Nanoha Reflection spoilers

>>160134489
>Hikasa mentioned how Nanoha has been going on since before she became a VA and how her first audition was for Strikers.
Did she mention who she auditioned for?

>>160134489
>TE's into Nanoha
Now that's a name that I didn't expect to see here.

>>160134535
No.

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retarded blue fate clone

>New Nanoha movie is 90% fights
I'm okay with this I guess. I already expected the animation to be worse than the first two but as long as it's still decent then I can enjoy this.

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new girl 1

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new girl 2

>>160134617
All the robots were CG, but the character animation was pretty good.

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parents

>>160134659
So, she's the evil one after all?

>>160134843
She was the "surprise" bad guy in the movie, but given how they revealed the world destroying book's identity, neither will stay bad in the second movie.

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>Iris pretends to be an AI but is actually a human who stuck her consciousness in a computer. She has some history with Yuri. She says Yuri is a world-destroying monster who killed everyone dear to her and her goal is revenge. She wants Dearche and pals to kill Yuri But ALSO wants to take control of Yuri and force her to destroy the world which will supposedly make her very sad or something. (The movie ends before anything is really revealed)

>>160134607
>fang

>>160135022
How similar is it to GoD? Is it the same plot but with Iris added?

>>160135074
That's a big Strike Cannon

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>>160134631
>Yuri
>new

And desu, them losing to Yuri is kind of expected anyway.

>giant robots
>beam cannons

Literally fuck off Tsuzuki.

Are Amita and Kyrie still robots? Or are they saving that twist for the next movie?

>>160134659
>Iris Adult mode

>>160135946
What did you expect from a movie that was announced as two parts?

>>160136023
There's going to be some screenings in October in the US, so you can also wait until then.

>>160134684
>giving noncharacters the most generic parents

This is a waste

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>>160135074
>She wants Dearche and pals to kill Yuri But ALSO wants to take control of Yuri and force her to destroy the world which will supposedly make her very sad or something.

That's pretty fucked up heh

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>>160134489
>no mention of Yukarin appearing
>no Yukarin single

I'm worried now

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>>160134684
>they will never get a chance to shine

>>160136177
I imagine KR is still butthurt about her leaving and bans her from events and promoting a song with the movie.

>>160136074
Not even fanfics care about those two's parents.

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>>160136216
Well no shit. It's just worrisome to me that she has nothing else going on outside of acting her role.

>>160136217
They're only the second biggest assholes right after Avex so I see it happening. I kind of hoped she'd actually make a musical comeback after her little breakdown but perhaps she's tired of performing and shit.

>>160136292
She's singinmg a song I think.

One of the trailers had a song by her

>>160134607
>>160134489

They are piloting mechas now? What?

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>>160136319
The Nanoha experience feels incomplete without her single to accompany Nana's and her pandering during events.

>>160136329
Really? Maybe I missed that particular one.

>>160134553
She's into mecha girls like fuck, why would you think she ISN'T into Nanoha?

Do the devices get lines? Is Bardiche's actor still around? This is all that matters.

>>160136588
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdFL5JZCWG0

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I watched the movie too. My favourite fight was Kirie single-handedly defeating Nanoha, Fate and Hayate, stealing the book and shooting her Onee-chan, basically all by herself. She really is the best girl. My least favourite part was the shitty transformation sequences, complete letdown after how good the other movies' were.

>>160136610
senpai is looking good

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My wife Fuuka looks so cute as Nanoha

>>160136697
>Nanoha losing
I hate this.

>>160136697
So >>160135516

>>160136771
Donna Burke tweeted "Standby Ready"
I assume they talk.

>>160136687
They get a couple short lines I guess, nothing of importance.

>>160136786
Um I'm assuming that's from the PSP game? I'm pretty sure they cut it.

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>>160136610
>Levi
>got dumber over the years
>only got cuter

Fantastic.

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>>160136697
>My favourite fight was Kirie single-handedly defeating Nanoha, Fate and Hayate, stealing the book and shooting her Onee-chan, basically all by herself.


There has to be limits to this level of jobbing

>>160136847
Are the devices themselves still relevant or have they been completely undermined by Force bullshit weapons?

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>>160136717

>>160136933
Her cuteness is breathtaking

>>160134489
>Hayate VS Dearche (cut short, draw)
Damn. I want to see this and a concluded rematch.

>>160136915
Nope, Kirie was undefeated right up until getting betrayed by her AI friend and then she joins Nanoha's side. So she's never getting beaten up by Nanoha, which is obvious since she's clearly much stronger than them anyway, given how easily she defeated them.

>>160136913
They still use the devices. But Nanoha and Fate themselves weren't really that relevant, the central focus of the movie was easily on the new characters, they got the most screentime and all the plot and development, Nanoha and friends were just there to lose the book and then have a fight with Dearche's knights.

>>160137059
They don't even appear until like 2/3 of the way through.

Here's some non-spoilers that I've gleamed from discussion about it.

The movie is short, only about 80 mins compared to 2nd being 145. It's closer to getting half of a single movie this year and another half next year.

A number of people are complaining that, while there is a lot of action, most of it is CG, much more so than the trailers let on. Apparently it's such low quality that they're joking about it being reused from the PSP games. I think someone said the transformation sequences were CG too. So that's not a good sign. Some people are definitely saying that there's no fanservice whatsoever.

It ends on a cliffhanger before much of any plot at all is revealed. The movie is basically a bunch of fighting that won't be explained until the next movie.

I'm not seeing many comments painting it in a positive light. It's mostly disappointment and worrying over how Detonation could be good after this.

>>160137139
Are you sure you're looking at the right places? Wanting to see the Materials animated and face off against their original counterparts is something I know many fans have been dying to see happen. Myself included.

>>160137139
I kinda expected it to be whatever when I saw the art. Still excited to watch it when it comes out over here in a few months.

>>160137237
>And you seem to have cherry picked as many negative comments as possible here
I'm just reporting what I'm reading. I'll be sure to report back when I find something positive that people are consistently agreeing on.

>>160137130
>But Nanoha and Fate themselves weren't really that relevant, the central focus of the movie was easily on the new characters, they got the most screentime and all the plot and development
Literally Gears of Destiny

>>160137400
It really should be in singular, since Battle of Aces barely has any plot.

>>160136690
That's character song from Reflection drama CD.

>>160137139
Great. That pretty much confirms all of my worst fears. Who the fuck thought it was a good idea to adapt a shitty fighting game that was never popular to begin with? They've already wasted at least one year on this and will now be busy for at least one more just to finish it.

>>160137139
>The movie is short, only about 80 mins
It's 120.

>most of it is CG

It's not. Only the robots are CG and they get BTFO in seconds.

>transformation sequences were CG too

No they're not retard.

Fuck off and die.

>>160136687
RH talks a lot and still sounds like a dumbfuck white woman who gives zero shits about acting.

Bardiche only has the move names.

Levantine and however you spell Vita's hammer also announce move names.

>>160135516
I didn't play the games but they're shown as children as well.

It is mentioned that they're dozens of times stronger than the every Midchildrwhateverer by default.

>>160136177
Yukarin has an insert song for the beginning of the movie where they all visit a theme park.

Nana has a separate insert in addition to the main theme song/ED.

>>160137616
>but they're shown as children as well.
They aged in games too.

>>160137059
Yes, though it seems clear from the last bits that they're seconds away from joining up with Nanoha and friends to fight Yuri (Dearche seems to recognise her and sees her as a threat) so it's possible that there'll never be a proper Hayate VS Dearche fight.

>>160135139
That the game? Never touched them.

>>160135516
You see them grow up during the movie.

>>160136366
Enemies use science to turn construction machines into transformers.

>>160136756
She didn't really lose, and her new equipment at the end was awesome.

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Why are they so perfect?

>>160136913
The beam cannons all either do no damage, immediately run out of ammo, or get blown up within seconds.

One thing I really liked was seeing Suzuka and Arisa again, they're great. It's been ages, although apparently they briefly appeared in the StrikerS drama CD as adults too. Not that they were around for long, but it was still nice. I'm surprised they just opened the movie with Suzuka and Arisa knowing that Nanoha and Fate are magical girls who fight alien monsters in their spare time, given how they made special effort to hide it from them in the other movies and never showed them finding out.

Oh and Shamaru does her warp hand thing on a giant robot where she makes a giant magic hands and grabs and crushes the core. It's pretty cool.

Another robot is wrecked by Vita's drill rocket hammer.

>>160137778
Didn't they find out near the end of A's or was that TV only?

I was more surprised that Arisa and Suzuka's FUCKING PARENTS also know about all this shit.

>>160137807
To look cool? Nanoha's new floating shields also just float there and do absolutely nothing.

>>160137717
>You see them grow up during the movie.
We saw Subaru grow up during Strikers and she's a robot.
So beside that there's no mention of them being robot/android/non-human whatsoever?

>>160137846
They are probably saving it for the second movie.

>>160137837
I watched the A's movie yesterday, it definitely didn't happen there. But the flashbacks we saw during Reflection were of the movie animation, so it's definitely supposed to follow movie continuity, right? I guess they just find out off-screen.

Not sure what the point of Arisa and Suzuka's parents were, they just seemed to own massive construction companies purely so they could get phone calls about the machines getting stolen. Maybe they'll do more with it next movie.

>>160137846
They have "parents" and you see them as kids and adults. They both get shot through the stomach and bleed. That is what was presented in the movie.

>>160137924
The reveal to Arisa and Suzuka was shown during the end credits of the second movie.

>>160137846
>>160135516
Amita gets a med check by the bureau and they don't mention anything about her being a robot. It's thorough enough for them to comment on her being dozens of times physically stronger than a regular person.

They both bleed too, and are shown as children.

>>160137909
Stern is uglier than Fate but in personality you are correct.

>>160137983
She also ate a shit ton of food to recover. I don't know if robots eat.

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>>160137983
I think it's pretty obvious the movie isn't based on the PSP game at all and just steals the characters from it to make its own story.

>>160137139
>>160137622
Who's trolling and who isn't?

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>>160137983
Sufficiently advanced Eltrian magic.
It's really blurry so I might just be speculating, but scan in >>160134975 seems to mention that the Formula Mode armor thing involves a Nanomachines injection(?) from Amitie.

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>>160136717
Reflection is going to make StrikerS, Vivid, Vivid Strike non-canon any time no.

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>>160138264
Doubtful

>>160138193
They literally said that in the intro thing.

>>160138193
>movie isn't based on the PSP game at all and just steals the characters from it to make its own story.
Nah, from what I heard it is more or less GoD story with added Iris subplot.

>>160138259
So like the bullshit power up at the end of GoD before they fight Yuuri?

Anyway now we've seen Reflection we can make a full ranking of the whole Nanoha series.

A's > StrikerS > S1 > Vivid Strike > Reflection > Vivid

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>>160138287

>>160138264
>Reflection is going to make StrikerS, Vivid, Vivid Strike non-canon any time no.
>no.

>>160138366
S1=A's>Reflection>the rest

>>160138310
So Reflection is basically GoD with Iris but without Testarossa family arc?

>>160138366
I think VS might be better than S1 of Nanoha.

>>160138451
Season 1 was the best, you disgusting pleb.

>>160138441
The dark pieces summoning thing will probably not be there at all and that motif will be replaced by something including Iris.

>>160138512
let's not say things we can't take back.

>>160138441
Yes, pretty much.
This makes old charactees even more irrelevant too.

>>160138451
It's debatable, Vivid Strike was great of course but I really liked the cute traditional mahou shoujo into genre shift that S1 went for, it felt a lot more original. And S1 got a really great movie too. I'd say VS's episode 4 was better than anything in S1, but as an overall story it wasn't as consistent or as unique.

>>160138315
Maybe, maybe not. If it's forever ago, but if I recall correctly, in GoD it's mostly that the line up that has to fight final form Yuri needed some sort of special countermeasure program installed. Of course, then there's like Tohma, Vivi and Einhart I think who just gets by.

>>160138520
Not that big of a change plotwise.
It was more like an excuse for X character fighting Y character.

>>160138525
No, he's right. It's the most magical girl and thus the best out of everything Nanoha-related.

>>160138622
episode 10 and 11 are also pretty good and I think VS ends strong.

>>160138525
>Anything being better than season one except maybe A's
The only way to think this is if you only watch for fanservice, in which case your opinion is worthless.

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>>160138512
>>160138525
I like all three seasons, As was most thrilling, S1 was most interesting and engaging because of Fate (her plot is better than Hayate's).
StirkerS was biggest, most advanced/elaborate and the final was great so I don't want to put it below the others either.

They are top as a whole, for me.

>>160138366
S1 is better than StrikerS, and the 1st movie is better than both.

>>160138451
Not even near.

>>160138215
No one is trolling. It's just bitchfag throwing a tantrum over how no one is praising a movie he's never seen as the greatest thing ever made.

>>160138674
Being the most cliche season doesn't make S1 Nanoha the best.

>>160138677
I liked VS's ending too but let's not forget how amazing S1's ending was. They devoted basically the entire last episode to Fate and Nanoha becoming friends and Fate embracing her new life filled with people who love and care for her, it was great.

>>160138716
A's had some better action and the plot twist with the twins was fantastic, but season 1 had better characterization and atmosphere, as well as some brilliant scene composition. I prefer 1, but I can see why someone would like A's. Anyone picking anything other than the first two seasons is just retarded.

>>160138696
This guy gets it.

>>160138771
I should probably go rewatch it some time. I hardly remember it.

>>160138760
Oh so you're the troll. Carry on.

>>160138797
Some people just like action.

>>160138797
Don't get me wrong, I love how S1 actually builds the characters and the setting surrounding Nanoha before going into Fate stuff, but the pacing is a bit off in it and the movie does a better job with Fate than the TV series. On top of much better animation of course.

>>160138845
I like you.

>>160138906
>Movie version did characterization better
No.

>>160138926
>>160138928
It showed more of Fate past and explained her motivations more efficiently.

Anyway Reflection wasn't bad. People who like Nanoha or Fate probably won't like it since they get no yuri scenes or fanservice and get defeated really easily by Kirie, and people who like the Materials probably won't like it because they barely appear and do nothing but lose 1 fight, but I'm sure you guys have good taste and appreciate best girl Kirie and how she steals the show and the screentime.

>>160138979
You just didn't listen to the sound stages.

>>160139007
>they get no yuri scenes or fanservice
wtf I like Reflection now
>I'm sure you guys have good taste and appreciate best girl Kirie and how she steals the show and the screentime.
I am more of K.K.G. fan, but imouto is fine too.

>>160139035
I did, but those I thought we were talking about the TV series and the movie, not the complementary material.

>>160139103
How was it unnecessary? It helps understand the characters.

>>160139063
>Even if they job, as long as they look cool as fuck while doing it and get an awesome comeback then that's fine. Gotta build up the villains so it's more hype when they are knocked down.

I'm reminded of how Movie 2 failed there, sigh.

>>160139063
>as long as they look cool as fuck while doing it and get an awesome comeback then that's fine
Well maybe you'll like Detonation when it comes out, but you're not going to enjoy Reflection.

>>160139142
Soundstage is numbered as an in-between episode, so it belongs there too. At least when you want to make that as a plus point for movie, because the movie just takes it from the sound stage.

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>>160136717
Cute

>>160139154
Yeah, it sounds like Reflection is all about jobbing and nothing else. Very disappointing.

>>160138979
That's just wrong.

>>160139007
It wasn't bad, it just wasn't as good as seasons one and two.

>>160139288
Or as good as StrikerS or Vivid Strike. In fact when you put it that way it was pretty disappointing, the only thing it beat was Vivid which isn't saying much.

>>160139405
hi bitchfag. Projecting much?

>>160134553
Who is TE again?

>>160139451
It's funny how he's managed to go from insisting that Reflection would be the best thing ever to accepting that it sucked but is now insisting that Detonation will be the best thing ever. That's an impressive level of delusion but hardly surprising given how he's behaved so far.

>>160139288
>it just wasn't as good as seasons one and two
That's every animated entry on the franchise since those two.

So is it worth reading Vivid or not? I stopped after watching StrikerS TV.

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>>160139822
If you want a bit of fanservice and watch Vivio and co do shit go ahead.

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>>160134607
You mean Fate done right. My wife Levi is the best character of this franchise.

>>160139822
Depends on your tastes. If you are okay with cute girls doing cute things while getting magical martial arts powers and sport-fighting mixed with belkan history influences and flashback, it is worth it.

If you are an autist like that guy here and having something slightly different from what was in the previous seasons makes you foam around the mouth, then you'll have to skip it.

It doesn't have that many chapters (no Bleach), so it is not much waste of time to check 1-10 chapters and see.

>>160139959
I think ron was trying to do it that as a project. Not sure if he's still going through with it though.

>>160139921
>done right
What a pleb. You listen to remixes of songs on youtube, am I right. The "this is even better" comment writer.

>>160139995
If its not that long then I'll read Vivid, I guess. I heard that Force and the others were terrible so I'll skip them. Most compilation movies are pretty bad compared to the TV series so I'm on the fence about those.

>>160139351
I had higher hopes.

>>160139377
Nah, it's a little better than Strikers.

>>160139673
Yes, we're hoping to fix that.

>>160140029
He posted a screenshot of a patched GoD, but I think he later said he dropped it since he'd never have a chance to release it while every thread was getting spammed to death. I can't remember exactly and can't find the posts.

>>160139848
It is not like there isn't good stuff here and there. There is Innocent, some drama CDs, the PSP games, and some other things I'm probably missing.

>>160139673
S1 and A's aren't that good either

>>160141034
No, this is bait: >>160139673

>>160139690
>literally nobody in this thread

Yet you had the audacity to post >>160139405
?

>>160141228
You complained about something that no one ever said yet got defensive when someone did the same to you. The shitposter here is you. No one likes you ruining Nanoha threads. No one wants to hear your opinions. Fuck off

>>160141390
You're not talking about the movie

And I don't want your (You)s, fuck off

>Nanoha and Hate are literally secondary characters in new "Nanoha" movie
You can't make this shit up!

>>160134489
All I want to know is if the transformation sequences were nice and if there is Fate butt.

>>160142918
>People dislike sequels for taking the focus off Nanoha via timeskips
>Make movie right after A's
>Nanoha is hardly in it
I honestly can't remember more than 8 lines she said in the movie.

>>160143165
>People dislike sequels for taking the focus off Nanoha via timeskips
>StrikerS probably has the most focus on Nanoha than S1 and A's combined

>>160143116
Actually, no. They were pretty disappointing for the main pair. The worst part was the weapons didn't do those cool /m/ assemblies, and Nanoha's gloves didn't screw and assemble on like machines, they just popped on.

>>160143116
No and no.

>>160143324
That's disappointing. Has Tsuzuki finally lost it?

>>160143396
So then what's the difference between Nanoha and things like Sailor Moon or Precure? /m/ as a big part of the appeal

>>160143346
The story is incredibly basic and formulaic, and even another movie at this rate won't be a lot of story. They forgot character development and foreshadowing to focus on fights, and the fights were good, but not amazing, and there was a bunch of CGshit. If you're going to focus on fights, do then right. The movie was okay, but not much more.

>>160143396
It's almost like you didn't watch the first two movies.

>>160143457
I honestly didn't expect it to top the first two seasons, but I at least wanted amazing fights scenes. We just got good fight scenes, with a few really good moments.

>>160143683
>good fight scenes
>CGshit
Not even close.

>>160143346
>S1 and A's
>giving Nanoha much character besides "MUST SAVE GIRL OF THE WEEK SMILE"
Being an instructor and mom was the best things that happened to her. Sadly it also led her in the fanservice role afterwards.
>>160143396
It's not really either, but it is definitly /m/.
>>160143457
>So then what's the difference between Nanoha and things like Sailor Moon or Precure?
One is shounen, other two is shoujo.

>>160143683
I'm starting to get scared. I'm still going to see it when it comes here in Oct. and am hyped for more new Nanoha anything, but at this rate, I don't really see much of a future for the franchise. I really want to be wrong

>>160143849
>shonen
>anime made for grown up otaku men is shonen

>>160143827
The human versus human stuff was good. The transforming science guns were nice, as were the giant extending swords. The CGshit was shit, and that's most of what held it back.

>>160143872
Just don't get your hopes up. It's a decent watch, but it won't blow you away like the first two seasons.

>>160144118
Retard, I'm comparing the transformations this time to the ones that were literally in the first two movies. How is that an unrealistic explanation?

>>160144246
It's not just her, the story was extremely lite, and was the most watered down version of "nice girl does bad things because she wants to help loved ones" yet.

>>160144118
But the stuff just popping into place instead of the elaborate mechanical transformations (and the delicious device transforms as well) is not "Nanoha". The /m/ henshins are part of what distinguishes Nanoha from other MG shows, and gives it its own flavor.

>>160144500
How could you possibly forget the revolver inside of Bardiche and Nanoha's gloves? They were fucking amazing.

>>160144500
Even StrikerS had a bit of it. Subaru was GAOGAIGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR

>>160144679
Are you retarded? They literally started the movie by showing the little girls with their family so we know they're not doing anything really bad, and the characters even said "Dude, just come talk to us." Then the "twist" villains also got introduced I'm a way that made it clear where they're going with them. The problem wasn't that they didn't make the villains sympathetic, it's that they made them formulaic and boring, and that the movie hardly had any characterization at all. It's just 2 hours of super powered girls throwing hissy fits for reasons we already know, and then Nanoha and friends saying "Whatever, we'll just beat you up till you listen."

>>160140076
>I heard that Force and the others were terrible
Most people hate Force, but is also has just 30 chapters out, so it is not much waste of time to check it out. It is closer to StrikerS than the rest and it wasn't that bad, so if you are interested what was happening to the people afterwards, it's not *dangerous* to check it. I just wanted to watch/read everything.

>Innocent is a bit pointless and an alternate universe for promoting their mobile game, but it can be cute, and basically - when a Nanohafag is bored, why not check it.

>Most compilation movies are pretty bad compared to the TV series
Watch them for the animation and cute art, basically. No damage done in that.

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>>160136717
Sweet, this looks like another cosplaying comic. I'd forgotten about how they included one with 2nd.

>>160143939
>anime made for manchildren is shonen
Pretty much.
>>160144246
>assuming I didn't watch the TV shows, read supplementary manga and listened to all Sound Stages
Nanoha was the more all less the blank state at the start of S1 without any goals and ambitions with being kind her only trait. During the course of S1 she shown that she also tries very hard and wants to help others. At the end she is just generic MC level.
A's doesn't give her any development or anything. She is just there to be cool.
StrikerS makes her interact with people that she teaches by showing the example and confronting their (mainly Teana's) views. With Vivio she is challenged by trying being her mother. Later on that makes the conflict with Scaglietti personal for her.

>>160140076
Force was bad, but not that bad not to check.
Antagonists and the edge is the worst part.

>>160145137
I always think there are two Fates until I realise that Einhart is actually Reinforce. You completely expect her to be Feito.

Does that mean EinhartXMiura?

And then you realize there are two in fact, Lutecia!

>>160136717
>>160145137
If Fuuka is the new Nanoha, what has Vivio been demoted to?

>>160145495
Like the new movie?

>>160145598
>as the franchise is being quite literally pulled up from the brink by our new Kings.

So you are fine with the Materials taking over Nanoha and co?

>>160145495
So, instead of epic memeing, why don't you tell me how much character development Nanoha got in S1 and A's?
If anything, she wasn't much more than a plot device in foreground in the first place. S1 was all about Fate and A's was all about Hayate and Wolkenritter. It was never about Nanoha.

>>160145598
If you are going to banevade, Bitch-kun, at least quite with your annoying autistic whining.

>as the franchise is being quite literally pulled up from the brink by our new Kings.
If you learned to post less often, the shitposts would actually be quite funny.

>>160146233
>But you said there wasn't any character development in it?
That wasn't me

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>>160146013
Banevade?

>>160146233
I don't feel like rewatching them yet, but there wasn't really anything of note.

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As usual, the first 100 or so posts are great and then it goes to shit with this my opinion > yours bitching.

In any case, thanks for the spoiler, OP. Real clutch of you to make a thread for it.

>>160146812
If one movie can't stand on its own, even as a two parter, then it's not good. End of.

>>160146867
The pics at start of thread show it.

>>160146931
>Reflection is not one movie
>the other movie is named Detonation
>not one movie
>with different names

>>160146812
>I don't have arguments so I'll just ignore you
Whatever turns you on.

>>160146987
>>160147021
You're both retarded, shut up.

>>160147021
Telling me to fuck off for a hour isn't an argument.
If there were something cruical in the first 3-4 episodes of S1 that I'm missing or misremembering you can always put in the words.

>>160147064
It doesn't matter. That's no excuse to have one movie be all introduction and leave all the actual story for the second part. Pacing is important. If you're going to divide a story into such a shitty way, it's better to just make one movie or release both at the same time.

>>160147252
The split is due to the story, and if the spoilers are correct, then the split was a mistake. But I see you don't actually care about the Nanoha franchise because if you did, you'd be mad at how the movie went (again, assuming the spoilers are true)

>>160147202
>Telling you educate yourself isn't telling you to fuck off.
I follow this franchise for more than 10 years.
>spoonfeed
If you don't have anything to say about Nanoha's character then stop using buzzwords while pretending that you have a higher standing and just admit it.

If the magic bullet system in A's was so good why was it discontinued?

>>160147506
>This still has nothing to do with criticising the story. If you don't like the way the movies were split then fine, I don't give a damn. But you were arguing that the story is bad even though you only saw half of it and you know it. Or did you realize how stupid you sound saying this and are trying to change the topic to not look like a dumbass?
No, if the spoilers are true, the movie is going to be just ok. There's no reason to sideline Nanoha and co. The complaint about StrikerS and later material is that Nanoha is sidelined and all the characer bloat. So then what's the excuse for sidelining her in her own movie, before character bloat?

>All accounts point at the movie not being irredeemably bad like so much of the drivel after A's.
The only thing that is irredeemably bad is Force (hence, cancellation/hiatus). Everything else has been ok to good enough.

>>160147756
>That's still better than "fucking shit" so cool?
Being better than Force is not an accomplishment. And for all the expectations and time passed since Movie 2nd, I expect something better than "ok". It should've been "amazing", but it's not.
>And where did you see Detonation? You seem to be so sure of what you're saying, surely you must have watched it already, right? You wouldn't be trying to argue something that we would only know if we knew the entire story before we actually did, right?
Irrelevant. Detonation could be the most amazing thing in the franchise but that won't change the fact that Reflection is mediocre or deny Reflection's flaws (assuming spoilers are correct)

>"But I see you don't actually care about the Nanoha franchise"
You don't. The creator decided that StrikerS, Vivid, etc. are valid and full members of the franchise. If you have a problem with them, take it up with Tsuzuki

That's disappointing. I was hoping that Reflection would be on level with the previous Nanoha movies. Maybe Detonation will be better.

>>160148043
>Then it's good that it's better than not just Force, but almost the entirety of the franchise. Which doesn't say good things about Reflection, just bad things about everything else.
It's better than S1 and A's? Wow

>That's not my problem, I don't know why you're bringing this up.
So you're fine with a mediocre movie despite railing on most of the franchise for being mediocre.

>You're not subtle at all with your changes of topic, are you? Now you're not even talking about the story at all. I guess you really did realize you were being a retard, talking about half a story like it was a full story.
No one's changing topic. You're moving the goalposts. Being a "half story" is no excuse to make a bland movie. A story in two parts does not necessitate it sidelining the franchise stars for new characters, nor changing the henshins, nor gutting the character interactions for more subpar fights.

>Did you get hit on the head or something?
Oh and by the way, this logic makes Reflection as good as everything else. So much for the rest of your post.
Again, you don't actually care about the Nanoha franchise. You'd be better off fucking off to another franchise more to your liking, not actively ruining one beloved by many people.
Also you're claiming this movie is good simply because it has Nanoha in the title, and so far spoilers contradict that. Care to say something on that?

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Why is he arguing with himself again
Like why

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At least change your formatting between posts shit eater

>>160148471
I don't think he is. It's someone who thinks he can reason with a total nutcase. Either ignore or report him for ban evading.

>>160148471
I'm not him, he just pisses me off

>>160148501
>If you knew how to read, you'd have noticed an "almost" in that sentence. No, Reflection is not better than S1 or A's. It is better than mostly (<- I said mostly, that means "not all") everything else.
I know how to read. And at the rate the spoilers indicate, it won't be better than StrikerS or Vivid or VS, or the movies.

>We won't know that until it's out. A show, or a movie in this instance, not being as good as S1 or A's doesn't make it bad, it only makes it not as good.
A movie being not as good as StrikerS or Vivid or VS doesn't make it bad either. But it's not about direct comparisons to other parts of the franchise. The movie was supposed to go back to the "roots", hence being in movie continuity where they can do more. And after having over 3 years, this is the best they can do? I'd rather they waited another 3 years so they can give us the best possible movie they could, not rush something out to placate fans.

>Ya, you are. This conversation started because, according to you, the story is bad, even though you have not experienced all of it and are judging a whole book by its first half.
And you said the movie was good by the same token. Either way, this argument is predicated on what we know from spoilers, and my opinion can be revised with any new information, and I can make my own opinion once I see it in oct.

>Yeah thanks you already made that clear.
It bears repeating

>I don't know if I look like a japanese suit to you, but I'm not. I wasn't the one who greenlit all stuff from 2007-2016. Those years would look hella different if I was in charge.
You're ruining the fanbase. No one wants you here with your garbage opinions.

>And you're claiming shit like StrikerS is good simply because it has Nanoha in the title. Don't say retarded things if you don't want people pointing out how retarded you sound.
Both sales and actual good opinions from the fans show it. YOU may not like StrikerS or post StrikerS work, but many do. And people have different opinions of the different parts of the franchise, but only one (Force) is universally despised, which shows which part is actually bad.

>>160148683
A vain hope that I can get him to fuck off forever from these threads

>zero focus on Fate and shitty yurishit
I'm in!

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>>160148815
Hello there Animesuki reject.

>>160148887
>>>/u/

Go back to your containment board.

>>160134975
This really looks badass.

>>160149140
>Yet you missed the big obvious "almost" in that sentence back there.
No, that was intentional on my part because you don't atually like the franchise
But I'll bite- what makes S1 and A's so much better than every other part of the franchise that you'd go out of your way to shitpost in every Nanoha thread?
>And you keep bringing up the spoilers, though none of them say that the movie is a fucking joke that shouldn't exist. Hence, it most likely /is/ better than those shows you mention there.
>movie is a fucking joke that shouldn't exist.
I never said that either. Stop strawmanning

>Neat, so that means you think the movie is great. Glad we sorted that out
Is that you admitting StrikerS and Vivid and VS being on par with S1 and A's?

>And it did. It brought Nanoha to what she was back during S1 and A's. You can argue that it didn't excel at it, but you can't argue that it didn't do what it set out to do.
Nanoha was relevant in all 3 seasons. If spoilers are correct, she's not really relevant in this movie. And the transformations are no longer /m/. That's going back to the franchise roots for you?

>What the fuck are you talking about? All I said in this story argument is that you should wait until we know the full story.
Irrelevant. This "full story" meme has to die. A good movie, even if in two parts, is still able to stand alone without having to depend on the other movie to make it work. Kizu was 3 movies but they split the story in a way that makes sense to have a logical beginning and end for a standalone movie. You're not left wondering for the second and third parts to make sense of what happened in the first.

>Since when is liking S1 and A's and wishing Nanoha would go back to that style, a "garbage opinion"?
You don't wish to go back to that style if you like this movie
Your shitposting on anything not S1 or A's is garbage

>oh no, it's retarded.png
Knew you'd say that, which is why I included fan opinion as well, and it counts more than yours

>>160149204
It's coming stateside in Oct, nigga

>>160149517
I know that feel but at least we don't have to wait for BD's. Luckily I live in NYC so a screening is guaranteed

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Someone said that there was an awkward moment of sexual tension between Hayate and Fate in the movie. Can anyone confirm or elaborate?

>>160149615
Majorly tempted. I don't want to get thrown out but if I can manage it I'll try on my phone

>>160148950
Nanoha fans usually have threads in /a/ and /m/ as well, it's normal to have a active threads when Reflection just came out.

>>160134489
>Mizuki Nana once showed up with a transparent skirt and flesh-coloured inner which "looked erotic".
wat

>>160150254
>"I was just p-pretending to be retarded!"
No, I'm exposing your flawed arguments
>Excellent directing, excellent characterization, great action, it remained a mahou shoujo instead of trying to be a sci-fi epic or tournament arc: the manga and this increased focus resulted in much better products that defined what Nanoha is.
lol wat
Nanoha is good but it doesn't have "excellect directing" or "excellent characterization". It's a very good product but it's not on the tier of excellent. It was more than just mahou shoujo, and again, removing the /m/ elements from the transformations is regressing. And the "sci-fi epic" stuff was in S1, what do you think the TSAB was? Nanoha has been moving into sci-fi territory even in A's. You just don't like where the franchise went because Tsuzuki has a different idea than you on where he wants his story to go.
>It's almost like I didn't claim you did. Are you pretending to be retarded again, anon?
But you brought it up even though I didn't say it, so you're clearly implying that I did in some form.

>No, it's me claiming those shows are worse by turning your claim on its head.
By that token, S1 and A's are also worse since the movie to you is the best or something.

>Nanoha isn't Subaru. She isn't "relevant" just because she appears every now and then to wave at the camera and then look sad that one time.
Nanoha saved the day in the end. And how can you talk about relevance when the new movie sidelines Nanoha and the rest for the new characters?

>They weren't overly /m/ in S1 or A's either. Sucks that they didn't stick to this progression from the previous movies but it's meaningless thing to use as an argument
It was a thing they were trending toward. Even the movies had it. There's literally no reason to backtrack on it now, you hack.
>part of what makes Nanoha, Nanoha is meaningless
ok

>Much more than whatever StrikerS was.
At this point, StrikerS is more Nanoha than the movies. At least Nanoha didn't job.

>You're a fucking retard. Watching the first three episodes of A's doesn't quality you to talk about its story, precisely because you don't know it since you only watched the first three episodes. It's the same principle applied here. Just because some other movie series did the splits in a way that gives you a stiffy doesn't mean they were going for that here.
You're an idiot for comparing a movie to a TV series. TV episodes are part of an overall narrative, they're not meant to be standalone unless they're episodic. Movies are different. Also way to gloss over how to split a story into separate movies effectively.


>I do, and I do. Just because it makes you buttmad doesn't mean this isn't what Nanoha's core looks like
So you like Nanoha being a side character in her own movie? Interesting. Where I come from, a Nanoha movie actually features Nanoha.

>oh no, it's retarded.png
Popularity matters more than one faggot's opinion. After all, more Nanoha is made to please the fanbase, not one retarded faggot shitposting on /a/

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>>160149626
I'm not sure exactly which part you may be talking about but can imagine how people might develop that impression based given how little Nanoha was in the movie.

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>>160151100
NanoFate's love transcends timelines, I doubt >>160149626 is really anything.

>>160151528
>By misrepresenting what I'm saying and then acting like that was your master plan all along?
By exposing you using your shit opinions to shitpost nanoha threads
>I disagree.
Not an argument
>I already addressed this.
Weak argument
>Yeah and it was working in tandem with the show's mahou shoujo element rather than replacing it.
It was never replaced
>Yes, and A's didn't outright replace the mahou shoujo with boring /m/ shit, it added more of both to create a unique blend not seen since then besides Vividred and Symphogear.
Neither did StrikerS, and even if it did, that's not a bad thing. Franchises evolved, get over it. If it was up to you, Nanoha would always be like the first half of S1, just another MG show with nothing unique.
>If his idea of where to take the franchise is shit and should be removed, then I'll call it shit and support anything that enhances my ignoring of it. I don't care what he wants if what he wants is harmful.
Yet you blindly praise the movie that sidelined Nanoha in her own comeback film
>You really love seeing things that aren't there, do you.
You fail to understand what your words imply.

>No.
Not an argument

>Oh joy. And if that was Suzuka's dad instead, would you say he was relevant at all?
Irrelevant. I'd rather see Nanoha save the day at the end than be sidelined in her own movie, per the spoilers.

>And how can you talk about something we don't know? The story isn't done.
Irrelevant. The damage is done. What the second movie does won't affect what the first one already did to the characters.

>Meaningless.
>a big part of the franchise is meaningless
You don't care about Nanoha.

>So Nanoha is nothing to you but /m/ transformation sequences?
It's a part of it. What is Nanoha to you? Nothing but loli? Nothing but fights? Nothing but yuri?

>Not even close.
Almost everyone disagrees. Especially if the spoilers on this movie are correct.

>Nanoha got her shit pushed in by Vita early in A's. Shows how much you actually know, true fan.
She didn't get her shit pushed in. She had the upper hand until she pissed Vita off, and even then, she still broke the barrier later on despite getting her linker core sucked of mana by Shamal. Characters are allowed to lose, but making them job and sidelining them is not a good look, especially for a movie that was highly anticipated.

>And what do you know, the narrative of Reflection spans two movies. Woooow.
Again, irrelevant. Movie one has to set up movie 2 but also has to work well enough on its own.

>No, unlike you who likes Nanoha being a permanent background prop.
But that's what she is in the new movie

>oh no, it's retarded.png
You're retarded.

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>>160152093
>>160152142
Just fuck already, you two.

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Jesus Christ you guys

>>160152279
NIgga you quoted both of my posts (I have to split them into two because of all the words)

Also I want to get rid of that retard once and for all so we can have nice Nanoha threads

>>160152338
help me, I'm too autistic to stop, I just want bitchfag to leave

>>160152369
>I want to get rid of that retard once and for all
The only way to actually accomplish that would be some sort of orbital strike

Huh, looks like his posts have been deleted.

Anyway, has there been any more spoilers? And positive news?

>>160152423
If only I was rich. Or Nanoha.

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Thank you mods. I'm especially sorry that this movie is causing problems for you since it's apparently not very good.

>>160152479
Everyone wishes they were Nanoha

>>160152510
Not wanting to be Fate so Nanoha can dominate you

Fate and Nanoha held hands at least once in it. That's all I need.

When did you ever get into Symphogear, TE.
I remember you used to drop in our threads at /m/ whenever we were discussing WA.

Maybe Detonation will be better. A man can hope. I hope that they announce locations for the US screenings soon as well.

>>160143165
Did Yuuno and Arf at least get some lines? Kaori and Natsuko are the only two VAs who have been in every other installment.

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>>160157143
>She only got to sing a soundstage character song as Yuuno

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Wow that was something. Even despite those weird MekiMeki personalities.

From >>>/u/2386075

>>160158123
Wait, when was that? That sounds so awkward that now I'm curious what it was like.

>>160154993
Well this movie sounds better but I'm worried Detonation will also be all fighting and stuff. Part of what made the rest of Nanoha good was the downtime that the movies drastically reduced.

>>160159926
Sound stage 3, season 1. "Kimi no Sora Ni"

If this is adult Vivio's voice, I have no objections.

Did Fate's green-haired stepmum appear in StrikerS? I thought she was actually going to die when she got shot, but I guess they're not going to kill anyone off.

>>160162030
She's alive and well, dunno if she had appearances anymore. At best a small came over phone or stuff like that.

>>160149626
There was no yuribait of any kind in the movie. The closest they came was girls who can fly carrying girls who can't fly in order to move them.

>>160162447
Not sure why they put in heartbreaking scenes of her jumping in front of a bullet and then lying on the ground bleeding profusely if she's just going to be fine in a few seconds anyway. Seems like it loses all the impact.

>>160150210
She thought it looked like a barrier jacket.

>>160152439
Spoilers on what? There isn't much plot and it's mostly fighting.

>>160152601
It really wasn't that good. It was mostly fighting and the fighting wasn't even as good as previous movies.

>>160157143
Yuuno shows up like halfway through and gets two lines and does one thing in a fight (protect the amusement park so Nanoha can fight unrestrained). Arf tries to do a thing, but accomplishes no things.

>>160162564
Yes, that guy was talking about how she got "fatally wounded" in the movie, not got healed by Fate and then Fate called her mom.

>>160162864
Because I fucking watched it. There was less yuribait than there was /m/.

>>160163233
>If you're not desperately searching for yuri in the movie because that's your favorite part of the series then you're not a fan of the series
You can't actually be that stupid.

>>160163513
>Anyone who isn't a yurifag who watches the series for yuri hates it
I also said there was little to no /m/ transformation scenes, does that mean I hate the /m/ as well? Why are you so stupid?

>>160163319
Yuri is actually my favourite part of the series too, which is why the movie was so disappointing. Surely they know people watch Nanoha for more than just long fight scenes, right?

>>160162864
You do realize holding hands doesn't automatically mean it's going to be yuri everywhere?

>>160163896
I liked the directing and resolute main character, as well as the designs and the fight scenes. I couldn't care less about yuri, and I was disappointed with the movie.

>>160163938
>If you don't love yuri then you're a newfag
You're the reason people hate yurifags.

>>160164090
>Greentext paraphrasing is new
Oh I get it, you're crossboarder from /u/ pretending to be an oldfag on /a/. That makes sense. I know you're angry you can't watch the movie, and you want it to be full of yuri, but it's not.

>>160164281
>Caps for emphasis
>Claims someone else is a newfag
Why does the absolute worst trash from /u/ leak in here?

>>160164163
The fight scenes are cool but they're really not spectacular enough to make it worth watching the series just for them. If you don't like the implications of the word yuri you can call it friendship, but Nanoha befriending people and teaching them the importance of having people who care about you is really the main reason to watch the series.

>>160164540
Yurifags, everyone

>>160164593
Is this the new bitchfag? Are we going to have another autist ruin Nanoha threads?

>>160164640
I'm not even the same guy but if all yurifags act like you, no wonder /a/ hates them.

>>160164593
>Caps for emphasis is normal here
>(Autistic screeching)
Ok

>>160164629
>new
>another

>>160164281
>t/u/mblr idiot calling namefag who has been translating shit on /m/ and other boards for years a newfag
You people are frankly embarrassing.

>>160164682
Don't bother, he seems as crazy as Crack-kun.

>>160164709
Holy shit, you are crackkun.

>>160164629
No, this is still the old bitchfag. He's just actually trying to engage in discussion for once but is no less insane than always.

>>160164786
Yup. That's crackkun.

>>160164709
I didn't need to quote you so I didn't use greentext. Also I'm not that guy, and I dont know where you got that he was an antiyurifag.

>>160164710
bitchfag, the other autist and now this yurifag

>>160164748
Seems like it

>>160164759
Fuck. I thought he'd give up after being banned today

>>160164786
Actually I don't have a problem with yurifags and it seemed like /a/ was just exaggerating. But now I see they were right and I was mistaken

>>160164844
Fuck.

What the fuck does any of this have to do with Nanoha

>>160164964
Well, when this one autist won't let other people just talk about the franchise in peace and decides to dominate the discourse by spamming pics or being a faggot or whatever method he uses, the end result is that he kills Nanoha threads

BD release when?

>>160165163
Awesome! Can't wait

>50 unique posters
Really make me think

>>160165381
Most of /a/ is too young to even know what Nanoha is

>>160165381
+1, I just don't have anything to contribute to the thread.

>>160165381
Like 4 of us have actually seen it, and there isn't much to talk about except "There goes crackkun again".

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Does Hayate job?

>>160165750
Kind of but not really, like most of them.

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>not even 30 pieces of fanart of any quality level in the last 24 hours
Dead franchise.

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@160166064
Wrong, faggot. You don't get a (you)

>90 replies to dead posts

Holy shit.

>>160166125
How many people did even go to watch it

>>160166064
キターーー！！！

>>160166125
Fate and Hayate are holding hands. Crack shit.

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>>160166125
They like drawing Fuuka and co now

>>160166296
Of the three movies I saw yesterday, it was the most crowded by far, and then character goods line was crazy long.

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>>160166296
Hell if I know. It doesn't matter if the theaters are packed if none of them are going home and drawing fanart.

I like this person. They have their priorities straight.

>>160166425
Then it's not dead.

>>160166457
I really like that Hayate at the bottom.

>>160166710
It was still opening day, give it a week to see how it is.

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What do you think about Nanoha x Raising Heart?

You know, repeating the same post over and over is a sign of autism.

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>>160167286
Sometimes I toy with the idea of completely destroying Raising Heart's existing personality just so I can ship them together.

But eternal partners is okay too.

>>160167286
Best couple. Yuri shipping a shit.

>>160167286
Everyone knows Raising Heart's OTP is Bardiche.

>>160167461
I don't think it destroys RH's personality to stick her in a dildo for a bit.

>>160167546
Bardiche may never leave Fate, I need to hear him say「Yes Sir.」

>>160167620
>I don't think it destroys RH's personality to stick her in a dildo for a bit.
RH isn't smart enough to have a no need for humans I have my Device wife relationship with, sadly.

No, pretty sure the autist is you. You're probably also one of the obnoxious retards or possibly all of them who keeps ruining Nanoha threads. Just leave, nobody wants you here

>>160167788
>ruining Nanoha threads
Anything involving 2 girls is subject to Crack-kun's wrath.

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Heh. All that's left for us now is to wait for a camrip or something, really

>>160167707
Fair enough.

Instead I'll fantasize about Fate using bardiche in 「Strap-On Form」to plow Nanoha while Raising Heart is acting as an anal bead.

>>160167887
Nanoha and Hayate's faces are way too similar.

Why does Stern have bigger breasts than Nanoha? Unfair.

>>160167951
I prefer Nanoha plowing Fate, but good taste.

Bonus points if she's still using Bardiche to plow Fate. Bardiche knows what Fate wants.

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>>160167951
>「Strap-On Form」

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Whoa

>>160167980
They don't look bigger, I think it's just the perspective.

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>>160168188
>but they'll get better
>she's only going to continue to get stronger
>at a rate several times that of a normal competitor

Why does Chinaloli tell these lies

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>>160168251
>dead link

Dis re fucking spectful

>>160167887
Yeah, there's not much left to discuss until we all get to see it. Meanwhile, it looks like bitchfag has decided to start baiting a certain someone else. I don't understand the logic behind ruining his own thread but he's insane so whatever.

>>160168357
What is Chrono doing back there?

>>160168357
Miura is strong

>>160168486
Cheating on his wife?

>>160167951

Nanoha is totally the top while Fate's the bottom in their relationship, anon.

>>160168086
「The Defloweration Mechanism Confirmation is in good condition」

>>160168574
>with Kyrie
Chrono is boring.

why did they use the shitty clones if they aren't even going to reuse the game story?

>>160168670
>Defloweration
Deflowering.

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>>160168486
You know what

>>160139530
Brit weaboo dyke living in Japan.

>>160168588
>>160168059
Fate can fuck Nanoha, but she moans like a bitch when she does it.
Nanoha will talk dirty when she's fucking Fate.

They've been together for a decade, they need to both be satisfied.

>>160168696
It was a joke anon, he originally says "Deformation".

>>160168676
It is the game story.

>>160168711
Me on the left

>>160168729
Have you seen the movie? No one who's seen it is saying this.

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>>160168674
Chrono is versatile.

>>160168711
Kyrie belongs with Amitie.

>>160168721
>Still going strong after 14 years of being together
>Even adopted a daughter together

Truly the purest form of love.

>>160168790
Have they listed the ways it's different from the game story?

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>>160168825
Does Kyrie know that?

On the topic of Raising Heart.

RH calls Vivio "Lady" and for some reason that really warms my heart.

>>160168920
Yes.

>>160168948
>RH calls
That reminds me. Did we ever get the spoiler of why RH is absent? Is it simply "they are too strong let's use this fancy non-recycled weapon"?

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>>160168866
They're funny

>>160168948
That's probably because they're starting with ojou-sama or something like that and translating it into English for her lines.

>>160169049
But you quoted 15 people and claimed they were all Akemi. And yes, that blog is Tumblrshit. Why would you be so intent on defending it? If it's not yours, just say the author is a mentally ill faggot and is wrong about everything.

>>160169022
The cup of blood really sells this one.

>>160169022
Suzuka doesn't look happy.

>>160169010
Absent from Reflections?
Fuck I thought they just had a weird mecha RH like Force. I keep getting less excited.

>>160169075
Come to think of it, it does sound like what a maid would call the masters daughter.
The episode I'm thinking of (Vivid 1) doesn't have any Japanese subtitles for it, but it's probably something like that.

>>160169107
>blood is purple

>>160169307
Let me imagine Suzuka is a vampire in peace.

>>160169275
>Absent from Reflections?
>Fuck I thought they just had a weird mecha RH like Force.
I am not sure myself, that's why I asked.

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>>160169082
You seem upset. They were made right here on [a/ some years ago.

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>>160169641
Oh I know you

If they're doing the games plot does that mean Ein and Vivio will show up?

>>160170293
No. It's not 1:1 the game plot.

>>160170348
>>160170315
Keep fighting the men in white coats. Never surrender.

>>160170323
They should still show up.

>>160168729
why did they think it was a good idea to use the story from a low effort cash in game then?

>>160170472
Nanoha as a whole is a low effort cash in franchise.

>>160170547
actually using recolor characters is just embarrassing

>>160170472
>why didn't they use the story of the game
>but they did
>why the fuck did they use the story of the game
What do you want?