Is the industry starting to move away from fanservice? It seems

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Tokyo 2020 olympics will put the entire entertainment industry on the backburner as their government tries their hardest to cover up their shame for the 2 weeks or so that gaijns will be visiting their country en masse.
Comiket is cancelled for the summer 2020 season because the building was earmarked, and you can be sure that there will be no primetime otaku bait airing all summer.

>>160557214
Stop with this fucking meme already. The Olympics will change nothing you tinfoil hat retard.

>>160556982
I think anime is currently having a "normie appeal spike" after the huge success of Your Name (and, to a lesser extent, In this Corner of the World) last year. I could see that branch of anime growing in the next one or two years.

>>160557214
Aren't they building a new building for summer Comiket 2020

>>160557214
If anything there will be MORE anime airing during or immediately before the olympics because of the possibility of increasing sales on merchandise. Also, don't the otaku bait series air super late in the night? Even if the respective channels the shows are airing on can be watched at hotels or whatever, I doubt concerned moms and other easily offended people will even know about them.

>>160557214
>Comiket is cancelled for the summer 2020 season
Why aren't the nips protesting that?

>>160556982
Sounds too good for be true

>>160557560
They're already doing it

http://news.nicovideo.jp/watch/nw2845638

There's also a page about the "2019-2020 venue problem"

https://2020event.tokyo/

>>160557214
>Comiket is cancelled for summer 2020 season
Anon, comiket is cancelled starting next winter until 2022, there's 5 years that they're up in the air without a venue.

>>160557560
They are? The same political figure who was openly against the 2013 anti-loli bill is putting up petitions and protests all the time about it (https://twitter.com/yamadataro43)

>>160557804
Why doesn't that guy do something positive like pushing for de-blurring genitals in their pornography

Are you for real? The current largest anime property is Fate and all the new designs have the girls dressed like literal whores.

>>160557826
Because going against the former emperor as a political figure is suicide.

>>160556982
>Is the industry starting to move away from fanservice
No. Fanservice is eternal.

> It seems like there's been an uptick in wholesome programming
Wholesome programming is also eternal. The two are not mutually exclusive.

>>160557902
fuck that, if I were a japanese politician I would definitely want to go down in history as the guy who legalized dicks and pussies

>>160556982
Tsuki Ga is an exception, not the norm (sadly). In the season it aired we also had Eromanga (which sold much more) and many other fanservice anime.

>>160557214
They don't want to happen the same that in the manga U19.

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>>160557964
>The two are not mutually exclusive.

You mean stuff like Flying Witch?

>>160557902
What? The penal code's been amended many times.

>>160558082
I think he meant both branches existing next to one another, not fanservice and wholesome programming being mixed in the same show.

>>160558082
Or Rotte no Omocha.

The japanese's approach to sexuality is pretty weird if you think about it isn't it?

>>160556982
>that it's also been enjoying some moderate financial success.
except the top selling anime last season was Granblue Eromanga

>>160558573
No, just that burger puritan and RRREEE approach to sexuality is annoying and humiliating.

>>160558573
Elaborate?

>>160558573
Far less than the Americans' is.

To be fair, I dislike fan service. There doesn't need to be sex shoved into everything. Only a mindless normalfag ape needs "big tits, bro!" to have interest in something. As one matures and the sex drive decreases, the value of wholesome family friendly entertainment becomes more obvious.

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>>160558573
I think the West are the weird ones. We're regressing to Victorian prudishness.

>>160558606
Europeans are degenerates and embrace the filth Hitler tried to save them from

>>160558794
>"regressing" to what was acceptable for hundreds of years

Fuck off

>>160558604
You say that like it negates the fact of Tsuki ga kirei enjoying moderate success (although I don't actually know if that's true).

>>160558794
Something tells me you're confusing the fans of certain idol/loli stuff with the general population of Japan

>>160558794

How is the west regressing sexually at the moment?

>>160559047
Censorship?

>>160559047
gratuitous violence is ok but nudity is not, even on TV

>>160559157
Where?
I thought that nudity is a lot more accepted lately, even in America.
Popular TV shows like Game of Thrones are even known for having full nudity scenes

>>160558792
Nice blog, what does this have to do with the thread exactly?

>>160559263
Even basic shows such as Game of Thrones had quite an ample amount of backlash. Believe it or not, there was a lot more nudity around a few decades ago.

>>160559047
I think he's referring to the current culture war between sex positive and sex negative feminism. sex negative feminism is Victorian levels of control like zero female sexulisation and the desire to raise age of consent for sex and porn.

Back in the 80s, you could show full frontal nudity in a movie and still get a PG rating.

>>160559551
Is there really such a war going on?
I get a feeling that it is just a few vocal voices that are actually "sex negative" and a bunch of people on the internet that get upset.

The other camp seems to be growing way faster

>>160559613
This.
Did everyone forget about Xena the Warrior Princess?

>>160559551
It's ironic to latch the term 'feminism' to such a concept, especially given that Victorian-levels of control implies an immense amount of sexism against women anyway. Some people are fucking retards.

>>160559707
Sex negative feminism could also include, for example, the backlash against disney for having thin and good-looking female characters, I believe.

>>160559707
There is. Look at how Star Wars is being stuffed with female leads yet they have absolutely no sex appeal.

>>160559708
>that full frontal nude scene in the bath

God damn what a time to be alive

>>160559707
>The other camp seems to be growing way faster
Are you sure?
Because judging from the amount of restriction placed on fiction and artwork to sell in shops, both the brick and digital type, it's the direct opposite, except for ones pandering to women.

If you pander to females, you can have full male nudity with dicks hanging out, written or drawn, and nobody bat an eyelash.
If you pander to men, try the same and no shops will want to put your work on their shelves for fear of backlash and boycotts.

>>160559707
I think the whole tide is turning with all that stuff. Most people are coming around to the reality that a few control freaks who wanted power were fucking up an otherwise positive movement.

>>160559767
I don't know, Moana doesn't exactly look like a landwhale and as far as I know people are pleased with it in general.

>>160559767
Which is very odd, since the people so deeply into liberalism are also fans of Elsa, who is thin, attractive and white.

>>160559774
>absolutely no sex appeal.
She was just an ordinary person. There was actually less "dont hold my hand" bull shit than ep7

>>160559969
>people are pleased with it in general.
So pleased, the movie flopped.

>>160558573
>Japan:
Prude in reality
Lewd in fiction
>Murrica
Prude in fiction
Lewd in reality

I don't know about you, but I prefer the Japanese approach.

>>160559047
Put up a girl in her underwear and a girl in bikins next to each other.

The only difference is that bikini is mean to show something through.
And said underwear would get your show/game banned or at least give it a higher ranking in the US.
The bikini is fine.

If you don't see that for the utter bullshit it is, then you're indoctrinized beyond help.

>>160560063
It did? I don't actually know anything about it. But I somehow doubt that tumblr "body positivists" represent the general audience.

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>>160559455
Reading comprehension could help you, but that seems to be asking too much of someone with a room temperature IQ

>>160560242
It goes much further than that.
Women have internalized this so much and for so long that they themselves feel extreme embarrassment at the prospect of people seeing them in their underwear as opposed to a 2 piece swimsuit that reveals even more skin.

>>160556982
Fanservice isn't just porny bits you fucking philistine retard

>>160560290
Men do the same thing.
You do feel different when you get walked in on in your underwear than when you get walked in on in your swimgear right?

>>160560290
I'm almost sure that men are the exact same.

>>160558573
Read a book or two about matsuri and meiji period artistic expression, and you'll get it

>>160560290
You also have that in Japan though. What matters isn't actually the amount of skin covered but the intention behind the piece of clothing. Bikinis are meant to be seen, underwear is a very personal thing that you want to hide. Admittedly the Japanese make a bigger deal of showing your "swimsuit/bikini appearance" but it's not that different.

>>160558792
If you're titillated by every single show of eroticism that's on you as a stunted manchild you fuck

>>160560446
>>160560457
Not here.

I mean, if you wore briefs then maybe. But most people wear boxers and couldn't give less of a damn if people see them in those as opposed to swimshorts.
Ditto for changing clothes in school and such.
As long as the underwear stays on, there's really no hassle if someone of the opposite sex sees you.

And that's coming from a country with ridiculously strong Catholic tradition.

>>160560290

The women who wear revealing bikinis aren't usually the same ones freaking out about being seen in their underwear.

>>160556982
Youre delusional if you think that anything like Tsuki ga Kirei will come around in the next 5 to 10 years. This show was niche in the beginning, still niche for its final episode and will always be niche because most people are too retarded to appreciate something that isnt shoved into their face. Hell, the show is still not even top10 in popularity of the spring season. The BDs also wont sell (eventhough plentz of westerners apparently importing them). Fanservice will always be easier to approach and make money off because it caters to the lowest common denominator. Eromanga sensei was the most popular show last season (I mean at last it was funny, I guess) and, at least in the west, Kakegurui and Hajim no Gal are this seasons most watched. Fanservice sells, writing doesn't. Literally no economical incentive to not focus on the former.

>>160560242
>indoctrinized

>>160560677
Bikini is always more revealing than underwear, though.

Bikini is made of nothing but the textile that resists water well.

Underwear usually has layers on both portions. Additional piece of fabric to collect pee that hides your genitals as well as light padding to make bras more comfortable to wear.

>>160560649
Well I guess it depends on the context. If everyone else is wearing a bikini, then it isn't quite as embarrassing because you essentially blend in with what everyone else is doing naturally. On the other hand, being seen in your underwear is a rather unnatural occurrence, and would be embarrassing in the context that everyone else is fully-clothed. On the other hand, if a tardily-clad male were to walk in on a group of tardily-clad females, then well - I can at least say that I wouldn't personally be embarrassed. It really does just depend.

>>160560290
No, it sort of goes like this:
>Underwear is too banal or boring, thus resulting in embarrassment at how fucking ugly it is.
>Underwear is much more sexually-enthralling than that of a bikini, such as lingerie, and therefore it makes one appear much more gaudy to the viewer, resulting in embarrassment.

>>160560768
You have no clue what the fuck you're talking about

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>>160560768
>plentz
Opinion discarded.

>>160560900
Guess its a good thing that you chose to enlighten me and privoded plenty of empirical evidence that points to the contrary.

>>160560768
I think you're mostly right except for the very first part. I don't find it hard to imagine there being another rather "pure romance" anime in the next few years.

>>160560768
Why are TgK fans so obnoxious?

>>160559774
That’s literally not the same thing, you stupid fuck.

>>160560957
>demands evidence while providing literally zero
>privioding
fuck off dyslexic retard

>>160561217
Do you really need evidence for fanservice shows selling?

>>160560768
Except kakegurui and gal aren't even selling that well, and there are top sellers with no fanservice this season. God you're a fucking retard

>>160561302
You're a hysterical retard. There are "writing focused" shows selling well this very season

>>160561378
Stop samefagging this badly or at least reset your IP prior to doing it.

>>160561461
Whats the writing centered show that is selling this season? Because as far as I am aware none of the shows even had their BDs released yet. Or are you from the future?

>>160561174
>RotJ had Leia in a bikini
>latest addition to the cast is a fat unattractive Asian girl

But it's not the same thing!

>>160561721
>he doesn't understand what preorders are
back to r/anime newfag

>>160560768
There is a crapload of fanservice-heavy shows that never sold that well, or were just straight up flops.
The anime industry isn't as simple as you people make it out to be.

>>160561799
A) preorders arent sales, you claimed that something SOLD
B) preoder rankings as of now
Top5: symphongear, newgame, hajimete no gal, made in abys

I mean, technically all of those fall under fanservice. Even if you exclude MiA from it then thats still 3/5 with the last 2 shows being Reload blast which isnt writing but action centered, and Ranbou (which apparently already had its first BD released) which animation/action centered. So no idea what the fuck it is youre referring to.

>>160561966
>MIA
>fanservice
what

>>160561966
You realise the inclusion of some 'fanservice' doesn't make a show a 'fanservice show', surely?

>>160562228
>naked kids arent fanservice to a certain demographic
It will be showns multiple times throughout the show. However, like I said we can exclude that for all I care. The point is that 3/5 the top "preorder shows" have plenty of fanservice. There isnt a single one that focuses on writing.

>>160562347
I hope youre not seriously implying that newgame or symphongear have next to no fanservice.

>>160562419
MIA focuses on writing. It's doing well. Your whole premise that writing focused shows never sell is bunk. Moving on.

>>160562627
I sincerely hope that English isnt your first language.

>>160562744
Are you autistic? Your whole assertion was that there's no "economic incentive" to make anything other than fanservice shows. The literal numbers prove you wrong.

>>160562857
If you have the choice between a and b, with a selling better on average, then theres no economical incentive to make b. Saying that something "doesn't sell" is clearly a hyperbole, I even made that clear in the very same sentence. If you cant understand that maximum profit is what a company (in this case mostly the tv station/manga artist/ln novel writer since the studios dont make shit from this outside of their fixed fee) aims for then I cant help you. All you do is juggle with semantics at this point since you've already got proven wrong that fanservice doesnt sell well this season (MiA isnt a top seller by the way, it has less than all the fanservice shows listed)

I like anime and manga if there are stockings, pantyhoses and other inferior legwear and i drop it.

>>160560093
>America
>Prude in fiction
Really?

>>160565611
Schizophrenic at least. Even in the 50s they would go to church on Sunday and then beat off to S&M pictures that night.

>>160556982
like anything, too much of something is a bad thing. an oversaturation of fanservice will result in the industry seeing less profits as the market becomes stretched thin and the industry will begin a trend toward branching out and finding something new to stoke an untapped or alienated market-- often something that is the opposite

similar to the phenomena of cultural and counter-culture revolutions.

>>160557214
This but this is not only it.
The huge rise of anime watching in west has started the nip companies to self-censor and target western retards in a small way.

Overall with the Olympic bullshit and the western (american) culture invasion of the anime we have pretty much lost the game and In 5-10 years it will all be similar to whatever garbage hollywood is pushing in those days.
It's just another mark in the american culture dominating nip one since WW2, same in europe.
Enjoy this while it last folks.

>>160566372
Forgot to mention that DO NOT buy anything anime and manga related if you live in west. You are furthering the destruction of it.
And no buying straight from Japan is not good either. Any money from west will corrupt.

>>160566420
stop watching anime, your continued of enjoyment as a non-japanese is destroying the very thing you hold dear

>>160566372
Biggest example of this is Trigger, by the way. Lolifags have their days numbered.

>>160566473
I use vpn with Japanese IP to minimize the temptation of nip companies.

>>160560457
I tend to wear one of the longer kinds of swim trunks, plus a swim shirt. I get equally uncomfortable in any kind of revealing clothing.

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>>160566420
>>160566473

>>160566372
>nip companies to self-censor
In what way? There's been a handful of fanservice shows that have been going on in the past few years. Sure, some companies have censored or left out stuff to ensure you buy the BDs, but this is veering into tinfoil hat territory.

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Constant reminder.

>>160558938
no faggot that is not how it works.

>>160567544
If anybody needs a few examples:
>Tsugumomo
>Hajimete no Gal
>Sin: Nanatsu no Taizai
>Maid Dragon
>Tenshi no 3P
>Eromanga Sensei

>>160566372
>american culture dominating nip one since WW2
That's literally THE REASON we have the media landscape we see in Japan today, faggot.

>>160566372
Yeah, no. Mangaka have complained about censorship before, and told off the UN about not adapting to other countries' standards. Japan always threatens to cut off funding to the UN whenever they say or do something Nips don't like. Not to mention that western income means jack to the overall industries.

>>160557979
>>160557826
Fucks like you are responsible for all the normalfaggotry in the west. It's thanks to Japan's censorship of genitals that we can enjoy creative porn and lolicon. What's with your obsession with dicks and cunts anyways? Are you gay? Do you really find two flaps of meat appealing?

>>160563147
Your definition of 'fanservice shows' is silly, though. You draw an arbitrary line somewhere (read: wherever the fuck you want to suit your assertion) that, once crossed, sequesters a show into 'fanservice show' territory. It's a pointless distinction and basically impossible to pin you down on or argue against.

Not all eroticism in anime (or any media) is fanservice, by the way. The scene in MiA doesn't fall under the definition of it. It isn't there to draw us out of the story and towards acknowledging ourselves as viewers. Actualized fanservice, by definition, is a metatextual inclusion with intents outside of the narrative. The most common form of erotic fanservice that we're used to is usually to have the viewer acknowledge the fact that they're viewing anime and being 'serviced', usually through some kind of farcical sexual aspects. Eroticism or nudity or sexualization or what have you that works on a story level is NOT fanservice. The Woman Called Fujiko Mine, for example, is a prime example of characterization through erotic expression and does NOT fall into the definition of fanservice in any sense of the word. You may get an erection watching her, but that doesn't make it fanservice.

>>160561966
>preoder
>Top5
>lists 4 shows
>symphongear
>newgame
>made in abys
I'm really blown away that anyone is actually arguing with this ESL retard instead of just telling him to fuck off.

>>160562744
holy shit look at this projection