So now that all three ended, which one was the best? Bleach,

One Piece

>>160148086
/thread

>>160148051

Naruto>Bleach>Fairy Tail.

>>160148086

But this is right too.

>>160148051
Bleach and Naruto.

FT has been shit since the very beginning so it doesn't even deserve a spot.

>>160148051
Who the fuck cares?

>>160148051
Hard question, they are all trash but Bleach had the coolest designs and the best villain so I vote for Bleach.

Detective Conan

>>160148051
wow, Fairy shit finally ended?
what happened at the end?

>>160148051
Bleach>Naruto>FT

>>160148674
Nobody died and everyone was happy ever after

>>160148674
The power of friendship happened.

>>160148051
Naruto. It kinda rushed story wise (all of them suffered the same thing) but there are plenty of memorable fights in Naruto

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FT had the best art and girls

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>>160148974
nah

>>160148974
>FT had the best art
I think you should consider suicide

>>160148051
>overall
Naruto>Bleach>Fairy Tail

>Ending
Naruto>>>Bleach=Fairy Tail

>>160148051
Naruto

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>>160149203
Bleach's ending was due to editors rushing the manga's conclusion despite it clearly coming out naturally. Plus Bleach's ending didn't lead to sequel series or some kind of "everybody got together and fucked" kind of thing. Plus people how died stayed dead:

>Yamamoto
>Unohana
>Ukitake
>Nemu

Fairy Tail wasn't rushed, it ends with them saying "Let's go on this 100 Year Sidequest we dangled YEARS ago!" and it basically has several characters GREATLY implied to have sex.

So no, Bleach's ending was WAY better than Fairy Tail's.

>>160148051
Bleach >>>> Naruto >>>>>>>>> Fairy Tail

I was so sick of the latter two that I jumped ship from Naruto to Bleach.

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>>160148974
>FT had the best art and girls

Bleach did in both accounts moron.

>>160149466
fuck off with your fujo trash

>>160149466
I wanna fuck Ryuken.

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>>160149503
Don't give me your crap. Bleach did a better job drawing and had better written and looking girls.

>never got to see Ryuuken fight

I hate you kubo

>>160149556
Ryuuken was never a fighter though. He only begrudgingly became a Quincy and thought it was a waste of time. That's why he stayed out of the Fake Karakura Town War, the Arrancars business, Fullbring and the grand majority of the 1000 Year Blood War.

>>160148051
I'd say Bleach because it was the only one I felt genuinely disappointed by.

The other two got no emotion out of me.

>>160149598
He deemed Uryuu a failure and himself the true successor to the quincies. Apparently he was so ridiculous that Ywhach wasnt even able to absorb him.

>>160149697
True, but that doesn't mean he cared about the business of the Soul Reapers or the past Quincies before hand.

Remember when Uryu's grandfather told him that one day Uryu would understand why Ryuuken don't much care about the Quincy line?

Or when Ryuuken told Uryu that he had to promise him to stay out of Soul Reaper business if he wished to get back his powers?

>>160148051
Bleach. It had its drawbacks in its awful pacing, too much meddling from Jump's editors, and a few unresolved plot points, but it kept me satisfied throughout its run.

Naruto jumped the shark years ago and Fairy Tail was always just fucking dumb.

>>160148974
All FT girls look exactly the same.

>>160148051
Bleach automatically loses on account of how it ended. Both Bleach and Naruto are actually pretty similar in that the second half was way worse than the first and the last arc was basically a tailspin but Bleach was worse in pretty much every way. Naruto ended with its head held high and as a result has transitioned very smoothly into its sequel, meanwhile Bleach crashed and burned.

I'd say Naruto > Fairy Tail > Bleach. Fairy Tail has the distinction of never being that good to begin with. Even Naruto and Bleach were pretty good near the start. So because Fairy Tail was never very good, even when shit really hit the stupid fan later on it wasn't like there was some massive drop in quality. It started bad and ended bad, and that's just fine.

>>160148051
The one that didn't have a cancelled anime.

>>160150196
>Fairy Tail
>Better than Bleach.

HAH, that's a good laugh. Nobody in their right mind would EVER say that given how more people cared about the plot and characters of Bleach than with Fairy Tail. Plus the art is better than both Fairy Tail and Naruto.

Did any FT ships get BTFO as hard as Narusaku and Ichirukifags? I don't really pay attention to that stuff.

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>>160148051
Naruto mainly for all the shit Kishi pulled right after it ended.

>>160150314
No since every ship was either made canon or highly implied.

>>160150360
But that shouldn't count given how that was sequel bait. We are talking about the ORIGINAL manga. The 72 manga volumes and any light novels that came out.

That's the Gaiden in which was basically emphasizing the Boruto bullshit with the Otosuki Clan

>>160150380
No, he's talking about them having kids and marrying. So yes, FT got BTFO'd.

>>160150445
True. A lot of Natsu x Lucy shippers were expecting a kiss and wedding.

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>>160148051
Objectively correct opinion coming through

Bleach (ignoring ending)>Naruto>Fairy Tail

Naruto>Bleach (including ending)>Fairy Tail

>>160150288
It's because Bleach was so good and interesting near the start that the way it ended puts it in last place for me. It had great art and a unique feel in terms of characters and narrative and that was just totally lost by the end.

Not to mention the entire last arc is really just some of the worst writing I've ever seen. It's like Kubo looked at Naruto and decided he wanted to see how much of a mess he could make his last arc, too. Even disregarding the botched ending the entire story just shit the bed. So much pointless shit, it's like he didn't even have a plan. Every major arc in Bleach just feels like a bad reproduction of the Soul Society arc.

>Soul Society
>Ichigo and friends go to rescue someone from a strange supernatural world with a hierarchical power structure

>Hueco Mundo
>Ichigo and friends go to rescue someone from a strange supernatural world with a hierarchical power structure

>Quincy Blood War
>Ichigo and friends go to rescue people from a strange supernatural world with a hierarchical power structure

The Fullbringer arc was just stupid shit and shouldn't have even happened. Remember how Tsukishima got shoehorned in right at the end to fix Ichigo's Bankai? Why even bother breaking it at that point?

The entire thing is just a mess.

>>160150710
I enjoyed the first invasion and other parts.

>>160149396
>Bleachfags still pushing this shitty headcanon

When the fuck was fairy tale ever considered to be in the big three

>>160149609
That's incredibly sad, for you

>>160150710
You forget a bunch of things:

1. volumes 21-32 are an entire arc, your statement with the Hueco Mundo part only applies to 27-30. It's a B plot and acceptable. Volume 31 has a little of it, but Grimmjow userps the plot back to the A plot again,

2. 33-48 is the Fake Karakura Town War arc which has NOTHING to do with the what you said about Hueco Mundo. It's a war between the Soul Reapers and Vizards vs Aizen, the traitors and the Arrnacars. Ichigo in turn has to defeat Ulquiorra and Aizen in order to stop the sacrifice of his town (Karakura Town) for the creation of the Oken.

3. 1000 Year Blood War is NOTHING like you just said. It's a HUGE war between the most hated enemies of the Soul Reapers AKA the Quincy.

Hell, Uryu isn't even captured, he went there willingly to try and kill Juha Bach for revenge against his mother's death.

Hell, Ichigo isn't the major player here, he's stuck in the middle while finding out about his heritage.

So no, you just basically came up with very little to not even the plot line to several arcs and cut out an entire 16 volume arc (Fake Karakura Town War)

Naruto> fairy tail > bleach

BUT ft had the best girls

bleach was so shit it had to be shot down, how can ppl defend that crap?

>>160149396

WASN'T THE 100 YEAR quest to defeat anco?

>>160148051
Negima

>>160151053
No, it was something else. It was never explained though.

>Similar to the 10 Year Jobs, these jobs are named as such due to the fact that the missions have been available for over 100 years but have yet to be completed by any Mage. Gildarts Clive is currently the only known Mage to undergo a 100 Year Job, but even he was unable to complete such mission. He is also the first one to return alive from one of those Jobs. which would infer the immense level of danger involved with these Jobs.

I wouldn't be surprised if that turns into sequel bait given how big that was and it got dropped harder than a bowling ball.

>>160150997
Because it wasn't shit. That was Fairy Tail dude.

>dedicate huge chunk of last arc to showing Ichigo remake his zanpaktou
>he gets in two fights, one in which he uses one attack and the other in which he's instantly defeated

>bring back Grimmjow after years of his fate being undetermined
>he does nothing and his fate is once again undetermined

>dedicate way too many chapters showing Byakuya, Hitsugaya, and Kenpachi fighting the giant viking/valkyrie dude, all of them revealing new abilities in the process
>none of them succeed in defeating him
>the battle has zero consequences anyway

The last point is the most important because it's the same for 90% of all the fights in the last arc. So many people reveal new abilities against foes who just don't fucking matter. I think it's mostly because there are just so many Sternritter but none of them really matter compared to Yhwach. It wasn't like fighting the Captains in Soul Society or the Espada in Hueco Mundo, it's just a bunch of time-wasting fights to drag the story on. Rukia and Renji get fancy new abilities and it doesn't even fucking matter. It makes me think back to when Rukia finally revealed her abilities against Grimmjow and how cool of a moment it was. How is it that her getting a Bankai couldn't even hold a candle to that moment?

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>>160148051
Naruto managed to stick the landing despite a terrible final arc and actually had people getting emotional about its conclusion (even got several stickies here) that reminded us on why people liked the series in the first place.

People long since gave up on Bleach before it even ended and the final stretch was just one big slap in the face to the idiots that kept reading despite the fact that Kubo clearly didn't give a shit and just wanted to be done with it.

Why is FT even in the running? It was never fucking good at any point and was complete fucking garbage longer than Naruto and Bleach.

The thing that separated Naruto from Bleach and FT was that there was a set goal in the end so seeing the MC accomplish his dream was worth trudging through all the bullshit while with Bleach and FT there is no set end goal since both MC have nothing to them worth getting invested with (hell Ichigo barely appears in the final arc) so by the end of the day they both feel like giant wastes of time.

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>>160151118
Negima was fucking trash. 150 chapters of high school haremtrash. Then they go to the magic world arc and it was good until the end where they retarded author didn't end the manga when negi saw asuna's grave and just made it worse because he had personal beef.

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>>160149396
>nemu
>dead

>>160151286
>negi saw asuna's

Shit mean other way round

Ft shouldn't be in the same grouping as nardo and bleach, as shit as all of them became in the end. It'll be a while before a series reaches Big 3 level clout.

>>160151315
Nemuri isn't Nemu. Do you not know the backstory about how there were 5 other version of Nemu BEFORE Nemu came into the picture? Each one was different.

Nemuri is a different personality, different age, different physical appearance, etc.

Nemu is dead. Nemuri is just her spiritual sucessor. Just like how Nemu was the spiritual sucessor to the previous 5.

>>160148051
1/10 - 1/10 - 1/10. Why bother about the worst?

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>>160151286
Try this panel.

>>160150997
It wasn't cancelled. Enough with this stupid rumor.

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>>160148051
fairy tail

>>160150710
>The Fullbringer arc was just stupid
No it was not. It was even pretty damn interesting for the first half or so.

Didn't liked how it was resolved, but it wasn't a bad arc in the slightest.

Hating is a fucking meme and you are a meme poster.

>>160148086
came ere 4 this

>>160151613
Delete this right fucking now.

>>160151613
Looks bad and more like anime Rukia than manga Rukia. They should've gotten the snowdrop flower instead because it's the 13th divisions flower which Rukia becomes captain of

>>160151668
It was just an excuse to give Ichigo his powers back, it barely ends up mattering later on.

>>160151255
>People long since gave up on Bleach before it even
Not "people", but "You", faggot. Project more.

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>>160151762
>it barely ends up mattering later on
Please. A person can spin everything as " it didn't matter ".

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>>160151762
Not that guy but:

>Tsukashima was the second in command of Fullbring and was killed off

>Kugo Ginjou was the substitute Soul Reaper and the leader of Xcution and was beaten and killed

>Xcution was the organization comprised of humans with fullbring powers and the group was broken up (or in the case of Giriko, killed)

If you want an arc that barely mattered, that's Tenchi Bridge Arc.

>Kabuto isn't captured
>Orochimaru isn't killed
>Sasuke is dangled around like a carrot on a stick and leaves
>Danzo's plans aren't stopped and he still usurps Tsunade and the next Hokage
>Sai's inclusion is pointless and becomes irrelevant through out the series.

Tenchi Bridge Arc is trely the filler arc. Not saying Fullbring is good, but it at least accomplished something

>>160151829
No, really. Disregarding the actual purpose, which was getting Ichigo his powers back, it comes back twice in the overall narrative. Once when they help Ichigo and pals enter the castle and again near the very end where Tsukushima or whatever comes back and fixes Ichigo's Bankai. The first could have easily been someone else and the second was pants-on-head retarded anyway.

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>>160151970
So you are contradicting yourself, but still claiming otherwise.

>>160151922
>>Tsukashima was the second in command of Fullbring and was killed off
>>Kugo Ginjou was the substitute Soul Reaper and the leader of Xcution and was beaten and killed
>>Xcution was the organization comprised of humans with fullbring powers and the group was broken up (or in the case of Giriko, killed)

But all of this is self-contained. None of these things affect the rest of Bleach's story. If the arc had never introduced Xcution and its members it would have never had to kill them off, meaning for the purpose of the overall narrative it's pointless. As opposed to something like the Espada. They mostly get killed off but they have an effect on the narrative that transcends their momentary presence as active members of the story.

>>160152084
I'm just saying that outside of their own arc they affect the story in such a minor way that you could ax them entirely and little would be lost. Can't say that about any other group of antagonists in the manga.

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>>160151767
>Not "people", but "You", faggot
>DAT SALES DROP
>DAT CANCELLED ANIME
>DAT RANKING DROP

No I'm pretty sure most people gave up on Bleach long before it ended

>>160152141
>Tsukashima dies
>goes to Soul Society where he fixes Ichigo's Bankai

>Kugo Ginjou dies
>only shows up
This one is right

>Other Fullbringers are broken up
>Riruka sends one of the Daigan into her box to allow then to transport back up and Yukio uses his power get them and Grimmjow and Nelliel to come

At least with Ginjou you are right, the others you are not.

>>160152247
"DAT" Damage control.

>>160152247
>Sales drop
>450,000-500,000 copies average in the Final Arc
>75% more sales than most of WSJ arrsenal

>Anime cancelled
>Forget that the filler arcs are what cancelled the series, not the canon material.

>Ranking system
>Oda already explained that the system doesn't reflect the popularity or quality of the manga but rather what the Editor in Chief and Assistant want to promote.

Dude at least TRY to look up this stuff before posting it.

>>160152232
>MEME POSTER
>E
>M
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>P
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Not to be rude (right?), but it's like people come online just to post shit for the heck of it.

>>160152405
>75% more sales than most of WSJ arrsenal
>most of Jump's arsenal are NEW manga that started in the same year
>Despite that new series like AssClass, Haikyuu, Souma and MHA were able to outsell it in a few years
Okay

>Forget that the filler arcs are what cancelled the series, not the canon material.
You do realize that the final season was covering fullbring right?

>Oda already explained that the system doesn't reflect the popularity or quality of the manga but rather what the Editor in Chief and Assistant want to promote.

So I'm guessing the editor always want to promote One Piece, a 20 year old manga with billions of yen in revenue every year, every issue right?

>>160152586
>I'm guessing the editor always want to promote One Piece, a 20 year old manga with billions of yen in revenue every year, every issue right?

Yes since OP is literally the manga of JUMP. Look at how much shit it got for the anniversary.

>>160152586
1. You are forgetting about many of the other manga like Gintama, Toriko, Nisekoi, Black Clover, etc, etc. There is more to manga than just a couple you just listed

And no, MHA didn't outsell Bleach 95% of the time. It only outsold Bleach once due to the anime coming out and spiking interest

Fullbring was covered because they were trying to keep the ship alive. But it's been documented that every single time the series went into a filler arc that wasn't canon to the manga, the viewership dropped another 1 million.

>So I'm guessing the editor always want to promote One Piece, a 20 year old manga with billions of yen in revenue every year, every issue right?

That's the point. One Piece is the biggest manga in Japan. Bigger than Naruto, Bleach, JJBA, HunterXHunter, etc. They use One Piece as their flagship to keep people reading for years and years.

Oda pointed out that the system promotes what manga that the editors deem to be most interesting to THEM. Not the audience.

>>160152740
> Black Clover,
That's a new manga dibshit. Its sales were even with Toriko and Gintama even outsold it towards the end.
>And no, MHA didn't outsell Bleach 95% of the time. It only outsold Bleach once due to the anime coming out and spiking interest
Wrong again Bleachfag
>That's the point. One Piece is the biggest manga in Japan.
So it doesn't need promotion there in why your logic is flawed. Fans didn't like the final arc hence why it dropped in the rankings.

>>160152866
>So it doesn't need promotion
Are you like, fucking stupid or something?

>>160148086
>>160148156
These

>>160152740
>It only outsold Bleach once due to the anime coming out and spiking interest
>2015 sales
My Hero Academia 1# - 621k
Bleach # 66 - 500k

This was all before the anime btw. MHA went out of stock three times in its first volume alone.
>>160152956
>>160152677
That's not an argument. Why would OP need a promotion if its already popular? Why would there need to be a questionaire ever fucking issue if the editorial chose the ranking?

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>>160148051
Naruto obviously, it's the one that has a sequel(that's currently airing), LNs, various spinoffs and over half a dozen games set in it's universe. I don't think Fairy Tail and Bleach even come close in terms of media exposure and profitability, which is what all three were striving for in the end. Naruto is the King when compared to those two.

>>160148674
Gajeel got Levy pregnant.
Juvia got her Gray-sama.
Erza got cucked, and ended up alone.

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>>160148674
>wow a shounen ended
>how did a shounen end

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It pains me to say it but, Naruto by far, it just managed to maintain quality for longer and not just the beginning, that being said they all end up with horrible final arcs and disappointing endings

>>160153018
Laxus fucked all the best women

>>160153002
No, you are counting sales that were backlogged over months. I'm talking about initial sales that came out.

Like how Bleach sold 1 million copies per volume in one weekend when the Arrancars first arrived around volumes 24-28.

>>160152866
>It's a NEW MANGA! It doesn't count!!!
>AssClass Haiyuuku and MHA were new manga during that time too.

No, your logic if flawed given how Oda basically backhands your argument.

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>>160153040
>him and OJ are out of jail

Shonen Power ranking

Dragon Ball Z > Dragon Ball > HxH (2011) > Boruto > Bleach > Naruto > Naruto Shippuden = One Piece > Dragon Ball Super

(Fairy Tail isn't in this list because i didn't watch it)

>>160153148
>No, you are counting sales that were backlogged over months.
...because they kept selling out retard so they had to increase the print run.

>Like how Bleach sold 1 million copies per volume in one weekend when the Arrancars first arrived around volumes 24-28.
Cool horeshit bro

>>160153148
A manga that's only two months old should be outselling a manga that;s 15 years old

Okay

>>160153495
Dude, It's true. Bleach sales back in the day sold 1 million copies a weekend during that time. That's one of the big reasons why it was called "The Big 3". it's entirely possible given One Piece and Naruto doing the same at one time (or now given OP).

You can add ALL the manga sales over months all you want, but the initial weekend sales of MHA #1 are 71,575. Those sales you mentioned are blacklogged.

Age is irrelevant. It's how well the manga is keeping the audience buying that matters when it comes to sales.

That's why Bleach outsold 75% of the WSJ arsenal.

>>160153484
>no Yu Yu Hakusho
Shitty power ranking

>>160153002
>Why would OP need a promotion if its already popular?
...
>Target audience - kids
>Running for 20 years

Well ya know, people age. And while it's kawaii to see a 30 year old in a suit holding jump and reading OP in the subway on his way from work there's not that many people like that out there, and if you tell a random kid to read 800 chapters of something to make sense of it, he'll most likely tell you to fuck off. It's not rocket science. Hey, and I'm just scratching the surface.

>>160148156

eww, no.

Toriko>Naruto>Fairy Tail>Bleach

Gash Bell > Jojo > FMA > YYH > One Piece > MHA > HxH > Shaman King > Dragon Ball > Saint Seiya > Naruto > Bleach

>>160151922
The majority of the Fullbringer arc was Ichigo training for a new power (that functioned exactly like his old power anyway) that he immediately lost.

I didn't even get into Fairy Tail past ep 4, didn't finish the Pain arc of Naruto and don't have time for Bleach until I'm about to kill myself. So I guess Naruto. I will watch One Piece or HxH before any of them though.

>>160149466
>bleach
>art
???

>>160148051
which of their mangakas is the most handsome?

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Thoughts on Lucy's body of work?

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>>160155116
superior lucy

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>>160155194

>>160148051
Naruto>>>>>Fairy Tail=Bleach

that being said, One Piece and BnhA are both way above those three

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>>160155230

>>160155194
>>160155230
>>160155274
I'd have to go with kubo

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>>160155158
I disagree

>>160155206
I like that your response is possibly one of the greatest examples of Kubo refusing to draw backgrounds under any circumstance. The only better example I can think of is THE HEART.

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Is Black Clover better than any of them y/n?

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>>160155378
I don't get the whole background whining.

>>160155729
Better than Fairy Tail so far, not much tho.

>>160148051
>best
Bleach was okay
Fairy Tail was okay
Naruto was okay
One Piece is okay

>>160151922

Didn't they reappear in the last arc? Just in panel?

>>160155812
>I don't get the whole background whining.

It's pretty self-explanatory, Kubo leaves tons of negative space on his pages. It looks like lazy shit.

>>160155812
He's an artist and yet the only thing he ever draws if he can get away with it is people, that is a concept that can work for some manga but in a battle shonen it makes Kubo objectively worse at his job than his peers on the art front.

>>160156025
No, Tsuakshima appeared for an entire chapter and that one panel.

Kugo Ginjou showed up for a few panels

Riruka and Yukio showed up for 2 full chapters.

>>160156066
>>160156070

not that guy but it's a black and white comic. Minimalism for backgrounds is much better in black and white drawings. It's not colored

I have seen what happens when Black and White drawings get a TON of background like One Piece or American Comics that show off black and white pages of colored pages. It seems like WAY too much is cluttering.

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>>160155885
>Fairy Tail
>okay

>>160148051
If you count Fair Tail only as a comedy then it win, however if ou count it as a shoen than it is second. Bleach was good at begining and ok in arrancar arcs but starting from fake Karakura arcs it was shitty as hell. About Naruto only last arc was bad rest of manga was good.

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>>160155729
Wow, the tits actually sag like normal tits

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>>160156488

>>160156066
>It looks like
Every single thread... Stop with the fucking meme posting, looks pretty fucking awesome most of the time with great arrangement.


Wanna discuss about something that's shitty and lazy? Look at "Dogs: Bullets & Carnage".
That's actually shitty.

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>>160156573

They all suck

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>>160156573
It bring back memory. BTW I never understand why Tsuna didn't actually grow up, it looked more like he had split personaly in moments that author felt: "now he have to be cool" than actually growing up and starting to have faith in himself.

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>>160155116
>>160155366
>>160156340
Whatever Mashima does next, I really hope he keeps making beautiful, busty waifus

>>160156989
I agree with you mate I totaly agree.

Was the Big 3 era the most successul era of Jump?

>One Piece
>Naruto
>Bleach
>Death Note
>Toriko
>D. grayman
>Bo-bobo bobo
>Eyeshield 21
>Reborn!
>To Love Ru

>>160157273
One Piece to Death Note yes.

Toriko and D. Gray Man were low tier manga

Bo-Bo-Bo and Eyeshield were at least decent

Reborn and To Love Ru are waste of times.

>>160153944
You're not answering the question. Why would OP need promotion if its hugely popular? Are you saying tht Bleach isn't popular hence why it dropped in the rankings? I guess that's the case.

>>160153641
>Bleach sales back in the day sold 1 million copies a weekend during that time.
No it didn't you fucking liar. Before the anime Bleach was averaging 500k per volume and didn't cross 1 million until the end of the SS arc when the anime started, it had two boosts throughout its run and then dropped during Winter War, Naruto and One Piece were already million sellers before their anime.

>>160153641
>but the initial weekend sales of MHA #1 are 71,575.
Because its print run was small and it sold out three times. Now i know you're a liar because Bleach's print run was nowhere near that huge when it first started.

>Age is irrelevant
1- How would a manga that just started get a huge print run in its first volume unless it sold out and they had to keep restocking?

2- How does that negate the fact that AssClass, MHA, Souma and HQ were outselling it when they were at most two years young?

You are desperately graspung for straws.

>>160158695
No, you are lying. I said it sold 1 million copies a weekend from volume 24-28, You are trying to deny it with your idiotic statements of "IT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE ANIME!!!!" Despite that was from one weekend. MHA outsold Bleach ONCE thanks to the anime and then never did it again initial sales wise.

Dude, don't even TRY to pull that bullshit. MHA still didn't sell your 600,000+ copies like you stated. It only got that high up from several YEARS of backlogged sales. You were trying to argue sales that were backlogged with initial sales.

1. If the manga doesn't sell exponentially more as each manga volume goes on, then it's clearly not getting the big enough audience. That's why initial sales of MHA staggered around the 200,000+ sales. Hell, MHA volume 11's initial sales were around 200,000 while Bleach's rushed ending volume 74 sold 250,000+ copies initially. Bleach still outsold MHA in those important initial sales.

2. AssClass, Haiyuuku actually had some more quality behind it. Again, MHA didn't outsell Bleach 95% of the time. I don't know anything about Souma. Again, if the manga's quality is good, then the sales will stay very high up.

You are desperately trying to lie your way through all of this. Bleach's Final Arc outsold MHA's sales during both of their runs 95% of the time.

>>160158695
Bleach dropped when the FB arc started.

>>160153944
That wouldn't be a fucking problem if Toei and Oda collaborated on a collection of OVAs.

>>160158295
>You're not answering the question.
Are you stupid or something?
>Are you saying tht Bleach isn't popular hence why it dropped in the rankings?
Don't put words in my mouth, faggot, and what the actual fuck?

Naruto was far and away the better series in pretty much every aspect, primarily since it actually had something somewhat resembling a plot and a storyline unlike Bleach. Fairy Tail did have some sort of storyline and plot, but it got dragged down by everything else. It made up for that by having a nice slice of life aspect to it as well as fun and memorable characters and not to mention the great girls.

Personally, I'd say Naruto >>>>>> Fairy Tail > Bleach. FT vs Bleach is very much arguable, and it's basically comparing two turds, but anyone genuinely believing Bleach is better than Naruto is an actual retard.

That's not to say Naruto is actually good, because it isn't. Close to the end it really shat the bed, but before the conclusion of the war, it held up fairly consistently. Let's pretend Kaguya never happened.

As for why I think Bleach is so shit, I'd say it's because the universe and its laws made no sense whatsoever. In the beginning we were introduced to the Soul Society as a place where you ended up at when you died. But then we learn that Ichigo's dad is a spirit himself... except he's living in the human world and had kids with a human girl(though quincy, she's human). It makes no fucking sense. It also had the worst ending of the 3. Just how many pages did Kubo spend on the huge-ass miracle sternritter? He wasn't interesting in the slightest yet instead of summing everything up, Kubo kept using his pages on him.

There's so much more to it than that, but this is how I feel. I just don't understand how anyone can claim Bleach was better than Naruto.

fairy tail was obviously the worst of the three and one of the worst shonen manga, the rest is up to discussion

>>160159344
The FB thing should have been about spiritualists who fight against demons that escaped hell.
With Chad being brought to hell to because he has natural power or something.
Ichigo is able to somewhat manifest his spritual power and is able to make his zanpaktou's true power, the white come forth.
Would just be him with his hollow mask a white BLEACHED sword and occasionally show him with black schlera and a mask that looks like his hollow form from mexico to show that he means business.

Would then be Ichigo Orihime Chad and his titastic babysister trying to stop demons and damned souls from escaping from hell and posessing humans.
Or worse posessing a high level hollows.

>>160159911
I really never saw the point of Kaguya.

Obito and Madara were perfectly serviceable final villains. Hell, Madara was actually kinda fun, and Obito's face turn, rushed as it was, was actually justifiable. And IIRC, Naruto and Sasuke already teamed up by then, and everyone was put to sleep, so they could've just beat Madara, and have the exact same final bout with the same excuses.

She was literally inconsequential. The only reason I can think of for her existing is to build up the moon aliens for Boruto, but even then, they could've just done that in Boruto rather than sticking it in Naruto's end.

>>160160139
Kishimoto literally admitted himself that he had no idea how to finish Madara off. I'm guessing this is why he introduced Kaguya to be able to kill him. It's a retarded idea though since Kaguya is even more overpowered on paper.

In the end, she served no purpose whatsoever and all it did was taking away the role of final boss from Madara, who was a perfect candidate for the role. It would have been better if just Naruto and Sasuke defeated Madara on their own.

>>160148051
Naruto>Fairy Tail>Bleach
Naruto gave me good feels, FT funny moments and ships, bleach was only good fights, everything else of bleach was shit

>>160159911
All about preference. I personally prefer Bleach over those two.

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Bleach is on a whole different level the others don't come close to the story, art, setting, fights & potential
Almost the entire /a/ community will agree with this even in the year 2017 really begs the question of where the fuck is the anime now.

>>160160139
She should have just been a "Wait till we wake this sleeping moon bitch up! Then it's on!!"
With them all doing what they could to stop Madara.
Obito? The coolest guy thing was deeply fucking retarded.

Should have just been an evil jokey deadpoolish naruto who did a good job pretending to be a serious madara knock off.
It would mirror pre-shippuden naruto sakura and sasuke's ooc relationship.

Would be kind of cool to see wouldn't it?

Jokey early Naruto becoming jaded and evil and having the sharingan because he lost the love of his life Sakura at the hands of his best friend.
The ever cool and distant Sasuke becoming a relative good guy who had to rely on his actual talent and becoming a leader who wanted his family back
Sakura being an actually competent selfless heroine who chose to die at the hands of sasuke rather then destroy the village by having the jinchuriki released.

>>160160583
>story, art, setting, fights & potential
Art and setting is personal preference. I'll give you that. But there's no fucking way you can claim it's better than Naruto in the story aspect. Literally no fucking way. Please explain.

I'll also just mention that the character you posted in your gif literally only exists as a convenient plot device.

>>160160690
Not that guy, but Naruto constantly retconned it self.

1. Sasuke surviving the Deidara nuclear explosion despite not doing anything in the comic panels. The explanation he gives about summoning and reverse summoning would have to take at least 5-6 seconds instead of milliseconds like the images showed.

2. Itachi saying the Mangekyo Sharingan has one last Jutsu that can only be awakened when you replace your Sharingan eyes with another pair, only to have him pull out the Suusan'o when he hasn't replaced his eyes.

3. Sage of Six Paths Lore and all of Pain being retconned, having Rinnegan eyes which are actually Madara's, being the leader of the Akatsuki when Obito is (even the one who created it) and his entire plan being nothing like the Moon's eye plan. He's basically a filler villain turned canon.

4. Rinnegan being a unique eye power when in fact it's just Mitichlorian Sharingan eyes.

5. Rinne Tensei, the so called 'seventh path' and it deus ex machina of Pain bringing everybody back to life.

6. The idea that someone can't have more than one Gekki Kenkai when people keep interjecting 1st Hokage DNA into themselves to gain the power of both the Uchiha and Senju. Plus Sharingan can't copy blood trait jutsu too.

7. Kushina being the Nine Tailed Fox's previous host when Jiraiya never once mentioned it when he was talking to the Frog scroll about the connection between 9 Tailed Fox and it might not be an accident.

8. Orochimaru being horcruxed back to life despite Kabuto knowing NOTHING about this. Seriously, why wouldn't Orochimaru have told Kabuto about this magical BS way to bring him back? HE'S HIS MOST LOYAL SERVANT!

9. Reaper Death Seal mask being a thing and Orochimaru finding it in less than 5 minutes. Why didn't he do this earlier instead of going after Tsunade in part 1 if he knew about this mask the entire time?

Continued in next post

>>160160786
10. Gaara's backstory got retconned so that the father and uncle was trying to kill him out of 'love'. Which that makes things much worse.

11. Uchiha Clan is genetically evil due to chemicals released into their brains which cause them to become emotionally unstable and mentally imbalanced.

12. Kabuto giving Obito the Edo Tensei contribution, Obito saying he had no idea about something like this would happen, then proceeding to make the majority of his plan the ninja zombies. Hell, he used the Edo Tensei versions of Tailed beast hosts 2-7 has his makeshift Sage of 6 Paths.

13. Kaguya. Do I need to explain WHY she's a retcon? Or does 'replace Madara Uchiha because he's invincible as stated by Kishimoto' not work?

>>160160690
As for characters, nobody even comes CLOSE in Bleach to the awfulness that was Sasuke Uchiha, Sakura Haruno and Kaguya.

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>>160160690
pic wasn't related & yeah okay personal preference.
But the story is better you've got to take into account all the manga chapters & the novels.
Every character has a very unique personality & back story that really makes the main story so much better.
I suppose first watch you don't really get the same feel for it but if you read the whole thing & the novels the anime has a totally different feel.

>>160159344
>Bleach dropped when the FB arc started.
Nope. It sells started dropping during Winter War because fans were fed up with the Aizen bullshit, its rankings dropped with FB because it was in general a shitty arc and ultimately a waste of time.

>>160160786
>>160160830
You didn't even need to name all of this. The message in Part 1 of Naruto was to fight against fate, and actually had Naruto work hard in order to achieve things and get stronger then when Kaguya was introduced and we find out that he(along with Sasuke) was basically a reincarnation of several powerful beings which throws that out the fucking window.

Also Naruto's constant "muh sasuke" was 100x worse than Ichigo's constant "much protect".

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>>160160583
>Bleachfags
You guys are truly the Battleborn of Shounen manga

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>>160156187
This, kubo a hack

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>>160148051
Naruto started really promising, but chapter after chapter it morphed into some shity emo bullshit. God, if only Sasuke had been killed off early and they had focused on other characters.

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>>160160786
>>160160830
>Bleachfag saying any manga has retcons and bad writing

Even that fucking autist Lab Member called it quits when all his theories turned out to be shit.

>>160148086
fpbp

>>160148086
First post is alright desu

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>>160161999
>>160159344
The clear drop starts later then FB arc actually.

>>160160786
>>160160830
I don't think you know what retcon means. These are all terrible writing, though.

>>160162124
Oda dismissed that already as a myth created by the Editor in Chief and the Assistant.

Rankings mean nothing.

>>160162330
No, Naruto kept CONSTANTLY retconning itself entirely. Bleach's retcons were very sparse and only happened VOLUMES upon VOLUMES latter

>>160148051
>Which of these three terrible manga was the best?
Why did you even make this thread? It's completely irrelevant.

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>>160148974
Yes, FT had best boys and girls, too bad Mashima ruined it with constant fanservice

>>160163035
>best boys and girls
Like who? They were all trash. Natsu is an uglier/weaker knock-off Luffy wannabe, Gray is a jobber that looks like a manlet, Lucy was useless 98% of the time while Erza was the biggest Mary-sue in shonen.

>>160163443
agree with most of that, Mashima can´t finish a fight properly without recuring to the usual shounen cliche The series fights would be a lot better with gray as MC (smart fights) and natsu dying defeating Acnologia.
Anyway i just say its better than bleach for sure but not than Naruto

>>160149396
>despite it clearly coming out naturally
A shit taken over the course of ten years is anything but natural, anon.

>>160163856
Yeah, that's why Fairy Tail was fucking awful. Because it was a shit that took over 10 years.

Bleach was good for 4 out of the 6 arcs.

>>160163756
It's not better than Bleach.

>>160163443
Youre not wrong but lucy was cute as fuck and i will fight you over that

>>160160786
>>160160830
Kishimoto trying to give his mango sense, what did it kubo?

>>160163988
Uh. Karakura Town, Soul Society, and half of Arrancar. Soon as it goes to FKT it's on a downward slide with FB being the biggest waste of time in the series.

Who cares when HxH exists?

>>160164111
I've seen cuter girls in shonen.

>>160164029
Tite cant write charaters and when does he kills it like ulquiorra and gin

>>160164353
Kubo writes plenty of good characters in my opinion. It's just that he never uses most of them so it leds to them being sidelined. He tends to stick with the same characters over and over.

>>160164265
Soul Soceity and Pre-Reaper are good. Arrancar is good too and don't act like it wasn't the shit.

1000 Year Blood War was the 3rd best arc of the series.

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I'll never understand why Kubo thought killing off Unohana was a good idea. Especially how she was killed off.

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>>160164832
Yeah, seemed really dumb to me, too. I kept thinking she would be brought back at some point, perhaps by showing a healers leveled up abilities ( A wasted opportunity for Hanataro) But I guess Kubo just didn't care and ran out of time, which is what the last dozen chapters distinctly felt like.

>>160164832
1. Fight to the death. Actually meant something

2. Kenpachi waking up his Shikai.

3. Having Kenpachi basically take down Gremmy the Visionary and being able to cut that Meteor.

Unohana was a necessary sacrifice that helped with Kenpachi's character development and showed that the fights had legit consequences

>>160164997
Kenpachi a shit. She should've been the one to survive especially she since was a healer.

>>160165068
>Be the one to survive
>Kenpachi is the better fighter
>Can kill off an Espada without Shikai by using 2 handed swing

Yeah, no. Kenpachi is better suited.

>>160164997
But didn't he get another power up after the fact from yachiru becoming his sword again, or something? All I remember thinking is "Okay your stronger, so fucking what? You were always stronger. Your whole character was that you held back. Doesn't mean Unohana had to snuff it." Shit was stupid and poorly thought out.

As a member of Pol I am glad that degenerate manga Fairy tail ended. Only my boy Gajelle got laid proving that he will cuck Natsu, gray and Jellal because those 3 are faggots.Manga can only get better now these heresy has left the manga world.

>>160164494
>think about
Orihime was the generic much save me female mc, chad and uryu has no personality, Rukia was bland as fuck, same with renji he was a jobber beta
Byakuya was offpaneled and we never got explanation about Aizen and Urahara. And about kenpachi im not a edgy/rage fag, srry

Face it anons, Bleach was shit.

>>160165168
But he couldn't get Bankai until he unlocked Shikai.


It's a fact that you have to unlock Shikai first before you get Bankai. You are being stupid and are poorly thinking it out.

>>160160786
>>160160830
Really, the power level bullshit should have peaked with the Orochimaru vs 3rd Hokage fight.

>>160165304
Different opinions them. I'd pick the cast of Bleach over the cast of Naruto and FT any day of the week.

>>160162510
>The clear drop starts later then FB arc
>shows CLEARLY that sales started dropping during Winter War
Bleachfags sure do like be priven wrong it seems.

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>>160165334
yeah, nah, shit still idiotically written, and no amount of this strange and sad shilling on your part will fix that.

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>>160162747
>Bleach's retcons were very sparse

Naruto becoming literally Jesus and healing everyone with his furry pal magic was extremely dumb. I still can't believe Kishimoto turned what were giant forces of destruction and chaos into misunderstood beanie baby animals.

>>160165782
>I'd pick the cast of Bleach over the cast of Naruto and FT any day of the week.
And people will call you a fucking retard regardless

>>160165836
By clear drop I meant the huge decline. It dropped from the usual 1 million to 2 million from 2011-2012 you fuckwad.

>>160162747
>Rankings mean nothing.
>Rankings are still active and series live or die on them
Okay

>>160165883
They are.

Take 0-9. The Retcon happens in volume 41. However, the explaination to WHY this is a retcon is at volume 26 when Yammy says he's Arrancar 10 when Toshiro

>>160165869
But that's not idiotically written. That's literally from the Soul Society arc. THAT is one of the basic rules of the Soul Reaper's Zanpakutou. You are just trolling at this point.

>>160165968
>the usual 1 million
Go be stupid somewhere else

I could never really care about any of the characters in Bleach. Good art, though.

>>160166028
Thats not how a retcon works and by that logic Naruto "retcons" are even mote sparse since they all stem from Part II

>>160166164
YES IT IS. A RETCON IS BASICALLY ESTABLISHING ONE THING, AND THEN GOING BACK ON IT AND SAYING IT'S ANOTHER THING.

You are an idiot if you think otherwise.

>>160165968
The only time you woud drop a million units on yearly rankings is if you had excessive backlog like OP otherwise you should only drop by less than half that, Naruto for example maintained its 6 milllion yearly average until its end while Bleach dropped a million every year after it reached its peak in 2009.

>>160166062
It dropped from 6 to 5 to 4 to 2. The biggest decrease happened in 2012 with a 29% decrease in sales.

>>160148051
Naruto > Bleach >>>>>>>>> Fairy Tail

Before they both turned into shit, both Naruto and Bleach were pretty good especially their super early parts. Both have their fair share of memorable fights, villains, scenes, and characters. Fairy Tail never had any of those and finished without one good memorable thing, it was just a bad One Piece knockoff from the beginning that got worse over time. I think the worst thing about Fairy Tail was how the last villain was literally killed with the magic of friendship. I thought the guild coming back from that island years later took the cake for worse writing, but the final arc topped it.

Mashimas art did get better over time though. Hopefully the writing of his next work is better as well.

>>160165782
I think kinda the same about Naruto, it was one of the first animus i watched and apreciation for it, but once you grow and think about you are corcened about his faillures too.
However only strong point about Bleach was the fights.

>>160149514
Get in line.

>>160148051
how did fairy tale fuck up so bad?

From what I saw of the anime it looked decent.

>>160149466
Only good art really was the covers, originally it did used to be good, but then it started going downhill the longer it went on, and backgrounds became pretty piss poor or not even existing. While characters became very lacking in detail.

>>160170471
>Complaining about minimallism of backgrounds
>Black and white comics
>NEVER heard of Hunter Hunter and the piss poor art that comes from there

I feel sorry for you there buddy.

I guess the whole background thing never bothered me with Bleach since a lot of older manga have the same thing. I can get not liking solely white or black spaces though, it's nice to find a balance since too much background can make everything cluttered.

>>160148051
>best
You mean the least cancerous one, right?

>>160170844
Indeed. It is especially laughable since they're arguing over three of the biggest pile of dogshit manga ever.

>>160170912
I've come across worse manga.

Naruto
>Interesting and somewhat fleshed out characters
>A large world with some attempts to flesh it out
>A handful of engaging fights that seemed at least half thought out
>Shitty "I was behind it all" villains that show up out of nowhere and are fucking awful

Bleach
>Interesting powers
>Completely one dimensional characters
>Story feels like it has no idea where it wants to go during several parts
>Fights were weak as fuck with some of the best ones being between literal who characters

Fairy Tail
>Fanservice
>It never even tries to hide how nothing matters and no one important is in danger
>The jokes it leans on so hard aren't funny

>>160172513
>Naruto
>Interesting and somewhat fleshed out characters
Immediately stopped reading here. Really.

>>160172688
I'm not saying they're amazing but at least some of them feel like they're more than a set of powers or a gag.

>>160172757
They're indeed somewhat better than the ones in Bleach and Fairy Shit, but being better than them is really not a big deal. The characters of Naruto are also trash.

>>160160786
1, Sasuke used a replacement jutsu with Mandra. The only thing he needed was to control him to agree.
2. Itachi never said jack.
3. Nagako was Sage of Six Paths inheritor like Sasuke and Naruto. He had Madara's eyes because Madara knew he wasn't Uchiha.
4. Meme. No point.
5. Meme. No point.
6. You don't understand the story. Senjutsu and Uchiha's spirit make up all jutsu. No-one ever copied Mokuton successfully anyways.
7. Who cares. Not a retcon.
8. This is the only legit retcon you have. And I don't think that's even the real Orochimaru as Itachi killed him.
9. He says that he didn't know of the mask until relatively recent.
10. They didn't retcon shit. You just can't follow a storyline. Kankuro and Gaara talking to himself both foreshadow another half of the story.
11. Holy shit, just stop. It's not the chemicals. The clan was haunted by Zetsu into doing evil things in order to coax them into awakening the Rinnegan for Kaguya's revival.
12. THE PLAN WAS TO REVIVE MADARA WITH THE RINNEGAN. Either way his plan was to take on Naruto himself anyways. You're forgetting he didn't want Kabuto's help. He coerced him by threatening to revive Madara early.
13. She's been foreshadowed Kimimaro since Part 1 and Juggo in Part 2. Kishimoto said that to be humble, like he said he killed off Itachi because he was too OP.

Grow up and stop wasting people's time with this obtuse attempt at obfuscation.

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FT had the best ending of all 3.

Bleach was fucking stupid as shit, rushed too.
Naruto was ok, but it didn't give you a "aww nostalgia" feeling.
FT reminded you what you got yourself into so many years ago and gave you a bittersweet THANK YOU GOODBYE.

It's miles ahead of the rest and this is coming from a guy who grew up with Naruto, loved Bleach and hated Fairy Tail but still read it for the bewbs.

Bleach
>
Naruto
>
FT

Bleach by far, even if the latter half of it was mostly garbage.

>>160176604
worst taste itt

>>160148086
It's obvious JoJo, HxH and OP are good shounen big 3. Naruto, Bleach and FT are bad shounen big 3 so it's unfair to compare it.