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I love how TYPEMOON decided to change its grail-summoning criteria

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I love how TYPEMOON decided to change its grail-summoning criteria from 'heroes' to 'literally fucking anybody with a wikipedia article'.

Yes. Gilgamesh and King Arthur belong in exactly the same category as Marie Antoinette and Spiderman.
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>>160950931
I love how you tried to sound intelligent by using thesaurus.com instead of any kind of actual content. Even if it 'is' a blue board, you still need to be over 18 to post on 4chan. Out.
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>>160950931
>>160951080
Oh my god. Thanks for the laugh. It's been months since I saw such an obvious samefag and I'm dying.
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>>160950826
Why did you make a thread just for this post?
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>>160950826
Yep, it's my turn next.
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>implying Spiderman would not be a kickass servant
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>>160950826
>decided to change

Excuse me? Literally point where the fuck did they ruled out people like Marie Antoinette and Mozart. You can't because they never did. You're just assuming.
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I see no issue with the Queen of France being made a servant.
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>>160950826
This, even back then summoning medea is an anomaly since she's not a proper "hero".
Now you can summon everyone with every form.
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But without expansions, we would never have gotten this q.t.
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>>160951458
Unironically sperg tier taste
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>>160951472
No anon, it is in fact your taste that is sperg.
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>>160951381
>famous for saying something she didn't actually say and then getting her head chopped off
>"Welcome to the Throne of Heroes, enjoy your stay!"
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>>160950826
>Thinking the rules meant shit ever when they can make up shit like parallel universes and different grails that make it work out later down the line
They knew it'd be retarded to keep all berserkers gurgling retards and all assassins Hassans.
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>>160950826
Gilgamesh actually existed and ruled a massive world changing empire.

King Arthur was as real as the fucking boogeyman and paul bunyan and just as influential.
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>>160951509
Mata Hari and Charles-Henri Sanson are some literal who tier servants.
Can anybody also explain to me why JULIUS CAESAR is such a little bitch compared to Nero? I'm pretty sure Julius Caesar is multiple times more important in history
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>>160950826
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>>160951585
Why is Saber Alter but in a santa costume and Mordred in a swimsuit counted as separate servants that get their own spot in the Throne?
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>>160951626
Because fuck you
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>>160951658
So you're saying it's because they knew the people who play Fate/GO would eat that shit up and would spend money on gacha and wrote the story around that?
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>>160950826
>thinking TM's rules were ever dependent on any variable other than 'the amount (in grams) of crystal meth Nasu has smoked today'
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>>160951689
I mean yeah, I mean have you seen the fanbase?
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>>160951626
They don't
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>>160951501
You literally can't get any better than Scathach retard.
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>even fictional characters with no connection to a 'legend' are viable options now
FATE/SCRIPTURE:
Saber: Cloud Strife
Archer: The Spanish Flu
Lancer: Tyler Durden
Berserker: Caim
Rider: JonBenét Ramsey
Caster: Batman
Assassin: Sieg from the future
Ruler: Ciel. Just because.

This is where we're heading.
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>>160950826
Why is King Arthur a teenage girl? Why is Gilgamesh a blond haired ikemen? Why is Achilles literally perfect?
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>>160951874
Not enough cute girls. Genderbend Tyler Durden, then we're cooking with gas.
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>>160951584
>Charles-Henri Sanson
Nobody's heard of him specifically, but everybody's heard of the French Revolution/Reign of Terror and the guillotine.
In that sense, he's a perfect Assassin: his deeds are remembered but his name is not.
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>>160950826
When was Spiderman summoned?

And no, literally anyone with a known history was always summonable, dipshit, but Marie Antoinette shouldn't be anything higher than a 2* in Grand Order. Rarity ratings are done with dicks/thoughts on how to profit off dick thoughts
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>>160951907
I guess that makes sense.
Though I'm still confused why Jing Ke isn't the weakest assassin since he/she's only remembered for royally fucking up an assassination
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>>160951874
>Berserker: Caim
Everyone would die.
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>>160951626
None of them have a different spot on the Throne except Mordred and Artoria being different. Classes are containers that effect only a partial reflection of the true hero.
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>>160951996
this. every secondary should be wiped from the face of the earth
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>>160952062
F/GO mentions it at the start.
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>>160951949
I guess they gave her an A for effort.
Also, maybe her skills were just that high in life.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAOyWtlBpMo

GO is a lot more fun when it isn't trying to be serious.
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>>160950826
Mozart admits he's a shit-tier Heroic Spirit. Just because he's a Heroic Spirit doesn't mean he's anywhere on the same level as Arturia and Gilgamesh.

As for fictional Serevants like Jekyll, most of them are "totally based on real people in-universe, I swear!" Which, I mean, who cares. It's not like Medusa, Herakles, or Medea were real people either.
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>>160951874
>Batman
>not Rider because of the Batmobile
You had one job, anon-kun.
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>>160952111
>Fate has been turned into this much of a joke
Fuck this shit. The old fanbase wouldn't have stood for this.
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>>160952142
Yeah, just look at the type of garbage F/GO is trying to push like pic related. We can't let this happen, bros.
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>>160952142
You mean the old fanbase that was around for Kagetsu Tohya, Melty's joke routes, and Hollow Ataraxia?
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>>160950826
no lie. he's actually useful when you level his skills up a bit and throw on a decent CE.
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>>160952124
Herakles was debatably real. He was based on some strong asshole from way back then who's feats were hyped up into retarded bullshit territory.
Arthur is not real in the least. There's like..a guy named arthur probably and an old village with a stone castle. But camelot and arthur pendragon and the like were all bullshit.
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>>160952168
Nah, he's probably a Zero baby
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>>160952142
TM always had gag shit even in the Tsukihime days, where have you been?
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Rider-class Roswell alien with flying saucer when?
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>>160952111
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilW7rnWvwVg
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>>160952203
Wasn't Arthur an actual roman legionarrie or something
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>>160952203
Sounds more or less the same to me.

>>160952221
We got a turn-of-the-century Russian occultist who was abducted by aliens and has a UFO as her NP.
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>>160952203
How is there any difference between the two circumstances? The 'real' Arthur may have been a feudal lord of some inconsiderable power. The matter of that Arthur's feats/accomplishments growing by hyperbole into something else entirely is not at all different from the matter of your hypothetical Heracles origin. Camelot was not real, and neither was Zeus. So on and so forth.
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>>160952124
Didn't Holmes imply in GO recently that the perceptions of the modern world affected the past or something.
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>>160950826
>one in all of the failures who roam in this site will actually accomplish something important in his life
>some fate anime in 2150 will feature him as a servant
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>>160952331
Yes, but that was actually implied way back in FSN. People just forgot.
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>>160951949
She went 1v1 with a demon pillar back in life, armed with nothing but a hydra dagger.
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>>160952241
No.
Arthur was supposedly some low tier noble who had a small posse of assholes and a small stone squat shithole of a castle.

The entire fantasy of camelot and the sword in the stone and the king of england bullshit and even the name arthur pendragaon is entirely ficitional bullshit.

Much like the exploits of barron munchausen and bre'r rabbit.
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spiderman would be a fucking overpowered servant, because he has the red card of "im never using more than 5% of my strength" trope
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Can someone explain to me how Billy the Kid is a servant? I distinctly remember Nasu saying years ago that people who primarily used guns couldn't become heroic spirits because anyone can be good with one or some such shit.
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>>160951381
>Queen of France
>She is an Austrian and a German
>Her neice ends up becoming the Empress of Frence
>She was also an Austrian and German.
France is a joke.
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>>160952411
his gun isn't an NP but his exploits and tales were sublimated into one.
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what could happen if those two becomes friends?
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>>160951756
>can't get better than Scathach retard

so you like Hatch of Scats who is a retard, yes?
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>>160952411
His NP isn't the gun itself but his ability to shoot a gun really fast.
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>>160952415
France has been a joke since Vercingetorix' defeat
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>>160952438
it happened, and the result is called paul bunyan
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>>160952411
The actual term used was "modern weaponry." People assume this meant guns in general. Apparently it did not.

Billy also did some impressive thievery and escape attempts that had little to do with his gun skills.
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>>160952467
why she didnt wish to the grail that the devs make a skip option for np animations?
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>>160952484
gudako works in mysterious ways
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>People keep saying Gudao looks like a genderbent Rin
I don't fucking see it. Gudao looks like a fucking young Kiri or a Shiki who took off his glasses.
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>>160952294
Dude, there's absolutely no evidence that arthur was real. When I say that there was some guy who might have had a small gang of knights around him and he lived in a squat stone castle somewhere?
I'm being generous.
There's no fucking evidence that there's ever been a living being with anything like that anywhere ever.
There's actual proof that gilgamesh existed and there's proof that joan of arc existe.
There's nothing stating that arthur/uther pendragon or even some asshole who was a decent guy who had a sword or horse named excaliber ever existed at any point in all of englands recorded history.

This is fact.
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>>160951890
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilgamesh
>His name means something to the effect of "The Ancestor is a Young-man"
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>>160952506
>uther
Glad you could make it
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>>160952156
F/GO is like some parade spectre!
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>>160952502
He's got Rin's hair and eye colours, but Kerry's hairstyle. Granted Rin and Kerry had similar hair colour anyway.

It'd be cute if you could argue that he's Shirou and Rin's kid on this, but Kerry isn't actually blood related to Shirou after all.
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Can the grail grant me my wish of a second season of carnival phantasm with her as the protagonist?
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>>160952506
Nor is there any evidence that Heracles was real. I'm not trying to have a broad argument; I'm arguing the conditions of your statements on these specific cases.
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>>160951458
>scientist makes a qt waifu
>proceeds to an hero instead of dicking his waifu

Victor Frankenstein was the first /a/sshole.
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>>160951458
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYreiadVqHg
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whatever happened to the miracle prerequisite?
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>>160951958
You can't kill batman.
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>>160952602
He never wanted to fuck her. He wanted to make an Adam for her Eve at first, he just started with his Eve and got cold feet when she murdered a dog or something to give him a gift.

I guess there were more fresh female corpses that day than male.
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>>160952532
Gudao was at the youngest 7 or 8 during the '04 Holy Grail War (As the would need to be 18 to be hired by Chaldea).

We also do not know if his world's Shriou and Rin survived as only Solomon and Maris were confirmed the winners and survivors + they curb stomped everything.
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>>160952577
Jeannu is enjoying that strong english tongue
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>>160950826
I actually unironically love that anon.
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>>160952640
That's fucking retarded.
Why not just make her the bride of frankenstein instead?
What was the motherfucking point?
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>>160952641
Shinjuku confirms he was born in 1999
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>>160952533
You mean season 4.
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Why does Emiya Shirou become brown when he becomes a heroic spirit?

I literally never understood that part.
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>>160952641
The 2004 HGW was the first so it's unlikely Shriou had any connections to the world of magi, and Tokiomi would have probably still been alive at that point so he would have probably participated instead of his teenage daughter. Assuming Rin was even born in that timeline.
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>>160952697
Overusing reinforcement magic on yourself turns your skin brown and hair white.
ie. If he wasn't the Shirou=Archer reveal would be even more obvious.
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>>160952676
Because when Mary Shelley wrote the book she based on real events she was somehow privy to, she turned the monster into a man because I guess she thought the story would work better that way.
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>>160952697
Years of projection magecraft pretty much burnt his magic circuits and changed his appearance.

At least I think that was the explanation.
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>>160952697
The Counter Force has that effect on people
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>>160952641
>Gudao
>Magis spend their entire life just trying to come close to the root or even catch a glimpse of it. They even do it for generations.
>Some fuck who isn't even of magi nobility that got stuck in the middle of bum fuck nowhere ends up becoming the Prince of Magi, successor of Solomon and fucks the incarnation of the Root on a daily basis with it returning feelings.
Just. This is mass suicide watch.
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>>160952849
How do you think Gudako fucks her? Does she just lift up her kimono and hump her ass or does she fist the fuck out of her?
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>>160950826
You are saying this in 2017 and speak of change when the original had Medea and Medusa?
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>>160952926
nope, she'll never roll her, because shes obessed with arturia
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>>160952942
>She's obsessed with the shittiest version of Arturia.
Fixed that for you.
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>>160951298
Mozart is worshipped even after his death, so it does apply. He is a true legend and historical figure.

And Marie Antoinette does fit too with being the symbol of european nobility.
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Richie in GO when? I want to see him interacting with Arturia and Proto Arthur.
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http://www.strawpoll.me/13672142

Best Type Moon heroes?
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Gudao pleases older women and an old Finnish man for money. Ohohohoho

He might've actually done this since nobody paid him for over a year.
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>>160951694
>>160951714
>>160951890
>>160952142
>>160952168
>permitting anything that fails to follow the thematic and setting conventions established by Rakkyou, Tsukihime, F/SN, and DDD
>possibly believing Grand Order or Extella remotely managed to capture those conventions at any point
>insipid fanservice garbage at worst which utterly destroys Nero's character
>the most inconsistent braindead shounen idiocy at best
>not full autism rage at the state of the setting and Nasu's increasing incompetence, given the existence of F/GO
>EX rank fucking everywhere on everyone
>all of these pathetic attempts at humor in the years following Mahoyo's fumbling publication
>now all the fucking memes are the most prominent thematic and setting conventions within Type-Moon works because they've been used more than the original ones Nasu wrote of during TM's first 7 or so years from 1998 to 2005
>no DDD3 (2007)
>no GW (went from being a VN to anime, tba since 2010/2011) we only got a summary and and nearly empty website
>no Tsukihime Remake (first shown in 2008, then announced for serious until the fes)

The whole "Mahoyo didn't sell enough, so let's just go back to Fate and milk the shit out of it" mentality is tiring. This is what happens when a doujin company that used to give a fuck goes commercial and starts getting a taste of money and can't get enough of it so it just continues to recycle the same shit over and over. Extella was the last TM game and it's a fucking musou game for crying out loud.

Type Moon lost its root and it's just following the trend with garbage of today's generation
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>>160953026
>No Hakuno and Gilgamesh option
Shit poll
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>>160953026
Where is the Mashu + Romani + Fou and Manaka + Arthur options?
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Why is Marie Antoinette portrayed as some kind of patriotic saint who loves the people of France and bears no grudges when she was

>an Austrian
>an arch conservative who pushed her husband to take a hard line against the commoners of the third estate
>constantly writing to her brother the Holy Roman Emperor to beg him to invade France and crush the Revolution
>the architect of the attempt by the royal family to flee France so they could come back at the head of an Austrian army to crush the Revolution
>grooming her son to be the next king of France in preparation for the planned destruction of the Revolution
>accused by the Revolutionary Tribunal of sexually abusing her son at her trial
There is no way she didn't fucking despise France and her people by the end.
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>>160952732
Or maybe Frankenstein himself, when relating his story, lied about the monster's gender because he didn't want people to think he was a waifufag.
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>>160953028
Or he could just take a cue from Marisbilly and ask one of his dozen grails for money
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>>160953100
>Expecting accuracy from hack writers
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>>160952411
He changed his mind because the ghost of Simo Hayha and Spongebob appeared to him while he was tweaking at 3:00 am on his way to go re-up at Kojima's.
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Okay here then.

Is her NP basically a temporal extra Mad Enhancement? Should i interpret it like that?
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>>160953078
You sound upset that people who create things want to make a profit for their creation. Its Nasu universe and his right to do what he pleases with it.

If you don't like it. Make your own damn doujin group and universe. Stop pretending to be the victim and a bitch.
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>>160953082
Shouldn't it be Hakuno, Nero, Tamamo, Nameless, Gilgamesh and Altera?
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>that delicious Nitocris Summer art

You know, F/GO may not be half bad after all.
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Nobuserker best servant to come out of this event.
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>>160952168
Strictly speaking, funny vampires, some psycopath and shy meidos, a lot of shenanigans about the mechanics of the world, a lot of individuals who do things here and there between the works, magical things happening, sex, a lot of waifus, and even more procastination from the author.

The 4 main franchises are, well, let's say "loosely related", as they share some of the lore, mechanics and even some events, but they are not considered to be taking place in the same place, at the same time, with the same characters. Think of them as "parallel worlds" of some sort. <<<--- and this last part is the origin of a certain TM meme...

Truth be told, Kinoko won't ever say that his works develop themselves in the same world, but they somewhat share the same setting and world-building that he's created until now. He has stated before that every work (the ones written by him) reach a final result that, if you pay attention, is somewhat similar to the end result between the various works. From every work, only Tsukihime feels "incomplete" as most of the story from it (and this was told by Kinoko) centered too much on the heroines, and left aside the inner workings and mechanics of the world (we see proof of this when he later released rakkyo, which contains the most info about the world than anything else).

Also, Tsukihime has the most plot points without descriptions or explanations, like the 6th System that Zepia wants to reach, the Aylesbury ritual, the will of the planet and whole lot of shenanigans that he simply hasn't addressed since 2001, barely mentioning them in character entries, random comments inside the game's files and/or random rants on their blog, with no further explanation about them.

Basically, the thing that makes every work related has always been the history of mankind and how mankind uses/fights/changes the mechanics of the world. The end result of every TM work has humanity triumph anything against it.
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>>160953100
Why is King Arthur betrayed as an autistic woman pretending to be a man who did "everything" for her kingdom and tossed away her humanity?
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>>160952624
>>160951958
How much prep-time does Batman have?
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>>160952168
I still have the translations of Talk etc. on my HDD somewhere.
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>>160953153
Nitocris vanilla doujin finally got released on Sad Panda. It just now needs to become translated.
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>>160953100
Legends also portray Arthur as a man if you didn't notice, and I doubt sumerians from 6,000 years ago were blonde
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>>160952168
>Tsukihime - Near Side Arc
Arcueid Brunestud, Ciel, and Sacchin
>Tsukihime - Far Side Arc
Lady Akiha, and the twin sisters working as servants in the Tohno mansion
>Melty Blood
Take the upper paths and you'll be treated to a serious story, while the lower paths quickly spiral into absurdity
>Fate/stay night
Saber and Rin
>Fate/other night*
Sakura and Illyasviel von Einzbern
>EXTRA
Fate/EXTRA starts from the first floor of the Near Side and heads for the seventh floor ~ the core, CCC starts from the Far Side (no concept of floors). Though the path may differ, the end goal for both is the core of the Moon Cell

* The problem of this path is that it was going to be 2 routes, 1 for Ilya and another for Sakura in a diferent game from FS/N, but instead they shoved both routes into the same, so after a while it becomes a huge mess and it seems like Shirou is being simply dragged by the events rather than taking real decisions like in the previous routes.

Not to mention how early on Sakura seems like the main girl then gets knocked out by Ilya and then right at the end the game goes like "Oh that's right it was Sakura the girl not Ilya"
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>>160950826
I wouldn't mind Supaidaman in fate/
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>>160953187
Thing is King Arthur is a legendary figure, so some liberties can be taken with his story. Marie Antoniette is completely historical from just over 200 years ago, who we have a wealth of concrete information about.
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>>160953078
Girls Work was never Nasu's project you dumbshit.
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>>160952676
Because The Bride of Frankenstein was essentially a fanfic.
In the actual book, Frankenstein gets cold feet halfway through when he realizes the two monsters might breed a species that might wipe out humanity and destroys it.
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>>160953200
https://mega.nz/#F!BA4yHYoT!NwGVKj4q9Z1vnpKlYY-4UQ

we need a bigger type moon collection
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>>160953132
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>>160953187
Why do you think Guinevere had an affair with Lancelot?
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>>160952142
>>160952168
>Melty Blood
Wallachia TATARi appears in Japan. Sion comes to Japan from Atlas to stop him since he was her bloodline ancestor and the one who turned her a vampire. The TATARI's power can manifest rumors and fears into reality, which causes former enemies they have defeated to manifest back into real world. This event was named "Hologram Summer". Wallachia's contract that makes him unstoppable was supposed to end in about 2000 years in the future in the presence of the red moon, so Arcueid summons that exact red moon into the present to end his contract and finally kill him.

>Melty Blood ReACT
With Wallachia gone, the TATARI inside Sion goes berserk in trying to take over. With fear of Wallachia still fresh in everybody's mind combined with Sion's fear of becoming Wallachia's successor one day, her TATARI manifested Wallachia back to life. Let the re-enactment of the "Hologram Summer" begin once again!

>Melty Blood ACT CADENZA
Aoko Aozaki salvaged the remnants of TATARI to create her own familiar by merging it with a cat. This created White Len, who wasn't satisfied with her creator. So she recreated the "Hologram Summer" that the TATARI started to being back everyone together and to find her one true master.

>Melty Blood Actress Again
Sion becomes a full TATARI and takes the spot of Wallachia as a Dead Apostle Ancestor, now she's known as Dust of Osiris. There's no future for humanity, so she decided to convert everyone into records so they can be eternally preserved. She recreated the "Hologram Summer" once again because she needs Arcueid's Marble Phantasm to summon the future or something.

tl;dr The night when fears and rumors become real, the Hologram Summer x4
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>>160953255
That wasnt an answer, but i liked it so have art of her being cute.

I know if i summoned her irl my first comment would be "Whoa cute" so we would be on to a bad start.
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>>160953257
Guinevere did nothing wrong, after all.
She wanted a true and actual dick, not a crossdressing girl with a pseudo dick.
As all history, facts get twisted and we now believe Arthur got betrayed when he was actually a she with Guinevere just wanting the taste of a man.
End of story.
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>>160953280
White Len's story was ReACT. Cadenza didn't have an overarching story. You left out the part where Dust of Osiris was from an alternate future.
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>>160951874
I would actually watch this. If only to watch Cloud get floored by Caim like the mopey bitch that he is.
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>>160953224
Wish granted, but it's Tom Holland Spidey.
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I don't even think the DEEN anime had this level of QUALITY (excluding the movie anyway.)
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>>160952168
>tfw Fuyuki Wiki is no longer the most authoritative source on TM wackery
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>>160953399
I was just waiting for a guy to pop up singing how he solved Blue's clues.
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>>160953438
There are material books that are intended to be the most complete guide to TM magical lore if you are interested.

1 book for Tsukihime, Kagetsu Tohya, Kara no Kyoukai, Melty Blood.
3 books for stay night.
1 each for hollow ataraxia, zero, Mahoutsukai no Yoru, Extra, CCC, Extella, and Apocrypha.
5 books (so far) for Grand Order.

Beast's Lair: Useful Notes
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NEZzQsil7Zgkajr6ESYIoW1JNN6aeBuG4kE2SZWghXw

TMDict, a compilation of Nasuverse dictionary entries
http://tmdict.com
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>Yes. Gilgamesh and King Arthur belong in exactly the same category as Marie Antoinette and Spiderman.
They are just fictional character anyways, why even care?
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>>160953447
Last time I paid close attention to TM lore was when CM3 was partially translated and a bunch of people took the fake Elephants entry seriously. I guess I have catching up to do. cheers anon. Seems like the lore really exploded with Grand Order.
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>>160953531
Gilgamesh is real
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>>160953567
His real history suck, the epic of Gilmeme is what type-moon is based on and it's basically a fiction.
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>>160953548
Back in the old days, actually, until 2012, the dominant fanon was that MEoDP got nothing over Servants. The rationale was that they were phenomena beyond life and death, and MEoDP would not be able to comprehend them, very much like the Buddhism relic that Araya had.

Now Nasu reduces Servants to pretty much Spirit/Wraith level, so they are very much manageable through MEoDP
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>>160953595
History is a bitch in general cause the further we go back, the harder it is to trace the truth.
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>>160953531
Spiderman is real.
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>>160952724
>Shirou=Archer

WHAT
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>>160953623
If I recall correctly the general argument was always "MEoDP can kill Servants but good luck actually pulling it off."
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>>160953665
I think the Fuyuki wiki put it something like "Shiki can see the lines of death but they aren't super prominent and Servant is superhuman anyway so Shiki can't keep up"
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>>160953078
kek someone went and posted this on /fgog/ and nobody took the bait.
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>>160953280
Doesnt this produce the mooncell's equivalent in tsukihime?
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>>160951585
honestly, which one is goddess / past / theoretical / master?

This image drives me crazy.
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I want Paul Bunyan to step on me.
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>>160953905
>goddess
The adult seiba that isn't an alter
>past
Lily
>theoretical
Big Titty Alter
>Master
School-girl seiba.
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>>160950826
>Spiderman

Maybe we could convince Disney to sue and shut down Type Moon
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>>160950826
you dare say spiderman is not a hero on his own right?
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I think putting heroes like Shakespeare and Sherlock Holmes is lame.
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>>160954042
I don't mind Sherlock because he meant that we got Moriarty and Moriarty is fucking great.
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>>160950826
>great-great granddad was quite famous and has a wikipedia article

fingers crossed
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Its a different summoning system anyway, they roll with different rules.

There's like at least 7 fucking holy grails in FGO and Chaldea collects them for storage. You raise your eyebrow over a different summoning system but not the fact that they effectively have enough holy grails(untainted ones that can grant wishes, not angrymanjew-grail)to do anything they want.
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>>160950826

>mfw someone tries to take modern TM "lore" seriously
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjmmjXGwarU
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>>160954356
The ones eligible for summoning are dependent not just on the Grail but on the Throne of Heroes.
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>>160954492
You can technically make Servants out of spirits that aren't from the Throne of Heroes. We had Fake Kojiro the wraith back in FSN and we've had several fully Divine Servants in FGO.
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>>160954552
Not exactly the case with the divine. All the divine spirits we've had take hosts. Somehow. It's not that Ishtar looks like Rin, she's using Rin's body, last I checked.
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>>160952415
Takes a peasant to not know how royalty in Europe worked.
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>>160954832
Artemis tagged along with Orion and hijacked his summoning.
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I'll never understand the butthurt of people who think Fate, and Type Moon overall, has been a deep and mature franchise for mature people such as themselves. TM has always been full of both serious and silliness. I blame Zerotards.
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>>160954872
Oh, right.
Yeah I got nothing for that one.
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>>160950826
So would Spiderman be the obligatory Saber-clone?
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>>160950826
Their first move in the franchise was swap gender King Arthur to make porn with a ginger japanese boy and your complaint is fucking Mozart?
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>>160954160
>I have a Wikipedia article
One man can dream.
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>>160955165
She's using his Saint Graph, which severely nerfs her abilities. She complains about this when she finds out she's helpless against Herc in Okeanos.
Quetz was also able to be summoned without possessing anyone since mesoamerican deities already did that to interact with their worshippers, so she is summoned as a previous host.
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>>160955267
Thanks loremaster
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>>160954832
We have Stheno and Euryale, who are presumably so weak they can do fine in a Servant container.

We have Artemis, who summoned herself with Orion and got his stats and abilities applied to her.

And we have Ishtar and Quetzalcoatl, who have both possessed hosts (Ishtar taking the completely unrelated Rin, Quetzalcoatl taking some random priestess of his that he already possessed once when she was alive). Parvati will also fall in this category whenever she gets released.

And we do also have human incarnations of gods like the pharaohs and the Indian Servants, but they all focus on the human rather than the god.
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>>160955293
The last one being like Herc.
Alcides when?
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>>160955293
Ishtar is also in Strange Fake
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>>160955320
Would Alcides be summoned as an Avenger or as an Archer?
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>>160955320
Herc is kind of the inverse of that category because he's a (half-)human who ascended to godhood upon death.

>>160955349
Probably Avenger because that would make more money.
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>>160955293
Stheno outright said that she is so weak that she needs to be protected by Medusa
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>>160955245
Anyone who does a school shooting gets a Wikipedia article anon! Sign up today to get into the Throne of Heroes!
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>>160955349
Could go either way, I suppose, but I think it'd be unnecessary to go Avenger when he's described as Archer with extra Avenger traits.

But >>160955355
might be right too
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>>160955357
I didn't mean to imply their weakness was in question, I meant that their weakness was presumably the reason they didn't have to jump through hoops like Artemis and Ishtar do.
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>>160952502
I remember a translated interview of Takeuchi saying he based the designs on Shirou and Rin
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>>160953696
>quoting fuyuki
Arai is spinning in his nonexistent grave
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>>160955533
>arai
it's deadfish now, right? Or was it deadduck?
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>>160955533
>ORT > Crimson Moon > Primate Murder > Zelretch > Gilgamesh > Arcueid ≥ Black Sakura > Berserker = Black Saber ≥ Saber > Lancer > Rider = Archer > Caster ≥ Aoko = Nrvnqsr = Kouma = Barthomeloi ≥ Kojirou > Ciel ≥ Great Teacher Hassan (GTH) ≥ "Ryougi Shiki" > V Sion = AC Satsuki = R.Shiki = Bazett ≥ Akiha = Fujino = Araya ≥ Touko = Alba ≥ 18th Roa > > SHIKI = Kiri = Reinforced Kuzuki ≥ Sion = UBW Shirou > ha Avenger > Nanaya = Rin = Kotomine = Zouken = Leysritt > Satsuki ≥ Rio = Avalon Shirou > ha Sakura > Salaryman Dead = Ilya = Corpse ≥ Azaka ≥ Misayo > Kirie = Zombie ≥ Dragon Tooth Warrior ≥ Fuji-nee > Shinji > Fake Shiki
Fight me
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>>160955630
>not including soloman
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So besides Primate Murder what are the other DAAs up to in FGO anyway?
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>>160955904
Dead, because they're kind of inexistent until you fix the timeline, and even then they're only DAs, DAAs aren't a thing, and they're not your business
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>>160955904
Zelretch is presumably still with the Association, ORT is presumably still chilling undisturbed in the Amazon, Brunestud and Dark Six are presumably still dead.
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You know it will happen.
Ruler Hitler.
Reality Marble: Mein Kampf, a world of poison gas that kills anybody with below A magical resistance, except for Jewish Servants, those need S magical resistance.
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>>160950826
Well duh, NASU IS A FUCKING HACK.
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>>160950826
1. The Grail system used in Fuyuki is not the only one to ever exist, and other may not have been designed with the same sets of restrictions on who and what could be summoned.
2. The player character in FGO does not use a Grail to summon servants, and consequently the "grail-summoning criteria" you mentioned are not strictly applicable.
3. In the first place, not all servants in FSN were categorized as heroes.
4. The Grail system used in Fuyuki is not the only one to ever exist, and other may not have been designed with the same sets of restrictions on who and what could be summoned.
5. A servant is not necessarily made in the likeness of an heroic spirit, but rather it can be said that a servant is literally anything which has been crammed into a class container, and this principle is very clearly exemplified by Fake Assassin in FSN.
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So is TYPEMOON ever oing to release another urban fantasy horror story or is that just done?
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>>160956672
Well, there's Strange Fake, if that counts
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>>160956094
More likely it would be Avenger Hitler with his Reality Marbles being the rumours that he was possessed by the Devil as well as the Nazi UFOs and Die Glocke
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I really wish Case Files were getting a faster translation.
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>>160954879
>permitting anything that fails to follow the thematic and setting conventions established by Rakkyou, Tsukihime, F/SN, and DDD
>possibly believing Extella remotely managed to capture those conventions at any point
>insipid fanservice garbage at worst which utterly destroys Nero's character
>the most inconsistent braindead shounen idiocy at best
>not full autism rage at the state of the setting and Nasu's increasing incompetence, given the existence of F/GO
>EX rank fucking everywhere on everyone
>all of these pathetic attempts at humor in the years following Mahoyo's fumbling publication
>now all the fucking memes are the most prominent thematic and setting conventions within Type-Moon works because they've been used more than the original ones Nasu wrote of during TM's first 7 or so years from 1998 to 2005
>no DDD3 (2007)
>no GW (went from being a VN to anime, tba since 2010/2011) we only got a summary and and nearly empty website
>no Tsukihime Remake (first shown in 2008, then announced for serious until the fes)

b-but muh zerotards - reddit (you)
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>>160956964
I am too, now that the next one has been teased to involve Zepia Eltnam Oberon and people related to Gransurg Blackmore.
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>>160953169
>Tsukihime feels "incomplete" as most of the story from it (and this was told by Kinoko) centered too much on the heroines

This is a good or bad thing?
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>>160957008
Somebody else already posted that pasta faggot.

And Girl's Work is not and was never Nasu's project.
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>>160957016
The whole thing is good though. The only reason the people who complain about "too much Fate" don't appreciate Case Files in my opinion is because Waver is the MC and they don't notice what the story is actually about. Its themes and the actual things that happen have more in common with KnK or Mahoyo than FSN or GO.
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But anon, Frankenstein is best girl.
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>heroes
That was some english translation, it's just legendary and famous, with feats that are perceived groundbreaking or miraculous.
Mozart is a great example of that and unlike Shakespeare and Andersen, he was an actual magus in Fate (he belonged to one of the noble bloodlines actually).
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>>160951874
Holmes literally hints the 'fictional' Servants could have been real in a pruned world, there's no difference between them and say fucking Medusa too. What makes you think she existed?

Anyway your pic related is bad example because not only he existed, but you see him fucking ALIVE in London where he plays a smarter Shirou role and gives the Servants a place to live in his manor while they try to solve the mystery. Someone just wrote a story based on him and published it, changing details. Jekyll made a potion to separate good and evil after his traumatic encounter with James Moriarty. He was a brilliant guy with a sense of austitic sense of justice part of Holmes' clique.
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>>160954879
Fate Zero threads were fun and always discussing the show, making memes, and any fighting was about the characters conflicts and who was right/wrong but was content of the show. By the end of it, everyone was hyped and excited for HF.

The FSN [HF] announcement. Seeing Shitaya come out to huge cheering, more then the UBW announcement just before, and then she started crying on stage while talking about how happy she was for the moment to finally come. Man it was emotional.

While FSN [UBW] threads were full of cancerous and entitled whiners who protested over the smallest chances and never actually discussed, they just kept bringing meta bitching about muh secondaries and muh flawless VN with barely any actual discussion of the episode. I remember how the livestream thread on 4chan was actually civil with everyone happy and celebrating for pretty much exactly an hour before it completely degenerated into the shitposting that characterised the UBW threads. It was good while it lasted I supposed.
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>>160950826
Wasnt it corrupted though?

And thats why you can summon notHeroes like assassin
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>>160952207
But Zero had the Consultation Room.
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>>160958606
Fate/Zero: Black is Urobuchi's personal parody of the story
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>>160952703
>>160952641
Zouken was busy being Barbatos in the XIX century.
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>>160952703
>>160952641
http://imgur.com/a/zjvpC
Turas realta shows Emiya residence. But Fuyuki Singularity wasn't from FGO-world per se. No Master survived it either. RIP.
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>>160952703
Tokiomi might not even have been born in a timeline where the previous four wars didn't happen.
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>>160958727
They can only curse their Fate for getting in Moneybill's way.
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Someone should get started on the HF movie compilation picture
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>>160958727
The game shows the Emiya house too, but that doesn't necessarily mean Shirou was living there. Without a 4th war and a corrupted Grail, Kiritsugu might still be alive.
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>>160958786
I mean in the Fuyuki singularity it shows Emiya residence so Shirou was likely a Master in that interaction (not the one with 'Billy and Solomon), its clear all humans died, so Shirou, Rin and all were killed.

Billy is based.
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>>160958872
Shirou would have died in Fuyuki singularity even if he didn't participate in the war. See >>160958890 All humans of the city were killed and only the Servants remained when (you) and Mashu arrive.
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>>160958922
The Singularity means fuck all.
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>>160951874
> Lancer: Tyler Durden

why Lancer?
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>>160958691
Come to think of it, it's possible Zouken died in AD 1888, in the restored FGO timeline. If so, I'm a bit curious who would have taken his role in setting up the Fuyuki war Marisbilly participated in.

In fact, since the war was the first one rather than the fifth, that might have major implications for the Holy Grail. Was it designed by the Einzberns this time around as well? If so, since it hadn't been used in a Fuyuki ritual before, when did they create it? And, was it still made using Justeaze as its core?
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>>160951381
Only if she only tried to speak like a white person instead of a nigger. oh wait
>France.
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>>160950826
Well the original system never contemplated more than a handful of characters because they were woven into a particular story and theme (heroism, idealism, morality).
Then the concept gained massive popularity and we're now basically at the stage of historical figures pokemon, the more the better so you see all kinds of retarded shit like more and more genderbent heroes
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>>160953209
the Epic outright says that Gilgamesh's hair has the color of the Sun
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>>160958946
Except Gil reveals that what happens in the singularity, happens in the real world. The people who die REMAIN dead, they just die in a different manner. Roman lied to lessen your burden, and carried it on his shoulders instead. Like if one of Jeanne Alter's dragons eat you, you would just be eaten by a pack of wild animals. The exceptions happen when Tiamat or Lion King interfered because they didn't cause of the singularity thus their actions are retconned.
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>>160958987
He was sane in the XIX century, so maybe he had a heir prepared properly unlike FSN Zouken.

I don't think it affects much to the timeline, the ritual was set ages ago but didn't use it until 2004 (maybe because Zouken got Barbatos'ed?).
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>>160959142
If that were true then the Magic Association would no longer exist after all the Singularities got fixed because they were massacred in the London chapter.
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>>160958548
it was the same everywhere

I got into T-M in 2014 and I was happy af, that forums were alive again just in time for me to join the discussion.

but 10 episodes into UBW and threads turn into VN spergs' circlejerk
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Hitler when?
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>>160951584
Mata Hari is a bigger "why are you here" than any other. She was a pretty bad spy who was only known for being executed.
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>>160950826
>he thinks Spiderman isn't a hero
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>>160959245
Nasu explained the building blew up, but the big shots smelled something was off and fucked off so saved their skin.
They had their values stored somewhere else, they just rebuilt the building later.
There were casualties though, but mostly young magi.
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After going through the chore of animating fate/zero, hyping it up, and making it extremely successful, why in the world would UFO choose to adapt UBW of all things? Heavens Feel is the only route that gives any kind of closure to everything fate/zero discusses, its the only route that even seems like the end of a story instead of the beginning of another one.

I mean for fucks sake, they hype up kotomine as a dueteronomist, but use the route where he's a cheap villain instead of granting clousure to his character, big discussion on kerry's morals, but its never brought up again. Zero had sakura every-fucking-where but they choose to adapt the route in which she is a literal who. Even fucking illya, send multiple episodes building up a tragic heroeine only to have her die as a literal who. Heavens feel wraps up everything they started with Zero but they pussied out at the last minute

The heavens feel movie trilogy sounds good but honestly it was a wasted opportunity on UFO's part
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>>160959245
Nasu blogged about that. Zouken's devastation of the Clock Tower wasn't as bad as it could have been. Many magi fled and many others were simply not present at the time. A lot of people died, but when history is restored the magus community would still persevere.
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>>160959310
She's actually pretty famous and became synonymous (not to mention inspiring the very concept of) femme fatale.
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>>160951874
>Dude, make a pact with me. What could go wrong?
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>>160959347
HF builds on shirou's character from UBW. Fate is meant to be done in this order. Fate > UBW > HF.
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>>160959059
>She reacts to your greeting the best she can
Man, if you didn't find that cute and funny, I don't even know what to say.
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>>160959347
Because no one wants to animate a series where all the shit anyone will ever remember happens in the last third anyway.
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>>160953209
>>160953100

Arthuria was an isolated case that made perfect sense because the current consensus is that he didn't exist. Imagine what us believing that would mean for an instance in which we did. In that case we know so little about the person that if they happened to be a woman it wouldn't be crazy.
See gender bending is not the issue, but you have to keep it down and only use it in some very particular cases in which it would fit. You can convincingly say Jack the Ripper was actually a woman, you can't just summon Obama and have him be a little black girl.
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>>160950826
Do you remember when people from modern times could not be summoned cause no one qualified as a hero?

Do you remember when gun users could not be heroes, because pulling the trigger is too easy to qualify?

Do you remember when gods could not be summoned?
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>>160952415
>>160952466
Fuck off A*glo. You speak bastardized French, your greatest dynasties started with a French one, you claim to be *celtic* yet are Roman, Saxon, and Scandinavian rape-babies.
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>>160952617
>Fran actually speaking in complete sentences

HNNNGGGG
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>>160952617
>plasma bladu
why is japanese so retarded?
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>>160955630
> Fujinon and Moe Priest that low

I hope this list never made further than meme status
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>>160952415
> implying nationalism was a thing before The French Revolution
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>>160953023
I only want him in GO if his scenarios/dialogue will be written by Narita. I dunno if anyone else can do him right, and I don't wanna trust anyone else to try.
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>Antoinette hate.

I was summoned as "no Antoinette folder" so I had to wait and endure such vulgarity but not anymore!

Vive la France!
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