How can "Your Name" ever recover from this?

Wow!

ZEN ZEN ZENSE

>Yuuta was 12-year-old boy, who had lost his father in the traffic accident one year ago. In the summer vacation, he visited a deserted dam deep in the mountains, where he had a good time with his father before.
>Suddenly a thunder storm occurred and he slipped on the ground. He lost consciousness and woke up to find a girl and an unfamiliar village. He time-traveled 30 years and reached a village, which sank at the bottom of the dam.
>This is Yuuta's precious memory of "another" summer vacation.

what the fuck

It doesn't need to.
It's already most profitable anime of all time.

KIMI TO ZEN ZEN ZENSE

>>160308239
insane resemblance 2bh

>>160308239
Shinkai did it better anyway.

That's pretty bad, but unfortunately, it'll be totally overlooked because barely anybody cares about this sort of thing.

>>160310271
nah

>>160308239
Yeah except one is actually good while the other is a literal who

>>160308239
we knew he was a hack.

Is the original thing avaible in English somewhere?

>>160311081
They're the same thing. You're literally just defending someone to make yourself feel better.

>10,376 views

10,000 views in a day.
RIP Shinkai.

>>160308239
Why the fuck did he just get the same running sequence from another movie

>>160308239
HAHAHHAHAHAHA EXPOSED

>>160308239
lol

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>>160308239

>>160311677
because he's a hack.

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>>160308239
Oh shit.

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"Anime was a mistake. It's all the same shit."

>>160312095
Hyopcrite. Go back to bed gramps. No respectable adult will ever find value in your creations. If they say otherwise it's because they want your money.

>>160312615
Why is Mitsuha evil?

I hope Shinkai dies in a fire. Literally the Coelho of anime.

>>160312656
Girls are evil by default

>>160312690
This was a paid-for homage. Though at that point I wonder why they didn't also place the soap etc at the exact same location.

>>160312719
At least Miyazaki will die in your lifetime.

https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/25591
https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/36789

The video is somewhat dishonest with the comparisons by cherrypicking shots, the full sequences play out differently. Odds are they're just generic ways of framing a scene hence the similarities.

>>160312997
>the full sequences play out differently
No they don't.....

>>160312997
Damage Control

>All that nips in comment
this gonna be ogre

What? It doesn't make zen zen zense to me at all.

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they deleted my post in minutes. kek

>>160314485
Users can delete comments on their posts. There's this one person that keeps uploading unimpressive One Piece stills too. I don't think it's a staff thing.

IYO IYO IYO

>>160311248
Yeah.

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>trying to throw some dirt on the film by cherrypicking because people can't stand the movie's success
>when Kimi clearly did it better

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>>160315059
Yeah, I found it.

>>160315126
Wrong on both ends.

>>160310271
just because the visuals are better doesn't change anything, copying s certain style is still douche move

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This is reaching and pretty petty for something so miniscule.

Calling it a rip off is just overkill.

>>160308239
First Shinkai cheats on his wife and now this? What a hack.

>>160315126
DAMAGE CONTROL

>>160315243
>reaching
>literally sequence for sequence

>>160315243
>posting the superior movie anyway
Sasuga Lelouch

>>160309174
Nijiiro Hotaru is a pretty good film. I watched it years ago and always liked it. Mostly found out about it because japanese sakuga nerds loved it. Was a bit of a flop though.

>>160315243
The scenes that are there are clearly ripped off. It's not just a little similar. Not that it ruins the film or anything. Plenty of sequences in anime are repeated in very much the same way.

>>160315330
It isn't though, look at the full scenes. >>160312997
Some of the framing is similar of course, but they are such textbook shots that any director can come up with them. Layout-wise they aren't identical though.

>>160315297
Spam your caps more, this "news" don't really phase me. Bet you're really happy about it though.

>>160315422
I did. It's literally sequence for sequence.

>>160315177
The animation in Kimi no na wa is vastly superior though. The running and falling motions have more believable weight to them.

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>>160315398
I haven't watched YN yet but I don't see why this would bother anyone.

People don't know what Okiura has done/worked on, People take inspiration from stuff they like and it's certainly occurs a lot in anime and there is nothing wrong with it.

>>160315471
The parts running down the hill don't entirely match up and like I said, these are all typical shots anyway.

>>160315478
So now you're suddenly talking about animation? Something that can't be objectively measured and 'superior' isn't even a descriptor at that.

>>160315471
You're trying too hard. You're even repeating posts.

>>160315575
Next thing you're going to tell me two different people did those shots and they're from two different movies so they're not literally the same. Were they also created in different time periods?

>>160315587
not an argument

>>160315576
>Shinkai invented animating people running down hills

>muh traditional cliche running shit
>plagiarism

Every studio has frames like those.

>>160315646
You're being obtuse on purpose?

>>160315731
Go pick out another film that matches with the same closeness then. Should be fairly easy if they are so common. Watch as nobody fucking does it.

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>>160315613
Dude, you're reaching so hard right now. Anything can be the truth once you're salty about it enough. You only give a shit about it since the movie made billions. Else, it's a non-issue.

>>160315802
Honestly it just sounds like you are denying the obvious in order to defend something you like rather than the other way around to me.

This is like denying that Nolan took inspiration from Kon.

>>160315769
>Random ass countryside village with a teenager running down hill
>somehow rare
Are you serious?

>>160315802
Projecting.

>>160315851
I'm waiting for you to pick out another anime film that follows the same sequence and has the same shots with the same framing and the characters moving it the same fashion.

Come on its so common it should be easy. If you can't then you shouldn't bother replying unless it is to admit you are wrong.

>>160315851
Still waiting. If you're being daft on purpose about what is being plagiarized here then that will come clear once you provide evidence for your claims.

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>>160308239

>Shinkai invented running in streets

>>160315916
I don't really think its "plagiarising" as such that goes too far really. Its more like what is called "taking inspiration from" in creative circles. Shinkai probably saw that sequence and thought it was good so wanted something like it in his film.

Great artists steal anyway, if anything this is a confirmation of Shinkai's genius. I look forward to seeing which movie he rips off in his next work.

>>160315998
>but I don't think
Again. What you think is irrelevant. If you're not going to prove your claims then this is pretty much 1:1 plagiarised.

>>160315646
>>160315576

Running is really hard of animate, you see TV anime characters have this slow walk or static poses; in movies you see a lot of running scenes.

>>160315912
I'm not that interested in proving you wrong, particularly because if you never saw this scene before you started watching anime last month.

>>160315983
you're literally too retarded if you think it's only "running in streets"

>>160316077
Literally nothing you've said so far is true or relevant for that matter.

>>160316079
>still no proof
>just more ad hominem

>>160316076
I'm not the person arguing there is no similarity. I am the other person arguing there is. Just saying calling it plagiarism isn't helpful when that isn't really what it is. It is what is commonly referred to as taking inspiration. It's how tropes, styles, visual queues and such are established. Nobody says it's plagiarism of Dezaki when somebody does a postcard moment.

>>160316079
I saw Nijiro Hotaru years ago maybe 2014? And have seen just about every anime film of note ever released.

>>160308239
Probably had some of the same animators. They made the same scene because it's their "style". I don't think you can call this plagiarism on a directorial standpoint.

>>160308239
2ch can't into hunt for real plagiary and jumping at shadows in 99 cases out of 100. This one of those cases.

WHERE IS THAT FUCKING GAMBLE RUMBLE MAD FUCK ALL OF YOU BAKA

>>160316857

FUCK IT here's the shitty nightcore version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riIIM9orIS8

>>160316207
I'm not the person arguing there is no similarity. I am the other person arguing there is. Just saying calling it taking inspiration isn't helpful when that isn't really what it is. It is what is commonly referred to as plagiarism. It's how tropes, styles, visual queues and such are copied sequence by sequence.

Can anyone produce webms of both of those running scenes, so they can be compared in full, back to back?
Anyone can make this look bad if they edit it right.

>>160317022
there's not much editing being done. It's a pretty faithful representation if I say so myself.

>>160316895

Nothing is new under the anime sun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECyMAed2LEI

Le gasp!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWKo5veKjVU

>>160317150
these are all from Disney.

>>160317221
Yeah, and it's called https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_footage

>>160317321
No, you're being obtuse about what is being plagiarised here. Disney holds the copyright to all of those clips.

>>160317150
>le
Those are all repurposed cells, and they're all disney, so it's not the same.
>>160317321
Stock footage is not plagiarism.

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>>160308239
Oh boy.

So are there more copied sequences or just this one scene that has to be blacked out multiple because it doesn't match up the entire way through?

>>160317559
I'm sure if you dig deep enough

>>160308239
>that dislike bar
Are the Japs in denial?

>>160316958
Taking ideas from other pieces of art and integrating them into your own simply isn't plagiarism. It's just taking inspiration from other artists. It's how art and artists develop and advance. People see someone do something they like and then think "I like that I might try doing something similar I think could work in my art". It's how ideas generally work people building upon other people's ideas.

Didn't Naruto adapt a shot for shot fight from Bebop, and nobody gave a shit?

>>160317628
I think maybe they want better evidence than an edited youtube video.
Both sequences need to be seen in full to say how much something was or wasn't stolen, and if the cels weren't stolen, who cares?

>>160317628
jesus that shit blew up, was at 70% likes last time I saw it.

>>160317629
If you're not going to respond to me don't reply.

>>160317753
Yes, and the Boondocks adapted a shot for shot fight from the first Sasuke versus Orochimaru fight from Naruto.

Anime in general does this often and nobody bats an eye, so why is Your Name the exception to the rule?

>>160317819
because ghibli-biblys are booty blasted

>>160317756
this is some hardcore denial.

>>160308239
Shinkaifags will defend this

>>160317863
nice argument old man.

>>160317890
are you stupid?

>>160317871
I am undecided. Can you show me both of those sequences, unedited? I am not able to download both films at this moment, so I can't see for myself.
Provide evidence apart from a video of spurious credibility, and I will believe you.

>>160317882
I didn't like this movie even before this news came out. Personally I don't care about plagiarism as a viewer. I just really dislike this movie.

>>160317801
I just did respond to you explaining why this isn't plagiarism after you claimed it was. I guess you really don't have anything to argue back with if you are going to refuse to engage with that.

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I have to agree with the japs in the comment section saying that it's a homage and even if it is indeed a rip-off, it's small enough to be excused as a homage.

>>160317753
It only matters whenever somebody wants to be salty about something for no reason.

>>160318003
if you think that you did, I'm telling you you thought wrong

>>160317628
also because bad japanese voiceover

>>160308239
Who even gives a fuck about some old-
>2012
Okay, that's fucking terrible, they should at least pay the guys, at least

>>160308239
>when you famous and some people hate you

>watch video
>different animations
>different locations
>literally nothing
And once again great 2ch detectives going with pants full of shit.

>>160318008
>>have to agree with the japs
Top comments:
率直に凄い - Frankly amazing

よく見つけたね - You found it well.

なわけねぇだろと思ったらまったく同じで森 -It is exactly the same with the forest

>>160317756
The animation definitely isn't one-for-one as the movements are nothing alike and both movies had their respective scenes done by skilled animators, especially the one in Your Name whereby that animator is seen as one of the best in the industry.

worst case scenario he ripped of 40s in something like a 1h30m film

Could be just a coincidence ..no?
if you were gonna rip off other movies and get away with it why not just keep ripping things off.

40s on a mediocre and non memorable sequence..
Jesus Christ

>>160318242
>as one of the best in the industry.
Yeah. Just like Miyazaki is...

>>160318240
>muh top comments
Stick your upboats up your ass.

これをパクりと表現するかオマージュと表現するか見てきた作品の数が個々のリアクションに表れていて面白いね

演出のこういうのオマージュって言うんだよ、こんなのどこでもある。

まあこれくらいならオマージュで言い逃れ出来るな

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>>160318126
It's done in a disrespectful way since the uploader intentionally pick an English robot voice. So not only are shinkaihaters salty, but they're also racist towards the japanese as well. Only the japanese though. They love black people just fine.

>>160318037
Explain what it is in your post you think I haven't responded to. If you can't do that then you are just shitposting and avoiding engaging at this point due to having nothing. The only thing I can think is you think I am ignoring "sequence for sequence" which I am not at all. I have already pointed out and acknowledge all the similarities myself. My previous post >>160317629 here was directly addressing that.

>>160318327
Your silly Miyazaki mention aside, Hiroyuki Okiura is indeed recognized by many people in the industry as one of the best animators.

>>160318382
I'm not obligated to teach a man how to fish.

>>160318405
Just like Miyazaki is 'recognized by many'

>>160318373
So is he just saying he saw it and thought "thats what people are talking about its nothing" basically?

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>>160318373
Problem solved, everyone go home.

>>160318437
We're talking about his peers in the same industry, not critics even. Okiura is one of the leading animators in the realistic style of animation.

>>160318161
the falling scene is from Toki wo kakeru shoujo (2006), from Hosoda.

>>160318437
See, you aren't even willing to have a discussion. You are a shitposter with no idea what the fuck he is talking about and nothing more.

>>160318437
I have read yours and his chain of responses. It's ridiculous that you aren't satisfied. Maybe you had no idea what you were talking about in the first place, if all you can do is move the goalposts.

>>160318373
>I wouldn't call it plagiarism exactly
wew

>>160318486
>toki waki shakeru kojonobobo from Honda-kun
in english?

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>>160308239
I fucking hate Kimi no shitter bait, but this is just fucking pathetic
2ch shitters need to try a lot harder with their straw grasping if they want anyone to take this shit seriously

>>160318506
自殺しようください。

>>160318506
Watch more movies instead of Dragon Ball Super.

>>160308239
Wow, the shot of people running through a rural city might look a little similar. The animation looks completely different, and despite the towns being similar I'm sure you can find other anime that have similar layouts to both of those towns.

>>160318481
As I said. Just like Miyazaki.

>>160318492
>shitposter
stopped reading there

>>160318496
>I'm reading and not contributing, neither is this reply going to be a contribution.
Good to know

>>160318597
Not much point in comparing animators with directors but Miyazaki is good indeed.

>>160318575
I think that maybe there are only so many ways to lay out a rural town, and only so many shots one can make of someone running through a rural town.

>>160318597
Maybe you'll make a post that actually says something sometime today.

>>160318572
I can't find it on AB. Is there some sort of alias?

>>160318660
Google it, retard.

>>160318660
I'm afraid you're beyond help mate

>>160318575
>defending a hack
lmao
let's just ignore the fack that they make the exact same turns, with the exact same storyboards and camera angles, and they for fall exactly the same way, and all that

>>160318575
> I'm sure you can find other anime that have similar layouts to both of those towns.
if you are so sure, why don't you do it yourself?

>>160318651
The guy doesn't even know who Okiura is. He just came here to squawk plagarism to shit on something popular. Same reason he will shit on Miyazaki. Nothing but a walking shitposting meme.

>>160318702
Google it yourself and pretend you get a result out of it.

>>160318705
Sorry I called Your Name a shitty movie. Maybe you could grow a thicker skin.

>>160318572
I've never seen Super lol. I watch good animes.

>>160318781
No worries, at least you're learning some humility. Keep it up and perhaps one day you'll be able to convince people to help you.

>>160308239
Well, it recover by doing nothing.
See:>>160318373

>>160318851
?

What I'm having trouble understanding is where is the negative connotation in the scenes being similar? Before immediately thinking that "it's bad because it's a ripoff", try thinking why this particular scene was chosen in the first place. There's the element of desperation, the rush adrenaline that flows with the character running and seeing the shifting environment as they run. It is possible that Kimi no na wa's choice in the capturing of this scene elevates the notion that desperation causes individuals to run in similar or same lines, and that repeated thoughts and actions can match equally for different situations without anyone knowing it. There can be a lot to go in depth with the choosing of this scene, but it is something that spurs different interpretations. Nevertheless, I do not see it as being inherently bad, nor does it affect what both films accomplish in the long sense of their own individual direction.

>>160318707
>lmao
Stopped reading right there.

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>>160318924
What is this load of bollocks you just made me read

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>>160318781
Fuck you.

>>160319057
Try working your noggin a little next time, brainlet.

>>160319067
>toki waki shakeru kojonobobo from Honda-kun
Now in English?

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>>160308239

>>160319236
The Night Is Short, Walk on Girl

It's just another downhill scene guys, here is a practically identical one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fxg8il1gUI

>>160319295
Spoonfeeders should be banned.

>>160319338
it's not about spoonfeeding. It's about you using hepburn like some wannabe weeb

>>160318924
>>160319117
So tl;dr both of the characters are in 「D E S P E R A T I O N」therefore Shinkai decided to choose that scene to copy since the characters are experiencing the same emotion of 「D E S P E R A T I O N」and "he's copying the same shot composition s and movements to express human nature and the nature of emotions guise!" therefore plagiarism is excused.
Bollocks

>>160319478
Except it needs to be proved that it's plagiarism in the first place. Even the director of the other movie said that it's not plagiarism.

>>160319391
Found the ironic weeb

>>160319684
I'm not the one using hepburn.

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>>160319538
>makes valid post about how mimicry can be used as a method of artistic expression and gives opinion on how it's not inherently a bad thing
>immediately U-turns and says "yeah that wasn't plagiarism after all sorry guys"
Hngghhh

>>160319878
That wasn't my original post, idiot. I'm saying he's correct, but that statement is only necessary if it's plagiarism in the first place, which it isn't.

>>160319295
Now I unironically want to see this movie

>gasping at straws
might as well complain everytime someone uses dutch angles.

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>>160319957
>That wasn't my original post
A N N O N Y M O U S
I M A G E
B O A R D

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I've had this argument on here a lot before, it's possible for the storyboarder to copy the scene and then everyone involved beyond that (layout, key animator, inbetweener) to be unaware of the plagiarism, I mean it has to be the case that the plagiarism at least starts from the storyboard onwards, otherwise the chosen shots wouldn't be what they are.

And as such there's no real reason to pin any blame on Hiroyuki Okiura. If the animation matches up precisely then he's definitely in on the plagiarism. If it's merely similar then he could be in on it or he could have no idea. When you see something like this you really need to evaluate the extent of the discrepancies to know where to pin the blame.

Really I think the fault should just lie at Shinkai. Think about it, just how much he makes a point of copying from photos - that's unavoidable to an extent, and done a lot across both the manga and anime industries, not to mention Shinkai's particular brand of hyper-real background art, but they'll openly flaunt the photos they've used and allow them to be compared with the final art showing that it is, essentially, a copied photo.

And then there's his previous film Lost Voices of Children in the Valley Below or whatever its title was, where it was a shameless mishmash of clearly Ghibli inspired concepts, like it was actually trying to be a Ghibli film and even the character design looked Ghibli-esque.

I mean I see this sort of shameless unoriginality from not just Japan but Korea and especially China too, so it's not limited to Shinkai, but it's like, in a country where plenty of stuff is unoriginal like this, the difference between "unoriginal, but whatever" and "unoriginal, and that's a fucking outrage" is a much finer line than it would be in the west.

>>160320186
The director of the original said it's not.
>>160318373

>>160308239
What fucking language is that?

>>160308239
is the one on the left all in sequence? Or was it edited together to appear to be one after the other?

>>160315769
>He think it's not common
Go check Hinako Note OP for the latest example, you dumbass.

>>160320790
And? That's irrelevant, isn't it? He wasn't involved in the making of the end product, which is the thing that's under scrutiny here, so he has no authority with this statement. Not to mention you can't expect him to agree with the accusation because it'll likely have a detrimental effect on his career, just like you can't expect Shinkai to own up to it, either.

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>>160321417
>the director of said show that apparently Your Name copied from said it's not a rip off.
>is irrelevant.

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>>160318373
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good find but what's with the autistic meltdown?

>>160321482
Yes. People have an image to uphold.

>>160321509
I fed up with 4channers and 2ch'er tring to bring Shinkai into the mud they're in.

>>160321329
the last cut with the fall isn't part of the other scenes, it's edited in to make it look worse

>>160320186
> I mean I see this sort of shameless unoriginality
I sure hope you aren't calling using photos you took as backgorunds "shameless unoriginality," because that's just stupid. Hell, even Lost Voices, though you're right about it being Ghibli lite, isn't remotely plagiaristic, and would be "unoriginal, but whatever" tier no matter where you are. This storyboard shit is the only part that would cause a real stir anywhere, and frankly I don't see the point of being outraged over it anyway.

>>160321482
He's right, though. That guy doesn't have any special authority over whether it's factually a ripoff, this isn't a court of law or anything.

>>160321595
you're not going to be able to stop them from acting like fags so just ignore them

It already made tons of dosh, you can't change the past.

>>160321704
I can if I become a cute girl who lives in the past.

I'm checking out the movie to find the scene and I gotta say, it's pretty funny that the themes of the movie are the exact opposite. While Your Name plays off the dream of being able to change fate, this other one is about the inevitability of death and being unable to change fate

>>160321704
You literally could though. It's why copyright law exists in the first place.


>>160321851
hugh? guess Your Name isn't a rip-off after all!

>>160321882
Not what I was getting at, take your auspie meds, I'm still trying to find the scene linked in the op

>>160321917
I found the vid, how can I record webm?

>>160322114
no idea, what time in the movie is it at? I'm sitting here trying to thumb through 100 mins on mobile

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>>160321417
>hey, this guy just did something similar to yours!
>director: nah it's fine brah
>n-NO! i need something to whine about!

>>160322170
He created this thread to shit on Kimi no Na wa nd farm for (You)'s. Taking him seriously was your mistake.

>>160321482
>>160322170
I argued my point pretty clearly, didn't I?

He has no authority on whether it wasn't copied because he wasn't there when the latter film was produced. So all he's basing his statement on is his possession of the same observational capabilities that the rest of us have.

And he's likely to not agree with the accusation because he won't want to be burning any current or future bridges.

I mean, I'm just repeating myself here because your post didn't tackle anything I said.

>>160321660
>I sure hope you aren't calling using photos you took as backgorunds "shameless unoriginality," because that's just stupid.
I'm not, because as I said in my post which you've just read, it's a technique that's used a lot across the industry. My point is he's dependent on it to a pretty large extent, that much is clear at least with his backgrounds, and how shamelesly he shows off his utilisation of that approach, so it's a pattern of behaviour that's pretty deeply ingrained in him which I propose is likely to mean he'll have a propensity to resort to a similar approach whenever he's struggling to come up original ideas in other aspects of filmmaking (a la that outright Miyazaki wannabe film).

>>160322170
>oh no there's public outcry
>gotta protect my career

>>160322246
I'm not the OP, why would you make that assumption, why would you state it as fact?

>>160322309
>>gotta protect my career
protect from what

>>160322333
I'm not the OP either. I just came here to argue with simpletons. Maybe we can team up, bro.

>>160322366
You might just be stupid. Ever thought about that? It's why you find such cringy perverted movies as Your Name anything but insomnia curing.

Found the scene, it's at 25:30. It's composed of 19 scene changes and lasts for a minute and a half. The clips in the first scene are edited together to make them look one after the other.

Also I still haven't found the trip scene, it's at another point in the movie. If anyone find it let me know.
>>160322441
Never even said I like Your Name, I'm just trying to find the scene in the OP to compare.
>It's why you find such cringy perverted movies as Your Name anything but insomnia curing.
You have amusingly strong feeling about this anime movie

>>160322651
>you're just feeling strong
>you're amusing
Pathetic. This sort of weak downplay of my argument only re-affirms my suspicions.

>>160322651
>>160322114
Forgot to link, also they seem to be running from an old man, the context behind the scene is much different.

>>160322730
You forget the point he made where the scene was cobbled together. Where's your argument there?

>>160322730
>Pathetic. This sort of weak downplay of my argument only re-affirms my suspicions.
suspicious of what exactly?

>>160322651
>Also I still haven't found the trip scene, it's at another point in the movie. If anyone find it let me know.
It's from The Girl Who Leapt Through Time - a different movie. You didn't notice?

I see that scene get copied a lot, not usually the moment where she trips, the the long take ("take") of her running in a tracking shot, the bit animated by Ryochimo. It's become subtly iconic, I think.

>>160322829
>You didn't notice
I'm not intelligent. I had to see Your Name three times in the cinemas in order to understand that they were both from different timezones.

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>>160322971
>both from different timezones.

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>>160322829
wait it's not even from the same fucking movie? The fuck was it edited it in then? A trip scene isn't significant at all, what was significant was that it was shown to happen in succession of the previous scenes in series (which weren't).

I mean fuck, if you want to talk about the two significant parts (running past the house and then running on a high road while looking down scenes) then discuss that.

The fuck is with people hating this movie to the extent that they have to dicier and create this weirdly exaggerated plagiarism message

>>160308239
Who really cares? You see this all the time and it only matters when one is more successful than the other. The Japanese have never been original with their ideas. But, who has not never been caught copying someone in the media. Star Wars copied Valerian, causing the movie to move away from it's original ideas and not use the tropes that it founded, but what everyone else is doing. Miyazaki ripped a lot of ideas from Fleischer's superman and people never call him out on this.No Name was a mediocre film that never stood out. Only the Japanese and Weeaboos like it for the whole lost connections plot.

Reminder that anon's v1 subs are now out
https://nyaa.si/view/942790

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>>160322786
It having been cobbled together isn't really an argument against the shots having been plagiariased. Most of it is big chunks of consecutive shots. It's not impossible for someone who copied something to have not copied it wholesale. It's not like you're ctrl+c ctrl+v'ing it and calling it a day. You're not copying it to spend less physical energy, you doing it to spend less mental energy. You're still essentially recreating it from the ground up, which means, while not having spent the mental energy to create the whole thing from scratch, you're still likely to be fine tuning it to suit your needs while you're putting it together, especially since, you'd only be obligated to have the copy be more exact if it was your intention for the fact it's copied to be noticed, rather than not.

The chances of it being 1:1 are pretty slim.

>>160323054
>hate
Stop

>>160323126
I wouldn't want to see his movie even if you paid me to

>>160323140
But everyone already knows that blacks have to steal. (money, wallet, animation, etc)

>>160318209
Yeah, it's more of a homage than anything else.

>>160323140
So it's copied to a legal degree to be considered plagiarizing or it's not 1:1 enough to be considered plagiarized?

>>160323368
>plagiarizing
Watch more media in general. This barely qualifies as homage.

>>160323140
>>160323368
>>160323410
I'll chime in here. Only scenes that are connected together are running past the house and the side shot looking down the cliff, everything else is much more spread out and flat out not part of the same scene or even the same movie.

The only 1:1 part is from 0:08-0:23, and that even has a few cuts in it from Your Name

So we're talking about 15 seconds max out of over 6000 seconds

>>160323054
Well as I said, it's a scene that's referred to a lot - not only that, but it's the similarity of the events of the shot and how the shot is framed that's being called into question, not the consecutive replication of them. That only serves to further the validity of the accusation.

I mean, if you compare the shots, notice how they both bounce up off the ground similarly. It's a characteristic that's been carried over, but while Makoto's roll is entirely kinetic and bounces a bunch of times, Mitsuha's roll isn't nearly as kinetic, and yet she still bounces at the end, which doesn't quite flow as well.

I agree putting that in there has less weight behind it. It doesn't discredit the accusation on the whole, though.

People really like grasping at straws to find their next plagiarism drama, don't they?

>>160323269
okay

>>160323504
I'd honestly completely dismiss the trip and roll

>>160323472
>So we're talking about 15 seconds max out of over 6000 seconds
bingo, I'm willing to discuss whether they copied these scenes, but the idea that the creator is a "hack" or that somehow the movie is in anyway diminished in it's worth is fucking retarded

>>160323472
The amount to which order of the shots match up doesn't matter nearly as much as the number of shots which not only depict the same thing but are framed in the same way and all come from the same scene does. That alone would more than likely be enough to make a case. If the order of the shots did match up, that would be a stronger case, if that shot of her tripping and rolling was sourced from the same scene rather than a different movie, that would be an even stronger case.

But it's still a relatively strong case regardless of that.

>>160323810
>But it's still a relatively strong case regardless of that.
Yeah, you're pretty much the only one here that believes that.

is it copied? probably

but its not even as big of a deal as the naruto-cowboy bebop thing. shit doesnt line up anywhere near as good as that did.

It's not like the same action sequences get reused to hell and back in anime or anything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mst1wQSe-cY

>>160312690
who copied who?

>>160324024
fuck, not even anime, the entire ending to star wars is copy pasted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNdb03Hw18M

and we're not talking about something looking the same, we're down to plot and dialog

anyone who really thinks the OP's clip means plagiarism is a newfag

>>160315613
they're created in a different timeline.

>>160324226
Are you not aware of the copyright laws in 1977?

>>160315802
that guy better ask for his share.

>>160324303
but then who was phone?

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>>160323105
>Miyazaki ripped a lot of ideas from Fleischer's superman
I don't know how much you're referring to by "a lot" but if you're just talking about the episode of Lupin III with the robots that would eventually end up in Laputa, I'd say it was a pretty knowing homage. It was playing around with the idea of it, without resorting to anything like the straight up replication of storyboarding.

I mean, you know, this shit happens at various aspects and to varying degrees.

>>160323912
I came into this discussion pretty late so that's unequivocally false. But regardless of that, and I don't want to insult you here, I think my critical faculties are pretty refined at this point, and I've mused over and discussed examples of this sort of thing for years. Is it plagiarism? Is it homage? To what extent can you claim it's bad? Is the accusation valid in the first place? Are all anime fights just rotoscoped from a Bruce Lee movie? Never are the conclusions the same, and they're usually up for debate.

Except for the Bruce Lee thing. There's never been any validity to that claim, and it should be a fucking easy claim to prove.

I've already explained why there's enough similarity here to make the claim. The arguments against it aren't particularly solid. How "bad" it is is the thing that's truly up for debate.

>>160317436
Don't the Japanese reuse animation frames?

>>160324378
>I've mused over and discussed examples of this sort of thing for years.
So this is kind of like your hobby? I guess that's why your critical faculties are so much more refined than mine.

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>>160324016
>but its not even as big of a deal as the naruto-cowboy bebop thing. shit doesnt line up anywhere near as good as that did.
In these different examples it's at different points in the production process that the apparent plagiarism takes place.

The Naruto example is almost exact, so it not only happened at the storyboarding level, but carried on through to the animation level, so some guy was literally copying it frame by frame, after another guy copied just the mere idea of it and then told him, "here, I copied this in this scene, you do it too" and then the animator agrees to do it and now at least two people are in on it.

But it's brief, right, because at it's lowest resolution, all that's happening that's the same is "those two characters are punching each other" and it only ended up being two shots that were exactly the same. So the creative bankruptcy isn't massively extensive, nothing else in the whole scene was so similar.

But here we have a scene where at a low resolution it's just "a character is running somewhere quite desperately on a hill and takes shortcuts from a road through some bushes", which is already quite a lot more similar. And the framing of particular shots while particular events happen in them matches up nearly exactly - but the order of the shots doesn't match exactly, the scene isn't copied wholesale, and the animation itself doesn't remotely match up.

So here we have what appears to be just one person copying something - more people may be aware of it but there's no direct evidence of that. The copy has a broader scope to it, it happened at a level where the person doing it is more creatively responsible. I would really argue that this one is a bigger deal. It's less immediately obvious, but it's a bigger deal.

None of it is a fucking big deal. It's two or three cuts from an entire film in a creative industry where in it's commonplace for ideas of others to be incorporated into other people's works. I mean seriously half of the shit that's in every show today started off because one person did it then a bunch of people saw it and copied it. Like the Dezaki postcard memory shots someone mentioned earlier. Started off being one directors thing now everybody and his dog does it.

Things like Chinese copies of whole show concepts that happen are far closer to plagiarism than borrowing a few ideas on how to execute a certain type of scene. All art evolves this way.

>>160325750
>It's two or three cuts
Six, not counting the two from Tokikake.

>>160308239
>Good artists copy, great artists steal.
>John Lennon

>>160324136
Left came first. I don't care.

>>160328390
It's always sad when someone is this desperate to save his own shitty thread everyone lost interest and sits there waiting for every time it gets to the bottom of page 10 to bump it with inane comments.

>>160328467
Literally my first post ITT

>>160328503
Sure thing pal.