Nanoha Detonation

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Giving me Symphogear vibes

>>160098962
I think Tsuzuki has finally lost it.

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>>160098962
>>160098999
>B-B-BUT THE FOURTH MOVIE WILL BE STRIKERS
>THEY ARE A TRILOGY THEY WOULD NEVER EVER SKIP IT

>>160098962
The second part of the movie, duh. They already said that the movie was separated into 2 parts a long time ago.

>>160099594
I remember the phrasing being that they were two distinct movies rather than one split into two.

That has to be the funniest name ever.

>>160099594
I thought that it was three for some reason. I wonder if the plot will be more of a follow up to Reflection or an entirely separate incidence.

>>160098999
Nanoha's new haircut was a mistake.

>>160099661
>>160099688
It said that they were planning to make only one movie but Tsuzuki wrote two many scenarios so they decided to separate it into two.

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Fuuka will get her own movie next

>>160099956
Probably not. It would be nice to have a general Vivid movie though.

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>>160099956
NEVER EVER, just like that StrikerS movie that was t-totally going to happen, guys!!

NANOHA IS BACK

>>160098962
Nanoha finally fulfills her childhood dream.
She becomes a spaceship capable of orbital bombardment.

>>160099847
So does that mean he had too many ideas so they made two separate movies to split between them, or that he wanted to do too much for Reflection and there wasn't enough room, so Detonation will be Reflection 2: Starlight Boogaloo?

>>160098962
Sounds edgy.

Am I only one who stopped caring?

>>160100143
Nah, plenty of people dropped out of the Nanoha boat over the years after all that's been happening.

Hopefully some of them hop back on with these movies. Reflection is going to be spectacular, I can tell.

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>>160100042
the materials are in the movie?

>>160098962
Fitting name for a dying franchise

>>160100184
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8emDqgw3yTU

>>160098999
They went full mecha musume. I guess that the Symphogear bucks were too tempting.

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>>160100184
Yeah and with really cool redesigns (except Yuri, what the fuck happened there).

>>160100085
Who knows. It said that he started writing many different individual scenarios before even coming up with an overall plot so it could be anything.

>>160100273
Nanoha has always been inspired by mecha designs. And force predates symphogear by years.

This really feels like Nanoha : The Pandering

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>>160100273
>implying that's a bad thing

Now we just need Yukarin to sing in battle.

>>160100296
Not the answer I wanted to see. I'm really hoping Reflection doesn't end in a cliffhanger, that would be mean.

At least, we get more Nanoha goodness so I wouldn't be too upset if it did end like that.

>>160100359
I never said that it was bad. This shit is going to be crazy in all the right ways. I am glad to see that Bardiche is going full zanber form for the whole movie.

>>160100279
Never thought I'd say yuri was terrible in Nanoha but here we are.

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>>160100408
>Bardiche is finally going to talk again
GET FUCKING SET

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>>160100273

That's far from full mecha musume man.

>>160100273
>Symphogear bucks
Considering the Tsuzuki and Kaneko are good friends, I wouldn't say its because of Symphogear bucks.

Besides, Nanoha has been getting more /m/ throughout the years.
Symphogear AXZ recently has pretty /m/ transformation sequences though

>>160100238

That looks low budget for a movie. Far worse than first two.

>>160100042
wait, that's like today in Japan... shit, time to avoid Nanoha threads for a few months.

>>160100639
It's sad that it looks so cheap. I wonder if Detonation will be as polished as the first two Nanoha movies were. We don't need more Takamachi dining room scenes, but more on figure characters would be ideal.

>>160100653
Do we know BDs when?

>>160100639
They did have to work on two movies, plus that dumb abortion from a while back. But it's hardly so bad that you can't look past it, don't be nitpicky.

>>160100695
Next year, although it's getting some screenings in the US in October:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2017-07-01/eleven-arts-to-screen-a-silent-voice-nanoha-reflection-films-in-u.s-theaters-in-october/.118311

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>>160100736
>Next year
What the fuck do I do now

>>160100791
We can't even talk about the movie for a long time sadly, unless we get lucky enough for someone to sub a camrip.

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>>160099594
Yeah, weren't it just supposed to be two-part thing? Meaning, there will be a cliffhanger at the end, meh.

>>160099956
I said it last thread but the movies seem to be about milking lolicon otaku money, so I'd say that probably eliminates out StrikerS and Vivid Strike both.

>>160100847
The first two movies didn't get camrips, did they?

>>160100856
>Meaning, there will be a cliffhanger at the end, meh.
Stop talking like we know that. We won't for some more hours.
>the movies seem to be about milking lolicon otaku money
No, the movies are about bringing the A's quality back with the big guns.

>>160100884
First one had a camrip that got subbed, we had to wait for the blu-rays for movie 2nd.

>>160100672
>I wonder if Detonation will be as polished as the first two Nanoha movies were.
The fact that they're saying it's coming out next year almost certainly means that that's not the case. They probably switched to cheaper animation in part so that they could manage this schedule of releasing them both within a year of each other. I would've much preferred if they'd taken their time to produce something better, even if it had just been one movie instead.

>>160100273

There are no Symphogear bucks unless they have most of the cast sing. Besides, I'm not sure the idea works as well with a movie as with a tv show since they release the cd:s as it's airing.

BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN

>>160100639
Who cares, the girls turned from cute lolis to shitty in-between young teens, the franchise will be fucked for ever.

>>160101038
>Implying hebephilia isn't the true patrician fetish

>>160101024
I think anon was joking.

>make a tournament spinoff for a character that's never been a huge fan favorite
>spend close to a decade essentially treating it like season 4

How do you fuck up for such an extended period of time? They should have gone back to the drawing board on how to move forward with the franchise probably five years ago, if not sooner.

At this point, I would promote the end of Vivid in 2018 (hopefully getting some of the people who've dropped out back in), then at the end of the final chapter, make a big announcement for a huge fresh start with a new TV anime season that looks A-grade non-"second tier spinoff" as fuck.

>>160101015
>brushing off the movies because of a few bad frames which will probably not even be there in the BDs
Why don't you just say you don't like the movies and leave it at that

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>>160100951
>Stop talking like we know that. We won't for some more hours.
All the things in staff interview talked about two-part movie, not about two separate stories, AFAIK. So that's reasonable to expect. And it was known as Reflection collectivelly (both parts) for a time, that is another sign. First will tie into the second one.

>No, the movies are about bringing the A's quality back with the big guns.
No matter how you call it they want to appeal to lolicons, possibly thinking those are the most lucrative audience for this.

>>160101128
>How do you fuck up for such an extended period of time?
It made them bucks for cheap so I don't think they consider this huge mishandling of the franchise a bad thing.

>>160101071
It can be if done right, and not their previous designs, but like stretched out vertically into stick people.

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>>160101147
LRD may have been right.

>>160101147
Okay anon you can lay off the crystal ball now. When the nips tell us there's a cliffhanger end, which they inevitable will if there is, then you can start whining aobut it.

>No matter how you call it they want to appeal to lolicons
No shit, but that's not the main point. That's the main point of Vivid, where they can pander to both lolicons and people with shit taste with the littlest effort.

>>160101128
The Vivid manga volumes keep selling decently, so they haven't had an incentive to drop the whole thing yet. I imagine that they will stop the manga when the timeline of Vivid catches up with Strike.

>>160101128
Vivid got pretty good after a while, then it dropped right back into meaningless SoL bs.

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>>160101275
Don't be so defensive over slightest things, B-kun.

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>>160100359
>Now we just need Yukarin to sing in battle.

and added Based Megumi to next season too

>>160101147
>>160100856
Yeah, you're retarded, they don't care about lolicons anymore, and vice versa.
Look at the new designs.

>>160101416
>defensive
What? I'm not the one pretending I can see the future.

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>>160100042
>materials
into the fucking trash it goes
Im fucking done with this franchise

>have all those canon characters that were unflushed and unexplored
>lets focus on developing recolors lol

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>>160101579
>have all those canon characters that are filler garbage and nobody cares about
>let's focus on the ones already proven to be good and expand them further
Buh-bye, anon. Don't let the door hit ya on your way out.

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>>160101509
You get triggered whenever you think something has less then religiously-revering thoughts about the movie. Give it a rest dude, else you won't have a good time even in the most dreamed and ideal thread you you could imagine for yourself.

Protip: The movie can't possibly be completely flawless because nothing is.

>>160101750
Don't bother trying to reason with him. He calls people shitposters even when they agree with him. He's already been caught samefagging so he won't be satisfied until threads are nothing but him replying to himself about how perfect Reflection is.

>>160101176
>>160101286

At its apex, Nanoha was fast approaching the big leagues. It would never have the normie appeal of Type Moon, but it could have been in the tier below that as one of the big enduring names in the industry for sure.

I don't know how any company could be happy with their flagship falling from being a massive cash cow to not even being able to sell 3k copies of a new season. They had every reason to pull the plug on the momentum killer.

>>160101750
>You get triggered whenever you think something has less then religiously-revering thoughts about the movie.
You what now? All I'm saying it's that whining that the movie has a cliffhanger ending when it hasn't even aired yet is dumb. I fucking agree with you 100% that a cliffhanger ending would be bad but I'm waiting for the actual movie to start talking about the ending like it's fact.
>Protip: The movie can't possibly be completely flawless because nothing is.
What thread are you reading? Nobody said or implied that here.

>>160101866

Franchise still makes a lot of money with figs and other merch.

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>>160101579
Not too thrilled either, because I'd like the originals to get screentime and cool moments instead, but on the other hand, they have their fans (other normal fans beside the autist). Maybe it is okay if those guys get their reward too. It's probably not a good idea to put them into canon, but what can we do, really.

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>>160098962
>Detonation
It has finally happened.

>>160101866
Yeah, the treatment of the franchise after A's is fucking bizarre. I don't like StrikerS, but I can get StrikerS, and if the seasons after that had been more of the same (StrikerS) then I could totally understand that too. StrikerS sold well and going to where the money is makes enough sense. But instead we got Vivid and Force, both of which might as well being their own separate franchises and it's just strange why they would ever greenlight that. I guess they thought "oh it's that tsuzuki person" and passed the proposals without even looking at them.

>>160102039
>It's probably not a good idea to put them into canon
Why? Do too many good characters spoil the broth?

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>>160102039
Wait, for a moment I thought that was Signum. Oh well, screw organizing.

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>>160100334
>And force predates symphogear by years
Really? When was Symphogear S1 released?

>>160102289
Force: 2009
Symphogear S1: 2012

>>160102330
Damn. Symphogear was 2 years after Signum ruined her career. It's been a long time.

>>160102125

I can see the spinoffs, even though I groaned when StrikerS was airing and people correctly stated that Vivio was going to be the next protagonist.

What's fucking retarded is that they didn't have a proper S4 coming down the pipeline (or if they did, we never heard about it), and that they just sat on their hands for years as Vivid drained the franchise's momentum.

>>160102384
And 3 years after the series jumped off the deep end.

Symphogear managed to keep itself steady, at least.

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>>160098999
It looks more nepgear than symphogear if you ask me.

>>160102428
Vivid and Force were supposed to be the collective season 4. Now why they thought it was a good idea to have a manga continuation for what was an anime-only franchise up until that point, let alone ones that are so detached from everything else they make the first season look like the outlier, I guess we'll never know.

>>160098999

I don't like this. At all.

They should be introducing different magic systems that look and work different. Not slowly turning everything into tiny mechas.

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>>160102614
Nepgear is cute!

>>160102774

I remember that, but I was holding out hope that it was a transition while they made plans for the mainline television series.

lolnope

>>160102934
Weren't they doing that for Amitie and Kyrie in this movie? I recall some discussion about that when they revealed their new Reflection designs.

>>160103024

They are using generic techno magic.

>>160101866
Did Tsuzuki give up on Nanoha while it was still popular or something? Seems like a dumb move

>>160103205
More like his attention span wasn't long enough. Now he has regained interest, hence these two movies.

>>160102934
>Not slowly turning everything into tiny mechas
You are like ten years too late to be complaining about that.

>>160103205
From the interviews it was mentioned that they were waiting several key staff were busy with different projects, but they never got freed up so they changed them when they couldn't wait any longer.

>>160102934
There's absolutely nothing wrong with turning everything into tiny mechas.
This applies regardless of genre.

>>160103561
>There's absolutely nothing wrong with turning everything into tiny mechas.
What about turning giant mechas into tiny mechas?

>>160103561

Mecha is the shittiest anime genre.

>>160103672
wrong

>>160103545
How the fuck do you get busy for the next 10 years

>>160103593
Even better.

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will we see them - well, next year - or are they always in no deban village?

>>160103924
I'd be honestly shocked if they didn't get to do something in Reflection.

>>160103924
Arf maybe, yuno imposible after that they cut most of his scenes in 2nd.

How come we barely see the characters from A's in promotional material?

>>160104117
Same reason we barely see the characters from S1 in A's promotional material.

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>>160104117
Because it's the GoD's cast time to shine.

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>>160104117
They try to avoid another backlash like the massive one that happened in FORCE with Signum so they're showing as less of the Wolkenritter as possible to keep their obvious jobbing a secret.

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>>160104254
Yuri's new design is DUUUMB.

>>160104254
>Materials are here
Prepare for no one else being relevant ever again.

>>160104437
Remember when Yuuno and Arf literally disappeared from A's because of the Wolkenritter?

>>160104254
The fuck is that blatant Fate repaint

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>>160104254
You now realize that it's been four years since the movie was announced.

>>160104254
Wait why is Fate blue now

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>>160104615
Fate has always been blue, only her eyes changed to a different share of red.

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>tfw Nanoha franchise will never be as good as A's
feels bad man

>>160104551
>>160104615
We heard you the first time, anon.

>>160104704
>Fate has always been blue
And there's nothing we can do.

>>160104725
>implying Reflection and Detonation won't be every bit as good as A's
They should be around S1 level, at the very least.

>>160104541
No. I remember Yuuno facing Vita valiantly and Arf sustaining a constant rivalry with Zafira over the course of Mid f the season.

This is what happens when you try to replace the show with the movies.

>>160104814
It was sarcasm.

So Materials are basically alternate universe versions of the main cast? Do they have something interesting to them or are they just a lazy device to introduce new characters without taking risks?

>>160105148
They are basically different characters that reuse the designs and combat styles of the 3 Aces.

>>160105148
>So Materials are basically alternate universe versions of the main cast?
More like evil twins, of a sort. Though we won't know for sure until the movie happens.
>Do they have something interesting to them
Different personalities. Also they look really cool.

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>>160104604
>people gloating
That original anon just wanted what would likely be the best, though.

>>160105254
>no problem with gloating about Vivid tho

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>>160104802
They will be at best at the level of the movies.

S1 TV has completely different magic, which is not repeatable, that would be miracle and nobody is actually going to aim for that, it will be more mainstream.

>>160105372
Good thing the movies are still good, then. Actually is going to be better than them because Reflection isn't a 6-hour anime forcibly compressed into less than half that time.

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>>160105254
>Dat Stern

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Anyone wanna edit this?
Scans + txt translation file for willing here.
>http://www2.zippyshare.com/v/iNqDU7fr/file.html
Shame Mekimeki never did full adult Nanoha book.

>>160105254
my immortal dick is on fire and can't be stopped

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>>160105485
I saved a Load Dearche too, but the pic is not as interesting sadly.

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>>160105485
>>160105647
>having lewd thoughts about the Exterminator of Starlight, the Assailant of Thunderblade and the Ruler of Darkness

>Detonation

So two things will happen:
>Nanoha blows up a planet
>She'll detonate her Starlight Breaker inside of Fate to give Vivio a little sister

>>160105709
Clearly the true final boss will be the big brother of the giant robot from the trailers.

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>>160105704
Indeed, what caveman taste when there is a Signum few pics away.

>>160105861
Signum is for cool, not for lewd.

>>160098962
I really can't give less of a shit about this franchise by this point.

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>>160106027
Your loss.

>>160106077
These character designs are embarrassingly bad.

>>160105582
I would've gladly done this if you had just posted the raw. But it would be a ton of redrawing and typesetting work just to eventually produce something that almost no one would care about anymore since you already gave them a translation.

>>160105709
>Nanoha blows up a planet
I want Nanoha to have a Final Flash/Instant Kamehameha moment.

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My waifu > your waifu

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>>160106103
>my taste is embarrassingly bad
kay

>>160106262
You either are or aren't Nanoha, regardless, as per tradition I challenge you to a Children's Card Game to decide who gets your waifu.

>>160106262
Control your thirst, Nanoha. There's enough time for you and Fate later at your home.

>>160105582
This looks pretty good, I hope someone can edit it.
You can also try asking on the /u/ thread.

>>160106263
You know you don't have to suck this franchise off for everything it does. You're allowed to be critical of it.

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>>160106262
P2 Fate > P1 Fate > that shit you posted

>>160106401
So? I see nothing wrong with what they're showing us with Reflection here besides Yuri's terrible redesign.

>>160106413
>tfw lolifags are the reason we're never going to have a proper conclusion to this story
Thanks autists.

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>>160106513
>tfw adultfags are the reason the series jumped the shark
Thanks autists.

captcha: Walmart FLORIAN

>>160104704
>The Dress bullshit

>>160106513
I know right? Why is people so obsessed with the status quo. Obsessive fanboys tend to be too afraid of any change even though the story points towards characters questioning their purpose and following their dreams which implies a progression to the future.

If people want static characters they should stay with Looney Tunes.

>>160106624
Why is their hair glowing?

>>160106869
Victoria introduced glowing hair in ViVid anime.

>>160106869
Why isn't your hair glowing

>>160099556
If you're the same guy, I'm just gonna tell you. No one said the next movie will be StrikerS, we all knew Reflection was gonna be 2 parts.

>>160106845
>defends Lyrical Nanoha "literally nothing ever happens" Vivid
>complains about status quo

>>160105901
>Signum
>>>/e/2094886

captcha: Corona Eingang.With a down arrow.

>>160106986
Even Vivid was better than this.

>>160105901
It's not lewd. She's facing Shamal during completely legit very medical lewd. Exam I mean.

>>160106869
Part of the Florian magitek involves looking like a TRON character. It's an AoE.

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>>160106935
>n-no we were just pretending that StrikerS was totally going to be the next movie! no one ACTUALLY believed that!

S1, S2, StrikerS, Movie 1, Movie 2.

No reason to bother with anything else.

>>160107058
>status quo is bad! fucking lolifags and their lolis!
>But nothing ever happens in Vivid and you defend that?
>fuck off it's good!

>>160107039
>Corona Eingang
I need this in my life.

>>160107164
I don't think you even know what status quo means. I don't think you even watched Vivid.

>>160107143
*S1, S2, Reflection, Detonation and the first Innocent. Optionally Movie 1st and Movie 2nd (though there's no real reason when the original seasons exist) and BoA and GoD.

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>>160106935
You are right bat that's bitchfag, forget him. Technically he is ban evading but since his posts here are not offending, let him ramble alone or something.

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>>160106986
ViVid is part of the problem. We need the story following Nanoha and the adult cast again on their epic missions to save the Multiverse while we explore their hopes and dreams because, you know, people of all ages can have dreams.

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>>160107262
>not all of innocent
Innocents > innocent

>>160107303
All I want is one final movie where we bring back the main cast and Nanoha and Fate get a kiss. This franchise is going to die and they should at least go out on a high note.

even if strikers was movie'd out it wouldn't resemble the series much anyway. the movies are supposed to be made in-universe, so they'd feature revisionism to cover up shit that makes the gov't (TSAB) look bad. most everything involved with dr. scaryeddie's uprising was the TSAB's fault, after all.

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>>160107303
>adultfag opinions
Nope.

Keep crying about muh adult Nanoha as much as you like, Reflection and Detonation will rightfully trounce anything they could have ever done.

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>>160107398
I'm okay with that.

>>160107406
>even if strikers was movie'd out it wouldn't resemble the series much anyway.
StrikerS was shit so that's a good thing. But the StrikerS movie will never EVER happen so who cares.

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>>160107397
Bitch-kun started to hate InnocentS when Einhart and Vivio appeared there. Not making that up. He didn't even know about it in advance like all us relativelly-recent-fags who saw it in raws when the chapters came out

>>160107398
>This franchise is going to die and they should at least go out on a high note.
The franchise could end at Detonation and they would go out on the highest possible note.

Also it's not going to die, you silly. Not as long as it keeps making money.

>>160107428
>They'll all job to the materials
>Spent the rest of both movies fawning over them and talk about how much better they are than everyone else
>rightfully trounce anything they could have ever done
I'll be here to laugh when it happens.

>>160107520
How the fuck are you this delusional?

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>>160107303
>people of all ages can have dreams
But only lolis are allowed to make their dreams come true. Being a oldhag means giving up.

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>>160107512
Innocent in general receives a lot of undeserved hate.

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>>160107638
Not for Nanoha, never for Nanoha.

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>>160107795
She started as a badass soldier and ten years later she is housewife with a deskjob.
She gave up.

>>160107397
Too bad instead of focusing on loli Subaru and loli Teana and the loli cyborgs they started dumping whatever flavor of the month shit they could think into InnocentS.

That's why Innocent will forever be superior and the only one of the two worth experiencing. They had a central idea (AU with the old cast + the GoD girls as regular middle schoolers competing in virtual reality card games) and stuck to it perfectly. The result is a cute alternate look at the world and conflicts of Nanoha which is really charming.

>>160107564
First I've heard of someone laughing at the person who is proving them wrong, but okay. I guess adultfags are like that.

>>160107571
Thinking that they aren't going to let go of Nanoha when they can keep milking her for more cash is being delusional? How? Do you not know how this works?

>>160106027
I can't tell if it's because of the franchise or the threads that it produce

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>>160108009
>Deskjob
Read the manga before commenting. Nanoha will only abandon the sky when she gets physically impossible to reach it again.

>>160107795
>acting like you enjoy that Nanoha likes fighting to protect what she holds dear
>despise the movies, where Nanoha finally gets the chance to keep doing just that after years of being a background character doing funny faces

>>160108143
Most likely the franchise. It doesn't give you much motivation to continue following when it's done nothing with itself for the last 5 years. But with the movies fast approaching, maybe we'll see an uptick in activity and popularity.

>>160108231
I despise the new movies because Nanoha will get inevitably sidelined. The materials were a mistake.

>>160108349
I'm curious. Were you expecting the movie to not have villains?

>>160108349
Oh hi, crystal ball anon. Can you tell me what the plot of Detonation is going to be about while you're here?

>>160098962
Oh there will be a detonation alright. In my pants.

>>160108174
It is established in the manga that she has a deskjob now because of her injuries after the fight in the cradle and because she needs to take care of Vivio.
She can still fight, as we see in the exhibition match, but she is clearly pass her prime now and is provably waiting to retire so she can enjoy her family life.

>>160108389
He's just trying to force a meme. Remember the AU, non-canon, comedy-oriented spinoff Innocent? There, the Materials show up and get talked about positively since they're pretty much part of the protagonist group. Obviously, this translates to every single material about the, uh, Materials automatically being about jerking them off and talking about how great they are.

>>160108389
>Villains
You're wrong. The Materials aren't villans, it's Nanoha and Co. the ones who are misguided but the Materials will beat some sense into them then recruit their help to take care of filler and some inert big structure while they take care of the true antagonist.

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>>160108009
Ten years later is when StrikerS happens. And 6 years later is Force. Basically she still starlight breakers against OP opponents.

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>>160108468
>It is established in the manga that she has a deskjob now because of her injuries after the fight in the cradle and because she needs to take care of Vivio.
Weak bait. That was only during the fee years following the craddle battle. Sound Stages and the Vita special chapter stablish that Nanoha is back to be a field combat instructor also any and all fights she participates in ViVid is under limiters. Finally Nanoha is expected to lose around 8% of her total power but she's stupidly powerful anyways do she can dish out plenty of badass with 92% of her total power output as we saw in FORCE and would see in her next serious battle if the story would ever dare to follow her TSAB adventures again.

Nanoha's prowess is not only about strength, she's already a seasoned veterans with enough strength, youth and skill to last another couple of decades. I bet that when she gets older and her power decays even more she'll become a badass AA rank grandma kicking S-rankers just like her teacher Fern Corrado.

>>160108784
>Basically she still starlight breakers against OP opponents.
Thanks to the movies. I can't wait to see what kind of thing Nanoha gets to blow up that they have to call it "Detonation".

>>160108819
>Weak bait.
He's kind of right, though. Nanoha doesn't get to do anything now but to you this somehow translates to still following her dreams of being a badass space soldier? Then when the movies appear and she's actually being a badass space soldier for a change, that's a bad thing?

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>>160108839
Movies are just interquels, which is better than spinoff/reboot, but still nowehere near a true continuation. Continuation by definition follows in the future, like Force.

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>>160108911
>dreams of being a badass space soldier
Watch the anime again anon. Nanoha's dream was never about being a soldier. It was always about fulfilling a purpose and help those who are lost. And she fulfills said dream with every decision she makes. Fighting in epic battles, being a combat instructor and being Vivio's mom all follow the same logic and are part of the dream she's living and as her future adventures show it didn't stopped with Vivio.

Only problem is that Tsuzuki wants the focus on other people now but Nanoha is still out there in the sky guiding those lost children.

>>160109025
The movies are a true continuation. They are just not a continuation of your favorite manga of all time, Force, so you don't like them. That's too bad since they seem to include those things in Nanoha that have been neglected and that you seem to like (like Nanoha being allowed to do things).

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>>160108784
>>160108819
>force

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>>160108911
Her dream was to be a teacher guiding others though - why do you think she became instructor? Check the As soundstages, she literally says that there. They talk with Fate about their futures there hah (9 years olds).

>>160109095
I used those words because you used those words. Don't pin your inconsistency in the name of badmouthing the movies on me.

>It was always about fulfilling a purpose and help those who are lost.
And what is she doing in Reflection? Or does it not count because it's not your waifu adult Nanoha?

>nanoha finally coming back
>fighting against magical girl evil ryu and violent ken
why was this allowed?

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>>160109170

>>160109115
They aren't. They are not even real stories, they are propaganda.

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>>160109212
At least Nanoha is coming back after all these years. If she has to fight clones for that to happen, then so be it.

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>>160109115
The movies are a parallel universe with their own origin story. The story that started on October 1, 2004 is the one that continues on FORCE, ViVid and (as it pains me to admit) Vivid Strike.

>>160108332
The problem is that these movies really give you no sense of progression. They're not part of the main line we've been following for all these years and these new characters are like something out of every terrible filler arc. Why would anyone care?

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>>160109239
>S1 and A's never happened
As expected of someone who dislikes the movies.

>>160109306
>muh irrelevant spinoffs
Nah. The story of A's is being continued here with something real rather than a timeskip to facilitate moving away from anything that made Nanoha what she was.

Reflection is the first true continuation we've had since A's.

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>>160109366
Basically this.

>>160109397
>moving away from anything that made Nanoha what she was
aka I only care about this franchise because I want to dick little girls.

>>160109366
>these movies really give you no sense of progression
>but the main line where all the timeskips and tone shifts make each installment basically its own separate franchise rather than one contiguous narrative TOTALLY has a sense of progression

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>>160109397
>Reflection is the first true continuation we've had since A's
It's the continuation of the f A's movie. StrikerS is the continuation of A's TV.

>>160101132
?Being ok with supbar animation when you know the movies can be well polished

Being thirsty for more Nanoha is no excuse to defend not giving these movies the time/effort needed to make them as good as they can be

You get the insanity you deserve for replying to bitchfag.
These announcement threads always attract casuals.

>>160109462
>but the main line where all the timeskips and tone shifts make each installment basically its own separate franchise
Exaggerating much? StrikerS is certainly different but it does continue important plotlines from A's and mainly from S1.

>>160109397
That would be true is A's movie didnt cut parts of the anime plot. Just take it as a different universe.

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>>160109435
Ran out of arguments real quick there.

>>160109505
If the animation was so bad the movie was unwatchable, I wouldn't defend it, but that's not the case. Besides, Nanoha is more than a vehicle for sakuga, you know. If the animation really is so atrocious to you, at least you have other things to pay attention to like the story.

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>>160109095
>Only problem is that Tsuzuki wants the focus on other people now but Nanoha is still out there in the sky guiding those lost children.

His focus characters in each seasons are usually the people in need, not the heroes. Fate was the actual center of S1, Hayate+knights of S2, and in StrikerS it is Vivio + to lesser degrees forwards, who are partially new heroes, partially also the kids that are getting helped (along with Lutecia and eventually Numbers).

Nanoha, Fate, later Hayate are already happy and provided for as of StrikerS and Force, so they only help others, but don't undergo the struggle as the main subjects of whatever shit happens in the story. So they get to fight and be cool, but Tsuzuki doesn't use them as the focus characters, they are the "great white knights from heaven"

Those damsels in distress will likely be Florians and/or materials/Eris, with NFH taking the helping role that Nanoha had for Fate in S1, and NF had in S2.

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>>160109553
A's MOVIE is a whole different beast from the TV series.

>>160109550
>Exaggerating much?
No.

>>160109577
>If the animation was so bad the movie was unwatchable, I wouldn't defend it, but that's not the case. Besides, Nanoha is more than a vehicle for sakuga, you know. If the animation really is so atrocious to you, at least you have other things to pay attention to like the story.

I hope you don't actually think that's an excuse for not having the movies be as good looking as the previous two. We waited over 3 years for the movies; I don't mind waiting another year if it means that it will have the same or better visual quality as the first two

>>160109550
By different anon just means that the characters aren't lolis anymore. That's all he cares about.

>>160109584
>materials
>damsels in distress
Kek.

>>160109497
StrikerS isn't a continuation of anything. It would work just as well if it was its own independent thing.

Reflection takes place right after A's with exactly the same cast facing new dangers.

>>160109553
>That would be true is A's movie didnt cut parts of the anime plot.
What the fuck does that have to do with this?

>>160109647
I'm not saying "holy shit the animation is fucking perfect, stop fucking crying", I'm just saying that it's good enough as it is right now in my eyes. No shit it could be better, no shit it would be nice if it were better, but I don't think it's so bad you need to claim that the whole movie is ruined because of it.

>>160109721
But neither I nor the original person you responded to said that the movie was ruined?

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>>160109648
>old Nanoha + GoD has more non-lolis than Vivid does if you exclude adult mode
>B-BUT THE LOLIS

>>160109770
See, now I'm exaggerating.

>>160109663
>StrikerS isn't a continuation of anything. It would work just as well if it was its own independent thing.
This is true, it actually would help having thing happening between As and StrikerS

>Reflection takes place right after A's with exactly the same cast facing new dangers.
*Movie As
Sorry, I cant really see animu As and the movie as the same thing.

>>160109842
So you were only pretending to be retarded? Got it.

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What if they announce VS2 at the end of the movie?

>>160109663
>right after A's movie
Fixed. It wouldn't make any sense following A's TV.

>>160109663
If you hate StrikerS that's fine. Don't make up all this bullshit to pretend that your own headcanon bullshit timeline is the true timeline and StrikerS wasn't a true sequel. The fact is that the movies are their own thing. Accept it.

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Sorry to hijack the convo, do you anons think there will be time for meaningful yuri in the movie?

Or will it just be the usual tame tease with token handholding and staring at each other but not anything that would really and vividly show that there is a forbidden love brewing in their chiisa na munes?

>>160109964
I don't think we'd ever get real yuri happening unless they did a late highschool or later prequel to StrikerS.

>>160109290
this was the perfect opportunity to fix the mistake of using shitty recolors because it was a low effort video game. the lrd-tier retards who latched on to them can just go kts.

>>160109964
>Sorry to hijack the convo, do you anons think there will be time for meaningful yuri in the movie?
Following the record of the previous movies I'd say you don't have to worry. The Wolkenritter were an afterthought in their own movie to make more space for NanoFate yuri which is a good sign if you want more yuri on the next.

>>160109871
>>160109921
>It wouldn't make any sense following A's TV.
According to who? Unless the plot of Reflection/Detonation literally involves Graham saying how he totally did nothing during the Book of Darkness Incident and everyone else showing proof that yeah this is true, there's really nothing barring the new movies from falling in place after A's. You could just chalk up the new designs to artstyle changes or whatever if that's the problem.

>>160109941
The only one in denial here is the person who thinks StrikerS is more of a sequel to A's than Reflection will be. To name just one thing, there's not an enormous fuck-you timeskip between A's and Reflection so the cast is relatively the same between both.

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>>160110022
I would like something like this scene in As TV.

It was just them looking at each other as they talked, but the artist totally nailed the faces and eyes - you could absolutely feel how Nanoha is entering a relaxed state and being happy just sitting there - probably not yet knowing what she is sinking in, but it happening as so visible in those frames. Great work, although I have my doubts the current staff and writers can serve the emotions this well.
I think As movie didn't have the veracity and intensity of this scene.

>>160110104
About this, i read somewhere that it was explained that movies and anime are in different timelines. Is true or just some anon headcannon?

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See how relaxed she got when sitting at Fate's bed?
Such casually calm bliss.

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>>160110211
In the soundstages, you have real Nanoha/Fate/Vivio/other characters talking about the movies being made "for unadministered word" to show them NanoFate adventures. Nanoha goes there to give advice on screenplay and expert stuff, and they look at the props.

Vivio shows the movies to her friends, and Hyate steals the As costumes and has the kids cosplay in them, while she takes photos.

>>160110211
Yeah, it's true. The different forms of media form various alternate timelines because that kind of stupid bullshit was really necessary.

>>160110211
The movies and the anime are obviously different, yes.

>>160109964
Most definitely.

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>>160110043
>fixing what isn't broken
For what reason?

>kts
Materialhaters, everyone.

>>160110214
Nothing quite like Nanoha staring at her future wife's eyes.

Nine years old and she already knew who she wanted. Kid has her priorities on point.

>>160110104
>What is Nachtwal?

>>160110732
The thing that they retconned the Darkness of the Book of Darkness into. Your point?

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>>160110104
>To name just one thing, there's not an enormous fuck-you timeskip between A's and Reflection so the cast is relatively the same between both
Fun thing is that while StrikerS internalizes on Nanoha's reflection and the effect of her desicions on her personal life and Fate facing the Genesis of her issues Reflections will mostly be the Materials doing their own thing while the A's cast cheers from the sidelines.

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Never Forget; Never Forgive.

>>160110886
It's unnecessary and contradictory with A's TV and all that followed.

Wait, did the movie come out in theatres already?
Was there a midnight screening?

>>160110998
>It's unnecessary
Yes.
>and contradictory
Not really.

>>160110895
>b-b-but the innocent materials, i swear i can see the future and this is what happens
Of course the fag insisting that Nanoha needs to be an adult and nothing else will do isn't interested in any actual discourse.

>>160111149
We could have one when the movies is released and we have an actual plot to compare.

>>160111270
We were having one just fine when you weren't resorting to forced memes.

>>160110903
It's sad that I can't imagine these two new movies having anything as emotionally provocative as that scene was. Everything about them just looks so bland.

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>>160111352
>self-insert power fantasy
>emotionally provocative
Pfft.

>>160111328
It's based on mere speculation. As much flaws you can point on StrikerS you can't deny that it works as a legitimate sequel (well, you can but it's the same as covering your ears and singing). While we have next to nothing about Reflections other than the synopsis.

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>>160106262

>>160101446
What kind of role Megumi would play in Symphogear or Nanoha?

>>160111448
>It's based on mere speculation.
No, anon. We know when the movie takes place. We know which characters are at play. We have some idea of what the plot will be like just from the synopsis and knowing the characters' history.
>it works as a legitimate sequel
Yeah with its totally different protagonists, and totally different tone, and totally different setting, and totally different Nanoha and all. Oh no, that doesn't seem like a sequel at all, just a spinoff set a million years in the future because why not I guess.

>>160111642
>Yeah with its totally different protagonists
Supported by the characters we all know and love still playing a big part

>Totally different tone, and a totally different setting
Since the TSAB was introduced it was inevitable that Nanoha would eventually travel to New worlds to face outter threats and meet new societies. I agree on the tone but it doesn't ruin the story, on the contrary it was a pretty unique change at the time. More Mahou Shoujo should let the cast to keep their powers and follow then into adulthood.

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https://slowanime.com/the-eternal-blaze-of-magical-girl-lyrical-nanoha/
>As far as I’m aware, Nanoha is the only magical girl franchise to follow magical girls into womanhood.
If there wasn't any other reason, this would be enough to establish StrikerS as the true continuation.

Refl./Det. is just opportunistic interquel - good enjoyable side story if we are lucky, mere cash grab if we aren't.

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>>160111926
>the characters we all know and love
Those shitty old hags are most definitely not Nanoha, Fate and the gang. They are just random mentor characters with Nanoha, Fate, etc on their nametags.

This is Nanoha. When I think of Nanoha, this is who I think of. Really, really wish I could have gotten a better picture but this'll have to do for the moment.

>Since the TSAB was introduced it was inevitable that Nanoha would eventually travel to New worlds to face outter threats and meet new societies.
You can do that without losing the essence and making your new installment a completely new existence rather than a follow up of something prior.

>>160112301
>Those shitty old hags are most definitely not Nanoha, Fate and the gang. They are just random mentor characters with Nanoha, Fate, etc on their nametags
>>160111448

>>160112167
>StrikerS is a TRUE sequel because of old hags pretending to be old characters!
That makes no fucking sense and your attempt at shilling your anime blog is incredibly transparent.

>>160112338
>>160111642

>>160112399
every character theme from the original two anime are expanded and grown in strikers. the main driver of all this development is nanoha and her effects on peoples' lives

>>160112464
>every character theme from the original two anime are expanded
No.
>the main driver of all this development is nanoha and her effects on peoples' lives
*The main driver of StrikerS is Subaru and how gay she can be on TV without bumping up the rating, not that it's relevant anymore since the limit has been pushed further since then.

>>160112301
>>160112399
>LRD shit
Really, bitchy?

>your anime blog
>bogeymen
Believe it or not, it is not mine. You think I would sign it with my name/post RL stuff, and then go and reveal myself as somebody who lurks 4chan daily (most Nanoha threads)?
I'm not that comfortable with being a life f/a/ilure.

>>160112589
>LRD shit
Not an argument.

>Believe it or not, it is not mine.
Okay fine, your friend's anime blog. Now go away and take it with you.

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>>160112464
It's also ironically the season with the biggest character focus on Nanoha herself. She developed a lot during that season.

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>>160112763
it's not ironic

the show is about her, it has her damn name on it

>Not an argument.
>thinks "hags" are argument
Just fuck off, Bitch-kun. You are ban evading this whole time anyway.
It's kind of telling that LRD is the only anon you were ever able to synch with

Also I think I didn't mention this before, but it's hilarious that Fate's StrikerS backstory is being brought up as continuity between the old seasons and StrikerS when the whole Project Fate nonsense was a gigantic retcon. It really shows how StrikerS has fuckall to do with the previous seasons that they had to pull that shit.

>>160112763
>It's also ironically the season with the biggest character focus on Nanoha herself.
Just because she has tits doesn't mean she meant anything to the narrative. StrikerS was the story of Subaru and the Riot Force 6, with Nanoha just being somewhere in there.

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>>160112782
I called ironically since so much people complain about StrikerS not being about Nanoha when it's the season were she have the most prominence.

>>160112782
>>160112909
It is ironic because Vivid and Force also have her damn name in the title but bollocks to that, right

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>>160112902
>Just because she has tits doesn't mean she meant anything to the narrative
Talking about completely missing the point.

>>160112953
I would allow those two being called ironic because she does bupkiss in them, besides being cool and/or cute

>>160112953
ViVid was a mistake. FORCE was a weird experiment that went wrong.

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>>160112967
Oh no, it's generic military mentor character. No wait, the nametag says Nanoha. But this person is nothing like Nanoha at all?

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I sure am looking forward to Reflection. Going to watch it later today, it'll be great. Hope they keep the amazing transformation sequences of the first 2 movies.

>>160113012
>Looks and behaves like a more mature version of the Nanoha we know and love with the very same motivation and personality
>Oh no she have tits! She's nothing like Nanoha at all

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>>160113107
Don't bother, this is the 3rd time we've gone in circles

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>>160113104
>won't be able to watch until BDs

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>>160113104
I know I'm prying to deaf ears but I would like for the Wolkenritter to finally get the motherfucking cinematic henshin sequence that was denied to them in their own damn movie. I don't care if they job immediately after. I just want them to get some justice and have a cool transformation sequence.

>>160113107
>we
No, the Nanoha I know and love is the one you see here >>160113140. I don't know who that old hag of yours is, but Nanoha she ain't.

>>160113201
Hi bitch-kun

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>>160113201

>>160113196
>we'll get to see much more Wolkenjobbing because two movies
Fun.

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>>160113219
>>160113253
Anons, bitch-kun has been here at least since >>160099556

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>>160113258
>mfw it sucks to be a fan of the Wolkenritter
As long as they look cool I don't care.

mfw deep down I do care ;_;

>>160113382
At the very least Signum and Vita will get to be cool at least once. And we'll get reminders that Shamal and Zafira still exist.

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Will you be Nanoha's friend?

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>you will never be this upset at A's getting a true sequel

>>160113450
Yes.

>>160102950
Nepgear is a cute murderer!

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>>160113382
Defeats in combat are probably nothing to them, they have lived and fought for so long that they know that sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. And pretty sure they don't care about winning/losing, but about what the fight is supposed to achieve, protect, etc.

So I didn't really mind when Signum lost in Force. She did her best magnificently. And it felt good and fuzzy when she recovered. I have a secret fondness of people getting badly hurt but making it, in stories.

>>160113339
The problem is that this announcement has attracted a bunch of casuals who don't normally lurk Nanoha threads so they stupidly keep replying to him.

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>>160113622
Yeah but it's been too late now since the author throw a bone to them. They need to mantain credibility as reliable allies. They had their chance in the PSP version of Reflections thanks to the Dark Pieces (Signum VS Precia was awesome) but it seems that won't be the case here.

>>160113677
>casuals
Nice scapegoat. Why would any actual casuals care about Nanoha at all? This isn't Madoka.

>>160113723
>the PSP version of Reflections
It's more like Reflection is the movie version of the PSP games actually.

>>160107397
Still waiting on newly translated chapters for both mangas

>>160113622
I just didn't like the Eclipse effect in general. It seems like a really hamfisted way to get a bunch of villains that weren't stomped by Nanoha and co. Like really, there's supposibly a bunch of Lost Logia sitting around that can do it but they went with a boring Anti-Magic effect.

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>>160113801
I'm waiting for both three, Vivid, InnocentS and Force.
>>160113815
Given the book showing up, Eclipse is likely also connected to some lost logia/belkan history. I didn't mind it much. The TSAB heroes/ines, errm) seemed challenged by it and that was what mattered.

Also Cinque rules.

>>160098999
>Loli Nanoha

Dropped

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>>160114022
Gay.

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>>160099956

You mean Rinne gets her own movie.

>>160114140
Keep dreaming.
>>160100042

YOU CAN'T STOP NANOHA

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Excited for the two movies, but after that... What are the chances of we getting a TV series sequel with young Nanoha?

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed StrikerS and all the world building, but sometimes sticking to the basics is the best, Nanoha started as something with straightforward but emotional concepts, which was pretty satisfying, however it got strangely filled with technical stuff like politics and whatnot during StrikerS.

Can't judge Vivid or Vivid Strike since I never watched, should I?

>>160114140
I'm sure it'd be better than Reflection will be. Has any PSP game ever been made into a movie before? I can't think of one. There's a reason for that.

>>160114188

I agree it will never happen, but if it did Fuuka wouldn't be the one carrying it. She barely even had any screen time in VS.

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>>160114112
The fact that Fate manages to look cute even in the ugly redesigns proves that she is and forever will be best girl.

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What about Vivio's movie?

>>160114252

>What are the chances of we getting a TV series sequel with young Nanoha?

Pretty low honestly. I wouldn't mind it, but it doesn't seem like Tsuzuki wants to drop Vivid any time soon.

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>>160104379
I still can't believe people got assblasted over Signum losing to an obvious rival character.

>>160113622
Signum losing was fine because it gave her a definitive rival and a chance at some character development outside of being "the badass one". Unfortunately a combination of bad overall writing and fan butthurt means Signum will forever remain static. A shame since she's easily my favorite character.

>>160114355

Not as long as we never leave Tourney-Namek.

>>160114252
>What are the chances of we getting a TV series sequel with young Nanoha?
None. They can just make something low effort, stick Vivid in the name and make more money that way.

>should I?
Hell no.

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>>160114278
Nice shitpost.