>Zestiria s2 sells 2,816
>Just barely over S1's flop
What went wrong?
All
But it's the same as fairy tail
Nobody wants another final fantasy themed product.
>>160652856
>Final Fantasy
?
>>160652790
Isn't it just an ad for the game?
It's common for ad anime to flop due to the fact that it had no effort in terms of marketing the anime
>>160653250
Game was infamously bad and unpopular
Anime was meant to 'fix it', but it doesn't seem anyone cared
>What went wrong?
Awful pacing, overall extremely boring, too much focus on Alisha and Rose.
>>160653304
>>What went wrong?
>too much focus on Alisha and Rose.
Those were the best parts
>>160652790
No option to stare at Magilou's ass.
>>160652790
Should be Velvet MC.
>>160653544
>>160652790
>Nips bought the second season just to destroy the discs
>>160653296
According to the creators their main focus was really on pushing Alisha.
>>160652790
flop manga
flop radio show
and now
flop anime
The waifu of financial failure strikes again
>tfw literally only watched this for the Velvet episode
>tfw spent 20 episodes waiting for another Velvet episode that never came
I want my wasted hours back
>>160652790
Wasn't zesty enough.
>>160655525
>to get to the other side
>because the ground is chunky
>because if they flew in the water they'd be fish
>because minerals in the water turned them gay
>>160655300
It's funny because they're putting Alisha in Tales of Rays soon
>>160655189
The creators of the anime? Yeah, I could tell.
No wonder it failed.
>>160655815
It's an limited even that you can ignore, so I imagine that people will just ignore it. You only need Edna and Mikleo to get Velvet and Laphichet anyway.
>>160652790
It was too gay
>>160652790
boring as fuck
>>160655815
Yup, the anime also made it so that Alisha is quickly becoming as hated as Rose. In fact when her armatus event was revealed for Link and Asteria Nips were so livid they actually actually bombed them with negative reviews. Funny how Alisha pandering was all it took to make people hate her.
Also this is really funny to me.
https://twitter.com/PlacrPlacr/status/891673720892162048
>>160656075
>https://twitter.com/PlacrPlacr/status/891673720892162048
Holy shit. It never occured to me the little people that buy this are probably people who still fucking hate Zestiria.
I can't believe the retards at Ufo thought Alisha would be more popular than Edna
>>160652790
It's boring as hell
>>160652790
Not enough Velvet
>>160656384
Actually funnily enough, because of the anime's bs Nips aren't hateful towards Zestiria anymore. They now hate TOZX because it showed that Zestiira not only could have been worse, but also shows that Alisha the character that waifufags have crying about for years. Who they claimed would have solved everything was just a shitty side character whom the narrative didn't even need. It helps that Zestiria's manga was on the far opposite end of spectrum and was better than the anime in every regard.
Now the hate is just towards Alisha, since she's just a shitty NPC who won't go away, and Rose because they hated her from the start (although Rose hate is dying down) rather than the game itself.
>>160656537
That's silly, why limit your hatred like that? I hate everything. So much that I'm starting to create a domain in my city.
>>160652790What I want to know is when the fuck they're announcing the next game
>>160656537
I'm looking at the comments under Kamui Alisha on tales ch and so many nips were angry, I'm laughing.
> Rose because they hated her from the start (although Rose hate is dying down)
Wonder why? Is it because she has such a subdued role in the anime? Anime Alisha is basically game Rose anyway
It needed to be a Berseria anime instead
>>160657385
Well because Rose like everyone else was forced to take a backseat for Alisha. Yes she had more screen time but Rose's screen time was mostly regulated to showing off how awesome Alisha was. In fact she was downgraded just to make Alisha look better, and her relationship with Dezel (which is Rose's most popular pairing), aka the only thing that they liked about her was thrown away to make room for Alisha.
Rose ended up coming out as victim to the Alisha pandering as everyone else.
>>160652790
They didn't follow through on the SoreyxAlisha route
>>160657586
>thinking they'd ever follow through with a pairing that even Nips consider to be crack.
>>160657451
The two episodes of Berseria were the best thing in X.
>>160657586
>literal who pair
Waifufags wanted Alisha, not Sorey with Alisha. This was Ufo's biggest mistake in S1 and they quickly retracted when they realized nobody gives a shit about those two together but a minority of nips desperate for typical hero/heroine Tales shit.
>>160657578
Not to mention Rose is suddenly a submissive dyke to Queen Alisha at the end. Seriously don't know what they were aiming for with this mess. They can't even 'correct' a game right.
Kek
>>160657774
>Not to mention Rose is suddenly a submissive dyke to Queen Alisha at the end
Best part of X
Everyone is gay ending
>>160657774
Nips unanimously loved in this order Mikleo, Sorey, Edna, DezelxRose (the pairing not the characters), a few of the events and scenes in Zestiria (Muse's death, Camlann scene the 1 on 1 battle with Sorey and Hedalf, etc), and then Alisha.
So in reality pushing Alisha to the effect they did backfired, because it didn't allow for the things that people actually like more than her to show.
>>160652790
Actually I'm surprised it sold slightly better than S1. Probably for not having Sorey/Alisha
>>160657939
Oh Nips liked Sorey and Mikleo well enough, and even those that don't accept that Sorey wants to plow his water seraph, so to cope they pretend that Mikleo is a delicious Christmas Cake.
Rose however, they only liked with Dezel partially because it was the only het pairing in the game. Which is why it's the second most popular pairing.
>>160658063
Season 1 sold 3K season 2 2.8K, season 2 sold less.
>>160658063
The BD extras tried their best to appeal to the fujos and /u/fags that were left, since the ending was still homo. I guess that made a difference.
But keep in mind people also apparently bought it to do this >>160657917
>>160658020
It really is such a shame. I don't know why they even keep bothering with Zestiria at all.
>>160658144
Zesty's characters are really really popular, especially Sorey and Mikleo, hell especially Mikleo. Those two were popular enough for companies to literally make a fashion line based around them. Hell Mikleo himself.
Hell even Seiko, got in on it and made a watch based on their armatus. That's who ridiculously popular those to are. The manga which focused on them quickly shot up to being Zero Sum's best seller.
Ufotable just fucked up by focusing on the shit waifu that people had yet to realize was shit. And thus got the expected results.
>>160652790
They somehow managed to make the /u/ couple more important than the /y/ one. I honestly think the producer or director must have a hateboner against fujoshi and purposely did their best to ensure the anime pandered to the waifufags rather than them, even though they are the main fanbase.
Like, wrap your head about it. The anime's ending placed as more emphasis on Alisha x Rose than it did Mikleo x Sorey, you know, the main pairing, to the point that the anime included new scenes just to pander to the /u/ and waifufags. Even though Mikleo is Zestiria's most popular character, Ufotable shafted him and instead dedicated to create brand new content just for Alisha and Rose, essentially filler that added nothing to the story.
TL;DR: Hetshit ruins yet another anime.
>>160658327
>that Mikleo inspired shoe
>>160658431
Well they do legitimately think of him as a girl.
Hell they also made a woman's kimono based on him, as well as various feminine jewelry.
Really if Alisha is the waifu of financial failure then Mikleo is the waifu of financial success.
I think if the creators were sincere in making this anime to present a story instead getting back to Rose by making Alisha a Mary Sue, we could have had a better story, homo and yuri end or not.
>>160658395
Yeah, his /u/ boner is pretty intense. I keep seeing nips complain about Ufo's president on nip twiter.
Even the special BD image made Rose/Alisha's gayer than the homos. It's baffling when they had no relationship at all ingame.
>>160658431
>>160658526
>one change could've saved everything
Mikleo's still better as a fuccboi. Too bad he got shafted in the anime despite earning #1 in TalesFes this year.
>>160658692
Pretty much. Waifufaggotry is just inherently cancer. You can't fight waifufaggotry with waifufaggotry.
>>160658692
Well, of course this was already proven true by the manga. Zestiria's real problem is that it's really really unfinished. Hell there is a reference sheet for human Hedalf's full model despite the fact that he never appears in the game. Hell the whole irony of Sorey actually being the son of a provincial lord was cut as well. Hell we also got to see Sorey's hot mom.
>>160658695
He makes a better girl than either Rose and Alisha, and if he was a girl there wouldn't have been any rule for them nor any /u/ faggotry since according to the lore Mikleo is already married.
Mikleo is great either way, but being male does allow him to gain more popularity.
Ufotable only cared about Alisha because they genuinely thought that she was the most popular character despite the fact that that was never true.
>>160658979
The manga looked like it was the Zestiria everyone deserved. If only Ufo just adapted that version instead of making a hideous Alisha fanfic with splashes of Berseria irrelevance. Hell, Berseria had shit to do with anything either. It was just a waste of time.
>>160658804
The irony about Zesty waifufaggotry is that reading the game interviews from the director is eye opening. Turns out that from the very start it was actually Alisha who caused the story to be altered, not to take her out but to add her in. This was done at the behest of a few waifufags on staff, and so the director humored them and tried to make her more prominent, however mid way through they realized that she didn't work as a party member. So they went back to the original plan and got rid of her.
>>160659063
Funny you mention Berseria, because the manga does lead into Berseria as well. Since Berseria is introduced as a story that Phi is telling Sorey. A fact that is repeated in the Bers novel.
>>160659072
Yup, apparently the Baba shit was stretched alot. Alisha was always meant to leave - even her character designer was given this as a note when he drew her. And it was just the staff's indecision/feud that left people thinking she'd be the heroine when it was first annouced
>>160659381
I think that for Nips the real final nail in the coffin was actually when Berseria came out and showed that, the whole point about Alisha having low resonance and therefore being incapable of being a squire or even using Armatus wasn't BS that the creators pulled out of their ass " to make Rose be useful" it was world building that was planned from the start.
Alishafags really were just confusing one thing for another.
>>160658804
Huh. Somehow I get this feeling Hiroe is a waifufag for Meteora and her VA, and all the shit happened/not happening to Selesia is because he doesn't like Komatsu. No wonder both TOZX and ReC have very boring Mary Sues and a terrible stories.
>>160652790
Too serious.
Not enough bants and comedy, like the games have.
lack of cute shotas for the fujos was the most obvious problem
i mean, even meebo barely even showed up
>>160658695
>Even the special BD image made Rose/Alisha's gayer than the homos
Post it
>>160652790
I love generic fantasy, and I love Sorey-like good guy "heroes". And I hadn't played Zestiria. But they still managed to fuck it up for me.
I think it started promising. Everything up until the point Sorey meets Lailah was what I wanted. The scene where he becomes Shepard. I thought that was genuinely great. Lailah said all those ominous things about becoming one, and Sorey, while initially taken back for a brief second, accepts them all. That was pretty much the last good thin in the show. Everything beyond that was just going downhill.
They begin traveling, and all of their journey from this point has an extremely fucked up pace. Sorey, instead of being a competitive playful nice guy who liked exploring, becomes nothing more than a plot device. He'll do the thing needed to move the plot and nothing more. Interactions between Sorey and Mikleo become non-existent. Actually, thinking about it, the only ones he really interact with were Aisha and Rose. I liked the Seraph FAR more than the humans. I outright hated the humans, but both Edna and Lailah were best girls. But they ended up being so fucking shallow it was unbelievable. They were just there to info dump or move the plot. They lost any and all personality they might have had.
Then came the fucking 2nd season. It was atrocious. The pacing got fucked even further, it focused on an extremely shit character like Rose and Dazel, then those mindless politics and fucking Alisha got ended up taking all the time. I kind of had hopes for Alisha too in the beginning, having seen shit and desperately believing in sword Jesus was not too bad, but she ended up being the most generic battle princess you can imagine.
It was just a fuck up. Too large cast, no one but Rose and Alisha got any screentime, both of them were shit, the adventure aspect was just vapid, main character was a literal plot device and nothing more. They fucked up too badly in every way.Also, Lailah/Sorey best ship.
>>160660970
Lailah wanted to fuck Meebo's uncle, though not that you'd know that, considering how the anime butchered her.
>>160652790
Yurishit
How did Alisha get the second highest amount of votes among female characters in the official popularity poll if she's hated so much?
>>160661077
And he's dead.
>>160661144
Polls started before second season aired. The backlash started during season 2 because people realized that she was a just a side character wasting everyone's time by hogging the spotlight. If they were poll now, she might not have made it to the list.
>>160661144
The poll was before the anime when she has woobie appeal.
>>160661159
And she hasn't gotten over him in over 10 years, even while having Sorey around.
>>160658126
>>160658431
Why? Why couldn't this have been the real Mikleo? How come literally no one during the entire production of both the games and the anime ever thought of this? It should kind of make sense. Instead of giving ambiguous gaymance for the minorities that are fujos, make Mikleo a girl and give the normal man a good romance. That alone would make me buy this game.
>>160661285
>>160661289
The poll was actually DURING the anime.
So by your logic Alisha got a lot of votes at first, then people stopped voting for her after watching the anime, and she still managed to end up second among females. How?
>>160661144
She gets as much fans as hate? Even if the ratio of fans to haters is 1:1, she has a good chance of topping the polls.
>>160661545
Not those anons, but it's possible anime-only fags bandwagoned onto Alisha and voted for her. Additionally. the Tales FES poll can be voted on multiple times.
This is also the reason why Edna was upsurp, the anime shafted and butchered her character and for the first time, she got lower votes than Alisha.
Welp, she's in Rays now
>>160661545
The poll started before the anime, and continued on during it. Then it ended after the anime ended. Also like >>160661651
said secondaries bangwagoned on and voted for her, and we already know that VAfags voted for her too solely because Kayano voiced her.
The real backlash against Alisha didn't really start until after the anime, when people looked back and realized that she was unnecessary.
>>160661605
Not really, Alisha hate was a enough to knock down the Tales of Link score in the JP app store, just because they added in Alisha armatus. Even in the overall Tales polls she got 17th place.
>>160661720
In an event that players can ignore.
Like the Tales Popularity poll, this was caused by a poll that was done earlier on in the year before people got sick of her.
Is the manga translated? I can only find the first four chapters.
>>160661446
Mikleo is actually a dude solely because the production team didn't want to put Sorey in a romance with a girl. Though yes, if they decided to just put Sorey in a romance then the staff could have avoided the BS with Alisha and Rose, since with Mikleo being a girl, Alisha obviously can't be the heroine or very important. Also making it more obvious that Alisha wasn't the start of Sorey's journey, nor is she Sorey's love interest, therefore she's unimportant. Also making Rose a guy would have make her purpose in Sorey's group more obvious.
But you can't cry over split milk.
>>160661957
The manga is licensed and is being released in English. Currently only the first volume has been released, and yes already it's much better than the anime.
>>160661446
You're problematic.
Serious answer, there's already a ton of waifu games, just play something else.
>>160662011
>split milk.
But he's cuter as a boy.
>>160662011
So it's not that the idea never crossed their mind, they just didn't like the idea. That's even worse.
>But you can't cry over split milk.
But I am doing so right now.
>>160662106
Don't get me wrong, anon. I'm not saying there's a lack of waifu games. There's way more than enough. I'm just stating something that would've made me personally enjoy this one game more than it did.
>>160662144
Mikleo is literally draw a girl, call it a boy.
>>160660970
I feel the exact same way. I was really excited to see how Sorey would handle becoming the shepherd, but everything after that was boring and lame. It started to feel like they were wasting huge amounts of screentime I would never give a damn about, and I never felt like anyone was doing anything that was actually important. I remember dropping the show in a rose/alisha scene.
>>160662191
Well who knows what was going in in their heads, but considering how Mikleo is the waifu of financial success they made the right call.
Though yes, putting in Mikleo as a girl would have altered some scenes. But really considering that this is Tales perhaps its for the best that Mikleo's a boy, since Tales staff can't write a romance to save their life. They always make their couples too caste, so even if Mikleo was a girl she wouldn't have even been allowed to even touch Sorey.
>>160662208
He has tits. Damn good ones at that. How does this work?
Why did they shat on Eizen's and the entire theme of Berseria of choosing your life and whatever consequences that come will stay with you? They betrayed their own prequel's premise with that anime.