What made One Piece so successful? What is it that OP has, the

>more successful
naruto is the most successful

>>160225490
In the west

Worldbuilding

>>160225452
consistent storyline

>>160225452
It isn't trying to be edgy

>>160225452
Let's trim down the list.
>Fairy Tail
Lacked variety. Say what you will about the other three but at least they had variety in terms of setting, characters, powers, and plot twists. Sort of. FT was the same old shit and MUH FRIENDSHIP got old.
>Bleach
Lacked proper handling of a large cast. Naruto and One Piece for all their faults managed to work the lesser characters into the grander narrative with somewhat satisfying results. Bleach did the opposite by climbing higher and higher up the power scale and all but forgetting those who couldn't keep up. Even fan favorites like Kira and Rukia and Hisagi got left behind.
>Naruto
Lacked the nostalgia. One Piece is basically the oasis for DBfags that had nowhere else to go. The art and story progression were somewhat familiar toward the beginning. Plus, it had more pure, spirited adventures and less angsty prophecies/family-related genocides prior to the timeskip. That's why people keep returning to One Piece, because overall it's more lighthearted and not about saving (or failing to save) the world from a menace.

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>>160225452
>One Piece
bad animation, bad plot, terrible retarded character design, basically made for people with low iq that can't comprehend adult things
>Fairy Tail
absolute trash
>Naruto
same thing as one piece, made for idiots
>Bleach
step up from the rest makes sense Japanese didn't understand it & it sold better in the west...

Suppose that's the way things go though in a world filled with idiots

I started reading Naruto because of the personal struggle of the main cast to make it in ninja society. When the shift to world politics came I lost interest, mainly because I think the world of Naruto is pretty uninteresting. One Piece made a similar shift, but firstly the focus on personal development is still there, and secondly the world of One Piece is much more intricate and interesting. It's not the established government fighting evil rebels, it's a government consisting of a mix of people with differentiering values, fighting a mix of rebels with differentiering agendas.

>>160225663
>Bleach
>step up
If you just bashed all of them equally I wouldn't know that you just had the attention span of a five year old.

Japan's shit taste is the only thing that has kept it
One Piece afloat. OP is easily the worst out of any shounen.

>>160225606
>>Bleach
>Lacked proper handling of a large cast. Naruto and One Piece for all their faults managed to work the lesser characters into the grander narrative with somewhat satisfying results. Bleach did the opposite by climbing higher and higher up the power scale and all but forgetting those who couldn't keep up. Even fan favorites like Kira and Rukia and Hisagi got left behind.
Dude, Naruto did exactly that too. Everyone from the beginning was basically forgotten by the second half or even earlier. We just got other super cool™ ninja to replace them instead of giving them proper treatment.

>>160225918
Care to elaborate? Even only out of these 4, it's the only one with good world building, consistent power levels and an at least decent ability system.

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>>160225663
>OP
>bad animation
>animation

I think One Piece pushed the edge on a few things considering it comes from a relatively suppressed culture. Look at it, its very flamboyant at times and almost makes fun of gay people and gay culture. The Japanese dont quite understand it but, like those outside of japan as well who understand it, find it extremely funny. Also Oda stole a buttload of the best pop culture references from movies and slid them in there with nearly all its fanbases totally oblivious of those contexts.

I actually dont like one piece and think it existing now is an anchor on the industry promoting same think and reusing old ideas and formulas instead of exploring or promoting new thinking.

What the fuck is Fairy Fail doing on that list?

>>160225452
Oda knows how to write. It's that simple.
He didn't start with a vague idea of what he was going to do. He has a clear endgame for Luffy, a clear starting point, all he's doing is filling out the blanks competently.
The same can't be said about the other two. I still don't understand how licking Sasuke's ass wounds helped Naruto become Hokage, why I should care about a directionless character, or a pornfest with a paperthin plot.

>>160225452
The only reason OP is less popular in the west is because squishy blunt rubber is not edgy enough for them.

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>>160225851
You can't name one thing in one piece or any of the others that Bleach didn't do better.
>>160225968
very bad...

Bleach was what it was and was the best at it. It really shouldn't even be mentioned along with these other trash animes because it was on a entirely different level.

It's like saying my little pony has higher ratings than man vs wild and that's only because there is more little girls watching TV.

>>160225452
One Piece is funnier, has marginally better writing and art, but most importantly, is about pirates, adventure, and camaraderie. All of the others are about boring twats and their boring-ass jobs. The ninjas in Naruto are doing their jobs. The soul reapers in Bleach are doing their jobs. The mages in Fairy Tail are doing their jobs. The pirates in One Piece are adventuring and having fun.

>>160225452
It's part of the adventure genre. Exploring a well designed fantasy world is fun. Sadly this part got shittier and shittier over time and they made up for it with more shounen battle porn.

>>160226070
Nah the reason is because OP is mostly based on a watered down aggregate of western culture. Naruto is more exotic by comparison, more japanese, and therefore more appealing to weebs.

>>160226112
Nobody's discussing the animation here dumbass. One Piece is a manga, nobody cares about the flash adaptation.

>>160225962
Good world building is all it has going for it. And even then people praise the shit out of it, but I've seen better. Maybe not in manga and anime, but world building better to the point where I was thoroughly unimpressed by OP's.
>Consistent power levels
Lel. Enies Lobby arc has the biggest asspulls ever. Sanji could barely hurt Blueno but easily beats Jabra. One example right there. Not to mention the inconsistencies with Haki.
>decent ability system
Maybe. Haki is retarded and Devil Fruits are okay. Better than magic or chakra and whatever the fuck bleach had? Sure. Nothing on nen, stands, and heck, even quirks rival it.
One Piece has some of the shittiest art of any major shounen series. How anyone can read up to 800 chapters with disgusting character designs is fucking shocking. Naruto Bleach and Fairy Tail all have better art and character designs. It also suffers from dragging on. Seriously over 800 chapters? Fuck that. OP's main characters are severely undeveloped as well, and it's villains aren't as interesting as Bleach's or Naruto's or especially Hxh's

I may have exaggerated saying OP is the worst shounen. It beats Fairytail, but that's to be expected. A ripoff will be worse than the original in most cases.

>>160226161
Bleach manga sales are still better then all of these & the picture is of the animes

>>160225452
OP is the most coherent and consistent.
FT is a disaster, Bleach started out promising but only got worse from there. Naruto is just a hack job without any clear direction or end goal where the author just kept slapping on random shit just to extend the life of his golden goose.

>>160226112
Holy shit Bleachfags exist?
You realize that shit was just a fashion show vaguely arranged into characters + a story right?
A Hugo Boss catalogue has more narrative consistency than Bleach.

>>160226196
>Bleach manga sales are still better then all of these & the picture is of the animes

Thats because it doubles as porn. People fap to the character designs and clothing.

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>>160226196
>Bleach manga sales are still better then all of these
Thanks for the laugh, retard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_manga

>>160225606
Thank you for being the only person in the thread not to driveby shitpost about FT.

>>160226112
Ichigos character is pictured as a kind of not very emotionally driven person which would make sense if his power was not derive from what seems like emotional power, not in any part of the story does he perform well in the aspect of strategy. Sanji from one piece who is portrayed in a similar way as Ichigo as a at time detached logical person actually solves some of his fights using superior tactics.

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>>160226184
>One Piece has some of the shittiest art of any major shounen series.

But that's wrong. It's not the best, but certainly not the shittiest.

>>160225452
One Piece gives its readers lots of things to speculate about. Nakama are the most prominent example. Which character will become the permanent addition to the main cast? This is pretty rare; most stories either stick with the original cast or thrust a new character in it out of the blue without any buildup.

One Piece is ok, but nothing special. It has some nice character development for side characters. It has a more interesting world, and lore than any of others.

But it comes with so many flaws. Every arc is almost virtually the same in it's structure (even characters are recycled with a different appearance). Asspull everywhere, so much asspull.

>>160226334
Oh wow that looks pretty nice actually. Which part of the story is that from? I dropped it during the ghost ship shit. Still, doesn't excuse the terrible character designs.

>>160225490
>>160225663
>fairy tail
>naruto coming out the closet and just admitting they mages+ panty shots
>naruto
mages acting like they are ninjas
>Bleach
empty plot holes, with great designs


>>160226112
fills plotholes

>naruto 220 million
>one piece 416 million

eat shit fag one piece is still going on

>>160225452
better world building and character building which is not much +wacky deisngs

>>160226426
The problem OP has stylewise is the same as Naruto.
It's all over the place.

>>160225606
Bretty good post

>>160226184
So you were talking out of your ass, good to know. Or how else did you come to the conclusion that it's the worst when explicitly placed next to three who're even worse

>Lel. Enies Lobby arc has the biggest asspulls ever. Sanji could barely hurt Blueno but easily beats Jabra. One example right there. Not to mention the inconsistencies with Haki.
Water7 and Enies Lobby ar weird, I give you that. Somehow the strawhats manage to boost themselves quite a bit during the travel to Enies Lobby.
Haki isn't really inconsistent though. At least two forms are the manifestation of willpower and fit into the theme of the series.

>Maybe. Haki is retarded and Devil Fruits are okay. Better than magic or chakra and whatever the fuck bleach had? Sure. Nothing on nen, stands, and heck, even quirks rival it.
Please, devil fruits aren't that much different from quirks. Both give you a single power, which you can apply in different ways and even work in some cartoonish ways so that the user doesn't die immediately. The scale is just a bit different. They also have good interactions. Haki isn't even as bad as people make it out to be.

>>160226184
>Good world building is all it has going for it. And even then people praise the shit out of it, but I've seen better. Maybe not in manga and anime, but world building better to the point where I was thoroughly unimpressed by OP's.
All kinds of interesting islands, an oppressive world government, rebellious movements worldwide and many different characters with their own agenda are okay? Well okay, if you think so.

>>160226624
That should be the bare minimum of detail that goes into worlds when writing a story. The only reason people think it's great is because anime and manga have terrible world building generally

>>160225452
For starters, it's a story that can be enjoyed regardless of age. The other three can be very enjoyable when read in teenage years, while OP has something for every age group. Secondly, it has unique art style and good amount of western influences, which make it stand out more. Finally, Oda's story actually feels like it was planned beforehand and stuff was added over time without really changing its general structure. Compare it to Naruto, where the beginning and end feel like two completely different stories or Bleach that was heavily infulenced by reader polls and Kubo actually stalled it for years, not really knowing how to progress with his own work.

But these are just my opinions, I'm sure there were many other factors at play.

What's Luffy's motivation for becoming Pirate King again

>>160226884
Just cause

>people think characters need deep emotional backstory to have motivation or goals

>>160226884
He felt like it

>>160226884
Freedom from the oppressive government and the fact that striving for the single most desirable position in the world is sure to be an extremely exciting competitive endevour. It's similar to billionairs not just sitting back and enjoying the luxuries of their work but rather striving to make their company number one. actually striving for hard to reach goals is a motivation on it's own.

>>160225452
Bleach wasn't as successful because the Shonen Jump didn't want it to be successful. Why do you think that, now it's over, they never do ANY promotional art with Bleach characters? They also forced Kubo to cut several arcs short, as well as drag other shit out for ages. Hell, when he decided to take it in a new, fresh direction, do something different and breath new life into it, they mandated that he not do that and bring back all of the old cast.

I unironically like Naruto and Fairy Tail more than One Piece.

>>160226958
>>160226976
>>160226978
So none, I see. Very great "character" you have there, wan piss tards.

>>160225925
Not him but at least Naruto had that first half. Also Shikamaru, Choji and Inu got one of the best arcs of the second half.

>>160227049
>Muh DEEP, complex, 4D characterization.
Sometimes being simple is better than being pretentious.

>>160227049
I've long since given up thinking One Piece is for everyone, there is plenty of stories with 2-dimensional characters having easy to understand motivations that you can read. I just get annoyed when people call One Piece simple, and then they proceed with not getting it.

>>160227049
Less is more, friend.

>>160227081
Yes, if you enjoy literal cardboard cutouts as characters.

>>160225452
Where the fuck is HxH you fucking niggers?

>>160227049
>implying a guy who does what he feels like isn't way more badass than some whiny cunt who gets forced to become a hero by circumstances™ or because of family drama™

>>160226884
>>160227049
>the complex motivation meme
You know that doesn't even exist in real life?

>>160225452
it wasn't popular none of them were. they all had their little gay cults that spouted about how great they were when in reality they all sucked ass for many of the same reasons.

>>160227108
I get that you're pro One Piece, but I disagree anyway. Luffy has plenty of family drama and circumstances. It's just that that's not his primary motivator, even though I think it shaped his plenty into becoming the person he is today.

>>160227102
HxH is actually good. We don't need to compare them. With these four, we're figuring out why one shit is better than the other shits.

>>160227140
t. Virgin Ball fag

>>160227149
You just described a human being, you fucking ninny.

>>160227224
you really do misunderstand me, I'm a fervent OP fag, I just think you where selling Luffy sort in your post. Everything in life isn't a battle.

>>160225452
Consistency, plain and simple.

Able, to expand the story while still making use of a wide variety of characters and wide creativity of abilities.

Giving many characters different individual goals and aspirations.

Expanding the world while still able to link events to previous encounters, thus deepening the plot.

>>160225452
One of the main themes of naruto was that nothing was set in stone and that anyone could change its destiny regardless of their birth or talent ( see Naruto vs Neji battle in the chuunin exam and Lee's character) but then guess what? Turns out Naruto was the child of the most extraordinary parents with an incredible ancestry and is involved in a prophecy and acted accordingly to it.
That's what made naruto lose a lot of it's original fanbase.

Bleach turned into a clusterfuck and no one knew what was going on anymore so they didn't bother keep reading the serie.

Fairy tail is just.....bland. It used a lot of the tropes of Battle shounen but handled them like shit. It kept repeating itself to the point of infuriating its readers. Every arc looked like the precedent the same way every pokemon episode looks like the precedent.


One Piece is the only one of the 4 that stayed true to itself to this day (which is surprising considering its the oldest of the 4).

>>160226884
Same as the beginning. Luffy hanged out one year with Shanks and his crew, and appreciated the pirates' way of life.
Luffy just likes freedom and adventure.

>>160225452
All four of them are cancerous trash, nothing to discuss here.

>>160227266
Wasn't me, but even so that person is right. Luffy, just like anyone, have past traumas and such but that isn't why he does what he does. He isn't out to prove anything, he isn't out for revenge, hell he isn't even really searching for the One Piece treasure, he just wants to be free to have his friends and his adventures. But at the same time he's a good enough guy to know that he should help people if he can and he's smart enough to know that the freedom he seeks isn't unconditional, so he does what he has to to secure that freedom and protect his friends, even if it means his life. That's what makes him so likeable.

>>160225663
this

>>160225521
If One Piece had been more successful than Naruto in the West I'm pretty sure that's the series that would have been banned from /a/.

>>160226991
>m-m-muh meddling Jump Executive
Stop that, Kubo isn't fouling anyone. He knew, we all knew Bleach was gonna end 6 months before it did, Kubo was probably informed before we were, and even if he didn't he should have had time to plan stuff so he could wrap things up convincingly in 6 month. But he didn't. What more proof do you need Kubo is a hack who stopped planning years ago and just writes as he goes? It admittedly could be fine if he had a knack for it like Toriyama, but he doesn't. Toriyama is an exception not a rule.
He admitted himself than when he doesn't know what to write, he just writes new characters and make them move the story along instead of exploiting the ones he already created. Not creating new ones is sound advice for someone like Kubo. If anything, if what you said is true and jump successfully prevented him from doing that again, then who knows how much more disastrous the 1000 year war arc could have been.

>>160227572
But Toriyama is also a hack

>>160228487
I wouldn't know I never read or watched DBZ.

>>160228852
His editors did everything for him, they kept turning down his bad ideas and Toriyama eventually wrote every single one of his editors into being the main villain. Every time Toriyama has had more control over his own work without editorial assistance it's always been an uninspired piece of shit, and his jokes aren't funny either, dragonball's success is owed to the editors not toriyama himself

>>160226423
One of the things one piece doesn't do is Asspull

>>160225606
>That's why people keep returning to One Piece, because overall it's more lighthearted and not about saving (or failing to save) the world from a menace.
I always thought One Piece was really relaxing as well.
When they'd have some filler early on in the show where the crew would just hop islands for a couple of episodes, it never bothered me because it just kind of fit in the adventure of traversing the grand line.
It's a shame the anime got worse after a certain point, at least the manga is good still.

>>160225452

Fun as well as not being an angsty convoluted clusterfuck.

>>160225452
Naruto is way more succesful than O e Piece, Oda admits this.

>>160225452
Do something that isn't Japanese.
>Naruto:Ninjas
>Bleach:Shinigamis and Samurais
>FT:Probably heavy influenced by DQ.

Fairy Tail: they over used "friendship triumphs all" mentality and the last arc was forced.
Naruto kept using "my hardships is why I'm an emo fuck" and the new boruto series made me hate naruto even more.
Bleach should have ended with Aizen. They kept pumping the series with unnecessary power ups and it turned into a cluster fuck.
In my opinion, the thing that made One Piece unique was the light hearted adventure. There's no good or bad guys. Every organization wants to be ruler of the world except one, Luffy.

>>160225452
>What is it that OP has, the other three don't?
Bad pacing

>>160226184
Haki is MADE because ODA realize "Luffy" CAN NOT DEFEAT FIRE ELEMENT DEVIL FRUIT (Ace and Akainu). To make him more powerful he create "Haki"

>>160226184
Mentioning HxH immediately disqualifies your opinion.

Naruto is much better than One Piece. Every country in the world other than Japan agrees. And Japan likes Sazae-san, Doraemon and Detective Conan more than One Piece anyway.

Why are people so butthurt about One Piece?

>>160226426
wait, so you stopped reading at the arc where they actually explain the different character designs, the overgrown humans and all that? And the arc with the most relatable backstory?

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>>160229774
Kek.

>>160227023
I do too anon, but I can't say I remotely enjoy any of the three on a sufficient level to be able to understand what's the big deal about them. There must be something missing for me that makes everyone so excited about them.

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>>160229774
That's only Japan, the rest of the world prefers Naruto. If you're going full weeb then you have to admit Sazae-San is superior.

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>>160225663
Only idiots call other people idiots

>>160227023
I like Naruto and Dadruto was an amazing ending.

He's not the best dad but at least he actually acts his adult age

>>160229774
So DB still win average-wise. And it doesn't look like it'll be challenged soon... or even at all.

>>160229907
Nope. It's global sales.

>>160225452
Better everything at most everything and doesn't go to shit early on. Fairy Tail is a poor man's One Piece with tits anyway.

>>160229955
Bleach fans are so sad. The series wasn't even fun.

>>160229907
One Piece doesn't sell good anywhere but Japan normal people hate that shit art style.
It's painful to even look at the manga is like shit smeared all over paper.

When all of Japan finally dies out due to low birthrates, no one will know One Piece existed.

>>160229994
Only Japs buy manga, the rest of the world downloads it as soon as it's translated.

The most popular franchises are either Naruto (worldwide) or Sazae-san (Japan).

>>160225452
Spics. Spics are the worst thing to happen to anime/manga.

>>160230103
Spics love Saint Seiya, Dragon Ball and Naruto more. One Piece is pretty irrelevant.

>>160229994
>>160230070
One Piece
>66 million copies in print outside of Japan, with publications in more than 30 countries
Naruto
>75 million in 35 countries worldwide
That's not that big a difference. One Piece is still the best selling mango in the world and Oda still has a Guinness World Record title.

>>160229429
Source?
Because Oda's income from marketing and sales says different whilst Kishi barely made him money.

>>160230007
Europe has a ridiculous One Piece following.

>>160230222
Everyone outside Japan just pirates Naruto as soon as it's released there. Literally nobody waits for the official translation. Sales are meaningless, Oda admits Naruto is much bigger, if his autistic fanbade doesn't that's their problem.

>>160225606

Did you even read Bleach and Naruto? Bleach's cast was relevant for the entire duration of the manga aside from maybe Chad and Orihime.

Everyone one of the captains had multiple moments & was relevant until the very end. Granted Kubo kinda made things up that they could do, but at least it wasn't "get fucking destroyed by Madara" like it was in...

...NARUTO on the other hand got so fucking broken by the end, none of the main cast could do anything aside from the token fight they gave Kakashi with Obito. It was Naruto & Sauceguy using eye hacks and godmode & everyone else was irrelevant.

And back to Bleach, you wouldn't even see Ichigo for weeks at certain points because Kubo was focusing on other characters. Don't just make shit up.

>>160230222
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_manga

Cuck.

>>160230353
>>160230007
Sure like my claims out of the ass

>>160225452
I love Bleach but you don't get to end the story half way through... and then continue it and expect everyone to follow your jump starting the series. Kubo did this more than once: sacrifice your powers only to regain them later on.

>>160230361
>Bleach cast was relevant cause they all had their moments
>Naruto cast had token fights
Yes, please tell me how Neji's role in the great war is worse than say Renji's role at the end. Or basically any of the other (vice-)captain besides maybe Ukitake and some others

>>160230353
I'll need a source on this because he would probably only say this because Naruto endedNaruto is more popular abroad but that doesn't make One Piece not the best selling manga in the world.

>>160230389
I was using not Japan sales since that anon refuses to look at them.

>>160225452
well one piece use to be really good, the last few years its become absolute garbage but people are hooked onto it from when it wasn't shit

>>160230398
Take a look at Dragon Ball Super. Every American fan is discussing the latest episodes in Japan. The official releade is irrelevant. Dragon Ball Super and Boruto are always in the most viewed YouTube videos in spicland before they're deleted. One Piece's following isn't nearly as significant. One Piece has more official sales, that's good for the jews at Shonen Jump I guess, but add piracy to the mix and One Piece doesn't have 10% of Naruto's following.

>>160230353
Care to post some source for that?

>>160226184
Nen is the fucking worst ass pull system out there.

Gon is also THE most bland character Ive ever seen.

>>160230549
Ichigo is more bland than Gon in my opinion.

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>>160225452
A longer story
A bigger world
More characters
Unique abilities
Interesting story
Character development for multiple characters
No romance
Better world-building

I mean I could go on and on, as a One Piece fag who's seen all the popular series to their completion I can say for certainty that One Piece is superior for lots of reasons, just my personal opinion though, some may disagree on my reasoning.

>>160230549
That's not fair when Fairy Tail was a thing

>>160230534
Not a single Burger or Spic waits for the official translation.

>>160230070
>Only Japs buy manga
Nigger even here in Greece people are apeshit over mango.

>>160230353
>Everyone outside Japan just pirates Naruto as soon as it's released there.

depends if you live in some slav or spic country. naruto manga sell very well in the uk. my local book store never has naruto 60-72 because they fly off the selves.

>>160230584
Sure, but do you have anything to back up that claim?

>>160230549
"asspull" was already on my filters, but congratulations, you're the post that's finally making me add "ass pull"

>>160225452

many things

colorful and unique style
strong theming
high level of continuity very little episodic-ness
relatable characters
down to earth (for a shounen) relatively limited asspulls and overpowered nonsense

but ultimately I think it actually comes down to the way story arcs progress in One Piece
They are very NOT straight forward
They usually include a lot of moving pieces, multiple events happening simultaneously, all focused around large set pieces that also factor into things
They are convoluted in a certain where you can't always predict what will happen next but you always know that a lot of stuff will happen so it keeps it more interesting
Shounen series often have a problem with being too predictable and this is really what sets One Piece apart

>>160230549

Well what's interesting about nen is that asspulls are actually part of the system just with deadlier consequences the bigger the asspull is.

>>160230685
He is right about nen though
And I like HxH

>>160229845
Shit taste unironically

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>>160230685
>so butthurt about Togashi's bad writing he has to make a safety bubble for himself

>>160230531
All I can read from your post is that DB Super and Boruto are so bad no one would spend a dime on them.

>>160230038
Have you ever actually been to Japan? Obviously not

>>160230580
I've seen enough of all four to know One Piece takes the cake. It does have it's pit falls but still a large cut above the rest. I always felt like Oda loved One Piece more than the others loved their series.

>>160230749
>down to earth (for a shounen) relatively limited asspulls and overpowered nonsense
This has to do with Oda never giving a scientific explanation for powers. People get powers from fruits. That's it. No chara,nen or energy needed. He makes it up as he goes along and that's not in a bad way. He is good at story telling and is able to know his limits to how powerful they can get. One Piece overall is fun and colorful and Oda brings that into not just the art style but the series itself. That's what sets it apart from other action adventure shonen.

>>160225759
Part 1 of naruto is actually a nice anime, shippuden fails for many reasons. They should have established characters from all these different villages long before, for instance the sand village gaara and others are established so their politics intertwine with the story along more strongly than the other villages with characters newly introduced.

>>160230531
America isn't the world. Just because 4kids managed to ruin the image a whole generation had for a series, doesn't mean it's the same for everyone else.

Naruto isn't really bigger outside of Japan. At least not to remarkably bigger.

>>160225452
>Naruto
Power levels became a problem.
Ninjutstu lost it's underlying mechanics and became full blown "I don't have to explain shit" magic.
Theme of working hard was undermined from the begining, but slaughtered after Shippuden; Neji was right.
Lackluster final boss that borders on Final Fantasy IV tier of "The true final boss was this unseen threat the whole time".

>Bleach
It was shit, only good arcs were up until Soul Society rescue arc and after that the only thing carrying this garbage was Kubo's good designs. He eventually lost those too.

>Fairy Tale
Was honestly good until the author kept relying on time skips to reset the guild from being the best guild around and forcing them to be underdogs again. Also power of friendship got old really fast. Other dragon slayers were irrelevant. The Figurative and literal Rape of Erza's character multiple times.
Killing off the guild master only to revive him multiple times.
The fact that the writer is a hack.

>One Piece
Oda has kept consistent on a couple of things. Even though post-time skip only has one good arc in my opinion (punk Hazard) Oda knows how to deliver a steady stream of hype and good fights to keep people engaged. Also the grander mysteries of the story are still being developed so there is still investment to be had. He's suffering from some of his own power level bullshit with Haki but still managing to avoid having the MC become a super special busted fighter so it's not at it's worse yet.

Art is inconsistent at times but still good enough to go. And One Piece has arguably some of the strongest arcs like Water 7/Enies lobby and the entire Maniford Saga to coast on in terms of nostalgia.

>>160227295
>One of the main themes of naruto was that nothing was set in stone and that anyone could change its destiny regardless of their birth or talent
When your kind will finally die out? It shouldn't be taking so long, since you have difficulty comprehending things as simple as comics for preteens. So what gives?

>>160230865
He didn't give a scientific explaination so far. He has to give some sort of further explaination as soon as Vagapunk enters the stage or Blackbeard's ability to have two at the same time is explained.
It also doesn't need that much explaination. Fruits that somehow store a power and respawn as soon as someone dies is more than enough for that.

>>160230907
What a shit taste. Water 7 is ok but Marineford was absolutely terrible.

There's so many better arcs in One Piece than these two.

>>160225521
Yes, and guess what's larger? An asian island or the entire fucking westernh emisphere?

>>160230973
Even including the west One Piece has sold more than 200 million copies than Naruto has.

>>160230361
>was relevant for the entire duration of the manga
I know Bleachfags must be delusional to justify liking such a shitty manga, but you're asylum material.

One piece has greater character development I guess. The main cast have interesting stories and they have so much things that they have yet to accomplish.

>>160225452
If I had to guess why it's so successful, it's because its formula is unchanging. Which is weird because that's mostly what I hate about it. One Piece's theme is ALWAYS adventure, throughout its whole history it has remained the same. It's always sail ship to "island", meet somewhat interesting people, have fun, solve some fucked up problems, very rarely find a new crewmate, then move on to the next island.

Which is a real fucking shame, because the most interesting parts of One Piece aren't the adventures, it's the plot-line behind the D., the Void Century, the World Government, the World Nobles, the Revolutionary Army and what Gol D. Roger did at Raftel. Big Mom is a huge disappointment as a Yonko because she's not at all connected to those plot-lines and is just a shallow bitch. She's only a humongous fish to feed the Straw Hats to become stronger.

As for the other three?
Fairy Tale is the most repetitive and the most asspull infested of all the four COMBINED. The battles and plot are all the same with minor variations. Easily the worst of all four, the only thing that redeems it is the fan service.

Naruto while not as many asspulls as Fairy Tale still has a lot of them, plus the 2nd part ruined many characters. The main characters were already inferior to the side cast, but 2nd part shat on them even more. Sakura is easily the worst main heroine from any mainstream manga that I can think of. Her personality, reasons, history, appearance, talent, plot... everything is inferior, she's a completely worthless character. She brings down the quality of the manga, that's how bad she is.

Bleach, there's two things that define this manga, wasted potential and clusterfuck. Has asspulls, but they are more trollish, hilarious and not as intense the two above. The cast has good characters, but they are used badly. Some might put it above Naruto, but if we leave the bad ending of Bleach aside, it's debatable which of the two is worse.

>>160230907
Those are not even the best arcs in One Piece
You are just a fight baby

>>160230952
>>160231066
So instead of listing what arcs are better you offer nothing? Great way to prove a point.

>>160230874
Anything from Naruto has a much bigger viewcount than One Piece.

>>160225606
>FT was the same old shit and MUH FRIENDSHIP got old.
I never understood why FT got so many episodes and the much much more superior Rave Groove was dropped.

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>>160230808
It means on Saturday go see how many people are live streaming DB Super on youtube, it's hundreds of thousands of people spread across multiple channels watching it.

Outside of Japan One Piece is not a big hit people don't like it. The art is really bad & then still it's for low iq viewers like children

& Naruto isn't nearly as special as people think it is either it's got the same mentality viewers as On Piece.

>>160230685
>>160230770
What consequences?

My special rubber nen can wish back your powers if this alien monster loves me enough.

Oh my special eyes gives me every chakra nen imaginable when they turn red and I can literally do anything to the strongest characters in the show

Also my anger causes eternal bankai to be unleashed and I gain more power than anyone else in the world for no reason.

Nen is so damn assed pulled. Anyone could just chakra 10 gates and fight on perfect cell level if they want and others can just collect the 7 chaos emeralds and wish powers and chakra back


Also Gon doesnt have a personality. Zero personality. He makes naruto look like the most charismatic character created ever

>>160230947
Oda is the best at foreshadowing because he knows where he wants to take his story and characters. Didn't Ace comment that Blackbeard wasn't a normal human? If he is conjoined with something then that might explain the second devil's fruit. Also the yami yami no mi might have hidden its existence when the second one was eaten. It's more cartoonish than the other series in that way where its self aware that it can pull something like this.

>>160231036
If you don't like that they travel island to island and build on earlier plot points then its not the series for you. Adventure takes the first priority then building off of those things. They come when they come.

>>160231085
Almost arc like I said are better. You want a fucking list?

Thriller Bark
Skypiea
The whole of East Blue
Sabaody
Alabasta
Zou
Punk Hazard
etc

Marineford was literally Naruto level shit.

>>160231085
Skypiea, Impel Down and the Mink island are much better

>>160231066
Obviously since they said people only stick to One Piece for the fights.

>>160230770
>>160230685
>my bubble gum power bounces me back to life

If thats not a pull out of the ass I don't know what is

>>160226254

>Dragon has 2/3 of One Piece's copies sold and It's half as long

How did Toriyama do it?

>>160225452
A good writer

>>160231036
If we look at the bigger picture I think the formulaic approach allows Oda to focus attention on the intricate events on the side which is why they're allowed to develop into such complex entities on their own.

Man, DB success really is something else.

>>160231134
Saying that children havelow IQ's because they are children is something very stupid
Some children out there have higher IQ's than you
And you are still not proving anything with that

The recent One Piece episodes have been so bad even the voice acting degraded. I'm sticking to the manga for now.

>>160231188
>>160231193
Sabaody and Impel down are part of the Maniford saga or whatever they call that stretch of arcs

Punk Hazard was already in my post but specifically for nostalgia's sake for long term readers the only other one's either of you mentioned that would keep someone reading trying to see Oda capture that level of quality again would be Skypia and Alabasta. East blue is good but not representative of what the bulk of the series has become, that starts with Drum Kingdom really. Thriller bark is still really polarized in discussions because people either love it or hate it with very little overlap; and Geko Mori isn't that strong of an arc villain.

>>160231160
>If you don't like that they travel island to island and build on earlier plot points then its not the series for you.
I should have been more specific, but I don't mind the travel to island to island. What I do mind is that on the grand stage what happens on these islands doesn't matter 'that' much. I wouldn't mind it if every second island they discovered more than a page worth of shit that concerns the world powers.

>>160231313
It means little kids & retarded people can't afford to buy DVDs

>>160230907
>Another person to fall for the Enies Lobby meme.
When will it stop?
Btw the Marineford saga is the second biggest clusterfuck beside Fishman Island, people like to forget it only because at the end Ace and Whitebeard's death outshines the rest.

>Theme of working hard was undermined from the begining, but slaughtered after Shippuden
This. The problem of Naruto is that Kishi undermined his own message.

I will say Naruto actually had potential but Kishimoto messed up by basically making it up as it went along

Like all of the stuff that happens towards the end of the series is not even foreshadowed at all and basically comes out of nowhere
So we go from stuff like Sasuke's edge crusades to alien ninja gods and it makes the whole series seem incredibly disjointed and like a lot of the stuff that happened barely even matters
Naruto could have easily had as strong worldbuilding as OP but Kishimoto just kind of ignores it for a lot of the series to focus on characters even though a lot of the character stuff is actually less interesting

OP on the other hand is more balanced and constantly builds up the overarching narrative every chance it gets so it feels most like one continuous story where every aspect is connected

>>160231134
>watching anime
>defending anime
There's your problem
And ironic that you are saying other people have low IQ's

>>160231267
I feel like Oda has more say than his editors compared to the other two. They had potential.

>>160231325
This. Naruto and Bleach never dipped this low. Toei is truly the worst.

>>160231387
>retard people can't afford dvd's
NEETs buy dvds all the time

>>160231369
In my opinion, if every island connected to the other interesting things in the story it would be too convenient. He manages to fit both in.

>>160231017
Now tell me how successful the anime plus various merchandise has been.
Wanna see who sold the most vidya?

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>>160231447
Naruto & One Piece are shows designed specifically to captivate & sucker idiots.
Clear your head a moment & look at these mangas & their animes with a blank slate.
They're UGLY I mean the art is so bad it's amazing people can even look at it.
For the love of god look at this trash are you stupid?

>>160230973
as if the entire western hemisphere consume anime shit
you are fucking delusional

>>160231017
Yeah but what about profits from the anime? Or the tons of movies that actually got minor theatrical releases. Or the videogames

>>160231620
>Naruto & One Piece are shows designed specifically to captivate & sucker idiots
Have anything to back that up other than your mediocre opinion?

A Naruto /v/ermin. It's too early for this.

>>160231661
Don't respond. That bait isn't even worth it.

>>160231625
>as if the entire western hemisphere consume anime shit
It does, you're just an ignorat idiot.

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>>160231704

OP is fun, the others aren't
It also has a pretty good and very unique world building

>>160231720
Posting memepictures is the appropriate reaction to getting BTFO.

>>160231760
You are just baiting
And you are not even good at it

>>160231661
One Piece has so many episodes you watched it so long you can't stop.
It's the same fucking shit OVER & OVER again HUNDREDS of times.
You just can't truly judge it for what it actually is you're to invested in a huge one piece pile of crap you just can't turn away. This it captivated you & your an idiot for not dropping it after the first hundred rinse & repeat plot lines.

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Man, I really wish Kubo got himself a writer to help him out with his weak points.

>>160231790
>I-I-I-IT'S BAIT

Yeah nice argument kid.

>>160231643
Not sure about the anime and don't know much about vidya because I don't care about video games, but One Piece is well ahead in the movie department.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_anime_films

3 movies in the top 30, Naruto has 0. Scroll down and you'll One Piece's movie franchise is 5th overall, Naruto isn't on the list (although it only shows top 6).

>>160227102
literally who

>>160231827
I don't watch the anime
What the fuck are you talking about

>>160225452
Uh, when it started, it was established LONG before those others even started

>>160231829
Kubo art is in league of it's own though

>>160231258
Uh, it still sells...just as One Piece will after it ends, you'd have to lower its total sales to what they were when it was 20 years old

>>160231979
The blank backgrounds? I agree

>>160231979
>>160232010
He used to care about his artwork. He still cared about the fashion till the end.

>>160225452
Best plot
Best world building
Best powers
Best characters
Best side vest villains
Best flash backs
Best foreshadowing
Best girls compare Nami to Sakura or rukia and their usefulness
Best character interactions (it's like watching real life best friends hang out)
Best fun
Best entertainment
Best art when it comes to buildings and settings
Best back stories
Best handling of lots of characters oda never forgets old characters
Best current events you always see whats going on in other parts of the world. Every other place doesn't just stop moving or existing
best fashion (only kubo rivals odas fashion on cover stories)
Best cover stories(do other mangakeka even cover story? )

>>160230007

One Piece has been the best selling manga in France (2nd largest Manga market after japan) since 2012. From this point, Naruto dipped in interest, while One Piece grew.

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>>160232041
It got deeper and more immersive till the very end,
always enjoyed it.
Really I never saw any flaws in the manga art.

>>160232385
He had some problems with the face's though.

>>160232443
*faces
I did enjoy the sleekness of his designs.

>>160230007
it's pretty popular in germany.

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>>160229774
>Hokuto no Ken sold the same as Jojo but with less than 1/4 of the volumes and only in a few years
Jojofags

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>>160232503

>>160226334
That looks really bad. There's so much going on you can't even tell where things are supposed to end or start, not to mention that you don't know where you should be paying attention.

Too convoluted, this is literally how you're NOT supposed to draw 101

>>160232188
This is true. I always felt bad that I didn't watch as many Bleach episodes as I did for One Piece and Naruto. I kept going with One Piece because it never took a turn for the worse. Naruto after a certain death I left. There were too many ups and downs with the writing. Bleach never caught me with characters, story, or enjoyability. Then again lots of Bleach fans didn't like Bleach and just wanted to see what happened to their favorite girl in the end.

>>160227102
DB, JoJo, Gash and HxH are over there at the good battle manga thread, this is the subpar but commercially successful battle manga thread.

>>160233002
One Piece joins the table and DB is moved to the nostolgia table.

>>160232188
Saying that everything in One Piece is the best shows how biased you are. I bet you haven't even watched the other stories. Someday when you grow up and have a broader view you will realize how wrong you are.

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well drawn backgrounds

>>160232010
Honestly prefer it to cluttered backgrounds where it's hard to tell what exactly is going on in the panel.

>>160231827
Not really. I actually care for the series and story and not just because I'm too far in. Rarely
do OP fans complain about quality unless its QUALITY.

>>160232188
>>160233172
I'll write the cons then even though the anon isn't wrong.
Off putting artstyle. Western inspired that will take time to get used to or just drop it.
Lack of training for characters (fixed with the time skip) Naruto and Bleach had training arcs and chapters where as One Piece does not. When they had power ups it was more of a realization that they could use the power rather than they trained for it.
Gags get over used to the point they are annoying. Sanji nosebleed is the most annoying next to Okama island.
Sameface/Designs are worse than Ichigo same face. Post time skip a lot of the designs are Nami or Robin with a slightly different hair style.

Anime exclusive problems:
Pacing (minus manga for Fishman Island arc) 1-2 chapters per episode in later years
QUALITY
Opening songs and intro to the episode take up 4 minutes of a 21 minute episode

>>160233001
Bleach is all about the fights, action & sheer insanity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQN7zrLQDKk

Or the insanity like mayuri infects szayel with that drug that makes time slow down in his head and every second is a hundred years then he slowly moves his blade right to the edge of his heart then breaks it and leaves him standing there. In his mind thousands of years have gone by and he feels the pain of the blade touching his heart for thousands and thousands of years not being able to die begging for death.

>>160233693
Kinda like Dragon Ball as well then. I couldn't get into either. Naruto at least was more story and character focused at first.

FMA was a better battle shonen than all four of these.
>MC wasn't a borderline retard or stoic to the point of being boring

>Supporting characters were useful and weren't there simply to job, or get their ass kicked by the big bad to piss the hero off enough for his next power up
>no power level shit
>Useful female characters
>MC doesn't keep getting power ups surpassing all other character s until their only use again is to cheerlead for the MC and job against the badguys so the MC can get mad

>>MC isn't even the most powerful of the characters and doesn't get his major power up and punch out god till the very end. Even then the main boss was weakened by the combined effort of the supporting cast

>It actually knew when to end.

200 years from now new chapters of One Piece will be cranked out by Oda who at that point will be a brain in a jar attached to a machine body

>>160234422
Oda knows when to end it. Jump doesn't. Oda's genetically made clone will be forced to keep working while Oda worked himself to an early grave. Side note as FMA and One Piece are my favorite action shonen, FMA isn't fun.

>>160234422
FMA was really good the fights were unique & written well but not intense at all

>>160234422
>Useful female characters
>>MC doesn't keep getting power ups surpassing all other character s

But ed literally fought the God jesus character in the show in a 1v1
>>160233492
No one wants to see training arcs

>>160226112
Bleachfags are so gay

>>160232188
/thread

>>160234557
As much as One Piece is an Oda makes it up as he goes along and doesn't get tripped up- the development of new moves pretime skip were a bother. Sure, the didn't make a system of power so its open and free to the imagination but it would have been nice to have a training arc pretime skip of some sort.

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>kubo networth $50 million
>toriyama networth $45 million
>kishomoto networth $20 million

>>160232188
You forgot one thing.

Oda actually cares about his manga and it's very clear.

Naruto, hxh, bleach, etc you can tell they only draw their manga because its their job. They don't love it. They just do it ao they can get some money from it.

Meanwhile you can clearly see the love Oda pours into his work. It's not just a job for him. He loves his manga and he treats it like it's his life's master piece or legacy. Something he knows he will be remembered for centuries for. He loves his work as much or more than any rabbid fan and treats it such.

>>160234983
I feel like Naruto and Bleach kept continuing for fans at points where the story could have been completed. Oda gave me a sense of he loves his job and story as to why its so long.

>>160234742
So...he was just a fashion designer who was using a top selling manga to shill his clothing lines.

>>160231578

Are you retarded
One Piece Merch in Japan is even bigger than Pokemon

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>>160234742

>>160225452
A head start. I don't like Naruto, but it's a lot better than Wan Pissu

>>160234983
I think the others all love and care for their work, but it's not really fair to compare them to Oda who's just on a different level.

>>160235268
Okay.

>>160235145
The ultimate Kubo troll.

>>160226884
So what's your motivation for wht you're doing every day of your life? I guess very tragic and deep

>>160234557
>But ed literally fought the God jesus character in the show in a 1v1

After he was greatly weakened by a huge team effort, even the military got in on it.

>>160235299
He had a talent for manga and did more work than Kishimoto or Kubo before they all made their most popular series. It's like their series just happened to get popular where as Oda was born to make mango.

>>160225452
just the fact that it didn't shit itself. that's literally it.

Now that FT ended too, what's the new Big Four? SnK? BnHA?

>>160235592
>big four
There was never a Big four. The Western Big three were OP, Naruto, and Bleach. I don't get why FT fanboys try to push Fairy Tail with those three. Bleach and Naruto did go to shit, but they were good at one point whereas FT was shit from the beginning.

>>160235719
>>160235592
This will never not get a chuckle out of me.
http://www.animemaru.com/accident-causes-fairy-tail-to-be-drawn-in-style-of-aot/

It tried to be more than it was made out to be. It could never be as good as One Piece or at least have a good few arcs like Naruto and Bleach. Mashima should stick to drawing ecchi scenes and not write at all.

>>160225452
OP wins because it's not trying too hard, it doesn't need to be edgy, it doesn't need much development, it just needs to be enjoyable...people like simple things best, even better if you can just pick the series up and kind of enjoy it without having to do research on past events to understand it.

>>160235719
FT never took itself seriously, it was a decent parody of shounen till the end, making it consistently good. Also tits.

>>160235863
>if you can just pick the series up and kind of enjoy it without having to do research on past events to understand it.
I feel like you are implying that you jumped in after the time skip like a lot of Naruto fans did for Shippuden.

>>160230103
This

Naruto was ridiculously successful and its spinoffs are still ongoing.

Bleach suffered from horrible boring characters and horrible boring fights which just weren't interesting. One Piece can have boring fights but at least its in a larger more interesting context.

>>160235922
I meant, there is a lot of episodic content, meaning people are not tied down to plot, so you don't need to worry about it and just watch it and enjoy it for what it is.

>>160235816
Exactly. Before Naruto and Bleach go to shit, almost every reader has a favorite early arc and even after they go to shit readers still have certain memorable scenes/characters they love and even a rare good fight or two from the latter arcs. FT has no memorable scene, no memorable villain or character in general, and certainly no memorable arc.

>>160235410
My mother was raped in front of me by my father's evil clone who was created by sacrificing my younger sister.

>>160236041
So long as you know the overall plot and know when new information is presented (which was either foreshadowed or added to the story) nothing is really lost.

semen demon ranking

bleach > fairy tail > one piece > naruto

>>160227152
>HxH is actually good.
Haha, do people actually believe this?

Better example of top 4 manga of Shounen Jump

-Dragon Ball
-Naruto
-One Piece
-Slam Dunk

>>160236093
I stopped like 60 something episodes in. Only thing that got me was Erza's past. I watched Fairy Tail years after One Piece and Naruto and still remember scenes in One Piece over scenes in Fairy Tail. It's sad because I tried to like it because my sister did but it just came off as a copy cat One Piece but with not as impact.

>>160236242
>bleach > fairy tail

>>160235049
I dont see any point where Naruto can be wrapped up cleanly until the very end and even then it was done poorly.

Bleach was a train wreck since after the first arc or so.
>>160235299
They obviously don't. Every thing just happens randomly with very little effort into building it up. For instance if all a sudden kishi wants to make someone stronger or have some kind of false deeper connection he just does a flash back chapter right before a fight and retcons things or add whatever he feels.

On the other hand Oda has already shown a third cup a 100 chapters before hand or told you there is a fishman captain 599 chapters before you seen it or showed you curled eyebrows on a dindin mushi 800 chapters prior>>160235331

>>160236253
Explain how ANY other shounen or even seinen has a better ability and fighting system or deeper characters than the main cast.

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>>160234518
>Oda knows when to end it.
Then why is there still no end in sight? OP should have ended years ago.

>>160236419
Dropped it at 30 episodes. Everyone kept saying that it's going to get good, but nothing that takes 60 fucking episodes to get good can be actually good.

>>160236349
the main fairy tail girls all had the same body(balloon tits) and same face. there is nothing different about erza/lucy/juvia in terms of body and face. at least with rukia and orihime you had a huge difference in design so it was nice.

>>160236360
After the war for Naruto. Bleach's final arc was too long.
>dindin
Isn't it "denden"? He has dun with foreshadowing and world building. Even in the chapter cover pages there are hints to future events.

>>160236515
Fun adventures is why.

>>160236253
HxH is actually a good series. Togashi has arcs that feel focused and thought out. Nen as a magic system isn't too inconsistent although last year got the ball rolling on probably the worst offense he's put into that with "O MY RUBBER NEN". He keeps his stuff tight when you re-read it. And his characters are complex and enjoyable. He's a veteran author that now has a lot more control over his work than he did with YYH.

But his godawful work ethic will always get in his way. Not to mention if his health is really on the decline it's debatable how much longer he can keep this up.

>>160236419

Idk about "ability and fighting system" but HxH characters are not particularly "deep". Not for shounen and certainly not for Seinen.

>>160225452
Fairy Tail was never even close to being part of the big three, don't mention them in the same sentence like that.

>>160236125
Also I could only escape thanks to my dog sacrifising himself by biting off my uncle's balls. My uncle now wears his skin and I live my daily life and work in McDonalds to avange my family.

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Naruto lost it's touch after the timeskip and went full retard powerlevel wise after Sakura + Chiyo vs that Akatsuki guy. After Itachi vs Sasuke the manga turned into an absolute abomination.

Bleach was amazing up until the Arrancar arc, which I still think it was unironically great (Grimmjow vs Ichigo is still the tighest shit ever), but the Winter War and Espada's 0 (lol, fucking Kubo), 1&3 dropped the ball super hard and it just never recovered after that besides maybe Ulquiorra vs Ichigo. Last arc started good but it just keep fucking up and getting worse the longer it went on and ended up being a rushed shitfest.

Fairy tail was never good, but at least the girls were hot and was easy to follow, so it was okay.

One Piece is a strange case of rollercoaster syndrome. Started being mediocre, but after Arlong it became good and then it had amazing arcs like Skypiea or Arabasta, good arcs like Water7/Ennies Lobby (the powerup asspulls is what doesn't allow me to consider them great), Thriller Bank (yes, this one was good, fuck you) and Impel Down, rest of the arcs not mentioned were mediocre. However, Marineford was a huge clusterfuck waste of time and after they introduced haki and timeskip happened, manga went to shit. Dressrosa is still literally the only arc worth giving a shit (maybe this one will turn out good, I don't know) and it felt like a shittier Arabasta with all these characters doing who gives a fuck shit nobody cares and the whole Fire Fruit ended up into a literal who from a flashback Oda made up that never really existed before that point instead of someone else (seriously, we could've someone with a logia for the Strawhats, that would've been cool as shit).

Honestly, they all went to shit. Only worthwhile shounen shit worth following now is Hero Academia and that one hasn't reached the peaks that the Big 3 did at their best and is not even close to HxH or Jojo in overall quality.

>>160225452

It never stopped trying to be more than what it was

>>160236619
>After the war for Naruto

The war was still going on until Madara disappears hell the war wasn't even over then

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So which was worse?
Naruto
>muh sasuke

Bleach
>muh protect

Fairy Tail
>muh friendship

>>160236950
Naruto by far.

>>160236515
How can it end with so many islands and adventures left to discover

>>160236599
I was going to say this was the only way you could put Bleach over Fairy Tail. I'm a fan of bigger boobs is why I chose Fairy Tail but Kubo does have more variety in body shape. Since they aren't all hour glass minus the young characters plus Levy. Oda needed to quit while he was ahead with his female character designs. It's sad because they used to look really nice.

>>160236907
I'm an animefag for One Piece so all the arcs got better as they went along. Time skip was a nose dive but still better of other shonen titles.

>>160236950

Fairy Tail.

Bleach and Naruto atleast had bits of good/great in them.

Even in it's own general people admit they're there for the fan service.

>OPfags still somehow think Japan = the world.
These people never went to school. How can someone's brain come to this conclusion if they had proper education?

>>160236679
>>160236643
One of you says HxH isn't deep the other says it is complex.

Which one is lying?

>>160236599
Matsumoto and Orihime were different enough even though they were both titty monsters. Same with Nel really.

Kubo is a really good character designer, but a complete fuck up in terms of writing.

>>160236907
You're so spot-on with the Bleach one. It was selling its best during the second arc, but sales dropped during FKT and just kept dropping. Final arc started good and it's first volume sold over 700k but that was the only volume of the final arc to reach a number like that which is no surprise since the arc kept getting worse with only some good fights/moments.

>>160236950
I'm all for brotherly friendship or whatever but Naruto was annoying as shit with that and the series got worse the more they focused on it.

Friendship is magic bullshit in Fairy Tail was annoying because they could win fights because they remembered they have friends. That's not cute.

Reminder that One Piece's quality dipped after Alabasta. And it turned to absolute after the timeskip.

>>160236950
For me bleach and Naruto.

Fairy tale isnt as bad because it doesn't let me down by pretending to be more than what it is like naruto and bleach

>>160237098
I don't think that the characters are Deep. But I think that Togashi has used the cast to show some fairly nuanced interactions for shounen and it's one of the reasons why you'll see the occasional person mistake HxH for seinen.

>>160236643

Rubber Nen wasn't even that bad.

Nen can get stronger after you die and he just willed it to expand and contract his heart so he can get the blood flowing again.

It's not medically accurate for sure, but in terms of power it did what it's supposed to.

Until Kishimoto has One Piece's sales it will stay true that One Piece is the best selling manga in the world.

>>160237244
Alabasta was the worst arc. It only took off from there.

>>160237436
>Alabasta was the worst arc.
Get that shit taste off this board.

>>160237436
>Alabasta was the worst arc
t.Foxycuck.

>>160237436

>Alabasta was the worst arc.

How can you say that when Punk Hazard exists?

FI for all of its hype only had Fisher Tiger in there and he was a short flashback.

>>160237409
The problem is that the bar for emotional threshold set for Nen after death was set fairly high. And some fans, myself included, find it hard to believe that Hisoka had the same resolve in death to come back; that Pitou had to protect the king thus activating Terpsicorp or what Kurapica was supposed to have given his massive grudge against the spiders.

Hisoka is a combat junkie that got outplayed and kind of "Welp, I might die. Might as well try this now" and it works.

>>160237547
>>160237409
O MY RUBBER NEN has to be the most blatand "I had this character survive because I like him/fanbase likes him" since Byakuya surviving the last Bleach arc.

>>160230973
>>160231578
>>160231643
If One Piece has sold significantly more manga volumes and has way more theatrical releases, why the fuck would it be selling less retards?

>>160237469
I felt like I was being dragged through the desert with them. That's not a compliment either. Only good part was the end. Skypeia was such a step up.

>>160237494
Foxy in the anime was good. I'm glad they added more of him.

>>160237543
Worst arc pre time skip. Fishman Island was hyped more than it should have because it's been talked about since CP9. It wasn't bad just long and Sanji was annoying. Right when you miss the crew being together he had to ruin it. This is coming from him being one of my favorite characters pre-time skip.

I think a great patt of one piece success is a genious move of Oda to use the first page to advqnce secondary storylines and keep you up to date with other characters without deviating form the main story, this helps with world building and theory speculation as to how that would affect the plot for the fans.

>>160237547

I doubt you need to have the same resolve that Pitou had inorder to have your nen live on just a strong one.

Hisoka just pumped his heart with his nen and it wound up reviving him.

Pitou outright kept on fighting without a fucking head being driven by pure will. Those two are incomparable. It would be like if Chrollo blew his skull off and he just started killing off the Spiders moments later.

It's why killing Kurapika wasn't an option, sure he would've died, but his nen would'nt have revived him it would've just spiked Chrollo while it was still on him.

>>160232443
>had some problems with the faces though.
Like what?

Ichigo is still the most handsome shounen MC I've come across in years.

Oda is good at covering up for his weaknesses. He's not that much of a better writer than the others, but he doesn't let the plot dominate the lighthearted adventure parts.

Naruto turned to shit because Kishi scaled it up too much and tossed the groundwork for the characters in the trash. Started as a classic underdog story, but turned into chosen one bullshit
Sasuke worked as a rival, but turned into a complete cunt undeserving of any sympathy, and never did anything to redeem himself. They fought to a stalemate, and suddenly everything was good.

Bleach turned into a heap of shit sometime during the Mexico arc. It became more about letting characters have their fucking moment of glory to satisfy the pathetic popularity poll voters, instead of actually writing a story.

FT was nothing but a shounen trope checklist with fanservice. The writing was so atrocious I could shove a pen up my ass and fart out a better story.

>>160237543
I like every arc, idk why there has to be a "worst arc"
If I had to pick a least best it would be the davy back fight, but it was still fun as fuck

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>>160238245

He doesn't compare to Akira.

>>160238262
>. He's not that much of a better writer than the others

I don't get why every one wants to hate things just because it's the best or most popular.

EXPLAIN how Oda isn't massively better at writing stories compared to the others. He outright makes some of them look like compete hacks and trash.

>>160238379
I don't hate OP you faggot. I think it's not as good as it used to be but it's still one of my favorite manga, and look forward to reading every new chapter.

>>160227102
I'm sure that's what HxH fans are asking every time it goes on hiatus. Which should be any day now, the cucks.

>>160236907
Why are you so butthurt with power levels and power ups to the point that you dislike entire arcs because of them? Like I understand if they don't please you but I don't get how can they hurt you emotionally.

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>>160237950
>I doubt you need to have the same resolve that Pitou had inorder to have your nen live on just a strong one.
Nah, the series sets it up as a very strong resolve needed. And since Nen is based on an individuals life force and disappears when you die, being able to keep it persistent after death is a pretty big fucking deal and it's no surprise that all three instances of it prior to Hisoka were based around the idea of grudges.

(Meteor City elder made an ability to Aloha Snackbar his enemies, EVERYONE not in meteor city is his enemy. Pitou needs no introduction, and Kurapika has a massive grudge against the troupe.)

>but his nen would'nt have revived him
It's not about revival, it's about having nen still active once the source has expired. Pitou doesn't revive, his body just gets puppeted. If the Troupe had killed Kurapika maybe Judgement chain would have speared him through the heart instantly or maybe mutated into something that could never be removed since we now know that exorcism is based on being able to withstand the burden of the evil nen.

Hisoka introduced a thought that "if he could do it, why can't any other nen user just will their nen to work after death?" because he didn't get the same buildup or weight to his actions that the other cases did. Even the Meteor City elder who is never shown on screen is more believable.

>>160238262
It's a different series than Naruto and Bleach. It's light hearted and fun while still being story and character focused. He doesn't stray from what he set out to do, which is to have fun with pirates while creating a fun world and interesting story. I'm sure Oda could make a series similar to Naruto or Bleach and be better at it still though but a silly series suits him better.

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>>160238245

I dont fet how OP is so popular. It is cpnsistwnt, but holy ahit it's slow. Only one chapter per episode! It should go on a 1 year hiatus and then Bleach can air TYBW arc and then OP can fucking up the pace

>>160238961
It appeals to both kids and adults. Lots of Japanese fans have grown up with it rather than out of it like for Bleach and Naruto. Oda has an eye for fun and story telling.

>3 Shonen Jump characters and 1 from Shonen Magazine in that pic

I hate pics like these. It's like those crossover fan art pics that have like 10 Shonen Jump characters but the artist felt the need to add Ed or Inuyasha into the mix for whatever reason.

It triggers my anime autism. Thanks OP

>>160238379
Stop sucking Oda's dick faggot. As a writer he is just mediocre, nothing else.
>Explain
One Piece is full of inconsistencies, many more than Naruto or other stories.
Off the top of my mind: haki, sugar's devil fruit, Luffy surviving Sengoku, ace being retarded, enies lobby power ups, etc.
There isnt any relationships among the characters aside from the nakama faggotry, which is very bland.
The characters barely have any depth, how they act is very predictable.
Foxy arc is canon.
Do I have to keep going?

>>160225452
One Piece hasn't taken everything good about it and through it out the window (yet)

dunno about Fairy Tail

>>160227542
Naruto only gotten banned when it jumped the shark.

before then it was on One Piece's level of grudging acceptance.

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>>160239065
There's probably more people who support Bleach now then there was when the anime was still going.
Thanks to the continuation of the manga the LPs, the movies, the games especially Brave Souls that has over 10 million downloads.
Figure that's 10 million players making daily micro transactions.
And a live action film coming out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfCaBd2_KqQ

One way or another the thousand year blood war arc is going to get animated & most likely so will the LPs it's just a matter of time.

If brand new Bleach arc started tomorrow there isn't a single person here that wouldn't watch it.

You can do just about anything in the One Piece universe. You can tell almost any story.

>>160225452
opshilled after dragonball, naruto was original and bleach was a mix of saint seiya/yyh.

>>160225452
It capitalizes on the sense of fun and adventure that the original Dragon Ball had and caters to ALL ages.

>>160239318
It won't. They have a formula that works and know their limits.

>>160239428
It still fell in manga sales and quality. I'm sure because the series is shorter and aimed more towards teenagers that the fans are still teens to early 20s compared to One Piece's salary man aged readers.

>>160225663
>Watching anime adaptations of shonen
Why would you do that to yourself?

>>160239669
They called everything trash while probably watching less than one tenth of the series. Also said Bleach was better than the other series. Bleach fans at their finest again.

Bleach and Naruto could've caught up to it if they just kept control of their narratives.

you can tell that Kubo and Kishimoto both started making it up as they went about 150 chapters in, where it feels like Oda has a clear plan.

also one piece can do comedy and drama where as most manga writers are lucky to be able to do one.

>>160235816
Name of the chapter?

>>160238515
Ok but explain how Oda isn't massively better at writing if you claim he isn't.

>>160239228
>One Piece is full of inconsistencies, many more than Naruto or other stories.

Elaborate. Just saying haki doesn't tell us shit. Poor bait otherwise

>>160236515
Too much content. Oda's editors are forcing him to quicken the already fast pace. We're blazing through WCI.

It doesn't take itself too seriously, and has managed not to devolve into powerlevel energy blast shit.

>>160225490
"Was"
Japan hates Boruto.
The west is all that keep it's going.

>>160225452
>What is it that OP has, the other three don't?
More chapters

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>>160230476
>Yes, please tell me how Neji's role in the great war is worse than say Renji's role at the end.
Sure thing:

Renji gets a major power-up and a kickass fight against Mask de Masculine, teams up with Ichigo in the final battle against Yhwach, and ends up marrying Rukia who he loved since childhood.

Neji dies like a bitch and his death is used by Hiashi to get Naruto and Hinata to fuck.

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>>160238245
He is perfect

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>>160239910
>where it feels like Oda has a clear plan
rinse repeat rinse repeat rinse repeat over and over a few hundred times because he knows One Piece fans have to much time invested in the show to abandon it.

If the fans weren't so fucking brainwashed by years of force reading & watching shit they might be able to see how pic related should NEVER be compared to the art of Kubo & Bleach & let's be fair there's a number of much better anime not just Bleach.

Things like FT, Naruto & One Piece can even touch the style of Bleach fighting.
The only thing that's really in the same ball park & even better at times is Dragon ball when Goku is going ballistic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErLZBszCgDs

>>160240317
You mean used by Kishimoto. He even admitted that he killed Neji to bring those two closer.

>>160237041
Say something is the biggest product in japan, the biggest market, and sells 500 units there, and the second biggest market, where it sells 90 units, and something else is more popular in the west and it gets outsold by 15 copies in a dozen or so countries, the total amount of op readers is still higher. Thats being lenieant, because I don't know many people who collect manga in america anyways, the point is the american market isn't big.

>>160240317
kinda glad he died though. he probably would've ended up with literal who tenten.

>>160240391
>bleachfag is calling other people brainwashed
oh I am laffin

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>>160239228
>One Piece is full of inconsistencies

It amazes me that people still act like the one piece world is supposed to make sense by our standards, Franky built himself into a cyborg powered by cola, Zoro can slice a ship in half with the shockwave from his sword, Sanji can light his legs on fire with the heat of his passion.

One piece is a world where the most supreme force is will power, things like Haki and devil fruits doing crazy things are just extensions of that, one piece never violates its own internal consistency, the one piece world works on some kind of fairly tale esqe logic where things happen based on thematic power rather than logic or reason.

>>160240391
I prefer Bleach, but a lot of its fight are also rinse repeat.

Oda to his credit knows how to appeal to a wide range of audiences from childhood to seniority. Naruto was made for kids to teens while Bleach was made for teens. Fairy Tail was made for idiots.

>>160240472
Its fucking dumb that he was completely right in what he said to Naruto during their fight and Naruto was completely wrong

>>160240391
Oda has very detailed world building, when i say Oda has plan what mean is that he knows the beginning and end of the story and everything in the middle is just him showing of his world where every island feels like and entirely different setting and where every character has their own unique design and motivations.

One Piece doesn't often go full tryhard mode.
Bleach and Naruto started to become way too serious and dark and 'mature' for their own good.

i think this video explains pretty well why one piece its above the rest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYtz2ZhKxFE&t=352s

>inb4 shill

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>>160240502
For the love of god look at it this is worse then 1980's GI joe cartoons. It's so bad how can anybody possible subject themselves so such terrible character design?!

>>160240102
I thought everyone knew at this point...
Basically haki is non existent pre Marineford, Oda invented it midway in the story. In the new world random Marines and pirates have haki, Lucci and many Sichibukai don't. Even after haki was introduced suddenly armament haki turns black. Also observation haki supposedly is used to predict attacks but no one predicts shit (for example Akainu)
It is obvious that Oda had a hard time adding haki to One Piece because he hadn't initially thought about it.

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>>160240317
Neji also had a fight during the war. Also here we have Renji's major contribution in the fight with Yhwach. He could've done the same without a power-up

Point is, both end wars just let the old characters face off an opponent to be relevant for a second again.

>>160240730
it looks fine to me, I dont get your complaint?

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>>160225452
There are people in this thread RIGHT NOW that can't enjoy things for what they are.

Pity them

>>160240502
>crazy things are just extensions of that, one piece never violates its own internal consistency
You could use this argument for literally any inconsistent anime.

>>160240793
>Also observation haki supposedly is used to predict attacks but no one predicts shit (for example Akainu)
A HURR DURRR A DURRRR HURRR
>what is skypiea
>what is amazon lily
>what is whole cake island
Literally every use of CoA has been people predicting shit because that's what if fucking does.

>>160240502
The things you mentioned are normal in the OP world. I'm talking about things that make no sense in the OP world, for example the absence of haki pre Marineford. The fact that I even have to explain this shows how much in denial you are.

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>>160240659
That's what sets it apart from this little kid fairy tale one piece stuff & nobody gets it.
These animes aren't on the same level it's totally different.

>>160240391
I can't believe I just read this. I'm not brainwashed. It's a better series is all there is to it.

Why do you keep using an ampersand when you don't need to?

>>160240926
Sorry I meant CoO not CoA obviously

>>160240391
Poor bait but what you are basically attempting to say is bleach has better fights.

I havent seen anyone argue that bleach didn't have better fights in this thread.

>>160240793
Well Lucci wasn't in the New world so...

Naruto>>bleach>>>shit>fairy tail>dogshit>one piece

>>160240793
Haki was formally introduced on CP9 and can be shown in the first chapter with Shank's saving Lucy as a kid. Since here had to be a way non debil's fruit users could be strong as well.

>>160240987
Maybe they like Bleach's right behind you fights.

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>le one piece has bad art meme

you watched the first episode made 20 years ago and sttoped watching because they werent shooting energy laser beams faggot

>>160240867
Neji by far got the worse treatment. Renji at least got to be relevant all through the series whereas Neji faded into the background which is a shame since he was one of the better written characters and on top he's killed off to bring a pairing closer since Kishi couldn't bother to develop the relationship between Naruto and Hinata properly.

That's not even the fucking worst. The worse is Kishimoto trying to pass Hinata as Neji-level who was literally prodigy.

>>160241030
shit>>>>>bait=your post

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>>160240922
>>crazy things are just extensions of that, one piece never violates its own internal consistency
>You could use this argument for literally any inconsistent anime.

no you really cant, like I said, an anime is not inconsistent if it plays by its own rules, like one piece does, its only if an anime violates its own consistency that there is a problem.