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How am I supposed to buy that this scrawny rabbit that couldn't even handle this plant monster can pose a threat to Hit?
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>>160930322
We have no idea how strong that monster was.
"It was foddler" means jackshit.
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>>160930322
Reminder that Son Goku is beautiful.
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>>160930322

Watching Dragonball, just finished Tien's saga, how did he get shafted so bad and Krillin ended up becoming the strongest human? He was a fucking powerhouse.
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>>160930378
I'd bet a dozen donuts Hit could beat that thing without Toppo's help.
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Reminder
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Reminder that both the Anime and the Manga FOLLOW a script.

Both of them are on the same level of canon, BoG and RoF are above them.
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>>160930322
Plant monster's power level was above him.
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>>160931416
How fucking new are you? I know these threads are trash, but this is a new level of retarded.
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>>160931354
Does Frieza come back on the original script or is he Toei filler?
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>>160930322
Tell me what this monsters power level is without your headcanon
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>>160931459
pretty new to /a/ to be honest
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>>160931462

Apparently he's from the script, considering that it's hinted that he will have an important role.

What I really think it's Toei filler is Kale becoming LSS.
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caulifla
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>>160932224
I would willwatch it
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Super Saiyan God is confirmed
what the fuck is this shit
>muh powerlevel scaling
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I hope we never see the U6 saiyans again. I hope Gohan gives up for good. Then these threads will be better.
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>>160932460
nice headcanon toyocuk
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>>160932657
Frieza has 23 hours left after the ToP. Assuming the super DB's are used to nullify the losses, I want to see Frieza got to u6 and genocide the Saiyans
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>>160930322

Because it was bullshit toei filler you nigger
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>>160931756
Caulifla is probably the filler (or at least an unexpected addition) since Kale was shown off first and Kale's design 'fits' with Cabba's. You can see how they really go cutely together. If Kale shows up, her going LSS will probably be handled better since Toyo is kind of a Broly fanboy.
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I honestly think SSG>SSB aesthetically. It doesn't help that SSB has pretty much become the designated jobbing form now.
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>>160932753
Caulifla is Toriyama's creation you retard, Kale is just a meme Toei character.
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>>160932753
Caulifla is literally Cabba with longer hair. If anything Kale with her dark skin and autism eyes look out of place.
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>>160932987
>CucKale treated as an afterthought

Kaleniggers btfo
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>>160933112
Funimation is going to fix the piece of trash by copy and pasting broly dialoge and sound effects.
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>>160932987
>if you look closely at her back
Tingles were foreshadowedthis much?
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>>160932987
Calm down.
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>>160932987
toriyama's drawing. notice her eyes eyes
>>160933047
yamamuros drawing, her eyes.
YAMAMURO IS TRASH
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>>160931297
>non canon shit
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>>160933562
>happened in the future therefore non-cannon
... By that logic all of the events after the first written word are non-canon.
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>>160933562
>seething
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>>160933562
Name a more useless and pointless transformation than SS3.
At least Vegeta gave Base God form some real utility.
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>>160932224
not relevant this week you can go now
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Leave ToP to Me
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>>160933644
GT can't happen in a future anymore.
How do you explain old Pilaf? Or Shin and Kibito fusing again? Or evil 17 now that he is a lovely father? Or Goku and Vegeta forgetting the god transformation? Or Freeza forgetting his gold form?
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>>160930322
hey wheres line art comic anon
still waiting for that folder dump
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>>160934054
>No flying
Into the void he goes.
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>>160933971
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>>160934132
>How do you explain old Pilaf?
"ayo shenron, make me/us older"

>Shin and Kibito fusing again?
They fell and their earings came off and one of them ended up putting on one of the other's earing.

>Or evil 17 now that he is a lovely father?
The animals that he loved so much killed his family.

>Or Goku and Vegeta forgetting the god transformation?
Zeno willed it so.

>Or Freeza forgetting his gold form?
He wanted to enjoy the fight.
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>>160934184
>forgetting that he can leap over tall buildings
Kids these days.
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>>160934278
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160934252
>instigating gohan vs caulifla shit
>post you replied to had no mention of gohan
you really need to get a life and find a way to obtain pleasure that is not "haha gohanfags btfo XD"
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>>160934278
>The animals that he loved so much killed his family.
>He wanted to enjoy the fight.
These 2 don't make sense
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>>160934389
>animals
"ay yo faggot I am your guardian, why are you rampaging at the very first thing you see?"

>enjoy the fight
Freezer did it in revengance. Why wouldn't he do it in GT?
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>>160934278
Pilaf is set for life living with Bulma at Capsule Corp. No way he's going to ruin everything trying to be older again.
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>>160933741
SSB
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>>160934374
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>>160934374
>asserting youre not a cuck

very very dumb
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Gohanfags seem pretty angry today. What happened?
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>>160934762
Looks like daddy took the spotlight off of him yet again
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>>160934650
>>160934650
https://boards.fireden.net/a/search/filename/%20IMG_1145/
imagine being this autistic
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Why is he so perfect?
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Jiren is perhaps the only character left that can salvage this arc, if only cause of his power and mysteriousness
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>>160934834
https://boards.fireden.net/a/search/filename/%20IMG_1081/
pure unfiltered autism
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How far would young Scrooge McDuck last?
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>>160934839
https://boards.fireden.net/a/search/image/smuUeE77hWzrsAy0j_Eprg/
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>>160934278
>The animals that he loved so much killed his family.
kek
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>>160934839
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>>160934978
K
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>>160931354
Movies aren't above anything. The movies used Toriyama's bare one scripts as well. Just because it's nearly packaged doesn't make it so special.
The manga gets more oversight than the movies.
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>>160931297
Where does Super Saiyajin Rose fit in that chart?
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>>160934524
Why nobody remember them as villains? why Bulma allows her kidnappers living in her home?
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>>160935078
Rose is non-canon, it's Toei filler crap
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>>160934278
GT was never canon to begin with, and it has absolutely zero to do with Super's existence and whatever plotholes it may bring about so stop trying to make up bullshit headcanon explanations for every single one of them
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>>160935112
Probably because it happened a long ass time ago and they were never a big enough threat that would make Bulma remember about them.
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>>160935124
>this is your average Toyocuck
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>>160935170
"how do you explain X?"
"here is a reasonably viable explaination of how it is possible. Please don't be a faggot and call me a faggot because you assumed an explanation was head canon."

You're a faggot.
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>>160934907
>Hit is perhaps the only character left that can salvage this arc, if only cause of his power and mysteriousness
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Goku and Caulifla doujin when?
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>>160935303
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>>160935078
It doesn't, because Saiyans are ningen and can never hope to achieve such beauty
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>>160931297
>ascended ssg
>double ascended ssg
Makes me ponder
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>>160935282
>implying I'm the one asking for explanations to non-canon (irrelevant) events and how they could fit in the story (doesn't matter because irrelevant and non-canon)
Gay
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>>160935456
>Implying you didn't respond to my post where I was responding to someone asking for explanations.

You're still a faggot.
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>>160932987
I can't understand that someone thought it was a good idea to promote a new character like that. She looks like someone from Rick and Morty.
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>>160935628
>She looks like someone from Rick and Morty.
how?
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How different would the tournament have been if universe 9 had accepted Frieza's proposal?
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>>160935653
Stick figure, no shading, no details, asymetric lines. Basically fucking trash made in MS Paint
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>>160935575
You made this post
>>160933644
Yeah?
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>>160935824
Yes.
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>>160935715
U9 would have been erased as the last instead being the first. I'm pretty sure that Freeza was happy that he dodged a bullet there by not getting hired by U9, after seeing how trashy they were.
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Leave the tournament to us.
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I want her to become the strongest character. She has the potential, if both U6 and U7 end up surviving (which is very possible) I want her to become Goku's student before Oob happens. She's honestly one of the only reasons why I keep watching the show
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>>160935112
For the same reason she fucked, had kids and married a man who killed her friends.
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Some anon was working on this a few threads ago. I've been watching through Dragon Ball Kai over the last few days (currently at semi-perfect cell) and there's a few errors here.

Thought I'd post them in case anon is still around.

1) Vegeta was way stronger than Goku, even with Kaioken. Goku burned out his body by trying to use higher multipliers of Kaioken than he could take. Vegeta survived a Genki Dama (though it had lost 50% of it's energy). Is the term "Oozaro even canon? Vegeta only lost because they managed to slowly wear him down. By the time he cut off Gohan's tail he was too worn down to get out of the way of Gohan crushing him.

2) They went to Namek because Piccolo died protecting Gohan and since Piccolo and Kami-sama have a life-link that means Kami-sama died too and there's no more Dragon Balls on Earth.

3) Namekian balls grant three wishes, can only revive one person at a time, have no limits on how many times a person can be revived (Chaozu had died twice), and take about as long to recharge from Earth's balls (because Namekian year is shorter). Elder Guru powered up Gohan and Kirilin by "triggering" their potential. Namekian wishes were used to:
1) Revive Piccolo
2) Teleport Piccolo to Namek
3) (much later) teleport everyone except Frieza and Goku to Earth.
After Piccolo was revived the Earth balls were used to revive everyone Frieza's men killed (Vegeta's kills didn't count). Piccolo merged with Nail (strongest warrior-type Namekian with a power level comparable to Vegeta) and became way stronger.

4) Goku jobbed to Captain Ginyu's body switch and spent a long time healing in a healing chamber. Meanwhile Dende healed everyone else a bunch of times while they fought Frieza (Goku and Vegeta got a bunch of Zenkais).

5) Frieza facetanks everything they throw at him including Kaiokenx20 and multi-planet Genki Dama. Right before Goku transforms they're all exhausted and basically incapable of continuing the fight.

(cont.)
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>>160935987
Fuck, wrong pic
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>>160936067
same species as the fattie.
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>>160935865
Yeah so your logic was "people think GT is non-canon because plotholes,I'll explain the plotholes" when in fact GT is non-canon because it's fucking non-cnon fanfiction, nothing more to it
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>>160936088
>gt is non-canon because I want it to be
You accuse me of being delusional, really?
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>>160936067
What's their song again?
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>>160936088

How is Super canon while GT is not?
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how do you call this form?
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>>160936240
Looks to be at least super saiyan J5
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>>160936240

SSGSS3x3
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>>160936210
because super is written by toriyama?
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>>160936088
>>160936140
Toriyama said it's a side story so it's a side story, the end. It's like the 13 movies from Garlic Jr to Fusion Reborn, nothing more nothing less. SS4 is as canon as Gogeta and Pseudo Super Saiyan
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>>160936140
No, GT is non-canon because Toriyama didn't write it nor has he ever stated it to be part of the continuity,by definition it is literal fanfiction
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>>160936324
>>160936301
>trusting someone who caught alzheimers at 23
... I've got a bridge in brooklyn to sell to you.
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pretty hype for SSG desu
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>>160936357
Even if Toriyama was a hospitalised mental patient his words would still hold more worth than anything you could say about his creative property
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>>160933047
You are really keen on posting autistic pastas
https://boards.fireden.net/a/search/filename/%20IMG_1062/
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>>160934952
Was he swindled or did anyone steal his lucky dime?
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>>160936450
The words of the author are meaningless. The only relevant information is in the content.
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>>160933524
Oh Yamamuro, sweet Yamamuro, which rock did you hit your head on you piece of garbage and why are you still working on my anime
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>>160936592
>The words of the author are meaningless.
Oooohhhh...
I getcha.
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>>160936638
IF you accept that the words of the author are supreme, then the actual content is meaningless.
That's an idiotic position to hold.
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>>160936693
Heres you're you, also gt is not canon and will never be but good job getting a reply out of me
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>>160936798
>Heres you're you
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>>160936798
Unless the retcon occurs in the actual content of the series, it's just the author's head canon.
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>>160936526
swindled, obviously
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>>160936693
Oh you're serious?
The content is an expression of the author's thoughts and ideas, why would it become intrinsically meaningless if he wishes to supplement the content with his own words outside of the medium in one way or another? Now that's some idiotcracy
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>>160936910
See >>160936898
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>>160936039
6) Androids 16, 19, and 20 (Gero) weren't around in Future Trunks timeline, 17 and 18 seem different (they aren't killing people/animals unnecessarily).

7) Time fuckery (this shit is a mess and I have no idea how it plays out in the manga):
From time of Freiza's arrival on Earth:
>17 year old Trunks arrives from 20 years in the future. Fucks up timeline by accident. Gives Goku medicine and returns to the future.
>23 years in the future Cell kills Trunks and steals his time machine to return to a year before Freiza's arrival (because Trunk's time machine was preset to go to that time).
>Everyone trains for three years awaiting the androids (Vegeta becomes stronger than Goku).
Three years after Freiza's arrival:
>Trunks returns to the past (from when exactly isn't clear) to help fight the androids from the future.

8) After everyone jobs to the androids they focus on getting stronger and hiding Goku. After Kami learns about Cell he realizes it's the thing he's had a bad feeling about and decides to merge with Piccolo to defeat Cell (Piccolo becomes more powerful than everyone except 16, though Cell surpasses him shortly after). Goku, Gohan, Trunks, and Vegeta all go to train in the time chamber in an attempt to surpass Super Saiyan.
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>>160936910
*idiocracy
>>160936898
>the author's head canon
Damn
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>>160936898
Also what retcon? I thought we were discussing GT's inate canonicity? Damn, this bait is really getting to me
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>>160936931
Whoa, so there's still brain damaged retards who thinks GT is canon. I do like gt even more than super but shit like this makes me want to puke out of sheer retard inducing headcanon that thinks it is more important than what it's creator had said.
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>>160936898
You're an absolute imbecile.
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>>160937143
>author head canon is more legitimate than fan head canon
All head canon is equal. Only thing that matters is the source material.
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>>160937160
>He doesn't like fat wife beater birb
Kiero
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>>160936908
Then he solos
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>>160937174
Holy moly fucking loli goddess of goys! There's a genius in this thread, everyone!
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>>160937174
Ahahaha somebody screencap this shit
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you toyofags think you have the last laugh?
but you're wrong the ssg we're going to get wont be the same as the one we've seen. the ssg wr will witness in ep 104 is goku having mastered ssg thats why its hair looks like the one of a ssj and not his base form.
>headcanon durr
several proofs
toshio t-shirt that he tweeted and the red haired ssj behind the chocolat
CHECKMATE TOYOKEKS
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I think we all can agree on this one
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>>160933741
SSG
SSB
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>>160937199
>he likes fez parrot
>quoting Jiren the Gay
Disgusting
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>>160937174
Are you ok?
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>>160937174
I sincerely hope and will pray to every god known to man, even if I'm an atheist, that you're just shit posting and/or trolling the shit out of us and you're not really the retard that you looked like here.
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>>160937396
>Posted by an avatarfag
Pottery
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>>160933741
>At least Vegeta gave Base God form some real utility.
?
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>>160937464
>>160937451
>>160937264
>>160937255
>the reports are in, toriyama said that dragonball super is literally star wars and goku never existed
You: "this is legitimate and ok, the author's word is supreme and the source material is meaningless. goku is noncanon"
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>>160937451
>ficou pistola
hue
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>>160937387
>it contradicts itself in every way
>toyotaro was right all along
>comming up with headcanon and grasping at straws
absolutely SAD
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>>160937560
Yeah but that would never happen so good luck pal
Also canon=/=good, if (IF) that actually happened at most you could say he ruined DB, but denial is meaningless
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>boruto, one piece, jojo, academia, aot all bump faster than dbs
>chads of /a/
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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>>160937387
>this whole post
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>>160937629
Use this instead
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>>160932839
SSG is the best looking form
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>ToP suddenly starts adding toyotaro's fanfic into the canon
>toyofags suddenly come crawling out from their holes after the hakai disaster
we will never get rid of you parasites if the anime keeps fucking up
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>>160937952
>Top-tier:
>Friezachads
>Jobgetaposters
>Toeichads
>Vadosfriends
>Zamasuchads
literally all ot is is reddit
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>>160932839
>>160937936
Good taste bros. Though, I particularly like it on Goku.
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>>160937558
Manga
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>>160938021
Xicor > any ToP design
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>>160937952
That is not how the pasta goes ya dumb newfag
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>>160935112
Goku barely remembered him when they met for the 2nd time in the Red Ribbon arc. All their other meetings were filler.
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>>160938021
>after the hakai disaster
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>>160933562
ftfy
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>>160938021
>it contradicts my headcanon = disaster
The fucking state of toeishills
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>>160937387
even v jump comfirmed at this point.
you can cry as much as you want but at the end of the day the manga will be always toryiama's true vision. Just give it a rest anon dont bother defebding that nonsense that you call anime you're only going to get btfo further.
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>>160938062
Both are great but yeah I agree it looks better on Goku since it makes more obvious it's not just SS hair over again (also Goku's hairstyle is great)
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>>160938221
you might be right, if they don't go the "ultimate" route anyway
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>>160933644
GT considers Movie 13 canon (Dragon Fist, Great Saiyaman 2), Super has basically outright denied movie 13 (Cell's time machine was never taken by Tapion, Great Saiyaman was never active after the beginning of the Buu Saga, denying the later adventures with Great Saiyaman 2 as a side-effect).
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I hope there's more SSG merchan incoming
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>>160937952
>Cusshit is also a TOEIfag
No wonder why all your post are cringe inducing stupidity.
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>Super Pedros will defend this
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>>160938502
Fuck off furfag
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Beach episode when?
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seth the programmer literally seething on discord. kept saying that ssg got absorbed and is now stacked to goku's base.
>apparently not
haha blames toei for the inconsistent writing
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>>160938475
Are you all right, my mexican friend?
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>>160938607
LOOK AT THIS PHOTOGRAPH!
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>>160938607
Holy fuck, super needs a time skip so goten/trunks can age.
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Also can they please make goten/trunks go into time room and force a design change?
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>>160938607
Videl looks cute as fuck

What happened in Super?
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>>160938607
I'm so glad all those shit-tier haircuts are non-canon.
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>>160932839
I liked SSB more aesthetically, but the way Toei has kind of overused and jobberfied the form has made it pretty worn out for me.
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Name something you liked in the TOP

Not included are the recruitment episodes.
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>>160938845
>TOP
?
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>>160938771
Nigga you need your eyes checked. That is the least cute she's ever looked.
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>>160938830
But, they are.
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>>160938845
Android 17 btfoing sailor moons
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>>160937174
>All head canon is equal. Only thing that matters is the source material.
>author head canon
What the fuck is wrong with you
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>>160938916
Explain how that's even possible?
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Am I the only one hoping SSG isn't retconned to having Super Saiyan hair? It being a red base made it pretty unique and the evolution to SSB feel more natural.
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>>160938998
"because I said so"
- author

"because I said so"
- fan

They are the exact same.


If it's not in the source material, it's head canon.
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>>160939027
>the idiot never saw End of Z
You're way worse than any Toeishills, lurk more.
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Who are the worst shitposters in these threads?
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>>160939114
Except an the original author's word holds more meaning than some random fan, spic.
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>>160939027
Actually watch the goddamn show?
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>>160939087
>Am I the only one hoping SSG isn't retconned to having Super Saiyan hair?
You're the only retard who think that's a possibility. SSG with super Saiyan's hair style is the next form, SSG's evolution.
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>>160939114
Hey Author=Fan fag you're still lurking here.
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>>160939179
Then it should have been in the source material.
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>>160939160
people who accuse everyone of being a gohanfag. Just incites shitposting and shitty arguments that lead to nothing. Overall a waste of a post
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>>160939160
Toeishills and caulifla/gohanfalsefaggers.
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>>160930322
Plant monster is GOD tier
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>>160939238
t. gohanfag
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>>160930473
tien is literally an alien
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>>160938998
what he's saying is that authorial intent doesn't matter, which is true
what follows that statement is what he didn't mention or maybe doesn't know, that is the work is inseparable from the author at the same time
in short GT is still worthless either way
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>>160939223
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>>160939372
Is that the tshirt that says tshirt? That's fucking rad.
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>>160939191
>You're the only retard who think that's a possibility. SSG with super Saiyan's hair style is the next form, SSG's evolution.
Toshio was wearing a shirt where SSG had Super Saiyan hair though.
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>>160939387
it says dress shirt
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Reminder that tori said that he likes GT and people should watch it, don't trust GT spics hater
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>>160936067
No no no, you can't just back up now, what the fuck was that Pokemon pic?
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>>160939114
Except the source material literally IS the author's "headcanon"

Thats where it comes from you fucking twat
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>>160939791
And apples come from trees, that doesn't mean you can call woodchips pie.
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>>160939850
That doesnt even make sense
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>>160939917
B comes from A
C comes from A
Therefore B and C are the same

Not my fault your argument is non-sense.
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>>160939293
>author's headcanon
he basically says that anything authors says is equals to any fan's headcanon which is absolute bullshit.
It's his fucking story, his creation, if he ever says "GT is canon" even with glaring plotholes to the source materials if ever happens, it is still canon since the FUCKING CREATOR said so.
>>160939850
Shit example you got there.
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>>160940071
All I'm saying is that verbal retcons are illegitimate and just author head canon. If it isn't in the source material, it doesn't exist.
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>>160939749
That was pure, concentrated Tumblr.
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>>160939954
Another braindamaged idiot, you think comparing apple tree and Author's canon=Fancanon argument is remotely even sensible enough to be compared.
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>>160940108
>it doesn't exist in the source material
>even if the author said it actually exist
WTF!
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>>160936086
>Brianne True form shares the same species as these 3 stooge dancers
HOW WILL BRIANNE FAGS EVER RECOVER!
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>>160933971
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>>160940194
Did alzheimeryama say something you really like that isn't in the mango or anime?
Why are you being deliberately dense?

The authors word is meaningless, the only thing an author can say that can relevance is intent.
If the author says that panel X was intended to mean Y, then panel X means Y and the author just did a shit job at conveying it.
If the author says their intent was for A to be B, but the actual content explicitly denies that, then it isn't so without actual content retconning it.

The content trumps the author in all cases other than ambiguity where there is room for verbal retconning without contradicting the material.
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>>160940108
Except GT was never canon, it's not a retcon.

Do you even know what the words you're using even mean?
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>>160938577
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>>160940422
>officially liscened content isn't legitimate
If toriyama wanted to control what was canon, he shouldn't have given up control.
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>>160940386
Cheers
now i just gotta hope vegeta does not job early
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>>160935017

>Manga over Movies

LMAO toyocucks.
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>>160940462
You're arguing against proven fact dude, its time to stop.

Grats you carried an entire thread with your bait, real trolls still wander these boards apparently.
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>>160940580
Just what is the head canon of toriyama that you're desperately clinging to?
I'm genuinely curious what would motivate a person to be so delusional.
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>still arguing over an outdated form
>anime fags realize that manga is the true vision of dragon ball super
>fai to realize SSWhite Gohan is gonna be the true deal of ToP
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gotenks being relevant when?
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>>160940686
can't even beat base Vegeta
never
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I know some people "Ship" caulifla X goku. But imagine if he did not marrry chi chi. Relativistic stuff/ramifications of gohan/goten not existing aside, that means that the entire series he would have been without a love interest. Imagine how the fans would react if goku was alone the entire franchise but then goes off with a very controversial character that is caulifla.
how would that go in terms of the fan reaction?
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>>160938845
Honestly, nothing.
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>I wonder if Caulifla-san and Kale-san are having as easy of a time as me. Ah, of course they are. They're so strong that it's probably too easy for them. I hope I can keep up with them.
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>>160940709
not canon
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>>160940678
Gohan Best Boy.
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I have officially now stopped caring whatever the hell people say about me. Fuck. The. Dub. The most inaccurate, ruining, damaging, disgraceful, disrespectful dub out there. The dubfags insulting joji yanami have removed the last bit of pity i feel toward dub fans, why do we only see this fanbase defend an innacurate dub? Why don't we see the one peice fanbase cheer on the 4kids dub? Why don't we see the naruto fanbase defend the blade turns into an apple thing? Why is it only DBZ dubfags that we see? People must realise there is not a problem with dubbing, there is a fucking problem with worshipping a dub that vhanges names, personalities, plot points and even the soundtrack (faulconer sucks). I am sick and tired of these retards, i am sick and tired of dubfags whining about "granny goku", they wacth super and all they do is whine about high picthed goku and gohan and claim faulconer is superior and be placed instead. Throughout my life i have always defended the sane dub fans(which i am now doubting their existance) and told people to not generalise all of the dub fans, but this is fucking enough, these people are fucking ruining our way of life, either "normal" dub fans stand up against these fucking psychopaths and try to stop them, or they can get the fuck out of the fanbase . I am so sorry for any ordinary dub fans, i really am, but i have to vent out this rage. Sadly, the dub and its archaic censorship shit is not compatible with the 21st century, like it or not. I excuse myself again, i must now go sacrifice say "kuririn", because I "wish I were japanese". Because kikuchi
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>>160940678
>>anime fags realize that manga is the true vision of dragon ball super
>Consistently retconned to match the anime
>true vision
I'm not too sure about that.
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>>160940678
I kove how ever since jiren got introduced there have only been memes about hom jobbing to all kinds of people.

probably the most unappreciated new introduced character ever.
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How Toei fucked up the timelines so badly?
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>>160940777
Nice headcanon.
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>>160940798
WHOS HE GONNA JOB TO!?
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>>160940804
Because it was based on the works of a man with alzheimers.
You seriously expect it to be temporally competent?
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>>160940804
They can't write for shit
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>>160940569
Toeicucks never quit
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>>160940798
>literally not a single jirenfag alive
you know its bad when the likes of kanzenshuu dont fall for the new big powerhouse guy
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>>160940720
People only ship them because Chichi has become flanderized because Toriyama hates himself. Under your terms, her being shipped officially with Goku would only be accepted by the same breed of fan that enjoys Mary Sue fanfiction. In other words, get that shit out of here!
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>>160940462
>Heroes is canon
>Crossovers are canon
>Goku fusing with the audience is canon
>Vidya are canon
>Why?
>"Author is worthless and his words mean nothing Xdddd gimme (You) plox"
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>>160938845
FINARU
KAMEHAMEHA
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>>160940867

>No argument

I accept your concession
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>>160940848
>>160940872
I feel bad for jiren not his fault that he is a boring grumpy excuse of a character
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>>160940914
>>Heroes is canon
Not yet anon. Be patient after Super ends
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJme7IVFSEw
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>>160940914
The games are canon within themselves, and wherever they don't contradict each other.

The animes are canon in the order of release. Everything is canon until something later proves it isn't.

The movies are canon with the animes and toriyama just forgot about them.

usj things are the least canon.
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>>160940954
I just got here so I don't know what you're arguing about. And go jump in front of a train for spreading this dumb ass concession meme.
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>>160940936
This, only real stand out moment for me so far.
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>>160940872
He's a homosexual lmao bear in full spandex, what's there to like
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>>160940992
who the fuck is the dude with the scythe
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Thank god the Timmy meme is dead.
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>>160940997
>toeifag gets btfo so hard by toyochads that he start damage controlling by calling every db product canon
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>>160939319

The issue is only the cast shot at the end. Just look at how Bra there is significantly bigger than Oolong, while in the chapter itself she's only as big as him.
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>>160941029
>what's there to like
MUH powerlevel but I guess if you aint a sayian no one will care
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>>160941086
The guy got banned
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>>160941049
one of the OC donut steels for the game

I think he's the new villain or something
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what will be his last words before getting erased?
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>>160941134
Then why aren't concessionfags banned?
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>>160941087
It's basically star wars rules.

Anime > ova > movies > games > advertisements/promotions > PSA's > merchandise > data books > manga
That is the true hierarchy.
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>>160941134
Nah, I wasn't.
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>>160940997
You can comprehend the idea of self-contained canon for the video games and yet you can't accept the idea of GT being a simple side story even when the author explicitly states it to be so
Bait of the century or brain damage in need of surgery,I can't tell
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>>160941140
>both are out

Nice job retards, there's no winner, all universes gone
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>>160941161
BE SURE TO SUBSCRIBE TO MY GODTUBE CHANNE-*erased*
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>>160941161
ZOBOOMAFOO
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>>160941170
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>>160941161
>something something zamasu was right lol xd
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>>160941196
Like with like. Until something explicitly over-writes it, it is canon with the other anime. I would even accept an ova that said 'ay lameo differnt timeline' as 100% legitimate. But until it is shown to be non-canon in the anime, it is canon.
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>>160941219
stop shilling your shitty channel geekdom
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>>160941267
shut your mouth bitch you love me
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>>160941161
zeiram
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>>160941322
Independent anon here.
You're a faggot. The picture should show watchmojo.com, autoplay should be off, and the title should be top 10 frieza forms explained.

you're a faggot.
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>>160938845

18 casually destroying people.
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>>160941195
Well why the fuck not?
>>
First he was stronger than SSBx10 Goku in the Champa arc.

Then he was nerfed to SSB Goku level in the rematch and now he's apparently weaker than SSG Goku.

Top kek I wonder how Hitfags feel about this?
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LET ME SEE YOUR AYYY GAME!
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>>160941049
One of the Xeno demons
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>>160941413
>Stronger
>Hit
Toeitards still don't get it.
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>>160941259
So your logic is until you erect a new piece of architecture over cleared land from a demolished building,that building isn't yet demolished because "lol no material contradicts it"
This is your final (You).
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this turns me gay
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Ritual SSG Is the strongest form

Manga SSG is not canon, just as SS KK
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>>160941430
THIS IS IT PRIDE TROOPERS
THE PRINCE WILL SETTLE THIS
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>>160941413
T-toshio said he is going to evolve
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>>160941413

IT'S NOT FAIR
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>>160940992
That video... gave me cancer.
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Just a nitpick. Can someone remind me why Cell has a soul and is in the afterlife?
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>>160938845
17 giving zero fucks to the Precure rejects and their magical powers.
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>>160941413
We're collectively abandoning this series. Goodbye.
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>>160941480
>O O MY ABILITY TO TURN SSG ALL OF A SUDDEN EVEN THO IT HASNT BEEN MENTIONED FOR 3 ARCS

anime is shit.
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>>160941456
I'll wait till freeza actually does something in this arc
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>>160941472
No my argument is that the rubble is there until it is removed.
Your argument is that the rubble magically disappears because the contractor said it's not there anymore.
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>>160941492
>>160941483
>seconds apart
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>>160941413
HE WAS SUPPOSED TO GIVE ME A GOOD FIGHT, BUT HE CAN'T EVEN BEAT DYSPO THE WATERBOY
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>>160939281
No he isn't.

>>160933047
Her skin isn't even "dark", it's the same skin color Saiyans are usually supposed to have, either a "yellowish" color as listed in the Daizenshuus, or a tan color as drawn by Toriyama. Caulifla's older brother is the same skin color as Kale, for example.
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>>160941413
Good, serves the shallow faggots right.
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>>160941413
Did anyone believe for one second he wasn't getting the Tien treatment?
>>
Is everyone abandoning this shithole or is everyone getting banned?
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>>160941598
Please don't suck my cock.
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>>160941456
My favorite new character this arc was kamen rider and I dropped this series in favor of that because some faggots were shilling it here and I had nothing to lose no regrets
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>>160941483
>>160941492
Get this cancer out of my /a/
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>>160941543

>He hasn't realized that there are 5 Saiyans in the ToP

Toyocucks BTFO
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>>160941598
Hey, watchudoin' tonight?
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>>160932987
Cauli is what Toei BEGGED Toriyama to create when the entire fucking net and people who didn't even particularly like DB in the first place had a collective fucking fit over the first apperane of kale in the ORIGINAL Jap OP.

When people had the most obvious EW reaction to it in that world premier the changed that shit but quick.
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>>160941630
Why would they need to use the ritual during the tourney when not all the saiyains are on the same team and even if they team up the end result is one of the others being erased
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>>160941409
I don't know.
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>>160941630
Toei being smart? No way. Goku just gonna remember about god and transform.
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>>160941577

Dont worry, thats what Vegeta is for(job to the main antagonist)
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>>160941688
Don't worry they'll fix it in the dub with the broly voice actor.
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>>160941705

>WHY IS GOKU HELPING HIT IF THEY'RE NOT ON THE SAME TEAM?

I accept your concession
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>>160941630
>Caulifla, Vegeta (FUCKING VEGETA) and Goku being agree with perform the ritual because Hit is jobbing to a rabbit
>when SSB is already stronger than SSG
I love toeishills' delusion.
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>>160938607
>Goten's hair is Yamcha's Super cut

THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
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>>160941413
He was never stronger... he and goku in the same ballpark, hit just has a broken technique

Which goku happened to figure out after watching vegeta fight him and managed to overcome it with some clever transforming

None of this animuonry filler bullshit
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>>160941743
Is said a GOOD fight.
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>>160935321
Why... why couldn't toryama have saved go u for this fateful encounter. But nah, he just had to tie goku up with some slut that he didn't even like.
>>
>hates zamasu for destroying the one alternative timeline
>proceeds to destroy 9 universes

Why is Zeno so autistic?
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>>160938845
The four seconds where I though Hit and Jiren were going to fight.
The moment everyone realized how absofuckingloutley broken the androids actual were and how they were going to be MVPs.

I'm actually dissapointed and sort of detest how this arc has been going.
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>>160941019
No shit. Its barely the start of the tourney. That was a showy opening. We're in a lull right now while mediocre characters are eliminated. Gotta show them fight though to build momentum and drop in cues to audience as to who is strong.
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>>160941744
Nice headcanon.
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>>160941754
I know your b8ing but seriously, if the ToP has the losers erased once their entire Universe team is out and the team with the most members standing when time is up wins, why would they help another saiyain from an opposite team power up like that?
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Leave jiren to me
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>>160941795
>Its barely the start of the tourney.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>BANG BOOM CRASH
That's all it takes for this grizzled convict to break through your window. Why aren't you training right now?
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>>160941808

Because shit writing.

Why did Goku, 17 and 18 try to help Cauli and Kale?
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>>160941543
I know right? And toeipablos are still defending that garbage
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>>160941777
Hit stomped goku so completely that he had to use SSBKKx20 to try and overpower him.
Why? Because he was easily outfighting him and overpowering him.

Only in the manga is he a boring weak as shit generic jobber thug and relies on his time stopping ability completely.
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>>160941808
Nice headcanon.
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>>160941768

>SSB
>Stronger than Ritual SSG

Nice headcanon
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>>160941801
>annoying shy nip mumbling
>mumbling kakarot and then screaming kakarot
It's an improvement.
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>>160941474
Too bad the same didn't happen with his shirt and pants..
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>>160941836
17 and 18 know they can kick their ass later probably
Toei Goku is dumb
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KIll yourselves.
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>>160941529
>Vegeta fanboys must be in extreme pain XD

The irony in that post
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>>160941877
>SSG via ritual is stronger than regular SSG and SSGSS
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>>160941841
Nice headcanon.
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>>160941430
Hes squishy like Botamo.
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Another thread ruined by mangafags
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>>160941558
>making new material for the sole purpose of recertifying GT is the only acceptable way of doing so and is the only thing equal to "clearing the rubble" in your analogy because of my arbitrary standards
I've lost hope
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>>160940750
Look at him, he's beautiful. Isn't Cabba out now?
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>>160941768
inb4 LOL SSB IS WEAKER THAN SSG FUCKING RETARD XD
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>>160941909
Nice headcanon
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>>160941897

Why did Goku teach Cauli how to SS2 ?

Anything could happen
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Reminder that this beautiful son of a bitch WILL destroy Hit and Goku will have to come save him.
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>>160941871
>asspull > clever writing

The state of animufags
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>>160941474
Trunks is basically the best saiyan right
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>>160941936
>not knowing that SSG and SSB are factually the same in terms of strength and flaws
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>>160941909
>Toei QUALITY exists even in the manga
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>>160941959
Nice headcanon.
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>>160941795
A universe is dead, most of the characters with potential to be fun were made into jobbers to play up people everyone hated(u6 saiyajins) the masked fighters from U6 were just a couple of bargain basement namekians instead of humans powerful enough to equal the u6 saiyajins(would have loved to see a young Roshi or cybernetic Yamcha wit a red ribbon army emblem on his gi as their top warriors)
Jiren continue to be a boring grey blob of who gives a fuck.


This shit is half way over and no one who we're supposed to think of as bad ass have any fucking feats worth mentioning and no hype what so ever.
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>>160941975
...Are we talking Future or Present Trunks?
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Pic related, the strongest Earthling. Who later jobbed to a blue reptile demon. Why must he suffer?
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>>160941871
>Only in the manga is he a boring weak as shit generic jobber thug and relies on his time stopping ability completely.

>Anime Hit needs to pull magic timeskip power ups out of his ass to keep up
>But Manga Hit is the one who relies on the timeskip ability

???
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>>160941975
Yes he is
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>>160942023
What happened to that state?
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>>160941920
>anything I dislike isn't canon
WEW, that's not how it works.
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>>160941836
They want to sell cauli and kale to...uh....I swear to god I don't know what audience they think they're going to get with them.
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>>160942027
Toei shills are kind of retarded.
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>>160941871
>gimmick fighter is boring and generic
>"I don't even need gimmicks because MUH IMPROVEMENT makes me 10 times stronger after 5 minutes of sparring" fighter isn't

>the guy which stance is even part of the strategy of his gimmick is a generic thug
>the guy which does that stance because he wants to be cool isn't

>also
>not SSGSS+Kaio-Ken x10 tier = weak ass jobber

Try again, toeidrone.
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>>160941888
thats a little bit too gay
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>>160941979
But thats not true...

That was the whole point of what vegeta was doing there

He used red to conserve stamina and flashed blue for when he attacked for the power boost
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>>160941871
Killing wasn't allowed in Champa's tournament, the timeskip technique is the only thing he had

And it's not the anime where you can use COMPLEX EMOTIONS to pull ugly forms out of your ass every 5 seconds
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>>160942062
>Everything I like is cannon
WEW, that's not how it works
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>>160942084
Fuck off toyocuck
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>>160941588
>3 eyes
>can grow arms
>not an alien
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>>160942051
It's filler.
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>>160942099
i worded my post wrong.
God balanced out the drain of Blue
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Leave the Daishinkan to me, Goku-san!
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Why can't these faggots at Toei make Jiren intimidating? 25 episodes into the arc and he still has barely lifted a finger. No ringouts and that's bullshit. He's the strongest in the tournwment.
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>>160941688
do you have a single fact to back that up
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So, there are 2 kinds of SSG?

Ritual SSG and achieved SSG?
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Reminder that the manga actually did something interesting with Hit's strange mannerisms. Where in which Hit was strategically hiding his movements and his hands to avoid Goku seeing his tells. This also made Goku predicting Hits timeskip more believable since he was given a frame of reference for when Hit was going to use his time powers. Unlike the anime where Goku is omniscience or some shit. I mean there was still some my powerlevel>yours but it was still trying to add a strategic element to the fight which has me interested in Toyotaro's version of next tourney.

In the anime he fights with his hands in his pocket because of his generic imma look down on you personality. His shitty "improvement" made his fight boring and repetitive (the looped animation didn't help)
Goku found a way to predict Hit's timeskip movements
Hit: nuh uh I improve over that
Goku used Kaioken to multiply his stats and become "faster than time"
Hit: nuh uh I improve over that
Like some playground game of pretend. Boring as shit.

Also Goku predicting Hit's timeskip in the anime made no sense since Hit could actually stop time. So why would Goku predicting Hit help him any?

Where as in the manga Hit's timeskip is exactly as the name implies.
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>>160941456
>freeza didn't get to meet buu
>limit breaker is just ssg2
will super ever be anything besides disappointing?
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>>160942092
This

They say Manga Hit is coldsteel when Anime Hit is the one using that shit stance just to look "badass"
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>>160942077
To raging horny sick people like me who want to see more badass Saiyans [spoilers]with tits.
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>>160942110
Everything that is official is canon until something else official overwrites it or contradicts it.
An authors word is not official on its own. It need to manifest in content to be part of the canon.

See: >>160937560
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>>160942186
Nice headcanon
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>>160942177
No, that's just a retarded headcanon because people can't deal with SSGSS being stronger than SSG.
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>>160942188
Frieza not meeting Buu is good.
If Buu sees him he will think hes a chocolate wrapper in gold and eat him
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>>160942188

No, Limit Break is clearly different from SSG because it has all these auric colors in it.

Remember the friendship circle?
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>>160941819
>80 fighters
>less than 20 eliminated
There's at least 75% more to go. And the fights will only get longer as the numbers dwindle.
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>>160942199
>forgot the final "[/spoiler]"
I had one job...
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>>160942177
No, just some faggot tier trollin
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>>160942138
So Krillin and Chaozu are aliens because they lack noses?
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>>160942234
look at that smug prince
fighting a goku and beating his ass mustve been a dream come true
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>>160942283
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>>160942062
>Anon:"Toriyama:"GT is like side story, I rike (raffing)""
>"Y-Y-YOU JUST DON'T LIKE GT FUCK OF YOUR DELUSIONAL"
WEW
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Who's stronger Gohan or Caulifla?
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>>160942345
Gohan. fuck you think.
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>>160942220
>An authors word is not official on its own. It need to manifest in content to be part of the canon.
Says you?
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>>160942332
until the events of super prohibit both from being canon, both are canon.
Hero's journey is canon until its declared not to be.
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>>160930322
Getting targeted by tentacles lowers your power level. Just like in my hentai
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>>160942345
ALL memes and shitposting aside, if you put a gun to my face and asked me, I would say gohan.

If she gets a new/another form it could tip the scales in her favor
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>a completed SSGSS
>an immortal SS Rosé
>a SS God-Blue

Which one's your favourite?
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>>160942345
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>>160942357
>fuck you think.

Nigga detected.
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>>160942168
He is monaka
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>>160942345
Even as a Cauliflafag, I'd say Gohan. His Mystic form is clearly LEAGUES above SSJ2 and on par with (or even above) SSJ3. Maybe Caulifla will be on even footing once she reaches SSJ3.
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>>160942304
That's funny
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>>160942402
Red = Blue > Rose
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>>160941529
Hit who had no need to train ever in his life was still able to be SSJG tier when powering up to the max. These faggots just want everything to be powered up for no reason or explanation. Deepthroating the shaft of Toei everytime a character asspulls improvement.
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>>160942402
>those flames

Does that mean Merged Zamasu's aura is pink?
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>>160938845
Every second when Caulifla is on screen
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>>160942438
Toyo is based
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>>160942345
Unless she gets 20 new forms by the end, Gohan
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>>160942380
And at what point do the contradictions Super makes against GT become so stark that GT cannot exist in the canon? Who gets to decide when it comes to that point? You I presume, since Toriyama can't possible do anything to the canon by his own word of mouth?
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>>160942487
>God becomes a barbarian and gets what he deserve
SUPER POTTERY GOD
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>>160942249
>he doesn't know
Look behind the chocolate anon. There's even a shirt to back it up
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>>160942521
*possibly
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>>160942521
When time progresses past the beginning of GT an/or uub is introduced.
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>>160942534

Except.. that's not Limit Breaker. That's the SSG form Goku uses in 104, as foreshadowed by Toshio on twitter.
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>>160942534
The chocolate is the new form anon
Thats why Buu was excluded from the tourney
Cannot have you teammates eating you
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>>160942199
I like female Saiyans too but he ones we got could have been better
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>*waiter brings 18 gyozas to Beerus*
>"There were once 18 universes but the kinf og all got slightly agitated so..."
>*Beerus swallows 6 gyozas at once and now there is only 12 of them*
>"Poof!"

BRAVO TOYO
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>>160942077
Waifufags.
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>>160942283
>hair color transformations in a black and white manga

Mangafags are literally eating shit
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>>160942610
They all look like men
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Wait people here unironically think the tournament is almost over
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>>160942487
>le epic "He Who Fights Monsters" cliche
>this is what Toyopedros believe is good character development

The only ones better in the manga than in the anime are Vegeta and Zeno-sama. Everybody else is just bland, with Zamasu being the worst offender. His manga version is so boring.
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>>160942561
And you just decided that. Even if it seems/is perfectly logical, you made that decision. Thanks for proving my point.
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>>160942521
It just needs to contradict in a way that can't be resolved with 'something happened offscreen that is within the bounds already present in the canon'.
So the black star dragonballs need to be introduced, time needs to pass beyond the begining of GT, the unexplained time ring needs to be explained as causing GT, uub needs to be introduced, zeno needs to erase someone present in GT, etc
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>>160942668
One in the middle has tits
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>>160942678
The fact that you might be seriously saying this scares me.
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>>160942610
Just forget about it, anon. We will never get good canon female saiyans. Toriyama's retardness and laziness ruins any possibility of that happening.
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>>160942610
I'll reserve judgment. We hardly know them. Maybe once we see more of Caulifla's gang and their exploits, and Kale evolves past her emotional dependence, they'll become easier to root for. We all know DBS isn't just going to toss aside fresh new Saiyans that it had introduced.
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>>160942577
>ssg now has super saiyan hair because reasons and limit breaker having a red aura in the opening is just a coincidence
I hope you're right anon. I really do
>>
Heres a thought. Super Saiyan is monkey form converted to unbridled aura, strength, reflexes, whatever. That's why we've never seen a tailed super saiyan.
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>>160942283

>Winning as red
>Losing as blue
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>>160942754

Limit Breaker also has blue, magenta and golden auras. Seriously, did you even pay attention to the key visual at all?
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>>160942693
"an event needs to occur that can not logically be explained to be consistent with the presented story due to new events. Here are some examples of events that could not be logically explained by both series."
"REEEEEEEEEE, you came up with a specific example of your logic, so your logic isn't valid becuase I declared it subjective."

WEW WEW WEW WEW WEW
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>tfw I'm a (Future) Gohanfag

I just want him to be in Dragon Ball fighter Z as a 1 armed combatant....
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>>160942577
>That's the SSG form Goku uses in 104, as foreshadowed by Toshio on twitter.
>104

Isn't it a bit too soon for that? If he doesn't save it for his fight against Jiren then chances are this new form won't be enough.
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>>160941964
All of Super is repleat with nonsensical and even fucking outright stupid asspulls.

Hit simply being so fucking good and so powerful that he's never had to try till his most potent instant kill weapons were taken from him is good.
Him realizing that he couldn't power up like goku and the rest of those people and had to rely on getting stronger by skill alone is good and fucking refreshing.
Toei created a character BY SHEER FUCKING ACCIDENT that was in every way the kind of martial artist that Toriyama liked back in the DB saga.

And they tossed him out for grey blob AM knockoff and dyke saiyajins.
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>>160942283
I wish i could be as smug
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>>160942784
Read the fucking manga
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>>160942864
>had to rely on getting stronger by skill alone
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>160942027
Hit in the manga depends on the time skip ability to do anything.

Hit in the fucking anime fought goku to a standstill and still had more then enough energy to keep fighting him WITHOUT the timeskip.

Are you fucking stupid?
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>>160942846

>Isn't it a bit too soon for that?

Animedia magazine clearly says "Super Saiyan God" on its description of ep104.

If he doesn't save it for his fight against Jiren, then it's not his new form.

His new form will come about when something terrible happens, i.e. new villain terrible.
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>>160942914
>Hit in the fucking anime fought goku to a standstill
Using? His timeskip you fucking retard.
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>>160942752
Ye-yeah. That's never happened before.
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>>160942092
>>the guy which stance is even part of the strategy of his gimmick is a generic thug
The strategy is interesting, but ultimately it's stupid.

>>the guy which does that stance because he wants to be cool isn't
>>also
Why does Whis stand with his hand behind his back most times? Is it part of some strategy?

>>not SSGSS+Kaio-Ken x10 tier = weak ass jobber
Yes, because he fucking depended on the timeskip powers to fight. He didn't really fight goku equally and push him into a corner.
I don't know how many times I can say it.
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>>160942678
>complains about cliches
>in dragon ball
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>>160942946
>His new form will come about when something terrible happens, i.e. new villain terrible.

But what kind of terrifying villain could even appear when the Gods of Destructions, The Angels, The Grand Priest and not one but TWO Zeno-sama are watching? I honestly can't see anyone appearing out of nowhere right now without it being kinda contrived. There is no way any villain could possibly do anything evil with so many OP as hell characters watching.
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>>160943011
>All of these no arguments
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>>160942174
Nigga.
Cauli didn't fucking EXIST until they caught wind of how much people DID NOT LIKE SHEBROLY.

She was litterally pulled out of toei's ass to be the first offical super saiyajin because they realized that they fucked huge and no one was going to like or be amused by protokale.
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>>160942784
He's switching from red to blue at the moment he attacks so blue doesn't get weaker. SSB is still stronger.
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>>160943037
Digimon did it
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>>160942460
Frieza became SSJG tier by training for less then 4 months.
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>>160943063
Do you have any proof of this, or are you pulling it outta' your ass?
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>>160943063
do you have a single fact to back that up
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>>160943030
>conceding the anime version is superior

THANK YOU. About time someone with sense showed up in these threads. Why Toyotaro decided to make this cliche play is beyond me, it is so tiresome to see it again after seeing it for the 17984893718th time.
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>>160943162
>the anime version is superior
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>>160942798
>so your logic isn't valid becuase I declared it subjective
Did I say that? No. I was saying that the notion that you are the one whose standards should be appealed to and abided by instead of Toriyama's word, is absurd and illogical. Your logic about "scenarios in which GT would prove to be illogical and can't exist" is sound, but "GT can't be non-canon untill the condition s I propose are met" is not. You're right on one level, but you act like that makes you right about everything and you can just misinterpret my logic too just because
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>>160943037

>GoDs

Most will be gone by the time this new villain appears, only one who remains would be Beerus. Also, Heroes showcased all GoDs before they do something cool, so it probably means they will be shafted soon.

>Angels, GP and Zenos

This villain could easily have a mechanism to render them useless.

Also, friendship circle foreshadowing Ki transfer.
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>>160942900
Yeah.
Never actually fought anyone as strong as him before.
Realized that he had to actually try and perfect his techniques rather then hold back and blunt his ki
Actually tried to fight without being able to insta kill someone for the first time in his life
Realizes he likes fighting and is pretty good at it
Decides to push himself by using his power better and getting stronger from that.

>>160942948
Are you fucking dumb.
He fought him in hand to hand combat. He didn't depend on the time skip to do fucking anything.
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>>160943162
>Toeishill seething because the anime doesn't have pottery even a fraction as good as the manga
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>>160943248
>This villain could easily have a mechanism to render them useless.

Please be a Makaioshin, Please be a Makaioshin, Please be a Makaioshin.
>>
am i the only one unironically enjoying the ToP? there is too much fodder but it had some nice character moments too, i just hope theres a big fight soon...
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MFW caulifla gets a brand new form that no one has ever seen before
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>>160943146
>>160943161
Repeat after me.

The cauli character did not exist until WELL AFTER the bad reviews form Protokale came in.

Show me three pictures or even mentions of cauli before protokale was introduced.

Just fucking three.
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>>160943214
There are two positions, either the author is supreme or the work is supreme.
One position makes all of the works worthless until all the authors die and they are revised to be inline with the words of the author.
The other makes the authors words meaningless and lets the series be enjoyed as it is released.
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A moment of silence for Sidra, the based God of Destruction cursed with incompetent colleagues and fighters. Even when the inhabitants of his universe were considered the weakest, he tried his best to only erase evildoers. Even in the face of erasure from existence, he remained dignified, and did not beg or plead.

Sidra, you may have been erased, but you're still based. Rest in peace.
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>>160935945
He wasn't serious. He just did that to confirm what he thought: Even GoDs aren't above manipulation.
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>>160942785
>he thinks limit breaker is going to have a rainbow aura
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>>160942610
>red hair

Halfbreed detected.
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>>160943030
Dragon Ball is the trailblazing template-setting anime so if it's warranted somewhere it's here
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>>160943323
Damn it, give me proof. I want to believe that Female Broly went over like a lead balloon with the gooks and that Caulifla was Toei trying to cover their asses. But give me proof. Give a link to the Japs reacting negatively because I can't find a video that corroborates this.
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>>160943332
honestly sidra seems like a chill dude, just not fit for a job like GoD
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>>160943323
Her name leaked long before Kale's.
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>>160943323
do you have a single fact to back that up
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>>160942800
Literally a shorter Yamcha but with one arm and lighter skin.
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>>160943331
...but GT isn't a work of the author? So where's the issue?
Also
>absolutes
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>>160943332
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>>160943279
I don't even like Toei, especially not after how this arc is going. I just hate the "He Who Fights Monsters" cliche. It is just so shallow and simple, it has no real thought put into it. Like the author wasn't even trying to write a fallen villain, he just took one of the easiest cliches to work with. I'll admit anime Zamasu isn't really a great character or anything, but I prefer what they tried to do with him in the anime than in the manga. At least his ningen-hating autism was somewhat enjoyable in the anime, in the manga he was simply impossible to enjoy and boring in any possible way like a Babaris.
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>>160943063
>they caught wind of how much people DID NOT LIKE SHEBROLY.
Everyone was hype over U6 girl Legendary Super Saiyan nigga. Even people here. Hate didn't start coming in until she was a lesbian kawaii ugu don't take my onee-san autist.
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>>160943308
I really wish Alex Jones was black now. Imagine the shit he normally says but with the added ham of a stereotypical black preacher.
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>>160943162
>posts "dragon ball"
>thinks I'm just talking about Super

Toeishills can't be this retarded, can't they?
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>>160943476
This is actually kind of clever.
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>>160942678
Cliches aren't bad when they're done right. Zamasu becoming exactly what he despised in the barbarians was done well because it wasn't tossed right in your fucking face. I never even noticed it until I went back and read the barbarian chapter because of how subtle it was. It's perfectly fine.
>Everybody else is just bland, with Zamasu being the worst offender.
His personality and fights are far more entertaining in the manga. Fuck you on about?
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>>160943483
You realize that all of those pictures were pieced together, right? Like, the only way you'd basically read that "He who yada yada" cliche in is if you look at that particular compilation, right?
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>>160942487

really nice post. Good job.
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>>160943456
>...but GT isn't a work of the author?
Well played.
Half of the works of tolkien weren't his own words, but they're still part of the lotr canon.

The only scenario where toriyama's word means anything regarding canon:
If toyiyama made a dragonball fan series under a pseudonym, it would be non-canon, unless he said 'psych I was lying, I wrote this and it is part of the canon'


>>absolutes
You got a problem with autistic siths?
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Do you guys think Vegeta will ever wish for immortality or the revival of U7's Saiyans? Shit, if I was Beerus, I'd have taken care of that as soon as I saw SSG. Gotta get that mortal level up.
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>>160943483
>I don't even like Toei
Sure anon sure, keep at it for that pay check.
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>>160942754

I believe that the new form will be SSG + Kaioken x 10 or whatever
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Any pedros that just got cucked by Regular Show on?
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>>160943646
>Gotta get that mortal level up.
Has mortal level been confirmed to be power level though?
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>>160943616
Yes, anon. I still don't quite get what did you mean by this. What are you implying?
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>>160943483
>all those buzzwords
Holy shit
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Reminder that this is the best DBS fight so far
http://imgur.com/a/Jiufw
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>>160943744
>>160943744
>>160943744
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>>160930322

honestly I think they're intentionally fucking with power levels just to piss everyone off. Here's some more shit I could see them doing:

>gohan forgets to train and now gets beaten up by a regular human on his way home from work
>Goku struggles to lift 1 ton boulders in his base form
>Roshi trains for 4 months and now fights evenly with SSB Goku
>fish and dinosaurs can now tank SSBKK Kamehameha's
>Trunks and Goten lose a fight to poachers and/or wild animals
>Dyspo beats Hit, but Jobs to android 17
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>>160943710
I'm implying that you are, basically, an idiot, retroactively complaining about a cliche you didn't even know about until it was thrown in your face..
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Anyone else have a terrible day?

I don't even have the energy to shitpost or falseflag tonight... I'm just done.
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>>160943694

and remember that SSG can heal himself so basically he can stand any amount of physical suffering coming from the kaioken x10, 100 or 100000000000000000
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>>160943646
>Vegeta actually wins
>as Goku is about wish for Frieza to live Vegeta guts him
>FUCK THAT, WHIS TELL THIS LIZARD TO GIVE ME ETERNAL LIFE
>Ekum Bokum Ekum Bokum
>Immortal Vegata (Awoken) is born
PRINCED
R
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N
C
E
D
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>>160943643
>Half of the works of tolkien weren't his own words, but they're still part of the lotr canon.
Only because of his approval of the acceptance into the canon are those parts of LotR even in the story. Tolkien's/Toriyama's words are approval and can affect the canon,with or without affecting the works.
>The only scenario where toriyama's word means anything regarding canon...
So Toriyama can use his own words to change the canon of his work if new content is his own work, but has no say in the canonicity of shit about his own work unless he addresses it by continuing his work "because reasons"
>You got a problem with autistic siths?
And what if I do?
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>>160943784
Okay, then. I just thought you were implying something more than just another cliche in these threads and wanted to confirm. Thank you, anon.
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>>160943800
Lack of energy is fine, anon. This world can be tiresome and we aren't Androids. I wish you a good night.
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>>160943982
>And what if I do?
It provides me insight into your motivations.

>because reasons
Because I dislike the alternative interpretation of canon-ness where the work is meaningless and the 'true' story requires you to know everything the author has ever said sorted chronologically.
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>>160943763
>>Dyspo beats Hit, but Jobs to android 17
what?
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>>160944116
What did you mean by this?
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Would current goku and vegeta in their base forms be strong enough to defeat fat buu?
Im sorry for being a powerlevel faggot but I wanna know where their base forms lie
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>>160944219
Base Goku and Vegeta are weaker than Namek-Freeza. Saiyan beyond god is no longer canon.
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>>160944219
>Would current goku and vegeta in their base forms be strong enough to defeat fat buu?

Depends on who is writing the episode.
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>>160944212
the "jobs to 17" part
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>>160944088
So you're just too lazy to keep up with Toriyama's major statements concerning things about the series and its canon then before you try and discuss it with someone. Too lazy to know he didn't even write any of GT?
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>>160938221
More accurate version, not counting Kaioken+SSB.
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