Owarimonogatari

crab has long hair again? she had short hair at the end of koyomimonogatari

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>>160956888
>Hitagi Rendezvous - 2 Episodes
>Ougi Dark - 3 Episodes
Fuck you shaft.

>>160956888
commie gonna pick it up??

>>160957896
I hope not, it doesn't deserve that abuse.

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>>160956888
>Ohgi

>>160957911
it's just crab and snail arcs, nobody cares
shame about spook though

>>160956888
She grew her hair back?

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>>160957962
>snail arcs
>nobody cares
leave.

>>160957977
that's right nobody cares
snail is an extremely low tier girl

>Only 7 episodes
Is the series running on empty?

>>160957962
>He thinks Mayoi Hell is about Snail
>He doesn't realize Bat steals the show

>>160958012
even worse

>>160957971
Respond to my post

>>160958006
It has the same amount of pages as the first part that also got 7 episodes. They should have made it together with the following book for a full season though.

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>>160957991
>that's right nobody cares
>likes spook

>>160957971
>>160957345
>>160958044
it's a fucking non linear series

>>160957991
Having this much shit taste should be a crime.

>>160958006
BD/dvd sales of the series are still above 10k, which is by seasonal anime standards, a major hit, and the stories are long enough to go even up to 4 episodes each without feeling too sparse, THE PROBLEM is that SHAFT prefers a faster pace and cuts ton of dialogue the LN's had.

I like Shaft style but hate their episode composition, fuckers are ruining great acs by rushing it for maximum profit.

>>160958006
The book's nowhere near 75% longer than Neko Black and that only got 4 episodes.

>>160957859
I agree, why did they have to make Hitagi Rendezvous 2 Episodes?

>>160958073
Owari and Koyomi are still 25k+ average.

And if you want perfect accuracy and every single scene you should read the book, other LN adaptations get 3 or even 2 episodes for a novel, 7 episodes is well above the norm. They just need to direct and pace it well.

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I welcome the return of best girl

>>160958212
pic unrelated

>>160958212
what return there's no monkey arc

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>>160958212

>>160958120
People just want more Monogatari and are disappointed that what we thought would be a 12 episode season got cut down to 7.

>>160958062

But koyomimonogatari takes place right before the whole mayoi hell thing happens, so timeline wise it IS weird.

>>160956888

Are these episodes going to be normal length, or what? I can't really imagine Mayoi hell fitting into just two episodes.

>>160960166

It is no different from the Owari 1 adaptation, same amount of pages and arcs for that book, also adapted into 2-2-3. Of course there will be stuff that gets cut, there always is.

Lowest page count per epsiode arc
Koimonogatari - 6 episodes, 48 pages per episode

Owari 1 - 7 episodes, 56 pages per episode
Owari 2 - 6 episodes, 56 pages per episode
>Owari 3 - 7 episodes, 56 pages per episode

Highest page count per episode arc
Kabukimonogatari - 4 episodes, 89 pages per episode

So when does this air, where do I watch it, and will it be immediately available in English?

>>160960429
At about 7-9am in japan, literally look anywhere, kissanime, gogoanime, etc.
Of course not, it's at the very least a couple of hours in between

>>160960055
Oh wow, Nanami is stronger than Kiss-shot and Ajimu?

>>160960671

I don't think it was a power ranking anon.

>>160961360

I'm blinded by the purity

>>160956888
Gonna see that glorious Dere-Shot animated.

>>160956888

trips

is there a release date yet?

>>160958212
You mean garbage.

Crab arc doesn't have OP, only Hell and Dark have.
They will add it on BD like they did with with Math second OP. Maybe.

Reminder that Nisio hates Crab. Koimonogatari is an arc about Crab's cheating. It makes Hitagi Rendezvous meaningless.

>>160957859
>>160958144
Wha's wrong with it? The date itself takes 1.5 episodes, Ougi's lecture takes a half. It's enough.

>>160961981

It's coming out in like, a day or two, I think?

>>160963886
They are saying it's too much, and would rather have 2-1-4 distribution over 2-2-3.

>>160962408
How is it about cheating? Crab spends the whole arc being like "fuck you Kaiki, I have Araragi-kun now".

>>160961829
>that moment when she's so happy, her laugh is genuine instead of "kaka"
HNNNNNNNG

>>160957962
The crab arc has Ougi, Tsukihi and Yotsugi in it too. The only fun parts of the arc even.

>>160964150
Secret meetings and phone calls are cheating.

>>160956888
Ougi Dark should be 4 eps long. Hitagi Rendezvous doesn't need to be more than one, you can cover the date part of it in less than 10 minutes because not much actually happens in it.

>>160964430

There's a reasonable amount of bantz as well as Ougi's little speech

>>160956888
Is Ougi Dark the arc where Oshino returns to save her from being eradicated?

>>160964508
Yes.

>>160958073
Shaft stopped caring after Nise, all the seasons after that one are botched so hard it hurts.
They still sell a lot so obviously that's not a problem.

>>160964181
That cuddeling is gonna end me

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Oh I will finally see cute blushing Crab and her request.

>>160964661
Aside from Kabuki and Nadeko Snake, Nisemonogatari is the most botched adaption.

>>160964661
Bake had some of those issues too. Most of the dialogue defining what Araragi and Kanbaru's relationship is was cut out (but yeah, they're not going to be able to fit everything into the anime)

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>>160964984
And this

>>160963886
Ougi Dark is more important,
>>160964064
hence this.

>>160965052

I like the banter but honestly I feel like these lines would have ruined the mood of that scene, at least within the anime.

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>>160965113
> Ougi Dark is more important,
Only important part is Dereshot. Ougi's part is boring shit as always.

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>>160957977

>>160965225
Dumb redditfag.

>>160965150
You are right. But Shaft cut a lot of Hitagi's lewd/provocative lines.

>>160965225
Apparently in the latest novel Araragi and Princess Acerola (human Shinobu) did some lewd stuff while naked in heaven

>>160964979
Visually botched.

>>160965792
Did the novel explain what happened with her curse?

>>160956888
I swear to god, if they cut Tsukihis scene, I'll skin all of Shaft with a rusty razor

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>>160961360

>>160965861
Like speculated it's "probably" because Kiss-Shot completely trew away her humanity away and began thinking of herself as a monster. Just my theory

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>>160958212

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>>160966309
I don't know what you are implying but if you are trying to correct Crab with Cat, then you are also wrong. Bat is the best gril of the monogatari series.

>>160958144
nothing really happens in that ark, and ougi dark is more important lore wise

>inb4 fucking ougifag kill your self
I dont like boys

>>160966386
Who the fuck cares about Lore.
Give me more Oikura

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>>160966625
Just one more season mathbro.

>>160966732
Math will die alone.

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>>160966943
Math will find a husband that is literally Araragi but loyal and that still enjoys math in a future timeskip. And she and Araragi will have a chapter long fight about who got the best partner.

>>160967113
> Math will find a husband
Never ever
She can't communicate with people. Single wrong word and she will break up with him.

>>160967208
She got a lot better by Musubi, probably enough for an attractive young woman to have some good options.

>>160967311
How do you even approach her? It's impossible.

>>160967113
>that is literally Araragi but loyal
Basically Araragi that isn't charming then. It's been shown time and time again that the chicks chase him harder than he chases them and most of them are too spineless to berate him about anything on top of that.

>>160967383
with talking about your math ph.d.

>>160967383
She isn't very aggressive against people she doesn't hold grudges. As long as she gets close enough for the partner to see her good qualities and he doesn't trigger her it should end fine. Hopefully someone who isn't from Naoetsu High since he would probably know about one of the school legends by name.

>>160967383
Given her interaction with Nadeko and how Karen and Tsukihi could convince her to live with their family, she seems to be pretty approachable for younger girls at least

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>>160958012
All the three arc is about Shinobu. Everything from Kizu to Owari is about Araragi&Shinobu.
>Mayoi Hell
Why did Araragi went to hell???
>Hitagi Rendezvous
What does Ougi want Araragi to do???
>Ougi Dark
What did Araragi decided in response to Ougi's request???

>>160967383
It's pretty easy for people that aren't Araragi

>>160956888
>Still watching this shit after kizumonogatari ended

Just kill yourselves.
Shinobu dies at the end.
Crab goes to the spirit world.
Cat marries Araragi.
Araragi's sisters move out home for school.

There you go, saved you 5 years.

>>160967645
Nadeko describes her as intimidating and hard-to-approach, doesn't she?

Also Sodachi saw through why Karen & Tsukihi asked her to stay at their house, she went through with it because he had no other option available to her and she does secretly desire that life on some level deep down, as shown in Koyomi Reverse

>>160967645
She was sort of fine in Fiasco as well, especially when everyone was being nice with her. She did mention she had trouble approaching guys because she is afraid of beatings though. Her relationship with Araragi is not her usual.

>>160967645
Younger girls wouldn't marry her.
She is 23 and has no experience with men. Hanekawa can find someone for her but Sodachi herself can't.

>>160967741
The opposite actually
>I’d heard some gossip and rumors that last October, Sodachi-onee-chan caused quite a storm at Naoetsu High School, but she was being so warm to me here that I wouldn’t even think to make a comparison.

>>160967741
Not especially, but Nadeko is a dense fuck as a narrator only surpassed by Karen in that regard so I dunno how much stock to put into how she describes people.

>>160964150
>Crab spends the whole arc being like "fuck you Kaiki, I have Araragi-kun now".

Actually, It was Hitagi saying "Look at me Kaiki!" and Kaiki replying "No Hitagi you are just a kid and you have Araragi now!" and at the end "Hitagi can't be with me because she won't get strong so Araragi I will leave Hitagi to you!".

>>160967836
She's considered pretty, has been confessed to before and even Araragi himself had feelings for her in the past. Also, she has mellowed out considerably, has a good job and a house, I think she's pretty good to go even if she's still a little crazy.

>Younger girls wouldn't marry her
I want Nadeko to marry Sodachi-onee-chan!

>>160967836
Was there any indication Hanekawa was some kind of expert on love that could find someone for any person? Even Sodachi was mentioned as someone who could understand people and became sort of Araragi's relationship counselor.

>>160967974
So is she a cheating slut?

>>160963886
More like the date itself is 1 episode worth of content and talking with Ougi, Yotsugi and Tsukihi is 1 episode worth of content.

>>160964685
I hope we get at least one full episode of that. I mean they were cuddling the whole time they were discussing important stuff or should I say while Gaen was busy explaining thing to make them more complicated..

>>160958012
Hachikuji is a qt and she takes center stage for most of it, even if Shinobu gets the best scene.

>>160968078
> Was there any indication Hanekawa was some kind of expert on love that could find someone for any person?
Hanekawa takes care of Sodachi sometimes.

>>160967948
Wasn't Nadeko very perceptive of people? Like how she was scared of Hanekawa and how she figured out loli Sodachi better than anyone else?

>>160968201
Using her connections to get her a college recommendation is one thing, finding the ideal partner for life and making it work is a completely different one.

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>>160961360
I need to pat all of those heads.

>>160968227
meant for
>>160968191

>>160967311
She MATURED too because she realized that Araragi&Hitagi should just "break-up"! She was like, I will kill myself if you don't get back together and then goes in reverse saying "you guys should just break-up!".

>>160967734
catfags really loves to daydream like crabfags.

Shinobu&Araragi will never die. If one of them did die, the other would just revive the one who died.

>>160968227
She knows a lot of different people now. She can introduce some nice guy to Sodachi or otherwise.
> Ouikura-san please give a shelter to this young math genius, bad guys are looking for him.
Or something l

>>160968293
5 years went by between these two events. Also, the reason she even went so far as to threaten them with suicide if they don't talk things out was because she felt it was her fault that they broke up in the first place.

>>160968293
She said something like "don't be a pussy go and bring her back or break up for good". Good advice.

>>160968098
Not a SLUT! She was just looking out for herself. She wants to be with the man she adores but sadly he thinks that she is just a child and worse he thinks that it is not good for her to be with him. Coupled with Kaiki having cold feet to enter into a relationship because of his romantic tragedy. Talk about complicated!

A CHEATER only because she does not let Araragi know about it or she will end up with nothing. IMO, that is a smart move.

>>160967734
Kinda hard for Cat to marry a dead guy

someone fixed the wikipedia apparently
shinobu mustard was better

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>>160958212
Seriously it's been a while

>>160968725
> She wants to be with the man she adores
> Kaiki
It makes her even worse. She loves Kaiki but fucks with Araragi and lies to him about everything.

We gonna get Koyomi Reverse all at once on newyears again you think?
Have they announced anything?

>>160968162
No she doesn't, snail plays an important part but she doesn't take any or much spotlight in dark

>>160968725
It's not like Araragi is much better. Groping his sisters and loli slaves and kissing cats.

If anything, they're perfect for each other.

>>160968986
>It's not like Araragi is much better
That reasoning doesn't really work, Gahara's the one who pursued him and not the other way around. Continues to stick with him despite knowing how he is too, he's not stopping her from leaving.

>>160968123
>More like the date itself is 1 episode worth of content
IMO, the date is just half of an episode. The entire date was just 5/8 of the entire arc and Ougi took one chapter from it. The next 2/3 part of the date can be packed in less than five minutes. SHAFT needs to add fillers to make the date look longer.

>>160969159
But on the other hand Senjyogahara knew nothing about his bullshit going in and was clearly trying to get away from Kaiki, which is more than Araragi can say. Considering he has an entire harem.

>>160969159
> Gahara's the one who pursued him and not the other way around
He wants to marry her.

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>>160956888
>that Spooky smirk
So cute.

>>160968986
>and kissing cats
Outside of his sisters and the apparitions the other chicks jump his dick instead of him pouncing on them. Get over it catfag.

>>160969218
>and was clearly trying to get away from Kaiki
She wasn't. Kaiki was the one who left.

>>160968836
>Kinda hard for Cat to marry a dead guy
Not "dead" but "undead". Only Hachikuji is technically "dead" because she does not have a physical body.

But If you meant that if Shinobu dies, Araragi will kill himself, I get what you mean.

>>160969298
Not talking about then. I'm talking about later on, when Senjyogahara kidnaps Araragi and attempts to wait out Kaiki being in town.

>>160969298
Why did Nisio do this? All Kaiki/Gahara shit. Is he a ntrfag or what.

>>160968986
I'd feel blueballed too if as a clearly horny teenager my girlfriend kept cutting every instance of hanging out together short to hang out with her dad too.

>>160968868
>Seriously it's been a while
If has been ages, On her arc, Hitagi can't even remember who she was anymore because she got placed inside her storage box for a very long time.

>>160969391
Because it makes sense for her character. He didn't write her for the sake of being a pure unsullied waifu, Araragi does the same.

>>160969391
Half of the cast has that going on. Senjyogahara is the rule, not the exception.

>>160969435
> it makes sense for her character.
Really?
> she kinda loves Araragi
> but actually she still loves Kaiki
What sense?

>>160969218
>>160969159
He has a point, about her never calling him out on it (or anything really). Araragi clearly just wants to live a carefree life, irrespective of how much you guys yell at this literal teenager to stop acting his age, he's not morally right for doing a lot of what he does (I don't think he himself ever says that he is outside of those tongue-in-cheek scenes like the milf magazine thing) but no one ever mentions how Senjougahara (and some of the others) are enabling him.

>>160969536
How much does Senjyogahara really know about his harem to begin with?

>>160969226
He needs to ditch Shinobu to actually marry her because marrying involves growing old together. If he does not, then he just wants Hitagi to stick around him until she dies. Worse, Hitagi would need to put up with the flirting going on between Araragi&Shinobu.

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>>160969535
I'm not the anon claiming she still has feelings for Kaiki; there's no evidence that she loves anyone but Araragi. It's stated that she'd fall for anyone who was willing to help her out with her supernatural malady though so it makes sense that she had (unrequited) feelings for Kaiki once.

>>160969573
She knows that he has a harem atleast. My point was more that she doesn't really call him out on anything at all. She's pretty lucky that Araragi excessively praises her every word as it is, honestly.

>>160969573
I don't think she has realized how far he goes with most of these girl. She breaks up with him over the girl he's least likely to cheat on her with and is also very jealous of her.

>>160969678
>I don't think she has realized how far he goes with most of these girl.
Most of them are just less extreme versions of what happens with Kanbaru, which she knows about.

>>160969678
> s also very jealous of her.
Do we have any proof of it?

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>>160965792
>still cheats on crab

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>>160969397
What can we do, she liked older men!

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>Series ends with Senjyogahara jumping off the staircase because of Araragi's cheating
>Araragi isn't there to rescue her and she dies
>Series ends the same way it began
Would this be the ultimate deconstruction of the harem genre?

>>160969775
Not really, people would just wonder what edgy manhwa Nisio was reading while writing it or something.

>>160969775
She should be punished for her lie about Kaiki.

>>160969678
There's no way in hell that Crab knows just how far he goes with other girls. If she broke up with him over Math living at his place then she would've definitely broken up if she found he kissed three lolis behind her back.

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>>160969775
>deconstruction

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>>160969766
I don't blame her desu senpai

>>160969628
>He needs to ditch Shinobu
And the possibily of that happening is zero, especially after Owari

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>>160969856
Ah yes, I remember that time Senjyogahara Hitagi conspired to save her boyfriend and his loli slave from destruction.

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>>160968986
Araragi needs an actual woman to be honest, Gahara's clearly not enough to satisfy someone like him.

>>160969628
Honestly it doesn't sound like that bad of a deal for Senjyogahara. She gets his prime body for the rest of her life.

>>160969982
This is the same arc where she calls Bat his ""treasure". Even Crab herself knows she's not his number one.

>>160969982
She secretly met with another man. In real world it's cheating.

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>>160969982
>Avoiding the point

>>160970029
Don't bother with him anon

>>160970102
What point? Anon, if you were about to die and your girlfriend saved you life, would you be mad that she had to tell one lie to you to do it? I sure as hell wouldn't.

>>160969982
Oh yeah, begging the best scammer in the world to help the man she loves and Bat because she knows Kaiki is the only one that could fool Snek.

>>160970145
One lie about fucking with old guy in Okinawa.

>>160969868
>kissed three lolis behind her back
He actually kissed only one Loli and it was a very tantalizing one so the Loli almost lost her mind for a while. The rest were stolen kisses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRXmC57EzPg

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>>160970029
I'm not denying that.

I'm just saying that she shouldn't be punished for doing the right thing.

>>160969982
Playing devil's advocate here but everyone in this series eventually gets punished for their sins, even well-intentioned ones. Gahara shouldn't be up on her pedestal forever.

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>>160970168
Meant for>>160970043

>>160970145
One word, going by the fact that she is a hypocritcal cunt who gets mad at Araragi for doing the EXACT same shit she did with Kaiki.

Puposely avoid telling your boyfriend/girlfriend the truth because you are scared he/she will misunderstand.

>>160970168
>because she knows Kaiki is the only one that could fool Snek.
She only knows around 5 people tops, and Hanekawa was out-of-town as far as she was aware. Not hating on Gahara but don't overrate her competence here.

>>160970202
I'd argue she has considering that she is madly in love with a man who has cheated on her multiple times.

>>160968868
You say that every time

>>160969725
She nows he hangs out with Kanbaru, not that she literall strips him, that he often sees her naked or that Kanbaru introduces herself to people as Araragi's sex slave. And even with Kanbaru she seems to feel rather insecure as she didn't actually want Araragi and her to get close and after their date in Tsubasa Cat, Gahara immediatly called Kanbaru to brag about it.

>>160969757
>"Sodachi is really good at cooking. So much that Hitagi's jealous." "Are you sure that's what she's jealous about?"
Also, Gahara has apparently dyed her hair the same color as Sodachi

>>160970303
The last Senjyogahara arc was almost four years ago. It's been a while.

>>160970177
He didn't mind those stolen kisses though, and that's the thing. He never feels bad for any of the shitty things he does behind her back. He wants to have his cake, and eat it too while not realizing what both Crab and Bat sacrifice in order to keep some type of peace in that relationship.

She didn't tell Araragi anything after Koi. Why?

>>160969761
>only our souls were doing it
>therefore it doesn't count as cheating

>>160970310
>She nows he hangs out with Kanbaru, not that she literall strips him, that he often sees her naked or that Kanbaru introduces herself to people as Araragi's sex slave.
Kanbaru reports everything that happens with Araragi to Senjougahara.

> And even with Kanbaru she seems to feel rather insecure as she didn't actually want Araragi and her to get close and after their date in Tsubasa Cat, Gahara immediatly called Kanbaru to brag about it.
and yet she doesn't say anything.

I don't out dislike the character or anything but I'm not feeling sympathy for her here. She could do something about it, but doesn't. Her inability to criticize Araragi is an actual plot point in one arc, I have no idea why people keep arbitrarily denying it when it suits them.

>>160970372
Hitagi is a shit waifu for masochists that why ok?

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>>160970000
I should have ended her life when I had a chance after Araragi was successfully revived.

>>160970000
If anyone knows how to make Araragi monogomous it'd be her, I suppose.

>>160961360
>mature Kiss Shot mommy feets
M U H
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>>160970498
Alright just because I want her to dominate me and step on me doesn't mean I am a masochist

Or maybe it does.

>>160970310
Actually there is nothing for her to be jealous. She probably was just mad. And she dyed her hair to remind Araragi about it.

>>160970512
>killing Gaen
>not setting off a chain reaction which then kills Araragi again

Kiss-shot, please. Have some forethought. You may be Superman but your opponent is Batman.

>>160969725
She's a cunt to Kanbaru (To some extent deserved, Kanbaru was near Nadeko-levels of batshit insane back in Suruga Monkey) so what's your point here?

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>>160970278
Speaking of Tsubasa. She deliberately vanished from the scene so Hitagi would have no choice but to rely on Kaiki. How did she end up with that assumption??? She knows what is going on between Kaiki&Hitagi. You can't hide anything from Tsubasa!

>>160961360
Truly a Goddess

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>>160970611
Can you try to not type like a faggot?

>>160970000
This'd be too funny for me to upset over if it happened.

>>160970767
No, I really that if Gaen failed or Kiss-Shot wanted her dead, she would have died. I mean, Kiss-Shot only has to look at her for her to die.

>>160970780
>Cat was playing 5D bitch chess to try and reposition eroragi back within her grasp on her preferred terms

>>160970550
>If anyone knows how to make Araragi monogomous it'd be her, I suppose.
I doubt that because she is a VIRGIN both physically and mentally. She is CLUELESS every time Araragi does something outrageous for Shinobu and vice versa. I hope someone will explain to her what LOVE is soon.

>>160970830
>implying Gaen doesn't have plans in case of her death.

Are we watching the same series? No-one is going to deny 100% Kiss-shot isn't the most powerful oddity bar maybe 100% Deathtopia and that she could wreck any cunt with her sweet roof-breaking glare but Kiss-shot now has Araragi as a fetter and Gaen is the kind of person to abuse that.
The fact she's alive is fetter abuse at it's finest and shows that Gaen doesn't go in without a plan especially against the strongest.

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Why is Araragi such a manlet?

>>160970959
>She is CLUELESS every time Araragi does something outrageous for Shinobu and vice versa.
She's gotten surprised about Araragi's actions in general, which leads into her approaching him later on to rear him into her cute fuckboy detective I guess. She has no particular opinion on Shinobu though and manages to manipulate her easily enough, and it's not exclusively Araragi's actions about Shinobu that surprise her either. This isn't me ragging on Shinobu so don't get assblasted or whatever the fuck.

>>160971006
Because Araragi by his own reckoning finished his growing at the age of 17.
Which I fucking doubt but then being part vampire and still ending up a manlet instead of "prime" like he's supposed to be makes me think he may have actually been telling the truth and he is stuck a manlet forever.

Only zokuowari left. No more monogatari anime after that.

>>160971112
Meanwhile Karen is apparantly 6ft by Musubi.

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>>160970961
I think I now understand what this >>160970767 one is talking about. Gaen is really similar to Batman. Like Batman, Gaen uses her smarts to stay alive.

>>160971112
Its called genetics you desilutional faggot, hes just short

>>160971335
Yes, pretty much. Outside of a select few humans, oddities by pure base stats alone are going to fucking tear ass.
Humans have to do sneaky shit and plan ahead to take oddities.

Let's use Kizu as the example. A depressed and suicidal Kiss-shot could only be taken down by three specialist vampire hunters and that was only after she had been distracted long enough for Oshino to abuse EVERY trick in the book to steal her heart, including crosses, garlic and the works according to himself.
Then after weakening her enough by symbolically removing the organ which would pump blood through her system and allow her to regen, they had to apply another spell to allow them to take her body parts and "claim ownership" of them so that they didn't just regen back to her like they should have.
AFTER THAT she still had enough strength to get the fuck away from everyone minus Oshino who stayed back and watched the events unfold including Araragi saving her.

This is the kind of shit which would have failed at any point had a single thing gone wrong. Had Kiss-shot been more aware, less depressed, more aggravated or any one of those things that day, it wouldn't have worked.
Had they not all been vampire specialists, they would have lost.
Had Oshino not been able to steal her heart, they would have lost.

Humanity is so fucking outskilled when it comes to this shit that it's amazing people like Yozuru even exist.

>>160971499
We aren't in disagreement. He is a fucking manlet and will always be that way.
His opinion of his own height is that he thinks he stopped growing at 17.
Being a vampire puts you into your prime as you see in Kizu and he just ends up more ripped but doesn't change size at all, implying that he is always going to be a fucking manlet.

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>>160971006
He's a Jap.

>>160958212
t. imbecile

>>160968868
>>160969639
k a i k i
t h i c k
s p e r m

>>160956888 (heil'd)
Dam, only 7 episodes? I was hoping shaft would really spread it out as far as humanly possible. What are they gonna milk without monogatari, and where else will I get my fix of a good MC and interesting characters?

>>160970961
You completely misunderstood the post idiot, I denied none of what you said.

>>160971047
>manages to manipulate her easily enough
More like Shinobu doesn't care as long as Araragi is fine. Just like she said in Owari. As long as Araragi is fine with, she'll go along with him.

>>160972060
If Gaen keeps Araragi pleased, she keeps Shinobu pleased. That's all she has to do.

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>>160970861

>>160972060
>More like Shinobu doesn't care as long as Araragi is fine
It wasn't a case of Shinobu knowing what was going on but simply didn't care, everything that happened in Owari 1/2/3 including the Seishiro incident was Gaen & Ougi stringing everyone along with Araragi managing to be unpredictable enough at points to fuck up everyone's plans. That's all I'm saying, Gaen can (and already has) manipulate her for her own means. I'm not saying that Gaen could beat Shinobu up in a battle shounen fight, not sure what the issue here that Batfags have is.

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>>160972060
>As long as Araragi is fine with, she'll go along with him.
I really like how she let Araragi decide stuff like that for her. I know she is a bossy type but there are times that she acts like a traditional loyal wife. One who support whatever her husband decides on when it comes to critical matters.

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>>160956888
>Ougi Dark is only 3 episodes
What the fuck?

>>160970959
Shinobu Mail was Gaen betting on Koyomi acting the way he did for Shinobu though, you're skewing things here to fit your point. Koyomi does bamboozle Gaen later on but it's through the sum of a bunch of actions involving different characters that he does, not just the thing with Shinobu at the snake shrine.

Also Gaen probably knows everything about sex but has never physically had it.

>>160972345
>I'm not saying that Gaen could beat Shinobu up in a battle shounen fight, not sure what the issue here that Batfags have is.
You're reaching far and wide anon on many levels that's for sure
>She has no particular opinion on Shinobu though and manages to manipulate her easily enough
She stays on Araragi's good side and this makes her stay on Shinobu's good side. Gaen is manipulating Araragi in the way that works for her/in her favor while not making him "too" irritated.

I have no clue where you get this shounen battle shit from. That pretty much speaks for itself.>>160971559

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>>160972510
Don't worry Ougi gets to own most of Hitagi Rendezvous so It is still fine.

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>>160972662
Oh I know, I read it but it's still surprising how short SHAFT is making Owari 2. At this rate I wouldn't even be surprised if they stopped adapting Monogatari.

>>160972433
A lot of matters that are critical for Araragi aren't critical for her. She'll hold her ground where she cares. They just know each other enough to avoid most major disagreements. Though yes, it is touching to see how much thought and effort she puts into supporting Araragi in whatever he chooses to do.

>>160972060
>Shinobu knew what was going on all along, she just didn't care!
You're not serious are you?

>>160972712
I doubt that. This shrinkage just happened because the last three arcs does not have a lot of things going on. Most are just explanations which you could just read from the LN if you want the full details.

>>160972828
>deliberately misinterpreting the argument
So you have no way to refute it. Good to know.

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>>160958212
Agreed, post cutest Crab

>>160972828
I could really ask you that same question idiot. Maybe you should read posts before you start replying to me inbred. Shinobu held no fucking opinion on the matter with Ougi, nor had she any interest in fucking resolving it.
>“I shall simply abide by my master. If my master chooses to help you, I will do the same—and if he chooses to stand against you, so shall I.”
Like I fucking said.

>>160972648
>She stays on Araragi's good side and this makes her stay on Shinobu's good side. Gaen is manipulating Araragi in the way that works for her/in her favor while not making him "too" irritated.
and like I said, she has no particular opinion on Shinobu specifically. I was just responding to someone saying that Araragi's relationship with Shinobu is what confuses Gaen, when it's Araragi in general and not specifically Araragi & Shinobu, that's all.

I got this "shounen battle shit" from the posts above featuring people going off on a tangent about how strong Kiss-Shot is when someone said that Gaen would have some sort of bullshit contingency plan.

>>160972958
I see

>>160972890
Hitagi is incapable of being cute.

>>160972958
She doesn't quite get Shinobu either. She expected Shinobu to turn on Araragi after getting her powers back, not become fiercely protective of him. She also didn't understand why Shinobu was voluntarily sealing herself.

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>>160973033

>>160973040
>She expected Shinobu to turn on Araragi after getting her powers back,
We the readers were all aware that something like that would ever happen after Kizu. Of you want to push it, i's say Kabuki

>>160973040
>She expected Shinobu to turn on Araragi after getting her powers back
She found it odd but she somehow knew what was going to happen between the two. She was actually expecting the situation to force Shinobu into becoming the Shrine Goddess but Araragi bringing Hachikuji back from the dead surprised her and changed plans.

>>160973040
Fixed this>>160973112
>never happen

>>160973158
I doubt that Shinobu would have become the shrine goddess instead if Snail stayed in Hell. Araragi was hellbend against it.

>>160973158
Good luck with that. The entire reason for most of the shit that was going wrong in the first place was Gaen trying to strongarm Shinobu into it and both her and Araragi refusing.

>>160973211
>>160973253
She wouldn't have had much of an alternative. If she wasn't going to go back to being a vampire like she didn't want to then the void that chased Hachikuji about back in Shinobu Time would erase her. Becoming the shrine goddess would've become the best available option for her to stay with Araragi.

Gaen's plans get fucked up again ultimately due to Araragi doing something she didn't expect, again.

>>160973294
Or they could tell Gaen to fuck off and just go through the same process as they did in Kizu to restore their bond.

>>160973294
Hanekawa would still have apeared with Oshino so I don't think she could hold that against her. How much time was there in between the meeting?

I do see your point but I still doubt it

>>160973363
Well, they need a specialist for that. But if Kiss-Shot bit him again, then Araragi would probably be asleep for a day or two and that would make Oshino apear.

>>160973294
It's Araragi who absolutely refuses to part with her or to not have her close. Shinobu said that if Araragi desires to stay human, she would not voice any objection and retract her wish.

It wouls break her heart though probably. By all we have seen, those two cannot be seperated.

>>160973648
>Shinobu said that if Araragi desires to stay human, she would not voice any objection and retract her wish.
That's not because she doesn't desire it with every fiber of her being, but because she cares too much about Araragi to force him into it.

>people telling me that snek is turning to shit in season 2
>now at ep 2 and she is better than ever
How could my little Snek turn to shit?

>>160973966
All her braincells seep out of her ears.

>>160973966
Second Season. Not Nise. They're different things. Enjoy your slutty middle schooler while you can.

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>>160974078
>nise is not the second season
Ohh... now I feel dumb, but thanks anyway.

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>>160973966
People are dumb, she became significantly better in S2.

>>160974683
She is the same as in S1, except shes getting taken advantage more.

>>160960055
>>160961048
It says "Top 5 Strongest Characters," so it's not a list of his favorites.

He did in fact say Hitoshiki/Izumu was best couple, though.

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Would it have healed if he smeared it with his semen?

>>160961360
Why do I feel like there are way too many legs in this pic?

>>160956888
>Ougi Dark - 3 Episodes
My karada is ready.

>>160976613
Because there are three girls with absolutely fantastic legs in it and your mind can't process it.

>>160976384
>works with saliva
>works with blood
definitely should work with semen.

>>160961360
>missing the 3rd form.
Shame

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>Reading the novels very happy with how fast they've been coming over
>On Kanbaru's first arc
>Reminded why I like her so much
Even as a crabfag I forgot how great Kanbaru is. I would never want her to win the Araragibowl, but she's great.

SHAFT please make more hidamari sketch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLrxwYpqjak

>>160971304
>Thinks SHAFT will stop making monogatari
The newest book just came out last month.

>>160977502
Not to mention the 4 other non adapted books after zokuowari.

>>160977572
Exactly. I'm certainly not complaining - let SHAFT milk monogatari for all its worth; besides maybe Kabuki, I haven't hated an arc yet.

>>160977631
Only arc I think was not good is Neko Kuro, everything else is great.

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How about we actually get a good batch of Kizu first?

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>>160980201
I can freely admit that SHAFT fucked with Kizu's pacing, but boy I still loved the movies. The animation style/direction alone was worth the price of admission

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>>160980544
All the new Shinobu forms were worth the price of admission.

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>>160980618
Best form right there. Too bad she spent most of her time in it sleeping. Although the transformation right afterwards was unbelievably good

>>160969269

That's not what the Hanekawa shrine he has in his bedroom says. Which still has her braids he cut off, her bra, but I think she takes back the panties later.

Not to mention how he literally dances for joy in Tsubasa Song at the implication that it's a date she is inviting him to. Or the fact that even now, he gets absolutely giddy if she so much as calls him.

>>160973648

That's the thing, they would never have to be seperated if she did become a god, he could just stay in town and see her whenever he wants, and she would be free to never be hunted again.

They made it extra clear that Araragi got lucky, and has been lucky the entire series. He really should be fucked over wholesale for tje recklessness of his actions, but he escapes it. Gaen just fancies it because she is too fixated on the scales and neutrality. It's fresh air for her, who knows the repurcussions of the bullshit he does and plans accordingly, while he just doesn't bother and gets good results.

>>160982091
>That's the thing, they would never have to be seperated if she did become a god, he could just stay in town and see her whenever he wants, and she would be free to never be hunted again.
Not that anon, but I don't think this would make either character happy at all. The situation isn't unlike the one in the end of Kizu, even if the scenarios have changed.

Shinobu could become god and Araragi could return to normal humanity, but neither would be happy with the situation; Shinobu knows he'd die, and she'd once again lose a thrall (and this time, the being closest to her heart). Araragi knows that she'd be lonely when he died, and certainly wouldn't want her to return to the state she was in by the beginning of Kizu. So what are their actual options? They have to take the one where they're both unique, awkward half-existences because otherwise neither could be happy knowing the other wouldn't be. It's not the best of choices, but it's the one that works.

>>160974170
artist?

so who's subbing this? does crunchyroll have it?

>>160970178

I think the more pertinent thing would be to smack sense into the girl for accepting a romantic relationship where she is subordinate to another girl. Kaiki did kind of tell her that they'd break up in college, and they did so three times.

A marriage counselor would probably tell them to forget the wedding until this twisted hierarchy is fixed.

>>160958820
koyomimonogatari is all over the timeline you dumbass

>>160982690
Crunchyroll has it.

>>160957859
As per usual, crabfags BTFO

>>160982690
>>160982766
Still no news when this will be out on Crunchyroll though.

>>160982434

It works because the people around them help make it work, despite the dangers involved to the world and such.

Plus the fact remains that being those half-existences comes with the fact that continuing to be involved with the world of oddities makes more chances to die unexpectedly.

>>160977301
Im a cat and batfag but even I can't deny this is indisputably adorable

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>>160982890
>It works because the people around them help make it work, despite the dangers involved to the world and such.
The people around them cannot prevent Araragi from one day dying once he's entirely mortal again. And they really can't prevent Shinobu from falling into the same kind of feelings of futility about life and depression. The two have been together so long - and have such an intimate relationship (not even just physically) - that what should be the "best" choice (because Koyomi could live a long, normal life, and Shinobu could be safe) is not the "right" choice.

>Plus the fact remains that being those half-existences comes with the fact that continuing to be involved with the world of oddities makes more chances to die unexpectedly.
It's a trade-off, but a necessary one in this regard.

I'm so hyped.

>>160982843
https://twitter.com/aniplexusa/status/881590511630471168

>>160982843
>>160983850
But yeah
It only says "this august" nothing more.

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>>160983968
Post was also made a month and a half ago, so who knows until Saturday.

>>160973923
I litteraly said that in my post anon

>>160982091
>they would never have to be seperated if she did become a god, he could just stay in town and see her whenever he wants, and she would be free to never be hunted again.
This has been discussed so many times anon. Araragi and Shinobu don't find this good enough. It's not good enough to be able to regulary see each other. This senario you are discribing is the happy ending in Kizumonogatari that no one got. Araragi rather make people around him misrable then lose Shinobu in his life.

With his choice at the end of Ougi, he once again gave Hitagi the middle-finger

>>160982890
>people around them
You honstly think that the "people" around them could replace either? Heck, none of this matters. It was not good enough for Araragi to be able to visit her whenever he wanted, he wants her in his life close 24/7. The same goes for Shinobu. All those people visiting her shrine could never hope to replace Araragi.

There is only one of either and that's the one both want to spens all their life with. Basically their marriage vows in the end of Ouvi dark.

>>160985812
>With his choice at the end of Ougi, he once again gave Hitagi the middle-finger
This is the only part I disagree with. Shinobu comes with the Arararagi package, but I don't think that this de-values Crab. She gives Koyomi a kind of romantic love/physical love, while Shinobu is a very intimate and necessary, but very different, kind of relationship.

So what are the best releases for the Kizu trilogy? I want to archive them. alraedy.

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>>160986141
Don't waste yout time. He is super batfag, he hates Crab.

>>160986141
>but very different, kind of relationship.
It is different in the sense that people around them so not comprehend it. Araragi and Shinobu's relationship borserline crosses intimicy and love alike. Those two mostly act like they are marries to each other. If you think there is nothinf romantic/physical going on between those two, the I guess you have some waking up to do. You probably do 't even know what happend in Shinobumonogatari, do you?
>Shinobu comes with the Arararagi package
Just because you know the truth it doesn't mean that it hurts less. Hitagi called Bat his "treasure" herself. It was the chanve given to Araragi to spend his life together with Hitagi. He refused it. You can go around it all you want, the fact remains that it must be pretty hurtful that your boyfriend already has someone other the you closer to his heart.

>>160986384
No, I don't. I hate Crabfags like you. I was just having a nice conversation with an anon. I know very well who you are. How was the burn I gave you in the previoua thread regarding your delusioal headcanons? Does it hurt?

>>160986141
>Shinobu dies somewhere between his life with Hitagi somehow
>"Well, I am sorry Hitagi and kids, I guess I am offing myself now since I see no reason to continue living"
It does seem like a huge middle-finger though

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>ywn get to have the acid tongue used on you
Why live anons

So, you guys are telling me that Crab is mosly unaware of everything Araragi does to the other girls? I thought it was simply not mentioned in the anime but it's actually true? Wew.

>>160986496
> it must be pretty hurtful that your boyfriend already has someone other the you closer to his heart.
Talking about headcanons. You are repeating the same shit from Owari every thread but we all know what happened in Owari.
It's fucking obvious that his relationship with Shinobu is special. But it doesn't mean that he can't really love Hitagi. And he loves her very much even after 5 years. Musubi is all about it.
>>160986736
He won't kill himself in that case. He would die like ordinary man and join Shinobu in Hell.

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>>160986384
>It's this retard again
That's what happens when you are a secondary anon. You get destroyed in arguments. You damage control calling anons super Batfags, when your headcanons are proven wrong. It's just your inability to accept the truth, which is fine by me.

>>160986943
While he pumps inside Crab regularly.

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>>160986943
>He won't kill himself in that case. He would die like ordinary man and join Shinobu in Hell.
He would if you read Owari like you claimed idiot.

>>160986943
>But it doesn't mean that he can't really love Hitagi
I never in any of my posts said that he did not love her anon. This is you trying to put words in my mouth

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>>160986384
Why do you have to give us fellow Crabfags a bad name?

>>160986992
> He would if you read Owari like you claimed idiot.
I read everything translated.
He won't do it if Crab is around. Araragi's words mean nothing, he also was ready to die for Cat even after his vow.

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>>160986943
>He won't kill himself in that case. He would die like ordinary man and join Shinobu in Hell.
>but we all know what happend in Owari

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>>160987088
>He won't do it if Crab is around
Sasuga Crabfag

>>160987088
Gotta screencap this for future use

>>160987118
He forgot about his vow twice.

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>>160987182
Why? So you can use it on Crabfags who don't even stir?

>>160987088
I see, so you are claiming his words are empty and his vows hold no truth. I see. This is the absolute state "some" Crabfags have reached. Total denial.

>>160987208
You'd be amazed that I see anons claiming shit like this and denying it ever happend. Just as prove.

>>160987200
When has Shinobu died twice?

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>>160987253
Okay its because I don't like randomly getting shitted on just because I'm just trying to enjoy some wholesome Crab

>>160987333
I won't shit on Crabfags out of random ever. That's only against idiots above for example.

>>160987232
> I want to die for Cat's tits so much I'm so happy
> Shinobu needed to remind him about her existence
Why are you ignoring the facts.
>>160987281
He promised to live with her until her death but forgot about it twice with Cat and once with Monkey. He was ready to die for some random lesbian.

>>160987426
Kanbaru isn't just some random lesbo though anon-kun.

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>>160972890
smugest the cutest

>>160977104
I'm the opposite, ever since reading the LN versions of those arcs I've wished that they got together now. Kind of like what happened to some people with Hanekawa after watching Kizu for the first time I guess.

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>>160987592
> two instances that happend before Araragi and Shinobu made up with each other.
So his vow from Kizu didn't work before they made up? Very useful.

>>160987426
I am not ignoring facts idiot, that is what you have been doing. You are talking about Bakemonogatari, two instances that happend before Araragi and Shinobu made up with each other. You are literally talking about the first monogatari novel released right now "before" Kizu came out.

And I don't know if you are aware, but Bakemonogatari was not something Nisio had written where he had sequels in mind. It was supposed to be a stand alone.

>>160987676
> And I don't know if you are aware, but Bakemonogatari was not something Nisio had written where he had sequels in mind. It was supposed to be a stand alone.
Neko Kuro

>>160987651
Read this, I forgot something to add>>160987676

>>160987651
Idiot doesn't know Bake was written before Kizu. How very usefull, goes perfectly with your delusion doesn't it.

>>160987651
Anon, just stop you're ruining us Crabfags

>>160987759
> Idiot doesn't know Bake was written before Kizu.
Yeah just like Neko Kuro.

>>160987695
I don't know what you are trying to prove actually. You are trying to use one instance where Araragi was ready to abandon all as an argument for Araragi to deny his vow later in life

I could write a book about all the instances Araragi forgot he had a girlfriend. And the latest novel also helps

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I desperately need more birb this season

Araragi's not forgetful, he's in denial + has massive issues of self-worthlessness, he genuinely believes that no one would give a shit for too long if he died. We've had entire books about that.

>>160987815
Funny thing is, Shinobu straight away confronted him about it and berated him on it. Can't say the same for Crab, who just lets it happen.

Every monogatari thread leads to a fight between batfags and crabfags. Can you guys stop??

>>160987815
> I could write a book about all the instances Araragi forgot he had a girlfriend.
You are starting to understand something. He can forget about anything when Nisio needs it. Do you really think that he would kill himself and leave Hitagi with kids? He would rather revive Shinobu somehow.

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>>160987933
I'm a crabfag and I haven't said shit but I also wish this stopped always ending with 2 groups fighting.

>>160987933
As soon as Crabfagd stop "trying" and use every little thing they can find to bring down Bat and talk down their delusions upon us. So probably never.>>160987088

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>>160987987
You can't blame all of us because of 1 retard anon.

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What am I looking at

>>160988025
Sieyuu I'd want to fuck.

>>160987953
>Do you really think that he would kill himself and leave Hitagi with kids?
Oh yes he would if Shinobu died.
>revive
Now this is an whole other matter. Araragi vow is dying at the same day she died. You can bet if he doesn't find a way to bring her back before then, that he'll join her in hell. I am more surprised that retards like you actually exist. After everything, I don't see how one can pull mental gymnastics as yours.

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Its certainly well rated before its even out.

>>160988010
I don't blame all, nor do I think it's always just one idiot. But is always is "a" crabfag

>>160988048
> Oh yes he would if Shinobu died.
No he wouldn't. You are fucking crazy. He isn't edgy fate character or something.

>>160987627
They're objectively perfect for each other, that's why. She'd just insist on joining in on Araragi lewding his sister's and the undead trio if anything.

>>160987953
>Do you really think that he would kill himself and leave Hitagi with kids?
It sounds to me that this is what you desperatly hope and not actually believe.

To be honestly, I won't be happy if he let shinobu die alone, but also feel bad if he just die and left his family.....
fucking Arararagi...

>>160988087
Anon, you are disgusting me now.

>>160988152
Shit like that would never happen in monogatari.

>>160988087
If Shinobu dies, Araragi joins her. That's set in stone anon. You can continue bitchinh all you want though. I realize that it would be borderline wrong for Araragi to do that, but it would be a ever bigger crime to Araragi as a person to suddenly decide to let Shinobu go to hell alone.

You are being an idiot anon. But I do understand why.

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what will be shinbou's chief gimmick this time

>>160988189
Good, cause these are just what ifs. What if Shinobu died early? As established in the series, once Shinobu dies Araragi is fully prepared to go and join her. This goes both ways.

Reminder that you need to know Japanese to understand the show

>>160988247
Reminder, I'll never be Crabs boyfriend.

>>160988189
Going by the fact that Araragi found fighting against Seishiro more important then to help Hitagi and Hanekwawa who were both in deep shit even though Shinobu herself was not in any trouble, i'd be inclined to say YES. Even more so when you realize that he was not even fighting for Shinobu but mearly for his own selfish desire to have Shinobu in his life instead of Seishiro. A classic case of two men fighting for a girl.

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>>160982743

But the last episode which happens literally just before Mayoi hell in the timeline has her with short hair still you idiot.

Pic related is right after Araragi has been killed by Gaen.

Reminder, throughout the whole story, Araragi never hesitates to die for someone and he doesn't give a fuck about anyone else besides that situation. While you definitely can doubt about when he says he wants to live for someone...

>>160988314
He saved all of them in the end. Because monogatari works that way.

>>160988364
that's like a plotpoint man

to be resolved in Ougi's arc