What is the most shitty ass-pull you have seen on an anime?

>>160260854
O

>>160260854
The entirety of Fairy tail desu, but the guild returning from that island years later was really something else.

>>160260893
MY

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>>160260854
Wasn't Bleach just basically just asspull after asspull, to the point where there were no fucking stakes.
>New villain shows up and beats up Ichigo
>Ichigo fucks off to medite/search for power
>Ichigo returns unleashing space magic and deafeats bad guy with a fling of his rist
>Repeat until the audience starts hemorrhaging.

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>>160260989
OCEAN DREAM

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>>160260893
>>160260989

>>160260854
Naruto and Sasuke dying (or at least nearly dying), and coming back even stronger than ever, because they met the Six Paths sage in the (Semi?)afterlife.

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>>160260854

Maybe not the biggest but it's the one that deserves more criticism than it has ever received.

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>>160261008
Hey, hey guys. I know the Soul Society arc was genuinely great, but what do you guys think the series would be like if it never happened and it continued from the Karakura arc without going into the main formula of "Ichigo is defeated, trains, gets sick new power, defeats villain."

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this nigga right here

>>160261265
It wouldn't be like anything because there was nothing to Bleach before the Soul Society arc.

what makes something an ass pull anyway. Something you feel goes beyond being an arbitrary instigator for subsequent interaction.

>>160260989
TINGLING

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>>160260925

Beat me to it

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>>160261632
An ass pull is putting a character in a bad situation and instead of him trying to find a way to overcome like making a plan or setting a trap to turn the tables, the lazy writer decides to reveal something to the audience in the last second and boom the character that was losing is now winning or at least surviving

>>160260854
These three are the biggest asspulls imo:

1. ________________O________________

2. _______________________MY_______________________

3. _______________RUBBER_______________

Honorable mention:
________NEN________

>>160260893
fpbp

>>160261700
BACK

Gold experience requiem

>>160260854
Darker than Black S2. The whole setup is just a complete ass pull and a huge letdown from where things were.

Aldnoah Zero. That no one in the room died is just a travesty. Anyone who did not drop it after the S1 "finale" is retarded.

>>160261549
It was comfy ghostbusters.

>>160261188
But Madoka's power wasn't unexpected. We were told about how powerful she could be from the very beginning.

>>160260854
I don't really consider this as an asspull

>>160262610
its also the main plot point of the whole that they mention in every episode, kyubey constantly brings it up as why she should make the contract and homura brings it up as why she shouldn't. her power itself is in no way an asspull especially because its directly complained before it happens too for good measure.

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>>160260854

Probably Mai Hime's ending, but I've seen so many over the years, but I still haven't forgotten that one. Then the writer for Yuuki Yuuna pulls the exact same shit, as if he learned nothing from the past.

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>>160262655
Nel was a good character well thought out and planned.
She was no asspull they even went on and gave her a few episodes of flashbacks explaining her past with Nnoitra.
Even in the tybw & LPs she's around.

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>>160260854

>>160261008
>>160261265
>Starrk is the 1st Espada
>jobbing after they kill his loliself

still mad

>>160262982
0 MY

>>160261008
I still don't understand what the fuck even happened at the end of his fight with Yhwach.

>>160260854
mereum surviving

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>>160260854

>>160263135
What do you mean?

>>160263534
How did he beat Yhwach with his original shikai, and why was his original shikai even inside his new bankai?

>>160263664
Because Uryu had hit him with that arrow and the sword went back to it's original form is because Yhwach stole his Hollow and Quincy powers. They were part of Ichigo's true Zanpakutou power. So when they were taken, the Zanpakutou went back to the form it had before he discovered his true power.

>>160263816
>the Zanpakutou went back to the form it had before he discovered his true power.

OMZ was his quincy power, so his original shikai was also quincy power.

>>160263816
I think it would have been neat if instead of breaking to reveal his original shikai, it broke to reveal that long ass zanpakto he started with when he had Rukia's powers. Then it could be something like some tiny remnant of it stayed with him much like how his powers stayed with him as embers during the fullbring stuff.

>>160263940
That's what I was thinking, but that would only work if Rukia went with him instead of Renji
Not even a Rukiafag. Just think the final fight would have been more poetic if Ichigo defeats the final villain with the power that Rukia gave him. Death and Strawberry and all that.

>>160263664
It may look like the original but it's still his bankai broken down to the raw blade. The dream where he died was actually the vision of the future sent by Toofsy.

>>160261008
It should have ended during Soul Society with an after. The third and last plots were poorly written.

>>160262982
to be fair he wasn't really that well after Barragan died, losing his loli self was the final nail of the coffin in the anime, coupled with his well established laziness and lack of fighting spirit made him "give up", i think we didn't even saw one fifth of his true power, i remember the hype about finding out who was the Primera, and he being so different from most arrancar made me like him, if the plot had advanced correctly he could have fought Aizen instead and him dying there would be fine, but he was a nicer character than most "good guys" and his dead was really undeserved and underwhelming, another great character wasted on this series

>>160261188
What a pleb

>>160264559
Starrk was a manically depressed hollow with split personality disorder, he didn't want to live

>>160262811
Nel wasn't an asspull, but her fight with Nnoitra was. Kubo fucking ruined it by cutting it off right at the most hype moment, and instead of centaur Nel vs. praying mantis Nnoitra, she turns back into a kid and then Kenpachi shows up and kills with the power of TWO HANDS.

For no conceivable reason. It's like Kubo wanted to sabotage himself.

>>160260925
>but the guild returning from that island years later was really something else.
The ending is even worse.

>>160260854
>Metal heart
Though I'm happy regardless.

What is O? I don't watch idol garbage

>>160266443
Probably the start of O MY RUBBER NEN or whatever.

>>160260989
RUBBER

>>160261826
Your description contradicts your pic, since nen getting stronger by death was mentioned early in the series and mentioned several times during and before the match, and if that wasn't enough Hisoka literally said he was going to try a trick. It's not like he died without saying anything and then just came back to life and the author introduced the plan and the ability to give orders to your nen.

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>>160261948
See >>160268227

>>160265466
Nel didn't want to kill him

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>>160268358
>implying

>>160268301
And that's why she turned back into a kid and Kenpachi showed up and killed Nnoitra just by using two hands.

>>160268805
So 2 hands on the sword is asspull now?

>>160268489
you fucking asshole, made me spit my coffee all over my laptop screen

>>160268861
Yes, because it was treated like a power up, and it came out of nowhere. There was absolutely no reason for it to be there except for Kubo wanting some kind of power up for Kenpachi to match Nnoitra's release. But Kenpachi was already established as not having access to the Shinigami power ups, so two hands on the sword and a random flashback about him learning kendo it was.

>>160260925
Fairy Tail is a marvel of bad writing, like every new arc completely fucks over the previous arc by summing up everything as one big misunderstanding.

>unit 1 has awakened... WE CAN NO LONGER CONTROL IT...!

>next episode unit 1 is mysteriously chained up and is no longer seen as a threat for the rest of the show

O, MY SIMILAR TYPE OF STAND

>>160269503
>Gajeel brutalizes Levy and her team and pins them to a tree as a declaration of war
>nah you're just lonely come join us!
Never understood it. Sometimes bad guys should just be bad guys.

>>160262123

You can dislike the idea of requiem stands/the arrow all you like, but they heavily built up the significance of the arrow, and in the final battle they made it very clear from the start that whoever got the arrow would win.

You could say it's bad writing, but it's not an asspull.

>>160269732
Biggest ball they dropped was Jellal. The tower of heaven arc was off to a good start for the series. They had the demons established, they had character connections to the island. The whole body double thing was sort of stupid but overall it seemed like it was going to get good.

But then it was pointless, oh so utterly pointless. Jellal became nothing more than Erza's husbando and everything, even the villian motives in the arc became completely disregarded. I don't even think they ever properly justified Ultear's involvement in it.

>>160270092
>I don't even think they ever properly justified Ultear's involvement in it.
She worshiped Zeref, I think. And Jellal was supposedly being possessed by Zeref?

>>160268489
Where was it foreshadowed that Star Platinum and The World would have the same abilities?

>>160262901
He relaxed.

>>160270301
That's not what I mean. The cult was building the tower to bring Zeref back to life. But later on it's revealed that Zeref never died and had been doing a lot of fucking shit including running an entire country and all that other retarded shit.

For what ever reason that one guild who's name escapes me, that Ultear was a member of since she was young, also didn't know Zeref was alive but for some reason they weren't a part of the cult building the towers.
Ultear essentially mind fucks Jellal into continuing the tower even after the slave revolt by pretending to be Zeref deciding that Jellal would be a better means to bring himself back than the cult.

Why Ultear does this convoluted scheme to begin with is never really justified, it ends up being another guild meddling in the affairs of a cult and their slaves despite having the same goals.

But it doesn't really matter if it's justified or not, Ultear being the "Zeref" behind Jellal's position was blatantly written later because the author clearly had cold feat regarding how he should introduce Zeref. The way it was written was for the spirit of Zeref to see Jellal's magical potential and possess him. The ret con tries to structure a greater plan around it but it falls flat because it doesn't make sense, the author just wanted to bail on the Zeref being dead idea, which is why when we return to Ultear and her guild they already conveniently figured out that Zeref never died.

>>160261746
I would beat her at all right places.

Too bad FT author should have stuck to ecchi anime.

>>160270478
SAME TYPE OF STAND POWAH

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The whole of this character was asspull.
His character, motivations and the fucking way he was killed was an asspull.

>>160270762
All his girls are the same though.

>>160271678
Not all of them.

>>160272648
Levy and Wendy are the only ones I can think off with a different body model. I don't remember anyone who stood out with a bigger chest than most of the girls.

>>160273187
There was also Mavis and Chelia, or Sherria. Yukino as well. Erza's mom and I think Brandish were thicker than usual.

>>160273375
Virgo and Aries were slimmer too, iirc.

Adult Gon, but it was in the manga

>watching anime when you can read the manga
isshydiggy

>>160260854
i saw one guy become a fucking blonde haired aryan and kill the bad guy. he was like half monkey or something and it made no sense. some kind of weird black to white power fantasy? made no sense except for the whtie blonde blue eyed guy being super and the best.

>>160260854
maka punch of courage

>>160269492
This is literally the opposite of an asspull powerup; Kubo had already established that Kenpachi uses various methods to limit himself in battle, and that he prefers to swing his sword with only one hand. A proper Kendo stance being more powerful not only makes more sense in reality, it also makes sense in the Bleach canon since Reiatsu is released through the palms of the hand and the base of the feet.

>>160273488
>not doing both

>>160274415
>This is literally the opposite of an asspull powerup
It really isn't. By this point in the story, there was nothing about where reiatsu is released, there was nothing about Kenpachi using kendo, or anything about why that would matter. Literally, what we got was "Well, I guess it's time to use some kendo" and then a flashback about Yama making him learn it.

>>160274415
What Kubo did was a retcon for Zaraki. He used Kendo bullshit first before other things you've said were established

>>160270478
"hora" pronounced ora, is spanish for time.
That's the joke

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>>160274651
>Kenpachi uses various methods to limit himself in battle
>he prefers to swing his sword with only one hand

Both established well before the fight in question.

>what we got was "Well, I guess it's time to use some kendo" and then a flashback about Yama making him learn it.

You're argument here is "it was explained in a flashback, therefore its an asspull". You can't even argue that the explanation doesn't make sense or that it in any way breaks what had already been established in the story up to that point.

>>160260854
I'm pretty sure Bleach has more worse asspull but my brain refuses to remember it

>>160275049
>Both established well before the fight in question.
It's not enough, because there was literally nothing about using two hands being power up. At best just a better, less casual technique. I never saw using just hand one as a limit he put on himself, just a way to show that he wasn't taking the fight seriously.

>You're argument here is "it was explained in a flashback, therefore its an asspull".
Yeah, a flashback that happened IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIGHT. Here's how it went.

>Nnoitra releases
>welp, time to do kendo
>kendo flashback
>Nnoitra dies

Is that good writing to you? A flashback in the middle of the fight is all you need to really foreshadow a power up?

>>160275463
>because there was literally nothing about using two hands being power up

Again, if it can be repeated in reality there's no suspension of disbelief. It wasn't a power-up, a proper Kendo strike is simply more powerful than a one-handed one. Compare to a similar trope: a duelist uses their less-dominant hand in a swordfight, then upon switching hands their true skill is revealed. It appears in countless forms of medium because its something that could technically be repeated in reality.

>Is that good writing to you? A flashback in the middle of the fight is all you need to really foreshadow a power up?

A flashback in the middle of a fight is actually good writing if used correctly, as long as what happens in the flashback is believable. You're falling into the "all tropes are bad" argument because in other manga of this genre, what's being shown in the flashback is going to be some sort of 'forbidden technique' that wasn't properly foreshadowed. Kendo is an incredibly basic technique for all Shinigami, so that Zaraki was required to learn it doesn't in any way break the audiences suspension of belief.

>>160270478
>>160268489

Jotaro having timestop is an asspull, but it's forgivable because the fight was interesting anyway, it's not like Dio instantly lost to Jotaro just because he revealed timestop. Jotaro slipping away from the falling road roller is harder to forgive, because it happens out of camera and he had just a few seconds to slip away and get behind Dio. In the manga isn't as noticeable, but in the anime is painful.

However, it was mentioned multiple times that Dio and Jotaro had similar stands, D'arby's fear is more understandable if he thought Jotaro had timestop, and Dio used Joseph's stand power, setting a precedent for repeated powers between Dio and the Joestars. Whether it was planned by Araki or just a coincidence, we will never know but it was a coincidence.

I remember the last episode of Soul Eater to be particularly terrible and out of left field

All of Rail/Dex is just a series of buildups for the Next Huge Asspull.

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>>160260925
I dropped it when they went to the island where the grave of the ex guild master was and the dragon came and killed everyone.
They even fucking teased the kid set to replace them as the next lead.
Then like 3 fucking issues later, the fucking ghost of the guild master, out of fucking nowhere, protected everyone and saved them from the dragon.

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Pitou's headless body moving by itself and trying to kill Gon is ok but Hisoka ressurecting himself through rubber and gum is not.
Chrollocucks are just angry Hisoka got a power up and is going to murder the shitty spiders.

>>160281835
>Chrollocucks
But Chrollo curbstomped Hisoka, so what would that make Hisoka fans?

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>>160281919
The fight's not over yet. It only ends when one of them dies.

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Complete, offensive bullshit

>>160275844
>It wasn't a power-up
It literally was. It was to match Nnoitra's release. It may not have been a transformation, but that's literally how it was treated. He went on about how using two hands makes you so much stronger, he had the flashback, he switches to two hands, and then does one swing that beats Nnoitra and makes a massive shockwave. It's consistent with Bleach's approach to making higher stakes. Nearly everyone is defeated by unveiling some new special move or power up.

>A flashback in the middle of a fight is actually good writing if used correctly
It definitely was not used correctly here. It was treated like a sledgehammer to bang in a nail. There was no need for a flashback, no need for emphasis on it. Literally all that was required were some visual cues that Kenpachi was taking it more seriously. Shifting to a two-handed stance, Nnoitra reacting to his change in attitude, a page showing him in kendo stance with his skull reiatsu flaring up behind him, etc. There was no need to disrupt the momentum of the fight AGAIN just to highlight something that by your own standards is a common and sensible trope and already regarded as a basic technique for Shinigami in the setting. Even just showing Kenpachi, with his characterization, actually using a proper technique should tell volumes to anyone with more than half a brain. And it would also be nice if he actually fought using kendo after that, not just using it as a one off special move.

>>160282267
>It literally was.
It literally wasn't; your argument is that because it follows a formula commonly used in the genre then its the same as that formula, when it clearly isn't.

>It definitely was not used correctly here.
We know that Kenpachi wasn't brought up through the Shinigami academy, and that only someone with Yamamoto's authority could order him to learn it, not to mention it comes up as a later plot point when he trains with Unohana. At least you gave up on the asspull argument though.

>And it would also be nice if he actually fought using kendo after that, not just using it as a one off special move.

As he explained in the manga, it's not his preferred fighting style. Also once he obtains his Shikai it doesn't make sense for him to use Kendo, since he's wielding an axe.

>>160282682
>it clearly isn't.
It clearly is. He goes on about how much stronger it makes you. You yourself said it makes sense because reiatsu is channeled through the palms and feet.

>We know that Kenpachi wasn't brought up through the Shinigami academy, and that only someone with Yamamoto's authority could order him to learn it, not to mention it comes up as a later plot point when he trains with Unohana.
I don't see why this matters to the fight. All it would take is one line to explain where he learned it.

>At least you gave up on the asspull argument though
I haven't. It definitely was. Little to no foreshadowing, ended the fight.

>As he explained in the manga, it's not his preferred fighting style
I meant in the fight with Nnoitra. It's just him going on about how it makes you so much stronger, then one swing and it's done.

>>160282989
>You yourself said it makes sense because reiatsu is channeled through the palms and feet.

How many times are you going to backtrack your own argument?

>I don't see why this matters
I already told you why it mattered.

>I haven't. It definitely was.
If there was no flashback it would be even more of an asspull, yet you claim there was no need for a flashback? Where is the consistency in your argument?

>It's just him going on about how it makes you so much stronger, then one swing and it's done.
He was on roughly equal footing with Nnoitra before he released; it was entirely consistent.

>>160283171
>How many times are you going to backtrack your own argument?
I'm sorry? How is bringing up what you yourself said backtracking my argument? Well get ready for more, because Nnoitra also says that a two handed strike is just more powerful than a one handed one, similar to what you said here >>160275844 But then Kenpachi says something like "No, you don't understand how much stronger it really makes you", implying that there is in fact more to it than just being a stronger strike.


>I already told you why it mattered.
What, we needed a flashback sequence to learn how he knew kendo? Fucking why?

>yet you claim there was no need for a flashback?
It would be better without a flashback. What makes it an asspull is that such a big deal is made out of it and there was nothing setting it up beforehand, we had a stupid flashback right in the middle of things, and then it just ends the fight. Brings absolutely nothing to the table, and it was definitely pulled of the ass. Hence, asspull. Meanwhile, if you just approached it as Kenpachi being slightly serious and using sword basics (as more than one attack) it actually compliments his characterization and Nnoitra's. Instead, kendo is apparently something that makes you way, way stronger and all of this is explained right before it's used to end the fight.

>He was on roughly equal footing with Nnoitra before he released;
Then why even have it? Do you think it was a good moment or something?

>it was entirely consistent
Okay? Not really the point.

>>160283747
>How is bringing up what you yourself said backtracking my argument?
You literally said 'that doesn't count because it was explained later in the manga'. Now you're saying that it counts but somehow it's still an asspull despite being consistent with the established rules of the manga.

>What, we needed a flashback sequence to learn how he knew kendo?
see >>160282682

> What makes it an asspull is that such a big deal is made out of it and there was nothing setting it up beforehand, we had a stupid flashback right in the middle of things, and then it just ends the fight.
You're using the "I don't like it therefore it's an asspull" arguemnt verbatim. You have yet to disprove that its both consistent with how Reiatsu works in the manga and the reality that a two-handed Kendo strike is simply more powerful than a one-handed one. If you think that having a flashback in a fight automatically makes something an asspull, you simply don't understand what genre you're discussing.

>Then why even have it? Do you think it was a good moment or something?
Are you having trouble following this discussion?

>Okay? Not really the point.
If it's consistent then it's not an asspull; how dense are you to not understand that? The entire reason the Rubber Nen meme exists is because it was inconsistent with how Hisoka's power operated up to that point, which is why its an asspull. Kenpachi getting significantly more power out of a two-handed sword swing as opposed to a one-handed one is completely consistent with the established rules of both the manga and how actual swordfighting works; therefore it cannot be considered an asspull.

>>160284083
>You literally said 'that doesn't count because it was explained later in the manga'. Now you're saying that it counts but somehow it's still an asspull despite being consistent with the established rules of the manga.
I was arguing from your standpoint, because you were also insisting that it wasn't a power up.

>see >>160282682
Not a valid reason for a flashback. People with more than half a brain are capable of this wonderful thing called "inference", where you can deduce something without it being spelled out for you. Do you think everyone would just be scratching their heads without the flashback, or would they just come to the conclusion that he's a fucking Shinigami captain so maybe he actually knows some shit that he elects not to use based on his characterization?

>You're using the "I don't like it therefore it's an asspull" arguemnt verbatim
It's literally an asspull because NOTHING SET IT UP.

>You have yet to disprove that its both consistent with how Reiatsu works in the manga
By this point absolutely nothing about kendo being a Reiatsu technique was explained. Nothing about how Reiatsu was channeled through palms and feet. And you're contradicting yourself and the fucking series, because Kenpachi straight up tells Nnoitra that there's more to kendo than just being a stronger strike, and you yourself are maintaining that it's a Reiatsu technique.

>If you think that having a flashback in a fight automatically makes something an asspull, you simply don't understand what genre you're discussing.
Can you not read? The flashback is bad because it happens literally just before Kenpachi pulls kendo out of his ass to win the fight.

>If it's consistent then it's not an asspull
You said Kenpachi being on equal footing with Nnoitra was consistent throughout the fight. Although he still fucking goes on about how kendo makes you so much stronger in a way that amounts to more than just a better strike.

>>160284543
Holy fuck you're logic is going in complete circles at this point.

>I was arguing from your standpoint, because you were also insisting that it wasn't a power up.
>By this point absolutely nothing about kendo being a Reiatsu technique was explained. Nothing about how Reiatsu was channeled through palms and feet. And you're contradicting yourself and the fucking series, because Kenpachi straight up tells Nnoitra that there's more to kendo than just being a stronger strike, and you yourself are maintaining that it's a Reiatsu technique.

You're literally confirming my argument here. If you agree that his Reiatsu gives him a powerup (again: consistency) then you can't argue that it's still an asspull.

>It's literally an asspull because NOTHING SET IT UP.
Where is your argument?

>You said Kenpachi being on equal footing with Nnoitra was consistent throughout the fight. Although he still fucking goes on about how kendo makes you so much stronger in a way that amounts to more than just a better strike.
Again, how is that not consistent?

>Can you not read? The flashback is bad because it happens literally just before Kenpachi pulls kendo out of his ass to win the fight.
From a continuity standpoint it doesn't make sense to tell the audience beforehand that Zaraki would know Kendo, especially since at the time it was foreshadowed that Zaraki was trying to obtain Bankai. It was a clever anticlimax that still ended up befitting Zaraki's character.

>>160285049
>If you agree that his Reiatsu gives him a powerup (again: consistency) then you can't argue that it's still an asspull.
Kendo being a reiatsu powerup is the asspull, moron. From the start I maintained that position. By this point in the manga there were little to no rules for reiatsu.


>Where is your argument?
My argument is that there was no set up for kendo power up, what he used to beat Nnoitra. He pulled it out of his ass.

>Again, how is that not consistent?
What is there to be consistent with? Kendo as a power up was never mentioned until right before Kenpachi used it to win the fight.

>From a continuity standpoint it doesn't make sense to tell the audience beforehand that Zaraki would know Kendo
There was no need to tell the audience anything at all. As I said, anybody with more than half a brain could figure out how and why he knew kendo without the explanation being shoved into the fight.

>>160260854
The Great Snake Escape. They could have just let sauce win outright since he was styling all over Deidara during their fight.

>>160285264
>>160285264
>By this point in the manga there were little to no rules for reiatsu.

Objectively wrong.

>My argument is that there was no set up for kendo power up, what he used to beat Nnoitra. He pulled it out of his ass.
>>From a continuity standpoint it doesn't make sense to tell the audience beforehand that Zaraki would know Kendo, especially since at the time it was foreshadowed that Zaraki was trying to obtain Bankai. It was a clever anticlimax that still ended up befitting Zaraki's character.

>Kendo as a power up was never mentioned until right before Kenpachi used it to win the fight.
Literally every other Shinigami besides Kenpachi fights with kendo, it's one of the four main Shinigami techniques. Did you think there would be no in-universe explanation as to why that is? Retard.

>There was no need to tell the audience anything at all. As I said, anybody with more than half a brain could figure out how and why he knew kendo without the explanation being shoved into the fight.

Except he only ever used the sword with one hand before this; how can you be this dense? Holding back power is a central part of Zaraki's character, which is why he had the eyepatch and the bells. Your argument is literally braindead at this point.

>>160260854
Basically every fight in Stardust Crusaders.
>I can extend my Stand's fingers, I'll even do it twice to prove it's not a one-off thing
>Oh you didn't see my tentacles? Well yeah they were there the whole time dude
>Nah I didn't die the bullet only grazed my head lol
>Oh by the way I can make fire that detects Stands
>I can time stop because we have the exact same Stand
>Good thing this manga is tough enough to stop the force of a musclebound vampire from annihilating me
>I know that to kill a vampire I need a blow to the head because sunlight isn't an option right now but instead of just smashing his head open I'll punch him REALLY HARD in the leg and it will break his head open anyway and I'll win!

>>160285673
tbf araki really wanted avdol dead but readers complained real bad so he did it. also your last point can be argued that a stand is the manifestation of the user's soul, so jotaro literally destroyed dio's soul

>>160287618
Sometimes you just gotta stand up and make 'em take it, though I see your second point.

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>>160269844
It astounds me how many readers did not understand the final battle of Part 5. It is retroactively implied that King Crimson Requiem would more or less do the same things and be the same omnipotent Stand. Giorno is the son of Dio (God) fighting Diavolo (Devil) which makes him (Jesus) and Gold Experience Requiem basically makes him God. This is thinly encrypted, biblical shit here. What's more the fight ultimately is over control and leadership over the mafia symbolized in the arrow. The stakes were never in defeating Diavolo in a straight fight and besides that he wasn't directly fighting our heroes either, he was gunning for the arrow like the rest of them. Does Araki have to spell everything out?

>>160261188
What autist paste do you have to be consuming to think it was unexpected? Stop fistblasting your ass while you watch anime and pay attention.

>>160262086
>>160261700
Fuck off Dragon ball tards you should be banned from /a/, literally worse than narutards in their boom.

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>>160281763
I love how Mashima always does the biggest bullshit reveals without the slightest bit of foreshadowing. I mean sure he might have thought about one or two things beforehand but he seems to forget that the readers can't fucking mindread

>>160285625
>Objectively wrong.
Enlighten me then.

>Literally every other Shinigami besides Kenpachi fights with kendo,
Literally wrong.

>it's one of the four main Shinigami techniques
Fighting with a zanpakuto period is one of the main four techniques. Not kendo. It makes no sense for it to be kendo, because shikai often changes the form of the zanpakuto from a katana.

>Except he only ever used the sword with one hand before this
Let me ask you a question, are you stupid or something? You honestly would have just been left clueless if there was no flashback? You wouldn't be able to figure out that as a Shinigami captain famous for holding back to enjoy fights, he might know some shit he doesn't use because he either wants to savor the fight or because he isn't taking it seriously? Is that what you're telling me? That you NEEDED it to be spelled out for you? If so, you're the one that's dense.

And literally nothing you said justifies kendo as a power up.

>>160293159
It justifies itself, clearly you're literally so stupid you can't understand a manga for teenagers of you still don't get that.

>b-but muh asspull
Buzzword argument not even worth replying to

>>160293681
So are you just out of arguments, then? Just going to sit there and insist that it makes sense and that I'm too stupid to get it? Impressive approach.

>Buzzword argument not even worth replying to
Then why did you come into the thread dedicated to asspulls? Which this is, by the way. I don't know how you could consider it not to be. No foreshadowing for it being a power up, which it was treated as with the flashback and Kenpachi going on about how it makes you stronger and implies there's more to it than just being a better strike, and then beats the guy he was fighting with one kendo swing. There was no substantial basis for the kendo power up at all.

>>160261346
^
This guy. Good old Executive Officer Shirou "My arms and legs are prosthetic so I can get out of this tentacle trap by detaching them. Also they're bombs so I'll use them to blow up the base when we leave" Sanada.

>>160294134
You never had an argument besides "I don't like thing, therefore its an asspull".

>>160294277
>"I don't like thing, therefore its an asspull".
My argument is that there was no actual set up for it (and there wasn't), and that he pulls it out of his ass and explains it all just before he uses it as a power up to win the fight. How is that not an asspull?

>>160294495
>How is that not an asspull?

Again, consistency with both the manga and reality.

>>160294579
You never explained how it was consistent. You never explained the reiatsu rules you say were established before it happened, the shit about kendo being one of the main 4 Shinigami combat styles is flat out wrong (it's Zanjutsu) and again, Kenpachi says there's more to it than being just a better strike, unless you think that using kendo is a power up in real life as well.

>>160275944
>it's fine because Jojo does it

>>160294691
>You never explained how it was consistent.
Read the thread.

>You never explained the reiatsu rules you say were established before it happened
http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Reiatsu
Spoonfeeding you now

>it's Zanjutsu
http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Zanjutsu
Zanjutsu (斬術, Swordsmanship; Viz "Art of the Sword")
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kendo
Kendo (剣道 kendō, lit. "sword way")

>Kenpachi says there's more to it than being just a better strike
He's literally doubling his power, using two hands is a significantly better sword technique.

>unless you think that using kendo is a power up in real life as well.
We're not discussing real life, we're discussing manga.

>>160262982

>Strongest espada
>Can't even make Shunsui use bankai

Lame

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>>160295071
>Spoonfeeding you now
Where in here does it line up with kendo being a power up? The bit about reiatsu vents at the wrists? The reference for that is at chapter 402. After the fight.

>Zanjutsu (斬術, Swordsmanship; Viz "Art of the Sword")
It literally means just using a zanpakuto. Kendo is listed underneath it. It doesn't make kendo one of the main four combat arts.

>He's literally doubling his power
No shit. Too bad this wasn't explained before it happened. Or even during it happening. Not only an asspull, but a poorly explained one as well. Just him going on and being vague about how much stronger it makes you.


>We're not discussing real life, we're discussing manga.
Then maybe don't try to use reality in your argument?

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>>160295110
This. I still have no idea what they were thinking.