Why do the Japanese treat animators like shit? Why won't

Japanese people are robots

>>160676116
Because the yakuzas who own the animation company need the money for they yakuza things, d´uh.

>>160676116
>why are the eastern jews total jews?
Because they are jews?
What are you trying to get at?

>>160676236
There are no longer yakuzas except for a fistful of old men playing real state tycoon.
Time and Steven Seagal ended them.

Animation is a particularly thankless field to work in worldwide, it's par for the course that Japan is harder on animators because anime is basically mass-produced weaponized autism and they look down on it as an art form.

>>160676116
Because that drives up cost.

Lot of animators, easy to replace them, most studios don't have much to start with.


>>160678265
Japan is one of the few countries that doesn't look down on animation.

>>160678324
They don't look down on the craft, and it's true that the best animators are treated with the utmost respect, but everyone else? the nameless inbetweeners? they feed on scraps.

>>160676116
Too many animators and not enough income.

The anime industry is like a poor family with lots of kids.

>>160678508
And I agree with that, I just said that they do not look down on it as art form.

>>160676116
Japanese animators are basically the QA testers of Japan.

One of the crappest lowest-paying jobs in existence that still gets flooded with applicants due to them wanting to get into their dream industry despite the fact there is extremely little chance of upward mobility from that position.

>>160676116
Because the bulk of (aspiring) animators are autists underselling themselves. They just want to make a living off drawing cute girls, even if that means being treated like shit.

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>>160676116
>mfw I am going into this field fully prepared to live off breadcrumbs for the rest of my life
Thank god I don't live in Asia.

>>160676116

Supply and demand.

Don't get into a field where people are willing to work for scraps because it's their passion and expect a good wage.

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There are three factors
>Japan has shitty workculture
>Lack of laws barring shit treatment or lax in reinforcement
>Japan is full of animators
>Demand for animators is low

More importantly, animators arent capable of demanding better conditions either due to...
A: Lack of organization aka unions
B: Oversupply aka youre replaceable with low cost and time
C: Majority of animators are willing to work with shit conditions

Its supply and demand 101

>>160676116
is this a cry for help?

>>160678324
Nigga, average animator in US has a better job than someone in Japan

>>160679535
The average animator in the US has their job outsourced to cheap Korean studios.

>>160680444
I can't imagine Korean studios being much better.mi think the industry is planning on switching to India

>>160676116
Why should they pay more when people are willing to work for shit pay?

>>160676116
Because of a Japanese work-ethic that is pretty bad for individuals, also capitalism without enough regulations.
After all it would only take one strike of all animators to change this problem over night, of course that´s something that will never happen.

>>160676116
Because you pirate anime
Why do you treat animators like shit?

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>>160676116
Blame him

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>anime working conditions are so bad people are now sneaking messages out like it's a chinese sweatshop

If the animators weren't lazy uneducated art school trash then they'd be the producers and executives instead of low skilled cucks. Maybe if they proved their worth beyond shitty high school tier sketches they'd be pulling themselves up by the bootstraps and finding actual jobs.

Why the fuck does a cartoonist need more than $10/hr?

>>160676116
Japan has piss poor labor protection laws, allowing companies to treat their employees like human cattle. This is why some regulation is needed to keep capitalist excesses in check.

>>160676116
Because they work for low wages. It's called the job market for a reason.

If animators are easily replaceable and aren't given much value, how does a newcomer rise to the status of a legendary animator like Yoshinari? Since all flashy scenes are given to big name animators, how can they prove themselves?

>>160681496
Smells like an obvious fake.

>>160681935
*50 yuan has been deposited into your account

>>160681496
>World Human Right Organization
what's that supposed to be, like the internet police?

>>160681624
agreed. mixed systems always work best. anyone who's far right/far left is a nutcase

>>160678198
>Steven Seagal ended them
rer

>>160676116
because if you complain your job will be outsourced to Korea if you're lucky, or to Indonesia or the Philippines if you're unlucky

>>160679426
But anon, how will mediocre western art students fulfill their dreams of working in shit conditions in Japan for pennies? If they get hired at all for being gaijins, that is.

>>160681496
>chinks can into cursive
>chinks CAN into fucking CURSIVE

What next?
Am I to believe Russians can speak to each other in proper English like a professional American intelligence officer working in Langley?

>>160679535
There are no "animators" in the US. There are writers and story boarders who hand their work to Korea and Japan to get it animated.

>>160676116
it's not about how some people treat other people, it's about supply and demand.

>>160681496
Even the grammar mistakes and typos seem fake and too spread out to be realistic.

foreigners with no experience should not commentate on how their work environment has optimized over the course of decades

>>160684406
There are many animators, and most live their lives as freelancers.

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>>160684502
>japanese work environment
>optimized

lemme just take a 3 hour nap at my desk because my boss is busy sexting his mistress

Because the anime market is barely profitable garbage.

>>160684502
>optimized
How can a human concentrate as much retardation into a statement as you have? Teach us.

>>160684652

Every time I read about Japanese working times I become happy that I wasn't born there

>>160684741
http://www.kalzumeus.com/2014/11/07/doing-business-in-japan/

>>160684741
If I was born Japanese, I would probably have become a hikki or one of those school roof suicide students. Growing up I was very noncomformist/defiant and questioned everything people told me to do/be. I don't think that attitude would get me very far there.

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>>160684775

>The salaryman/employer relationship is best characterized as “You swear yourself to us, body and soul, and in return we will isolate you from all risks.”
>The employee hereby promises the company: Your first obligation, in all things, will be to your company. You will work incredibly hard (90+ hour weeks barely even occasion comment) on their behalf. The company can ask you to head to a foreign office for three years without your wife and child beginning tomorrow, and you will be expected to say “Sure thing, when does my flight leave?” or accept that your career advancement is functionally over.

Borderline Faustian bargain

>>160680955
American companies can afford Koreans and are willing to work with them.
Japanese companies on the other hand have to hire cheaper Malaysians because they cannot meet their obligations to air the episodes on time.

>>160684656
It's actually very profitable. It's just that the money doesn't trickle down to the ones who make the product.
All the money goes to the ones who paid for it.

As it should be. Silly animators. They are easily replaced, and they know it. That's why they'll have to keep working till they fall sick.

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>>160684775

>You might imagine that you heard a supervisor tell a young lady in the office “Hey, you’re 30 and aging out of the marriage market, plus I hear you’re dating someone who is not one of my employees, so you might want to think about moving on soon.”, but that would be radioactively illegal, since Japanese employment discrimination laws are approximately equivalent to those in the US. A first-rate Japanese company would certainly never do anything illegal, and a proper Japanese salaryman would never bring his company into disrepute by saying obviously untrue things like the company is systematically engaged in illegal practices. So your ears must be deceiving you. Pesky ears.

This article's a goldmine

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>>160685032
I probably would have joined one of those left terrorist groups and started kidnapping executives for ransom, just out of sheer rage.

>>160684373
With Trump, yes, you can.

>>160681496
>15 hour work days
>no saturday or sunday off

Isn't this exactly what conservatives in the west want? And if you don't like it you can quit and starve in the streets....

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>>160681935
>>160684207
>>160684373
>>160684464
Didn't know the CIDF had a 4chan division. Go fuck yourselves.

>>160687789
lol that's his own fault
Chinese fuck over outsiders (whites, blacks) because they think they can. That's the norm. Fucking retard.

Anyways, outside of doing business, most Chinese are nice towards foreigners because they see them as those poor souls lost in another country. They treat them better than their own people in that regard.

>>160676116
Holy shit what is this from? Reminds me of that woman who found a help letter from a chink worker sewn into her new jeans

>>160676116
Because they can

>>160687680
its how liberals in hollywood treat their animators

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>>160679242
>I will be payed (slightly) better yet produce worse work than my nipponese counterparts
>when I'm stuck on a souless cash grab show by the higher ups it'll be drawing some calarts adventure time or steven universe knockoff instead of bouncing titties

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>>160684373
>that
>cursive
god what do they teach you kids these days

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>>160687789

>>160678198
>Steven Seagal ended them.

Thank you based Steven Seagal. He was not the hero we wanted, but he was the hero we needed.

>>160676116
Because despite piss-poor wages and working conditions they still take the job because they're dime-a-dozen otaku who refuse to do anything else with their lives.

>>160690571
Makes sense, 4chan isn't banned there for whatever reason.

Most of the anime popular here on /a/ are midnight anime shows which are not well-respected in Japan. Hikki-neets and otaku are the main fanbase for these types of shows and they are considered outcasts by mainstream Japanese. If most anime is not highly regarded it's not surprising that most animators are poorly paid.

>>160690327
Everything that is being watched on /a/ is a soulless cash grab show dictated by fat rich producers that can't stop laughing at those dumb otaku.
The best part is, the otaku aren't even happy doing it, yet still must suck producer dicks, lest they want to be out of a job, which for those otaku losers in Japan means suicide.

>>160691340
I know, but instead of at least getting to draw the dumb fanservice these shows come with I'm stuck drawing westshit that's so sterile they've taken to giving existing characters mastectomies

>>160691419
Don't worry. You'll never be hired at all, but you can still make tons of money drawing furry porn.

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>>160691541
on some level I'm aware, but I gotta try

Most animation is exported in Japan, you're doing a job that any 3rd rate lesser-Asian people can do.
It's the equivalent of being a factory worker in the west.

>>160681418
What did he do again? Something about setting the standard for how studios get fucked in terms of payment?

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>>160684373
>he considers that cursive
You absolute plebeian.

>>160692628
No. Even worse. He paid for all the anime out of his own pocket.

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>>160685104
>isolate you from all risks
Just a tangential thought, but with respect to anime and manga, this does explain the situation of children (high school/college students) living alone in their own apartments while attending school and not necessarily working full-time. Also explains parents being away for long periods of time and also explains things like how Kobayashi was able to just upgrade her house without a second thought in Maidragon. There is a salaryman's company behind everything. It may not necessarily be the norm (i.e. every child lives under such conditions), but it is absolutely an understood concept given how the companies can basically bully around any barriers to their workers' ideal living situations.

>>160686363
>left terrorist groups
>starving vagabond in a South American jungle
>worthless boat hobo on the Indonesian seas
>skinnyfat autist who lights garbage cans on fire in Seattle
Pick one.

>>160681330
It's not like japs make any money off of ganjin anime sales anyway.

Nipponimators work under the belief that if they keep working until they fall ill or even die, then the sponsors might appreciate their sacrifice.
With such literal imbeciles working for them for free, no wonder the big corps are making tons of money.
Literal slaves would need to be housed and given food and water. Otaku don't need either.
It's the perfect money machine. And there's entire new generations being made.

Even with the problem of a society becoming older and older, there will still be enough young fools trying to draw anime.

>>160693049
The jap producers actually make lots of money from gaijins, except spics and huehues. Those are the most worthless gaijins for Japan, since those losers in South America only watch reruns forever.

>>160676116
You know realized that no matter piracy is removed and everyone pays for the anime, the only one who takes the profit VAs, distributors and publishers. Case study:GuP the movie.
Like other capitalism, workers are just slaves.
They only scapegoat bittorrent. For every 1 dollar they save from piracy, 99 cents go to distributors and publishers.

>>160691879
You don't have to try. If you were good enough, you'd already be working on cartoons.

>>160695189
that's not how getting a job works, you know