Fate/Apocrypha

>>160140623
You are the worst fucking servant, I swear

>>160140623
HAHAHAHA WHAT A FUCKING DEFEATIST LOSER
THANK FUCK HIGESHITDE

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>>160140623
The most true and JUST hero.

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>>160140623
WHY DIDN'T THEY HAVE HIM SAY SUMANAI.

NASU APPROVES OF IT

So this is the power, of the Saber class...

>>160140623
>LN is the most garbage Fate out there
>Anime somehow outdoes it
WEW LAD

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>>160140623
Go to heaven.

S

>>160140623
I guess Arturia is the only Saber who can make it until the end of every Grail War.

S

>>160140623
S

RIP in peace

Sumanai.

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S- Smile

And here I got hyped by Achilles and Chiron being cool ass motherfuckers

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cute

DELETE THIS

>>160140623
This faggot is an even bigger loser than Kayneth and his lancer.
Fuck Apocrypha.

>>160140623
Wait he dies? He's still around in the manga I've been reading which seems to follow the anime very closely.

How hard is it to create a story where a servant gets to go all out? I don't even care if they win or lose but atleast make them do shit that will make the audience say "Goddamn, this guy is a beast." Siegfried is supposed to be a top tier servant in lore. Atleast make them do something noteworthy before killing them off.

>>160140623
Sumanai

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Siegfried just wanted to help people. Just by saving one person, he would be fine, he never asked for anything else. He died like he lived, saving people.

Wish for the grail? He never had one because he wanted to help people using his own powers. He had no regrets until the end, he was a seigi no mikata to the core.

https://twitter.com/iza03266/status/888782732070854656

>>160140834
The anime got ahead of the manga this episode

>>160140834
Where the hell did you learn to read

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Sumanai.

>>160140834
The manga is better imo. The fight scenes actually feel like they are longed than 1 minute.

>>160140837
You get it later on with Karna and Sieg buffed up to be better than Siegfried ever was.

>>160140623
>When you Sumanai but she keeps sucking

>Apoc ruins you as a character
>F/GO turns you into a meme so big that Nasu makes it canon

Sumanai

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>>160140969
Now the not members of our secret club can watch it.

>prepare all your life for this one moment
>summon a powerful servant to help you win the war
>he starts compulsively apologizing
>rips his own heart off while muttering something about heroes and justice
>lose

In the LN Sieg's shirt got ripped off after receiving the heart, why didn't that happen here?

I miss Mordred and Kairi already

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>mfw the very moment she sees her dragon boy

>Be summoned as the servant to some fat retarded impulsive fuck
>He beats up something that isn't even human while you hold back a french ladyboy with his white umbrella
>The french ladyboy gives you the worst motivational speech ever but it gets you anyway because it triggers your ptsd
>You catch up with Fatfuck and the disloyal Homunculus
>While you're still having your ptsd flashback they proclaim he's dying
>Instead of getting your shit together and become the "top"-tier servant you're supposed to be to make amends for your repeated failures you decide to end it all and kill yourself so the Homunculus may life
Sumanai indeed Siegfried you retarded fuck

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So what's the worst? Let's decided once and for all

Getting your national hero;
>genderbent to a fap material
>killed off like a sumanai bitch
>not appearing at all

HOPE YOU ARE READY FOR SIEG'S WILD RIDE

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Gordes almost saved us from Sieg but Sumanai had to ruin it.

>>160141024
Because they gave him his big self's clothes in advance, rather than changing outfits to save time

Didn't you notice how baggy his clothes were?

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>>160140623
Sumanai

>>160141038
>this is the face of a catholic saint

>>160141015
Atleast Gordes gets to survive.

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>>160140623
>Volume 1 in 4 episodes
JUST

25 / 5 = 5

Five episodes per one volume.

So why the fuck did they finish it with 4 episodes?

Go read the manga guys. The story will still be shit but at least it looks nice.

>>160141038
Seems more like it's dragon boy whose dingaling is growing with how hard he focused

>>160141084
Sieg focused volumes will need more episodes.

>>160141084
For more romance shenanigans later.

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>>160141070
Sumanai.

>>160141062
I did, but never thought much of it.

Such a shame.

>>160141046
Atleast you can fap to the genderbent, and if your hero doesn't appear Type-Moon can't rape him. Getting Sumanai'd seems to be the worst here.

>>160140947
they'll never buff him some more

>>160141046
Definitely not appearing at all. At least the other two exists. Also 1 is not a negative, that's a fucking great thing to happen. Those brit bastards should be fucking grateful that their king is now such a cute girl.

>>160141049
I'm looking forward to it. I imagine it'll be okay.

>>160141015
>summon a moralfag when you're doing not moralfag things
>wtf why did he oppose what I wanted?

>>160141050
The true hero of Apo.

>>160141092
The manga art is not very good though. At least the anime has well-animated fights.

f

>>160141084
Epilogue with Sieg and Jeanne fucking in notAvalon

>>160141115
>"h-he did it again!"

>>160141084
unfortunately probably so they can add more Sieg/Jeanne scenes, when they should be adding more of other cooler characters

>>160141084
F/Z was better than this as it had 5 episodes for volume 1 and even then episode 1 was a hour long.

>>160141070
Siegfried is not her Sigurd so she can rest easy.

>>160140851
But you need to want something from the grail to be eligible for a summoning.

>>160141084
Because the later volumes are longer

>>160140851
Arigatou

>>160141161
no you don't

Gordes did nothing wrong.

He was supposed to make Apo better by killing off that retarded homunculus

They have to change like all the Sieg and Jeanne scenes in the first half of Volume 2 though, because Jeanne is not supposed to know wtf happened to Saber and go the castle and they're not even supposed to meet until volume 2

>>160141120
They seemingly turned Balmung into EX-rank without much gameplay buffs

>>160141084
So they can give Sieg more screen time, anon.

>>160140623
How come Apocrypha managed to be shittier than Fate route?

Why didn't Astolfo kill himself if he valued Siegs life so much? Nice paladin you got there Charlemagne

>>160141084
Because fuck all happens in volume 1.

This way they can actually focus more on things later on, add bits that Hagashide things needs expanding, etc. You should have expected this when instead of expanding on Karna vs Siegfried they kept it a sudden burst of action.

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great Vlad

>>160141208
sumanai

>>160141161
Not even close. You need a wish in general, it doesn't specifically have to be for the Grail.

So when is Karna going to kick Vlad's ass?

>>160141212
Because Higashide is a shittier writer than Nasu.

>>160141073
It is. Can't you see how serene it is?

>>160141161
Not really. You just need to agree to the summon.
In the original VN Cu just wanted to have fun fights

>>160141231
Is he alright?

>>160140623
Such a throwaway character

>>160141251
I don't think that's possible

>>160141212
It isn't

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>>160141161
EMIYA has wish need for the grail, yet he gets summoned
C U C K

>>160141161
Not really. Arthur didn't have a wish for the grail after the first HGW since he realized it's true nature but he was still summoned for the 2nd HGW.

>>160140623
Is Apocrypha the Gundam SEED of FSN and Zero?

Because a lot of things here seem like bootlegs of the former two

>>160141231
isn't Spartacus supposed to get angry in the end because he finds out he's about to be opressed? They really shortened some cool scenes in the anime for no reason

>>160141212
You wanna know the best part?
It really has not started to shit itself yet. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

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>>160141258
>In the original VN Cu just wanted to have fun fights
best

>>160141038
Why does she lust for the dragon D?

Why is this show so bad? Was the LN better?

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>Be excited to see the hero of my great nation do glorious combat with fellow heroes of legend

>watch him kill himself instead

This is a crime against my people

>>160141312
He also get off to being oppressed

>>160141212
A reminder that Higashide was literally a fanfiction writer that Nasu decided to hire for some reason.

>>160141046
But genderbent servants are a great thing.

>tfw Ameriburger and no genderbent Heroic Spirits.

>>160141338
The LN was bad, but the anime somehow made itself worse.

>>160141084
4 + 5 + 5 + 5 + 5 + final episode

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>When Nasu tells you to add a relatable homunculus, so you do
>It makes your shit writing even worse

>>160141283
Fuck off faggot, 2nd half of Apocrypha is basically a Fate route rip-off but much worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sea_pUoczag&t=148s

The only good characters in Apocrypha throughout the whole thing were Achilles, Chiron, Atalanta, Fiore, Mordred, Shiro, Semiramis, and Kairi, everything else resolved like shit, with cool moments dispersed between them once in a while

>>160141299
Artoria*
she*
she*

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>>160141116
It was a pretty good idea actually, since it saves screentime for more important things

Though I'd be lying if I said I expect them to use said time saved on longer and cooler servant fights

>>160141250
Probably somewhere around episode 8 I'd say.

>>160141280
>Spartacus thrown away because Higeshite didn't know what to do with him and he wasn't a waifu
>Hype Siegfried, oh wait here's OC Sieg btw Jannu loves him
>Gordes mental retardation
>Vlad turning into Dracula and getting posessed by Darnic only to job to a fucking cross
Literally the only good things about Apocrypha are most of the designs and the Shirou red herring

>>160141396
*Altria

>>160141396
Altria*

The reason they make all the fights short as fuck is probably to save budget, but it really sucks. I just hope shit like Achilles vs Chiron gets the proper budget and length

Is this the worst Type-Moon anime yet?
I don't think Tsukihime was this bad.

>>160141396
I meant Arthur. Not Artoria. Artoria participated in a 4th and 5th HGW while Arthur participated in a 1st and 2nd HGW. Artoria also still had a wish for the grail by the 5th HGW, unlike Arthur who realized what the grail really is after the first HGW.

>>160141408
>Probably somewhere around episode 8 I'd say
Just a question, are there any fights or happenings in between this episode and Karna's fight against Vlad?

>>160141417
To be honest, that kind of ending for literal Dracula in a Grail War is to be expected.

>>160141379
Did you even fucking read Fate?
The only thing that's similiar to Fate route is the ending with Avalon/the Other Side

Lancer ga shinda

>>160141417
A lot of the red servants and Kairi and Chiron were pretty cool, but they didn't get enough focus

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who /selfinsertintosieg/ here?

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>>160141364
You got a speciesbent Heroic Spirit, so quit your bitching

>>160141388
>Karna
>Vlad
>Spartacus
>Caules
>not good

>>160141084
Sumanai

>>160141417
okay but consider this:

UBW

>>160141469
the giant Volume 2 battle has a ton of fights happening at the same time, and the only fight before that is Mordred vs Jack, Mordred vs Chiron, and Sisigou vs Fiore

>>160141417
>Literally the only good things about Apocrypha are most of the designs and the Shirou red herring
>Designs
Most of the character designs are also shit and is over the top. The servants look like a bunch of try hard Korean MMORPG characters.

>>160141398
Yeah right, so much valuable time saved just by his shirt not ripping.

Fuck that, I wanted to see him shirtless with Jeanne staring at him.

>>160141469
Karna's fight with Vlad is part of a larger war segment that'll probably begin somewhere around episode 7.

>>160140623
Neo-Type-Moon is trash.

Inviting guest authors was a mistake, starting with Urobuchi.
Grand Order is trash partially because of this.

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>>160141364
Just imagine it; the Founding Lolis

But of course any good Ameri/a/non would find it outrageous and duly file a formal complaint, I suppose

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At least the important ones are still with us

>>160141433
>>160141435
Fuck you, faggots. I wonder if you call Waver "Load El-Melloi" as well.

Dropped.

Why are Japanese so shit at developing interesting ideas?

>>160141499
Most people didn't get the focus they needed

>>160141283
Why?

>>160141417
>Spartacus thrown away because Higeshite didn't know what to do with him and he wasn't a waifu
He's a Berserker with a fun gimmick. He's not meant to stay.
>Gordes mental retardation
He's amazing though
>Vlad turning into Dracula and getting posessed by Darnic only to job to a fucking cross
I don't see the problem

>>160141526
Karna, Vlad, and Spartacus were cool, but the way they went out and their stories resolved was shit. Spartacus' Ultimate suicide attack jobbed to Higashide's waifu, and Karna jobbed to Sieg for retarded reasons. At least Vlad went out in an ironic way

>>160141558
>The servants look like a bunch of try hard Korean MMORPG characters.
I pity the animators who have to draw this crap

well jeannu isnt so bad

>>160141577

I want to marry the evil cat.

>>160141600
yeah, if you want a war with more characters than usual, then Strange Fake pacing is way better, plus it helps that Strange Fake doesn't have Sieg or a clear MC

>>160141417
>be a pious as fuck Christian soldier of the faith
>get killed by a cross
It's partly because of all that bullying that I prefer Sad Vlad over Rad Vlad

>>160141469
Mordred and Kairi vs. Firore and Chiron vs. Jackie

>>160141499
You can say the same for a lot of characters in Apo. Even Gordes ended up being more entertaining than you'd suspect at first glance. However, he wasn't the focus.

>>160141584
Of course not. You should put a "II" after that.

>>160141555
>Mordred vs Chiron
>Sisigou vs Fiore
Does the fight end up with stalemate considering Achilles is destined to fight Chiron later on?

>Mordred vs Jack
Is this the part where Jack loses and gets herself exorcised by Jeanne?

>>160141593
they're not

you are watching a fanfic spinoff of an eroge

>>160141526
>Caules

How the fuck is Soda 2.0 any good?

>>160140623
>be Saber
>die
He is a disgrace to the Saber class. Please tell me at least Mordred survives.

>>160141648
I think what helps SF the most is the fact that Narita is less of a hack than Higashite

>>160141212
Because Nasu wants to make sure that a case like Fate/Zero, where a good chunk of the fanbase thinks it's way better than his writing, never happens again so he forces shitty plots in other works and willingly make the authors lose their time.

In Apo it took the form of Sieg that he forced in, in Strange/Fake it took the form of him delaying Narita from going forward with the plot because he was waiting for Nasu to show how Enkidu is as a character in the Babylon chapter of FGO only to reveal that this Enkidu wasn't even the real one, Narita even commented about that on his twitter from what I recall.

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>>160141577
Find a flaw. Oh wait, you can't.

>Plot is shit
>Animation is supbar
>Characters are shit save for 2 or 3 of them
>Even the music is shit
How can they ruin such a good concept?

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>>160141558
This. People only say Apocrypha's are good because they're used to FGO's, which somehow shat out far worse ones.

>>160141651

Then FGO he gets summoned with LoD active and he goes 'well I guess I'm a vampire now'. And then he points at Elisabeth and says 'And you're my niece."

>>160141714
>Please tell me at least Mordred survives.
She dies too.

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>Jeanne gets added as a mediator
>Constantly interferes
Shit like this is why Alter is better.

>>160141331
The Dragon Dick is a funny meme. The real story is that Jeanne developed feelings for Sieg through normal human interaction and fighting on the same team. We have Laeticia to thank for that. It was she who took a liking to him first.

>>160141648
>SF doesn't have Sieg
Sigma is literally SF's Sieg.

>>160141746
Her breasts are smaller than some japanese prostitute.

>>160141609
Fair enough, they went out in a bad way, but they're still good characters.

>>160141693
He has some cool scenes later on.

>>160141742
I really don't want to believe Nasu is that petty, but it makes way too much sense

>>160141746

Insufficient screentime.

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Why are there so many retarded reddit shitposters on this thread?

>>160141671
>Is this the part where Jack loses and gets herself exorcised by Jeanne?
No.

>>160141648
Honestly I feel strange fake progresses too slow, I also don't have a single shred of faith in Narita as a writer in this, he loves his setp ieces too much to have them die, which is a problem when you have around 30 characters in your story that all need some sort of conclusion

>>160141714
Every servant dies except for Astolfo.

>>160141671
Those end in draws yeah, and no Jack the loli gets exorcised in Volume 4

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Best guy

>>160141751
It looked like it was gonna surpass FSN so Nasu kept suggesting things to Higashide and it eventually became a trainwreck

>>160141746

She seduced her dad

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>>160141754
Kerry is cool though

>>160141567
>Karna's fight with Vlad
What made Karna face off against Vlad? Is it Shirou's orders or Karna just decides to take on the strongest servant in the black faction out of interest?

>>160141746
Her clothes look like bodypaint

>>160141751
>Even the music is shit

That's wrong though. Literally the only good thing in this trainwreck.

>>160141648
Strange Fake is a fucking mess and even more dependen on references to other TM stuff than Apocrypha. Also let's not even begin with the 4 volumes being a single day

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>>160141767
Like that dumb tsundere even knows what mediating is.

>>160141767
Literally fuck off with that piece of fanfiction.net given human form.

>>160141742
CCC already showed what Enkidu was like through the flashbacks though

>>160141771
Sigma is way better than Sieg, he's a chill dude, he doesn't steal screentime, he doesn't have everyone love him immediately,and he's pretty funny on occasion. Lancer Charlie Chaplin when?

>>160141760
And said niece had also previously murdered his other self's waifu

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aah i want to suck dragon's dick

>>160141833
War happened, Atalanta decided to fight Spartacus, Karna decided to fight Vlad.

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>>160141819
Strong and thick dragon dick

>>160141771
Yeah but he's a rape baby instead of a homunculus

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What is happening in pic related?

>>160141593
Apocrypha have interesting ideas, the shit writing is the problem.

>>160141833
Red assaults Black's fortress. They need their strongest one to fend off Vlad.

S

>>160141828
That armor isn't bad, just the concept of turning normal characters into Servants while recycling their designs in such trashy ways is fucking retarded.

In any case, I could've posted nearly any of its original Servants, which are even worse.

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>>160141742
You're literally making shit up. Nasu only suggested that Higashide made a MC to centralize the plot. All the Sieg shit is Higashide's doing.

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The only good thing about this adaption is it generating more doujins.

>>160141889
>Literally fuck off with that piece of fanfiction.net given human form.

He says of the franchise that started with the premise of King Arthur being a teenage girl.

>>160141936
That's referenced. Sad Vlad can't ever forgive her for that, it's part of why he dislikes her.

>>160141948
She wants the double D

>>160141959
No. There is nothing worse than servant Kerrytugu

>>160141959
>recycling their designs in such trashy ways is fucking retarded.

It's just fanservice desu

>>160141339
>be from fertile crescent
>all the heros that come from our lore are supposed to be op due to how ancient they are

>>160141876
>the 4 volumes being a single day
At least read the fucking thing before you pretend to know about it.

3 days have passed (vol.1 is "day 0").

>>160141983
There never was a person called Arthur Pendragon in history. Joan of Arc is a different story.

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>>160141746
Best Mermaid

>>160141130
The manga art is comfy as fuck, nigga

>>160141951
>They need their strongest one to fend off Vlad.
Why not go with Achilles? Since Vlad's attack can't even penetrate his invulnerability anyways.

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So, if the Ruler is summoned by the Grail to oversee the war with a shitload of Command Spells to keep it within the bounds, how did the third Heaven's Feel work out with pic related around? Was he a regular Ruler? Why didn't the Einzberns just order every Servant to kill their Masters and themselves in the process?

>>160141558
Vlad, Semiramis, Shakespeare, Chiron, Atalante, Mordred, Astolfo and Jeanne are good designs, Frankenstein is an interesting genderbender that doesn't look too bad. Karna and Siegfried do look somewhat Korean MMO like, Achilles is mediocre and Jack and Spartacus are trash.

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>>160141754
>while recycling their designs
But that's the whole point
Catering to the demographic that likes the dude they added

>>160142074
Chiron is dealing with Achilles.

Why does Jeanne look like she wants Sieg's dick even though she met him for the first time?

>>160142075
Einzberns are retarded

>>160141804
Unfortunately, this tends to happen a lot in saturday and sunday

>>160142015
It'd be "fanservice" if they were just playable characters the player can unlock for no real reason. Those are fully canon Servants, used in serious stories. Waver as Zhuge Liang and Rin being posessed by Ishtar are even more retarded.

>>160141889
>Fanfiction
You mean "Having my self-insert fuck the Saint"?

>>160142075
Well, he only has 2 Command Spells per Servant, so at most he could get every Master to have to waste two to nullify his. From there, the strain of being pulled in two directions by so many Command Spells would weaken a Servant enough to let Amakusa finish them off.

Basically, cheating.

>>160142172
Jeanne Alter is literally Gilles fanfiction giving form by a grail

>>160142074
Do you not see how having Achilles fight a Servant who can make stakes appear at any angle from the ground after Chiron spilled the beans about his true name could be a slight problem?

>>160142075

Actually, they did. And it was working really damn well too. Because for once the Einzberns weren't retarded and didn't summon Angry.

And then Nazis happened.

If Chiron had died Black team would have been fucked against Achilles. The only reason Achilles even died in the first place is because Chiron got in a post duel cheap shot on his heel

>>160142097
People get mad at Kerry as a servant but I don't see any real problems with his design.

>>160142075
Because he's a weak ass servant and the masters can negate his commands with their own

>>160142229
Horsedick is the real unsung hero really

>>160142274
Chiron carried Black team hard, he was the only one with a brain and put in the most work

>>160142198
Gilles is a better author than Hackashide, confirmed.

>>160141996
Boudica, Blackbeard, Fat Ceasar, Ushiwakamaru, EMIYA Alter are as bad if not worse than Kerrytugu

>>160142097
Yeah. and that's why FGO is just shitty mobage and should never be taken seriously.

>>160141746
That's an odd Medea.

>>160142213
>Do you not see how having Achilles fight a Servant who can make stakes appear at any angle from the ground after Chiron spilled the beans about his true name could be a slight problem?
Did Chiron just aimed at Achille's heel this episode thus neutralizing him?

>>160142198
Gilles, Jeanne, and double Prelati reunion when?

>>160141693
Surprisingly yeah, he's a pretty okay character. Would have made a better MC, not that that's saying much.

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>>160141948

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>>160141948
dragon dick

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Germans should be proud to have such a decent knight as their national hero

>>160142170
Kerry showed up in the Fate Zero event and won't show up ever again. Zhuge and Ishtar are just fanservice and they can use the real character whenever they want, in fact the real Ishtar already showed up in SF.

>>160142343
But with those it's the design that's the problem and no the concept.
And Fat Caesar is fine

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No, seriously what does Astolfo even like from a fucking homonculus so much that she even goes against her own master's faction directive?

>>160142373
nah, he missed his heel, Achilles only gets hit in the heel in Volume 5,which weakens him. And the only reason he got hit is because it was a post duel cheap shot Chiron got in

>>160142413
I thought we were talking about designs, and no he isn't.

>>160142404
Hagen was the true MC of the Nibelung anyways.

>>160141773
This pisses me off way more than it should.

>>160142428
He has a literal skill saying that he's retarded

So wait, Vlad is superbuffed because Romania, and can shoot spikes out of nowhere everywhere, so why the fuck don't they just have him spike Achilles's heel?

>>160141693
But Caules is from 2012.

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Väinämöinen as servant when?

>>160142343

Fat Caesar is a great design what the fuck are you talking about.

This whole seig shit feels so shoehorned in.

>>160142373
No. Chiron tells the Black Team about Achilles and says "leave him to me". Achilles wants to fight the guy who hurt him, so Karna handles Vlad.

>>160142451
Fuck off Hagen.
Everyone remembers Siegfried while you're "that guy that killed the hero"

>>160142373
When he was sure who it was, yes, that's why Achilles ended up with some arrows in his legs but Chiron's main goal was to stop him from assisting Atalanta.

>>160142476
Well take a guess why Achilles isn't fighting him

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>>160142216
>And then Nazis happened.
Who did Darnic replace? Does the novel explain anything that happened during the third HF?

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>>160141671
>Mordred vs Jack is interrupted by Chiron
>Jack retreats because was losing to Mordred
>Fiore vs Kairi where they are both about even
>Kairi gets a surprise opening, but Caules saves his sister
>Kairi retreats because 2v1
>Mordred injures Chiron
>Chiron retreats

I do look forward to seeing Doctor Octopus Fiore.

>>160142451
>not Kriemhild and her murderboner

>>160142481
Never

>>160141526
Does Caules fug her sister?

What would Gilles-kun think if he saw this Jannu

>>160142216
Nazis happened after the war. Apoc Third War ended the same way as the mainline Third War, where the Lesser Grail was accidentally destroyed before the ritual was complete, thus ruining the wish granting mana.

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>>160142540

Fate needs more old men that make young girls kill themselves.

>>160142517
don't forget Chiron using Greek Fu on Mordred

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>>160142492
Sorry but I'm culturally hardcoded to accept no Caesar besides Uderzo's

>>160142410
>won't ever show up again
>fucking Prisma Illya as a Servant shows up in the last part of the MAIN STORY

Ishtar in SF posesses Filia, an original homunculus character. Not an old character for literally no reason besides fanservice, who also happens to have a major role in FGO's main story. And Zhuge doesn't even get any of his personality, it's just fucking Waver forcibly shoved into the story as a Servant when he has no place being one.

>>160142519
>>160142499
most of the side characters had more character than Siegfried. Fate got at least right that Siegfried was basically just helping everybody being heroic and shit but never had any plans on his own, not even with the gigantic treasure.

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>>160141746
Best girl

>>160142682
You can argue that Ishtar is literally just a slighly exagerated Rin in GO.

>>160142545
There's a semi-suggestive scene when she transfers her Magic Crest to him. Like the non-sex mana transfers.

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>>160142492
If this is good design for you then go ahead. And don't bother posting the other stages, it looks like shit. His belly is too fat and spherical and it ruins everything about it

>>160142086
>Vlad
Looks like a shitty metal vocalist, much better if they made him dark haired folk like Hellsing's Alucard.

>Semiramis
>Shakespeare
>Chiron
Somewhat okay.

>Atalanta
also looks like an MMO shit

>Jeanne
Just another shitty saberface with huge tits.

>Frank
Her design is shit, just a cute robot girl who wears wedding dress. Where are her sutures and scar? There is nothing "Frankenstein" about her.

I agree about the rest of your statement.

>>160142724
Yeah, which is even worse.

>>160142516
Darnic probably participated in the Third HF of the normal timeline, the main difference between both wars is the final outcome from having Ruler running around instead of Avenger fucking everything forever.

>>160142545
Caules fugs a qt twintail homunculus.

>>160142739
He just needs to hit the gym with Cleo

>>160142429
>And the only reason he got hit is because it was a post duel cheap shot Chiron got in
One of Chiron's lessons to the young Achilles was to never let your guard down until the enemy is dead even if he didn't have any visible weapons. It was a pretty good idea to have the master punish the student like that.

>>160142492
Literally shit taste. Awful concept and even worse art.

>>160142647
Also this.

>>160141827
Wut? Why?

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>>160142795
Shame her in game art is shit courtesy of Memeronpa. Her design and everything else is great.

>>160142795
No they need to make his belly more saggy and it would even out the design, we already know that fat Ceasar was a deliberate fuck up from Lev because he was scared the real Caesar would fuck him up like Altera eventually did so it's not a question of Why. It's just the design thats awful

As much as I hate Achilles design, he actually seems really rad

>>160142804
still I wonder how exactly the duel went down, Volume 5 translation never.

>>160142881
I liked Cleo's design.

I'm still mad that they turned King Arthur into a little girl. Gilgamesh also looks like a fuckboy you see in the streets. I was expecting a cool old man as Sasaki Kojirou, but we got a shitty one that isn't actually Kojirou, but some pretty boy faggot.

Why is Fateshit full of shitty designs?

>>160142888
He's pretty much Cu but with slightly better luck

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Astolfo is such a fucking bitch. He cries a lot and lets Sieg die while Siegfried who didn't even gave much of a shit about him rips his own heart to save him.

>>160142888
Achilles and Chiron are both fucking great, they deserved the color illustration they got in Volume 5

Can't wait for Digi's podcast

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>>160142888
What's so bad about it. He's one of the best to come out of Apocrypha.

>>160142771
Apoc timeline also has Darnic stumbling upon the Greater Grail's location during the war, allowing him to plan on stealing it with the Nazis. He probably didn't find it in the normal timeline.

>>160141212
Because Fate is the second best route.

>>160142994
not him, but i don't think its actively bad or anything, its just kinda meh, cool character though

>>160142986
Fuck off

>>160142428
Literally too strong in his legend so he has "Being retarded and forgetting the name of most of his NP" as a skill in his servant page. I wish I was joking.

>>160142881
>>160142940
>Draw ancient Egyptian woman
>Realize you're a talentless hack
>Put her in hot topic clothes
>Realize you also can't draw
Cleo was a mistake.

>>160142729
need details

>>160142994
His outfit looks bland, and his hair is just lame

>>160142428

Astolfo is a hero you idiot. He's helping a weak, innocent person escape a bad situation because it's the right thing to do.

It's sad that /a/ has to have this explained to them.

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>>160141693
Just thim, Caules are loser autistic and huge fanboys of generic beta megane-kun

They made Spartacus go down like a bitch in the anime, he was crushing golems and crawling towards Vlad until he got overwhelmed in the LN

>>160142901
>tfw people won't be able to complain about the Karna V Sieg fight being shit because they won't know if it's better in the LN

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>>160142951
>I was expecting a cool old man as Sasaki Kojirou, but we got a shitty one that isn't actually Kojirou, but some pretty boy faggot.
What? Why? Most times Sasaki Kojirou is depicted very similar to his Fate version, down to long hair or ponytail (well, aside from the whole "I didn't actually exist!" thing).

>>160142754
>Vlad
I think he looks rad as fuck, the only bad thing about him is his "spear"
>Jeanne
Saber herself isn't a bad design, the face is just overused because Takeuchi forgot how to draw other faces on female characters.
>Frank
Would you build a waifu with scars?
>Atalanta
I think she looks fine, but Im partial to kemonomimis so that influences my decision here.

>>160143101
>Astolfo is a hero you idiot. He's helping a weak, innocent person escape a bad situation because it's the right thing to do.
By making his allies kill themselves.

>>160142566
depends which gilies

>>160143142
from the details that have come out about it, its still kinda shit in the LN, but it'll probably be shittier in the anime

>>160142340
So this... is the power of waifufags...

>>160142951
>muh beard

>>160142986
Same. Even though they're huge secondaries, they really nail why all the new milking Fateshit fails on every level.

>>160143101
What about the dozens of other weak, innocent people that he's draining to death every time he does anything to help save Sieg?

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Achilles fighting Siegfried and Fran was pretty good.

>>160143225
>>>/r/eddit
Fuck off and never come back Digitard.

>>160143199
I hope they at least give us a little of Sieg getting the shit kicked out of him in close combat.

>>160143101
And then he completely ignores the other badly injured homunculi

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>>160143074
But she wears her old clothes in her other art. Also her trendy modern outfit works for her imo. Rui is a shit artist though. Just like Nightingale all her of her fan art is leagues better.

>>160143098
It's pretty much the PG-rated mana transfer scenes from Realta Nua or the Fate/UBW anime.

>>160143200
Apicrypha was a mistake.

>>160142516
Keep in mind the war probably went very different because Avenger didn't immediately job to Saber

>>160143253
it wasn't too bad, it was short as fuck though

gametards are shitting another Apo thread with their shit tier taste

>>160143335
How do you shit on something that's already shit in the first place?

>>160143253
Even the shittiest UBW fights were better than this.

>>160143253
>Fran jobs immediately

What a shitty Berserker.

>>160143371
Still got a better showing than poor Spartacus

>>160143371
To be fair it is fucking Achilles

>>160142428
Astolfo is a legit ultra nice guy to his friends in his legend, went to hell, heaven and the moon to find a way to give one of his friend his sanity back, dressed like a girl and went on a raping spree to lift up the spirits of another and so on. It's not that surprising.
But like other anons said it's retarded that he focuses that much on only one guy while you have people losing limbs and such around him and he doesn't seem to care.

>>160143386
Best boy

>>160143281
Sieg is the Homu Astolfo is directly responsible for. Tbh if Gordes hadn't stopped them, Sieg would've escaped and your war could've continued without obstruction.

>>160142986
Fuck off

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>>160143169
>Would you build a waifu with scars?
You can fucking draw a cute Frank girl with scars and sutures. Genderbend Frankenstein should somewhat look like this.
I can't really see the image of Frankenstein of Apocrypha's Frankenstein.

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>tfw have to wait years before Strange Fake adaptation and I can see animated Tine

>>160143386
Need his laugh on the loop

The fuck did they do to poor old Spartacus?

Also anyone wanna stat some of their country's heroes?

>>160143353
By inviting redditard, gametard, malfag and /vg/tard

>>160143253
Looks like shit to be honest. Post manga version

>>160143535
Don't forget that one retard who brings up the youtuber every thread

>>160143253
I love how they literally can't hurt each other with normal hits

>>160143169
Jeanne can be considered the original saberclone since everyone at the release of FSN thought that Saber was her because she's the obvious answer to historical famous woman knight. That's why her and regular Gilles are kinda twisted copies of Saber and Lancelot in Fate.

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best bros

>>160143535
But /vg/ is cool though.
They like Grand Order which is the best Type-Moon work with Nasu's best writing and best protagonist, way better than Apocrypha, they're definitely our bros.

>Spartacus died first like a bitch
Fucking tyrants and oppression being OP

>>160143609
>Jeanne can be considered the original saberclone since everyone at the release of FSN thought that Saber was her
I thought that myself until I went and spoiled myself to see if I was right

>>160143485
I don't disagree that you can draw cute girls with scars, but I think Frankensteins Design in Fate Apocrypha works fine and doesn't look too bad except for the horn

>>160143415

Astolfo is a Christian Paladin. Seig fought for his own life and freedom to the full extent of his ability until he literally collapsed because his body could go no further.

Help those who help themselves. When the other tube-people have the gumption to fight for their own lives, I'm sure Astolfo would help them too.

>>160143653
>They like Grand Order which is the best Type-Moon work with Nasu's best writing and best protagonist.

I'm not even sure if I should bitch about people saying that or at Nasu having wasted his "best writing" at such a piece of shit.

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>>160143500
She's porn material.

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>>160143677
>died

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>>160142428
Astolfo is literally best girlfriend material from franchise.

>>160143743
Fate/EMIYA never

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>>160143677
He'll be back. You saw him in the flash-forward in episode 1.

>>160143500
>On day 2 after 4 volumes
>Author is Narita
We'll be lucky if there'll be a volume where more servants die than will be introduced

>>160143743
I agree that you should bitch about both and was just baiting. It's also not his best writing.

>>160143779
>Gilgamesh was about to turn into a shota and fuck around before he heard Enkidus cry
Fucking Goldman