Raildex

>>160111465
>Haruue
Who?

>>160111503
hanakana maybe

>>160111465
>What was the point of wasting Nunotaba on researcher faggots?
You tell me.

>>160111465
>plot device for a small arc

You mean the first Level 6 shift attempt which is big

Anyone got the manga edit where misaka begs Touma to fuck her after the dragon moment.

Or the full Hawaii shirt picture

>>160111719
As a character she was never developed beyond a state of rare moe scenes like the above scene. When they got rid of her I forgot she existed.

>>160111143
>>160111250
I searched for 19090 in SS2 and read all the relevant parts. Nothing really conclusively showed she had more emotion. If you want to dispute this claim then cite a specific passage.

gWill this uncertain information really benefit the Misakas? asks Misaka #10039.h
gHow is this lucky item supposed to bring luck to Misaka? asks Misaka #13577 as she
decides to look for a cat key chain.h
gM-Misaka simply cannot accept that her love fortune for this month is minus 5, says
Misaka #19090 as she demands a redo.h
#19090 continued mumbling, but those girls were not the type to pay it any heed. That
was when #10032 looked up as she realized something.


“Perhaps the date that should be commemorated as the Misakas’ birth is the day the
plan to create them from the DNA map was approved, says Misaka #10032 as she
proposes a different idea.”
“But that would be analogous to the day a human’s mother and father had sex, says
Misaka #10039 as she gives a rebuttal.”
“Or maybe it’s more like when the sperm was created inside the father’s body before
they have sex, says Misaka as she goes back even further.”
“Bfee! Says Misaka #19090 as she expresses her shock at the current direction of the
conversation.”

how could one doubt that 19090 is different?

>>160111876
They're all different though. And that's a difference in stimulus from 19090 reading a girl's magazine. Not enough evidence to conclude a difference in emotions.

>>160111866
>spills her spaghetti while the others doesn't give a fuck
>gets shocked at the other casually talking about sperm
>not more emotion
you're really trying to force this conversation

>>160111917
You're really trying to force this more than it needs to be, she's the only one who's clearly showing difference, as of right now she's the only case of this with Heaven Canceller hoping that she can rub off on the others

>>160111919
That's not really evidence she has more emotion. 10032 is affected a lot by Touma buying her jewelry and gets angry at Last Order who stole her goggles.
A different response could be from different stimulus.
>>160111967
Why the hell do you keep repeating "force" as if it has any meaning? You're the one who's trying to "force" meaning onto some insignificant differences in behavior while all of the sisters have some variance.

>>160112000
10032 acts no different from 13577 and 10039

>>160111147
>hat was just forced drama on Kamachi's part
It wasn't forced in any way.
>but blaming herself for all of this when she had no power over any of it is ridiculous
>Had no power
But she did, she had power,and if you were in her place as the #3 level 5 and wasn't able to save your genes clones normally you'd blame yourself for it as if you killed them yourself.

>>160112078
Not in that one super short scene in SS2, but during the punishment game her behavior differs a lot from what we've seen of other sisters. And she definitely shows emotion.

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>>160111465
I predict a certain phone-poster will find this thread.

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>>160112204
>implying she isn't already here

>>160112152
Not really no, even 777 who's in fucking Russia shows sadness because she physically can't do what 10032 and Mikoto does.
You talk about her in regards to Touma but they all literally feel the same way.

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Leave magicians to me

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>>160109892
Twas merely a swingers' date.

>>160112251
さすが, モバイルポスター

>>160112126
>It wasn't forced in any way.
"I'm irredimable monster that can't be forgiven, let me save them all by killing myself for not realizing that my DNA was going to be used to create over 20000 military clones of me that will most likely end up being killed off.
>Had no power
I was refering to when she was a child but it's my bad for typing it out that way. I mean't she had no control over what they did with her DNA.

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>>160112569
oh fuck 2ch is here now

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>>160111503
Haruue is a child error involved in one of Gensei's experiments.

She is presumed dead... no one knows what happened to her. She was never seen again.

>>160112575
she was gonna go do it to try and throw off the experiment, it was a dumb idea but she was getting pretty desperate

>>160112682
I'm not saying she wasn't and i understand that part. But blaming herself for her sister's deaths(who she didn't even know existed at the time) just seems stupid to me.

>>160112788
At that point, she was more focused on the part where she couldn't stop the experiments no matter what happened.
She blamed herself yes, but it wasn't nearly as major at the start, it was only when she started feeling more and more helpless in comparison to the effort she was putting

>>160111465
To create an artificial conflict between Kuroko and Uiharu as to delay investigation on the Poltergeist. Uiharu being obsessed as a caretaker (let's face it, Haruue is a grade-A retard that is incapable of wiping her own ass) weakens her character overall as it shows that her being a fucking Judgment and being a valuable part of the team, her duties and her friends, is below her taking care of a person whom she just fucking met.

This fucking extends to Haruue finally leaving Uiharu's apartment to live with Banri, and she and Uiharu bawling their eyes out despite the both of them still going to the same school in the same fucking district. I mean, Jesus fucking Christ.

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>>160112788
I've said it before, but Misaka 9983-10,031 are slightly more her fault.

In the manga, she's stubborn.
In the anime, she's downright negligent and forgetful.

>>160112575
>I'm irredeemable monster that can't be forgiven,
That's what she thinks for letting them die, normal.

>let me save them all by killing myself
Would do the same if i had an army clones that i let die and have no way to save, also normal reaction as she was desperate

>for not realizing that my DNA was going to be used
Regret can always follow even if the person wans't aware of the effects of their actions

I'd say it was a decent way of going through this with her character, Kamachi didn't force anything

>>160112919
Man, it's pretty bad that I had to stop and google who the hell Banri is. Railgun was a mess at times.

>>160112982
>I've said it before, but Misaka 9983-10,031 are slightly more her fault.
For not having the power to stop the person who's ranked higher than her?
I'll keep that in mind if i'm ever in a position where i see somone getting assaulted outside by a group of people and try to help them but fail.

>>160113045
My original point was that, people blaming her for her sisters deaths is ridiculous. She can blame herself all she wants and to a point i get it. Still seems rather forced to me though but whatever.

>>160113393
who are you talking about though?

>>160113242
So there was a video of some nogs laughing, filming, and berating another nog while he drowned in a lake.

Now, no one expects these nogs to save this drowning nog... but they could have at least called emergency services or some shit.

There is a reason Touma said he was fighting for himself. "Call my ideals half-assed will she?"

>>160113410
My aunt Becky.

>>160113485
If you see someone in immediate danger you have the choices of either calling out for help, going in to try and stop the people attacking the person or both. The most logical is obviously the 3rd option but noone's going to blame you for doing either.

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>>160112982
>In the anime, she's downright negligent and forgetful.
>literally going out every night and blowing up labs

>>160113603
Also going to suggest you read into the "Dependency Paradox". Because both the Sisters arc and the Poltergeist arc make a thing of it.

Imagine you as Touma or anyone at all, Mikoto is a friend or relative that needs to borrow money, and the number of dead sisters being the debt that is accumulating.

>>160113777
I blame Cloverfield episode for cutting off Misaka's attacks on the labs as she slowly loses sleep.

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>>160113864
>cutting off Misaka's attacks on the labs
>two entire episodes not counting the battle against mugino dedicated to this

>>160113791
>"The dependency paradox in close relationships: accepting dependence promotes independence."
So you're essentially saying, not to help people out because they'll get dependent on you if you do. Even though in this situation it meant that the person was going to commit suicide.
I don't agree with Touma's methods of doing things but i still think he did the right thing here by helping her and not simply saying "welp good luck" while going home.

>>160113791
In conclusion:

Misaka owes 1 sister on day 1, with an interest rate of several sisters every day until she pays the debt (stops the experiment)

Not wanting to burden friends with this issue (Even though she wants to, if the flashbacks of her mom are an indication) she stubbornly will not do so. So her debt is constantly increasing while she tries and fails to accomplish what she cannot do on her own.

By the time she finally gets help from someone, the debt is now almost 50 sisters. Her attempts to avoid troubling others led to the deaths (and near deaths) of a lot more people than it would have if she accepted herself and forced her burden onto others right away.

The real forgiveness offered to her isn't this mistake, as a lot of humans make it every day to an extent. (Which is why it is so important that people be aware of this psychological paradox, especially in Japan where it is at its worst) She still isn't to be blamed the same way the greedy banker (accelerator) is but she isn't 100% innocent.

The reason I say the anime is particularly bad about this whole thing, is because the Poltergeist arc was a thing that existed. This entire paradox was one she was berated for by her friends. She wasn't berated for letting the errors being taken away. She was berated for trying to fix it alone. Since this didn't happen in the manga, it is NOT A FACTOR.

>>160114198
Also sisters arc is non-so-secretly a pro-life / pro-choice debate and Touma is the pro-life.

Prove me wrong.

>>160114198
I get what you're saying but the situation is not the same as lending someone money. If i ask someone for money it's going to set them back financially until i return said money. If i ask someone to help me out with something that could get them killed is a little bit different.

>>160114345
The paradox is still applicable if you force it.

Imagine an army going into battle on its own without reinforcements because the reinforcements might get killed.

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>>160114198
>>160114402
I should mention I've now seen Railgun S like 6 times. I may have a problem...

"Big Sister was being a bad girl wasn't she? Says Misaka putting her hand on Big Sister's head without being able to touch."

Do you think Junko's astral buddy plays with the lost sisters?

>>160114575
>implying the astral buddy is what she said she is

>>160113897
More narrative could've been taken to illustrate her mental and physical condition which was going down the slope

>>160114402
In the end i stand by what i said. To me, Mikoto plays an obviously large role in creating the sisters and no actual role in they're murders. Apart from creating them i guess. But that's like saying our parents are to be blamed if we get murdered for creating us.

>>160114642
we saw that during the fight with item when she got very fatigued

>>160114674
Would have rather seen more of that instead of the clover leaf shit.

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God, can you just imagine sticking your dick into Kuroko? You just know she'd be in to all sorts of kinky shit. She'd probably pull you aside while on Judgement patrol and take you to a back alley. Before you know it, she'd be pressing herself against a wall, ass out, panties around her ankles. Skirt just barely covering her butt, looking at you over her shoulder with that tantalizing smile of hers. You wouldn't be able to help yourself; you'd lift her skirt and plunge right in. She'd make a satisfied moan as your cock pushes in with one smooth motion; the little slut is soaking wet. A deep primal instinct would awaken within you. The need to mate. The overwhelming, all encompassing urge to breed with this girl. Millennia of biology would take over, and you'd be lost in the throws of lust. Her tiny jc pussy would be squeezing and clinging to your shaft with each thrust, as if to coax out your seed. After what feels like forever, but was likely a scant few minutes, you'd feel cum starting gather. Your cock would swell to an even greater size in preparation. And Kuroko would look over her shoulder again, giving you that crooked smile. She knows whats about to happen. And in her eyes, you can see the same base, primal urge that has taken hold of you. She wants it, so so bad. Any sense of reason would be purged from your body. You'd thrust wildly and without rhythm, as fast as you possibly can. With your seed, you will make her your woman. Nothing else in the world matters. With one final thrust you'd explode, all the cum racing from your balls and into her womb. You'd just keep cumming and cumming, thick globs of semen splurting out and filling her womanhood. It feels like you emptied your entire sack into her. The feeling is indescribable.

And then, it would be over. You'd slowly pull out, panting and sweaty. The momentary madness would pass.

Kuroko would pull up her panties, trapping your seed inside of her. And with one last wink, she'd teleport away.

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>>160114642
There's a scene where she is in bed, looking like she survived a rape...

I think they covered that fine enough.

Despite everything I've said. Mikoto is still the hero. She triggered the Sister rebellion which made Accelerator's worst fears come true. Giving him the courage to be a jobber, and temporarily sacrifice a healthy finger to stop the experiment.

Without Mikoto, it wouldn't have happened. Not even Touma would have been able to do anything.

>>160114820
>survived a rape
Dicks sure are powerful. I have no idea how most women survive after getting repeatedly stabbed by a penis.

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>>160114783

Settle down Touma

>>160114992
Touma's not into girls who are younger than him.

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>>160114933
Being dicked by mad scientists is serious business.

Rate railgun OP/EDs

1. Railgun S1 OP 2
2. Railgun S1 OP 1
3. Railgun S1 ED 1
4. Railgun S2 OP 1

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>>160115000

Which is why he'll end up with one

>>160115000
Which would mean, everybody in the world. Except for maybe the fairy bitch.

>>160115000
Index gives him nosebleeds. One of few of her body type that does. He also expressed disappointment at not being able to feel 10032's tits. Which by extention, means he'd be down to rub Mikoto's.
Indeed, he probably would prefer the Orsola and Fukiyose type, but he's still pretty opportunistic.

>>160114820
>>160114674
What I meant that these clover scenes should've been replaced with more in-depth illustration of her state instead of unwanted moe. It was a bad direction move

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>>160114783

Raildex noob here, how would I be able to download and read the manga/LN on my phone?

>>160115090
"not into" doesn't mean 0 attraction. And Index is more of a woman than Kuroko.

>>160115139
>the nun headcrab is more of a woman than the older girl with sexual fantasies

>>160115159
Kuroko's certainly not an "older girl" from the perspective of Touma. And she's not older than Index either. And I was obviously speaking about appearance.

>>160115218
but she is older than index, both mentally and physically

>>160111919
What I still don't get is how so many Misaka clones are going around the city pretty much ignored. Most people would probably at the least see a few a week. Surely more than even just a few regular people would eventually get suspicious and figure it out?

>>160115254
Not physically in terms of appearance. And according the wiki Kuroko is 12-13 and Index is 14-15 which more or less matches what I thought.

>>160115139
>>160115218
Tell you the truth, I don't think Touman can handled prolonged experience with Lessar, Kuroko is the same except she might try to rape him even more with teleportation attempts

>>160115305
We've never actually gotten age numbers for either of them, but kuroko is 6cm taller.

>>160115254
Mentally perhaps.

But I believe Kuroko's age at the start is 13. While Index is "around 15"

I guess we won't know how old Index actually is until her birthday comes up... by which point end game will be triggered and series will end.

>>160115359
Well Kuroko's approximate age is more or less set according to her being a first year middle school student (equivalent to 7th grade). This means no older than 13 by the end of the school year, unless she's a bad student who got held back. Index was said to look approximately 15 I think.

>>160115415
>Index was said to look approximately 15 I think.
Problem is, she doesn't look 15. I feel like her being the same age as Kuroko makes more sense.

>>160115633
She does look approximately 14 or 15 though. Stiyl is the one who doesn't look anything like a 14 year old.

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>>160115633
She is an English version of Taiga. That's how it is.

>>160115746
>Stiyl is 14
fucking what

>>160115819
>height comparison
>none of the characters are standing up straight or in recognizable outfits

>>160111465
Nagai just wanted to hear HanaKana's voice.

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>>160115822
Buddy is new to the Memedex.

>>160115875
it was obvious loli-sensei is much older than she looks, but there's nothing to indicate stiyl is 14

>>160115850
Not him but there's a legit heigh comparison thing, I dunno where to find it but even the mobage uses it

>>160115101
Nyaa has a fairly complete collection of the originals in both ePub and PDF formats. Alternatively, Baka-Tsuki has Baka Reader if you have Android, but B-T only has New Testament and the spinoffs because the original got C&Ded.

>>160115958
How does one read a ePub on a phone?

>>160115277
Wasn't Saten running into occult rumours about Misaka being everywhere almost immediately? I could be remembering that slightly wrong.
At the very least people were noticing that there were alot of Dokidoki students running around with "fake" guns.
People have been noticing for a while.
This clone emotion discussion is kinda silly since they already had emotions imo.

>>160115921
Ages are fairly nonsensical in Raildex anyway. Hell, look at the Birdway sisters.

Leivinia (pic related) is the leader of one of the most notorious, influential post-Crowley magic cabals in the world and one of the few people who learned how to directly manipulate Telesma, and her little sister Patricia is a super-genius with a Ph.D. They're both 12.

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>>160116110
4chan ate my pic somehow.

>>160116016
I use FBReader on mine personally.

>>160116092
>since they already had emotions imo.
suppressed emotions

>railshit

>>160113242
Literally post that shit on fucking youtube and/or call a newspaper outside of AC. Her power is sufficient that she could actually fuck with the security measures that would try to prevent her from doing so and actively stop any hacking not being done by uihari and that's if she doesn't do the smart thing and hook up with uiharu at the same time she does it.

>>160116193
I'd rail your shit desu.

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>>160113242
>Not having the power to save everyone
Literally your fault.

>>160116110
I only heard it from 4chan, so [citation needed]: Haimura apparently made a mistake on Stiyl's design as explained to him by Kamachi.
I think they should have either redesigned him or changed his age but whatever...

JC staff automatically ups the age of its males a little bit as well, making the situation a bit more noticeable than the Haimura illustrations, where Magnus being at least under 18 could still be believed

>>160116166
Not suppressed, undeveloped. The sisters are all more childish in personality than misaka in a way even if they have learned much quicker than her about romance.
EG
They're more playful than Misaka original. The first kills had them acting like a kid on a playground doing poses and whatnot.

>>160116166
9982 is the true hero of the sisters. Her curiosity actually saved the cat... both figuratively and literally.

>>160116344
If their emotions weren't suppressed then you do understand that the whole situation with that "virus" wouldn't have happened right?

>>160116421
The virus failed because it tried to insert something that was already there.

>>160116463
the virus didn't fail at all, it was literally told to us that it affected exactly one clone

>>160116500
Nagai-space doesn't count.

>>160116557
Nagai-space doesn't count in that it didn't occur exactly as shown however the events themselves still happened and have been referenced

>>160116617
>have been referenced
You'll need to find an explicit reference in the manga to 19090 saying the virus succeeded if you want to convince anyone.

>>160116665
You're literally the only person who thinks 19090 isn't different

>>160116682
Making a lot of assumptions there buddy.
Not him, btw.

>>160116682
Not true because >>160116463 is different.

>>160116740
>Not him, btw.
Sure, you're free to do whatever you're trying to do here. But it doesn't take a genius to understand the reasoning why everytime 19090 gets "screentime"(which she hardly gets) she's always shown being a exception, in all of her appearances in which she interacts with the others

>>160116213
Imagine instead that you saw a bunch of uniformed police officers, federal marshals, special forces, CIA officers, the head of NATO and the Secretary General of the United Nations kicking people into a lake and drowning them. You're not going to call the police. Everyone is in on it. They'll murder you, and your friends too.

Academy City has a vested interest in not offing Misaka Mikoto. She's a PR asset. Kuroko, Uiharu, and Saten could die in a freak accident and nobody would bat an eye. In her mind she was the only one who could act.

>>160116782
She has showed more emotions than the others and there's a simple reason for that. Heaven Canceller stated that each clone has/will develop her own individual personallity. Doesn't mean she has more emotions than the other clones, just that she's different than the rest as is every other Misaka, hence Touma's speech about how there's only one of "you" in this entire world.

>>160117115
The other clones don't feel embarrassment, and has yet to do so, while 19090 has been doing it from the start, this all goes back to the suppressed emotions mentioned in the manga, in which one of the scientists asked if she can get a little "shyness", if it's as you say then 32 wouldn't have been so open to taking her skirt off for Touma in public like that.

The conversation isn't even about personalities, it's about the emotions that they display

>>160115101
You are in luck

https://mega.nz/#F!7RdnFbpC!WX68VUFTwQjnle5xjGzcsw

>>160117200
Emotions and personality are linked though. Like i said, they each develop their own personality thus show different emotions and reactions while put in the same position. One of them could even end up having a slutty persona in time.

>>160111465
>>160111719
Wait, why was Haruue of all people chosen for Level 6?

>>160117325
The problem with what you say is that, once again the only time we see 19090 doing anything with the others it's her being different.
As of right now what you say may be true in time, however as of right now it's literally only 19090 who does what she does and that's why she's special

>>160117405
Let's just agree to disagree and let time tell us which is right. Hopefully we get some insight on this in the new Railgun novel that's coming up.

>>160117384
There are probably a shitton of espers who were identified by Academy City as possible level six candidates, almost all of whom died in stage 1 of 72 of the process.

>>160117384
She wasn't chosen specifically, all her class of Child Errors were used for the experiment with proto-Body Clear.

>>160117585
Banri's class, rather. Haruue wasn't involved with the shift itself.

>>160117384
They were experimenting with overloading esper powers. I don't think they expected any of the overloaded espers in the experiment to actually reach level 6.
They wouldn't want to give accelerator or whomever the ideal test subject is the serum until they experimented enough on disposable guinea pigs.

>>160116944
And that's why AC shat bricks over the possible PR problems when mama Misaka was going to take Misaka original out of AC which is obviously less of a problem than Misaka going on a rampage after releasing said tape and forcefully leaving the city before any of the Rensa or five overs were made?
She's one of the only people that could have actually gotten away with reporting the shady stuff in AC and she just decides to let it happen to everyone else instead.

>>160117734
It wasn't a PR issue, they didn't want Mikoto to leave because they wanted to keep her powers local.

>>160112919
This so much. I can't stand her character, nor can i stand Uiharu when she's with her.

>>160117815
Nope. They specifically said that if Misaka leaves then it starts a floodgate of other parents leaving AC with their children because they don't like the idea of their children being in a country that's a target for world wars. The local thing could be a side benefit but the more pressing issue was it would make everyone else start to leave AC.

>>160117734
Who's she gonna report it to? All the higher-ups with power in the city know about this shit. If she gets her mother involved in this it'll put her in dager. Same goes for anyone else outside of AC.

>>160117560
>Level 6 Proposal for Esper Takazaki Michiko

>Overview: The proposed subject, Takazaki Michiko, is a Level 2 psychotemporal Esper currently attending XXX Middle School. Subject's esper potential is recorded at a maximum potential of Level 4, but has demonstrated certain analomous properties in the presence of external spatial distortions. 11th-dimensional distortion studies suggest the possibility of...
>July 17: Subject was retrieved and prepared for the Spatial Conditioning Chamber.
>July 18: Subject suffered runaway AIM feedback cascade and suffered catastrophic brain failure. Numerous temporal distortions were detected immediately prior to the cascade. Emergency brain transplatation was attempted, but did not prove effective at reviving subject; the brain was placed in stasis for future analysis. Runaway student paperwork was filed with Antiskill.
>...
>September 23: Subject's brain was transferred for XXX facility for integration into the Special Neural Project.

>>160118001
>Emergency brain transplatation was attempted
So how does that work?

>>160118130
If they can make Rensas they can put a brain in a jar to keep it alive.

You know the real question about a hypothetical war with anyone is just how many people within Academy City will remain loyal to them or even try to help at all

>>160117734
>She's one of the only people that could have actually gotten away with reporting the shady stuff in AC.
Any source she contacted outside of AC would be unlikely to be alive the next day. The only way she could have gotten the source out there would be to personally invade a broadcasting station and broadcast it personally. And what here exactly, is the point? To start a war between Japan and AC? Maybe force AC to pull an Avignon on Misaka's hometown? If you are going to ask for help, you need to think of someone who you think can not only help, but who can win.

The reason that light side individuals keep the dark side a secret is because bringing the dark side into the light... brings the dark side into the light. The dark side doesn't want it, but the light side doesn't want it either because it means open war.

>>160117961
Anon, you are lowering my opinion of you at a rapid rate.
So parents wanting to take their kids from AC a major problem worthy of Alister's attention.

A worldwide reveal of an inhumane cloning experiment that doubles as guro where they make the #1 half insane esper constantly committing murder, torture, and the consumption of human flesh is happening with the full knowledge and support of AC after tricking a 5 year old into giving permission for it is not worth concern? Do you think that not a single parent of an AC esper is going to give two fucks about that? Do you not see how that might not at all go bad for AC if one of the only people they can't actively stop if they rebel goes loose?

>>160118286
And do you not remember the fact that she tried to get that shit out into the public? Now how did that go again?

>>160118286
>So parents wanting to take their kids from AC a major problem worthy of Alister's attention.
Misaka didn't know this.

>Do you not see how that might not at all go bad for AC if one of the only people they can't actively stop if they rebel goes loose?
Misaka is a valuable but ultimately disposable asset. Even 128 of her would be a disposable asset. It turns out that she was actually 100% indispensable for reasons explained fifty novels later, but nobody at the time knew it.

>>160118286
>Anon, you are lowering my opinion of you at a rapid rate.
I couldn't care less about your opinion of me, that's irrelevant. Focus on the topic.

>>160117384
>>160117627
While Haruue is level 2, she has the kind of attribute that allows her to manifest her power above level 2 occasionally

>>160118254
You're thinking too small a scale for what Misaka can actually do with her abilities.
AC would have to physically take out every single internet hub on the planet since she can just plaster the videotape on anything that connects to the internet. It wouldn't be some localized event destroying her hometown. It would be millions of people all over the planet suddenly receiving a message about AC being a hellhole followed by the most well known member of AC shooting her way out of the city. Now, consequences could happen after that but in order to keep any semblance of the plan going AC would have to kidnap all of the espers and nonkihara scientists when they didn't have the ability to prevent a rebellion from lv 5 espers.
Do you think Gunha or Touma is going to sit there nonchalantly if AC tries to do martial law if everything explodes?
>>160118570
Disposable? yes, Killable? Rensa wasn't made yet. Rensa was made because AC had no way to take down a rebelling lv 5.
>>160118511
When? She gave up when she realized AC knew about it, she couldn't trick the satellite since it was exploded by Index , and it was clear that her terrorist bombings were doing nothing. She didn't try sending information out in any meaningful manner to the outside world or even the student body at AC.

>>160118706
>Disposable? yes, Killable? Rensa wasn't made yet. Rensa was made because AC had no way to take down a rebelling lv 5.
No, Rensa was made for the scenario where all of the level 5s rebeled (or something similar). It wasn't made for merely one of the level 5s rebelling.

>>160118706
I'm tired and we're getting sidetracked here. The original debate was wether or not Mikoto is the one to blame for the deaths of her sisters. Just tell me your opinion and let's be done with this before i pass out.

>>160118570
and how deep does the darkness go for people who aren't even assets. dare we ask that on /a/.

>>160118706
>It wouldn't be some localized event destroying her hometown.
I agree. Misaka could get the message out there, at the potential cost of getting all her family and friends killed. All that for a CHANCE at stopping an experiment.

>>160118706
>AC had no way to take down a rebelling lv 5.
They had a very easy way to take down a rebelling Level 5: send a stronger Level 5 after her. Accelerator could kill Misaka before breakfast and not break a sweat.

>>160118858
I'll take your word on that as that's a slight but important distinction but I'm going to point out that Misaka's delusions of grandeur and Shouten MC worldview don't allow for her to realize if she'd be too weak to win an a battle in the first place.
>>160119056
No when she was a child as a child giving permission for that is legally bullshit in the first place. I'd say yes for not using the simple solution of mass disseminating the information/warnings but she is legitimately dumb enough to have not figured that idea. She's already mentally unstable as fuck.

Now for all of the bad stuff that has happened since then which she could have prevented instead of voluntarily promoting a city of horrific inhuman experimentation is stuff she is indirectly responsible for as Alister's current AC plans he used up till the last LN would have massively derailed. TLDR Frenda is that murderous Mikoto's fault.

>>160119413
>I'd say yes for not using the simple solution of mass disseminating the information/warnings
I feel like most of the main group has had the oppertunity to reveal to the world about what AC does behind the scenes but are legit dumb enough to do so. Like when they were in Hawai, they could have told the president about this shit and he could have gone on national television to report all of it. I know that they had other things to worry about but still.
>She's already mentally unstable as fuck.
Are you refering to her going killer mode in NT17 or her obsession with the T?

>>160119413
>Now for all of the bad stuff that has happened since then which she could have prevented instead of voluntarily promoting a city of horrific inhuman experimentation is stuff she is indirectly responsible for as Alister's current AC plans he used up till the last LN would have massively derailed. TLDR Frenda is that murderous Mikoto's fault.
This much is actually true, but it's also part of a theme that stretches through a lot of Index, that it's okay to fight to take back their "everyday lives" and to preserve a peace that has a dark shadow lying over it than flip the table in the name of justice. Touma is always fighting people who have some great sense of justice in their lives, who want to end suffering, to be the salvation of the world, and they're willing to turn over everyone else's lives to do it and sacrifice their own lives on top of that. He usually tells them to fuck off. That's just how it is.

>>160119688
There is no point in encouraging the United States to fight an enemy that it cannot defeat. They'd end up like Science Guardian.

>>160119688
Fair enough on everyone else although for Touma this is just normal and he at least knows that there are people outside of AC that know. Accel has ulterior motives to not telling since the sisters going public might not be great for em and they're semi hostage if he does get that idea. Hazamura is blackmailing AC so that he isn't murdered with one secret as it is. He's not going to think he can safely reveal another. Misaka's in a unique position of naive and "power" where she could feasibly think/try.


>Are you refering to her going killer mode in NT17 or her obsession with the T?

Everything. She's a level 5. None of them are sane human beings and I suspect AC .purposefully unhinges them further.
Misaka firmly believes that reality works like she is the main character in a shounen jump manga. That's one strike against her.
There's all of her violent tendencies but I'm not getting into that billion word explanation and subsequent arguments with her rapid fans. so it would be one considered by those that agree with me on this but not count otherwise to avoid issues.
Next is her inability to mentally handle anyone being stronger than her. This is linked to the shounen MC mindset but it's severe enough to be judged on it's own.
Touma beats her? She repeatedly challenges him with clearly lethal force despite her claims to the contrary (attacks that melt steel totally aren't lethal to human beings). Since Touma does not properly present/bluff a proper power gap this is the start of a yandere obsession with him instead of full on mental breakdowns like later.
Accel wrecks her shit and displays that she's weak. She goes suicidal.
She displays no comprehension whatsoever of the fact that she should be scared of anything that makes Touma run which is part of this ongoing inability to accept she is not the most powerful being on the planet.
Salome shows up, The mental breakdown that Niang Niang nudged slightly goes full bore and she goes killer mode.

>>160120332
Kamachi once insinuated that America could win against AC in open war by sheer dint of their size and resources. It would likely be a bloody, drawn-out affair, and there wouldn't be any winners in the war, only losers. The magic side would have a field day with whoever was on the losing side as well.

>>160120332
But Touma keeping a lid on things would be the exact same thing he'd be punching people for if he was against telling the truth about AC.
How many people suffered from not having the horrors of AC revealed so that they can get/stay the hell away? All of the commonwealth is being attacked by evil jizzwizards. The only reason I'm not asking why my smile isn't worth protecting is because I can kick Alister down the stairs. Are the smiles and everyday lives of the people that must suffer due to this silence not worth protecting too?

>>160120570
Unless America had a massive anti-supernatural program going (and from the looks of Liberal Arts City, they've got nothing of the source) it doesn't really look like they've got anything that could stop a Rensa from leveling DC. Troops, men, material, none of that matters unless you can get it to go where you want it to go. I'll take Kamachi's word for it that it would be at least an ugly affair and honestly WW3 is not something you want to start even if you can anyway.

>>160120646
>>160120570
but if AC really goes to war with anyone and starts leveling shit, why wouldn't the espers that live there turn against them?

>>160120332
>There is no point in encouraging the United States to fight an enemy that it cannot defeat.

Then there's no point in telling the world of what's going on in AC, if even a super power like the US can't do anything about it.

>>160120734
The US can though, it was stated

>>160120675
AC's defense programs are not reliant on its espers, at least not in the way you think they'd be. Vento made this mistake and got herself fucked up so badly, even Touma expressed concern for her during their fight. Also, higher-ups like Yuiitsu have entire contingency plans drawn up in case the espers ever actually rebel against AC. This is no idle threat, given she singlehandedly fucked up Tokiwadai in NT16.

>>160120628
>Are the smiles and everyday lives of the people that must suffer due to this silence not worth protecting too?
Every decision you makes preserves some smiles and destroys others. There are many people out there who are only able to keep their smiles because they are able to go on beliving in Academy City. On the whole the math looks pretty bad, but the risk of blowing off the lid is incredible. When you are negotiating with hostage takers one of the things you have to worry about is making sure you don't piss off the hostage taker enough that he just starts setting off bombs.

Also, the Will of the Misaka Network is a big shitter who told Touma it was okay to fight for his smile alone.

>>160120916
Your assumption relies on the fact that everyone within AC will remain loyal to them, hell your higherup mentioned literally went AWOL

>>160120646
That can't be the only one considering how many programs have existed in the past and how much more viable they'd seem in a world where proof of supernatural phenomena exists. it's just the latest one that Alister went and destroyed I feel like LAC implied that Alister eliminates any attempts to make espers/magic mainstream by a government. A real war vs AC would bring out patriotic American Eagle Wizards that would either become soldiers, help out the misc programs enough to defend them from Alister attack, and low key buff the armies with secretly enchanted bullets.
There's also the problem of the fact that America doesn't fight by itself. It fights with the world. It's the US, All of Nato, Japan, the rest of the pacific allies, worst Korea, China sharpening its claws for a chance to pick off something at an opportune time and corner the esper market via the sheer number of bodies.
It's on a whole different scale.
>>160120956
>Will-tan
We already figured out that she's probably Alister or Alister's puppet by now. Her existence is an actual affront to the individual lives of the Sisters.
In a situation where either decision loses and protects some smiles then the proper thing to do is what is right. And yeah. the math is horrifically bad. He failed to protect the smile of 1/3 of the Earth from jizzwizards. That's a pretty hard failure from a mathematical standpoint.
The other problem with your analogy is that you're trying to negotiate with them to stop setting off bombs while they're actively creating more bombs and more hostages. Obviously talking is better but there is a point where there is no clear intention to ever stop escalating things no matter what.
>>160121036
He also used Vento as an example when said defense works entirely on espers being there. If Vento was the type to use lethal force that same trick wouldn't have worked.

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>>160121369
>We already figured out that she's probably Alister or Alister's puppet by now. Her existence is an actual affront to the individual lives of the Sisters.
Is this actually enumerated on in the recent novels, or speculation? I'm a bit behind on the novels.

>Obviously talking is better but there is a point where there is no clear intention to ever stop escalating things no matter what.
Letting Aleister "just win" is arguably better for a lot of people involved than dragging out a great war. Same goes for a lot of other people, really.
This is the great paradox of peace.

>>160121593
Nah. just basic logic. Everyone always felt something was off about her and then it got pointed out that she's exactly what the sisters claimed would happen when they were OK with dying. So she's the direct antithesis of the entire lesson behind the sisters arc. The other problem is that she talks more like she's a terminal being typed into. She also only shows up to put things back on course for Alister. It's merely alot of circumstantial evidence piling up once it gets pointed out to you.
>>160121593
Nah. Alister is purposefully making everyone's lives shit. You can claim it's more peaceful but he's really just extending suffering to as many people as possible as his methodology. He constructed a city that could have been absolutely anything to lure Touma in and he chose to make something million children suffer instead while forcing everything back on the rails if it ever looked like it was going to stop.
Sisters arc could have been a ping pong tournament. Battle royale could have a Virtual On Tourney. Kakaine could have just spent too long being a NEET instead of stuffed in a fridge before he becomes obsessed with loli beach volleyball. AC is his personal torture device he uses before he takes that barely bottled up rage out on the world.

>>160122016
>. Everyone always felt something was off about her and then it got pointed out that she's exactly what the sisters claimed would happen when they were OK with dying. So she's the direct antithesis of the entire lesson behind the sisters arc.
This point doesn't make any sense. Can you explain?
> The other problem is that she talks more like she's a terminal being typed into.
Even if she's not Aleister's pawn she's still a terminal formed out of the subconscious of the network, so this argument is meaningless.

>>160122206
The sisters believed that their deaths wouldn't matter since as a hive mind their overall collective conscious(Will) would survive so long as there was one of them left.
The character arc for the sisters was entirely based upon them accepting/realizing their own individuality and the fact that they do die when they are killed as well as the fact that it is wrong.
If you accept Will-tan then that means that (logically) it was perfectly OK for Accelerator to kill as many clones as he wanted because they weren't real people. She is a metaphorical and actual affront to the entire sisters arc by merely existing.

>>160122405
Will isn't the individual Sisters, though. That's the point. The memories are contained by the collective but the individual clones still die, that never changed. Will's existence is in part due to those deaths, however, so you could consider that a moral issue, but eh.

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>>160111465
>streaming
Fuck off.

>>160122951
actually that's just jpg compression, not a stream. The full 1080p image was 5mb and couldn't be uploaded to 4chan

>>160122996
what kind of madman would subject a high-res image to horrific jpg compression and THEN save the resulting image as a png

we are in the witness of the end times

>>160123086
>be me
>take screenshot of 1080p ultra high quality anime
>LOL 7MB
>compress to 720p
>LOL 5MB
>butcher image
>ok NOW i will upload it
T.T

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>walking down the street in the mobage you can see a lot of random events
>like Touma being attacked by basically anyone for no reason
>Nuns getting the shit beat out of them
>Sisters being randomly attacked
>Uiharu being attacked
>Accel walking around ignoring random attackers

what kind of events do you want to see?

>>160113242
Stopping Accelerator wasn't even going to stop the experiment. I'm not even sure killing Accelerator would have stopped them from using the clones as labrats

>>160122405
Will existing IS a slap in the face to their individuality. Unless Will is some sort of trick or something.

What are the chances of Misaka getting buffed on the mobage?

>>160123519
why would she need a buff?
she's no kazakiri

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>>160123403
>>Uiharu being attacked

>>160123516
That's what i said. DId you link to the wrong post anon?
>>160123403
Such a peaceful city full of smiles.

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is she popular yet? what does she look like in the phone kusoge?

>>160122909
She outright says "me saying something is the same thing as them saying it". She also implies that she is what the clones "really feel", although she later says she has no right to impose herself on their world.

>>160123687
>kusoge
how dare you
what do you even think she looks like, her design doesn't change

>>160123634
I was just agreeing with you. I think Will isn't going to be what she says she is and end up being an Aleister trick

>>160123740
She's an emergent entity created from the Sisters network and thus influenced by them but she herself is not the Sisters. Like how Hyouka was created from the interactions of the AIM fields of countless espers but is her own individual entity.

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>>160123687

>>160111465

Filler be filler.

>>160123800
Why can't she be both? Aleister is all about planning things such that they happen on their own rather than him having to take direct control all the time, like how Hyouka was created.

>>160123823
That is not at all the impression she gives, though. In her very first appearance, she behaves as though she's the true thoughts and feelings. She backs this up in her second appearance. Only in third appearance does she imply she's not as connected to this world as she seems.

>>160123687
the best bet you got is to play her in that game faggot

>>160123924
If shes what she says she is, she's a slap in the face to the Sisters and everyone who cares about them. I suppose Kamachi can do that if he wants but it's kinda shitty if you ask me

>>160122944
Thanks

>>160123776
in the psp game she had the construction worker disguise and her normal stripper outfit

>>160123871
is this some kind of bath salt mixing game? I thought it was some kind of action game.

>>160118706
You need to realize that drastic actions like that have enormous consequences. If a lot of other espers rebel, then you'd essentially have civil war inside AC, and a lot of innocent low level espers are going to be injured or killed. There's pretty much no way US, Russia, England, etc. aren't going to interfere when illegal human cloning is involved and the magic side would probably take advantage of the war. Then, if AC loses the war and is dissolved, other countries will have to take the espers and will gladly research (or dissect) them. And they obviously aren't going to leave 10000 emotionless esper clone soldiers as they are. Certainly genocide is horrific, but would you be willing to start a nuclear war over it?

Mikoto destroying the labs was in fact the best solution, and would have worked if the experiment didn't have such bottomless funds (probably due to the importance of the Sisters to Aleister). She only went suicidal after seeing that the terrorism wouldn't work and Tree Diagram was destroyed.

>>160124230
it is a action game

If Will is some entity that's only vaguely related to the Sisters, why does she come in and act like she's the true thoughts and feelings of all the Sisters when she "emails" Accelerator? Read that scene again. It definitely sounds like Will is saying she is what the all the clones truly think and feel, whether they show it outwardly or not.

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>>160122944
>User, you appear to be well on your way to building a harem of management programs. Even if it runs counter to my own identity, I must ask: doesn’t this feel rather empty to you?”
>tfw you will never have a harem of loyal AI maids

アンケート期間：2017/7/19
もっとも運が良さそうなアニメ!
*11 257 '上条当麻' とある魔術の禁書目録 ◄what a fuck?

"No one understands my pain"
t.Mikoto

>>160124331
bubble bath action?

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>>160124429

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>>160124429
No, it's just a game that also has things for you to do on the side, not exactly the most surprising thing

>>160124375
Will is the in-house psychologist for the Misaka clones.

>>160124569
That doesnt make sense. If she's just a vague by product of the network, she has no business saying "she" left Last Order anywhere. Unless she is implying she herself is Last Order's inner most thoughts. A vague by product is not in charge of who goes where.

>>160124569
Othinus is Magic God
Misaka Will is Science God
a simple as is

>>160124275
And how much damage to the planet has AC/Crowley purposely caused? It's set off a world war that nearly ended a continent, killed AC citizens often enough that they have hidden body incinerators behind every laundromat, ended the world ten thousand times in a row, killed thousands of others, had the sisters invade foreign compounds in breach of international law which probably resulted in quite a few deaths, and now 1/3 of the planet is being attacked by evil masturbating keikakumen. Those are some pretty fucking big consequences.

What the hell exactly is the point behind dissecting the espers when in your theoretical situation they can just outright take the data from the esper programs and make them instead?

>>160124851
At best, Will is an ingredient for something that will kill god.

>>160124851
>Misaka is topdog science side
>Thor is topdog magic side
Really increases your cognitive exercise

>>160124569
>>160124714
Will shouldn't be claiming she's the decision maker for the Sisters unless she actually is.

Also here is an inconsistency:

Will says "I left Last Order AND Worst with you" to Accelerator in NT6. This implies she has a certain amount of control over WORST.

In NT9, however, she says "Misaka WORST is not my territory, I don't accept her"

So which is it? Do you control her enough to "leave" her somewhere OR does she not fall under your jurisdiction because you don't accept her?

>>160125056
That's totally not because Alister can login as an admin to the Misaka network.

>>160125146
I think Will is 100% Aleister bullshit that's probably going to hurt the clones at some point.

>>160125056
Let's not forget how inconsistent "I left Last Order here and I can "throw you in a bigger hell than you can imagine" (read: take Last Order away) in NT6 is compared to "You're a good boy, Accelerator. Go home to your brat, and treat her like a person and not a victim. Also, don't worry about me. I don't belong here and won't impose myself on any of you" in NT10

>>160125056
what if those Wills are two different Wills

What if Will is a would-you-kindly protocol?

>>160125056
The Will of the Misaka Network is a entity that was created when the Misaka Network achieved sentience.

>With a puzzled look, Misaka Worst said, “Couldn’t you just drag it out with an iron claw?”
>“Go to hell, loner, spits out Misaka in response to this black-hearted monster.”
>Though, since they were both existences controlled by the single large will of the Misaka Network, that opinion had technically once existed within Misaka Imouto as well.

>He had met a girl created from an aggregation of AIM diffusion fields and he had met those who made up a network of human clones where the whole could influence the individual and the individual could influence the whole.

Think of it this way: inside your head right now there are a lot of electrical pulses running around. Your consciousness depends on this electrical activity. Imagine if entirely incidentally to that, these electrical impulses gained "their own" sentience. This entity would be made of your own thoughts as fundamental particles, just as your brain is made out of cells, a completely virtual entity. Is it you? No, not really. But it "is your thoughts", even as it is capable of having its own.

Really the whole thing is a bunch of fucking nonsense.

>>160125445
They almost seem like it. NT9 and NT10's Will seem a lot different than NT6's. NT10 Will negated a lot of what NT6 Will said, too.

>>160125311
That's not really inconsistent. If Accel decided to act stupid again Will could exert control, but because he stuck to the hero route Will had no further reason to interfere and could leave them be. It's not like the clones are constantly under Will's control. For that matter, the most degree of control we've seen her achieve is temporary assumption of direct control of individual clones.

>>160125514
> Really the whole thing is a bunch of fucking nonsense.
As is most of Kamachi's science. You don't read Kamachi for realistic science.

>>160125572
If she's telling the truth about "I don't belong here and won't impose myself on any of you", then that certainly implies she was never going to "throw Accelerator into a hell several times larger than he imagined" because that would be interfering.

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>>160125193
for 100% He needs 'a plan' to influence all remaining Misaka's
>kill the original
>lobotomize the tower
>put this new 'Aleister Will' into some dolly-body
>last, kill anyone/everything who's interference
this plan (the only way (chance) to defeat Laura Corazon)

>>160125514
If my brain gained its own sentience, it still wouldn't be correct for it to go to my roommate and say "I got you some food" when it was me that did it.

>>160125814
However, it'd be fine for this strange sentience to take credit for my calculus homework, if it was the one that actually did it. The point is there would need to be an acknowledged separation. Will did not seem to acknowledge that separation.

>>160124885
>set off world war
Mostly caused by GRS getting mad at Touma. The conventional battles were mostly jokes, and war ended with R/RoC basically saying "Fiamma forced us." World war over human cloning would be more serious.
>hidden body incinerators behind every laundromat
Not that many ppl die in AC lol.
>ended the world ten thousand times in a row
Aleister/AC really had nothing to do with Othinus doing that, except maybe IB existing.

Also, this stuff happening at a later time does not justify Mikoto starting a much worse war in OT3 when none of this stuff was known then. If she had, I'm sure a lot more ppl would be bashing her for "selfishness" than those trying to blaim Mikoto nowadays for not saving all the Sisters.

>What the hell exactly is the point behind dissecting the espers when in your theoretical situation they can just outright take the data from the esper programs and make them instead?
In a war, stuff like esper development machines, drugs, teachers, documents, etc. are going to get destroyed. The remaining stuff would get distributed among the winners, and I doubt they could get complete information. Esper powers likely use Aleister magic and no other country has replicated it before. It'd be like when they tried to reconstruct Tree Diagram with only fragments.

I think Mikoto's purpose in Aleister's plan was to a) create the clones and b) be a last resort weapon of mass destruction that will allow him to escape and regroup.

>>160124046
>If shes what she says she is, she's a slap in the face to the Sisters and everyone who cares about them.

Given what we know of Touma now, he could well have just been speechifying about the Sisters' individuality out of the heat of the moment and to further throw Accelerator into a rage.

reminder that clones aren't people

>>160127227
That's true but a "lol he was lying, they're all the same thing and it doesn't actually matter how many of them died" would spit in literally everyone's face. It's valid I guess but it'd be really shit. Mikoto's love and Accelerator's redemption would mean nothing if it turns out the Sisters really aren't individuals

>>160127318
As as been said, it's possible this is true but it'd be a garbage route to go. It'd belittle most of Mikoto's and all of Accelerator's characterizations

>>160127339
Part of what it means to be an individual is to have awareness of yourself as an individual. In the beginning, there was only the Misaka Network. Only after the Sisters learned that they were individuals and not networked computational subunits did they become individuals.

Somehow I imagine a "yeah we're not individuals, the 10031 units you killed meant nothing because we're all the same person" would hurt Accelerator far more than "oh we all -Last Order included- secretly hate you and can't wait to see you die".

>>160125703
Dat belly.

>>160127467
At least "we all hate you, go fuck yourself" would make sense and be fair from his point of view. "Yep, no, we never actually cared about dying and it doesn't matter. You were tricked into feeling guilty and protecting us. We're just Aleister clay." would be pretty fucked up

>>160127467
Accelerator never talked to Misaka 1 because there was never really a Misaka 1 to talk to. Accelerator talked to the Misaka Network, which happened to be using terminal #1 at the time. What looks like clones finishing each other's sentences is not really multiple individuals finishing each other's sentences; it is simply a single person, the Misaka Network, multiplexing its output through multiple terminals, operating multiple bodies to a single end as naturally and easily as you are able to move both your hands at the same time.

Individuality only occurs when a Misaka unit is able to have independent thought patterns, as if your right hand were to gain a life of its own.

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Thor return when?

>>160111465
cute kid forgot her name was
child error or something, probably Aleister bastards daughters

>>160127624
This just further hints at the individual clones not nattering. Or if they do have some sort of individuality, it's because the true Will allowed it. Sort of like how you might make a choice that's against what's typical of you.

>>160127636
Hopefully never.

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>>160127636
>magic character that didn't get their magic nerfed
We will never see that motherfucker again

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>>160127636
Oi, Misakafag,
What the fuck really happen there?

>>160128476
>Misakafag
Wrong person, I'm one of the Thorfags.

If the clones really are just terminals of Will and any "individuality" they have is the Will allowing it (which is basically still "they're all Will" ) what does it mean for the clones? Would they be done with Touma's farce? Or would they cling to it harder? Could it mean they aren't meant to survive the series?

>>160128694
they will probably still be into him, considering even Will is

The dead Sisters are dead. Will can speak for them because she has their memories and knows what they would say, but they're a static existence. They have no capability to change or make new memories. They're alive in the same sense that if someone somehow copied your memories at the moment of your death you would still be "alive". It might be sort of you in a sense, but you're still dead. You're not developing any further as an individual.

>>160127923
HC already explained this. The clones don't follow human logic in terms of individuality. One person can only decide to do one thing. So if you had to decide whether you wanted to have fast food, or eat a snack, or cook your dinner, or just not eat anything, you could only do one of these things. The Misakas can do all of these things because they have multiple bodies.

It was also hinted when 10032 and Worst argued about hurting a cat. They were opposed to eachother but it also stated they're still the same person. When you kill a Misaka it's like cutting out part of a person's brain. The Network as a whole no longer has that Misaka's input.

>>160128694
It would at least deeply hurt Accelerator and Mikoto, assuming Mikoto even hears of the development. Touma would probably try to bullshit his way to everyone smiling, as usual. I feel like no matter what happens with the clones, it'll have some positive in it.

Example:
>Last Order does
>Accelerator loses his shit
>Will shows up
>"Calm down, she doesn't want to see you like this. I know, she's literally a part of me."
>"Hey fuck you, she was the only person that ever loved me."
>"Oh, fuck off with that. /I/ love you. Now get your whiny ass over to Touma and help him. We'll have a nice long chat later, but you have to go help Touma if you wanna see me again because of Touma loses, I get erased. And then you really will lose everyone that ever loved you, you self pitying fuck. See you soon."
>After a time skip, a moody Accelerator gets a knock on the door
>Its literally a tiny Misaka clone
>"Oh, come on, don't look at me like that. We said forever, right? Did you think you were getting rid of me that easy?"

Now I'm not saying that the above scenario is amazing or that it should happen. My point is I feel it'll have an overall happy tone even if we get some sad shit. I feel like this will be true for the entire series

>>160129298
But if the dead Misaka's input is based on the Network itself, what difference does it make?

>>160129365
Accel deal with LastOrder shit is repeated plot (again and again) come on Kamachi

>>160129446
Each Misaka is a different aspect of the same person. People are like that too, it's just unlike the Misakas only one exists at a time. For example, you and your six year old self are very different people. But in the end you're the same person. The Misakas are like that, it's just they can have many aspects at the same time.

>>160129534
We are likely in for it or the reverse (Last Order/Will needing to save Accelerator) at least one more time in the novels

>>160129446
>>160129298
I think that HC said that by having these individual experiences (hambagah vs no hambagah), each Misaka would eventually develop as an independent individual.

Once the units finally achieve individuality, the Network will go to sleep for the last time, never to wake again.

>>160116323
I heard about the Stiyl design thing too. I also heard that Haimura and Kamachi decided to keep Stiyl's design as-iscos they thought it was amusing.

>>160129534
>>160129633
Has something to do with Fremea (+fun-size Kakine beetle) then?

>>160129675
In addition it's shown Sisters can keep secrets from eachother. So they're already sorta independent, it's just hard to tell because most of them have basically the same personality.

>>160129706
14yo and his smoking habits
They don't like it, bad example

>>160129675
>spoiler

Now this is an interesting idea.

what if making the clones individuals is not only HC trying to right Aleister's wrongs but also shut down the Network and put a thorn in Aleister's side?

Eww a Railgun thread talking exclusively about Misaka, mob characters, and sisters. Y a w n

>>160129833
>implying that's not infinitely better than "muh powerlevels and thelema references"

>>160129833
Mob characters are usually more interesting than main characters anyway.

>>160129747
I'd like to see more individuality. I think we've seen only 3 or 4 (including Last Order and Worst) that aren't near identical in behavior

>>160129922
t. faggot who doesn't know his True Will

>>160129922
Thelema is great.

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>>160129833
Better, rather than talking about how slut'(s) is Kuroko and Saten was

>>160129936
Now that's a lie. If you don't mistake "indulges my fetishes" for "interesting", that is.

>>160129983
No, it's mind-numbling.

>>160130056
go back sleep mobile-tan

>>160129996
Gross

Where is my Junko-chan?

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Speaking of mob characters, will the Amakusa get any screentime in the upcoming arc? Is Tatemiya-san really dead?

>>160130192
In the Index manga? Only Itsuwa appears in Avignon.

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>>160130166
mobilposter where are you?

>>160129936
>yfw Mie-chan's progress into relevance is more natural than Misaka's MUH AAA

>>160130234
I mean the current LN arc. Touma and friends are going to Britain after all.

If the Sisters grow up, get married, and have children, all those children would be genetic siblings, but probably regard each other as cousins. If each Sister had only one child, that'd be over 9000 siblings. Imagine if each Sister had two or more kids.

>yfw Misaka Mikoto is the biological mother of nearly 20,000 children

None of the 20,000 kids are Touma's, but 2 of them are Accelerator's. Thanks, Last Order. Mikoto loves your choices

>>160130258
Mobileposter is actually the one who started this discussion and has been talking to himself for hours.

>>160130258
We pawned mobileposter off to the Symphogearfags. She will not bother us again.

>>160130280
Nah, I think Shiage and Accel show next volume

>>160130280
Probably not anytime soon.

>>160130277
What is much more weird than Misaka getting the AAA is the fact that Misaka has been able to be blissfully unaware of most things that happen in Academy City even after her step into the dark side for this long. It is genuinely fucking weird that Misaka, as far as anyone can tell, sits on her ass and does nothing during Battle Royale, when literally everyone she knows other than her parents is involved. And she doesn't even take an interest.

>>160130482
She's kept away from it all because she's the poster girl for success at AC. The worst she's seen is Sisters, and she only saw the tip of that. She doesn't get why Accelerator wore a monster mask. She doesn't know why ITEM existed or how it fell apart. She doesn't even know Remnant/Awaki wasn't even the first time the clones were in danger AFTER the experiment was cancelled. She doesn't know the clones are still in danger

>>160130277
>>160130482
MisaXMisa has liquid Railgun
Mie-chan has liquid Diamond
(related?)

>>160130482
>yfw she has been Archetype Controlled to be so

>>160130911
I'd think this too but why didn't it work on keeping her away from the AAA? The Sisters I could see Aleister needing her to get involved with.

>>160130632
Then she should really be fucking FINDING OUT, shouldn't she? One of her friends was attacked by an insane sniper and rescued by a bomb-throwing maniac. Another of her friends almost got her head stomped to pulp by Academy City's #2. Her roommate was probably at Judgment dealing with shit exploding all over the city, her littlest sister was almost harvested for parts, and the person who almost killed her was hired by the city to rescue orphans or some shit. Also, her boyfriend was in the hospital after destroying France.

This sounds like the kind of shit that you should maybe doing a little bit of research into. You're a fucking mega hacker! As far as I can tell she never even got to the bottom of exactly what the fuck happened even during 0930. And that was forever ago in the timeline.

>>160130911
Now this would actually make sense.

>>160130995
>>160131037
>everyone (except Misaki) is in Touma's room discussing how to get Shiage and Accel with middle schooler Aleister
>they starts talking but Misaka has no idea what the fuck he is talking about
>Aleister casually mentions she used Archetype Controller to be dimwitted regarding magic
>yfw entire volume is about Misaka again and how the gang tries to cure her of her dimwittedness

>>160131127
Kamisato Arc►Aleister Crowley Arc►Mikoto 'try' to understand Magic Arc►Mikoto BTFO Arc►The Ded of Misaka Mikoto Arc

>>160131037
Mikoto has a lot of things she should easily be more knowledgeable about. This is the main complaint I have in regards to how Mikoto is handled by Kamachi. I see the potential Mikoto has, but it seems all Kamachi intends to do with Mikoto is ship bait and vague plot hints that are way less than what she should get considering her talents. Okay fine, have her slobber over Touma if you must, but can't she also know more about her clones and the state of the city she's the face of?

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>>160131292
trash

>>160131037
That's not really a Misaka-specific thing though. No one really talks to eachother in this series. They only get enough information to solve the problem right in front of them. You can even see this at the start of the Railgun manga. Touma stops the graviton explosion and doesn't really give a shit about what was actually going on. He just walks off.

>>160131964
This is why Kamachi should stop introducing new characters and start focusing on old ones. I get that new characters can do good for a series but we already have more than enough of those that aren't even relevant anymore.

>>160130849
She is ISP baby of Mikoto and Misaki.
It was a project related to the sister project. They gathered data from the isp baby project related to cloning also they play with growth acceleration and memory alteration.

>>160111465
Because Hanakana was literally the hottest seiyuu at the time so they had to force her in.

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>>160131668
>can't she also know more about her clones and the state of the city she's the face of?
This is what actualy bothers me the most about the whole thing. This page is one of my favorite things in the entire series, 10032 to Mikoto: "Please help me discover the meaning of this thing called life." I think I might have actually cried at it. And after that?

Nothing.

>>160133697
Someone refresh my memory, how do the 5 clones that stayed in AC live? Like where do they sleep and eat and such

>>160129801
>smoking habit
As far as I know, the smoking part is entirely intentional.

>>160133765
I think all the clones in Academy City still live in Heaven Canceler's hospital.

>>160133697
>yfw Will confronts Misaka
>shits on her for neglecting her Sister

>>160133697
>Dolly arc raises hopes that Mikoto will become roped into clone business again courtesy of Misaki
>instead we get more slut brigade, DRAGON ARM, and Black Jack loli

>>160126606
You clearly forgot a few details in the series.
Fiamma pushed for the war to fix the fucked up elements and the fucked up elements were directly caused by alister and AC. This also means AC can be blamed for the english civil war.
>Not that many ppl die in AC lol.
Dude. The first thing anyone from the dark side notes when they see a Touma adventure is how ridiculous it is that people didn't die every step of the way.
>Aleister/AC really had nothing to do with Othinus doing that, except maybe IB existing.
Refer to earlier. Alister's fucking around is what got Othinus off her ass to bother in the first place.
>In a war, stuff like esper development machines, drugs, teachers, documents, etc. are going to get destroyed. The remaining stuff would get distributed among the winners, and I doubt they could get complete information. Esper powers likely use Aleister magic and no other country has replicated it before. It'd be like when they tried to reconstruct Tree Diagram with only fragments.
Yes. Because there is not a single scientist in all of AC that understands how to make an esper despite mass producing them. You're trying extra hard for everyone to act really fucking stupid when there's a massive amount of loot to raid and a war just started due to unethical treatment of espers.
THhey were only reaching the point where they want to dissect espers in the first place because (as seen in liberal arts city and the gemstone SS) crowley kills everyfuckingone that might figure something out for "humanitarian reasons."

>>160131037
She operates on Shonen Jump logic. Once the boss has been beaten in battle they don't show up again. She missed the battles , ergo she shouldn't bother learning more. At best it was a side arc to train up the non-main characters.

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>>160133825

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>>160133697
They talk about it at the beginning and at the end of the Daihaseisai arc.

Do you think they ever actually went to that beach?

>>160135070
Mikoto and 10777 went to a beach in Russia and fished for Gekota straps.

>>160120426
>Accel wrecks her shit and displays that she's weak. She goes suicidal.
She doesn't really go suicidal though, she does it because she thinks it's the best way to save the clones. Just like in the Daihasei festival where she tries to compress her deathball so it takes her out but doens't destroy the city. Her problem is that she always puts other people's lives before hers.

>>160135224
I'm pretty sure that doesn't count.

>>160135330
It's too cold for the beach already. Don't worry though, they'll go to the beach next year in the summer. So about 20 years from now till we see that.

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>>160133849
Only
Misaka 10032,
Misaka 10039,
Misaka 13577,
and Misaka 19090

>>160123687
"Quali cose hai fatto" means "what things did you do"
Fucking nips

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>>160123143
>1439x808
Idiot.

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>>160135446
ups, I forget the other one from Accel Manga
Misaka 10046

>>160135446
Should have taken the mask.

>>160130258

Can Junko join SNIFF?

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>>160135566

what a fug is this??
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/2507867878

>>160137912
People who had been punched by Touma's Chart, It was made around 2014.

>>160137912
Chart of people Touma punched by month separated by sex. He's been busy.

>>160137912
>>160138328
It's missing a few people even if you don't count the later volumes.

>>160131037
You seem to be neglecting that Mikoto as busy during Battle Royale dealing with Kuriba or other stuff. She can't be everyhere at once It's like blaming Touma for not helping with Level Upper, letting Frenda die, etc.
>This sounds like the kind of shit that you should maybe doing a little bit of research into. You're a fucking mega hacker!
Mikoto does hack the Bank in index SS 2 but Uiharu bricks it. Also, it's not as if Touma or Accel or really anyone besides Crowley knows the full picture of 0930.

>>160133697
This isn't just directed for you alone, but also the others attempting to complain about Mikoto (*cough* arguments like "Mikoto didn't care about Worst existing"). Please at least use a modicum of reasoning before complaining about something. Just because something is not explicitly shown on screen DOES NOT mean that it didn't happen. This is doubly true for the parts of the LN not reached by the spinoffs yet. Mikoto obviously visits the Sisters in the hospital and trusts HC to take care of them, what more do you want? You want Kamachi to pack the timeline even more densely with SoL stuff?

So is Frenda's verbal tick "basically" or "in the end"? I've seen both used. Which is right?

>>160139466
>結局
In the end is a bit more accurate.

>>160115000
There's a fair chance he could end up older than his fairy after this arc

>>160139778
>oldest guy in the world
>not into yonger girls
I think he's gonna have to lower his standards a little bit if he wants to not die a virgin.

>>160139525

So "basically" isn't wrong, just more crude? Shame, I liked that more to be honest.

Railgun SS3 will have Mikoto beating GRS tier magicians

>>160139466
>>160139525
In the end, it doesn't even matter.

>>160115000
>Touma's not into girls
Should've left it at that.

>>160140230
You must be forgetting the part where he wanted to dick the norse goddess while running from the world

>>160140230
Fuck off, Ellen.

>>160140270
That's because it's actually a guy.

>>160140270
norse god*

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For anyone curious about the mobage, they will appearantly be making some big announcements and giving people details about what changed since the test and new "promotions" at Chinajoy

they will be making a big move there
http://bilibili.16163.com/thread-3179895-1-1.html

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>>160140192

You motherfucker

>>160140361
When is that?

>>160140230
>>Touma's not into girls
>Should've left it at that.
More like Kamachi can't really decide with who Touma should start his first true relationship, by Touma own words he wants a busty pretty girl, so I would want to see Kamachi growing some balls and actually cut Touma harem anticks and make him date a girl like that while saying no to all other who are after him.

>>160140192
Too soon.

>>160140390
look at the thread anon
7月27日~7月29日

>>160140391
With what time? He barely has enough time to sleep since GRS arc started

>>160140391
Now why would Touma get what he wants? your best bet his him ending up with someone average or someone directly the opposite of his pushed interests

>>160140566
>someone directly the opposite of his pushed interests
Damn Touma will end with a guy.

>>160111465
For doujins ;)

>>160140361
They might even tease another volume, first it was OT14 on a video, Kanzaki SS at that last festival that announced the limited beta, so now what?

>>160140630
or someone like Lessar or Kuroko

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>>160140630
So Mikoto does have a chance.

>>160140655
Are there even any actual doujins with Haruue at all?

>>160140391

Same, but lets be honest: When does Touma have time to date? He barely has a day to himself. He can barely make it to school, let alone maintain a steady relationship. It wouldn't be fair to the girl, and I could see Touma not going for anyone/rejecting girls for that reason alone.

I think that's why I'm not as bothered by the endless harem stuff like I am with other series. Most of the time, it's not resolved because the main character is an indecisive fag. In Touma's case, I think he'd be fine with just about anyone even remotely attractive that cared for him (busty onee-sans being preferable of course), but he simply doesn't have the time. There is so much going on in his life that it's just not a priority. It also helps that romance isn't exactly a prominent aspect in the LNs for him and is more played for laughs.

>>160140145
Eh it's kind of wrong/less precise but it gets the basic point across. "After all" might be the best translation

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>>160140566

Hence why the KamiKuro meme ship is oddly attractive. It would fit his Fukou da to a tee. Even more than death in my opinion, since death would be an easy way to go comparatively.

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>>160140658

>>160140873

Man, translation must be a bitch. 3 different interpretations for something so small.