What did Anno mean by this?
>>161122446
Shinji is fucked up
>>161122446
My personal take is that he was trying to throw shit at the otaku who just masturbate to every female character in anime and wage waifu wars and shit, and never see these characters as anything more than that, just fapping material, which is kinda fucked up in its own way, hence why shinji said that.
I mean I do get his point, but he is being a bit too much of a faggot about it IMO.
Or you know , he could just have put it there for shock value who knows.
>>161122473
yes
>>161122446
I fucking hate Evangelion.
>>161122804
That theory never made sense to me. Did the otaku's really feel guilty because of this scene? I certainly didn't. It seemed like an expression of shinji's sexual repression.
>>161122979
I never really saw why they would either, they probably don't give a shit in the first place and are probably too thick-headed to see the point he is making (assuming this theory is true and anno did mean that)
But I think the strongest backing for this theory is how anno has shown disdain for people who masturbate to cartoons in an interview, with him saying "We are living in a country of children, if they were real adults, they would have been too embarrassed to read cartoon pornography on the train" or something like that. I don' know if i remember correctly, I just vaguely remember hearing that somewhere.
>>161123476
Found it
>Anno pauses for a moment, and gives a dark-browed stare out the window. “I don’t see any adults here in Japan,” he says, with a shrug. “The fact that you see salarymen reading manga and pornography on the trains and being unafraid, unashamed or anything, is something you wouldn’t have seen 30 years ago, with people who grew up under a different system of government. They would have been far too embarrassed to open a book of cartoons or dirty pictures on a train. But that’s what we have now in Japan. We are a country of children.”
Link to full interview:-
http://animediet.net/commentary/hideaki-anno-interviewed-by-atlantic-monthly-by-way-of-getreligionorg
>>161123588
>"if i don't read comics in public I am adult!"
fucking idiot jesus crist
his self esteem is fucked up
>>161124134
The dirty books and porn I get, but what the fuck is wrong with reading comics to pass time while you're bored in public?
>>161123588
also
>who grew up under a different system of government
lol, fascism and death camps where people get tortured to death just for fun is clearly better.
Fucking old geezers just can't shut up
>>161124248
he just a dumb person, that's it
>>161124134
I think its not much the content that a person is reading but the appareance of a person that is reading it.
If you see a fat guy on the train you will never start thinking about how shit is his life or how he is a loser (that unless you are from /fit/). But lets say that such fat guy is wearing a fedora and playing on a 3ds. At that moment you start laughing and thinking how much of a loser is this man children and also taking pictures for /v/ to laugh at.
But lets say that you see the strongest guy you have ever seen in your life playing on a 3ds and he has a 10/10 girlfriend watching him play. Would you really call him a manchild? or take pictures for /v/ to laugh at? no.
Its more that we try to find workaround for the unspoken rules of society that is not to make fun of people because of their looks.
Also, Anno has fucking autism
>>161124384
I can't relate, i live in Siberia
But his position as a anime creator who hates his audience and otaku culture is ridiculously stupid.
>>161122446
Asuka has good tits but killed r boners with a hand
>>161123588
>The fact that you see salarymen reading manga and pornography on the trains and being unafraid, unashamed or anything, is something you wouldn’t have seen 30 years ago, with people who grew up under a different system of government.
That's rich coming from a shit born in 1960 who was born right into the Japanese Hippie craze and made his living by being the single most ultra-nerd around.
He's just an old hack who is now too cool for school.
>>161124475
Can't deny that evangelion is a bit too overrated. Just like madoka magica, the factor of being more "edgy" than the average anime of their genre is what make it stand out.
>>161122446
Anno made Shinji based on himself. This scene meant Anno fapped to Asuka.
>>161123588
Complains about cartoons yet he works for one what a asshole
>>161124315
>>161124384
>>161124455
>>161124475
Anno's worldview is really skewed and hypocritical in alot of ways desu. I mean sure, i'm a fan, but the way this guy thinks at times is ridiculous.
he and myazaki hate the otaku culture alot for some reason
>>161124543
I don't think it's overrated. I think it heavily reflects anxiety, depression, isolation, self worth very well. A lot of personal pain went into writing the characters and it has madr a very memorable and enjoyable series.
>>161122446
Breasts make boys jizz.
>>161124543
>Comparing Madoka to Eva
I'm not a big Anno dicksucker or anything, Eva isnt even in my top 10, but it changed the goddamn industryfor better or worse
>>161124981
The third impact sequence in end of eva in particular is fucking amazing and I'm surprised so few people talk about it
>>161124977
It's about intent and not so much that they are drawings
>Cartoons then
>good hearted fun you discuss enthusiastically with your friends
>Cartoons now
>makkers is so cute i wish maki-maki-maa was real and my girlfriend boo hoo life is cruel why isn't she real bros my extensive pillow collection can not even begin to fill the void
>yeah so what if she's 15 and i'm 25?
>>161125229
>good hearted fun you discuss enthusiastically with your friends
Yeah, you discussed which of the Bubblegum girls you'd like to bone the most, share pics of the revealing outfits in Dirty Pair or spread rumors about seeing Noriko's pubes in Gunbuster.
>>161125229
She not real so who cares if you start doing that in real life good luck when chop your dick off
>>161125229
I dont think a large amount of people unironically think like this, it's probably a very small minority
But again, the fuck do I know
>>161125311
>Yeah, you discussed which of the Bubblegum girls you'd like to bone the most, share pics of the revealing outfits in Dirty Pair or spread rumors about seeing Noriko's pubes in Gunbuster.
That's a massive upgrade from being basically shinji with your waifu shit and sulking around doing nothing.
>>161122804
But they aren't real.
>>161122979
>>161122804
I think it too.
A lot people claim anno hates his otaku fans, but did he BEFORE EoE? He hadnt even delivered his "go fucking live your lives".
The cult following and the misinterpretation of his message grew with time.
I honestly believe that the hospital scene is just "look at how fucked up shinji is"
>>161122446
Parallels.
>>161125435
Still it probably feels disgusting to put so much into a character or two and then have weebs wage shitty waif wars over them ignoring everything else except for the design and character dere type
>>161123476
>they would have been too embarrassed to read cartoon pornography on the train
Pretty sure the majority of otaku's aren't this autistic.
>>161125609
>blood
>Jizz
>fetus
???
>>161125707
not fetus , but the halfass remains of an angel
>>161125137
The series will always be my favorite, just upset I didn't watch it until I was 26 (watched it after a long time avoiding it while having extreme workplace anxiety for the job I eventually quit from).
>>161125704
pretty sure it's just salarymen
your life is fucking over at that point so why care
>>161125707
>blood
>Jizz
>fetus
Menstruation, Sex and Baby
>>161125813
I didn't watch it until I was 22 or 23 and I feel that it lives up to the hype. Between the art direction, the writing, and the general aesthetic of the series it really stands alone as something special. I haven't watched rebuild, so I can't speak for that but I think the original show and EoE hold up quite well and even the original ending holds some catharsis for me.
Then again I only watch anime casually...so I'm not sure if it stands up well to other series I may not have watched with similar vibes.
>>161125968
It does stand up pretty well even when compared to other anime, I got into anime 2 years or so ago and watched alot of anime before I got around to EVA.
The series was pretty good, and EoE was amazing.
But the rebuilds are pretty meh though
>>161125824
So its like Anno is trying to say that you will never enjoy the mystery of bringing life to this world with masturbation?
anime was a mistake
>>161122979
>Did the otaku's really feel guilty because of this scene?
I'm not sure if it was Anno's meaning or not, but if it was then he probably wouldn't care if they people he was criticizing in a scene understood it or not.
>>161126501
I think anno missed his chance of having a kid. He still wasnt too old by the time he did EoE, but he is now. It would probably have changed his life a lot.
It is hard for him to preach his message of anti escapism when he is a massive otaku, has no kids, do nothing but sulking around doing nothing for years till he finally decided to start working on 4.0 again.
>>161126717
If that is the case then Anno's at fault for making a shitty metaphor. Shinji had sexual frustration towards Asuka in particular, and Asuka is not a blameless wholesome personality, she essentially wants to be treated that way.
>>161127816
Naw, she doesn't want the be treated that way. She is just too autistic to actually be treated the way she wants
>>161122446
Establishing Shinji's sexual attraction towards Asuka and showing just how far he's fallen
>>161128810
Why didnt shinji just stuck the D inside the unconscious asuka? After all he already hit rock bottom. Why would he care?
Was it anno being afraid to show the rape of a 14 year old on the movie?
>>161130542
He's a creep but no rapist.
And the doctors might notice.
>>161130542
Rape would be way too intimate for Shinji to handle. Plus he genuinely isnt a bad guy or anything
>>161130542
No shinji is a sad but good boy.
>>161122446
Being heterosexual is toxic and its better to go gay. Fact of Eva: all het relationships are shown in a negative and unhealthy light.
>>161122446
Shini's a wanker
>>161130542
Whatever traces of goodness in him were stopping him from doing so.
He still wasnt evil. He was hypocrite, he acted terribly, but deep down he was more confused than evil.
>>161123588
Pff, what kind of loser Anno is? I get the feel to laugh at otaku with Naruto headband, but how short-sighted one must be to lump salaryman who just reads a chapter or two in a train while waiting to get home?
For someone preaching how otaku shit isn't everything in life he sees nothing but otaku shit.
I am Russian and my parents' favorite cartoons as kids were actually collaborations between Toei and Soyuzmultfilm (Sekai Meisaku Douwa, Penguin Lolo). My mom still loves seeing cartoons like Pixar's and dad actually really dug Spirited Away.
>>161128810
That was established early, it was put down thick in 9 and 10. Shinji was begging Asuka to get up, return to how things were with her making fun, teasing him, and him retreating. And it colors those earlier scenes like the fall of Jericho and hot spring, Shinji presumably jerked it afterward then, too. Shinji transgresses in hope he'll be punished, as soon as he sexualizes Asuka he becomes unwilling to touch her, same as ever, and then at the end nothing has happened except he has a handful of his sloppy junk after a self-centered, indulgent act. It's grotesque self-parody.
>>161134716
Well Shinji isn't meant for women.
>>161135017
Shinji isnt meant to anyone, and yet he will at least try if his decision in EoE sticks.
>>161135155
All he needs to do is have him and Asuka fight to the death and the survivor recreates humanity in their image from the lcl.
>>161135258
There is very little stablished about lcl and liliths god power, but i assume that with lilith and adam dead by EoE, it is impossible to manipulate humanity anymore, so they cant "recreate" humanity from the LCL. People need to go out of it on their ow
>>161135258
Lilith has a clear favorite, Asuka won't fight back, and Shinji's already refused to be God. They'd still be on that beach forever if that was how it worked.
>>161135676
Which is where time-slips come in
>>161122446
Anno meant that shinji is one messy fucker
How the hell do you even get your cum spread like that in your fingers?
Also there was absolutely NO form of paper around in a fucking hospital room?
>>161130542
I've been consumed by lust and have jerked off but I don't think is ever rape anyone.
>>161137154
Maybe he has a small dick
>>161122446
Commentary on the otaku community he both identified with deeply, but also hated (kind of like his own self hatred).
Evangelion the series was lightning in a bottle, an extension of one man's love for Ultraman and Mobile Suit Gundam, mixed with his own period of depression following a failed series.
Anno looked inward and found anger, and turned that into disgust for his new batch of fans following the tv series. So End's masturbation scene is about them, buying figurines, and jerking off to fourteen year olds. Shinji being in some way an avatar for the viewer, is disgusted at these actions.
Alternatively if you don't believe in being a faggot who reads too deeply into things, it all kind of goes back to the warped coming of age shit, and all the themes about sexuality and adulthood.
>>161137957
>Jacking to comatose asuka
>Not taking the opportunity to put her out of your misery
>>161125098
Madoka and Eva do have some striking similarities though. The word "subversion" is very often overused, but you can make strong arguments for both being subversions of staples anime genres (magical girl and mecha respectively).
Both users also heavily borrowed from tokusatsu franchises they loved in their youth, Kamen Rider Ryuki for Madoka and Ultraman/Godzilla for Anno.
Add in that both elevated the creators in the anime viewing community, to the point that they would years later get to work on those same franchises they loved so much, Kamen Rider Gaim for Urobochi and Shin Godzilla for Anno.
It's like poetry, they rhyme.
>>161138025
If Go Nagai were writing Eva then maybe Shinji would have necked Asuka.
>>161138105
>Asuka shares part of her name with Ryou
>But Kawaru is the Ryou analogue
Shit's fucked
Where did that mayo came from?
>>161130751
>And the doctors might notice.
They did notice. They wouldn't have interrupted.
>>161122446
Dude thought it was fucked up that even in a state of extreme emotional vulnerability, base desires could still get the better of him
so why didn't asuka turn into orange tang?
>>161142750
She did. She just rejected it early compared to everyone else because main character.
>>161122446
IT JUST KEEPS TUMBLING DOWN TUMBLING DOWN TUMBLING DOOOWN
>>161142750
She and shinji got tanged, we just dont get to see it.
>>161141792
They remember when Asuka was hiding while Shinji was in the hospital. They knew there was something there and gave him a pass.
>>161145833
>>161141792
Everyone at NERV hates asuka for whatever reason. Misato comments on the fact that NERV intel should been able to locate her much faster after she ran away, but they took their time for whatever reason.
>>161122446
he was drinking milk and accidentally got some on his hand
>>161146492
>Everyone at NERV hates asuka for whatever reason.
please don't make me feel even worse for her, it's bad enough as is.
I'd give'r a big load of sticky cream if you catch my drift.
>>161122446
Azuka is voiced by the girl that rejected him. What do you think?
Shinji's spunk has healing powers.
>>161146964
Where is this from?
>>161147084
Might be a one off, I couldn't find a source.
>>161122929
get in line
That scene is absolutely disgusting and you feel any kind of compassion for that baka shinji you are human trash.
>>161122804
Or it was thrown in to make otaku horny because Eva wasn't that deep and had as much fanservice and waifu shit as any other series.
>>161148958
Shut up, Asuka
>>161122804
>My personal take
Why do people say things like this when they're repeating verbatim things dozens of other people have said?