Will we ever get another masterpiece like monogatari?

>>161188567
Doubt it.
SHAFT is unbeatable, after all.

>Owari s2 is the greatest anime of all time according to MAL

Damn, better watch it then

>>161188567
I wish all the shitgatari posters would die in their sleep, both serious and ironic. Why are you constantly flooding the board with this trash? Can't you contain it in one thread? Is that too much too ask from subhuman garbage like yourselves?

>>161190271
this show is great

>>161191095
The show is boring and predictable.
It's an incredibly lazy self-insert fantasy. And worst of all it attracts the most despicable of ironic weeaboos and summer redditors.
There are shows which are more shit, but Monogatari is definitely competing for the top 5 cancer.

>monogatari
>masterpiece

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>>161189725
>MAL

>>161191194
This unironically. But the novels are great. I like certain characters.

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>masterpiece
It's not bad, but it's far from masterpiece
It's overrated as fuck

>/a/ hates monogatari now

what went wrong?

>>161193662
Nothing at all

>>161193662
It got popular.

>>161191194
Ah, like every masterpiece theres always the haters. Thats just reafirm the fact that this show is so perfect. Thats great.

>>161193857
This. Everything thats overpopular will always have the contrarians who shit about a great to show that a lot of people like just to fell diferent and superior in their autistic mindsets

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wow such art
much pretentiousness

>>161188567
This looks like that new Uchiha guy from Boruto. The one in the cloak.

>>161191236
The anime is literally the novels in animation form. You can't hate the anime and like the novels simultaneously without hating anime in general.

>>161194632
Not literally. There some realizations (most no important but really nice to read) and even good jokes that arraragi describe in his mind that got cut of in the series. But in general I agree with you

>>161193857
>first season sold 100k
>it got popular

>>161195073
Popular on japan =/= so popular on /a/ that contrarians get endless replies

>>161188567
It's literally just watered down Shinbo/Ikuhara

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>>161188567
>monogatari did Ozen better than MiA anime

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>>161195533
It didn't do Ozen better than the manga

>>161188567
Christ, I hope not.

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Definitely needs more spook.

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>>161196033
She's a big spook.

>>161188567
>monogarbage
>masterpiece

>>161188775
I want to beat that SHAFT

>>161198067
4U

>>161188567
Of course. NisiOishiN is still alive and writing. When he moves on to his next series, I am sure it will be awesome and given how Shaft seems to own him, they will also produce whatever he comes up with next. Honestly, SHAFT was able to make even trash like NiseKoi endurable, so when given good or okay source material, they can make it a masterpiece.

Monogatari is not without its flaws-- many of the arcs are repetitive or formulaic, Araragi has no male friends and men outside of Araragi are barely present in the story. The pacing can drag and certain events take on a level of importance that is simply absurd.

>>161193662
but i love monogatari and i am /a/

>>161199658
>Araragi has no male friends
Meme.

>Kanbaru's monkey noise
>Ougi's Gweh
Pretty cute voice acting

>>161188567
I just picked it up and im only on ep4 of bakemonogatari.
Theres just a bunch of painfully drawn out filler dialog with very little plot progression in between.
Does the pacing stay trash or does it get better eventually?

ha ha oh boy time for the inevitable retarded backlash that comes from something being good

this is my favorite part of 4chan

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>>161200545
As accurate as ever.

>>161200506
Monogatari centers around dialogue and conversations, it's not "filler dialogue"

>>161200607
at least we've had 8 years to get used to the usual barrage of >pretentious 2deep4u harem powerpoint

>>161199658
I remember reading somewhere that initially Nisio was going to make Araragi's backstory be about a male friend who committed suicide years back or some shit before settling on Sodachi's character instead.

>>161200625
>spend almost an entire episode in the park berating araragi for being a virgin
>not filler

>>161201135
Correct.
That was to develop the relationship between senjougahara and Araragi.
Filler serves no purpose, that event ends with a formal relationship.

>>161201135
If you think any of the stuff you've seen is filler then I dunno if this show is even for you, man. It's a character-focused series, not a plot-focused one. All the dialogue between characters isn't "filler".

>>161201135
Filler is something used to add content without adding any plot theme character advancement or other exposition.

Yes, we get these "masterpieces" every season, cause gatari is shit

>>161201135
That was Senjougahara trying to seduce Araragi. It was weird and clumsy, but that is telling about her character.

>ending coincides with graduation
disgusting

>>161201982
Plot point that ties in with Ougi that the anime cut out. She needed to do all of this before he graduated.

>>161201982
>ending
what are you talking about? Theres going to be years and years of monogatari to come.

>>161201982
TL note: Koyomi means calendar.

>>161202007
>She needed to do all of this before he graduated.
Why?

>>161201292
>develop the relationship between senjougahara and Araragi
More like develop Hitagi exclusively, since there's no development from Araragi's side except for the basic "I love her" formula

>>161202650
Something about doing it before his adolescence ended (represented by graduation), can't remember the specifics but it is talked about.

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>>161202697
Only araragi can call her by that name

Monsterpiece

>>161203043
Do you mean monstory?

>>161203023
I'll call Hitagi by whichever name I damn well please.

>>161200112
literally.

>>161188567
How is this retarded shit good again?

>>161202464
still disgusting

>>161203481
Watch it and find out, then come back and have something to say in the monogatari threads.

>>161188567
>>161189725
>Liking this MAL tier garbage
neo-/a/ truly has fallen hasn't it

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>>161190271
>start monogatari thread
>hit bumplimit in 5 hours
Looks like your shitty show can't even compete

>>161203518
So basically nothing. Got it.

>>161203614
>hear from someone that some show is shit
>lol ok
>don't watch it to make your own opinion
>post in next thread
>"lol monogatari is shit"
Fuck you, literally kill yourself.

>>161203614
Do you need recommendations for better anime since you're so fucking helpless?

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>>161189725
>MAL
I found your problem.

>>161203759
What Episode is this?

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>>161200607
>EVA still hasn't been toppled over by /a/ hipsters
I guess it's just too good.

>>161203792
>Episode_neko.jpg

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>>161203759
Thank you Episode anon for keeping consistent.

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>>161203759
People like you are the reason why eugenics was such a popular idea in nazi germany.

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>>161203759
Still delivering, as always.

>>161203860
If that is actually the same anon, I'm quite fucking impressed.

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>>161203860
Episode anon literally did nothing wrong, fuck MAL posters.

>>161203797
You do occasionally get some people saying its overrated, I think it might be because unlike other popular anime, Eva hasn't got the same popularity on western websites.

>>161203860
I don't have any problem with autistic reposts if they're always so accurate.
Everyone who brings up MAL deserves to be lynched.

>>161203687
No, i just know how shitty the gatari series is. It's basically the Rick & Morty of anime (or i guess, Rick & Morty is the Monogatari of cartoons) in which it has nothing special to offer, but somehow got lucky and became super fucking popular and praised by everyone.

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>>161204021

>>161203683

>>161203860
If you're a MALfag, then you're the one who deserves to be gassed you shit
Sodo-kun did nothing wrong

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>>161204021
This is the laziest and worst trolling I ever seen, try /tv/ or /v/ and maybe you will get a bite.

>>161204021
Monogatari has issues (namely the order things are in and some terrible pacing depending on the adaption) but it's far from the actual living internet meme that is Rick and Morty.

>>161195705
I know I can kill

>>161204059
>10k western anime viewers voted this particular show to be a 9-10, isnt that interesting?
>REE MAL MAL MAL MAL

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>>161204021
>It's basically the Rick & Morty of anime
See, I know what you mean, but this comparison just sounds so tremendously stupid I have to post some dumb reaction image to suit it.

>>161204169
If you want to talk about MAL go to MAL. 10k people isn't even that many.

>>161204246
We're talking about the fucking show you autist. YOU are talking about mal when no one cares about it.

>>161204169
>10k western anime viewers voted this particular show to be a 9-10, isnt that interesting?
No, because they're all reddit-tier viewers so who gives a fuck?

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>>161204344

>>161204169
>>161204059
>>161203974
>>161203860
How can you be this delusionial? Nobody give a shit about your shitty bait.

>>161204344
Then talk about the show, not MAL.

Let's start. What two characters who have never interacted at all (not even in the same room together) would have the best interactions?

My personal choice would be Ougi and Senjyogahara. Their actual rapport would be great, and more importantly Senjyogahara talking to the manifestation of her boyfriend's self hate would be... unique.

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>>161203973
It's also the only reason this website exists. Evangelion is probably the de-facto /a/ anime.

>>161204438
Ougi and Shinobu.
Just the fact that Shnobu would be basically talking to her own child could make a pretty funny conversation

>>161204528
I miss him.

>>161204591
who?

>>161204591
Why miss someone who doesn't miss you?

>>161204438
I kinda wanted Sodachi and Kaiki meeting since she was the only character living away, and it was unlikely that Kaiki would appear in Araragi's town anymore. Sodachi is also a character that doesn't care much about using underhanded methods to achieve justice, and both also "hated" Araragi. Though of course, Fiasco cliffhanger was never addressed and she got back and close to Araragi instead.

>>161204722
Unrequited love is not a rational thing.

>>161204786
that's why we're here forever

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>>161188567
>Will we ever get another masterpiece like monogatari?
Why did you have to start a thread with fucking bait like this? All it does is attract assblasted Shaft haters and ruins any chance of discussion.

So quick question:

What the fuck does Ougi do now? I get that she can exist, but is she homeless now? Does she just live at the cram school?

So is, or is their not anything good about the Monogatari series? It just looks like a shitty self insert show with horrible """"""Visual metaphors""""" that no one wants to admit were retarded and made no sense.

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>>161204906
How about being an anime where all the girls are best girl? (except Snek). Surely that's quite an achievement?

>>161204905
>I get that she can exist, but is she homeless now?
If Meme decides to hang around, she may live with him - wherever he lives.

Does Nadeko remember the snake/Kaiki stuff?

>>161205007

He doesn't stick around. Kanbaru is by herself with Ougi in Hanamonogatari

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>>161204905
She probably stuck around the town after Araragi left to clean up the remaining oddities. In Hana she's still helping Kanbaru with her problems.

>>161204905
You see her in the school class and not in the cram school.
>>161205021
Yes.

>>161204972
They all look pretty generic other then maybe blonde vampire

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>>161205123
Good taste.

>>161204867
If you base your actions on the vocal minority who hate everything you're also going to have a bad time.

>>161205171

>Shaft changed the dress design for the BDs

What DID they mean by this?

>>161203249
The call her by her real name... SLUT.

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>>161205207
DId they really?

>>161205392
I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about Senjougahara and not your mother.

>>161205422

Dress was green in the online version, pink in the BDs

>>161204906
>explain to me over an anonymous Tibetan carnival show discussion forum how a show is good
why ask this question? better yet what do you expect as a response?

an honest answer will tell you nothing you haven't already heard before, will certainly do nothing to convince you, and you'll just dismiss it anyway. that's if you even get one, most people will just tell you to shut the fuck up.

so here's your (You), don't spend it all in one place.

>>161205453
Don't be daft boy you know damn well I was talking about Herpes.

>>161204906
It has well written character with moe traits sprinkled in and dialogue that makes it really fun listen to. Also some basic but well executed themes you generally don't find in "self insert" shows

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>>161205500
Wasn't that the one she wore in Tsuki?

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>>161205422
>>161205500


>green

It was blue.

Online:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyR8EczPpuA

BD:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XiJRFfC4ko

>>161205533
Why are we discussing your sister's latest diagnosis now?

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>>161205071
I would fuck Ougi (male).

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>>161205598
I also only remember the blue one, now that I think about it. Shit, why did they change it?
Also
>that last scene in the BD one
Holy shit she's so cute.

>>161205566
>It has well written character with moe traits sprinkled in
How were they "Well written". Well shit, No Game No Life had well written characters, so did Re:Zero, and also KonoSuba, and Log Horizon. How many more LNs should name off that do a pretty good job at making good, cute, well written characters?
>and dialogue that makes it really fun listen to
Same as with the well written characters counter argument, how many do you want me to list off?
>Also some basic but well executed themes you generally don't find in "self insert" shows
Like what?

It seems weird to think of adult Kissshot going nuts over donuts. I keep thinking of loli Shinobu and adult Kissshot as different people.

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>>161205651
Reminder that Ougi is an emotionless powerful oddity, not your waifu. Know the dangers.

>>161205674

They just change shit when they feel like it.

They made Hanekawa's boobs bigger in the episode, too:

http://imgur.com/a/edmcN

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>>161205838
>emotionless powerful oddity, not your waifu

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>>161205707
>Well shit, No Game No Life had well written characters, so did Re:Zero, and also KonoSuba, and Log Horizon.

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Lads, I'm in love with Ononoki's design.

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>>161205617
I like you, anon. You have Gusto.

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>>161205957
Well it's true

>>161205901
Is it just me or does Shinobus face look a bit more grown up in some shots on the BD?

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>>161205838
>emotionless
Did you even watch Ougi Dark?

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>>161206056
You're welcome to think that.

>>161206135
gweh

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>>161206137
And you're welcome to think monogatari is in any shape a good series

>>161205707
>Konosuba
>Well written characters
They're vehicles for jokes. I'd hardly call them well written. Funny, but not well written or interesting.

>>161206243
Not a single character from any of those series has half the nuance of any monogatari character.
Don't think that an entertaining character is necessarily a well written one.

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>>161206308
>Not a single character from any of those series has half the nuance of any monogatari character
Yeah, you can think that, buddy. It's okay, we're in your little circlejerk thread~ No one will ever laugh at your retardation here

>>161206385

Then you should probably go to >>>/v/ and discuss your masterpiece there

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>>161206385
>calling monogatari shit
>meanwhile posting some ecchi garbage
I don't know how you can even feel superior when you're even more degenerate than most of us.

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At least hating on MAL is a tradition. You can always tell how new someone is when they mention reddit.

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>>161203797
Asuka is trash
Misato is trash
Pic related is strongest

>>161206385
It's funny that you think bottom of the barrel trash like Re:Zero Log Horizon and NGNL even rates by comparison.
Shit that is literally written to be a self insert fantasy, instead of something that masquerades as such.

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I like the show at the absurd face value and interesting sharp aesthetics while high. DUDE WEED LMAO

none of the nekomonogatari torrents seem to have any seeders left
is it okay to skip it or should I keep digging?

>>161206455
>calling monogatari shit
I never did, i'm saying it's not as good as the fans make it out to be. It's just subpar light novel.
>>161206450
Oh no, you told me to go to /v/! What shall i ever do when a reditor tells me to go somewhere else?

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>>161206385

>>161206459
But anon. Reddit is great. How else can I get my votes validated by likeminded individuals when I say Snake is best girl.
>implying this isn't falseflagging
>implying the Redditgahara forced meme wasn't going to be mentioned in response.

>>161203759
I actually use it to keep track of the Animes I watch, because I never looked for an alternative. The reviews and whatever other users are doing is nothing I care about. What does /a/ use?

Long before I used MAL I only kept track in a notepad and this was something I just stumbled upon.

>>161206531
>It's just subpar light novel.
I would certainly concede if we were comparing it to War and Peace or some Dostoevsky novel, but I just witnessed you compare it to NGNL like they're at all of a similar level of quality.

Your inferiority complex and low standards are keeping you from realizing how absolutely absurd you're being.
On a scale of 1-10, how pathological and parasitic of a lifestyle do you lead?
I'm just curious.

>>161191194
I'd agree with this post and a lot of the others saying it was overrated.

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>>161206581
>I only kept track in a notepad
I-I still do that.

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>been reading the translated LNs through the new Vertical releases
>they're pretty good despite a few weird translation choices
>Nise releases
>translate "Platinum mad" to "dagnabit mad"
>mfw

>>161194504
>poor punctuation
>"""""haters"""""
I enjoy Monogatari but you're making everyone in this thread look bad.

>>161206581
My anime backlog is a bookmark folder of MAL pages. They just keep piling up and I keep forgetting the names of the shows I've put there but if I check the page I can remember what the show's about at glance of the production year/company and the title picture. And yeah, would never bother with anything retard dweebs there have to say.

Same with me, I still have a text file backlog somewhere but haven't bothered with it in ages.

>>161206664
>overrated.
How?
It's not even that popular, and its fans consistently are only watching for the sake of the characters, which actually underemphasizes some of the higher qualities of the show.

Don't act like some dumb poll on some dumb website actually reflects wider public reception.
Nisio hasn't been nominated for an oscar fucking ever, nor is he going to be, nor should he be, but the books are fine pieces of writing regardless.

>>161206702
I get that. I don't care for the cancerous people on MAL, so I don't bother. I just keep my list and am happy with it. Not sure if I should feel ashamed for that. I'd like to know what people who say it's that cancer use anything better at all out of interest.

Still, I'd probably stick to my MAL list since I don't want to enter everything again ...

>>161206581

I use iMal to keep track of my stuff. Just the lists with none of the reviews

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>>161206780
I'm dagnabit confused as to why they did that.

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>>161206619
Hey, i'm not arguing here. Enjoy rolling in your feces of a show you love so much. Good for you on having a show you love so much, you're willing to look like a fool defending it. Just remember, it's hardly anything special and realize that. It's just a shitty self insert series you enjoy. Just like how NGNL is my self insert series i enjoy.

>>161206860
I'm not switching to anything else because I'm too lazy to search for everything.

>>161206883
Because the "pun" doesn't work with platinum.

>>161206581
I just have text files of my watched series and backlog. If I ever need to redownload everything I just have to salvage one of my backups of the text file that I've saved somewhere like my email or google drive.

This thread is full of newfags and redditors
It's a shame such a good novel series as Monogatari attracted such a retarded fanbase with its adaptation

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>>161206883
When Yotsugi calls for Araragi she calls him Demo-ther, using CR subs.

How do they get to that sort of translation.

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>>161206915
>shitty self inster series
>>161206531

>>161206915
I'm not arguing either, I'm having a laugh.
I'd only argue if I thought I had a chance of convincing you of anything.
I'm not above a bit of getting a chuckle out of how you think you're a functional human like the rest of us though.
Ressentiment is something I don't hate being cast in my direction from time to time.

>>161207050
I'm guessing it's a pun with Oni, meaning Demon and Onii-Chan being brother. So they kind of mixed it and got Demother? I mean in the japanese version she probably says Oni-chan with only one i, which would make the pun work.

>>161207050
>>161207111

She used to call him oni-onii-chan. That's pretty much what it translates to verbatim

>>161207184
Yeah she used to, that was also translated to demon brother or demonic brother. But as soon as she only called him oni-chan it translated to demother.

Why were yesterday's Monogatari threads so good and today's so shit?

>>161207324
It got too popular for /a/.

>>161207324
They started off with the wrong OP.
This one is clear bait and the other one is just going about 1 scene. I'll probably try to make a decent one once one of them dies. I genuinely enjoyed the discussion yesterday so I'd like to have something like that again.

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>>161207082
Hey man, you like swallowing any shit shaft gives you, we understand. That's why most of us on /a/ stay as far away from you as possible. Enjoy life, man. Just because you like shit doesn't mean you can't be happy with showing it~ Just look at Umaru fags, they don't care how much shit they eat, they just eat it

>>161204905
She's an oddity, a methaphorical representation of a psychological problem. She doesn't live anywhere, other than as a literal meme inside the brains of others.

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>>161207512

>>161207512
Your projector is blinding me, please, stop trying to make me watch your seasonal trash.

>>161207512
>That's why most of us on /a/ stay as far away from you as possible.
>"us on /a/"
>we stay as far away as possible

Yet you're here, /a/.

Probably not.

>>161209947
I do fear that owari s2 is not going to be beaten anytime soon.
Like theres some popular series that gets announced to have a special like it, but if you expect something as good you'll just be disappointed.

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>>161188567
>masterpiece

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how the fuck did araragi drive a car in Hanamonogatari if he can't get a license since he is a vampire?

>>161210249
He obviously got a picture taken while he was a human during owari.

>>161210249
He's half human half vampire again, and I bet he uses his vampiric side a lot less so he isn't turning into one, therefore he will show up in photographs and into mirrors, like he did before nearly fucking Tsuhiki in the bathroom in idontevenrememberwhatgatari.

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>>161210423
Tsukimonogatari.

>>161210249
Senjogahara sees his reflection as she's explaining why she got her license and remarks how it wasn't necessary.

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>>161210540
God I loved everything that took place in Tsuki out in the snow.

>>161211332
Because he's a human again after his resurrection. He doesn't get his driving licence in between his resurrection as a human and becoming a half-vamp again to bind Shinobu to him at the end of Owari S2, Hana is later.

So, most likely in Hana he's just still in the half vamp half human, and he's not vampiric enough to lose his reflections. Easy.

Speaking of which, what would they do if he becomes vampiric again? Ask Gaen to reset him to human again or what

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>>161211364

>>161211438
Probably he would just stop using his abilities like he did in Tsukil

Do people in Japan want college shenanigans with the Specialists as badly as we do? Or are they all about Araragi's harem?

>>161211466
Not using his abilities didn't fix the vampire side effects though, so he would have to live hidden anyway.

>>161211529
>becomes vampiric again
Anon didn't specify how vampiric, so we don't know in what state he it, besides, it wont happen anyway, he swore to not use his abilities again and to not use shinobu for everything but more for her knowledge, and it's been going pretty good with that promise so far.

>>161211556
>he swore to not use his abilities again and to not use shinobu
I wonder if he can really promise that though. Isn't he going to attract oddities for the rest of his life?

>>161211631
It's going pretty good so far, except that Shinobus old pure blood vampire master came to the town.

>>161204021
I thought that was Madoka (Madoka-haters don't just hate it; they practically think liking it should be bannable).

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>>161203797
>EVA
>not being pure edge shit tier trash with bland uninteresting characters
The name of the show literally means nothing and was just random religion terminology thrown together to sound cool as admitted by the writer.
Constant unrelated religious imagery for more edge factor including calling the weird aliens "angels"
Muh "fuck my life, poor me with the tragic backstory" like every other character.
Shitty writing that doesn't make sense is called "revolutionary deconstruction of bla bla bla" more pseudo-intellectual mumbo jumbo to hide the fact that they're just edgelords watching a shitty anime for the shitty females which literally don't have anything unique about them and are purely cardboard cutouts of their tropes (even if they're the original and the reason those tropes exist, they still lack individuality)
The characters don't seriously consider or discuss their situations in any depth and rather just blunder about getting their feelings hurt until they have no choice but to follow the plot and go fight the aliens making any of the previous events leading up to it pointless edgy drama.

The storyline of the Shadow The Hedgehog game had more depth than EVA and it was literally about a character with a tragic backstory choosing between ignoring others, killing others, or helping others while still being selfish. All routes pointing to varying levels of edge such as endings where you kill Sonic and eradicate humanity. But at least Shadow had to actually confront his problems and make a choice rather than be railroaded into fighting the robots by a generic villain archetype who was his father (oh so edgy my dad is the worst fuck my life)

Calling EVA a well written show by any stretch of the imagination is like saying Rick and Morty is a show for "intelligent people"

>>161211834
What book is that? Is it in Monster Season?
Why hasn't he killed himself

>>161212050
>Constant unrelated religious imagery for more edge factor including calling the weird aliens "angels"
How is that unrelated? The symbolism makes perfect sense.

>>161205754
Anon, you still don't realize that Kiss-Shot is very childish when things are not serious?

>>161212062
Shinobumonogatari, yes, Monster Season.
Well, he died pretty often but his life is getting better, though somehow, he was able to meet pre vampire Shinobu (Acerola) in heaven and do lewd things with her, I'm not making things up, this has been confirmed by quite a few people, sadly I don't know exactly what happens in the novel

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>>161212050
>The characters can't handle their probl

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>>161212050
>>161212180
>ems
>One of the show's core theme is about miscommunication and the barriers between people
Wow it's almost as it that's the point

>>161205754
in kizumonogatari(i think) she said that her personality changed when she lost a lot of her power so they kind of are different people to some extent

>>161205754
>It seems weird to think of adult Kissshot going nuts over donuts
When did she do that? I just remember Araragi mentioning donuts as a reason for her to stay with him but she already had made her mind up anyway

>>161212270
Basically, it's like shrinking in brain capacity, she even can't remember a lot of things at 10 years old from. Although 8 years old Shinobu seems to have no such problem.

>>161212446
> she even can't remember a lot of things at 10 years old from. Although 8 years old Shinobu seems to have no such problem.

Nisio is truly a brilliant writer

>>161212446
Could be that Oshino just told her all of the shit that happend and gave her information on oddities

What subs should I use when watching Owari S2?
Is there only horribleshit?

>>161212794
There's also the cr rip.

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>>161212912
>Is there only horribleshit?
>There's also the cr rip.

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>>161212912
>There's also the cr rip.
Is this bait?

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>>161212912
Good. CRips are just so much better than Horrible Subs. It's a real game changer.

>>161212912
You're fucking retarded.
Though I don't really get why poeple care for the subs, as long as its not some meme shit or shit like commie it's fine, isn't it?

>>161212912
>The absolute current state of /a/

>>161213126
Commie is objectively the best sub group

>>161213126
CRrips are fucking atrocious sometimes.
>Big Devil-ther

>>161213236
I'm not defending CR, but how would you get the pun working if not like that?

>>161213354
>Devil Big Brother
>Big Devil Brother
Besides, if someone doesn't get the pun there's no point translating it.

>>161213383
But she's literally calling him Oni-san.
She isn't calling him Oni-onii-san anymore.

What order am I supposed to watch this shit in again?

>>161206581
everyone uses MAL to keep track of their shit

but the moment you start actually caring about how MALshitters rate shows is the very moment you need to fuck off this board

>>161213597
Bake>Nise>Neko Kuro>Second Season>Hana>Tsuki>Owari1>Koyomi>Kizu>Owari2

>>161213597
Either go with airing order or this.
>>161210350

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>>161213597
Either broadcast or Bake > Kizu > Neko > Nise > S2 > Tsuki > Owari 1 > last two episodes of Koyomi > Owari 2 > Hana

>>161213597
>watching shit in order other than release
a special kind of retarded

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>>161213735
>being too retarded to watch it in order of when the events happened.

>>161213674
This except put Kizu in front of Nise, like how the novels were written. Normally I'd go pure broadcast order but everything after Kizu references it so heavily. It doesn't carry the same sense of mystery that Bake had, by keeping the events of Kizu in the dark.

>>161213777
spot the newfag who missed the fun of watching star wars in the original order

>>161213803
I have no problem with this, so I suggest this or airing date.

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>>161213814
>being on /a/
>watching star wars
Outta here normie.
Also, is there even a way to watch the movies other than going by numbers? Also I already watched the series in airing order like 3-4 times, so I've been trying out the chrono order.

>>161204021
So it's really good, but you hate it because it's popular. Got it.

>>161213915
>the joke
>
>
>
>your head

it was an allegory moron with star wars in this case being monogatari series
jesus christ i cant believe i share this board with this kind of stupid

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>>161213735
>Not watching Kizu second and Hana last
You're seriously fucking up your enjoyment of Owari if you do either.

>>161213915
>normie
good thing summer is over in about a month

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>>161213975
>lol look ive made a joke, look how funny I am and how retarded you are for simply not giving a shit about it
End yourself, senpai.

>>161212118
The religious imagery in the anime is as insignificant and meaningless as the name of the series which the author admitted was meaningless.
>(You)
"In this moment I am euphoric, not because of any good author's writing, but because I am enlightened by this deep thought provoking """"symbolism""""

>Any of the symbolism in EVA
>meaning anything
what a joke.

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>>161214015
>implying I'd leave
I'm gonna be on this board as long as Monogatari threads exist, senpai.

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>>161214119
>One of the two core themes of the show is rebirth
>The Bible is about birth and rebirth
But you're right. It doesn't mean anything.

>>161214000
I did this last rewatch with Kizu first, then Neko(Kuro), then everything else normal.
Was pretty great actually.
Won't make sense to move Hana until there is more, but I'm not opposed to the idea.

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>>161213694
>>161213674
>>161210350
Uh..

>>161214235
I guess if we get everything animated till Shinobumonogatari we'll be able to move Hana somewhere between the main series and Shinobumonogatari.

>>161212219
>ems
typo? or reference/acronym I don't get?
trying to figure out if you're talking about EVA or the show my reaction image was from.

>>161214281

Other people are being stupid and making things complicated for no reason, follow >>161213674

>>161214281
If you're original anon, this
>>161213680
is basically either the order in which it aired which is the normal order people watch which goes like this
Bake
Nise
Neko:Kuro
SS
Hana
Tsuki
Owari
Koyomi
Owari 2
the 3 kizu parts are changeable, they take place before bake, were planned to release between bake and nise, but were released between koyomi and owari 2. The chronological order is the order in which things happened, which people sometimes choose when they're rewatching the series.

>>161214281
Just watch production order.
Always watch production order.
Even if for some absurd reason it's not optimal, it always works.

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>>161214281
Basically you have three options.

>>161213694
is a modified broadcast order with two of the shoes moved into their locations chronologically. Kizu being moved into second place is because that was how it was released in LN form and the rest of the series is written assuming that you already read Kizu. Hana is moved because it has no real importance in the plot and only spoils things later on.

>>161213674
This is just straight anime broadcast order.

>>161213680
This is the book release order. Ignore it.

>>161214287
I need Shinobumonogatari animated now. And where are those people who said Araragi kissed princess beauty in heaven, where are details?

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>>161214396
Fuck off, that isn't even the book release order, it's close to chronological, which yes, he should ignore if it's his first time.
>>161214399
I mean it's pretty much confirmed it happened, but I also haven't seen any details at all. Seriously, the only thing I know is that rrgi somehow went to heaven and did lewd things to Acerola while kissing her. I'd spoil it for other people myself, but sadly I'm still working on my japanese.

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>>161214494
Wow, nevermind it turns out I might need to readjust my eyes or some shit.

Everything else I said still stands.

Why is Hanekawa such a cuck

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>>161214185
>one of the core themes is rebirth
>one of the hundreds of themes in the bible is rebirth

wow! there was fighting in the bible too, and there was fighting in EVA!!!! WOOOOAHHH WHAT A CONNECTION!!!!
>In this moment I am euphoric...

Of course if you shove a shit ton of imagery of something deep and complex into a shitty 2D show full of 1 dimensional characters then something will match but note how the majority of religious imagery in EVA doesn't depict anything about rebirth but rather random church imagery and words like Neon Genesis Evangelion which have no context nor do they have any meaning to be connected to the themes of the story. That's why it's just edgy shit, because the imagery is only meaningful by coincidence and a stretch of the imagination.

>>161214611
You do know the show isn't actually called Neon Genesis Evangelion, right? It's Shinseiki Evangerion, or "Gospel of the New Beginning". The show ends (I know this might be a surprise) with there being a new beginning for all of humanity.

It's not like the religious symbolism is why people like the show anyways. It's because it's a master class in foreshadowing, cinematography and character writing.

Also
>Evangelion
>2D characters
Have you actually watched this show?

>>161214399
>>161214494
I want this
>>161180210
anon to translate it for us.

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I think I have fallen in love with Oshino Ougi.

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>>161215239
The more Ougifags the better.

>>161214951
Then he will be the greatest anon in 4chan history.

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So besides all of the famous loli doujins and the one where Shinobu tells Senjyogahara to jump off a building, what other good Monogatari pornography is there?

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>>161188567
No.

Not because there will never anything as good produced, but because your taste is objectively shit and the industry has moved on from producing such garbage.

You will never see filth that you laud as a masterpiece ever again. Thank God we don't have to suffer though seeing more rubbish like that thanks to the industry getting better and catering to people with objectively good taste.

>>161215344
There probably is quite a good amount of it, but I'm mostly just looking the loli doujins up to read what's happening in it or to get reaction images. So I can sadly not provide if you're not looking for loli doujins.

>>161214600
Her hair really is awful

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>>161215402
>nisio is literally considered a demi-god in nippon
>industry is moving on from such garbage
Either your taste is shit, or a whole nation has shit taste, which is not the case.

>>161215402
I'm conflicted as to whether or not i like Math.

On one hand, she's slightly generic, but on the other hand she's done very well and she's got greats hips.

>>161215453
Anon, that's a shitty defense and you know it. One of the highest grossing films of all time is Avatar. Are you going to defend fucking Avatar?

>>161214494
>Araragi goes to heaven
>what does he want there?
>molesting Acerola, of course

Every time I think Araragi can't be more based than he already his, he comes back stronger and dickslap my assumptions.

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>>161215493
>generic
>insane girl obsessed with math that systematically solves problems by creating a giant scene that always backfires very hard solely on her
>knows she is crazy and uses psychological tricks on herself so she can pretend to be a normal girl, but still goes all out when she sees something that needs to be fixed

>>161215698
I said slightly. Her archetype and her background have all been done before, but the actual execution of her character and her hips are phenomenal.

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>>161215817
Well, if you're going by "abused girl", you can find at least two more in this series alone, or if you're misusing "tsundere" there is one other.

Help me anons.
I've been learning japanese for about 6 months now, but no matter how far I get, no matter how much I get done in a day, no matter how much I improve, I just feel empty. The singular purpose I've started learning this language is for this series, reading the untranslated novels, watching it without subs. Everytime I read the word "untranslated" I immediately start learning again, as hard as I can, because deep down I know i shouldn't be wasting my time with 4chan but should instead use the time to get closer to my only goal in life at this point, I envy those who are able to do understand it already, so I work even harder when I see someone like that, sometimes studying it a full night or a full day, but no matter how hard I study, when I look back, I just notice how little I've archieved in the picture of actually being able to read the novels, I still have so much in front of me, so much to learn, so much to bash into my head until I know it without having to think about it, and even if I'm making better progress than most people, in the end, I just get crushed when I see people already reading it, I know I'm doing a good job, but even if I can't go any faster than I already am, I still want to study harder, hoping that it would get me closer, and if I don't actually study when feeling crushed by it, I can just feel the weight, the emotional crushing in my chest. What am I supposed to do? I can't learn any faster than I already am, but I can't do anything once I actually get reminded that I should study more and more, even though it's simply not possible because japanese needs it's time. I can't even put it into the back of my head because the series is over for now, and the threads are dying. Help me anons, this is going to kill me.

>>161215997
kids learn stuff because they have no predispositions towards what they are learning. eventually situations build and shape and mold us yada yada. try to emulate a childs mindset. do not think of how little youve done or compare yourself to others. just have fun with it. im sure you can learn if its fun for you.

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Look, Monogatari is great and all but at least admit they use filler dialogue a lot. I mean, in some situations other anons have pointed out, you can shorten their "banter" from paragraphs to a simple sentence.

I like the filler banter, but sometimes it becomes unenjoyable, like in some parts of Hanamonogatari and Nekomonogatari.

>>161214853
>Gospel of the New Beginning
it's an abstract coming of age story about fighting abstract aliens with giant robots. The only "New Beginning" part is the fact that they lose which is supposed to seem like some deep and thought provoking event when in reality it's just "they fucking lost". Then "Gospel" is thrown in for more meaningless religious imagery.

>Evangelion, >2D characters
1D characters*
>Have you actually watched the show
Yes and I wish I hadn't since I typically have high standards for what I watch. It was a solid 4/10 or in a rating system that makes sense ranging from -5 (literally torture) to +5 (a masterpiece) it was a -1 with 0 being boring shit that neither engages you nor turns you off from watching

>It's not like the religious symbolism is why people like the show anyways. It's because it's a master class in foreshadowing, cinematography and character writing.
foreshadowing was pretty good, cinematography was great for its time but absolute shit by today's standards (perhaps watching one of those remakes might change my mind on the series) and character writing was subpar at best but I'm sure with its innovations in tropes that it was probably considered great in its time. Ultimately it's a mediocre series that loses points for trying to be something deep and profound when it's not.

>>161215453
>a whole nation can't have shit taste
Japan has proven that wrong repeatedly since the dawn of anime.

>>161216328
Filler is something which contributes absolutely nothing to the story, not something which can maybe be shortened.
It's not filler.

>>161216380
>the New Beginning part is because they lose
What? NERV achieved its goals and Shinji became a better person in the end. The End of Evangelion is a happy ending.

The reason it's a "new beginning" is because humanity has been drastically changed by Instrumentality and the world can literally never be the same.

>1D characters
Name more than two anime that have the same amount of plot and character development as EVA in the span of 26 episodes and a movie. Every Evangelion character is fleshed out to a ridiculous amount.

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>>161216462
But it contributes nothing to the story other than make it longer, so yes it is filler. Sometimes they go on and on and on nad I just think "Fuck just get to the point already" because they circle around the idea for 10-20 minutes

>>161216563
Shortening natural dialogue between two characters can do a great deal to damage the story, because it can give the impression that the characters have changed in ways that they shouldn't have.
Certain characters are going to talk about certain things for longer, and in a certain manner.

And even could it have been cut down, again, so long as the conversation itself is relevant, it's by definition not filler.
An episode where everyone goes to the beach for no good reason is filler. It contributes nothing.
A scene that carries on for a little bit too long is not.

is monogatari over now?

>>161216683
No, a scene that carries on for no good reason is filler because you want to fill up the remaining time allotted for the anime.
A episode where everyone goes to the beach is also filler because you want to fill up the remaining time allotted for the anime.
You are trying to draw a line here and sadly it's wrong.

>>161188567
>monogatari
Leave this board, nisio!

>>161216763
Even if you were right, such accusations are rather goofy when you're adapting something that doesn't actually need to 'fill' a time slot, and which already has to cut a substantial amount of context to the point where people are still regularly confused about what exactly is going on.

>>161205707
>NGNL
>good characters
Just stop. The story is fine but the characters were far from good.

>>161216881
Yeah I knew you were going to say that. Nisio trying to pad his novel with filler is the same with the anime trying to pad the time with filler. Same shit.

>>161216914
No it isn't.
There's nothing to, 'fill,' if we're talking etymology.
Especially in a novel.
Regardless, this is going to be terribly difficult to discuss if we don't talk specifics.
What exactly did you think could be shortened, how exactly would you shorten it, and why exactly would it help the story?

>>161217015
Because some parts the usual banter happening are not as entertaining for me and I want it to end. If that were the case, remove some parts of it and get to the point.

I'm not the kind of person that wants all action, but I also don't want people talking too much when we already know where this is going, or when the point is already clear to me, the viewer.

I recognize that this is Nisio's writing style (padding) but I don't mind most of the time, in fact I find some entertaining.

>>161217128
Ah, the old "I don't like it, therefore it's [buzzword]."

>>161217274
Oh please, it's not like it isn't all true. You have no argument from the very first point I raised. Nisio pads his novels with filler conversations. Just stop.

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>doesn't know japanese
>hate monogatari

>>161217309
That's a different anon.
I asked for specifics.
You didn't give them.
I'm getting tired of this conversation.

>>161217128
>>some parts the usual banter happening are not as entertaining for me

There it is.

It's not filler just because you decide a certain part is a filler.

>>161206531
A subpar light novel series will never get any exhibition and continuously being animated. Monogatari has done few events alongside Nisio Isin Matsuri. What did your subpar NGNL and Re Zero got up until now?

>light novel
Try searching monogatari or even any Nisio's book besides Zaregoto/Ningen in LN section inside any bookshops in Japan.

>>161217395
Nisio is in that uncomfortable category between pulp fiction and genuine literature, so the LN crowd accuses it of being pretentious while the literature crowd derides it as trash.

>>161217383
What specifics do you want? I just described to you how it usually is. Please, they do it all the time. Sometimes they repeat the things they say, sometimes they circle around a idea, sometimes it's word play that has no relevance to the story.

>>161217383
And you can't say it's not filler just because you think it isn't. Filler is putting words that have no value to the story, to pad the number of pages or the time used for the anime.

>>161217484
>ometimes they repeat the things they say, sometimes they circle around a idea, sometimes it's word play that has no relevance to the story.
So you shouldn't have trouble finding an example, no?
I'm only asking for one, why you think its length is a problem, and how you would fix it.

Or are you the kind of critic who throws out vague circumlocution in an attempt to justify a gut reaction?

>>161212149
>he
Hoo boy

>>161217572
>>161217484
In any case, I'm going to bed, anon.
Write something or don't, I doubt I'll see it.

>>161217479
Nisio is literally a modern Kyogoku with less charm compared to Mori Hiroshi. I get why people consider his writings as such.

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>>161193662
Because people who dont know japanese watch it and "enjoy". Seriously, it's one of few anime where you lose half of content in translations.

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>>161215997
I have learned for a year before I was able to get into visual novels. And holy shit, do they boost your japanese. It actually start to feel like you are making progress and start understanding it bit by bit.
So get your grammar down, be able to read NHK easy news then dive into content.
At least that was what lifted the weight in my case.

>>161215997
Ganbatte anon. Just remember that learning a language is one of the hardest things you've ever done but speaking it is one of the easiest things you do regularly. You'll get there eventually.

>>161218479
>>161219414
I'll just hope that there's gonna be some kind of barrier that I'm gonna break through in the next couple of months.

>Top tier
Kizu

>High tier
Bake
Second Season
Owari S2

>Mid tier
Owari S1
Hana

>Low tier
Tsuki
Neko

>Bottom tier
Koyomi
Nise

>>161219755
>shit tier
Everything

FIFY

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>tfw this show was too deep for me

i didnt understand what was happening

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>>161219792
>bait

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>>161193662
>>161195124
>now
This is nothing. Around 2010 literally every thread was filled with gore spam.
You guys remember that? It was the most childishly hated show on the board.

>>161193662
Just a bunch of edgy faggots who don't like popular stuff. Just ignore them.

>>161219923
/a/ is full of manchilds after all.

>>161219870
So you know how people talk about having demons in a metaphorical sense? What if those were literal demons? That's Monogatari. That's as deep as it gets. The rest you just need to pay some fucking attention to the plot and character relationships.

>>161205957
>Re: Zero
>Konosuba
>NGNL
>Well written characters

Well maybe if you are 15 yo.

Do you actually consider Nisio as a good author?

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>>161221399
Yes.

>>161221399
For LN author, he's good

If Ougi has them skills on bicycles, does that mean Araragi have them too?

>>161219923
>gore spam

Someone post the gif

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>>161223710

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>>161221399
what kind of criteria are we going by here? good author as in deserves a place in the immortal literary canon, or good author as in consistently entertaining reads? cause I'll definitely say the latter.

guy really needs to work on his comedy though, it's bizarre how he can do a lot of subtle understated dialogue conveying all sorts of emotions, but when it comes to jokes and references he needs to deploy flashing signs saying THIS IS JOKE HERE LET ME RESTATE THING I AM REFERENCING JUST TO BE ON THE SAFE SIDE

>>161223921
I wish there was more screentime with Araragi and Kanbaru.

>>161205123
Most of them looked better before the author developed a fetish for short hair.

>>161219870
>Monogatari
>deep
Really anon?

>>161188567
>generic main character
>harem elements
>shitty story
>pornogatari
>masterpiece
Nice bait.

Pretty overrated show desu I enjoyed the first season but it quickly became an absolute chore listening to episode after episode of these faggots talking in circles and the author having some kind of wordplay jerk that was entirely lost in translation and lost on me because I don't know japanese

I'm convinced people just pretend to like the show way more than they actually do or even understand what the characters are talking about most of the time. Also shaft artstyle and animation quirks get really old after 12 episodes

>>161219953
Well that's why /a/ likes garbage like monogatari

>>161225484
>I'm convinced people just pretend to like the show

love this argument

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>>161225496
>/a/ likes monogatari
>>161225385
>>161219792
>>161217337
>>161216807
>>161216452
>>161207512
>>161206915
>>161204021
>>161203614

>>161225605
There are plenty of monogatari threads everyday, so yes, a big part of /a/ likes it