Dragon Ball Super

>>160225310
last two got deleted.

maybe janis went loco?

>>160225310
if you change super sayian transformations with money cauliflas reactions make a lot of sense.

toriyama is old school.

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>>160225310
the last thread i was in was just about 400 replies but it was all the sudden deleted


is dbs being purged from /a/

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>>160225310
Reminder that Son Goku is beautiful.

>>160225310
Maybe people realized that there is really no point in discussing anything, when currently 90% of the anons are shitposters?

But then I sadly remembered , this is 4chan.

>>160225392
you dont get to decide that. people that work for FREE do!

back to /v/

Fucking caulishits fucked up the threads so much with their seething against chadhan..

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>>160225454
Being o much of a newfaggot that he can't even link me to >>>/v/

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>Jiren: This can't be.... His power is too much.. I...

>>160225468
okay gohan cp poster

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Daily reminder that Dyspo is clearly a fucking rabbit, not a cat, and therefore not the same race as Beerus.

>>160225522
>>160225522
That's our boy.

>>160225597
Why the fuck they made him purple too ? Yeh he's a rabbit.

>>160225597
i was hoping he would be the "speed" guy but he got caught by generic monster

he also reminds me of wesley snipes.

why didn't ox king kill king piccolo?

>>160225522
The Pedros know how to animate now?

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>>160225348
These 2 characters ruined dragon ball super.
Lots of people dropped it because of them.

>>160225693
we need MORE motherfucking ox king to be honest.

>>160225721
Pedros only draw manga, like the AF guy and Tacotaro

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The fact that Tenshinhan was obviously holding a significant amount of his power + the fact that Yurin gave Roshi got a Babidi-tier power-up + the scriptwriter for this episode is infamous for making braindead decisions;
that is something that you can easily accept and move on with.

However, claiming something like, Goku was without a doubt holding back against Kale because, Muh Infallible Main Character;
that is just being fucking stupid.

>>160225348
It's not being purged. You fucking idiots are making too many topics at a time.

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Was this canon?

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>>160225745

>>160225786
>AF guy
>Toyotaro
? Unless you mean the actual (original) creator of AF who happens to be a spic.

Shut the FUCK up

>>160225811
But Goku was holding back against Kale. Unless he's using Kaioken, he's holding back. He's not giving it his all unless he's using his all.

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>ywn get to suckle on Kale's dainty, sweaty fist

Why live?

>>160225819
There weren't any other threads.

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>actually tried to bully kale

lmao

>>160225811
OO MY HOLDING BACK NEN

>>160225811
Tien was clearly tired and hurt afterwards, Goku wasn't

Learn to read expressions you fucking retard

>>160225850
the fight people were saying "goku was holding back" on was when krillin held off an SSB kamehameha, also i dont know why my post was deleted but whatever.

>18 happy Krillin saved her in the previous episode
>Happy about their teamwork n shit
>Angry at NotFrieza for one-shotting him,
>A cunt to Krillin in the next episode for no reason
Why is this show SO inconsistent? Jesus fucking christ. I'm a dragonball tard, but it's grating at this point. That, and the inflated powerlevels are kind of hurting my suspension of disbelief a little. SSJB is god-level but yet a character with one of the more common transformations in the series can tank a blast from Goku because reasons. It's almost like none of the conflict and growth matters because no matter how many increasingly stronger enemies Goku fights, low-level shitters are able to keep up.

>>160225943
that's on the chart too

Akira Toriyama is unironically the Japanese George Lucas. They both wouldn't have been remembered nearly as much if they had full, unquestioned control in their early to mid days, they both decided to continue their Series and have a goddamn unquestioned control more than a decade after the fact, and they were both in their 30's when their Careers skyrocketed. It all makes sense now.

>>160225977
>a character with one of the more common transformations in the series can tank a blast from Goku because reasons.
There are other character's with Kale's transformation?

>>160225907
>Tien was clearly tired and hurt afterwards, Goku wasn't

In you count breathing heavily for 5 seconds after being hit by 100,000 volts of electricity, as being "tired and hurt", that is just laughable and pathetic, Gokufaggot.

>>160225977
different writing teams or comedy came off badly? i dunno man those napkin notes, those japs.

>>160225522
Which episode is this?

>>160225977
The powercreep was getting out of hand in Z already and it made side characters like Yamcha completetly useless.
I'm glad they decided to make other characters more relevant even though them becoming stronger is handled badly in my opinion.

>>160226017
It's basically a hyped version of SSJ. Judging from the Broly movies, all it really takes is some regular ass SSJs to drop a LSSJ. Scaling off of that, it should be assumed that Goku, with years of combat experience and training, should be enough to stop a LSSJ on his own.

>>160225977
Just because a show triggers your autism doesn't mean it's being inconsistent. 18 would definitely harp on Krillin's ass for getting knocked out in such a stupid way. Especially after doing something right. And Krillin would definitely throw away his positive actions to jerk himself off. He's a little dumbass.

I want to fuck Sorrel

>>160226075
This. Super is actually getting things right by treating people like they're in tiers, and not making such a big deal over someone's hair turning a different color, therefore they are now worth 50, 100, 150 or even 200 of themselves.

But Z faggots are so hellbent on things needing to stay ruined because that's what Z did that every episode is just an invitation for more baby powerlevel tears. Goku didn't even take even damage in this episode, and mostly just looked flustered and/or impressed, yet even that's enough to set people off.

>>160225977

18s reaction isn't inconsistency, at first she was angry and shocked at Frost and tand then when the dust settled, she was angry at Krillin.

Anyway, obviously this isn't the end for Krillin in this arc and 17 and 18 insulting him is going to be the motivation for him to redeem himself. There's something more to this arc than tournament that's just going to end with Goku winning and using the super dragon balls to wish all of the universes back, so krillin will have the opportunity to redeem himself.

>>160226060
Chad awakening

>>160226019
And just to prove my point even further. So if Roshi back in OG Dragon Ball, was able to convert his own energy to 20,000 volts of electricity.
That means that thanks to his bullshit power increase, Roshi should be able to bare minimum shoot 1,000,000 volts, as a matter of fact. The more you know.

>>160226207
I think people started projecting themselves onto Krillin and just want the two of them to have a perfect, 100% positive relationship. You know, since the viewer will never have one. So when that illusion gets shattered, they get angry at the writers for treating them like people and not dolls for their projection fantasies.

>>160226122
Movie is not cannot, comparisons with broly are retarded.

>>160226258
*Not canon

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>>160226256
>I think people started projecting themselves onto Krillin
Who? Beta manlets who get fucked in the ass by life on an hourly basis?

>>160226256
It's not even projecting. Personally, it felt off for 18 to just start suddenly being a cunt during the whole thing.

>>160226258
Not canon, but have things we can look at and compare to.

>>160226280
Probably. Or people desperate to feel loved by 18.

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Even though he got like 3 episodes hyping up his power/usefulness in the ToP. He has more or less done nothing at all.

>>160226307
You just can't. Broly movie came around Cell saga, the power levels are based on that. Kale was introduced in super obviously her transformation is a lot stronger than Broly.

>>160226333
The trips of sad truth

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>>160226333
Getting hyped up means literally nothing.

>>160226348
Breh, they're the same transformation.

>>160225983
oh, noticed now, i forgot gohan was there

>>160226376
Did you read the post?

>>160226374
t. Devastated Robotfag

>>160226333
Good. The little faggot has never earned a thing in his life, and his fans are insufferable Toonami bitches. Let him do the same shit he always does. Sit around letting other people work, then get a bullshit powerup at the last second for fan service.

>>160226401
Wasn't Gohan present in every conflict since raditz? Wasn't his insane power spikes present since then? What the fuck are you crying about?

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>>160226333
Even though he got like 3 episodes hyping up his power/usefulness in the ToP. He has more or less done nothing at all.

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>want to watch Super
>but the power scaling being completely thrown out the window gives me physical pain

I mean I never thought they could make SSJ a more meaningless transformation after the whole Goten/Trunks/Gotenks shit but here we are

>>160225597
He's the U11 equivalent of Beerus' race, meaning Beerus and Champa are from U2.

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Reminder that Cell is best DBZ villain.

>>160226506
He stood around watching in nearly every conflict, yeah. Or peeing his pants. Then gets a bullshit powerup from someone, uses one attack and goes back to crying.

He's also lost every fight he's ever been in.

>>160226571
Yes rabbits and cats makes sense

>>160225977
>>160226376

Whats the point of a broly homage if it's not going to be just as badass and unstoppable as he was in the movie?

>>160226599
Cell.

>>160226629
Which he lost.

>>160226599
He beat Cell and lost against Buu for being too arrogant. So what other fights did he lose where he was doing one on one and wasn't just part of the help? Training doesn't count.

>>160226601
The nu-saiyans from U6 are pretty different from U7 saiyans.

>>160226643
He literally killed cell so hard that not even a cell was left.

>>160226520
I think the reason so many people hate her transformation is because we remember achieving the form to be incredibly difficult. Even the guy who showed her how to use it underwent some emotional distress from the "threat" of his home planet being destroyed. It looks very Mary Sue-ish because we expect this character to actually be playing a part in the story, where as Goten/Trunks/Gotenks weren't expected to be that major. On top of that, their transformations were imo, gags to joke that everyone else worked their ass off but two kids just did it with no effort.

Anyone got that chart that shows who's been eliminated so far?

>>160226643
Not at all, he would lose if it wasnt for Vegeta and Goku's encouragement.

>>160226575
That's not very hard when he has to compete with a fat blob and literal space napoleo-hitler

Nappa and Vegeta of course need not apply

>>160226655
>>160226655
Nah. Cabba is just skinny midget. And they have Asian eyes. That's it.

>>160226599
>Cracks Raditz's armor
>Tried a little after Piccolo died, helped with the spirit bomb
>Stood up to the Ginyu force for a while before having his neck fucking broke
>Beats up his dad after Ginyu steals his body
>Fights Frieza. The big bad of the arc

>>160225840
Yes

>>160226721
The only one who could compete is Piccolo.
Hah, TFS reference. I know they're done to death, but can't help but snicker at them.

>>160226673
He got the shit slapped out of his for about 30 minutes, sat there crying while his friends were nearly killed, got a bullshit powerup, then lost when he let Cell fuck around.

When Cell showed back up, it took everyone helping him, including Vegeta shooting Cell in the back, to fix Gohan's fuck up. And I will point out that during this time, Gohan was, once again, crying, lamenting about his weakness and lack of ability to fight while Goku was literally begging him to stop trying to give up. All the characters agreed with one another while this was all happening that Gohan might have the power necessary to win fights, but he just doesn't have the desire or skill his father does.

That's Gohan. A little bitch that is hand fed everything and given every plot powerup in the book to keep him relevant, so he can have one little moment for faggots that watched Cell when they were 12 to project themselves onto for years to come. He is literally the worst, most undeserving character in the series with the worst fan base. He's never won a single fight, and in between Piccolo and Goku, has only trained about two or three years in his whole life. He's fucking pathetic.

>>160226792
what the fuck was toriyama trying to do passing him off ass the next guy?

jesus christ goku gave a sensu bean to cell also.

Toriyama is autistic as fuck.

>>160226792
Lol you retard the whole point of Gohan character is the fact he doesn't like fighting nor killing. His transformation against Cell wasn't bullshit, Goku knew he was capable of it, he had done in the time room. Cell got advantage because jobbeta was about to get killed and Gohan sacrificed his arm for him. The trauma Gohan went through to transform was well done and explained.

>>160226742
>fucking nothing
>fucking nothing
>btfo
>"beat up Ginyu in Goku's body" != "beat up Goku"
>btfo

>>160226831
Despite how fondly people remember Cell Saga, it was a clusterfuck of bad writing because of Toriyama's editorial switch.

>>160226841
Me no grammar good. Me Gohan fan! Born Mexico proud!

>>160226520
I agree with your points that it feels like it cheapens the SSJ transformation yet it's still consistent and Cabba seems like the kind of douche who would "take a different approach" and come up with a practical way to easily do something that is supossed to be hard, even Vegeta got pissed by his easygoing attitude.

>>160226873
No arguments? Keep seething amerifat.

>>160226842
>Events were Gohan didnt cry are suddenly nothing
Nice job moving the goal posts

i just want gokus fight autism to have some consequences and for him to get his shit slapped. Beerus was right to punish him after he talked to zeno.

>>160225977

> That, and the inflated powerlevels are kind of hurting my suspension of disbelief a little.

did you happen to skip over the entirety of Z?

>>160227069
I already know Goku is just going to revive the universes that got erased with the super dragon balls, but it would be kind of cool if he just didn't do that and wished for more strong people to fight.

>>160227094
>I already know Goku is just going to revive the universes that got erased with the super dragon balls
But that's wrong. You cannot revive what no long exists. What part of total erasure do you not understand? Zeno erases them soul and all. Once they're gone, they're gone.

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>>160226792
>>160226873
How can one survive with such high concentration of sodium chloride in their body?

>>160227109
But people still remember the universe, so it wasn't completely erased

>>160227109
I'm not counting on the universes being gone for good. This is Dragon Ball. Death has very little consequence in their world and I doubt it's impossible to wish the universes back from erasure.

>>160227109
what part of "wish for literally fucking anything" do you not get

>>160227109

Keep in mind that Super Dragon Balls have been stated to have no limits at all

>>160227094
>>160227109
I could see Goku trying to wish the universes back, but then grand priest pops up and is like "That's not how it works you little shit". Then Goku beats him up.

>>160227094

There's no reason why zeno wouldn't just erase them all again.

>>160227109
it would be a great moment if another universe saved the.

>>160226742
>bullshit powerup attack
>did jack shit, fought Vegeta briefly when he was fucked up really badly
>bullshit powerup from Guru
>did nothing against Ginyu force other than needing to be rescued from Guldo
>did indeed bop a confused Ginyu, although Vegeta had to actually do all the work
>bullshit powerup again
>bullshit powerup yet again in the same fight, boosting him into the millions from one year of training and eating dinosaur tails, and a month of crying
>didn't even actually hurt Freeza at any point
>Goku even threatened him if he wouldn't leave since he was getting in the way

Both Gohan and Caulifa will fodderjob

>>160227094
>Goku is MVP
>Everyone is expecting Goku to make a wish to restore the deleted Universes
>Goku says "I'm bored now, I wish myself and U7 were deleted too, I learnt something, I'm dangerous, and I'm bored now

>>160227169
>introduce almost 100 new characters for one arc
>kill most of them without giving them anything to do

>>160227258
>Can we fight the other universes too?

>>160227305
>with the same rules! If they lose they get deleted
>Winner gets to make another wish
>Goku still wishes for Universe 7 to be deleted because he has no more strong guys to fight, Zeno literally deleted the multiverse because of an autistic manchild

>>160227169
I think U9 will stay erased, but the others will survive somehow.

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>>160225310
Reminder that during this time, Yamcha is fucking the shit out of Puar to compensate the fact that his friends didn't choose him to be part of the ToP.

>>160227109
This series consistently invents bullshit rules and exceptions on the fly, why do you guys keep acting as if it doesn't?

>>160227230

>why isn't a child carrying the team
>fucking loser lmao

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>>160225366
Goku looks bad in dbs

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>>160226571

Is that right?

>>160227944
I'd address his adulthood, but literally the only thing he's ever done is not train, lost a fight to Buu after another bullshit powerup due to being suddenly arrogant for no reason, not trained again, gotten the absolute shit kicked out of him by Freeza, read more books, at some ice cream, then trained for about... a week? Month at most? Bullshitted back up to par, so he can stand in a circle with the other B squadders.

>Ribrianne is still not transformed
Why? I want to see more of U2 too.

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>>160225310
Has Cus lost her yay?

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LSS Kale and LSS Broly are the same transformation? or only design are the same?

>>160227184
The part where the Wish Orbs creator wasn't Zeno & they're still Dragon Balls at the end of the day

>>160228044
I wonder if she'll cry when her universe gets erased. Or she'll laugh. It's honestly hard to tell.

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>>160227658

>>160228062
I'm starting to believe not a single one of the Angels besides Whis gives a shit what happens.

>>160226514
Jiren has literally gotten 3 minutes at most of hype before the ToP. Jobhan has Gotten literally 3 whole episodes about him powering up and tons of scenes showing him training and wanting to get stronger. All he's done so far is fire a worthless beam and hide in his cuck circle. He hasn't even fought a single person yet. It's not as bad as Krillin though.

>>160228055
Well,
They don't call Kale the "Legendary Super Saiyan"
Mostly because no legend of a Super Saiyan was ever passed on in their universe.

Kale >>> Broly by a stupid amount power wise as well

>>160226599
Gohan's the one who ultimately forced Vegeta to retreat during the Saiyan arc. They would have been fucked if he hadn't transformed.

>>160227169
They didn't bring back Trunks' future. Aside from Universe 6, these other universes don't even have any world building, and even U6's is very basic and limited, basically just the minimum required to set up Cabba and Frost. There would be no reason to exclude four universes from the tournament if they weren't actually erasing these.

>>160228098
Why would they? They just go dormant and wait to be assigned to their next God of Destruction

It's likely they've already gone through other GoD's before attending to the ones they have now

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>>160228044
There is no yay now, only despair.

>>160227109
So you wish for their erasure to be undone.

The biggest question is: Since this arc is about the strongest fighters in EXISTANCE fighting, where do we go next? We can have some arcs about fighting GoDs and the Angels, but after that, there's nowhere to go.

>>160228143
Four universes were excluded so something with those probably.

>>160228143
There's the other universes. I bet they're gonna have strong fighters or some shit, even though mortal level doesn't equal how powerful a universe is.

>>160228055
Well, closest things to names Kale's transformation has gotten is Berserker Super Saiyan and "Original Super Saiyan". They seem to be deliberately avoiding calling it "Legendary Super Saiyan".

>>160228143
The 4 Universe' that aren't competing stupid

Is there a chart keeping track of who's in and who dropped out? On the top of my head I remember about 23 people dropping out.

>>160228098
Even Whis threw Beerus under the bus when Zeno came to their tournament.

>>160228143

Freeza is the next villain

>>160228134
Zeno was able to kill Zamasu who was made immortal by the Super Dragonballs, that shows his power is above them.

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Jiren's fate foreshading

>>160228127
But why bother with even that if they're going to be gone for good in few episodes? Same applies to Gowasu too.

>>160228170
>Deliberately Avoid

I'd feel like they'd have to go out of their way to call it that.
What the fuck would the basis be?

>Kakkarot! I believe that is the Legendary Super Saiyan from our folklore! Even though we're literal gods, she might put up a fight!

It's better they don't use that name

>>160228098
To be fair, if you were a being "designed" to be neutral, and had been alive for millions of years, you probably wouldn't even remember the last haikaioshin's name, much less care if the whole thing got wiped out.

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>>160228044
did she secretly a godtuber?

>>160228143
The strongest mortal is probay in one of the four excluded realities.

>>160228098
>I'm starting to believe

Figure it out all by yourself champ?
It's amazing how many Dragon Ball fans are retarded and can't understand the simple concept of not being "good or evil".

>>160228250
Or a survivor from one of the original ones that was erased.

>Goku wishes all universes erased by Zeno to be restored
>Brings back the 6 erased previously as well
>"Hey now there's more unknown strong guys, can't wait for the next tournament!"
What are the chances this happens?

>>160228170
>Original
Vegeta called it a Saiyans True Form

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what did toriyama mean by this

>>160228223
I mean mainly Vegeta's reaction. The whole "That might be the Saiyan's original form!" line seemed to be really random and basically just there to avoid saying "Legendary Super Saiyan".

>>160228262
>survivor
Wasn't it established at one point that if Zeno decides to erase your universe, you'll go too, even if you're not currently in your home universe?

Granted, this is Dragonball so I wouldn't put it past them if they forgot of it.

>>160228281
Cringe/10

There's no reason to bring back 6 random universes when we have 4 universes' so great they were exempt from the tournament

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I want to date Caulifa

>>160228296
He wants to erase furries.

>>160228296
that furries should all be erased

>battle royale
>we only ever see U7 fighting people and occasionally U6 and U11 while the background is just explosions and clouds
I think I would've preferred a bunch of Ep 25 tier scribbles brawling over this boring shit

>>160228281
As soon as the tournament was spoiled everyone knew the outcome. Hopefully it'll be something a little less obvious. It's probably better they all come back either way. You can't just introduce a shit ton of new designs and characters and then remove them from canon forever before you even marketed them.

>>160228223
It's Super Saiyan Berserker.

>>160228313
I imagine Zeno can erase whatever he wants, or exclude anything from erasure if he wants.

What did /a/ think about chapter 26? IIRC it played out pretty much the same as the anime.

>>160228298
The whole episode was Fan Service

>Cue Vegeta's worries over not Broly
>Cue Goku getting outclassed in his most serious form's Kamehameha
>Cue Broly's Power "Overflowing"

It was all that gay pay homage stuff,
Make the non canon, canon

Or it was just foreshadowing to one of those Saiyans getting the form themselves

>>160228177
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Tournament_of_Power#Order_of_Elimination

>>160226831
Tori wanted to make him the new MC bit he realized Gohan would be a boring MC ("he's only interested in studying! raffs") and he scrapped that idea and we got Goku back.

>>160228329
No one cares what you prefer anon

>>160228337
They haven't called it that,
I'm not akin to autistic fan names like "Super Saiyan Rage"

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I hate caulifla

>>160228358
The most annoying bit is that the scene Trunks actually feels the weight of failure for failing to save his world when meeting Gohan was only in a bonus chapter, rather than in the main one.

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seriously

how are they going to beat this ningen

>>160228331
Yeah, what would they be thinking including a character like Cell and never bringing back a villain like that again

>>160228425
Super Saiyan Rage comes from Heroes. (Well, "Ikari", Rage is a translation). Kale has been called a Berserker Super Saiyan in magazine summaries, although not as a proper form name, just a description.

>>160228449
Fusion

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>>160228449

Beerus fought the first Saiyan a long time ago, right? Does it mean he was like Kale?

>>160228358
Ending was done much better than episode 67 though. I really enjoyed the new chapter.

>>160228514
quality

>>160228449
Goku will grab Gohan and Tien and use them as human shields. Jiren will kill one of them on accident and he'll get DQ'd

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>>160228449
leave him to our boy GodChadHan.

>>160228534
Back to the cuck circle Jobhan

>>160228449
Same way they always do. Convenient new form.

>>160228358
future cat was awesome
bulma was awesome

gohan ruined everything.

>>160225875
Wrong.

>>160228525
No. He just had a dream about a super saiyan god.

>>160228553
>same thing they always do
>what was the goku blacked arc

>>160228574
SSRage Spirit Sword

>>160225310
Because it's a shit show for autists.

>>160228614
see you next week

>>160228574
Every db villain in history was beaten by an asspull with the exception of Vegeta.
>magic water to beat Piccolo
>convenient new powerful move to beat Raditz
>convenient new form to beat Frieza
>convenient new form to beat Cell
>spirit bomb containing the energy of one planet is somehow stronger than one made with the energy of multiple planets
>Beerus beaten by convienent new form
>Golden Frieza beaten by convenient new form and time travel
>Goku can conveniently go faster than time itself with a move previously rendered unusable
>Zamasu beaten by a spirit bomb from the energy of like 10 people

>>160228633
I watch Kamen Rider and just read how shit the most recent episode was in these threads, watching people despair at the pile of shit they cling to gives me a good feeling that I made the right choice

>Goku wishes that all the deleted Universes were instead fused into U7
>U6 Earth was actually a dystopian hell hole ruled by a god level not-King Piccolo who is now roaming about U7 Earth

>U6 Namekians are mostly warriors to contrast with the peaceful U7 Namekians

>Freeza and Frost are able to commence their evil plans.

>Vegeta visits planet Salada

If only Tori wasn't senile and Toei weren't hacks

>>160227789
Is he fucking vanilia cat Puar? Or shapeshifted Bulma Puar?

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>>160228703
Ooooh Hooo Hooo Hooo I see more and more people see the light!

>>160228721
Both

>>160225721
It's traced from Gohan and Super Buu fight.

What's next SSJ form going to be?
We've used RGB and CMY(K) colors. which doesn't leave us with a lot of original colors left. If Super is ending with this arc, whenever that may be, possibly 50+ episodes to challenge the remaining 4 universes, maybe even gods afterwards, and we're getting another form, I think we're getting SSJ White/Black.

>>160228808
Super Saiyan Chad Super Saiyan
Goku's hair goes blonde and wraps around into a visor cap.

>>160228721
>>160228768
Poor Puar seriously

>>160228390
It's not that Toriyama himself didn't like it, it's just that fans didn't respond well to Goku getting permakilled. Some fandoms just hate change.

>>160228808
There won't be one, DBS will be cancelled before that happens

>>160228659
The red ribbon army and Piccolo jr were beaten pretty fairly.

>>160228313
What is Future Trunks

>>160228808

Berserk saiyan perfectly controled

I want to see people mad

>>160227109
Nice headcanon

>>160228923
He left the multiverse altogether.

>>160228705
End of Z says there is peace on earth between Buu & Then so they can't do your gay fanfic

>>160226724
>implying Goku and Vegeta looked like Cabba at any point in time
Provide proofs

>>160228808
They'll just go for God of Destruction forms next, which have nothing to do with super saiyan. Pure god ki, little muscle mass, no transformed hair.

>>160228972
So Mystic Saiyans?

wakey

wakey

>>160226060
It's obviously fan made.

Eggs and bacey.

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>>160229018
>>160229035
Don't say it

Can someone post MSpaint anon's stuff? I need to save it for future use.

The events of GT were always meant to be canon (at least the shadow dragons), which is why Elder Kai keeps going on and on about misusing the dragon balls.
It was only after it turned out to be a total shitfest that Toriyama decided to make it non-canon.

>>160225840
I'm so ashamed that i jack off so much to that as a pre-teen

>>160228077
What is Cabba's expression supposed to be?

>>160228901
Nah, he said so in an old interview. Gohan isn't suited for the MC role.

>>160228904
>most popular anime in the world today
>cancelled

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>>160229252
This one.

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why didnt anyone turned into a giant and wipe entire arena with one swept?

>>160228808
Something easy to animate; we wouldn't want to give Toei a hard time, would we?

No fur, no excessive amounts of hair, no special markings, etc.

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>>160229138
G O H A N F A G S

>>160226626
Because she got oneshot by Caulifa in her debut. But now, she's somehow strong enough to tank a SSB kamehameha.

>>160229311
>no special markings

Pedro wants some stripes and runic tats

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I love the smell of fat fuck in the morning.

>>160229328
>Because she got oneshot by Caulifa in her debut.

No she didn't.

>>160228402
Woooooa gonna need ice for that burn

>>160229305
Because becoming a giant doesn't increase his ki? He'd just be a big target.

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>>160229316
are Chads

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QUIERO, KEIRU

>>160229219
Nah, in that case Toriyama would have designed the Shadow Dragons too, but he didn't. The old Kai warning about overusing the Dragonballs was just like the line about him being sealed by a villain who wasn't as bad as Buu. It's just random lines to build atmosphere without any deeper intention behind them.

>>160229175
I'm not helping you to shitpost, nigga

>>160229105
Umm no it is not

>>160225740
Good. The less retards in the fanbase, the better.

>>160229441
He only talked about the guy who sealed him once. Every time the dragon balls were mentioned he had to talk about how wrong it was to misuse them.
There was clearly something like the shadow dragons planned, at least some event involving the dragon balls backfiring.
Unfortunately the entire concept of dragon balls has been retconned so we'll never know what it was.

>>160225977
>It's almost like none of the conflict and growth matters because no matter how many increasingly stronger enemies Goku fights, low-level shitters are able to keep up.
That isn't quite true. Attempting to keep consistency with the whole "Freeza is the strongest in the universe!" stuff is why Toriyama avoided just introducing another randomly strong alien, and we went with the androids, a demon, gods and now other universes. Yeah, people stronger than before will always appear and challenge Goku, but the scope clearly changes, even if visually the show doesn't do a good job showing it.

>>160228901
>>160229276
Yep.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/daizenshuu-2-akira-toriyama-super-interview/
>And then the Cell arc ended. Did you think that everyone felt you would put Gohan into the leading role?
>I intended to put Gohan into the leading role. It didn’t work out. I felt that compared to Goku, he was ultimately not suited for the part.

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>>160229316
>caulifla was nothing but a booster for Kale

cant wait for saturday.

>>160228881
I don't think he minds honestly. He doesn't seem to have a whole lot going on in his life outside of Yamcha.

>>160229219
>literal headcanon

What mental gymnastics do you guys use to convince yourselves your imagination is fact?

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>>160229575
oh yeah well gohanfags have to use booster seats cause they're so short

>>160229571
>Spend an entire arc building up Gohan as the new hero.
>Drops it after a few volumes because "Eh, it just didn't work out."

Is it any wonder Dragon Ball went to shit? I mean, for fuck sake. He could have just given Gohan some character development to make him better "Main character" material.

>>160229571
>raffs

>>160225740
yeah, they are the worst. they fucking suck.

>>160229632
The main issue is that as he wrote Gohan he didn't have any goal. You can see that even when he was the Buu Saga's protagonist getting most of the screentime, the plot was entirely moved by other characters, like Videl initially, then Supreme Kai and later Goku, which is probably why Toriyama just gave up and made Goku the protagonist again.

>>160229632
As I said, the true reason is fans whining.

>>160229575
>cant wait for saturday.
Me neither, gonna be fun to see Caulifla and Kale team up with Goku.
Also looking forward to the Caulifla and Kale episode written by Toshio that's gonna air in a few weeks most likely.

>>160228449
Enemy mine situation+unexpected power boost.

>>160229704
You mean editors.

>>160228590
>what is wallpaper zamas

>>160229138
Fuck off senpai

>>160228972
Isn't that what that poster was teasing? A new form in which Goku look like his base form, but the power seems to there

>>160225740
>People still whining about female characters doing shit.

It's 2017, get with the times grandpa.

>>160229632
>>Spend an entire arc building up Gohan as the new hero.
>>Drops it after a few volumes because "Eh, it just didn't work out."

How's this bad?
It DIDN'T work out. Would you rather he churn through using Gohan, far less popular than his father, overtly against fan's wishes? Is being reciprocative a bad thing?
And honestly, Gohan's handling wasn't even bad. His enormous potential was built up through Z up until the Cell arc, when Goku realized he was the only surefire bet against the immediate threat. He then hit his crescendo, and moved to the side, because his character is not that of a natural defender. He wouldn't have functioned as an MC nearly as well as Goku.
Toriyama build up a side-character reasonably, gave him a moment, and then he went back to being a side-character, because that's all he ever was.

>>160228514
those pupils

>>160229696
To be fair, even when Goku was the protagonist. Villains and secondary characters drove the plot 99% of the time.

>Goku unlocks his Limit Breaker form
>can stack Kaioken on top
>Goku beats Jiren and wins the tournament
>his wish: "I want to fuse permanently with Vegeta!"
>Vegetto Limit Breaker x100 beats the Grand Priest and both Zenos
>timeskip
>he gets a visit from some bird aliens
>DBM becomes canon
>yfw

>>160229696
He could have easily fleshed out Gohan's super hero persona and made him someone who truly wanted to save the world. Having him stumble a bit at the start after going soft in a time of peace, only to have him pull himself together and become a man his father could have left he world in the hands of safely would have been a good character arc and nice passing of the torch.
It's funny how Toriyama tried to have Goku pass the torch three times to Gohan only to have fans and editors hate good narrative.

It's been like 5 months now, are we ever going to get a full version of the opening? Is there something spoilery in the full lyrics that they're hiding from us?

>>160229863
They're hiding Freeza's "Survivor" portion of the lyrics.

>>160229823
>far less popular than his father
Gohan was the most popular character at the end of the Cell Saga. The issue is that Toriyama's handling of him in the Buu Saga crashed his popularity hard (from 1st place to 6th). There was no reason the Buu Saga had to happen like what we saw coming from the Cell Saga.

If we had gotten a Gohan who took seriously the weight of protecting the world, rather than just focusing on his own studies, and Vegeta, rather than going back to trained, had remained depressed like at the end of the Cell Saga, when he said he wouldn't fight anymore, we could have seen very different reactions to their actual Buu Saga versions.

Rather than a pointless tournament that had no real matches, Toriyama could just have made Gohan fighting crime leading him to uncovering Babidi's plot somehow, for example.

GT will be canon by the end of super. Screencap this.

>>160229933
Ey, fuck you

Majin Vegeta was great

>>160229972

The only way GT becomes canon is by undoing Super, which would be stupid. They won't kill a successful show for that one that almost buried DB in Japan for a decade (seriously, even games became very scarce for a long time before Budokai 1 came out and started the franchise's revival).

If End of Z is still going to be canon, Krillin's gotta age hard in the next couple years.
Not to mention Trunks and Goten.

>>160226124
Wanna elaborate? How is kuririn not one of the smartest fighters on the battlefield?

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You just know they'll be recycling scenes from the opening for the Goku vs Jiren fight. I hate Toei

>>160229823
It's bad because it's shit story progression. You can't just spend an entire arc building up one character as "The new hero". Only to completely drop that angle in the next arc so that you can bring the old guy back. It's lazy, bad writing.

Like, i agree that if something doesn't work, you should change it. But there's a difference between change and just going backwards.

>>160229851
i like him being a bumbling great sayaman too but he a 'scholar' now doing nothing.

I dont think chichi even gets any of that satan money before super.

Can you imagine team capn gohan trying to get everyone else to dress as sayaman? to do poses? the reactions would be funny, they would all unite against the pride troopers.

it writes itself but toriyama has a terrible sense of humor.

>>160230219
Universe 2 is going to win. Isn't it? Unless ALL of them job to the pride troopers. Which i could see happening.

>>160230219
missing the yardrat

>>160230216
I wish Gohan would have brought his Saiyaman costume or fawned over how cool the Pride Troopers are or something.
That would have been great.

>>160230281
I think there is a reason he used the orange gi.
the napkin notes they got probably told them
to do so...

>>160230281
instead he has a copy paste goku body for easier animation.

>>160230371
I hope it wasn't on the napkin because then maybe Toyo could do it.

>>160230277
Prove the yardrat is out.

>>160230281
Toei would have to animate a different outfit for him and that would be too much work.

>>160230277
>this yadrat got eliminated meme again
WATCH THE EPISODE CLOSELY SENPAI

>>160230107
>But there's a difference between change and just going backwards.

But they didn't go backwards. They had Vegeta and Goku express outwards disappointment that Gohan had been slacking, and had him renew his power with the Ultimate boost.
They handled him perfectly fine for his character: a guy with ridiculous innate potential, but ultimately an academic.

>>160230470

It would be kinda neat that not only does he refuse to use ss, but he also uses his own attire

>>160225522
>gohanfags are so desperate that they have to animate their own series just so he can win for once

>>160230526
>>160230598
watching the episode closely you can tell the yardrat went out of bounds and got sent to the audience

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>>160230277
Hold on there bub, that cheap shot from the Saiyan whore when I was holding back wasn't enough to take me out.

>>160229850
>DBM
fuck off Javier

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>>160225597
he looks nothing like a rabbit

>>160230624
I would kill for a Gohan outfit incorporating the turtle school gi, Piccolo's clothes, and the Saiyaman outfit (sans helmet).

>>160230669
What's wrong with their knees?

>>160230642
Prove it.

>>160225877
Freezy Pop could have punted this guy out of the ring but he didn't.
It's like all he wants to do is torture instead of racking up points.
Worst teammate

>>160230729
Prove that he didn't.

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I want another universe to die again, this is boring

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So is this guy the U6 version of Cell or something?

Couldn't find him among the known fighters. Either U6 or U4?

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>All this people being ok with Goku being forever the protagonist

You guys are the reason Undertaker had to wrestle as an old man and almost died in th ring one time in the last years. You just can't let go. Gohan would fit just fine as the protagonist, its not like Goku is some magnificent deep one of a kind character, he was either jap Superman or a fightning druggie. Thats it, thats his character, Gohan at his worse is more complex than that

>>160229850
That's not the Vegito timeline backstory

That being said, Multiverse was genuinely good up until people started quitting because of the power gap. Story took a weird turn after that

>>160229694
>Salty Gohanfag
kek

>>160227969
he looks like a pineapple

>>160230765
Damon? Or maybe Damon is the other bug looking dude from the opening

>>160230616
I don't even disagree that Gohan was handled reasonably well in the Buu saga. But i do think it was a big mistake to give Goku the main character status once again. It was a bad, lazy move that started the franchise's decline. At least for a while.

>>160228510
if freeza and goku merged the entire universe would be erased

>>160230789
It's boring that Goku was brought back but I prefer this than Gohan being the main character.

>>160225310
Will Gowasu say one last "Zamasu!" when he will be erased?

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>This is Kachi Kachin, it is harder than specifically Universe 7's Kachin why we were using Universe 7 as an example as opposed to any of the other Universes? Fuck You.
>Kachi Kachin literally breaks like generic rock despite the fact ningen bodies should just splat into it without as much as making a fucking dent
>Even fucking Krillin's body makes dents in this so called densest material in the multiverse
>A few minutes in and the material makes fucking mountains in the arena instead of being completely unscathed apart from the most godlike entities

Defend this

>>160230772
They literally tried to replace Goku with Gohan and fans were furious, they can't do shit

>>160230281
He already did that in the filler pre tournament

>>160225740
>implying episode 66 didn't ruin DBS

>>160230772
Goku was way more interesting as a kid. They had to make him a alien to keep him interesting as a adult, and even then his story was pretty much over after he beat Freeza.

>>160229619
she needs her own spinoff series with higher budget and visible abs

>>160230845
If they just kept it after a bit the situation would stabilize

>>160230757
It showed Zeno greying out everybody but him

>>160230845
Fans are stupid and should largely be ignored by anyone trying to create something.

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>>160230838
>it has gotten to the point where the stage is breaking due to mere FOOTSTEPS
Grand Priest a shit

>>160225522
fake. using gohan/buu animations from buu saga.

>>160230815
I suppose i can understand it. Honestly, if they weren't going to commit to Gohan as the main character. They should have just made it an ensemble story with a rotating protagonist.

>>160230878
Agreed, Gohan would've been great MC, especially after they kept making him look like he had a lot of potential

>>160230845
See
>>160229571

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>>160230219
>Cucktail

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>>160225348
Mods are just mad because Son Goku is cuter than them

>each galaxy has a billion stars with millions of habitable planets
>each universe has billions of galaxys
>one of the strongest fighters from one of the universes is a green flying bird
I hate some of the designs of super. I mean jiren hit etc are cool but what the fuck is he thinking with most of the others.

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>>160230764
Old Kaioshin clothes are wrong

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Heeeeeey guuuuuuuuuuuuuys what did you think about the latest episode of Kaaaaameeeeeen Riiiiiiiideeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer? WANTANDAN

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Okay faggots which one is it (no moving the goalpost).

Who should becomes the protagonist after Goku, lets ignore Super (and GT) for now.

Uub or Gohan?

>>160230838
I can't. I don't think anybody can. The real question is, does it matter?

I would say not really. But it is kind of lazy writing. So you could argue it's a symptom of a larger issue.

>>160230980
Kamen Rider Majora

>>160230980
Yamcha

>>160230980
Pilaf

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>Be Gohanfag
>Only like Kid Gohan and Highschool Gohan
I don't even fit into the cucksquad

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Are there fan art about her?

>>160230980
Goten. No, seriously. He's enough of a blank slate that they can basically do whatever they want with him.

>>160230980
Farmer with shotgun

>>160230838
>They specifically said U7 Mines are where regular Kachin comes from, other universes don't have this by obvious deductive reasoning

>Body's can survive planet busting beams, but should fall apart against "super duper hard material"

>Most of the fighters are God level and can keep up with "I fought the God of Destruction and Lived" Goku

Stop bitching

>>160230838
>>160230913
>>160230988
Cheap GoD carpeting

>>160230838
Grand Priest fooled us all, this kachi-stuff was made in China. Proof that he's evil.

>>160231030
>Pilaf tries to take over the universe every week.
>Basically Pinky and the brain but with Dragon Ball characters.

I would watch it.

>>160230965
>each galaxy has a billion stars with millions of habitable planets
>each universe has billions of galaxys
>nine of your ten fighters reside on the same planet

>>160231103
To be fair, aren't there only like 30 planets left in Universe 7?

>>160230965
Not everyone's strategy was Hulk their way through the battle

Just don't get knocked off and fall
Anyone with wings who is even semi strong would be a better contender than all the earthlings in U7

>>160230980
Uubhan.

I miss these threads when the only shitposting was towards Gohanfags

>>160230970
I kinda prefer Kibito and Shin's skin colors in this, it makes them look more like "fruit people" than random aliens

>>160231103
The show already referenced this issue many times,
You're not witty

>>160231079
Damn now I want this too

>>160231129
Buu and Freiza put in work.

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>>160230980
Goten

>>160230845
>>160230911
>fans
Dumb fucks. It was Torigod the one who decided to bring Goku back because he felt Gohan didnt fit the role of being the mc.