How did Saber survive against Lancer's Gae Bolg's

Read the vn secondary. They explain there

>>160809720
some people just dont like VNs anon

>>160809733
sabers +luck made here evade it

It hits 100% of the time, except it doesn't because there's a luck check.

Plot Armor

As always, Luck is the best stat.
This is also why Lancer is the class of jobbers.

>>160809644
Gae Bolg works by locking the targets fate, but Sabers luck allowed her to slightly alter her fate.
However, that was because Shirou was her master (Rin would've worked too). Had it been Kerry, she would have died.

>>160809644
A lucky dice roll.

>>160809644
literal plot armor

>Dice roll
Are you telling me that the whole Holy Grail War is just a very elaborate D&D campaing?

>>160810105
But in every game, luck sucks. Well except in fallout new vegas as you can get rich just by gambling.

>>160809733
Then don't ask stupid questions here, faggot.

Saber has a high rank in luck, A-rank Instinct that basically acts as precognition, and her legend is also more famous.

>>160810232
Pretty much.

>>160810232
You realized it only now? I thought that people talking in universe about battle stats and power in terms of fucking numbers made it pretty obvious.

>>160809644
It didn't miss her heart, but her luck let her make the blow non-fatal grazing hit, but still a hit.
"No Miss" doesn't actually mean "Sure Kill".

Basically see it like like dart board, GAY BULGE guarantees that it will hit the board, but it might still hit the very edge of the board so you only get 1 point rather then BULLSEYE EVERY TIME, Sabers luck made the attack resolve as something she could still survive just barely, if Lancer had kept going she wouldn't have survived.

At least if i remember shit right, was while since i read Fate//SN.

>>160809644
She wears plot armor.


Also
>luck E
>hitting anything that isn't mob character

>>160809865
Not really 100%. With Gay Bulge causality is changed so that the spear is fated to hit the heart no matter where it's swung to, but luck is literally stated as a heroes innate or god given ability to defy fated or destined events.
The true tsubamegaeshi is different in that it doesn't reverse causality or any bullshit. It's just a perfect technique that is inescapable given that the conditions are perfect.

>>160810322
Weren't stats supposed to be the way Shirou saw servants stats and not an universal measurement ? That in essence every Master visualized Servants capabilities in a different way ?

I guess they did away with that concept as soon as Fate started getting spin-offs to not lose the fans and allow for powerlevel discussions.
I wish they didn't, would have been fun seeing people arguing about different measurements for each work.

Which Non-Grand Servants are the strongest? It's hard to determine since Archer is apparently weak but he basically murders everyone, Gil is apparently super strong but jobs constantly, all of the servants in Zero aside from Caster/Assassin are powerful...

Which ones are "Strong"?

>>160810827
The ones who have rank A++ plot armor

>>160810640
Zouken directly mentions servant parameters in zero.

>>160810827
In Fate it's a bit pointless to talk about powerlevel since fights are incredibly context dependent.
And all the spin-off, including FGO, have been raising the powerlevel so much and pumping out so many servants that coming up with an answer is difficult.

>>160810827
In terms of "strongest, world-class heroes," it corresponds directly with their fame or antiquity. The very strongest heroes are all either incredibly famous (Hercules, King Arthur) or extremely ancient (Gilgamesh). Heroes who are the paragons of their respective countries (Vlad, Ramses II, Cu Chulainn) also tend to be quite strong, especially if summoned in their country of origin.

>Archer is apparently weak but he basically murders everyone

EMIYA is a skillful hero rather than a strong one. He does a good job making up for his deficiencies, but he honestly is not a match for any truly first-class hero except for Gilgamesh.

>Gil is apparently super strong but jobs constantly

That's because of his hubris rather than a deficiency of power.

>>160809644
Bad writing

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>>160809791
so, literally plot armor?

why didnt saber just attack during the multiple minute charge up

>>160809644
Plot armor

>>160809644
she wouldn't die even if that kills her

>>160809644
It's called Plot Armor

>>160809644
She used her mystic eyes of death perception to cut through the concept of death, making her immortal.

>>160809644
Make up the rules as you go. Make a single hit killing blow? Nah, not really. That would be too convenient.

>>160809791
>Noble phantasm rewrites probability in the universe so that your heart will be pierced
>Saber survives because she has good stats

That's fucking stupid.

>>160813953
Saber is the main character.

>>160813953
Welcome to the Nasuverse.

>>160809644
So Lancer can literally oneshot every single other character but is too unlucky/arrogant to use it every time?

Also Saber is shit.

>>160813953
They just couldn't kill saber at that point

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Is there any route in which Lancer doesnt step on the rake and die?

>Holy Grail War
>Nobody gives a shit about the holy grail itself
Wow, nice writing you got there Nasu

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>>160814074

Just jump back, if he prepare his np. Range : 4 meters.

And if he use his thrown version, just use a barrier NP, or overpower the lance by using a blast on it, (just like Arturia excalibur destroyed iskander chariot).

>>160809791
Lame as fuck

>>160814177
Anorexia

>>160813953
The status screen literally says that Luck is the ability to change fate. So Gae Bolg literally touched/grazed her heart but didn't pierce the heart.

>>160814074
Kotomine used a command seal to stop him from fighting any servant all out after cucking him from a stronger master

>>160814828
Emiya had to use a shield with anti-projectile concept and even then it passed through all the Layers. And he even confirmed it to basically surpass gungnir now

>>160815163
Don't forget his np is ranked down.

I am sure you can find heroes with better shield than rho-aius.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mythological_objects#Shields

And Mash shield can probably counter Lancer throw gb.

>>160813953
Luck = plot armor

Lancer has no plot armor. Saber does

>>160809644
E rank luck vs A+ rank luck

>>160809644
Gae Bolg's effectiveness depends on the opponents luck. Anyone with B or A will be okay. C not so sure about, below that, you're fucked. Saber also has the 'instinct' skill which also helped.

>Which Non-Grand Servants are the strongest?
Gilgamesh, Karna, Achilles are top-tier servants.

>>160816195
I wonder how strong is archer Herakles.

Not archer human herakles, but Archer god hand herakles with the lazer bow.

>>160817128
Alcides is powered by Ow The Edge so Archer Herakles should be bellow that.

>>160817312
Being powered by the Angry Manjew guarantees your loss

It's explained in the VN

>>160809644
Lancer rolled a D20 and got a 1

>>160809644
Nasu's hack writing.

>>160817312

He get Avenger skill (he gain mana when receiving damage ?).
But independant action is nerfed from B to C.
And bravery from A+ to E.

Not sure if he get stronger with that.

>>160817818
>numbers
>meaning anything
He's evil which means he'll lose even harder than as a Berserker