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https://remonwater.wordpress.com/
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>>160457823
Jaa'a
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soon
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>>160457823
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post yfw Subaru defeats Gluttony and gains all the memories he stole over the centuries but still can't bring them back
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Every thread until Crusch-sama gets her memories back.
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>>160457823
So how hard would it be to beat him with the current tower team if he brings his brothers?
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>>160457823
So did toyota got his memories back?
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These threads are dead. Why try to keep them alive? It just hurts more. Let them die.
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I finally got around to updating it. Even walled off all the NTR in fujo shit.
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>>160467396
Hrm. Julius has been nerfed and can't use his spirits. Ram has low endurance. Rem is comatose. Emilia is OP, but not the brightest. Echistasia casts from her lifespan, and Subaru is Subaru.

Meili could be helpful if she tames some magical beasts, but it's possible the Gluttonies could do the same. If Shaula helps, things would be a lot easier. But I doubt she'd help if it came down to it. That's just make things too easy.
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>>160467804
So many of those are vanilla shit. Good lord. Do people never get tired of it? Give us some different flavors instead, like ntr or tragedy or something, please.
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>>160468697
What? Ten NTR doujins aren't enough for you? You make me sick. Also, Rem's coma is in a few of these.
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Every thread until Rem wakes up.
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>>160468697
>>160467804
Is that Rem gangbang doujin scanlated yet? It's been posted here a few times only for it to get deleted by mods.
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>>160468631
Maybe they'll need to meet certain conditions to get Reid/Shaula to help them out. Greed's probably gonna be helpful too
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>>160465822
That would be a severe power boost. Gluttony benefits from the memory/identity eating in that he can use the talents and specialities of the victims
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>>160467519
Answer my question you fucks
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>>160468852
Only of those was able to make me actually feel enraged. I need more doujins like that one.
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>>160469623
only one I meant.
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>>160469599
Tappei's only updated a few times.
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>>160469944
That fucking hack
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How do you make Subaru and Rem give up besides killing them, anons?
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>>160469623
Look, there are definitely disgusting and enraging ones out there. But the truth of the matter is that I'm getting increasingly closer to being able to make this thing into a cube. Even found a few doujins I missed.
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>>160470944
Rewrite them? Take away Subaru's memories of Rem and put him through despair?
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>>160470944
You can't unless you want to give both of them amnesia like a bitch
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>>160472762
Brilliant plan.
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>>160474723
This all comes much too late.
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>>160469428
i mean in a nerfed sense, he cant use unseen hand like Petelgeuse, so he jsut has the memories and cant resurrect which would probably drive him even more insane
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>>160472367
I meant in terms of physical pains. Magical bullshit will be impossible to counter.
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>>160475453
Well, he doesn't have the mana or physical capabilities to effectively use everyone's skills anyhow. But hey, he could always talk to his new best friend. Imaginary Rem.
>>160475828
Rem will keep going even after losing her limbs and most of her blood. Subaru is at a stage where he could probably die a thousand times and still keep going, even if he'd rather not. Physical pain isn't going to cut it.
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>>160475828
Their love is stronger than mere physical pain.
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>>160457823
Even Julius got fucked by Gluttony. Weak-ass Subaru will have his ass eaten by Ley.
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>>160479975
Nah. Ley's going to develop an intense and insatiable lust for the NEET cock after Rem's memories start resurfacing, and he starts picking up her obsessive stalker tendencies. He's not going to be able to help himself, as he makes sure to dress up all pretty for when he finally gets to meet hi- Rem's Hero.
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>>160482699
What are those two considering? What kind of mystery are they trying to solve? What is Rem suggesting here?
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>>160480290
I legitimately chuckled on this one. Now I think I want this as a doujin. Am I gay?
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what am I looking at
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>>160485945
Depends on what you are looking at
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>>160488599
m-my wallet is dead
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>>160469282
You mean the Yan Yam one? Nope.
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>>160475828
You got it all wrong it gotta be emotional. Have a way where Subaru somehow kills Ram and Rem somehow kills Beako.
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>>160468697
You need cats anon. Lots of cats.
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>>160488599
Lol.. how many figure is she gonna get? Its only been like a year and there are like a dozen already including two life-size ones.
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Chapter update fucking when?
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I'm so happy that Ferri gets something too
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>>160492912
Soon, hopefully.
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>>160496921
Cute
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>>160457823
I wonder when will best boy Reinhard get more screentime.
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>>160497960
Who?
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>>160496978
no
>>160497960
>reinhard
>best boy
you mean Appa dude
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>>160499510
Huh, why not?
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>>160499720
because i say so
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>>160488599
Why are her eyes red?
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>>160490618
>Subaru kills Rem like Petelgeuse kills Fortuna.
Oh boy.
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>>160492041
More figures than NTR doujins.
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>>160485943
>Am I gay?
Do you insert yourself as Ley in this scenario?
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why are Emiliafags so obnoxious?
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>>160508378
jealousy
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>>160508378
They aren't even here right now. So why bother mentioning them?
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>>160508564
they make anti Rem threads again
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Aisukurīmu
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>>160470944
So how is the manga handling the whale fight? Looks like he's not just copying the anime anymore.
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>>160508975
Copying the anime.
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>>160509049
Even the Wilhelm flashbacks?
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>>160509106
There are no Wilhelm flashbacks or Thearesia.
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>>160508975
So far, so good. I actually enjoy the manga version more than the anime one.
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>>160509180
They will be in the next chapter obviously.
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>>160469243
Who?
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>>160509189
It's strange to see what they keep in and what they don't.
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I'm happy that manga shows Ferri's kindness and care for others.
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Anata taida desu ne
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>>160509180
>>160509247
Well that's nice, I'd prefer for that to be its own chapter.
>>160509189
Does he use a dartboard for what he decides to adapt
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>>160465822
You mean literally Mat Cauthon?
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>>160509579
Does he really remove that many things from the story? Because people here talk like he cuts shit ton of things in his manga.
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>>160509792
He seems to borrow from the anime version for a lot of scenes, yet includes random details from the LN.
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>>160509862
Oh, and those random details don't even always have their full context. Like how he includes Rem warning Subaru about Al, but fails to show her sniffing around before doing so.
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>>160509862
>for a lot of scenes,
Such as? I feel like the manga still resembles LN more than the anime.
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>>160510100
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>>160510083
>but fails to show her sniffing around before doing so.
We aren't sure if she does do it in the LN.
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>>160510185
What if that is also how it goes in LN?
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>>160510322

It's the exact same shot as in the anime.
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>>160505398
eh, no, I guess?
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>>160510100
He bizarrely decided to cut the Flugel tree conversation just like the anime. It was really surprising after he bothered to adapt this scene from the WN/LN
It's still a upgrade from the anime
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>>160510194
I checked. She does. I double check these things when I bring up the subject of the LN. The only difference I really noticed is that the LN is slightly less clear about Al staring at Rem for a suspicious amount of time when they first show up, and it's still sort of implied.
>>160510100
Negotiations are more like the anime than the LN, as is the conversation under the Flugel Tree. I read the LN versions of both to compare.
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>>160510455
But why? Are they really trying to make it platonic?
>>160510100
Interesting little tidbit here.
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>>160510404
In that case, both copy the LN.
>>160510455
>He bizarrely decided to cut the Flugel tree conversation just like the anime.
What if everyone was told to cut that scene? They would have kept if it was that important.
>>160510517
Random details don't matter that much. The manga also has some sort of length restriction so he couldn't include every single detail in his manga.
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So how many decades will it take to get past arc 6 and get these threads rolling again?
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>>160510892
>Random details don't matter that much.
The stuff in the negotiation scene is pretty relevant. It goes into why Crusch is a bit reticent to make an alliance this early into the Selection, the political reasons why she can't just lend aid out of good will alone, and how Subaru was able to sell them the cellphone idea with Rem's help. Since Crusch already showed she wouldn't just take him at his word, even if he believed he was telling the truth.
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>>160510892
>shot
>LN
He's clearly being lazy and copying the anime for some scenes. Yet he randomly also adapts scenes from the LN. I guess he's just playing around and mixing it up
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>>160510834
>But why? Are they really trying to make it platonic?
INTENSE FRIENDSHIP.
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>>160511315
Right. I wonder when he will be hit with plagiarism accusations.
Don't be so autistic, anon. It's just one single frame.
>>160511312
No, no. I meant the Al scene. About the negotiation scene, the manga is still able to keep the most important stuffs intact without making the scene overly long so it isn't that bad. Again, manga couldn't include every single thing from the source material. Also, Arc 3 manga needs to finish faster so arc 4 manga can start rolling after all.
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>>160457823
Why does he use a whip?
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>>160511836
It's kind of like Rem's Gundam Hammer
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>>160511814
>needs to finish faster
Why? I'd rather it not be rushed.
>most important stuffs
Yes, and I could just read a summary of the entire story and get the most important stuffs.
>>160511836
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>>160511814
>Right. I wonder when he will be hit with plagiarism accusations.
>Don't be so autistic, anon. It's just one single frame.
I'm not calling him a hack. Being lazy is completely fine as long as he does it at the right places, he's not that bad. It's just obvious he adapts some scenes from the anime instead of the WN.
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>>160512117
LN. He'd be adapting it from the LN. Though adapting it from the WN would make it a bit more animated, since the descriptions tend to go more indepth.

R.I.P. Felix's vulgar laugh and thumbs up. Your absence has made it slightly less obvious that you thought Rem and Subaru just fucked the other day.
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The mangaka is lazy as fuck, just take a look at his "art".
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>>160512063
>Why?
It would take way too long otherwise. Imagine how long it would be to finish the manga if it included every scene, like the Interludes? Shit will be so ridiculous. There would be like 20 chapters for vol 4 alone.
Manga with visuals and dialogues >>>> Summary. Again manga doesn't need to include everything from the source material. Its job is to introduce readers to the LN and this manga is doing the job very well.
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>>160512254
>R.I.P. Felix's vulgar laugh and thumbs up. Your absence has made it slightly less obvious that you thought Rem and Subaru just fucked the other day.
?
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107 days.
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>>160508629
>thread died already
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>>160512401
It's alright, though I think it doesn't compare to Arc 2's. Arc 2 is perfect for the series with how the art easily shifts from silly to serious.
>>160512582
>It would take way too long otherwise.
I don't really think so. As you said, it's a visual medium. So that already shortens what needs to be described with words. Rem sniffing the air could have been put in the background and not focused on. The negotiations could have been a bit longer to communicate the tone properly.
>>160512741
Exactly what I said. WN and LN both have Felix asking if Rem made Subaru into a man. In the LN, Subaru has a brief thought about what that phrase implies in his world. In the WN, it's obvious Felix thinks they fucked.
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>>160512856
>It's alright
It looks really amateurish, the faces and the non-existent backgrounds make it really bad for a monthly manga.
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>>160512582
I guess it works well enough for an advertisement
>>160512401
THE HEART is a bit distracting yeah
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>>160512401
The manga doesn't have the best art style, but it still is so enjoyable to read.
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>>160513116
now imagine if it had Prison School's art style and One Piece's directing and amount of details
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>>160512924
>non-existent backgrounds
?
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>>160513310
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>>160513262
Look. We already know an artist who managed to do it perfectly. Just look at Arc 2. The artist is able to switch between different tones quite easily. I'd love to see the Arc 2 mangaka illustrate the death confession and Flugel tree scenes, because their style is perfect for that.
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>>160513310
that's just a wide shot, just look at this one >>160513116 , no backgrounds at all

>>160513460
yes, arc 2 mangaka puts love into his work
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>>160513361
>>160513310
>>160509407
>>160509189
why is all this shit written in gook?
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>>160513571
>yes, arc 2 mangaka puts love into his work
I think they're just a more flexible and competent artist. Arc 1/3's mangaka seems noticeably less well-practiced, and I kind of doubt they'd be able to handle the humorous scenes as well.

Arc 2's could probably shift styles three times during Rem's death scene confession. Give it a proper tragic death scene look, switch it off to something goofy with the reveal, and then back into something serious as they talk afterward.
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>>160512856
Sounds like you're being too nitpicking. The manga is never aimed at replacing the LN so it will never try to replicate every scene in the LN and surpass it. Don't take manga adaptations anything more than advertisement for LN. You will otherwise be disappointed.
>So that already shortens what needs to be described with words.
They will require more panels for the additional visuals. Not to mention it is hard to translate many of the author's narrative into visual. So yeah it will be (much) longer.
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>>160513571

>yes, arc 2 mangaka puts love into his work

Her*
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>>160513571
>no backgrounds at all
Why should there be background when the focus is on characters' expressions? Why would you want to get distracted by the background?
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>>160513721
There's chink version too but it doesn't sound any better. English version hasn't reached that part yet so.
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>>160514059
Dude it looks bad. A manga's appeal are the visuals. Why would I want to get distracted by bad art when I could just read the scene? Did you see the backgrounds in ep 18 in the anime, it looks gorgeous.
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>>160514190
Yeah and how many people worked on that scene? One?
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>>160514256
That's really not an excuse. Other solo mangaka release weekly and have art that is 10x better than this.
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>>160514121
where's the moon version then? at least i can trudge trough the kanji i dont know.
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>>160514396
Story >>> Graphics
Trivial details like background shits aren't important so whatever happens to them won't affect the enjoyment of reading the manga.
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>>160515078
it doesn't even do the story right
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>>160515078
don't you want re:zero to get the adaptations it deserves and not the trash we've gotten with the anime and arc 3 manga? also, a manga tells the story through its graphics
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>>160515305
The anime is trash.
Arc 3 manga is alright. Reminder that it hasn't finished yet.
>to get the adaptations it deserves
Anon, the series wasn't even that popular when it got the first three manga adaptations. Don't ask too much. Just be happy that we have a good mangaka like the one that did arc 2.
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Even if they skip polygamy, they should at least adapt the last loop properly since that's the part the anime rushed the most?
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>>160511611
re:zero threads on /a/ will become toxic as fuck when arc 3 manga is revealed to also cut the fake death scene. I won't be surprised because LN, manga, anime are all destined to be Emilia route, but I imagine a lot of people here won't take it well.
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>>160516284
That's some bullshit.
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>>160516284
I really don't expect it anymore since he already cut the proposal. I will laugh my ass off if they do an arc 4 manga and double suicide actually becomes INTENSE FRIENDSHIP
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>>160516284
you know that the whole Rem romance can easily be postponed to after she wakes up?
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>>160516558
Rem romance will still work even without the proposal scene. I personally even think it will be better without that scene. But people here might disagree so each to their own.
But the thing is even the author no longer wants it to happen since they keep retconning and removing a bunch of stuffs other than just few scenes. I thought they did all that to improve Rem romance, but then I figured out that they didn't.
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>>160516977
That's some bullshit again.
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>>160517121
Why do they keep removing and mincing things if they want to keep Rem romance then?
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>>160517276
Because they rush everything in arc 4 without exceptions. The most important scenes still happened, the proposal, confession and Carmilla scene and Subaru's behavior is obvious that he loves her. Sorry to destroy your delusions but if the author didn't want the romance in there then he wouldn't have put it in in the first place unless you're saying that he doesn't plan that shit out and is incompetent as a writer.
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>[Rem: Subaru…-kun……?]

>Rem woke up, he hears her voice, and he hugged her while shedding tears, confirming that she was okay.

in short, that's what will happen when she wakes up in the main story?
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>>160517623
>but if the author didn't want the romance in there then he wouldn't have put it in in the first place
Anon, the volumes that contain your Rem romance were written like 2 years ago. The author's mind must have changed a lot since then. He doesn't want to keep Rem romance anymore but he couldn't remove it so abruptly either because it would make his story look very bad. So he has no choice but slowly mince it to make it weaker and more platonic gradually. And after Subaru makes the choice, it would become friendship, literally.
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>>160518057
Why are you calling us delusional while you keep pushing your delusions? None of us know shit so why keep lying?
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>>160517862
Ram will also cry along with Barusu. Or not because she'll be so fucking dead.
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>>160518057
I'd really hate to turn this into something bigger so I won't add more than this: Arc 6 was just before the anime and was still heavy on Subaru's romantic feelings for Rem.
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>>160518057
Carmilla scene happened in vol 12 from 4 months ago. Anon, you know how retarded the story would look like when it will become just friendship after he rejected her and then confessed to her 2 days later? The author isn't that stupid to put in romance with the most popular character if it wasn't necessary.
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>>160518175
>None of us know shit
Except that it is obvious as fuck. Didn't you see the author work with the anime studio to make all the changes? He even took feedback from them to change his story.
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>>160518466
He even implied that he didn't like the happy ending they went with, who knows how much impact he had but considering what they did to the characters I highly doubt that he had much impact on anything.
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>>160518466
He keeps pushing and developing their romantic relationship in the side stories. I don't think he'd do that if he didn't like it.
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>>160518775
pic related, birthday stories etc. Even the Rem IF will only make people ship Subaru and Rem harder than before.
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>>160518775
Well, all I know is the Zeropedia doesn't mention it.
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>>160518878
because it's heavy spoiler for animeonlys
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>>160518878
I don't know why I find that so funny
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>>160518966
It talks about the coma.
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>>160463955
That chain looks like shit.
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>>160519191
No idea what they are doing desu. It's all over the place and does little sense with all the contradictions and different story versions and whatever. I wish someone could just ask Tappei what his plan is
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>>160518775
>side stories
pathetic
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>>160519530
what point are you trying to make, retard?
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>>160519575
side stories don't count because not everyone reads them.
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>>160519659
Why are you trying to start a fight now, Emiliafag? Aren't you capable of reading the posts in context or do you lack reading comprehension? I won't repeat myself for you little shit.
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>>160519755
what is the logic behind this? It's written by the author so people would read it, people discuss that shit you know?
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He still seems to enjoy writing Rem romance, he still has to put something on paper even for side stories after all. So I don't see why he would try to completely remove it.
>>160519380
>It's all over the place and does little sense with all the contradictions and different story versions
Besides the Flugel tree stuff, what else?
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>>160518861
Harem animes have MCs spend fuck ton of time with all female characters. But that doesn't change the result and the main girl will win anyways.
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>>160514610
There is but dunno if there scans for it
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>>160520023
who the fuck talks about who will win? Stop butting in without reading the discussion first you idiot.

I guess you are mad again because no one talks about Emilia again.
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>>160519921
The WN is the only consistent version while the LN and anime make little sense. The LN had that weird turn from vol 8 to 9 while the anime took scenes without the original context.
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>>160519921
>Besides the Flugel tree stuff, what else?
Lots of little things, and some larger ones. Some words were changed and lines were cut, in a way that makes it less clear what Subaru is trying to say, what he's thinking about, and so on.

Anyhow, still can't figure out how to properly get the colors to match.
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>>160520235
just cut her out and give her a new background?

btw even pics like that are made for shipping
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>>160457823
It's there any chance of s2 happening any time soon? If not, where did the anime left and where can I read the LN/WN?
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>>160520200
Volume 7 to 8. 8 cut a loop. Though it is Volume 9 which cut some lines in a really conspicuous manner if you compared it to the WN, since it changed Subaru's thoughts and words in the scene where he brings up polygamy in the WN.
>>160520320
No, you misunderstand me. That'd be the easy part. Take a look at the part along the sample text. The picture I used to fill it in didn't have the same color. So you can still see the outlines of letter there.
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>>160520411
>So you can still see the outlines of letter there.
And by that, I mean on the jacket itself.
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>>160520400
LNs will probably take a year before there's enough material. For the WN, look at
>https://pastebin.com/u3VJggF6
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>>160520518
I see, well, thanks m8.
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>>160520513
No one who doesn't search for it will see it. It's almost invisible
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>>160520320
It's shipbaiting. Authors do that shit all the time. It doesn't mean the romance will be the same in actual story.
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>>160520707
You can say that all you want, but it still triggers my autism. I suppose I could manually adjust it piece my piece until it all matched.
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>>160520876
>It's shipbaiting
Did you just make up that shit? If anything the author would try to reduce the amount of Rem shippers and you'd know that if you had a functional brain. Fuck off already, you're annoying.
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>>160520953
Not him but shipbaiting is an actual thing.
Though if she doesn't win she'll just have to get rejected, what's the big deal that he would have to retcon the entire romance
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>>160521590
Ship baiting is for harem shit, Re:Zero is not a harem.
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>>160521708
I'd be extremely disappointed if Tappei ever sunk to that level. One thing I like about Re:Zero is that it took a character like Rem seriously, and threw a curveball by not having her drop out from the Subarubowl.
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Crusch-sama is the miracle of the universe.

106 days
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>>160522101
If anything the changes to the story by the anime make it more like haremshit by lessening the Rem romance to actually have a real or attempt at a real love triangle. The WN doesn't really have any of that.
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>>160522369
What is your countdown for? The figure?
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>>160521708
>re:zero doesn't have shipbaiting
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>>160522489
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>>160522450
How do those changes make it more like haremshit? I don't understand.
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>>160522604
Well it appears to "lessen" Subaru's feelings for Rem making it seem like Emilia hasn't already loss allowing for more of a battle for his affections. In the WN it's plain as day that Subaru loves Rem, which isn't good if you are trying to market 2 girls.
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>>160522866
How does lessening Subaru's feelings for Rem make it seem more like haremshit?
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Anime failed to show Crusch-sama and Ferri's great relationship, but based Tappei was 10 steps ahead and gave them a touching scene at the end of volume 9. I love Tappei and I trust him that he will keep making great decisions.
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>>160523204
Tappei doesn't make any decisions, the marketing department makes all the decisions
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>>160523270

Your words are covered in salt.
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>>160522545
>Fucking your daughteru
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>>160523332
I'm just saying that you are lucky that fags are in season and so your gaycatboy gets his screen time for that reason alone.
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>>160522604
>>160523270
Not him, but I've seen girls with Rem-like characteristics in haremshit. The protagonist never perceives them as a valid romantic interest, and they'll step out of the bowl to not inconvenience their love interest in pursuit of their rival.

In short, Rem's treatment in the anime is more typical of haremshit than the outright polygamy suggestion is.
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>>160522866
>making it seem like Emilia hasn't already loss
haha what? Anyway re:zero is a harem series from the very beginning. Reducing Rem romance so other girls can compete would be only fair and square.
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>>160523448

Why are you so buttblasted? Are you angry that Ferri and Crusch-sama got a new scene, while Rem "the center of everything" gets things taken from her? I think that's the reason.
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>>160523659
Q: Who are the girls that think fondly of Subaru?
A: Out of those of the opposite sex that think fondly of him, there’s currently only Rem and Petra. (August 12, 2014, end of arc4)

Side note: Emilia starts developing feelings in arc 5 but nothing major
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>>160523659
Re:Zero is not a harem.
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>>160523725
Listen here finnish furfaggot, burn in hell motherfucker. Crusch will never fall in love with Felix because he is a abomination and a bastard child. Captain Crunch is nobility and will marry for political reasons and Felix will be nothing more than her servant cleaning up after Fantasy Chad finishes on her the small of her back.
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>>160523754
>Implying
Stella and Emilia have been lusting for the NEET cock even before Rem did.
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>>160523879
Satella's a lesbian and so is Emilia. Re:Zero ends with them sealed together in eternal embrace.
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>>160523879
Nigger that's from a QA, and plus Emilia still doesn't even understand her feelings. In the side stories it was revealed that she was jealous of all the attention Subaru gave to Rem like the head pats and stuff, in Arc 6 she threw a fit when Shaula hugged Subaru. She isn't lusting for his dick yet
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>>160523874

Such evil things keep coming out of your mouth... and fingers. I'll go to sleep now.
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>>160523879
Does Satella really have that kind of interest towards Subaru?
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>>160524078
I'm just shitposting guy, just biding time man
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>>160524156

Yeah, I realized from "Captain Crunch".
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>>160524190
I do that because Crusch corrects to Crunch
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>>160523477
Why is the polygamy thing such a big deal and why do people here whine about it getting cut so much? It never gets mentioned outside of literally two chapters yet people act like it is some shit that can't get removed. Plus, I cringed when reading that part. Two teenagers already talked about marriage and shit even though the guy's feelings were vague as fuck and they even had no idea how the third partner felt about it holy shit.
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>>160524250

Why are you telling me all this and not let me get to sleep?
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>>160524364
Finns do not deserve sleep
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>>160524290
>never gets mentioned
Not directly, no. But Subaru's feelings for Rem? Those are mentioned often enough in the WN.
>Plus, I cringed
Yes, it is a rather awkward and dumb conversation, but it sets stuff up.
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>210 replies
>36 posters
Dead
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>>160524426

You are confusing us with our Swedish neighbors, right?
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>>160524541
Finland's only notable export is spurdo
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Did Subaru get his memories back?
Is TLanon dead?
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>>160524800
Tappei hasn't updated for some time. He probably won't start regular updates again until Arc 4 ends.
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>>160524728

I still remember when Spurdo spread... not proud of that. We have Angry Birds and Clash Of Clans though... Not proud of those either.
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>>160524484
You know it's shit writing when "I love you" comes way after a marriage talk. I mean, there's a reason why they remove that shit as soon as they can. It would make everything so hard to read, watch, and comprehend. Rem is almost a waifubait, but thanks to it she becomes one.
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>>160524800
Anon is still MIA
Everythread Anon too

Everythread until she wakes up.
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>>160525031

Anon is still Made In Abyss? Wow.
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>>160524985
>when "I love you" comes way after a marriage talk.
It came after that had already been implied, and it's exactly the sort of awkward conversation you'd expect from the two characters.
>hard to read, watch, and comprehend
It was quite easy to understand.
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>>160524985
Rem had already said I love you
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>>160524491
overlod thread

442 replies
47 posters

konosuba threads are not different either
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>>160525810
Subaru needs to be drawn as more surprisingly ripped than that.
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>>160525810
We use to be 70-110 when we hit 600 posts but for those threads you would have to account for waifuwars
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>>160525237
>implied
And no, that isn't only awkward but also childish and poorly thought out. So fucking out of character for those two. What I got out of that conversation is that
>Rem is waifubait who couldn't control her lust for Subaru's dick.
>Subaru is a retarded manwhore.
>>160525610
She was ready to suck Subaru's dick way before he even said he loved her. Even a waifubait like Emilia still knew to not fall for Subaru's dick that fast and instead decided to work harder to earn that #1 spot.
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>>160526021
>So fucking out of character for those two.
Nope. Even if it doesn't say good things about either of them, it's not really out of character at all.
>decided to work harder
Ah, so you're just baiting.
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>>160525995
They made Rem too tall in that picture.
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>>160526314
She's standing on something
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>>160526191
>it's not really out of character at all.
So what's up with that "Rem is always harsh on Subaru" thing? Succumbing to her lust and wanting to suck Subaru's dick as soon as possible doesn't sound like in character, especially after that rejection in From Zero.
Also,
>Emilia: If it makes Subaru turn the other way, that just means that I’ll be the one this time to do my best for you to turn my way. I’m not worried about Subaru suddenly not being there. Therefore, I’ll also have you come my way, no matter how madly in love you become with Rem with how cute she is.
vs.
>Let me go convince Emilia-sama so I can suck your dick.
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>>160526564
Man you really are trying but to no avail
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>>160512063
Fucker needs 70 attack if he wants to use a whip
better stick to that bronze dagger lmao
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>>160526564
>Also,
Taking the bait again, but that's Emilia just talking, while Rem actually did all that.
>So what's up with that "Rem is always harsh on Subaru" thing?
Rem has multiple character traits. Wanting to suck Subaru's dick as soon as possible is not incompatible with having high expectations for him. However, it does imply she's pretty fucking weird and her standards may be a tad warped. But we already knew she was weird.

We also already knew she increased physical contact with Subaru after the whole rejection thing. If you thought the polygamy suggestion was out of character, you just don't know her character. Subaru accidentally falling in love with her and taking the manwhore route is also in character.
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>>160526626
You need more proof?
>Emilia: I won’t fall for you that easily you know
and
>Subaru: That’s fine with me, believe me, and I’ll work hard until you accept my feelings
Meanwhile, Rem made Subaru choose the easy way out. Now tell me which one of the girls is the waifubait.
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>>160527209
The pretty girl who doesn't really do anything

She's kind, naive, but discriminated by the outside world nonetheless she still is kind to everyone. She's sheltered from the outside world and needs someone to help her. Subaru's damsel in distress. She's so pure she thinks babies are made from kissing, she is so pure and unsullied that love is completely alien to her.
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>>160527319
It's why I love her
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>>160527209
>the easy way out
No, I'm pretty sure that'd ruin his chances with any other girl with a normal state of mind. If Emilia wasn't a retard, that'd have pretty much ruined his chances with her.
>>Emilia: I won’t fall for you that easily you know
That's Emilia just saying words without really understanding their meaning.
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>>160527389
Her dress is white and purple

>white
Pureness
>purple
Historically a color symbolizing royalty
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>>160527454
At least you acknowledge that Emilia is stupid, which she is.
It is clear that Subaru is abnormally attracted to silver haired heroines because of a past life, and since he's a sage candidate I presume his past self to be Flugel the sage who sealed Satella.
Any attraction before Arc 4 was due to a resemblance to Satella
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>>160527095
No, no, don't even try to avoid the subject by blaming everything on that girl's intellectual and standards and shit. Besides having murderous intents and being clingy, she functions just like a normal human being would. She even knew to prank Subaru so she could get the "I love you" from him see? So don't talk as her brain is dysfunctional, unless you really do think she's retarded, which is fine by me.
>We also already knew she increased physical contact with Subaru after the whole rejection thing.
No shit. But that's not we are talking about here. It's about whether what she did was out of character as she went completely against her personality by allowing Subaru to take the easy route and whether she is a waifubait by doing so.
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>>160527454
It was supposed to be easy for Subaru, not for Rem you retard. Rem was doing she could so Subaru wouldn't have to do shit. That's what a waifubait does.
>That's Emilia just saying words without really understanding their meaning.
She never goes against her words and her stand never changes so she clearly understands what she said.
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>>160527661
The polygamy route thing was brought about by her inferiority complex. If you watched the show, you'd know that she was being compared to Ram every single day, Rem was completely envious of her which is proven by her smile during the cultist attack when she witnessed her sisters horn getting sliced. She honestly degrades herself so much so that shes basically accepted the fact that the only way to get to Subaru is by sharing.
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>>160457823
Why would you watch this show? It's horrible. Beyond salvation.
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>>160527319
>The pretty girl who doesn't really do anything
Funny because helping other people out of obligation was why Subaru fell in love with her.
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>>160527963
I'd tell you to read, but well fuck that shit. The books are good though
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>>160528028
Assuming the anime came from the books, I can't imagine there is any truth in your statement.
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>>160527661
>she functions just like a normal human being would.
She's functional. She's also a fucking stalker. Her various idiosyncrasies come up quite regularly. The girl is abnormal.
>to take the easy route
But hat's never been her issue. She doesn't mind him taking the easy route as long as he's not just giving up and settling for it.
>>160527918
>It was supposed to be easy for Subaru, not for Rem you retard.
And I said it'd make things harder for Subaru if he intended to pursue Emilia, if Emilia wasn't retarded. The polygamy suggestion would get a harsh negative reaction from any normal girl. Emilia's mostly just fine with it.
>She never goes against her words and her stand never changes so she clearly understands what she said.
She doesn't even know what it means to fall for someone. Talking about how you won't be so easy, when you don't even understand love, is just saying shit that sounds good. What does difficulty have to do with love?
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>>160528096
a shitload was cut from the novels
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>>160528153
A piece of shit cut from a piece of shit is still a piece of shit.
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>>160528005
He fell in love with her because he has a silver hair fantasy girl fetish
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>>160527959
>If you watched the show
Okay so everything you said is all based on the anime? I'm not going to bother this.
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>>160528187
I can cut away everything from your body but the shit in your intestine.
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is re zero a masterpiece?
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>>160528209
It's always funny when they reveal themselves
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>>160528187
well it sounds like youre familiar with that, are you Indian?
go b8post in some other thread
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>>160528277
A master piece of shit
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>>160528277
A masterpiece of shit
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>>160528277
A shitterpiece
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>>160528290
Hrm? He brought up the anime because what he's talking about is even included in there. There's no excuse for not knowing it.
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>>160528277
A piece of shit that turns into a masterpiece then back to shit again. The novel versions are actually quite good because Subaru's inner monologue really carries some parts.
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>>160528517
No one talks about the show here, it's shit
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Beako>Satella>Crusch>Emilia>Rem>Felt>Ram>The bitch>The other bitch

Stop discussing dumb shit.
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>>160528484
>
>>160528560
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And so the shitposters come in full force
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I have only watched the show, what am I missing exactly?
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>>160528629
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_wOtTltdwZhHK0UKaV1AelPcA-K70SdWPcY3FTBJGnA/edit#heading=h.33dyglluz8go
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>>160528579
I can agree with this if you switch Ram and Rem.
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>>160469623
god you just said the wrong fucking thing
rezero has reached levels of dont fuck with given the nature of the series people want the vanilla to alivate their anguish with certain character situations like rem, rem has reached the casca tier you simply cant make a ntr/gore/torture/whatever fucked thing doujin and expect people to eat it up cause whatever sinister scenario you planned for a doujin has happened to the canon in one way or other
>TL/DR peop,le want to see their favorite tormented characters happy for a change
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>>160528663
>clownfucker
Yeah no. Rather move Ram down and a few notches, if Brotto disproves of her then so do I
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>>160528663
Rem is a superior version of Ram though, and that's a true fact.
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>>160528629
All the good parts
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>>160528714
>>160528716
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>>160528579
Finally someone with good taste.
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>>160528629
Some people will exaggerate, but what you're missing is a lot of context, detail, and characterization. Stuff that really helps you understand the characters and their reasons for what they do, and properly develops their relationships while making their mental state clearer.
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>>160528120
Everyone can be weirdo. Don't talk as if Rem is mentally disabled.
>But hat's never been her issue
Letting Subaru do as little as possible so he can have things easy come to him, as expected from a waifubait.
>And I said it'd make things harder for Subaru if he intended to pursue Emilia
Do you really think Rem would let Subaru be hated by Emilia and become heartbroken if things went wrong? Are you that retarded? Do you not think she would use the "Everything was decided by me. Subaru-kun has nothing to do with this" excuse and even cut off communication with Subaru so his relationship with Emilia wouldn't collapse? If that waifubait is okay with being a mistress, she will also be okay with being a complete cuck and watching Subaru fuck Emilia all day long.
>Emilia's mostly just fine with it.
She didn't even love Subaru at that point. So she didn't care who the fuck Subaru loved. But now that Emilia begins to have feelings for Subaru, she would aim for that #1 spot, unlike a certain waifubait who is okay with being a mistress as long as she can fuck Subaru.
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>>160528716
Rem is better than Ram because she stole everything from her sister. Now imagine how better that girl's life would have been if the potato was never born.
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>>160528895
All the good parts
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>>160528988
But my point stands kiddo. In the end my waifu proves to be better than yours, just accept it and move on.
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>>160528946
>Everyone can be weirdo. Don't talk as if Rem is mentally disabled.
I'm not talking as if she's mentally disabled. I'm saying she's written as a variant of yandere.
>Do you not think she would use the
She made it clear in the King Game chapter. She doesn't intend to give up. Obstinate tunnelvision is also a character trait of hers, and the Mayo chapters also outlined her goal oriented nature. When she's focused on something, she keeps on after it.
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>>160529215
She's not my waifu, but thanks for showing that Remfags are douchebags and are willing to throw everyone else under the bus for the sake of the potato.
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>>160529328
We already knew Remtards were awful.
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>>160529348
Spare me, at least Remfags didn't kill the threads with shitposting.
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>>160529776
Stop responding to bait
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>>160529280
>a variant of yandere.
Please. She's the mildest yandere I've seen. She couldn't even agree to fuck off with Subaru so they could fuck all day like a yandere would. Funny how she turned 180° two days later and asked to suck Subaru's dick repeatedly.
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>>160529776
I don't think that's what killed these threads. There are only so many repeat discussions to be had.
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>>160529818
At this point, I think you just don't have any grasp of the characters or situations involved. Or, more likely, you're just shitposting.
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>>160528517
>autist only knows about about re shit because of the anime
>claims it is shit
every time
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It's nice to see Emilia getting along so well with other children her age.
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>>160529919
No, no, I wasn't discussing things anymore. I'm just saying that Rem is the weirdest yandere I've ever seen. Like which yandere agrees to be a cuck and share the guy she loves with another woman exactly? That's weird.
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>>160530057
>Like which yandere
"Yandere" is a pretty broad label. The key part to that label is the unhealthy degree of obsession. The thing is, it took a mere two WN chapters after falling in love with Subaru for everyone to start labeling her as mentally ill and a yandere,
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>>160457823
This trash is still going on
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>>160529776
Yeah, let's just pretend that Remfags don't provoke Emiliafags again and again like this guy >>160508378
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>>160530423
That guy didn't provoke shit, a another thread was created in response to this one, it was a bait thread created by people mad about Rem
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>>160476005
Wow imaginary rem?What did i miss???
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>>160530674
Just engaging with his speculation.
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I came back only to find people falling for bait and waifuwars what the fuck anons.
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>>160530791
False flagging and shitposting always take over there threads for some apparent reason. Nobody can discuss anything anymore without someone trying to reel in (You)s.
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>>160530849
Shitposting comes up when there's noting new to talk about.

Unless you want to talk about how Tia dies next chapter.
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>>160530674
The idea of when he gains archbishop gluttony's power, he doesn't get their exact power but a similar one. This was speculation on what exactly it would be.
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>>160530913
It would have to base itself on his gluttony. I don't think his gluttony is like Ley and the rest, and it would be a pretty useless authority if it was just memory transference
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>>160529860
I noting the history of these threads after the anime people were talking excitedly and having threads everyday, around Christmas esl came then the poster count went from 110 to 80, then shitposter-kun made multiple threads spamming the entire catalouge which made threads for from 80 to 60 then the literal 3 day waifuwar came and the poster count went to 30. Since then and the dust has settled we've recently been able to reach 100 in one of the threads.
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>he likes Emshittia the shitty waifubait whore
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>>160531254
They have shit taste but you don't need to rub it in their faces
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>>160531254
>he likes rem the side character selfcuckold
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>>160531254
You can stop falseflagging now
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>>160531149
Huh. I mostly assumed the threads were slow for the same reason I don't really have anything to post about. I've discussed everything I wanted to discuss for the moment.
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>>160531052
As I've always said to this speculation, we need to ask about what's empty inside of him and how he fills it. I actually don't think his Gluttony is too dissimilar from the Bishops. Subaru uses the people around him to fill out his personality and identity, if you hadn't noticed. They even inform his ideals
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>>160508467
Honestly, things would have turned out much better if Emilia was treated more fairly, like be given more official arts, more nendoroids, at least a life-size figure, be talked about and discussed more... It's hard for Emiliafags to not get jealous when their beloved girl is neglected while another girl gets all the attention.
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>>160532517
Why do all that exspensive stuff to appease 10%
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>>160457823
Yes
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>>160532565
Ram also gets a life-size statue. Now if you tell me she is more popular than Emilia.
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Reminder
>>160530748
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>>160532693
Fuck off
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>>160532517
there is no reason for more Emilia merchandise if people don't buy it anyways
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>>160532623
Ram gets special treatment because she is Rem's sister
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>>160533561
How about Emilia? She's the fucking main heroine. She deserves more than this.
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>>160533941
it's the author's fault for making her bland and boring, nobody cares if she's the main heroine or not
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>>160534073
What is Emilia supposed to do to make people love and appreciate her more then? Be smarter, be more mature, be more seductive, be more evil?
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>>160534505
be different than she is now, but that won't and can't happen over night and until it happens every other character will be even better since they also develop in that time. The author fucked up by assuming that people will fall for her unreasonably like Subaru did
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>>160534505
>stop the special snowflake treatment
>stop shoving her down our throats with boring one- sided dialogue
>stop the "she's so beautiful" bullshit
>stop the extremely ignorant behavior
>stop the forced romantic relationship
There's just too much wrong with her character, and considering how long the story is I highly doubt that people will ever like her more than other characters who don't have all these problems
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Emilia was a mistake
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>>160524728
That reminds me, do we have Ferrispurdo or Cruschspurden? I will gladly post them to annoy Fagferro
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>>160539013

No bro, but I made these >>160523725
You can't annoy me with them though.
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>>160539261
Are you sweedish by any chance?
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>>160540066

No, why would you think that?
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Finally one I am interested in.
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what scene is this? I think it wasn't in the anime
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>>160544858
I think this was during Episode 15 when Crusch asked her what Subaru was to her
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>>160544997
right, makes sense, thanks
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>>160537198
The story needs a main heroine. Emilia is the perfect fit for that role. Who else could the main heroine be otherwise? The blue-haired twin MAID?
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>>160534985
>stop the extremely ignorant behavior
I want to corrupt Emilia!
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>>160548850
Emilia's execution was done rather poorly, at this point I think she is suppose to be bland and uninteresting to highlight Subaru's immaturity
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>>160548850
Rem is by far a better heroine than Emilia. Heck, even Beako and Petra are doing a better job than elftard.
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>>160549536
>Petra
That's harsh.
I like her mainly for seeming to be the biggest outlet for clown hatred
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>>160549266
Archetypal, not bland. What I do find interesting is how Subaru only seems to have a passing interest in her whole equality cause. It's really not hard to see how Subaru outsources his character, motives, and goals. He'd rather be Emilia's Knight/Rem's Hero than just be Subaru.
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>>160548850
>The story needs a main heroine
It's not really mandatory
>Emilia is the perfect fit for that role
Emilia is a failure in that regard
>Who else could the main heroine be otherwise? The blue-haired twin MAID?
...Why not? It's not like profession and lineage are inherent for the role
>>160549808
>Archetypal, not bland
Emilia's problem is not adhering to an already established pattern, but the expectation that her status of "main herone" would carry her to success
Instead this blatant attempt at engineering endearment fell flat in the face of her inadequacy in making an impression, and perception of draining (without any merit) focus from characters that generated more interest
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>>160552334
>...Why not? It's not like profession and lineage are inherent for the role
Nah, unless we were doing a Cinderella story here and Rem turned out to be a Royal Candidate/has ties to Satella.
>Instead this blatant attempt at engineering endearment
This might be the one part where I feel you have a point. He tries too hard selling how wonderful Emilia is, and I never feel like any of her personality flaws are core to her character. She could have gone permanently crazy in one loop, but that doesn't really seem to mesh with what we're shown of her personality elsewhere. It's like some weird thing tacked on just so it can be pulled out.
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>>160552334
Rem being the main heroine sounds terrible. How will that even work?
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What the hell does main heroine even mean?
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>>160552983
just make her a royal candidate if you need more plot involvement, otherwise she's already pretty good
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>>160553268
That will only make her look like a legit designated heroine and make everything forced and unnatural.
Also,
>Subaru loves Emilia.
>But Emilia looks exactly like Satella. Subaru's feelings for Emilia must be caused by the Witch!
vs.
>Subaru loves Rem.
>Rem looks exactly like Satella. But I swear Satella has nothing to do with this. Subaru's feelings for Rem are completely genuine!
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>>160553268
Alternate universe where Roswaal never picks up Emilia because the Royal Insignia reacted to Rem when he got it, and he decides to turn Rem into his puppet candidate instead and stuffs her into a Princess dress so she can look the part. Probably more competent than Emilia on the surface, but just going through the motions as she thinks Ram would be better for the job and has little to no personal investment in winning at the beginning. Also resents that she's been elevated above nee-sama and can't dress like her.

The other candidates likely wouldn't respect her much if she didn't really stand for anything, besides what Roswaal and Ram told her to stand for, and her personality quirks would probably result in either hesitant or rash decisions. Or just bizarre ones, when her professional mask slipped. She'd probably be completely stressed out by the whole situation.

Now, how would you introduce Subaru into this scenario?
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>>160553788
what are you even talking about? someone asked what Rem lacks and I just gave a simple suggestion. I didn't even say how she would become a candidate. Would be cool if Rem became a candidate later on because of she's the last Oni or because of some contest and then had to leave the Emilia faction to be able to participate in the selection. I wonder what Subaru would do then
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>>160553788
>>Subaru loves Rem.
>Rem looks exactly like Satella. But I swear Satella has nothing to do with this. Subaru's feelings for Rem are completely genuine!
Wtf are you talking about retard
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>>160553879
>she didn't really stand for anything
Her goal would be to eradicate the Witch Cult, she would get followers for that I think
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>>160553879
She may rescue him from the thugs in the dark alley. Probably won't be as anime tsundere about it as Emilia so he doesn't immediately assume her to be the heroine but still might help her cause she's his only connection to this new world. Roswaal engineers the assassination and the loop starts.
Second time they meet, she can smell him. So she rescues him again from the thugs in the dark alley. He thanks her but then gets dragged into a darker alley. He babbles about stuff he shouldn't know about her so she drags him to an even darker alley and
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>>160554119
Are you too stupid to understand it? I was talking about the inevitable change in Remfags' "Subaru's love for X is artificial and caused by the Witch" narrative in a story where Rem is the main heroine and has connections to Satella and looks exactly like Satella like Emilia does in the story that we have now.
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>>160554393
nobody said that Rem would look like Satella/Emilia
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>>160554206
While she hates the Witch Cult, she never actively went to try and hunt them down. I'm sure she'd probably pick that up as a goal if that was brought to her attention again, and she'd probably have some interest in defense to prevent her home from ever being burned down again.

But put in that situation and under that pressure, I rather doubt Rem would be thinking of her personal motivations at first.
>>160554360
>Second time they meet, she can smell him. So she rescues him again from the thugs in the dark alley
You mean rescues the thugs from him by scaring them off, when she tells them to run.
>and
And what?
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>>160554452
We are assuming that Rem in that hypothetical story will have similar connections to Satella like Emilia does in the current story.
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>>160554534
not really, we only suggestion was to make her a candidate for the throne. She has already a connection to the cult
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>>160554531
What if Rem knows about Subaru's RbD? They could ream up, find and beat some bishops and gain many people's trust and support.
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>>160554360
>she can smell him.
Didn't it take awhile for his scent to become that noticeable?
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>>160554531
>And what?
She starts torturing him since he's clearly a witch cultist. Or maybe if she's a bit calmer she drags him to the mansion.
>>160554691
I'm assuming it settles down after he stops looping but already becomes noticeable after one new loop. Or did we get better clarification?
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>>160554360
The reason Emilia showed up in the valley was because she was looking for her insignia. What would be Rem's reason of being there? Also finding her stolen insignia? That will make her look dumb. Or just giving herself a break and wandering around the city until she happens to see Subaru? There would be no reason for them to go to the loot house and get assassinated by Elsa if that was the case. And talking about Elsa, how would she assassinate Subaru and Rem this time around?
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>>160554791 (You)
Actually scratch that last part, Juice could still smell him after two months. Maybe Witch cultists have better noses though.
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>>160554847
why not just write something different and new?
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>>160554660
>What if Rem knows about Subaru's RbD?
That's pretty much impossible, and the Rem who'd exploit it wouldn't be a very good Rem. Unless the pressure has gotten her to go full ruthless pragmatist, and she doesn't love Subaru yet.
>>160554791
>I'm assuming it settles down after he stops looping but already becomes noticeable after one new loop. Or did we get better clarification?
He didn't seem to have much of an identifiable scent at the end of Arc 1, since Rem doesn't seem to be on his scent in the first loop around.
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>>160554593
What about the main heroine's connections to Satella? Satella subplot is pretty huge you know.
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>>160554917
Well, then it's just writing a whole other story with some slight similarities in setting and characters.
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>>160554939
Subaru would convince her to trust him to go hunting some cultists. The Cult is the most dangerous organization it should be in everyone's interest to get rid of them. They could make an alliance with Felt and Reinhard for extra safety.
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>>160554791
>She starts torturing him since he's clearly a witch cultist
Candidate Rem will be different from Maid Rem. The former won't be as murderous and bloodthirsty after being trained by Roswaal to become the King.
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>>160554956
she has connection to the witch cult and the cult has a connection to Satella. Actually Rem is as much of a target as Emilia anyways
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>>160554980
witch cult and royal selection only has to be in there and everything else can be changed
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Where should I start reading if I just finished the anime?
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>>160554847
>Also finding her stolen insignia? That will make her look dumb.
That didn't make Emilia seem dumb at the time did it?
>>160555215
Ctrl+F pastebin
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>>160555215
See the pastebin, read Arc 3 Interludes and available Arc 4 chapters on TranslationChicken, then jump to anon when you run out.
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>>160555301
It did, at least for me.
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>>160555139
>is as much of a target
Not really, even if some weird shit was done to her as it seems to have been.
>>160555091
Look, Rem would be under a lot of pressure, so she's not going to be making the nice decisions. What'd probably save Subaru's life is that his scent doesn't start getting stronger until after a few deaths or he tries telling someone. Which means he might suddenly start stinking after Rem brings him back home, and she starts freaking out because she might have just fucked up and brought a Witch Cultist into her home where everyone she loves and cares about lives.

So in Arc 1, Subaru needs to make a positive enough impression that Rem doesn't get too violent and hesitates before trying to "correct" her mistake, and Subaru needs to have a positive enough opinion of her that he doesn't assume she's just a bloodthirsty maniac and is willing to stick around after she starts treating him with suspicion or tries interrogating him.
>>160555057
Subaru wouldn't know about the Cult yet.
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>>160555195
The whole arc 4 and arc 5 will be changed dramatically I imagine. For example, Roswaal's been pushing Subaru to be devoted to Rem so Subaru will do everything for her and help her win the election. But now that Rem is erased and forgotten by everyone, what would be Roswaal's reasoning of doing his things up till now? What would the purpose of his actions be? In arc 5, what would Subaru's reason of going to Priestella without Candidate Rem be?
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>mfw just finished the anime
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>>160555928
>But now that Rem is erased
In this scenario, Rem probably wouldn't be eaten and the whole story would be different.
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>>160556010
T
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>>160556055
F
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>>160556055
>nurse rem
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one Emilia, don't make hate threads out of jealousy, okay?
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>>160556010
>>160556055
>>160556117
Oh god my wallet can't take this
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>>160556020
So arc 6 wouldn't happen? The Gluttony Archbishops will become irrelevant too.
Also, would there still be From Zero? Rem giving the speech after having a fight with Subaru would sound weird. But giving it without a fight before that would also sound weird because Subaru wouldn't need someone to motivate him to redeem himself and become a hero.
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>>160556667
new scenarios, a different story with the same characters
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>>160556667
I'm pretty sure everything would change if you made Rem into a royal candidate and had her be the one Subaru met on day one. Their relationship wouldn't even be the same. Subaru would probably still be able to help her with her personal issues, but those issues might be even worse than they were in the original due to her being under even greater pressure while still trying to do everything as well as nee-sama would have.
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>>160556929
What would her challenges as a royal candidate be? She isn't as discriminated as a half-elf so I don't think her road to becoming the King will be as tough as Emila's.
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>>160557604
She's still a demihuman, and an Oni at that, and I'm not sure Rem has any ideals for the nation or strong reason to want to rule that everyone would get behind. Everyone already wants to get rid of the Witch Cult, but they're notoriously hard to track down, so it's not like promising that kind of thing would be all that effective.

She'd have to find an actual reason why she wanted to be King, besides just following Roswaal's orders/Ram's advice. Which would be more or less the same thing. Rem was raised as a servant, and it shows.
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>>160556010
>>160556055
>>160556117
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>>160558926
God damn it I already got the matching 1/7 scales earlier
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>>160556826
Will Echidna and the Witches even be in that story? They are much more related to Satella/Emilia than Rem so they might as well be gone along with Emilia. I would hate that.
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>>160559798
The original draft (talking about pre-alpha or even earlier) only had Satella and Echidna as the witches, the others to make the pattern of 7 sins were invented on a later moment, most likely after the creation of Rem (possibly *because of* Rem)
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>>160559988
Remember when people thought these were the archbishops?
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>>160560097
Didn't mean to reply to that anon
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>>160559988
Say what? I thought her creation only changed her and Subaru's characterizations, not the whole story.
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>>160560549
Rem's character summary comments how because of Rem almost nothing of the original story remained, but it's in general terms rather than specify *her* story.

About the witches becoming 7 because of Rem it's a conjecture from my part but I have a consistent course of events that led to this:
The Witches were only 2, but this means that initially the 7 sins weren't a thing.
In another Q&A Tappei talks how he was aware that Pride is usually considered the biggest, but he decided Envy (Jealousy) to be the biggest in the story.
This specific choice is probably because he decided to make Satella about Jealousy and so fit Echidna and add other 5 to the notorious pattern of the Sins.
Considering how Rem caused most of the plot changes it's possible he wanted to make Satella about Jealousy because of her
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>>160561432
>almost nothing of the original story remained
Almost nothing of the story's surface, yes. Though I never heard about there only being two witches in the beginning. Got a source on that?
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>>160564384
https://pastebin.com/TUV8u3yq

>Q: If arc 4 had gone according to the original plotline, wouldn’t only Subaru, Emilia, Roswaal, and the witch group appeared? The cast is needlessly dense. It doesn’t have enough thin characters, such as Otto.
>A: Garfiel and Frederica were there too, you know? The witch group, on the other hand, would have been just Echidna. Well, but it really wouldn’t have changed that much.
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>>160557604
>What would her challenges as a royal candidate be?
Pregnancy scandal.
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>>160564808
Huh. And the way they talk about an original plotline, that sounds like they're deliberately asking about the pre-Rem plot. That would be pretty interesting if Rem's inclusion in the plot is what brought about the whole Sin theme.
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>>160565064
Rem is what strayed Subaru from the Pureness of Emilia
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>>160554847
>The reason Emilia showed up in the valley was because she was looking for her insignia. What would be Rem's reason of being there?
emilia was only there because roswaal planned all this shit, so he can do the same shit with Rem like "in the city are some witchcultist"

anyway just wait for the new IF next year, maybe tappei does a similiar story like this,
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>>160565164
Joke about it all you like, but would the Greed angle have worked out in Arc 4 if Rem wasn't there? Rem's inclusion changed how Tappei wrote Subaru's personality. It's possible he never even thought about the whole Sloth angle to Arc 3 in his first iteration, and it only became a thing as he started outlining the whole From Zero scene and the impact Rem would have on Subaru.
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>>160565164
>>160565592
Are you saying that Rem is supposed to be "evil"?
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“Petra was suffering to the brink of tears, weakened to the point that breathing was a struggle. Even so, she’d expressed concern for her friend rather than saying the words save me.
She was a weak little girl, but the life of her friend came before her own.
“…I want to do what Petra asked me to. If we’re gonna pick one up, we might as well do our best to pick ’em all up.”
“You are too greedy. If you pick up too much, you might end up dropping everything on the floor.”
“You’re here to make sure that doesn’t happen, Rem.”

>>160565592
I really can't say because from what I've heard of the original alpha draft so much as changed. I kind of look at Subaru's greed as he looks for reasons to do things, reasons to live with Rem's hero/Emilia's knight and how he takes other people's problems as his own. He truely became greedy when he vowed to the witches he wouldn't let anyone die with his power.
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>>160566327
Not evil but sin inducing
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>>160566327
>"evil"?
No.
>>160566343
>He truely became greedy when he vowed to the witches he wouldn't let anyone die with his power.
Yes, but would any of that have had the same weight if Rem hadn't been in the story? Also, the kid Subaru talked to wasn't Petra in the WN, but I don't recall if any other details were different.
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>>160566343
To add on to this, when has Subaru ever strayed from a challenge?

The only time was From:Zero'ed, and he gave up after watching everyone he cared about die several times, especially Rem and how she sacrificed herself for him. He felt like he owed her something. Which is when she introduced Rem's hero as her payment.
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>>160566343
>“You are too greedy. If you pick up too much, you might end up dropping everything on the floor.”
“You’re here to make sure that doesn’t happen, Rem.”

I also find it nice that Rem's erasure was foreshadowed here.

>>160566684
It wouldn't have as much weight without Rem for sure. Tappei added her for a reason, what I really want to know who was the brainchild behind her because Tappei said he bounced a lot of ideas off his friend when writing the story.
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>>160566701
>when has Subaru ever strayed from a challenge?
Subaru almost gave up again in that one scene in arc 4...
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>>160567426
Which one?
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>>160566956
>bounced a lot of ideas off his friend when writing the story.
Didn't his friend mostly just listen? Rem was already in the draft as a minor character. She got promoted after the mansion Arc was added and Tappei realized he needed someone to From Zero Subaru. Which apparently caused the story surface to be overhauled and shifted the framework.

If the other Witches weren't in the original draft, that makes it sound like the Sin thing hadn't been worked out yet. Which could fit with how Subaru's personality changed a lot from the original draft.
>>160566486
Does this really look Sin-inducing to you?
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>>160567468
Carmilla scene.
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>>160509189
it's shit in the LN she punched him
>>160527209
>>160526564
>Emilia still knew to not fall for Subaru's dick that fast and instead decided to work harder to earn that #1 spot.

emilia loves him since the beginning but shes doesn't know that because she doesn't know what love is, you they kissed in arc 4 and this is 1 month after arc1, stop acting that emilia is not a easy girl,

where subaru thinks Rem is too good and he doesn't derserve her unlike emilia

>>160531320
>cuck
>when rem cucked emilia many times
>first date
>first love confession
sad
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>>160566343
>“You are too greedy. If you pick up too much, you might end up dropping everything on the floor.”
>“You’re here to make sure that doesn’t happen, Rem.”
Where is this from? Also, Subaru sounds so whipped there.
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>>160568212
>Where is this from? Also, Subaru sounds so whipped there.
Arc 2. And Subaru is very easily influenced by girls, if you hadn't noticed.
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>>160568349
>by girls
Like all girls, or just Rem, Emilia, and somewhat Beako? I don't think Ram or Petra or some other girls could influence his personality at all.
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>>160568212
If you hadn't noticed Subaru is very whipped
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>>160568642
He's not into flat chicks or lolis.
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>>160568068
>emilia loves him since the beginning
Nigger what the fuck are you talking about
>>160523754
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>>160568936
But Rem and Subaru weren't that close at that point. It's so weird that Subaru's already been whipped by Rem since they first met while he never shows that side to any other girl. It's like Rem is Subaru's Kryptonite or some shit.
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>>160569839
He doesn't even come across as whipped in that scene you were talking about above. Or the one you posted.
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>>160569741
maybe you reread the next part too?

she's not aware that the feelings she has for him is love,
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>>160572069
I added the second part,
>from the beginning
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>>160564808
Not even Ram was in the original plot? I don't like that version of the story already.
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