>translator makes a 12 year old girl use an adult scientific

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>>160213952
>scientific term
She didn't say penis engine, though?

It pisses me off way more that they used 'hollow' for nare no hate while the manga translation had specifically avoided it.

'Cave raiders' is also questionable.

>>160214227
>hey used 'hollow' for nare no hate while the manga translation had specifically avoided it.
why? because "dark souls reference XD"?

>>160213952
So this show is the perfect storm of lolicons, furfags, gorefags, and autists?

>>160213952
>scientific term like "penis"
>not cockmein

>>160214314
Pretty much, the fact that you become a narehate/go hollow by losing your humanity draws too much of a parallel.
The problem is that it's a false one, the concept of hollowing in Dark Souls is completely different conceptually to what's seen in MiA.

>>160214596
Who the fuck even pays so much attention to vidya terms to draw a parallel? Go back to /v/.

>>160214596
>this completely unrelated game used this term differently so we can't use it on this completely unrelated manga

Why is this manga so obsessed with Reg's shota dick and belly button? He's been stabbed in the navel 3 times now

>>160213952
The "adult, scientific" term for penis is "phallus," you damned ignoramus.

"Penis" works fine here, although I admit that "wiener" would have been funnier.

>>160213952
IS SHE GOING TO DIE IN THE UNTRANSLATED MANGA CHAPTERS?

>>160215367
Yes, she dies and the next volume is filled of pages and pages of panels depicting wind whistling over her corpse.

>>160215189
It doesn't stop happening

>>160215189
Probably because his skin armor is too tough and the belly button is a weak spot or something like that.

i am no shotacon but Reg just click the right button on me

>>160214314
you mean bleach

>>160215189
Because this is actually a fetish manga. The detailed art, intriguing setting and storytelling are only a silly distraction.

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>>160213952
>adult scientific term
>penis

You're fishing for reaction images, aren't you?

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>>160213952
If you're so good at Japanese why are you watching subs?

>>160217818
but it is. penis is an anatomical term later adapted into casual usage.

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>>160213952
I agree with your point entirely, however, I must ridicule you for calling "penis" a scientific term.

No hard feelings, you fucking freak.

>>160213952
Weiner probably would've been better but penis is fine.
She's also a kid trying to be an adult, is the sense I get, although I haven't read the manga or seen the show.
We already have enough autism about dubs, we don't need even more autism about subtitles.

>>160213952
You're complaining about this, and not "rat guard"?

>>160213952
Reasonable, guess she found some anatomy atlas and crossreferenced.

>>160217973
>rat guard
what did they mean by this anyway

>>160217912
It is the correcto anatomical name for the male sex organ in english. Do you think it's slang or something?

>>160218104
>Riko: "I guess I'm not truly alive after all..."
What did she mean by this?

Seriously. In-context that like makes no sense.

>>160213952
My main problem is that girls don't use vulgar words, so the more "medical" sounding form is fine. However, you bring up a good topic. What is the more basic English word for the male sex organ?

>"Wiener" - 1904, shortening of wienerwurst (1889), from German Wiener "of Vienna"
>"Penis" - 1670s, perhaps from French pénis or directly from Latin penis "penis,"
It's hard to say that wiener is more basic, since it developed only recently, and the sex connotation comes from analogy. Penis has a long, proud history of being used in the English language. But what did they use before that?

>>160215321
>"Phallus" - 1605-15; < Latin < Greek phallós penis
Just another Greek borrowing, mostly intended for academic word formation. Thus, the connotation is more literary than medical.

>>160217895
What would be the more basic word, in your opinion or as a result of your research?

>>160218201
She's a literal zombie.

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>>160213952
>it's an EOP complains about subs from a language he doesn't understand episode

>>160213952
If you want to localize "chin-chin" you're better off using something like "ding-dong".

>>160218297
I'm asking in-context, genius. Can you read?

>>160218373
She's a zombie in any context.

>>160218358
How about "peepee"?

Penis is a word little kids know. Are you an American prude or something?

>>160218186

That's like saying leg is a scientific term.

>>160213952
Nope

>>160213952
>penis
>scientific term
How uneducated do you have to be to believe this?

>>160218358
>>160218400
Childish terms for penis that would also work are willie and weenie.

Point is, "penis" is not an accurate translation for "chin-chin". In fact it's one of the worst choices I can think after "cock" and "schlong".

>>160215189
Because he's a shotacon. Also has a piss/scat fetish for that matter

>>160218657
Have you ever listened to how 10 year old girls talk?

>>160214468
can you please not marginalize shotacons like that?

>>160218657
>>160218723
Where can I hear 10-12 years old girls talking about dicks?

>>160218923
If you're posting on 4chan you're probably too old

>>160218723
If that was the intention then the author would have wrote her using a different term. However, he made her use a childish word instead of one used by adults. It was an objectively incorrect translation.

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>>160218923
i gotchu anon

>>160219036
Hear, not read.

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>>160213952
Did somebody say... Chin chin?

>>160219129
you still can fap to it

>>160213952
penis has a scientific origin but also many uses by silly children i.e. EWWWWWWWW PEEEENIS

wiener or peepee might've been more appropriate from a perspective seeking a sillier term, but there's no black and white. this is translation

>>160218358
Dingaling would be preferable.

>>160219160
Already doing it, but that's not what I asked for.

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>>160218923
You can't. That was my point. Little girls (English speakers) don't have a huge vocabulary of synonyms, of varying levels of vulgarity, like boys do at that age. That's why I think "penis" is a perfectly acceptable translation.

The real issue here is English speakers who know just enough Japanese to get themselves in trouble. For example:>>160218993
>If that was the intention then the author would have wrote her using a different term. However, he made her use a childish word instead of one used by adults. It was an objectively incorrect translation.
Wrong. Fuck off with your "objectively" bullshit.

The author wrote her dialogue in Japanese, not English. The two languages developed separately for, what, at least 100,000 years? You've got to be fucking delusional if you think they are going to have a one-to-one matchup in fucking anything.

The important difference here is that Japanese term has a spectrum of politeness, whereas the English term has a spectrum of vulgarity. "o-chin-chin" or just "chin-chin" is a fairly polite way to refer to a dick without fully naming the organ. "Wiener" is a dirty word that kids use to remind people eating a common food item of their dicks during dinnertime. The two are not comparable in the least.

>>160218358
PIN PON

>>160219197
To fucking whom?????

>>160217786
Yeah. I like the concept and the story so far but there are points where you can obviously tell that the writer's just jacking off to his fetishes.

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>>160219239
>eating a common food item of their dicks during dinnertime
what did he mean by this?

>>160219279
Me and Chuck Berry
https://youtu.be/UaEC-lWSlmI

>>160219239
Vulgar would be dick or cock. Wiener would be the childish way of refering ro penis, the more tecnichal term. The tl really made a mistake.

>>160219412
>>160219510
Wiener is vulgar because it comes from analogy from a food item and because people don't actually like it when kids pull their penises out at dinnertime. Little girls don't usually use language like that.

Just admit that you have no younger sisters, no younger cousins, no nieces, you never had female friends in grade school, you never had a girlfriend until at least high school, if ever, and you have no experience at all with listening to how little girls talk. Just fuck off from /a/. You actively bring the board's average IQ down.

>>160219699
Why are you getting so worked up over this? Why are you desperately trying to make it sound like you're the only one with a family and yours is the only way people ever talk?

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>>160220027
>Why are you getting so worked up over this? Why are you desperately trying to make it sound like
I wasn't the one who got so worked up to start his own thread. Stop projecting.

I'm only interested in the truth.

>>160220070
>Only interested in truth

>Insults someone and assumes they've never dated anyone based on practically nothing

Now that's projecting.

>>160220070
You most certainly are getting worked up. "Stop projecting"? That's just desperation.

>>160220148
>>160220162
Your emotion is not helping your case.

>>160218104
Googling rat-guard instantly provides an answer.
Hint: they go on mooring lines.

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>>160213952
>Scientific word like penis
The only thing that pisses me off is your autism.

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>>160219239
>The author wrote her dialogue in Japanese, not English. The two languages developed separately for, what, at least 100,000 years?

Lol, where did you get your linguistics degree? Trinity Southern University?

>>160221788
Would you like to dispute either claim? If so, please go ahead and do so.

>>160213952
People really are just looking for absolutely anything to complain about these days huh?

>>160221788
If you can't dispute my claims, then go fuck yourself.

>>160222044
>Would you like to argue with an idiot?
But of course, who wouldn't?

>>160222525
I'm not your special needs teacher, you gigantic faggot. Go and share funny Trump memes or play video games.

I'm not autistic, so no

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>>160222739
Not an argument. In other words, you don't actually care about what I said. You just take exception with the fact that the topic is linguistics.

Why don't you show me on the doll where the linguist touched you.

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>>160223253
REKT

>hurr durr, penis is not a scientific term!
...are you guys serious?

>>160224499
It is both the medical term and the least vulgar everyday term.

>>160224499
Welcome to /a/. Where the Japanese language is a genetic trait and 100000 years old.

>>160224720
You're still mad that you got rekt, aren't you?

>>160224499
OP pls

>>160224720
Point on the doll where the linguist touched you, let's get this all out.

>>160214933
You guys are seriously letting this slide? This guy is acting like we shouldn't know what Dark Souls is.
Actually whatever, this is the worst thread I've seen in awhile.

>>160219699
Then wiener is a poor choice of word but something like willie would work fine in this context. Hell, my sister and I thought that willie was the correct, formal word for a penis for ages and it's what our parents told us to call it.

The point is though that he's correct in saying that 'penis' is a poor choice of translation for chin-chin and we're fortunate in English to have many euphemisms to choose from, even if many of them aren't appropriate.

>>160224975
I've never even heard someone use "willie" in my life.

I prefer the adult term 'pingas'.

>>160225016
And I've literally never heard anyone refer to a penis as a 'wiener' in real life. Willie is more of a Brit term then. I suspected as much which is why I said "something like". There must be an equivalent non-vulgar euphemism for penis in common American English usage.

>>160225094
Little boys (under 7 or 8) say shit like wee-wee, or pee-pee, but that's because they have this thing in between their legs, they need a word for it and that's what their parents call it. The whole point of this thread is whether a 9-12 year old girl (How old is Riko anyway?) would have been exposed to such words. It's not an argument about how to translate chin-chin, since we've established that there is no 1-to-1 correspondence with English. It's purely a question of how a precocious little girl, living in a coed orphanage that routinely sends minors to their deaths for money, would talk.

>>160218923
Whip it out

>>160225174
I'd presume there's some degree of exposition. If only through the stories of delvers getting their dicks bitten off. There's also naked hanging.

>>160225174
the author's intention is completely irrelevant, then? we are just doing full-on re-writes based on what we personally think a typical 12-year old American girl would say in that scenario, instead of Riko?

>>160225342
How do you know which English word the author intended to use in translation?

>>160224953
Not him, but I don't play videogames and I know about dark souls only because I read about it on 4chan. I had no idea there is a "go hollow by losing your humanity" thing.

>>160225342
>a typical 12-year old American girl
You are just such a fucking dirtbag, by the way. Did I say that? No, I said,
>a precocious little girl, living in a coed orphanage that routinely sends minors to their deaths for money

>>160224720
>language is a genetic trait and 100000 years old.
You're also a dirtbag, if you're not the same piece of shit. Did I say that? No, I said,
>The two languages developed separately for, what, at least 100,000 years? You've got to be fucking delusional if you think they are going to have a one-to-one matchup in fucking anything.
There is nothing here about genetics, just the suggestion that as populations of humans have diverged (fact), it's natural to think that their languages have probably also diverged. It's speculation, but based it's upon reason and evidence that we've been able to observe directly in recent history, for example with Latin transforming to Spanish, French, Italian and the other Romance languages as the Roman colonists were separated from each other geographically.

Now stop strawmanning my arguments.

Damn this show is comfy, its so comfy that it reminds of Aria. Goddamn

>>160225358
>How do you know which English word the author intended to use in translation?
by the choice of words used in Japanese. duh?

>>160225839
How is that? Show your work.

>>160213952

I don't care enough about penises to get emotional over such a thing.

>>160215367
She's been dead from the beginning

>>160218211
>My main problem is that girls don't use vulgar words,
Are you stupid?

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This is the most retarded thread on /a/ right now.

>>160226585
Do you know how to form a valid argument?

If she said chin chin, and it apparently doesn't mean penis, is chin chin used by adults talking to children if so use something like willy, or is it used by children only, in which case use something like peepee. Is it a word used by adults towards other adults if so use dick.

Context is hugely important and you need to be good at both english and japanese to find a accurate word, it doesn't matter how old she is, just translate it according to what was said.

>>160226656
According to Aarinfantasy's TL notes on Pico to Chico (which I assume the OP is very familiar with and was specifically referring to when he made this thread), "ochinchin" is what little boys call their penis.

According to natural English, words like "willie" and "wiener" sound strange coming out of a young girl's mouth.

>>160226797

in my japanese videogames they always describe it as my ochinchin but there's no way "willie" is a good translation. "Penis" is incredibly broad and covers just about any translation, with context being picked up based on scenario, other words in the sentence, the way the voice actor says it, etc.

I think penis is going to be an acceptable translation in near 100% of cases, and probably the best translation in >90% of cases

>>160226943
And since the whole point of translation is to communicate as much meaning as possible without the language getting in the way, "penis" is the best choice for this scene as well.

People who get upset about "localization," while consuming their anime through ENGLISH TRANSLATION are truly the scum of the Earth. They require the language to be localized to the standard of their nation and somehow don't notice that every single word of dialogue and every single word of narration are being localized, but they criticize localization wherever they notice that some concept previously explained in Naruto isn't retained syllable-for-syllable.

>>160226943
Who the fuck actually uses the word penis in normal conversation other than doctors? Dick is what is used 90% of the time when talking to other people. Penis is an awful translation as it is almost never used in spoken english.

>>160227106
Young girls do.

/a/-dicks

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>>160227124
Correction. INNOCENT young girls would say "penis." Sluts would use other words.

Remember the reason why this translation was so spot-on, because she was acting slutty and the translator used a word that sluts would use. Guess what, the Japanese word was the exact same, "ochinchin," but I bet the OP didn't flip out when it was translated to "dick," huh.

>>160213952
I was surprised by this scene. I thought this was supposed to be for kids. Or is it normal for kid cartoons to talk about dicks in Japan?

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>>160227304
>is made in abyss a normal kids cartoon
Gonna have to stop you there.

>wahhh penis is too much of a SCIENTIFIC term for a loli to use
>one of the most defining characteristics of said loli is that she is a huge fucking nerd
OP is a dumdum

>>160227078
>People who get upset about "localization," while consuming their anime through ENGLISH TRANSLATION are truly the scum of the Earth. They require the language to be localized to the standard of their nation
See, that's the thing: English is spoken in a lot of different places, and each of them uses the language slightly differently. If you localise something too much, one portion of the audience will get the full nuance intended, but other portions of the audience might understand but not get the intended nuance, or might understand but think it's a stupid way to phrase it, or might not actually understand.

It wouldn't be a problem if each English-speaking place got its own properly localised translation, but that never happens; what we get is about 95% American English and cultural terms, which drives us up the wall just about anywhere else. Call me a weeaboo or whatever if you like, but there are times when the original Japanese makes more sense to me than what was localised to somewhere I'm not a local.

>>160227516
You are literal scum of the Earth. Stop pretending that you aren't.

>>160227536
Bite my hairy un-American arse.

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>>160227304
Is this bait?

>>160224953
good, fuck off to /v/ now

>>160227304
It's marked as seinen anon.

>>160227304
Yes, rewatch Crayon Shin-chan

>>160223253
You are pretty retarded but I'm in a good mood.
>The earliest firm evidence of human habitation is of early Upper Paleolithic hunter-gatherers from 40,000 years ago, when Japan was separated from the continent.

>>160224895
see >>160227868

>>160227868
OK.... And you think that proves what, exactly?

I'm suggesting that because of the extremely long time since divergence of the many human groups on Earth, particularly those that DESCENDED to the English and the Japanese, that their languages have had a lot of time to change dramatically, resulting in many words between the two languages that lack a one-to-one correspondence, which is true. All I'm doing is suggesting an explanation for something we can observe in reality.

By nitpicking the exact date of divergence (which you're not really thinking about because >>160219239 suggests that it was 100,000 years since Asians and Europeans SPLIT OFF from being the same group, not since Japan or England were first populated)... by nitpicking this single detail, you are doing nothing to undermine my argument because 40,000 years is also an incredibly long amount of time for a language to change.

I still can't figure out what you're trying to prove. Can you be a little more cooperative and just show me on the doll where the linguist touched you?

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>>160227952
>OK.... And you think that proves what, exactly?
Only that Japanese can't be 100,000 years old.
Didn't read the rest as I'm not the guy you are arguing with and pic related.

>>160227980
Well, you're an idiot because that claim was never made.

>>160227952
>because >>160219239# suggests that it was 100,000 years since Asians and Europeans SPLIT OFF from being the same group
But many scholars argue it's a language isolate and there are no widely accepted ties to other Asian languages. How can you come to that arbitrary number.

>>160228122
>and there are no widely accepted ties to other Asian languages
Or to be more exact it's a small isolated family without ties to other Asian languages.

>>160228122
No language, aside from a planned language like Esperanto or Elvish, just springs forth, fully formed, out of the blue. Japanese descended from another language which descended from another language which descended from another and so forth. The fact that its closest relatives are all extinct and there are no records of them is what makes it an isolate. Use your head.

You're also not actually arguing anything relevant to what I said. Again, you're just nitpicking and wasting my time.

>>160228185
Yes, and the split could have happened anywhere from when first language appeared to 40,000 years ago.

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>mfw in the Genital Examination workshop when the clinical tutor talks about patients not being able to describe their genitals and using words like pee pee
That was awkward as a fuck. Being more accurate is a good thing.

>>160228210
And before that, where did the people come from? You're still not using your head. Did the people who became the original inhabitants of Japan just make a beeline straight across the Eurasian continent from Europe only 40,000 years ago, or were they already living in the general vicinity, among the group of people who had diverged from those who became Europeans some 100,000 years ago.

>>160228214
At my high school, they just called it Penis Examination Day, thus proving that "penis" isn't really a dirty word.

>>160228248
You know how fucked up the migration routes look?
They could very well have split off only 60,000 years ago.

@160228272
And that's significant how? It's not, is it. Because you're still just nitpicking. You know what, if you're going to keep doing this, I'm going to stop giving you (You)'s.

>>160228265
Exactly. The fact that people seems to be obsessed with concealing accurate words like 'penis' is bizarre.

>>160228214
We didn't have that when I was in school. When did you graduate? Was this highschool or elementary?

Could you two stop arguing over how many tens of thousands of years the two groups and therefore the evolution of their languages have been apart? Either way it's definitely been enough that there's some differences between their words for the male genitalia and how they're used.

>>160213952
OP is a chin-chin.

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>>160228214
>Genital Examination workshop
>>160228265
>Penis Examination Day

I really hate idiots who think "ochinchin" should be translated as "weiner" or "peepee" or some dumb shit like that. Penis is absolutely the accurate translation for ochinchin. It is the default way to refer to the sex organ and it is considered somewhat lewd but not overly so just like penis is. Ochinchin is penis/dick, chinpo is cock. That's how it should always be translated. If dumb fucks like you had your way then almost every single Hentai manga would be the characters saying "weiner" instead of penis as if they're 5 year olds.

>>160225174
She is constantly surrounded by little boys, I'm pretty sure she'd be exposed to their vocabulary. There's no way she wouldn't have heard of any of the boys talking about dicks.

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>>160228308
>nitpicking
pic
Anyway don't make baseless claims if you can't prove them.

>>160228439
>pic
Not an argument.

>Anyway don't make baseless claims if you can't prove them.
Try - just try - to summarize what you think my claim is. I am 100% sure that you will fuck this up.

>>160228392
It's just some awkward medshit learning when we do a digital rectal exam, use a speculum, learn how to do a pap smear and how to take a sex history.

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>>160228470
>>pic
>Not an argument.

>comes to a site for autists
>surprised that people are nitpicking
I'm 90% sure you just didn't know what the pic means, because it succinctly summarises you retardation.

>Try - just try - to summarize what you think my claim is. I am 100% sure that you will fuck this up
see >>160219239
>The two languages developed separately for, what, at least 100,000 years?

>>160228248
Jesus, don't you know anything? Read a book or two about prehistory before embarrass yourself further. You sound like a fifth-grader who never did his homework and tries to get through the exam by making up random stuff from a map on the wall.

There is no Japanese word for "weiner" or "peepee." We developed words like those because we have a culture of looking down on lewd things, particularly with children. Those words were developed so that children would have a way to refer to their sex organs without having to say a lewd word. There is no equivalence in Japanese. Any translation that has a character say "peepee" in a Japanese work is wrong. If you think "ochinchin" is equivalent to peepee then I have to ask you, do you think 30 year old women are commonly referring to a penis as a "peepee"? People who translate ochinchin as peepee/weiner/weewee or whatever the fuck are trying too hard to force a western mindset on a Japanese work. Ochinchin should always be translated as penis or dick because that's the closest equivalents in English.

>>160219239
>Little girls don't have a huge vocabulary of synonyms, of varying levels of vulgarity, like boys do at that age
Your naivety is adorable

>>160228612
Listen to this guy. In Australia we just said penis, none of this "peepee" or "wiener" business.

>>160228557
You fucked it up.

>>160228570
>don't you know anything? Read a book or two
Great arguments.

>>160228678
Stop projecting.

What the fuck is even the point of this thread

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>>160228734
>You fucked it up.
I directly quoted you. You made a stupid baseless claim and no amount of damage control will change it.

>>160228760
Arguing about dicks, obviously.

>It's an '/a/ spergs out over translation minutia' Episode

Come on guys, this went from a bait threat about a Loli not getting the OP hard enough because she didn't lewd to a retarded discussion where i as a bystander am not even sure if it's not actually two straw men 'trolling' each other....

>>160228272
Japan was part of the mainland for 20000 years, until 15000 years ago. It's highly unlikely that any earlier migration wave survived there and it is ancient-astronauts levels of absurd that the first migration survived there untouched and in complete cultural isolation from the rest of the world. The current inhabitants immigrated to Japan only 2500 years ago, from Korea, exterminated large parts of the aboriginals in the process. The immigrants' brethren on the mainland have been exterminated by following migration waves of other iron age tribes, there's nothing left of them to work with, only the branch on the Islands remained.

Through the steppes, a man on horseback can cross the entire Eurasian continent several times in a single lifetime. A displaced tribe could move thousands of kilometers before it secured a new homeland. Happened all the time, in all directions, for all sorts of reasons. And yet cretin anon insists on his idiocy that such things never happened in 100000 years, that everyone went straight from Africa to his designated homeland and patiently staid there until present day, with culture and language in the blood and immune against any western influence.

The Japanese people have strong common genetic ancestry (over 10%) with Altaic steppe peoples. For all we know, they could have had common language ancestry with Finnish tribals only 8000-10000 years ago. There's not enough secured knowledge to say anything for sure.

>>160227323
What the shota aroused by this?>>160227591
Nope, never read the source just picked this up because it looked like a comfy adventure
>>160227609
Didn't know

>>160229772
how do I say this... he got a boner

>>160230149
He gets boner by anything that is remotely fluffy.

Even fucking Lord of Dawn would have given him boner.
Just apply blindfold to shota and gently caress fluffyness on robot's face.

Disregard Papa's Rod.

>>160215189
Because that's the spot where his otherwise unbreakable skin is the thinnest. But yea i believe the author has a navel fetish or something like that

>>160229324
>The Japanese people have strong common genetic ancestry (over 10%) with Altaic steppe peoples.
It's nowhere near widely accepted. Some are guessing that it may be true, but there are many other popular theories.
We just don't know. Accept it.

>>160229324
Sorry didn't read the whole post it seems you were agreeing with me.