face ano. All I see you doing is turning your head around and simply ignoring it.

Shinobu's feels towards Araragi were long since accepted to be romantic anon.
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>>161227106
I remember a scene like that too, though that was not in the movie, right?
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>>161227120
>saw a guy molesting little girls
>called the local police
>that guy picks up the phone
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>>161227151
wew
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>>161227151
>saw a guy molesting a loli
>try to call the police
>he starts handcuffing the loli
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>saw a guy molesting little girls
>I am pretty disgusted
>talked with some people about it
>investigation
>they put a cop stationed in the local preschool so the molester can't attack them too
>the cop is Araragi
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>>161227143
Nah, they cut it. They cut too much shit tbqhfyi, especially with best girls like Bat and Monkey, that's why Shaft's adaptations are so terrible to me, that and mischaracterization along with bad emotional portraits. Kizu of course was good it at least tried to "adapt" it, but still.
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>>161227235
>see molester
>go into a coffee shop and call the police
>get out of the coffee shop
>police arrives on bike and takes the little girl back to the station
>this happens
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>>161227003
I want a full summary of that, anon.
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>>161227328
Nah, I'm not the summary anon, I'm just some idiot too retarded to speak nippon so he looked up a half finished translation.
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Summary of Shinobumonogatari(Never)
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>>161225442
>he reason why I'm such a pain to convince is because I more like the idea of their relationship being platonic, which makes it more unique than it already is.
>There are a lot of things in Monogatari open to interpretation and I feel this is one of them
Sounds to me like you're just trying to fool yourself into believing this anon. It's really not open for interpretation. Don't take this the wrong way, but you are pulling some mental gymnastics in order to convince yourself like this. You do remember what happened when Doll kissed him and how Shinobu reacted to that? Or just like how this anon mentioned>>161227139 that Kiss-Shot in Route X basically confessed her feelings towards Araragi. Or how she pressured him multiple times with the question "Who is most important to you?" While the readers may know the answer it's different for the characters in the series. Denying Shinobu's feelings, is kinda the same as denying we need oxygen to survive. Both are pretty fucking obvious.
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I like 17 years old Shinobu the best. Truly majestic.
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>>161227263

If you're smart, you can at least get the nuances they wanted to get across with Shinobu and Kanbaru, since they are so in your face about it.

What I feel they really failed is the nuances about his friendship with Hanekawa and it's complexities. Hell, there is so much really meaty stuff behind that "I win" that she gives at the end of Ougi Dark that drives home so many things you find out with Ougi's reveal.

Let's not even begin to talk about how badly they fucked up the stuff at the end of Tsubasa Tiger and the letter.
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>>161227543
That 18 year old shinobu. This is the 17 year old version
>>161215185
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Do Arararagi and Crab ever break up in the later books?
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You guys just need a translation of Shoujo fujuubun, where Nisio literally said He wrote a story about a Vampire falls in love with a Hyprocite
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>>161227636
Yeah, like 3 times.
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>>161225975
>>161226246
shinobu has another special means to pro-create aside from conventional means. ougi was actually something that came out of shinobu. araragi just influenced her personality to some extent by his "self-criticism". unlike other oddities like kako who is really a part of hanekawa, ougi is a seperate entity from araragi. she actually has a body and not some kind of apparition so everybody could see her like shinobu. quotes from gaen.

>“With how hard Shinobu-san has exploited her matter creation skill up ’till now, it would be totally feasible for her to create an oddity, a high school girl, or whatever else.

>“Basically, the last name ‘Oshino’ doesn’t come from Meme Oshino, but from Shinobu Oshino. If you take into consideration that you and Shinobu Oshino are essentially one in body and soul, you could consider Ougi Oshino to be your joint production.
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>>161227658
I still don't understand that, finished almost all monogatari series(except Koyomi and Owari 2) and they weren't even close to break up. Not even once. How come they're so unstable later in books?
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>>161227658
any particular reasons?
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>>161227703
It turns out that Araragi is a terrible boyfriend. Who knew?
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>>161227756
>>161227703
I don't know when or why, I just know that in Musubi Oikura listened to his relationship problems and said something with "not breaking up for the 4th time"
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>>161227756
Career, Araragi wants to work at his town but Hitagi got really good offer outside the country. Sodachi, she was living in Araragi's house again for a while and Hitagi can't allow that to happen. Forget about another one
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>>161226751
>>161226937
>Is Shinobu jealous again? I think Ragi needs to brush her teeth
shinobu is exhibiting some type of jealousy to karen. we can see this by comparing how she treated karen in karen brushing and how she treated tsukihi in tsukihi brushing. though she helped karen in karen ogre, the slap says something else.

excerpt posted here >>161227003

araragi need to put himself together then avoid doing stuff that somehow infuriates shinobu to some extent.
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>>161227818
He had a loli to take care of from the beginning, which he just grew closer with the longer took care of her, she was doomed from the beginning.
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>>161227848
Seriously, having her in his shadow and still doing that shit with his sisters, hes a fucking asshole.
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>>161227827
>>161227831
Thank you.
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It's interesting that Shinobu and Hitagi both really strict about Araragi being to close with other girls but they just ignore each other.
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extra loli vs loli vs teen vs adult, which is best bat?
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>>161201693
>>161218387
People do that in UK a lot
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>>161228029
Who is extra loli? Kizu loli?
I'd probably pick normal loli form.
>>161228010
bat could honestly just make rrgi pick and he'd choose bat. Though she probably doesn't have the courage to do so, or as to not make rrgi mad.
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Reminder.
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>>161228337
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>>161218592
yes it's カサノバ
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>>161228010
Well, of course Crab knows that if she even tries to make Araragi choose between her and Bat, rrgi would choose Bat every time without a second's pause.
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>>161228418
>>161228337
What do you think her last words were?
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>>161228480
She probably doesn't. The last time they had a conversation about Shinobu, Araragi told her that she was "nothing" and that was that.

Crab might know that they're close but I don't think she knows that much.
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>>161228487
Or of course;
"I was never better than Shinobu for you."
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>>161228487
I dont know if that's even the speech bubble for her last words but the right one says something with "but" so idk
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>>161228574
That's pretty much the doujin is trying to say at that scene.
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>>161228650
She said I don't want do die
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>tfw Shinobu is so kind and caring she never tells Araragi to ditch his crab
She's too pure for this world
Meanwhile Crab infuriates Araragi with calling her a "loli slave"
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>>161228673
Holy shit, are you kidding me? That was actually what I hoped were her last words. Though shouldn't there be the mention of "しのぶ" or the heart-under-blade kanji? 忍 I think was it, if I'm not mistaken.
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>>161228776

>the doujin is trying to say at that scene.
He meant the doujin, not the exact words of crab , you idiot.
>>161228737
She's as pure as you can get.
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>>161228673
Of course the actual doujin is crabfaggotry to the end.
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>>161221167
Fully formed Kiss Shot is 2m tall (6ft7in). Shinobu is a big girl.
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>>161228776
Although that's not her last word. But the story is she feels she is horrible person and decide to sucide when Araragi going to tell his story and realationship with Shinobu. You words are kind like what Hitagi was thinking although she didn't say.
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>>161228514
Yeah, I think people grossly overestimate how much Crab knows about Bat. Crab intentionally keeps her distance from the topic of Bat.
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>>161228864
So basically she's too weak to take what Shinobu had to endure all the time? Awesome, I like that doujin already.
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>>161228737

When there is literally no downside and you can get the cuddles and affection you want, whenever you want, and just relax at your leisure, it much easier than it would be in most relationships.

Most relationship counselors would day that to make any polyamorous relationship work, you got to acknowledge and respect your partner's partner. This here is the standard and ultimately ineffective "I'll ignore that other person's existence until I'm forced to acknowledge it".

When the inevitable confrontation happens though, it'll probably be Hanekawa smoothing it over, Team Mom that she is.
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>>161229037
I hope she doesn't. I seriously hope rrgi is put to a choice.
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>>161229099
The tears from the crabfags will nurture me for weeks if it happens.
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>>161229168
Knowing Ararararagi, it's a big question who will burst in tears and consider suicide.
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>>161228107
>Though she probably doesn't have the courage to do so, or as to not make rrgi mad.
He has no right to get mad. He's committed himself to Shinobu before he met Hitagi and once more after. He should fucking take responsibility. I don't believe Shinobu would ever do something that would make Araragi upset, but she might snap and just tell him to choose one in the future. But both Araragi and Shinobu keep saying shit: "in the future, to a better future"
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>>161229168
Just imagine crabfags trying to fight it and just getting BTFO with 3 words.
>Crab has lost
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>>161229099

Oh, I never said he wouldn't make a choice, but Cat would be there to make sure it stays civil and ends amicably.

While Araragi fumbles and bumbles, and then gets to say a cool line at the end that makes people forget he was a moron a second ago.
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>>161229226
My dick would be hard enough to cut the reality itself by then.
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Senjo's mom was in love with another guy and using him to get rid of the religion stuff they encountered. Her mom is living a happy life now just like her. That Makes her think she was using Araragi to get rid of the crab. Just like how much she hates her mom, she hates herself for being totally same as her mom. She also feels guilty about Kaiki thing happened in Nise. That's why she think herself a horrible person and not deserve the love from Araragi.
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>>161229212
>I don't believe Shinobu would ever do something that would make Araragi upset, but she might snap and just tell him to choose one in the future.
she snapped a little to karen in "karen ogre". karen had a nice big slap on her face. >>161227003. that was just araragi brushing karen's teeth (and probably more that we don't know about). shinobu's double meaning words.

>“Don’t put anything and everything in your mouth! This is why you get your teeth brushed by your brother!”
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>>161229168
It's funny how that entire delusion in Araragi's head was like this:
>Bat: You meet her
>Teen (12): Spend time with her playing
>Teem (17): You give her flowers/confess
>Adult: Marriage
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>>161229212
Like how fucking retarded can he get? They break up 3 fucking times and even if he pretty much married Shinobu at the end of Owari 2 he considers fucking Marriage for a broken relationship. It's not gonna work out anyway but holy shit you have to be a special kind of retarded to come to that conclusion. Honestly I hope crap just snaps and puts rrgi to a choice, immediately losing because him and bat are literally bonded for life, would make it just that tad bit more bitter for crab.
>>161229239
Honestly, without Hanekawa's interception it would probably end up in one of them attacking first and crab dying, because let's be honest a human like her can never beat even a very very weak vampire.
>>161229278
I'd fucking rip apart my own body with my own fucking mind if that happens.
>>161229290
Alright, thanks for a bit clearer translation.
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>>161229377
Damn, I never noticed that, it makes sense
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>>161229290

Well she does admit to herself in Nise and Neko White to Araragi and Hanekawa privately that she still hasn't forgiven herself about her mother, so it's an interest premise Nisio could look into, kinda surprised he won't cover that. Maybe because he needs Gahara to maintain that strong facade or fans will get pissed?

That the summary of that doujin Bloody Okojo did?
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>>161229377
You're right. That makes that scene just so much more adorable.
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Lolipire a cute
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>>161229381
Araragi will always choose Shinobu above everyone, that is given. Just like he did in Shinobu Mail and just like he did in Owari. If Hitagi ever approuches the subject of removing Shinobu from her life, then that is where Hitagi loses.This is no opinion, simply a fact. But I don't believe Nisio will approach this issue this way.

Araragi can life without Hitagi in his life, but he refuses to do so without Shinobu.
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>>161229373
I swear if rrgi is getting too careless she might just really snap.
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>>161229381
Crab x Bat full on brawl with Crab being smashed like a bitch because Shinobu is just that powerful.

In the end, Crab will come crying for Araragi and complaining about the fact that she had her ass trashed like a ginger stepchild, thinking that Araragi would be sad about this.

Yet, Araragi can't say that Bat did something wrong or even utter a harsh word about her because he can't live without Shinobu.

I will let Nisio have my fucking firstborn if he writes that.
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>>161229588
>or even utter a harsh word about her
I think he can atleast still do that, as long as he's on Shinobus side, he could probably even be a bit sad, and I think bat would understand because bat loves him after all
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I'm honestly glad that I stopped being a crabfag after kizu novel, they get shat on like it's nothing, this is hilarious, can't even reply properly
>>161229208
What did he mean by this?
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>>161229662
>>161229588
Knowing Araragi and seeing this scenario, Araragi would get upset at both of them for fighting. He'll ask them why they fought in the first place.
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>>161229662
I was kind of hyperbolizing here, I am talking about a really harsh dressing down that would make Shinobu really sad and hurt her.
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>>161229769
>I am talking about a really harsh dressing down that would make Shinobu really sad and hurt her.
Then that makes me wonder whatever Crab could say that would make Shinobu that mad. It would be mostly the other way around where Shinobu simply talks Hitagi down and she gets mad. Shinobu can get really harsh when she wants to.
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>>161229768
I think he will criticizes himself first for fucking two timing
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>he literally is with bat all the time
>every day
>every night
>every hour
>every second
>people are implying that he has done nothing lewd to a very cute vampire who can actually shift her body into different ages, pretty much being exactly what araragi lusts for at the time
It's a harsh fact, but other girls can unironically not compare against her, they might have one body, but shinobu has all of them.
>>161229716
He actually think's hes not going to choose the one he met first, has a way deeper connection with, the one who literally knows what hes thinking about, having never willingly broken up, not like crab.
>>161229768
I'm implying a full blown choice
>I've had enough, master, you may choose me, your companion in life and death, and abandon that crab girl, or you'll choose your human girlfriend, abandoning me.
>S-Shinobu can't we...
>No, master. I've had enough of you cheating on me, you either make a choice, or I'll go there myself.
He could literally not pick crab, no matter how much he'd like to
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>>161229833
>>161229769
Honestly, if she actually said something to make bat so mad, she engages into battle, the chance of crabs survival are pretty low.
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>>161229588
>Yet, Araragi can't say that Bat did something wrong or even utter a harsh word about her because he can't live without Shinobu.

This is where the crux of the issue lies. Everyone involved has to acknowledge and accept all sides in a multi-faceted relationship, and Araragi doesn't have the will to really do that, and has for the most part been bailed out of the consequences, because Hitagi agrees with his lifestyle to a point (or forces herself to) and was always going for her career, thereby their space was seperate and they lived seperately. It's very much she is giving and giving, and he is mostly passive.

But if he is planning marriage to Hitagi, the cracks will start to show, since you have less distance than a dating couple in college or just starting careers. Marriage means he is planning to include her fully into his life, and I still think he doesn't understand what that means.
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Both of them won't start this fight, it sounds too stupid. If Crab doesn't do anything she still is Araragi's girl friend. If Shinobu doesn't do anything she still is Araragi's most important one in life.
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>>161229937
It'd be quite interesting to see the conflict evolve, if he were to engage in marriage with her. Though Nisio is probably not going to write about that for years.
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>>161229538
>If Hitagi ever approuches the subject of removing Shinobu from her life, then that is where Hitagi loses.
in hitagi renzdenvous, hitagi's tongue slipped and called shinobu a "blonde loli slave" in front of araragi. though araragi did not get vocal about it, he did no like it a bit. we had similar case for ononoki when she called shinobu a "old hag". araragi asked her to not call shinobu like that again.

>“I suppose so. Taking your blonde loli slave and Hachikuji-chan into consideration, I’m sure that will be the case. With Hachikuji-chan in particular, the reality of things is that Gaen-san is more or less holding her hostage.”

>I’m not sure I like the way she phrased that (I don’t like the way she phrased “blonde loli slave” either), but she has a point.
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>>161220928

The best part about eyeties is how easy it is to mistake them for Lebs
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>>161229994
And women are rational exactly when?
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>>161214841
Wait a minute what novel is this?
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>>161229994
But you can't prevent it, it will happen eventually.
>>161230005
Of course crab has to be the one who insults Shinobu first.
>>161230042
Kabukimonogatari
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>>161230036
Shinobu seems to be quite rational about Araragi's affairs with women mostly. She just loves him and considers him to be her literal husband, she's an obediapent type, old-fashioned
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>>161230005
It's quite cool to see how he reacts to her saying he have hostages ("I am NOT SURE if I like..."), but then reacts with total certainty about the second part ("I don't like the way she phrased...").
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I wish I could see Peroragi change his age to shota or grown man for a period of time.
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>>161230098
Shinobu can be rational, but Crab really isn't.
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>>161230098
>>161230110
Deep down they're already husband and wife, araragi is just cheating around way too much.
>>161230133
Of course she can, I mean she has 500 years of life experience, how can a 18 year old teenager girl even compare? Crab just can't stand a chance in most categories.
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>>161229833
>Then that makes me wonder whatever Crab could say that would make Shinobu that mad.
there is a fanfiction where shinobu confronted hitagi. hitagi was about to slap araragi real hard and then shinobu stopped hitagi. while shinobu was all crying about it, araragi comforted her. hitagi hated seeing how close shinobu&araragi was and said something like - so that is what is going on between you two. things got sour after that.
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>>161230192
Link or name, please?
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>>161230192
So crab is playing the jealous villain? I like it.
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>>161230098
>she's an obediapent type, old-fashioned
This is actually a good point. Some anons said that the way Shinobu calls him ''mu master'' can be actually understood as ''my husband'' in older languages
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>>161230246
Well I guess in a way a vampiric bond between vampires, especially between these two, can be seen as a bond of trust in life and death.
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>>161230246
Seeing how Shinobu understands the deep bond between master and servant, which is kinda obvious by the way she sees Araragi, it's even more important and intimate than a mere husbando thing.
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>>161229994

This is the realm of feelings anon, not robotic logic.

And this is a very new relationship, for all people involved, with its own flaws and imperfections. For the stability of things to work out fully, they can't be "I'm his this and you're his that and never the two shall meet" because when marriage starts, when families converge, when children are born, and those children have children, these three will be together, like it or not. So it has to be acknowledged, there is no, "you go your way, and I'll go mine" because they are/will be in the same place.

Not even going into dealing with Araragi's constitution in later years with neighbors, with family, with friends, it's something you gotta deal with sooner rather than later.

Of course, Araragi/Nisio has the "get out of jail free" card of Hanekawa. I think Araragi even says this at one point.
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>>161218387
Don't know if Germans do it, but here in Austria we definitely do.
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>>161230276
>>161230295
Vampires don't like making thralls in general. It's a act you don't just pull with anyone for most vampires. In Shinobu's life there were only two instances where she trusted someone enough to turn them. The first one insulted her and trew himself into the sun and the other is Araragi. But a thrall does not have to essentially mean anything like this>>161230276 That's mostly depended on the persons involved. Nisio still uses some old-fashioned style around Shinobu, so those hints as in ''my master'' or not just by coincidence
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Does vampire have pusspuss?
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What did Araragi mean by this?
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>>161230370
>where she trusted someone enough to turn them
Actually, she turned Seishirou into a vampire out of grief, her village and worshippers got killed and all that was left was his hand torn from his body. She was on the North Pole at the time and bit into this hand, reviving him into a vampire. She also said she was lonely and hoped Seishirou would be her company, but she made a mistake.
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>>161230133

Shinobu can be rational to a point like any of the characters, primarily because she has such broken abilities that mean she doesn't have to be rational.

And when Kanbaru hit her with the truth, something her abilties can't do anything about, she damn near smashed her head in.

Didn't Nisio have that chart where Shinobu has some of the greatest power of Nisio's characters, but is fragile despite that?
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>>161230363
I am really wondering what will happen if all three live together in one house.
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>>161230533
Yeah, she had the gretest power but was really sensitive.
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>>161230558
That will probably not happen, as soon as they try, there'll probably be a conflict coming.
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>>161230533
That ties in with her backstory, her curse, something she couldn't do anything about, something that made her want to die, something that destroyed her life and killed everyone she loved. It's quite understandable why she is unstable about things she can't deal with. Seems like Nisio actually tried to make a good character.
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>>161230217
>>161230220
>Link or name, please?
just search this "shinobu&hitagi's - confrontation" in google.
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>>161230558

Conflict, which can be a good thing.They can't hide from each other now. Can't have "secret time" that the other partner won't know aboit. And Araragi won't be able to double dip by having their affections to himself coasting on the status quo.
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>>161230533
>but is fragile despite that?
Already know this. Kiss-Shot was essentially a very broken person when Araragi met her. So broken in fact, that she asked him for attention in the form of a headpat in a roundabout way. She's been miserable for hundreds of years. >>161230478 This also very much affected here. Not being able to even share or be in anyone company because they either try to kill you or are simply to afraid of you.

In route X Shinobu completely broke when the world took away her last piece of happiness. The last thing she cared about. It became to much on her and she took her anger out on the world which wronged her so badly. Of course the Shinobu in our timeline can never become that Shinobu, since by beaing with Araragi for almost a year she has somewhat recovered.
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>>161229377
Is bat the pinnacle of beauty anons?
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>>161230977
maybe
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>>161230977
She literally is, both in soul and body
I'm not even memeing, she canonically is
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>>161230716
>hitagi, on the other hand, punched a hole in my stomached and pulled my organs out just because she was irritated
Jesus fucking Christ, fucking psycho cunt.
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>>161231033
I'm not sure what message this image is trying to convey - especially because Bat shouldn't have a reflection.
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>>161230716
Fucking Senjougahara I swear
That was golden, anon, thank you.
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So this is about a dude choosing between true human love and weird oddity love? Nisio is just insane enough to give each character decent depth with their own verbal patterns and what not
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>>161231073
Also because bat shouldn't get fat. She's a vamp after all.
>>161231117
This, even though the fan fiction lacked a bit in english, it was still quite enjoyable to see crab suffer.
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>>161231034
The beautiful soul is in heaven and Araragi going to do some lewd thing to it(as l heard)
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>>161231182
Well there is a scene where Araragi supposedly meets Princess Acerola, Shinobu's former human self, in heaven and does very lewd things with her while kissing her. I'd still give my soul to exactly know what's going on in this scene but I guess the anons who know just won't tell anybody.
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Actually l am happy about Kiss-Shot abandoned her human part, which is a kinda boring character since it's totally perfect from inside to outside
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>>161231259
>which is a kinda boring character
DELET
DELET IT THIS INSTANT
She had a fucking tragic life man, if anything, the story about her and Deathtopia sounds really interesting, especially since Deathtopia is actually coming back in Shinobumonogatari and Monster Season in general.
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>>161231148
>So this is about a dude choosing between true human love and weird oddity love?
No, anon that is not what it is about? Why are you even making a fucking difference between the two?
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>>161231148
No.. not at all, what are you even talking about senpai?
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>>161231148
>So this is about a dude choosing between true human love and weird oddity love?
>true human love
>weird oddity love
No, anon it's just one thing.
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>>161231289
Deathtophia is a very interesting character, it's true. However the thing about Princess Acelora being too damn beautiful from soul and have to find a way to stop people suicide for her just sounds like a too wierd. Deathtophia did has very good interactions with the Princess but the princess herself was just a good girl who wants to help others.
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>>161230672
>It's quite understandable why she is unstable about things she can't deal with.
>>161230776
>Already know this. Kiss-Shot was essentially a very broken person when Araragi met her.

that is right! he knows that shinobu's soul can easily get shattered and he has to be there with her to support her.

that said, i doubt that araragi will do something drastic like marrying hitagi without consulting with shinobu first. if nisio would just have hitagi&shinobu shake hands like it was not big deal for araragi to marry hitagi and the three of them living under the same roof, that would be surreal. there should be a dialogue first.

kabuki - 019
>"Uu", after emitting a moan so, Shinobu put all your weight on me.
>The reason for her discomfort to this not because we have surveyed the whole town under glaring sunlight --- She was upset emotionally.
>In fact, although she lived five hundred years, not whether she lived six hundred years away, but in fact it is true that having lived six hundred years, Shinobu's spirit is extremely weak so --- Anyway, in the past, she also had a suicide attempt.
>This situation, this truth.
>For Shinobu that said --- Maybe she felt more pressure than me.
>Whether she saw countless destroyed country, countless political institutions disappear --- That does not mean she will be able to resist forming and receiving the destruction as a normal thing.
>Rather then ...
>I think it's quite the opposite in fact
>These experiences can become the trauma of her only.
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Can a simple Japanese girl protect her virginity in Italy?
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>>161231148
It's about a a man in denial finally accepting his feelings and choosing between two girls instead of ignoring it. There is no ''true human love'' or ''weird oddity love'', whatever the fuck those two things are.
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>>161231547
Well that just adds to her tragedy, not only losing the first thrall she made, but also having a cursed human life too. Even if the Princes herself is not really that interesting, I think Shinobumonogatari is definately building on Acerola Bon appétit
>>161231592
I seriously hope Araragi is just not even gonna try to marry her, she was through so much, she doesn't deserve getting second place from Araragi.
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So what about that "Acerola in heaven" part? Did Shinobu somehow kill her memories of the past and they manifested themselves as her human form? Did she split her soul? If so, why did Nisio write about her having a pure heart 600 years later as if she was still the same? She has little memories about her past, although she does recall some things. Maybe thematically speaking, this time Nisio wants to talk about remembering your past, rather than forgetting it, as he commented in afterword for Owari? Why would her human part, which is pure in the purest way possible, do lewd things with Araragi? Did she know Araragi? Does that mean she's connected to herself on the Earth?
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>>161231225
>>161231182
>>161231259
>>161231289
i hope that the two parts of shinobu will combine again (they must). shinobu keeps forgetting things and she lost most of her human emotions because she is missing half of herself. princess acerola is lonely in heaven because she died without having her wish fulfilled.

that is really tragic for both of them.
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>>161231792
>she lost most of her human emotions
Nani? Are you retarded?
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>>161231689
It's more like they're 2 different persons.
She gave her humanity, turning herself into a vampire by the bite of Deathtopia, to not only try to stop her curse, but also to make the lifes sacrificed for her worth something, in this case, turning them into food for her. This made her human self go to heaven, because Princess Acerola, as we know her, sacrificed her humanity for others and died on that day. She turned into Kiss-Shot Acerola-Orion Heart-Under-Blade, the cold-blooded, warm-blooded and iron-blooded vampire.
Sadly, I'm too retarded of a person to know nippon that well, I can't tell you what exactly they talked about while he was in heaven, I guess she just kind of knew who he was? Her prince? I mean Shinobu did once say "There is nothing lewd about kisses" Which Araragi thought was a very pure thing to say, so maybe that's why they started kissing? I honestly can only guess, it'd be really helpful if some anon could explain that passage to us.
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>>161217356
anon he's talking about snail.
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>>161228480
Why can't people enjoy Crab and Bat at the same time? Let alone all of the other girls.

Why does it always have to be waifu wars?

Clearly we see who the MC believes are the best girls anyway
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>>161231792
>shinobu keeps forgetting this
That's not because she lost her human self though, that's just because she already lived like 6 times her human life span as a vampire.
>lost most of her emotions
That's just nost true.
>princess Acerola is lonely in heaven
We can't really know that without some anon telling us what happened there.
>without having her wish fulfilled.
She actually did, though. Her wish was to make the lifes she takes not be for nothing. Sure, ideally it was not taking any lifes with her beauty, but she changed it a bit.
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>>161231887
>sacrificed her humanity
And what exactly is humanity in Monogatari? Isn't Shinobu herself humane? What does it mean for a former human to be a vampire? The amount of questions that arise is atrocious. How can one "kill" humanity inside of him? Moreover, your humanity shows itself through your thoughts and actions, it's your behavior and the way you see the world. What exactly is Acerola in heaven?
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>>161231989
>Clearly we see who the MC believes are the best girls anyway
Yes, we clearly know. It's mot even waifu wars fagopt, you are the only one bringing this up right now. It's no opinion, it's a fact anon. If push came to shove and Araragi was pressured into a decision, he'd choose Shinobu anything everywhere. Since to him the little girls called Oshino Shinobu is more important thenm his own heard. Since the man called Araragi Koyomi sees no future for himself without her. Since the man doesn't want to live without her.

Araragi can live without Hitagi but he refuses to do so without Shinobu.
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>>161231825
Snail is like a dog who is happy to see you whenever you happen to come by and play with you with rubbing and licking action going on.
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Why are you guys fighting about this when it's clear that he's gonna marry Hachikuji in the end?
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>>161232134
Anon, it's not that hard to think about it. It's not essentially that becoming a vampire undid the curse. Shinobu killer her humanity herself. She started to think of herself as a vampire, as a monster. Just like she said in Kizu to Araragi: "I am a vampire"
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>>161231887
that separation if really bizarre. shinobu is an incomplete person without her human part. it's like the real acerola died and shinobu is nothing more than a shell. i hope that araragi's astro traveling purpose is to merge shinobu's two existence into one again.
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>>161232214
But there has been no fighting or any waifu wars this whole thread. What the fuck are you talking about?
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>>161232134
I don't know alright? Araragi supposedly lost his humanity when he turned into a tree in Kizu to save Hanekawa, he lost his Humanity when he reestablished the bond with Shinobu. It means that he basically goes by the rules of a vampire, meaning not doing his job as a vampire would probably result in the darkness appearing. One can kill his humanity if he decides to lose it, wether if its for the good of others or because you just don't want to be human anymore. Yes it does, so turning into a vampire, not going into the sun, sucking blood are actions which are not considered human, i.e turning you more into a vampire. I still dont fucking know what Acerola is in heaven, I'm looking everywhere for spoilers, but I can't find shit.
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>>161232247
Yeah she was incomplete, but as soon as Kiss-Shot was born Shinobu turned into Kiss-Shot, there for turning into something complete again, her human self died, is dead, and will not come alive again.
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>>161232334
I am sorry but this whole post is so fucking wrong and retarded on so many levels
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>>161232366
How the fuck is it retarded? Acerola has nothing to do with Kiss-Shot or Shinobu. The moment she became Kiss-Shot, Acerola was gone. Why else would she get a new name from her vampire master? Because she exists as an apparation now.
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>>161231033
so Dorian Gray wasn't the only one who got that artist to paint a picture of?
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>>161232003
>That's not because she lost her human self though, that's just because she already lived like 6 times her human life span as a vampire.
that is not only it. she can't remember anything before she turned into a vampire because her human part is gone. her existence literally split into two.
>lost most of her emotions
>That's just nost true.
she can't interact well with other people because she lost her humanity, it it logical to say that part of human emotions are lost too.
>princess Acerola is lonely in heaven
>We can't really know that without some anon telling us what happened there.
probably, but just that lewd kiss everybody is talking about, she seems lonely enough to actually do that. some speculate that shinobu and the princess has some connection and the princess have seen araragi through shinobu's eyes.
>without having her wish fulfilled.
>She actually did, though. Her wish was to make the lifes she takes not be for nothing. Sure, ideally it was not taking any lifes with her beauty, but she changed it a bit.
that does not include her dying. if it was, she would have killed herself already. instead she traveled across counties probably in hopes to find someone to remove the curse from her. she even aggreed to live with suicide-master in her castle. I don't see her wanting to be dead there.
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>700 years old vampire
>Blushes and gets embarrassed because some japanese highschooler kisses you
I hate this kind of shit.
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>>161232414
>Acerola has nothing to do with Kiss-Shot or Shinobu
What? It was Acerola who decided to become a vampire, it was Acerola who got bitten by Deathtopia, and it was Acerola who left the Corpse Castle as a vampire.
>The moment she became Kiss-Shot, Acerola was gone.
Not true, since the curse was still intact when she left the castle as a vampire, as stated by Deathtopia in Acerola Bon Appetite
>Why else would she get a new name from her vampire master?
Because that's Deathtopia's fetish, she thinks vampire names should be cool, she literally talks about it the whole first chapter
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>>161232414
>How the fuck is it retarded?
Well this is for example:
>but as soon as Kiss-Shot was born Shinobu turned into Kiss-Shot
And this:
>there for turning into something complete again, her human self died, is dead, and will not come alive again.
>Turning into something complete ''again''
Princess Acerola became Kiss-Shot. This is not turning into something complete again. It's far more likely Shinobu lost her humanity throughout her living as a vampire instead of becoming a vampire. Kiss-Shot started to think of herself as something not human anymore, but a monster, which essentially killed her humanity.
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>>161232552
Could you imagine the person living in your shadow that you thought was a manlet coward to have a rocking body and not afraid to molest a little girl?
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>>161200358

Nope.
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>>161232498
Jesus fucking Christ dude, can you actually stop? It might be the lack of sleep I'm having but you're talking complete bullshit.
>she can't interact well with other people
YEAH MAYBE BECAUSE SHE SPEND LIKE IDK 400 YEARS ONLY HAVING MINIMAL CONTACT TO HUMANS?
>that lewd kiss
WE DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT IT, STILL, STOP SPECULATING.
>>161232552
Then fuck you.
>>161232595
Then it fucking disappeared over the years when she turned more and more into a vampire, changes nothing.
What is this shitty excuse of a "lol shinobu is not her full self" theory? This is the first time I've fucking heard of it.
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>>161232673
She should have known that he likes to molest little girls considering he does it to Snail all the time.
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>>161232498
>she can't interact well with other people because she lost her humanity, it it logical to say that part of human emotions are lost too.
It's not though, it is very much not. Saying this is like saying you haven't read the novels anon. What do you describe ''human emotions'' as anon? Sadness? Happiness? Fear? Joy? Disgust? Surprise? Trust? Anticipation? Anger? Shame? Envy? Love?

Most of these emotions have all been expressed by Kiss-Shot/Shinobu.
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>>161232552
When she is in full power you can only see Araragi blushing like a little girl. Her personality changes according to the form she has.
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>>161232498
>she can't interact well with other people because she lost her humanity, it it logical to say that part of human emotions are lost too.
Because she lived ISOLATED from humanity and other people for ''hundreds'' of years anon.
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>>161232809
>Her personality changes according to the form she has
Not really. Even Araragi said her personality didn't change no matter what form she is in.
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>>161232809
Does loli shinobu acts like a little girl to you? She retains all her memories and general behavior in loli form, so this explanation makes no sense.
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What do you think Shiraragi would do when he find out that crab and her ex-boifrend were plotting behind his back?
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If you read the novel you will know that Shinobu consider human as lower creature and don't really want to talk with them. Araragi mentioned it in Shinobu mail when him and Kanbaru meet Shinobu in the park.
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>>161232980
>"Wait so you got absolutely mad at me for doing the same shit you did for the same reasons because you were afraid I'd misunderstand, just like I''d thought you'd misunderstand"
Like this
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>>161232980
He knows. Watch Mayoi Hell
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>>161233015
Yeah and if you read the newest novel you might just fucking know that he actually asked that question again but sadly didn't get a fucking answer because Deathtopia was resurrecting.
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>>161233015
>If you read the novel you will know that Shinobu consider human as lower creature and don't really want to talk with them. Araragi mentioned it in Shinobu mail when him and Kanbaru meet Shinobu in the park
Deathtopia thought her the take pride in the fact that she is a vampire, since she highly valued this herself. Somewhere along her journey as a vampire Shinobu started to think of herself as a vampire/ a monster. This is how she she probably killed her inner most beautiful self and undid the curse. Where only her outer perfection remained and the inner one became ''more normal" in fact. Less perfect
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Weird oddity love is sharing blood and having an ageless vampire living in your shadow that feels everything you do. Shinobu and Araragi CLEARLY have a different relationship than that of a typical one. The story is about how he grows to genuinely love a vampiric god.
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>>161232962
Adult Shinobu is certainly more aggressive, don't you see that? Araragi is always the active one when they get along, but in adult form it just opposite.
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>>161233015
Araragi asked Shinobu this question again. In Kizu she replied: ''food'' which makes sense for how long she has lived as a vampire. It's tragic.

The only way for Princess Acerola or Kiss-Shot when she recently became a vampire to get rid of her curse was to become even more of a monster. She needed to think of herself as a monster, become a monster. This killed her inner beauty.
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>>161232671
>Kiss-Shot started to think of herself as something not human anymore, but a monster, which essentially killed her humanity.
I hope that is true. if that is the case, if shinobu tries to accept that part of her again, she might regain what she lost. for me, this separate existence is tragic in itself. the two existence lost something important to them. acerola just floating there alone in heaven seeing part of her having a happy life below. shinobu>>161232761
>Then it fucking disappeared over the years when she turned more and more into a vampire, changes nothing.
>What is this shitty excuse of a "lol shinobu is not her full self" theory? This is the first time I've fucking heard of it.
Probably because it it the first time we heard that Shinobu's existence got split into two thereby making each an incomplete piece. Acerola is not something hidden at the back of Shinobu's mind, she was part of her that came out. It is like Kako coming out of Hanekawa. We all know what is the solution to that. That part should be accepted and returned to where it came out.
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>>161233229
>Adult Shinobu is certainly more aggressive, don't you see that?
Araragi said the core of her personality remains unchanged even though she became an adult. End of discussion anon.
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>>161218735
She has been my fave since the Kizu novel was released. Really hate the pairing of crab, though I guess author really wanted Koyomi to be down to earth so he chose crab as the ideal pairing since she would be the anchor that he'd need to be human.
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>>161233243
Wait, sou you're telling me this is the first time you heard about that? I just drop some shitty probably not even right spoilers and you actually take them for granted and already start with the theories?
Cmon dude, you can't be for real.
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>>161232761
>What is this shitty excuse of a "lol shinobu is not her full self" theory?
What's wrong with it? Seems pretty logical, like Kami and his other self Piccolo with whom he merges becoming the Nameless Namekian once again. It's a part of your personality, but essentially the same person.
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>>161198579
The phrase "Italian Gentleman" is used multiple times throughout the Monogatari series, by Shinobu, Hachikuji, and Hanekawa. While it slightly alludes to Casanova and Don Juan, it is also about Araragi's infidelity and his desire to have the loyalty of Crab while having his own affairs. Italy has the highest rate of infidelity among men in Europe, with 55% conducting extramarital affairs. The culture permits it and it is not seen as a big deal. Given that he is in a relationship and kisses Shinobu and Hachikuji, he's basically subscribing to that philosophy.
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The araragi bowl still hasn't ended right? I heard there's still a continuation to the novel and it's shinobumonogatari?
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>>161198579
She wants to know if you're an italian stallion with a big dick.
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>>161233243
Actually let me just debunk that.
There is no split existence. Her other "half" is dead. Literally and figuretively. She lost it over the years when she turned into a vampire, ultimately killing it off. You had all the fucking information you need, andj ust now you're just throwing it at the next best thing in the hope some of it sticks? She probably can't even fuckign remember it. Thats not because she fucking lost her part, thats because that fucking 570 years ago. She hardly remembered being human in Kizu. Its not like the fucking Kako. If that would be the case the real shinobu would be in heaven and the vampire oddity shinobu would be the kako which "would have to go back to its owner" It literally makes no sense.
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>>161233210
Or it's a story about a god who grows to genuinely love a human - told from the human perspective l
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>>161233422
>like Kami and his other self Piccolo with whom he merges becoming the Nameless Namekian once again.
With all of Nisio's parodies, the same thing might happen with this one. Hell, the separation itself was really unexpected. For all we know he got the idea from Dragon Ball. I guessing this one from Shinobu Figure is a foreshadowing of this.

>Still, no matter how indispensable a presence she may be, it cannot be said that it would be good if there was suddenly more than one of her – so, what I want to say is, one day, suddenly, there were two Shinobus. Standing next to each other, quietly, in the same pose.
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>>161233298
Araragi is also the one who asks Oshino about why Shinobu behaves different from Adult form. The differences between core personalities and personalities that are not essiential is hard to define, anon.
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Did some dude just create a rumour about there being another half of shinobu?
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>>161233739
I think so?
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>>161233739
I only care about what Araragi did in the heaven.
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>>161233739
>>161233796
Maybe that rumor will create an actual oddity.
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>>161233507
>There is no split existence. Her other "half" is dead.
That is the crazy part. How come she is dead? If she just throw away her humanity, how come her soul went out instead? The Shinobu we have not is practically a zombie.
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>>161233823
I'm still looking all over the web for it, so far no luck.
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>>161233863
Shes in fucking heaven, literally what dont you get about that? You can't even resurrect her with the Kotorowatari.
SHE
IS
DEAD
BECAUSE
SHE
SLOWLY
BECAME
MORE
AND
MORE
OF
A
VAMPIRE
LITERALLY WHAT HAPPENED WITH ARARAGI AFTER DOING THAT TREE THING WITH CUTTER? RIGHT HE LOST HIS FUCKING HUMANITY. WHAT DID HE DO WHEN BINDING WITH SHINOBU FOR THE SECOND TIME AFTER TURNING HUMAN ONCE AGAIN? RIGHT HE LOST HIS FUCKING HUMANITY. HER SOUL DIDNT "WENT OUT" SHE TURNED INTO A COMPLETLY NEW PERSON, ESSENTIALLY BECOME AN ODDITY, WHICH IS WHY SHE ALSO WAS HUNTED BY THE DARKNESS WHEN SHE PLAYED THE ROLE OF A GOD
Fuck you, from the bottom of my heart, fuck you. I don't know why but your incompetence makes me mad as hell.
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>>161233241
>In Kizu she replied: ''food'' which makes sense for how long she has lived as a vampire
In Kizu she was actively trying to make Araragi kill her
Moreover, what's a monster by the standarts of purity of one's soul? Vampires are said to be innocent regarding their appetite for humans, since it's their nature. Could it be considered "impure" for a vampire to eat a human the same way you'd eat a pig? Acerola wanted to become a vampire so she could eat those who die of her curse, so she could make their lives worthy at least a bit, since she couldn't do anything about it anyway. Isn't that a wish of a pure heart?
>>161233729
She behaves more boldly in her full form because she feels her full power. It's the same as if you were a manlet and then suddenly turned into a seven feet tall muscly alpha male. But as we already said, if you try to look into it, she is still childish as always.
What I guess thematically, if Shinobu's personality was actually split in two, that of a human and that of a vampire, is that Nisio is continuing the themes he voiced in Zokuowari about people's ability to forget and move on. Only this time, it's the opposite. It's not always good to forget, as he also stated in the afterword of Owari, sometimes you have to carry that weight, as one prominent anime taught us. Maybe the story would want to tell us that you have to accept your past, no matter how terrible it was, and in Shinobu's case it was insanely terrible, the worst it can get.
Nisio is no Dostoevsky, but I guess he still tries to write light novels thematically, with simple yet useful ideas.
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>>161233872
On 4chan there are people who know Nippon and willing to translate some doujin pages in thread. Why can't they write something about heaven thing, l beg for that.
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>>161234007
>Isn't that a wish of a pure heart?
Exactly. That's why she went to fucking heaven. It was even mentioned in the novel that she went to heaven because her turning into a vampire was 100% for the sake of other people.
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>>161233994
Can you shut the fuck up, retard? If Araragi lost his humanity then his soul is also wandering hell somewhere? At least clarify things you want to state before spurting nonsense. Go back to fucking Reddit or wherever you came from.
Reminder to report these kinds of posts.
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>>161228457
use katakana for foreign words
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>>161233729
>Araragi is also the one who asks Oshino about why Shinobu behaves different from Adult form
That's because he's mentality paired up with her. It was bluntly obvious in Kabuki that Araragi is, read carefully, ''partly'' influencing her. Most of her childish behavior simply stamps from the fact that she wants to be spoiled by Araragi. In Kabuki Shinobu speculated that she might kill Araragi when she rergains all her powers, which we the readers knew was bullshit. Shinobu would never kill him, this was even proven in the same arc with the Shinobu in Route X when she confessed her feelings.

The only difference between little Shinobu and Adult Shinobu is the outer appearance. Shinobu's outer appearance is influenced by how much ''power'' she has. her body chooses the most opimal form depending on that factor. Her personality DOES NOT CHANCE when she gets older. Shinobu's personality is simply progressing, developing and changing through the story,
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>ywn unknowingly create your own oddity that will help you through your emotional problems, before finally disappearing because she's no longer needed
Why continue further existence?
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>>161231634
I read doujin that demonstrated that they cannot.
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>>161233872
One anon said that we might not get it anytime soon because Shinobumonogatari is really fucking long. The idea of two Shinobu is really wrong. There has to be only one Shinobu. Araragi must take the Princess like what he did to Hachikuji and ram it into Shinobu.
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>batfags

not even once
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>>161234066
By that definition, Shinobu we have is an empty shell of an oddity, remains of an act of transformation. It raises another question. What exactly is dead? Acerola's humanity or Acerola herself? Whose consciousness was born when Acerola's humanity died? Of the one we have on the Earth or of the one we have in Heaven?
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>>161234075
Are you literally fucking kidding me? This fucking retard
>>161231792
started all this shit by some post with shitty grammar, and the whole fucking thread just jumps onto that bullshit. And no, why the fuck should it? He's striving to keep his human site in good shape, so he's not having his human site rot in hell, if anything he himself, all of him, rots in hell.
Also,
>reddit
Yes because I would definately waste my time here if I visited that shithole. This is the actual first fucking thread discussing this and that's based on a shitty spoiler some anon made, which he even stated "he didn't read it himself, because he doesn't know nippon" I'm just trying to stop the spreading of false rumors. But of course people won't check for themselves and will just believe whatever people tell them.
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>>161234007
It's more by the fact that she thought she herself was a monster, she who was once human viewed her acts as monstrous.
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This is what happened when we only have tiny little bit spoiler about serious shit.
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>>161234384
>I'm just trying to stop the spreading of false rumors
What rumors are false as you say?
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>>161234351
>Whose consciousness was born when Acerola's humanity died? Of the one we have on the Earth or of the one we have in Heaven?
There was no born conscious when Princess Acerola became Kiss-Shot. Her curse was lifted throughout her life as a vampire. By living more and more as a monster, by eating more and more people once every month. that inne beauty died simply by her own actions.
>"I am a vampire"
By becoming more of a monster personality wise did she lift her curse I believe.
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>>161234384
Anon, it's no false rumor that Princess Acerola is in heaven.
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>>161234319
Yeah, it's about 50 chapters, quite a long novel, also the longest arc that exists right now.
>>161234334
I never thought there's something worse than waifuwars.
>>161234351
Oh fucking lord. No as you can clearly see Shinobu is not fucking dead, while she is not a full power vampire anymore, she got turned into a little girl by araragi, making her shrink in size, and him being one of the only people knowing of her existence. This shit was explained in like Bake or Neko:Kuro, she still only exists because people know of her existence, even if it's only araragi, hanekawa and a few other people. Both of them are dead. Acerola is in heaven, and her humanity with it. Kiss-Shot Acerola-Orion Heart-Under-Blades consciousness was born when Acerola died. Even if she didn't die right after she got turned, she died over time. There's still not fucking 2 of them. Imagine that Acerola is like Tadatsuru, only in heaven instead of in hell.
>>161234427
Yeah no shit, I said it for like the 4th time that we should wait for more fucking spoilers, but no just get teh fucking theories going lol
>>161234480
This whole fucking thing could be, and with a high chance is probably false. I just posted the shit that was already known, which is that araragi somehow went to heaven, met acerola somehow, and did lewd things with her while kissing her. We don't know any of the dialogue, or what they talked about, or how they actually started kissing and why or how the fuck he got to heaven. We have maybe 1% of actual information and you just can't make something thats true out of that.
>>161234557
Yeah its fucking not but now peopel are starting with a split consiousness.
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>>161233467
>An author
>hating money
this shit is going on forever
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>>161233467
After Shinobumonogatari theres still Yoimonogatari, Amarimonogatari, Ougimonogatari, Shimonogatari, Shimonogatari (Vl. 2)
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>>161234007
>Only this time, it's the opposite. It's not always good to forget, as he also stated in the afterword of Owari, sometimes you have to carry that weight, as one prominent anime taught us. Maybe the story would want to tell us that you have to accept your past, no matter how terrible it was, and in Shinobu's case it was insanely terrible, the worst it can get.

if you add that to what this anon said here >>161233241

>The only way for Princess Acerola or Kiss-Shot when she recently became a vampire to get rid of her curse was to become even more of a monster. She needed to think of herself as a monster, become a monster. This killed her inner beauty.

It seems that Shinobu would end up reclaiming her lost humanity if she accept that part of her.

I don't know if that how the curse was removed but It is puzzling how thinking that you are a monster would make your soul go to heaven/hell

I'm guessing Nisio is being metaphorical since human soul is the essence of one's humanity. Like a soulless person is evil or something.
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>>161234581
>but now peopel are starting with a split consiousness.
That is just bullshit. Split consciousness? Princess Acerola who turned into a vampire became Kiss-Shot/Shinobu through her life as a vampire. There is no split personality there nor any fucking emotions missing. Priness Ecerola simply developed and changed into by personality and definition into a new person. I think that's it.
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>>161234790
Yeah that is fucking it. Who knows, the Acerola in heaven could be a fucking hallucination of araragi for all we fucking know.
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>>161234776
>Ougimonogatari
Worst novel of all times already
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>>161233796
>>161233739
>>161233833
top kek, nice job anon
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>>161234581
>Yeah its fucking not but now peopel are starting with a split consiousness.
And what exactly is so bad about people starting with split consciousness? About people talking and theorizing? It couldn't be that it bugs you so much, could it?
>Kiss-Shot Acerola-Orion Heart-Under-Blades consciousness was born when Acerola died
There, now you are the one theorizing. The same way as people did before you about split consciousness. Do you have a single translated line from the novel to back that up? Do I need to insult you the same way you insulted people here? Get the fuck out of here, you underage piece of shit and get your grammar straight before attacking that of others.
>>161234785
Well, it might be like this. It's still not really clear to me how exactly conscious oddities function, although Ougi's story kind of clarified it.
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>>161224935
It wasn't different forms, just different disguises.
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how did adult shinobu get her heels before heels were even invented?
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>>161235136
Time travel duh
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>>161235136
She invented them.
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>>161234846
>Yeah that is fucking it. Who knows, the Acerola in heaven could be a fucking hallucination of araragi for all we fucking know.
I hope she is just his hallucination! He can't go adding another member in his complicated relationship doing lewd stuff. That is just not fair for Shinobu.
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>>161235136
She designed heel, we learned from Kiss-Shot
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>>161235136
High heels were popular among nobility during Early Renaissance
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>>161235065
Because it's fucking absurd? We have no evidence, not even the spoilers count as evidence because they don't support that shit at all.
>Yeah that is fucking it. Who knows, the Acerola in heaven could be a fucking hallucination of araragi for all we fucking know.
Now let that shit die unti ltheres new spoilers and move on to the next topic or fuck off.
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>>161235220
If we're talking fairness she shouldn't even if be alive, she deserved to bleed out to death. Araragi is objectively the weird one for saving her.
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Does it always take so long for people to get summaries out?
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>>161235136
The best reason ever: unreliable narrator.
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>>161235385
NUANCES
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>>161234923
>>161233796
>>161233739
I'm the only one who is allowed to spread rumors here! How can I get profits if someone else started it?
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>>161234319
The reason no one is talking about it is because it's considered to be not all that interesting, period. Aside from some of the cameos and that new school friend chick of Araragi's that debuts in it (might just be a one off character though) it's apparently pretty weak.
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>>161235463
>Araragi lewding bat
How is that weak
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>>161235335
No, I won't. Who the fuck are you to tell me what to do on this site? A mod? Hiro? Shut the fuck up and leave the thread if you're not satisfied with the topic, faggot. No one wants to read your blabbering.
>>161235385
I don't really understand this whole situation tbqh. By this time summaries should already be posted. It can't take that much time.
>>161235463
That's pretty bizzare, since it's about fanbase's favorite girl. Japs were actively tweeting about it, not to mention that it's supposed to be a start of a completely new season.
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>>161235065
>>Kiss-Shot Acerola-Orion Heart-Under-Blades consciousness was born when Acerola died
see>>161234790 When Princess Acerola became a vampire it was the same for Araragi. No different personality was born. It was essentially still princess Acerola but only with a different name, still with her curse active when she woke up as a vampire. Throughout her years as a vampire, Princess Acerola/Kiss-Shot became a different person, her personality changed, she developed into someone else. Princess Acerola's personality started to fade away and what was left was Kiss-Shot. There is no second personality going on here.
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HOLY SHIT I FOUND SOMETHING

Hachikuji discovered Suicide-Master mummified and buried near North Shirabehi Shrine. In order to revive her, she, Shinobu, and Araragi plan to use Kokoro-Watari to send Araragi to Chi-no-Ike Hell (a different level of Hell than where Gaen sent him) to retrieve special blood for her to drink.
However, when Shinobu kills him with the sword, the spirit of Princess Acerola intercedes and takes him up to Heaven instead of down to Hell. There, Araragi finds her naked but for a demon mask in a picturesque pastoral landscape with nobody else around. They discuss herself, her regrets, and Suicide-Master. Finally, she tells Araragi to close his eyes, at which point she removes the mask and kisses him in order to pour her saliva into his mouth. That saliva he takes back to the real world and pours into Suicide-Master's mouth in order to revive her. (Princess Acerola believed Suicide-Master would only accept her own blood/body fluids, and the blood from Hell wouldn't work, though she wasn't really correct about that in the end.)
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>>161235610
>There is no second personality going on here.
Then whom does Araragi meet in heaven? Who's sitting behind the curtain in Zokuowari?
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>>161235644
AAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>161235337
>she deserved to bleed out to death
Explain, cause I don't think I catch the memo of the person who suffered for hundreds of years, became a monster for other people's sakes and decides to correct her mistake by making him kill her deserving to die by bleeding out.
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>>161235463
>The reason no one is talking about it is because it's considered to be not all that interesting, period
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>>161235563
There was more discussion about the Monster Season announcement than there was about the LN itself I believe.
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>>161235463
And you are basing this on absolutely nothing at all. I see
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>>161235644
So? What do we get from it? Who is Acerola and who is Shinobu?
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>>161235463
>Deathtopia is barely even in it
What a fucking disaster
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>>161212146
Shinobu and Araragi have become the biggest case of "just fuck already" in anime/manga. Not even Korbo can compare to them.
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>>161208993
>>161208880
Yeah the further north you get, the more autism you see.
Here in Denmark, its not that bad at the stops, but its pretty retarded in the busses themselves. Usually, only 1 seat per set is occupied, making it so that everyone is sitting alone.
You gotta be a real daring motherfucker to sit next to someone if literally any other seat is available.
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>>161235846
Well, if I had to guess we get nothing from it. Somehow Princess Acerola's spirit took rrgi while he was on his way to hell and had a talk with him. Giving him her saliva so they can resurrect Suicide-Master. I actually was just here for that part, I don't really care about that other stuff.
>>161235910
She'll get 3 arcs by the end of Monster Season.
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>>161235644
This is bullshit, since the revival of Deathtopia was already translated. Nice try though faggot.
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>>161227901
She helps with it sometimes. I think 2 donuts isn't so high a price that she wouldn't refuse if she really hated it.
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>>161235928
Why would you sit next to someone else if you didn't have to?
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>>161235978
Makes sense though. In the translated chapter they started with the revival. In this one they just found her body and looked for shit they'd need for the revival.
Well I don't really care what you think, the source looks official to me and I got what I came for.
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>>161235846
>>161235951
Guys it's fake. Deathtopis's revival was already translated and nothing like that happened. The scene in heaven was summarized to be extremely lewd. You are being bullshitted. He did not even post any source
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>>161236064
Then post the fucking source for your fake spoilers, you are only making yourself more fake since you don't idiot. Deathtopia's revival was already translated. The scene is Heaven was where Araragi and Acerola were both naked and doing more then just ''kissing''
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>>161236155
I most definately will not, not because I don't have one, but because people will just go full sperg if they actually see which source it is.
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>>161227485
whats Route X?
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>>161236216
>http://mirroredtranslations.tumblr.com/post/163548130157/shinobu-mustard-chapter-35
Not only are you a terrible liar, you're also a bad at it. That shit doesn't happen, so you're just making shit up.
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>>161235918

He's a chicken, as Hanekawa said, and she would know that best. And immensely passive.

I mean, if the girl that enables him to instant regen at the thought of never being able to embrace her with a broken hand isn't inciting nooky, it's just not gonna happen unless they ravish him themselves, which Hanekawa doesn't do since Nisio made her the most moral character.

Hell, in Tsubasa Song, Araragi says that Hanekawa is more manly than him because she takes charge on dates and he could learn from her.

Christ, Cat's life from beginning to now just sucks. It sucks hard.
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>>161235644
So, it was not lewd at all. That is pretty lame if that is all there is to it with regards to Princess Acerola. She had a miserable life and died at an early age and now somebody else is reaping all the rewards.

I like Shinobu and I do believe she deserves what happiness she has now but that does not erase the fact real person who originally needed help died. Heaven is good but she was not able to live a full and happy life.

There are lots of chapters after Suicide-Master's revival so I hope there is more of Princess Acerola.
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>>161236352
see>>161236315 It's fake anon.
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>>161236315
Again, think what you want. I couldn't care less. If we meet once this shit is translated, I'll just rub it in your face, though we probably won't meet after this again.
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>>161236352
Yeah, considering what I heard from anons I was a bit bummed out too Though it's still nice having that mystery solved.
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>>161236403
>That saliva he takes back to the real world and pours into Suicide-Master's mouth in order to revive her
This is what happend in her revival
>“O devourer, o imbiber, o lurker! The sacred sun has set; now is the time to tear off your coffin-lid and be revived! Boil the flesh in blood, and stir it up with bone!”

>It seemed like a joke, but I suppose it was serious.

>“Come, alongside the night! Deathtopia Virtuoso Suicide-Master!”

>Finally, showing she was aware of how clichéd the incantation sounded, she added, “Or something like that.” However, at that moment, drenched in cheap sake, the girl’s supine body radiated a golden color—or so I thought.
So shut up please anon. A joke is fine but you're being pathetic now.
>HOLE SHIT I FOUND SOMETHING
>BUT I WON'T POST THE SOURCE
>I JUST MADE IT UP
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>>161236352

Well look at Hachikuji, she sucks it up and took going to Hell pretty well. And she was pious as fuck to her parents, getting stamped with a grevious sin that suggests the opposite.

Tadatsuru also got a free ticket to Heaven, the values are skewed.

I'll make a pool bet that Nisio will have Hanekawa go to Hell when she dies too, despite her achievements. Solid bet.
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Well, he seems to be telling the truth, since I scrolled through Japanese twitter and some people wrote about the case. The only question that remains is who is Shinobu if her original self is sitting in heaven French kissing Araragi?
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>>161236622
>Well, he seems to be telling the truth, since I scrolled through Japanese twitter and some people wrote about the case
>Again without a source
This is getting pathetic guys
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>>161236533

>>161236403
>Again, think what you want
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>>161236622
I don't even know dude.
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>>161227485
>>161227139
It's not as I am forcing myself to see it this way or anything. Or rather, I just don't see what you mean. What exactly in Route X confirms Kisshot's love to be romantic? I haven't read the books to this point since they weren't translated yet, so is there a line or something omitted from the anime? Because to me, she just wanted him to look for her and pay attention to her and knowing he did not (betraying her love) she destroyed the world. What am I not seeing here?
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>>161236658
>no source
Literally search for Shinobumonogatari tag on twitter, retard. Preferably in Japanese, of course.
>>161236762
Forget about Route X, too much to talk about, just remember that Nisio called Kizumonogataru a story in which a vampire falls in love with a hypocrite.
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>>161236762
Not that anon, but she literally fucking tells him she ran away out of childish jealousy. She literally cries tears of blood and thought she trew her chance away to be so close to him. I don't know how you function anon. It's not rocket science
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>>161236039
>She helps with it sometimes. I think 2 donuts isn't so high a price that she wouldn't refuse if she really hated it.
she did help in both but was obviously aggressive towards Karen and really nice to Tsukihi.

Karen Brushing
>The little girl uttered, in a noble voice, the name of the device that sounded like a move in a fantasy battle –no, I was the one with that thing in her mouth.
>So that's what it was! I didn't know its name, but it's that tool which can shoot out water, mist and air! But even then, the torrent is way too strong! No, too much!
>Don't shower my mouth with a stream of water so strong that it's affecting the narrative parts of the story!
>Does that assistant dislike me? Could it be that she tried to pass that dangerous-sounding thing earlier on purpose?
....
>Great, finally I'll be freed from this torrent of water... Hey, hwaaah! My tongue is being sucked at! She really is doing this on purpose, this little girl! What does this assistant even assist my brother in!?
....
>But then, as if to mock my short moment of carelessness, that pain overcame me for the third time. I spit out all the water in my mouth that the aspirator hadn't removed.
>Spitting out all the water left in my mouth until nothing was left... In what seemed like a funny turn of events with a bit of rhetoric mixed in resulted in my brother, the little assistant and my upper body completely drenched.
>Good thing I took off my jersey.
>There also was a feeling of satisfaction that I had been able to strike back at the little assistant, who had tormented me so much. But a strong pain that I couldn't suppress with those feelings ran along the insides of my mouth.

Tsukihi Brushing
>The assistant placed a few magazines on my lap as I began trembling. Maybe she was just a thoughtful person, but it almost seemed like she felt sorry for me. Like she was doing all she could for me.
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>>161236860
>just remember that Nisio called Kizumonogataru a story in which a vampire falls in love with a hypocrite
Thank you but also:
>Literally search for Shinobumonogatari tag on twitter, retard. Preferably in Japanese, of course.
fuck you. Those fake spoilers say that Araragi poured his salvia into Deathtopia to resurrect her. But we see in the literal translation of her revival that something like ''that'' did not happen. So in other words this>>161235644
is fake
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>>161236985
>literal translation
>basically the same anon did, just on a bigger scale
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>>161236331
It's not that one-sided in Shinobu's case. They actually take turns making advances on eachother, while the other pushes them back. This is pretty blatant in Kabuki particularly, where Araragi suddenly starts making strong advances on Shinobu (on top of fantasizing about things like licking her neck) the moment he knows they're alone in another timeline.
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>>161237043
>But her answer would have to wait—as if aiming for a moment when Shinobu was taken by surprise and had fallen silent, Gaen-san began chanting what sounded like a magic spell that had taken the world by storm several decades previously:

>“O devourer, o imbiber, o lurker! The sacred sun has set; now is the time to tear off your coffin-lid and be revived! Boil the flesh in blood, and stir it up with bone!”

>It seemed like a joke, but I suppose it was serious.

>“Come, alongside the night! Deathtopia Virtuoso Suicide-Master!”

>Finally, showing she was aware of how clichéd the incantation sounded, she added, “Or something like that.” However, at that moment, drenched in cheap sake, the girl’s supine body radiated a golden color—or so I thought.
Try harder faggot. Never happend. Two different things.
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>>161236985
I don't know about the saliva part though, but Acerola was wearing a mask in heaven which looked like some forest, hence the illustration we got with Shinobu wearing the same mask.
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>>161237095
>thinking insulting will make his point more clear
You're just making more anons believe the fan summary that anon posted.
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>>161198579
italian kiss
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>>161237156
>Shinobumonogatari
How so? When the translation of her ''actual'' revival proves otherwise.
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>this thread
Alright, I'll once again hit the bed.
Good night, anons.
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>>161237222
The summary didn't show the revival now, did it?
>in ORDER to revive her
Might just be another step they needed to do, like the chanting spell or pouring sake over her.
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>>161236883
Yes, she does. She was jealous that he was paying attention to all the other girls when she needed him the most. But how does that confirm her love as romantic?
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>>161237066
>It's not that one-sided in Shinobu's case. They actually take turns making advances on eachother, while the other pushes them back. This is pretty blatant in Kabuki particularly, where Araragi suddenly starts making strong advances on Shinobu (on top of fantasizing about things like licking her neck) the moment he knows they're alone in another timeline.
he also remembered the time they were on the roof alone. It was like him saying. I wish we could do this too even if people are around. And they were thinking about living somewhere else with just the two of them after they take care of thing with Kiss-shot on Route X.
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>>161236975
Well, Araragi got beat up pretty badly by Karen and Shinobu shares his pain, maybe this was her revenge
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>>161237316
>The summary didn't show the revival now, did it?
It's translated anon, deathtopia's revivalhttp://mirroredtranslations.tumblr.com/post/163548130157/shinobu-mustard-chapter-35
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>>161237336
You need to fucking wake up man.
see>>161236860
>that Nisio called Kizumonogataru a story in which a vampire falls in love with a hypocrite.
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>>161237448
I know that. Stop giving me the link. I'm talking about anons summary not showing the revival. It might just be before your translated chapter.
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>>161237066

I dunno about it being one sided. Hanekawa pushed him away sometimes for good reasons, and he totally chickened the heck out when it was plainly obvious she was okay with his advances.

You're not gonna start saying that he has no feelings for Hanekawa, are you, the man literally seizes himself up when she so much as whispers in his ear. Even when it's not about anything perverse.
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>>161237496
>It might just be before your translated chapter.
The thing is that spoiler says the salvia to revive her. while that was not needed at all and Gaen just pulled some lines and she awoke>>161237095
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>>161237575
That's why I said
>in ORDER to revive her
>Might just be another step they needed to do, like the chanting spell or pouring sake over her.
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>>161237471
I am not contesting they're in love. I am contesting the idea that their love is romantic, as opposed to a just a deep bond of love between the two.
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>>161237625
Yeah, and Araragi also needed to go to Narnia to revive the evil ice queen and get her tears in order to revive her. Just a necessary step right?
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>>161237043
>>161237156
>>161237097
>I don't know about the saliva part though, but Acerola was wearing a mask in heaven which looked like some forest, hence the illustration we got with Shinobu wearing the same mask.
After you said that thing about the mask, I'm starting to doubt now about this >>161235644. Isn't it weird that Princess Acerola was the one wearing the mask while Shinobu was the one who is wearing it on the cover??? Plus the whole chapter 35 does not tell about "pouring via mouth the saliva thing from Araragi to Suicide-Master". Shinobu would be furious if that happened. The sake thing was plain cheap sake and not girl's saliva. Gaen just not care about holy things like Oshino Meme so she only bought the cheapest on. If I mentioned something wrong, please feel to correct.
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>>161237657
ok
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>>161237501
There's a difference between being okay with his advances and fondling his ribs while getting ready to sleep or asking him to say he loves her.
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>>161237846
I want to poke her asshole with my dick.
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>>161237821
Don't bother explaining anon. it's fake.
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>>161237821
>Acerola and Shinobu wearing the same mask
Nisio is planning something
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>>161237874
Too bad for you she is the purest monogatari and will never be lewded by any doujin ever.
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>>161237931
It was time to uncover the secrets of an enigma that is Shinobu, I hope the novels will be out soon
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>>161237874
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>>161237409
>Well, Araragi got beat up pretty badly by Karen and Shinobu shares his pain, maybe this was her revenge
That has already been compensated via Araragi rubbing Shinnobu's breast which was a level next to head patting. So, this grudge came from something else. In Karen Ogre, Karen got slapped by Shinobu. She did not need to slap Karen but she probably remembered what Araragi is doing with her so she snapped and accidentally told about the brushing thing.

>“Idiot!”
>She slapped me.
>Not only have I been suplexed by this strange person, but now slapped as well—huh? Does this mean I still haven’t had nearly enough training? Or maybe this person does martial arts too?
>She has a great figure, after all.
>“Don’t put anything and everything in your mouth! This is why you get your teeth brushed by your brother!”
>Hm? Did I tell her about that?
>I must have told her earlier that I had a brother, so I suppose that’s something that typically happens with brothers and sisters.
>It certainly happens in the Araragi household.
>It happens.
>Anyway, because of the slap, I spat out the object in my mouth.
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>>161238059
I'd say that slap was well deserved since she just swallowed a bell thinking it was candy. Also, Shinbou just had to save her from bears. No wonder she's losing patience with Karen
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>people always said that they wanted a story of just Araragi and Shinobu going on oddity adventures
>the series is slowly turning into exactly that
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>>161237657
>I am not contesting they're in love. I am contesting the idea that their love is romantic, as opposed to a just a deep bond of love between the two.
It is not that complicated to understand.

>Romantic Love = Long Term Commitment + Physical Attraction.

Shinobu&Araragi both have those.

The whole thing about
- spending the rest of their live together and not even death do us apart.
- Not being able to live with the other.
- Living together in one roof.
- Araragi & Shinobu having stuff like this:
>"I was confronting the realistic issue of being responsible for Shinobu’s life for the rest of my life, which meant, without exaggeration, having to support another person all on my own."
>In Musubi, Shinobu told Araragi to work hard to feed her. Araragi said "that's not the purpose of my job at all", while his inner dialogue was yes that's actually true. Which is really cute.

That is essentially what married people do. Araragi&Shinobu willfully entered into that kind of relationship and they are doing what they can to make it work.

Now, what are you talking about not being romantic???
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>>161211290
>She’s northern European
I started assuming she was French after her song in Kizu
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>>161200358
>being from an autist country (americans, Scandinavia, Asians and arabs)
>not kissing a beautiful woman's cheek on your first encounter
>the contact can be cheek to cheek, slightly with the lips, or a full kiss.

Heck you can even nearly kiss a woman by going quite close to her mouth and say "ups my bad" and most of them would just laugh it out. If the girl is ugly you just touch cheeks.

Your autist countries sure are sad, I feel bad for you all. You cant even kiss your women in public...
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