What defines an asspull?

It's shit.

>>160464041
When something gets the protagonist out of a situation with little or no mention of it before hand. Like when a super robot suit has a brand new function that gets the hero out of a desperate fight that he would have lost.

Something nobody in-universe sees coming.

>>160464133
Setsuna VS Ali
>Trans-arm

In fact it was not introduced in a legit way.

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GOD

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Something convenient that drastically shifts the plot of something that is either
1. Not foreshadowed
2. Inconsistent with the works own logic

Gold Experience Requiem is anti-climatic but it's not an asspull because it has already been established that when the arrow pierces something, new abilities that fit the need of the user at the moment are manifested.


Star Platinum being able to time stop IS an asspull because the logic they use to justify it (Stands of the same type) is inconsistent with everything we know about Stands up to that point. Nor is the ability foreshadowed in any meaningful way

O

>>160464547
Explain O MY RUBBER NEN meme then

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>>160464547
>Not foreshadowed

>>160464698
foreshadow
verb
gerund or present participle: foreshadowing
be a warning or indication of (a future event).
"other new measures are foreshadowed in the White Paper"

>>160464041
When Lagann moved on its own after Simon called it and dug him out of that prison is a good example of an asspull.
No foreshadowing
Inconsistent with the established universe (spiral power comes from the user, not from the robot)
Literally never happens again, even when it would be useful (Kittan had to bring Simon him Gurren Lagann)

>>160464623
MY

BLUBBER

>>160464907
BEN

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This was an asspull.

>>160464633
It's just that, a meme.
Hisoka vs Chrollo ended on a very anti-climatic note. The whole "Nen gets stronger after death" is sorta inherently designed for shit like that to happen when you realize it is basically an excuse to have characters be able to do stuff after being killed.

what happened between the 0-100 episodes of dragon ball super

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Asspull
>An Asspull is a moment when the writers pull something out of thin air in a less-than-graceful narrative development, violating the Law of Conservation of Detail by dropping a plot-critical detail in the middle, or near the end of their narrative without Foreshadowing or dropping a Chekhov's Gun earlier on.

>>160465044
>tvtropes

>>160465044
>tvtropes

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>>160464847
>Literally never happens again
It's implied that Lagann is sentient to some degree several times.
Also by the way Simon treats him.
Lagann even throws Simon towards the Anti-Spiral in the second movie.

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An asspull, by definition, must have both the properties of rubber and gum.

Asspull isn't necessarily a bad thing

Battle tendency Joseph jostar is the best JoJo and all he fucking does is use asspulls.

>>160467881
I think it depends on how much effort the character puts in first before it happens and if its still a struggle even after the asspull.

>>160464041
You'd be surprised how survivable a headshot can be.

>>160464847
While we don't ever get shown the full scope of what Lagann really is, we know right from episode 1 that it's not a normal gunman. It's pretty obvious.

>>160468430
I think everyone agrees that Aldnoah would have been better if it just ended right there and then

DUCKY

>>160467881
That just means Battle Tendency is good in spite of asspulls, not BECAUSE of asspulls.

>>160471902
RHINOCEROSES SUITCASE

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>>160465147
what's so bad about tv tropes? many here use the tropes names to describe shit or when complaining about something.

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>>160464041

>>160473035
The admins have some issue with lolis and created a shitstorm out of nothing.

>>160473310
>Here's like a million zero costumes
>Here's a new feature to the Gurren that is super useful in this particular fight

Literally every other episode of R2, not to say R1 is clean either.

>>160473035
It became tumblr-ized.
It used to be filled by /a/ssholes, but then it passed rules that you couldn't say anything negative about anything.
Don't know if that's still in effect, but the community still has always been Gaia-tier in it's faggotry.
Oh, and the whole "this troper" bullshit in every fucking article. And the pretentious nature is refers to Wikipedia as "the other wiki" like it's on the same page as it.

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A power or other plot device with NO foreshadowing or buildup

The author just thought "shit, wrote myself into a corner"

>>160473035
>many here use the tropes names to describe shit or when complaining about something.
There is also the "nothing new under the sun" trope. So maybe people here use terms that already existed?
>what's so bad about tv tropes?
I was lurking in the tvtropes forum once and they were limitless immigration fanatics. I thought I was on Reddit. Then I had enough of tvtropes. BTW, what does /a/ think about http://allthetropes.wikia.com ? They are a fork of tvtropes.

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>>160464041
BARK BARK BARK MIKONO-SAN

>>160474547

I can't tell whats worse this, or Pein's revive everyone I just nuked jutsu

>>160464041
HXH

O

>>160475123
EVERYONE GOT PLAYED.

asspull
noun
an event or action so unexpected and unbelievable it might as well have been pulled out of someone's ass

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>>160464041
Breaking the rules established by the show

>OH MY TWEET

>>160464041
An asspull is when the solution to a problem is produced with a nonsensical explanation, as if it were made up on the spot or seemingly produced from the author's ass, hence the name.

It's different from a coincidence, which describes the solution to a problem that is unlikely and far-fetched but still possible given all available information. It's also different from a plot hole, in which the solution to the problem contradicts prior knowledge.

>>160464944
What in the name of fuck

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>>160464041
>my 6th pokemon is Celebi!
>everyone is back to life

>>160479496
>solution to a problem
Why do authors even create these problems?

>>160478525
MY

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this guy

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>>160480425
Golden Boy is a good classic. Only 6 episodes, so easy to watch

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>>160475123
Man Aqualion EVOL nosedived hard in the last third of the show and Logos was okay but pretty damn meh throughout so I'd be okay if we don't get anymore Aquarion going forward.

>>160480769
It's not like Sousei was that great. Honestly, I think Logos was better except for the lack of insert songs.

>>160471978
It's part of the charm. Like I said it's not a bad thing out of principle.

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this shit right here

>>160484268
I beg to differ.
I don't think Battle Tendency is good because of the asspulls and I do not think proper foreshadowing or establishing of the tricks that are performed in it would have detracted from the part in any way.

O

>>160480544
Because they literally don't have time to think more than one or two weeks ahead in most cases.

>>160464388
if you were going to post JoJo, Joseph seems like a better choice here.

>>160484577
MY

>>160484606
RUBBER

>>160464623
>>160464865
>>160478525
>>160480612
>>160484577
>>160484606
o my fucking god can you force your meme any harder

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>>160464041
https://webmshare.com/play/nZd4N
This, probably.

>>160479386
Sorry, I can't read moon. What is it saying?

>>160464041
I remember in the threads while A.Z was airing some people knew what was going to happen during or possibly even before this particular scene happened
Something something Norse mythology, unless the script had been made public or something

>>160464944
Do you have a webm of when he makes that giant leap even that bitch stopped for?

>>160464041
Deus ex machina, pretty much a magician did it.

>>160484606
STARRY-EYED

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>>160464041
This bullshit.

Inaho piloted the fucking Sleipnir all season long, and people still called bullshit when he survived the eye shot.
Complain about anyone else who appeared "dead" at that scene/episode, sure, but that's the one that should get a pass.

>>160464547
The World had psychic powers, just like Hermit Purple. The World had time stop powers, just like ???.

>>160467881

Joseph doesn't use ass pulls he uses preptime

>>160486348
I don't get it. Are you saying that because of the Odin parallels, him surviving getting shot through the eye (significantly different from just losing an eye, which is not fatal) is somehow not stupid?

>>160486714
I'm saying that the parallel of Inaho's journey to "wisdom" means that whatever hangups you may have on your video game simulationism telling you that headshot=dead or cheating, that was not a bad piece of storytelling or a "cheat" on the audience.

>>160486857
>video game simulationism telling you that headshot=dead or cheating
Ahh yes, because when people get shot in the head in real life the only complication they have is missing an eye. Only in video games is a getting domed deadly the majority of the time.

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>>160478675
Everyone but Fudo.

>>160484659
RUBBER

>>160464041
no previous basis or a violation of previous logic.

>>160488938
NEN

>>160464041

It's refered to as deus ex machina more broadly, and means when a situation is resolved by a story element appearing out of nowhere or with no explanation.

>>160464944

I don't get how that defines as an asspull, and isn't Golden Boy a comedy to start with?

>>160489060

Anime is infamous for this, but it's probably because a) most Nips can't write for shit. b) the audience doesn't really care in the end as long as the rule of cool is in effect and c) the industry often doesn't allow for long term story planning.

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Let's kill off a minor character with no ambiguity.
Two episodes lets revive that character, give it a gender-swap and shoehorn it into the identity of a major character.

*koff*

>>160464547

I'd say it was there. DIO was using powers of other joestars, and 'moving fast' is the same as stopping time, it's just relative to the observer.

>>160465044

To be fair in the real world reveals like this are desirable. Your opponent cannot counter you, but in reading a story is can feel contrived as fuck if it's above and beyond the current expectations of technology/power/magic/character limits.

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>>160464041
You tell me

>>160479496

I don't think contradicting prior knowledge is ALWAYS a bad thing. The info could come from a character that doesn't know the truth, or was lied to in the first place. Making the previous interactions of characters and the world (the rules of magic system etc) still work with the new information is what is best. It's like rewriting science, a law works for a while, until it doesn't in scenario X and needs a new rule to codify the results.

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>>160484511
It adds to Joseph's cartoony nature, though, which makes him unique among the other Jojos. He can do shit like pickpocketing a dozen grenades onto a vampire without him noticing, or pulling his hand into his sleeve, when he's wearing a fucking tank top. And those are some his most memorable moments.

I think the difference is the intensity of the asspull. Most characters asspull by getting a power-up mid-battle or something mundane, but Joseph's asspulls are so ridiculous that I see them more as a joke than an actual moment in the story. Like for example, him predicting what people are gonna say. They hear him saying their next line, so there's no reason to repeat it (and prove him right), but they do it anyway because it's funny.

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>>160468430
Correct me if I'm wrong but in this case it was:
>straight to the eye socket
>it took time to get him to a doctor, hell, there's even a scene where the girls are crying around Inaho and we get the aldnoah activation to save their asses and escape
>only one doctor was available and he was not a pro surgeon
>no advanced equipment available, just what they had on ship
>the bullet damaged/grazed his brain, they connected the robo eye to it later
Fucker should have died, his part in season 2 was useless and boring.

>>160464041
This is still forced drama rather than an asspull, because later it became known that Inaho wasn't supposed to get shot in episode 12, Aoki and Takayama added it to have a more exciting cliffhanger. An asspull might have been the retarded part with the robot eye taking control of Inaho and talking to the princess.