Why do people hate dubs with so much vile prejudice? I refuse

>>160944597
Because I'm polish there are barely any dubs here

>>160944597
>Don't actually understand the language so meaning of some cadence is lost
true
>Voices often sound samey for reason above
false
>Hard to tell what actual good voice acting is for same reason above
false
>Have to split attention between video and reading the subs, sometimes information in either can be missed
false
1/4, see me after class

>>160944597
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc5ZkuyrNbk

>>160944597
Of course jojofags cant follow dubs. One of the only fanbases i've seen where not consuming the source material is ok

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>>160944719
>EUAHEUAHEUAHARRAAAH

The Patrick Seitz verison was so much better, why did they change it?

Yeah I don't speak Japanese and I don't watch shows to read so dubs make sense. But weebs gonna weeb there's no arguing against them.

>>160944672
I feel like there's always the same old man voice, the same effeminent man voice, the same edgelord voice,etc. I didn't mean to say that absolutely everyone sounds the same, but it's a bit harder to tell with a language barrier. I also stick by my last two statements, I definitely don't like all Japanese voice acting and I've dropped some anime from being irritated by voices. I've also had to rewind to reread subs that I misread.

>>160944719
Censorship aside, I definitely stand by watching subs if it's this bad. Stardust crusaders has shit english voice actors though anyway

>>160944597
People often blame the voice actors for a bad dub, but most the time it's the shitty writing that does it. Writing can make even the best voice actors seem incompetent, although there are a few hits every once in a while (Golden Boy, Outlaw Star, Cowboy Bebop, etc.)

Can JoJo fags be banned yet?

>>160945472
>stop liking what i dont like

>>160945502
Who the fuck are you quoting?
I don't care if you like JoJo i care if you're a JoJofag.

>>160944597
If you watch dubs then you don't belong here

>don't understand the language
Well there's your problem.

>>160945657
Ok, can you just tell me what makes Jojofags any more annoying than other fanbases on /a/

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>>160944597
>I refuse to believe watching subs is superior to dubs in every way.
>t. EOP

Try saying that again after you actually start to care about anime. Pic related, example of pathetic dub attempt that failed miserably.

>>160946419
Her Japanese voice is a matter of taste.

>>160946336
They are 20% more retarded because they like JoJo.

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>>160944719
>that second one
What in the thousand fucks

>>160944597
Because only casuals watch dubs due to them coming out months/years later.

If you aren't watching every anime as it comes out with /a/ then you are a faggot and a casual

The only dub I think is worthwile is the Black Lagoon dub. And also the Space Dandy dub. Mainly because the actors actually seemed to put effort into what they were doing in those shows. And that's the whole cruz of the matter, really.
American voice acting is lackluster and not as lucrative as Japanese voice acting. Over there it's a serious job. Over here it's a side gig. The actors don't care as much. Add to that disinterested producers only looking for a quick cashgrab by adapting what they think is a retarded cartoon and you get an unsatisfactory result.
Which is why I generally prefer the original dub over an English dub.

>>160946567
yeah no, it was universally recognized as one of the worst dubs ever, the VA was even changed once for fuck sake, you would need retarded ears to fail to recognized an objectively shit dub like this.

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>>160944597
Only a handful of dubs I liked. But that aside, there's just so much wrong with English dubs, you have these voice actors who dont even make an effort to sound emotional.
>Picrelated

>>160944597
>Don't actually understand the language so meaning of some cadence is lost
watching dubs will prevent to from ever learning
>Voices often sound samey for reason above
you're just deaf then
>Hard to tell what actual good voice acting is for same reason above
see above
>Have to split attention between video and reading the subs, sometimes information in either can be missed
and also kinda dumb
Sometimes dubs aren't as bad as people make them out to be, but most of the time they are. Even in shows where certain characters sound as good or even better in the dub, they are usually the exception, and the rest of the cast just sounds bad. Making a good dub is really hard, which is why in most cases it's better to just go with the original version. Why wouldn't you?

>dialog dumbed down and censored so that even your retarded 5 years old little brother can watch it
>dialog often removed from scenes where you cannot see the mouth to reduce costs
>grannies making voices of little girls because there're no young people in the dub industry

Everything is made in order to increase the viewers numbers to maximize profit, there's no passion in english dubs, everything is dull and the only objective is stealing your money while they make you believe you're paying for a good product. Only FUNi shills would defend dubs, since they're paid for it, again everything leads always to one reason: clueless ignorant EOP's wallets.

>>160946336
haven't read a single chapter of JoJo but /a/ has liked jojo since 10 years ago. Fuck off to whatever you came from newfag, this isn't your safe space.

>>160944597
Dubs used to be good but nowaday it's like they dont put any effort anymore

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>>160944597
ANYONE WANT SOME DONUTS, I GOT SOME DONUTS HERE!!!

>>160947438
Yes faggot thats what I did

>>160944597
>I refuse to believe watching subs is superior to dubs in every way.
Well, you are a typical dub-tard.

>not understanding even basic nipponese
>being tone-deaf to emotion and quality of acting
yeah, typical burger.

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>>160944597
>>160944719

I could give a shit about dubs but JoJo just doesn't work in anything but Japanese

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>>160947494
HEY MAN CHECK OUT THESE JUICY HAMBURGERS!!

>>160947753
>hamburgers

Those are clearly jelly donuts you uncultured fuck

>>160947487
>This isn't your safe space!
Isn't objecting to something the exact opposite of a safe space?

>>160944597
you picked the worst example. JoJo, of all things man? At least pick DBZ or something.

Why do English dubs sound so flat? My nephew was watching Pokemon this morning and jesus christ the voice acting is terrible. Is it like Sonic Adventure's english dub being so terrible because they're directed by a japanese person?

>>160946752
>Not liking the superior Princess Tutu dub.
Also, wrong on American voice acting lacking talent. Consider how recognizable Homer Simpson, Peter Griffin, etc are. Problem is all the talent goes to the normie cartoons, along with English voice actors trying to match the high pitched voices of the Japs.

>>160944597
JP VA industry worth millions and still choose to eat shit (dubs) instead lol

>>160944597
>Why do people hate dubs with so much vile prejudice?

Because of garbage like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A52jF75LTX8

>>160947854
Jojo, particularly Stardust Crusaders, was my example of a bad dub. I thought Phantom Blood sounded bad dubbed at first but it grew on me

>>160947487
>no effort
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TFAGAyLzcg

>>160948091
the part 2 dub is even better desu

>>160946752
Why is it so hard to find Space Dandy's dub online?

>>160946771
On the other hand, the show itself was already shit anyway so no amount of quality voice acting could've saved it.

>>160944597
4kids left a bad taste

I bet a good percentage of weebs here actually watch movies dubbed in Nip.

It's not dubs that are bad, it's Amerilard voice acting. Like everything they do, it's rushed, low-quality and lacking in effort. Fitting for soulless, hypocritical animals such as them.

>>160944597
>Don't actually understand the language so meaning of some cadence is lost
>Voices often sound samey for reason above
>Hard to tell what actual good voice acting is for same reason above
>Have to split attention between video and reading the subs, sometimes information in either can be missed
These are only issues for retards, get the fuck off of /a/.

>>160948963
Obviously https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSRylVSfxyw

>>160944920
>I've also had to rewind to reread subs that I misread.
You reading slow isn't a fault of subs.

I'm from Brazil. I like the brazillian dubs for old anime such as Dragon Ball (and Z), Yu Yu Hakusho, Saint Seiya, etc. And to name a new one that I think they did a good job in the dub would be OPM, it has the same style as YYH's dub.
Also check'em dubs

>>160944597
>Voices often sound samey for reason above
Every single voice in dubs is Johnny Yong Bosch over enunciating vowels in Japanese names. It's way more repetitive than subs.

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>>160944597
>Don't actually understand the language so meaning of some cadence is lost
But what if i do?

>>160944946
>People often blame the voice actors for a bad dub, but most the time it's the shitty writing that does it.

99% of bad dubs come from bad voice directors. When you hear a bad dub it's because the voice director didn't do his job. Every line only had one take and he/she did not give any direction at all.

>>160944895
There is nothing wrong with watching shows in their original language

Because dubs gives us gems like this
https://youtu.be/tEXurYaIHao

>>160949103
WRONG.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ApwVGT7LKA
>>160949132
Telling characters apart series to series is blurred. Especially the trope filled series.
>>160949147
>It uses og Bane's breathing, the ahh gets through, Va doesn't sound like he's wearing a mask, and lastly it sounds like studio production and not recorded on a plane.
So the orignal is superior.

>>160944895
>complaining about weebs on /a/

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>>160944597
Dubs are good in their own right.
Subs and Dubs are different, and because they are different, people either embrace them or abolish them.
Reading something gives a different feeling than Hearing something, so it's not the same to compare the two.

>>160944597
You are free to refuse it but it doesn't make it any less true.

>>160947888
Pokemon's dub has always been shit. It's not indicative of the norm.

>>160944597
>prejudice
Just realized dubfags are the mudslimes of the anime community.

>>160947888
see
>>160949380

Most VDs for anniemay just don't give a fuck about the piece of work. It's just to pay rent for them.

>>160949460
PESKY PATRIARCHY

>>160951043
>dubs of peace

>>160944597
Its really a shame when an anime is so visually appealing and you have to switch between subs and the actual animation being displayed.
Like a visual masterpiece like Redline is most enjoyed if watching dub I suppose (I dont know if the dub is good).
But a fucking generic visual presentation like HunterxHunter is just fine to watch with subs.

>>160944597
I learned to speak and understand Japanese at JLPT N2 level purely by watching subbed anime and dramas.

>>160944597
>Have to split attention between video and reading the subs, sometimes information in either can be missed
I'm an ESL and I can read subs without missing visual information from the show. You're just retarded.

>>160951251
Not OP, but its not so much as missing information on the show, but being unable to fully appreciate it.
Like when you watch a movie in you language without subtitles, you can appreciate the beautiful shots and transitions so much more than if you were also paying attention to subtitles.

Reminder that comedies are better dubbed 99% of the time.

>>160951391
Nope.

>>160951391
no

>>160951391
Reminder to suck my presumptuous cock

>>160951391
>watch seto no hanayome dub on TV
>it's so bad that it makes me think poorly of the show itself
>watch original
>becomes my favorite comedy

>>160949560
Dude that post about DKR was a joke

>>160951328
Or you can learn how to read faster than a 2nd grader. Do you still mouth all your words?

>>160951391
why don't you go watch South Park or one of those 3 McFaturd shows then

>>160947888
I'm not a fan of dubs but Pokemon's dub were funny and one of the few top-tier ones.

>>160951525
Not really effective to read fast when like two lines of text are meant to be read while a lot of shit happens on one second on screen anon.
Static shots and dialogue sequences are not really a problem when watching with subs. A reason why Death Note is fine watching with subs, its mostly just talking.

>>160951565
Dont compare south park to family guy

>>160951506
>seto no hanayome dub
>TV

The English dub never aired on TV. No one cares about your shit language.

I tend to like a dub if I see the dub first and a sub if I see the sub first.

Prefer dub:
>DBZ
>FMA
>Bebop
>Champloo
>Kenshin
>YYH
>etc.

Prefer sub
>Everything else

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>>160947783
No they're clearly hot dogs you swine!

>>160951627
Naruto's dub is pretty good. Everyone is pretty OK, except for that stupid bitch that voices Naruto.

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There are some dubs out there that are just super, like pic related. I can't remember a single bad performance from that film

>>160951670
>watching Naruto in any language

>>160951606
bro south park literally copies reddit memes at this point

>inb4 you must be a redditor because you know this
no i am a facebooker

>>160944597
Good bait OP, have a free (You)

>>160951678
FMA: Brotherhood's dub was also surprisingly good. Some dub voices fit some characters better than the japanese ones I would say.

>>160951686
>Watching anime in any language but braile.

>>160948694
>the show itself was already shit
That doesn't mean shit, besides it wasn't shit, otherwise it wouldn't get a dub in the first place, it was one of the best series of its time.
Even if it was, it still wouldn't justify the shit dub job they did, if you are gonna dub a "shit" series then just don't frigging dub it at all.
Dubs are shit, it's a matter of objective facts.

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>>160944597
>ctrl + f "ygotas"
>0 matches

I am disappointed in you /a/. it was GOD-tier

>>160951713
you are a retard, I'd say

>>160944597
I don't like dubs because they never translate written Japanese so I end up not know what say an important piece of paper or sign says.

>>160947049
this anon puts it perfectly

>>160951751
The best dubs are for shit shows though.

>Rosario+Vampire
>Daimidaler
>Maken-ki
>and of course Ghost Stories

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Did Haruhi say retarded in the dub?

>>160951805
That has an easy solution because anime characters tend to be such fucking autists that they say everything they fucking read and think out loud.

>>160951615
it was the funimation english dub

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Do people actually have trouble reading subs and paying attention to the show at the same time? I've been watching subbed anime for so long I don't even consciously read subs anymore.

>>160951805
I've never seen a dub that doesn't translate important on-screen text. Are you sure there wasn't a "signs/songs only" subtitle track you didn't enable?

>>160951811
that anon spouts bullshit claims with no source

>dialog often removed from scenes where you cannot see the mouth to reduce costs

This especially is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

>>160951857
Not really, but when a show is so fucking visually active every second and very visually appealing then its easy to miss shit.
In shows where its mostly dialogue based its all fine.

I like dubs, but acknowledge that some deserve an unrelenting salvo of nuclear hellfire. The prime example of this would be the Girls und Panzer dub, which is so mind-numbingly bad it causes me physical pain to endure.

>>160952013
>Sentai dubs

It's been almost 10 fucking years since they crawled out from underneath ADV's corpse and they still haven't got their shit together.

>>160947049
>grannies making voices of little girls because there're no young people in the dub industry

Now this right here is grade A bullshit. Most dub VA's these days are young men and women, or older people that have the vocal range to do convincing young adult voices anyway. If anything the opposite is true.

>dialog often removed from scenes where you cannot see the mouth to reduce costs

Once again false and doesn't even make any sense. If anything dialogue spoken where you cannot see the mouths would be added to since the actors don't have to worry about lip flaps, giving them more leeway with their dialogue.

>dialog dumbed down and censored so that even your retarded 5 years old little brother can watch it

Even back in the 90's most dubs had a shit load of swears and innuendo added in to make it edgier. Even 4KIDS dubs had a few innuendos here and there.

>>160951858
I think this is mostly an artifact of TV airings where written Japanese words were either left untranslated or removed entirely. The DVD's usually had the texts subbed or outright translated.

>>160952090
>added in
Theres your problem

>>160951857
No. I don't particularly care if a show is subbed or dubbed unless it's an old OVA or the sub and dub have actual differences outside of the spoken language, and even in it usually boils down to which soundtrack I prefer. Only times where subs are distracting are techno-babble and dialogue heavy anime.

You're supposed to engage art the way the auteur intended. Dubbed foreign films are absolute cancer, because the original actors' intent is lost. Same with anime, except in a few rare cases where the English dub is supervised, like Black Lagoon. But even then you can assume that the talent of the original Japanese VAs is what was intended, with the dub only existing for broad appeal.

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>>160951857
People complaining about Tatami Galaxy being too fast get me every time
I'm an ESL and I had no fucking trouble. I'd understand if other ESLs were complaining, but most of the time this shit comes from native speakers.

>>160952090
>most dub VA's these days are young men and women
Yeah, with incredibly shit vocal ranges. Middle schoolers are either made out to sound like women/men in their mid-20s, or sound like a complete joke - picture a nurse prepping a young kid for an injection - that's what the women in the dubs sound - condescending as all hell. Which is actually strange as hell, since I've occasionally seen pretty good voice acting in western animation (I don't watch them regularly, I just happen to see them on the TV when looking through the channels). It's like the anime voice actors in the west are the bottom of the barrel trash.

>>160946771
We're still talking about the Japanese voice?

>>160952309
>You're supposed to engage art the way the auteur intended.

Yeah, and in this case they intended you to hear it, not read it. The only way to get the "original experience" is to become fluent in the language of the work and watch it raw. Subtitles aren't any closer to the original vision, especially in anime's case where most of them sound completely unnatural when spoken aloud.

>>160946771
The VAs changed because the first season was dubbed in Canada and subsequent seasons were licensed in Texas, not because the S1 dub was legendarily shit or anything.

>>160952374
>It's like the anime voice actors in the west are the bottom of the barrel trash.

Anime VA's are literally just regular VA's who happen to do a lot of anime. The reason their performances sounds worse in anime is due to pre-lay vs post-lay work.

>picture a nurse prepping a young kid for an injection - that's what the women in the dubs sound

I've literally only heard a handful of middle-school aged anime kids sound like this, and the one that's coming to mind right now isn't even from an anime. Even then it depends on the anime in question. Beyblade and other toyetic anime dubs shift between sounding too cartoony or just plain sounding like adults.

>>160946419
>Hating that Shana sounds like an actual person
>Liking Rie Kugimiya's tsundere voice

You're a fucking faggot.

>>160952413
You're right, that's ideal. But the fact is dubs require more liberties in translation, and result in more loss and mistranslation than subs. Subs can be edited again and again, as official subs are by the fansub community, and made more accurate or otherwise improved on, while dubs are permanent.

>>160951670
That's why I completely dropped the english dub after watching approximately 1 episode of it. Such an annoying voice. It's the same thing with Goku in japanese. It sounds so fucking bad.

>>160951805
They usually do translate. The problem I have is sometimes when they don't translate it right away. Like finally that one written message will be translated at the end of the scene, or at the end of the episode, even though you could clearly read it when it was first shown.

>>160951751
We're just getting trolled here. Even Japanese have dubs. They don't make silent movies.
This whole topic is absolute rubbish, every single thread is full of troll posts.

>>160951670

Naruto is just an annoying character. The English and Japanese voices are equally annoying, and when placed sequentially, sound similar.

It's a terrible show with a good dub track, either way.

>>160952413
>Subtitles aren't any closer to the original vision
Actively removing elements of the finished show obviously distances the dub further from the original vision. For some reason dubfags only get mad when animation (or even the soundtrack!) is altered, while apparently replacing the entire voice track is considered acceptable. Removing one element of a finished product, then replacing it with something made in a different country, by different people, under different circumstances, for a different audience. Today dubfags can delude themselves into thinking they're watching something faithful to the original, but if they actually cared about that they wouldn't be watching them in the first place. As a non-native speaker you have to resort to some form of translation and subs are simply superior in most aspects, including faithfulness to the original.

>they intended you to hear it, not read it
In the case of subtitles you are hearing it, with a visual aid. Watching subs over time will make you more familiar with the language and improve the overall experience, whereas dubs will stay as bad as ever.