Having just finished the episode, I think I can say that was actually very satisfying to watch. Fucking sadists had it coming to them in spades.
Remember kids, bitches get stitches.
>>160060592
Stop baiting.
>>160060746
Would you rather I slam your head into a shoe locker too, you little kisama?
>>160060592
It was a good scene and was the thing that hyped up the show a bit when the episode first aired. Too bad there's an autistic spammer who makes it his job to shitpost this show and Nanoha in general.
Rinne-chan a cute. A CUTE.
>>160062802
Let' just try to ignore him for now.
I sympathize a lot with Rinne here, because I got in trouble with the school on quite a few occasions for threatening or lightly roughing up bullies, usually after I'd repeatedly reported them. My answer usually was, "If you're gonna give me bullshit like 'we can't do anything about it because we didn't see it', then fine, I'll deal with it myself, and then you can see the pieces." Of course, not that it ever worked, but I was always proud that I did stand up for myself even when the administration didn't want me to.
Wasn't there a movie coming out this month? The trailers made the animation look cheap as hell so I'm interested to see if the rest of it is as much of a letdown.
>>160065858
Yes, but it will be much longer until the movie is ripped and subbed.
>>160066088
I just watched the episode. I have no idea what you think I'm doing.
>>160066203
He is a troll who is ban evading. Report and ignore. The funny thing is that his sage bombing amounts to nothing as after he gets banned all his posts are deleted anyways.
>>160066302
Are you saying I'm a psychopath, or that she is?
>>160066600
I don't know what he's talking about either.
>>160064164
>If you're gonna give me bullshit like 'we can't do anything about it because we didn't see it', then fine, I'll deal with it myself, and then you can see the pieces.
This is the most heartwarming thing I have read today.
>>160067359
that... wasn't... meant to be...
>>160066080
Yeah, but if the Elevens say that it sucks, I doubt we're going to end up enjoying it. Guess we'll see in a few more days.
>>160060592
Can someone explain this scene to me? I've only seen the webm.
>>160071736
She was bullied ceaselessly by a bunch of girls for being adopted into a rich family. They tore up her shit, beat her up, threw a precious keepsake of hers into a toilet, smashed her phone, beat her again (this time into unconsciousness), which caused her to miss the phone call that her grandfather was dying, so when she returned to school, she did what any sensible person with a high amount of upper body strength would do, and gave her tormentors an industrial-sized can of ass-whupping.
>>160071970
Oh, you've arrived.
>>160071736
Strike was all about healing.
So bitches had to get hurt.
Someone yesterday made a nice post about Vivio vs Einhart and how good and meaningful of a scene it was.
I completely agree, also Vivio is perfect.
>>160071736
Flashback episode of Villain reaching her breaking point, where she decides violence is an answer.
Until the MC convinces her otherwise, using violence.
>>160060592
Why did you make another thread exactly like the last one after the other one died?
You could have at least changed the subject or even the OP picture
>>160064164
I'm sure all the kids in school were worried about the fedora-wearing white blob who mumbled to himself in the corner of the room.
Starting nonstop VS threads right before Reflections opens in theaters? Can't we just have threads that aren't obvious baits?
>>160075426
Why should we let the terrorist win? He spams no matter what anyways. No one rational is objecting to Reflection discussion here if that's what you want.
>>160075528
No, the problem is that threads are started because of him and not because interest in the series. Considering that this thread is pretty much a clone of the last, the intention is pretty clear that this thread is just made for shitposting and baiting. Sucks that you wouldn't even come up with a unique topic to talk about.
Vivio is cute.
>>160074925
>fedora-wearing
Projecting already, are we?
Actually, it was 4chan that taught me a lot about how to deal with assholes: Humor when in a group, light physical force when you're alone. Also sometimes you can turn their friends against them. I once held up a bus from leaving until the kids handed over the obnoxious brat that was screaming insults at me out the window.
>>160075734
>It's alright when Vivid Strike does it, tho!
>>160076176
>and not because interest in the series.
And why is that, do you think?
>>160078030
>more blogposting
>>160078030
Fuck off, no one gives a shit
>>160060592
The beatdown scene was excellent and probably the best individual event of the season. The problem is that it brought a set of expectations that the show never delivered on afterward.
>>160078326
Excellently bad, maybe.
>and probably the best individual event of the season.
You need to stop watching bad anime if in the season with Flip Flappers you have punchy punch as the "best individual event".
>>160078060
Vivid Strike is not a movie.
>>160078416
>Flip Flappers
You mean the show that contrarians got baited into hyping for being superficially different and had no substance to it whatsoever? Flip flappers was best remembered for a shitty forced meme, and even that has already been forgotten before this mediocre Tsuzuki anime did (and for good reason).
>>160078417
You sure love insisting that it's objectively superior to literally everything in every possible way, though.
>>160078592
Yes, I mean the show that's better than what you're defending.
>Flip Flappers
>forgotten
>Vivid Strike
>remembered by anybody that doesn't frequent Vivid Strike threads
Now get out from under that rock already.
>>160077993
Traffic lights can't be cute
>>160077993
Nanoha is cute.
>>160078646
I guess technically FliFla is remembered for what a complete flop it was. But as far as meritorious things the show actually did? Absolutely nothing.
>>160079006
Flip Flappers is still remembered, and for many things. Like it flopping like hell like you said, the magnificient first 9 episodes, the fun cast, the music, the tongue meme that doesn't seem like it'll ever go away. To claim it is forgotten is to be willfully ignorant.
>meritorious things the show actually did
How do you measure that? Because Vivid Strike was nothing but an exercise in quick and easy money-spinning. It did nothing that bad edgy anime or bad sports anime hadn't already done better, except being set in the Nanoha world.
Watching VS, I swear the lip movements are not synced properly with the dialogue, and I don't think it's the encode, because all the other sounds line up just fine.
>>160079401
It's not the encode, there are a lot of parts like that. It is especially noticeable during fights, but particularly in episode 8 where there's a scene where the purple literally who jogs back and forth while talking and the lip-synch is non-existent. Just another example of the amount of effort that went into the show.
>>160060592
I wish Rinne was part of the main cast for Vivid. It would be so much better.
>>160079522
I think they put a lot of effort into the fights, but they clearly skimped on the calmer scenes.
>>160079640
Beyond the first fight against the thugs in the parking lot (or whatever that was) which was wonderful and made me hyped for the rest of the show (this didn't last, by the way), I completely disagree. Most of the fight choreography in the show is looping the same punch four or five times before switching. I bring up episode 8 again because holy shit almost the entirety of that fight was Vivio punching Rinne then doing the same motion a few more times before it cuts to the same thing happening from a different angle. They try to justify it with "flicker technique!!" or whatever but that's clearly code for "fuck animating, i want to go home to my daki now, alright?". Calmer scenes had this little thing where each scene would last longer than it looks like it should and the cuts are rather abrupt. It may not be the case in the entire show, but some scenes at the end stuck with me because of this. Like the part where loli Rinne gives her chocolate to loli Fuuka and then we see them eating for an awful long time before it abruptly cuts to "gosh i sure love this chocolate"
Though I guess that latter bit might be less about the subpar animation and more about the subpar editing/directing now that I wrote it all down.
>>160079336
For starters, when threads are getting made (ideally among the japanese community) about an actual story development in FliFla and not some forced meme, JC softcore, or yuri, then we'll talk. That's unlikely though, because as far as the industry is concerned that shit is dead and gone to the same pit as the dozens of other failed anime that appear each season.
>It did nothing that bad edgy anime or bad sports anime hadn't already done better
Such as?
>>160079886
The other thing is I think the producers started forgetting after StrikerS that the show is supposed to be on Mid-Childa, not Japan. Perhaps this doesn't bother their domestic audiences, but we see a lot of traditions and behaviors that are so prototypically Japanese, it makes no sense to see them on another planet. Like the dining scene in the 5.75 OVA is unmistakably in a Japanese restaurant.
>>160080153
Now that's a shitty measuring stick. You're basically saying Flip Flappers isn't worth anything because it wasn't popular.
>Such as?
Elfen Lied already had the "bullied girl's important one dies making her snap and become a cold killer" cliche down pat and that was how many years ago? And it also had the balls to go all out with this premise instead of chickening out like Vivid Strike did, wasting all that buildup in what was basically a big fart.
>t-they are all fine guys! h-haha
So what the fuck was the point, then? Her motivation would have been a lot stronger if she continued to bottle it all up and let that resentment run wild during battle, and that's why she went down the path she did. Instead of her problem being resolved right then and there and her remaining angry at the world because that's the plot, mmkay? Though that may have called for actually skillful writing.
>>160080467
I would not describe those injuries as, "they are all fine guys". Half the discussion boards at the time thought they were legitimately dead, and pointed out how her attacks were calculated to inflict severe bodily harm. Plus or minus advanced healing magic, those injuries will probably be with them for a long time.
>>160080195
I see this mentioned very, very rarely even here so I don't think it bothers anyone that all the worldbuilding was for naught.
But it does bother me, like it bothers you. It increases the feeling the show gives me that it wasn't meant to be a Nanoha show at all, but it was forced into the role in a cynical attempt at cashing in on the name (for lack of a better word - I know the name isn't literally there). After Dog Days, it makes sense that they would do this, not that I approve of it.
I'm disappointed they never adjusted this part in the BD. They specifically say Rinne has extremely strong grip strength earlier in the show, and then they have this shot where she's squeezing the first girl's wrist with twitching and cracking going on, yet the girl doesn't cry in pain at all and then they cut to her doing that really awkward elbow drop instead. I figured it had to be toned down for TV because for the life of me I can't see how they didn't intend for Rinne to snap the girl's wrist in her grip onscreen.
The locker smash and the head kick were excellent but this first part just bothers me to no end.
>>160078735
Do you have any evidence to support that claim?
>>160080653
>I would not describe those injuries as, "they are all fine guys".
I would describe them being alive as, "they are all fine guys". It's like you said, absolutely everything pointed to the injuries being lethal. And that's why I mentioned them chickening out, because it wasn't lethal. I don't care about magical healing mumbo-jumbo, I don't care how persistant their injuries will be, it's still a massive copout that shows a lack of faith in what they were doing with the story. Could describe the majority of Vivid Strike that way, actually.
>>160080467
>Elfen Lied
>better
Opinion discarded.
>>160080708
The show screams low effort so I fail to see how it's surprising.
>choppy and awkward animation
>didn't even bother animating the mouth separate from the rest of the body, so the dialogue doesn't match the lip flaps at all
The beatdown scene is probably one of the very few that has noticeable care put into it and it's still a giant waste.
>>160080779
Sarah's own brother showed up to say she spends every day in agony in the hospital, but she's just fine I'm not a shitposter I swear :^)
>>160080890
It has better edge. It doesn't pussy out from killing people when the killer is obviously killing people. And it doesn't sugar coat anything because muh befriending later. For all the praise it gets, Vivid Strike can't even do this much.
>>160080921
But which one was Sarah?
>>160080954
>better edge
Edge was never the point of this show.
>>160080921
>Sarah's own brother showed up to say she spends every day in agony in the hospital
And? She should have logically died from her injuries. Your favorite show has pussy writing, get over it.
>>160080910
>it's a some fag criticizes a specific anime for minor issues that appear in basically any TV anime episode
>>160081013
It was the point of the scene and Rinne's backstory. Be ready to dismiss a lot of it if you really want to argue otherwise.
>>160081034
>bawww my opinion is faaaact
>>160081089
Proof? I just rewatched the second episode of Princess Principal and no, the lipsynching was on point from what I could tell.
>>160081101
>It was the point of the scene and Rinne's backstory
You never even watched the show, did you?
>>160080668
I see where you're coming from, but I don't think it was so much that as someone from the writing team had a, "wouldn't it be funny if..." fanfic-esque moment, and it later morphed into the concept for ViVid. Considering that Nanoha originally started as a spin-off of the Triangle Hearts VN, it wouldn't be the first time that happened. I think the author very much hates being boxed into a genre, and instead likes to explore writing for lots of different ones. So the result is that the Nanoha franchised has bounced around all the eight cords of the anime world.
That's part of why I'm disappointed that Force ended up not going anywhere. I like VV/VS for what it is — a magical sports anime — but not as a part of the Nanohaverse. It honestly might have been better as in independent IP instead of riding off of MHLN's coattails.
>>160081120
>bawww stop saying my favorite show of all time isn't actually that good
See, I can do that too.
>>160081155
*MSLN
derp
>>160081161
Stepping up your argumentation I see.
>>160081150
I'd be happier for it if I hadn't. Also, "you didn't watch the show!" isn't an argument. The beatdown was incredibly edgy and I can't believe you're actually disagreeing.
>>160081204
Thanks, I learned from you. You should watch more anime.
>>160081213
Making false claims without substance isn't an argument.
>>160081247
You're not in a position to worry about that, Kouhai.
>>160075734
Wew, I wonder where their budget went. Hopefully things are polished by the time the blurays hit.
>>160081267
Okay, so on what grounds do you claim the beatdown wasn't edgy? It was a realistic scenario with realistic characters (if only taking this one specific episode into account, anyway) where you're asked to vicariously live through Rinne as she almost-literally tears apart bullies in what could easily pass as a dream of some disturbed middle schooler.
>>160081128
>Proof?
I don't post proof for people that don't post their own proof first.
>>160081307
But I worry, senpai. Acting like Vivid Strike is some sort of masterpiece, especially considering the season it aired in, strikes me as not having watched a lot of anime.
>>160081396
Am I supposed to post the entirety of the second episode of Princess Principal here or what?
>>160081389
>Okay, so on what grounds do you claim the beatdown wasn't edgy? It was a realistic scenario with realistic characters (if only taking this one specific episode into account, anyway) where you're asked to vicariously live through Rinne as she almost-literally tears apart bullies in what could easily pass as a dream of some disturbed middle schooler.
First you're going to have to define what you think edge even means.
>>160081155
That just feels like making excuses for them.
>It honestly might have been better as in independent IP
I feel that about most things with Nanoha in the name. Only the first season, A's and Innocent feel like they belong in the same group.
>>160081420
>Acting like Vivid Strike is some sort of masterpiece
ITT: Things that never happened.
rinne was fun to watch just being a muscle mage
no magic here only fistings
>>160081525
I have to agree there. I feel like they have ADHD which doesn't let them make a series consistent, and at the same time want everything to be part of the same series so that it sells better.
>>160081503
Excessive down-to-earth violence made to feel cool or desirable.
>>160081155
Tsuzuki has a problem where he seems to want to write different things, but he can only really do one specific type of character well.
>>160081525
I feel StrikerS and Force belong too, because together they make sort of an arc about growing up. Just as we face more and more serious challenges in our lives as we get older, so do the protagonists.
>>160074086
Thanks, I was looking for that comment since it addressed a post of mine.
Anyhow, I really don't agree.
Vivio and Einhart's battle was hardly built up.
I can agree Einhart's character development was building up for a change, especially after her fight against Sieglinde, who questioned Einhart's actions and behaviour.
However, as for Einhart and Vivio themselves, there was hardly any build-up for THEM to fight. They weren't even developed as rivals or anything. They sparred a few times and that was that.
There was no sense of urgency and nothing was really at stake, like when Nanoha fought against Fate in the first season. There was no sense of rivalry. There was no "this is when they have to fight" type of feel to it.
What's worse is that it was a mock battle. Their fight didn't happen during some critical moment or anything. It was practice and Vivio decided it was time to beat the shit out of Einhart, because that's how her Mama snapped the shit out of her back then.
This is why I would rather see them fight again under more interesting circumstances. Since Vivid is a relatively light-hearted story I won't ask some serious plot to happen, so that would leave only a tournament, and the best possible scenario would be the Intermiddles (which Einhart lost the last time against Sieg), and what better situation than having Einhart on her way to the championship than having had beat Sieg and Victor already, so that no one (not even herself) doubts she'll be the new champ? That's when she learns the final will be against Vivio.
That would be something.
It would be better (or rather the proper thing to do) to show Vivio did some additional training to fix her defence - having learned from Rinne during their last fight.
Now THAT would be a climactic battle, because it would involve Einhart's biggest motivation (i.e. proving Kaiser Arts the strongest), and also Vivio's desire to show she's become strong too, and what better way than to beat Einhart?
>>160081555
You were the one comparing Vivid Strike favorably to Flip Flappers, not me.
>>160081618
>I feel StrikerS and Force belong too
No, they are too different. They are like spinoffs set in the future rather than actual sequels.
>>160081696
Yes, to a point, but I think again they fit in because of that meta-narrative that's going on.
>>160081567
Too bad they couldn't commit to that and instead of a Hulk-like monster we have a big teddy bear punching people with pillows. She is built up as some sort of human monster and the worst she does is break someone's rib. Such is the lack of faith and effort in this story.
no doujins
why are there no doujins
>>160081800
We just got a good bestiality one with Einhart and Fuuka. All is not lost.
>>160081696
In Force's case I can agree, not so much for StrikerS.
Though even now I think they should have had some story set in HS before StrikerS, because the time skip was too big.
>>160081800
Probably because it was so bad.
>>160081800
Kogu is making one right now
>>160081813
>bestiality
>good
Ew. It makes sense you like Vivid Strike.
>>160081576
>Excessive down-to-earth violence made to feel cool or desirable.
This is where we're disagreeing. Edgy basically just means more malicious or hostile than is contextually justifiable. Telling a stranger to kill themselves for no or petty reasons is edgy, even though it's not violent whatsoever. Rinne was completely justified to act in the way she did (which is why she remained sympathetic, moreso than the bullies most importantly, in the story) and therefore was not edgy. If she had taken things farther to the point that people couldn't sympathize with her actions, then she'd be justifiably edgy.
>>160081800
So, why did Rinne stop using that deep sexy accent after she lost against Fuuka, and went back to that loli accent?
>>160081891
Will it be boring, derivative and half-baked? It's rare to see doujins stay true to the show they are doujin to, though it does happen.
>>160081967
It represents character development. It was quite a change though, I felt like they could have been more subtle.
>>160081967
The voice director was probably phoning it in like everyone else and didn't tell Minase she was speaking the wrong way.
>>160081904
Your loss m80.
>>160081800
Ironically, I'm pretty sure Sara and co got quite a bit of revenge porn on Pixiv.
>>160082012
>It represents character development.
You're giving the show that can't even properly animate a fight a lot of credit here.
>>160082012
Why does character development always involve shit like this?
It's either cutting their hair, or stop using a sexy voice.
What will be next? A sex change?
>>160082055
I never said that the animation was good. Rinne was supposed to have gotten out of her rut after Fuuka beat some sense into her, and the voice change is supposed to have represented it. They could have stuck with the same voice and kept the behavior change and it would have been much better IMO.
>>160082070
Hack writers.
>>160081945
>more malicious or hostile than is contextually justifiable
Killing a bunch of girls that had nothing to do with Rinne's trigger (dead grandpa) seems more malicious or hostile than is contextually justifiable to me.
>>160082070
>Why does character development always involve shit like this?
Visible changes are more, well, visible than behavioral changes. They are also much, much easier to write into your half-baked story about bullies.
>>160082101
Rinne killed no one, though. She hurt them badly, and that was that.
Not to mention Rinne's issue wasn't that he grandfather die, but that she couldn't be there for him during his final moments because those girls knocked her out. They also threw the necklace her grandfather gave her into the toilet.
Those two events were the trigger, and the build up was all the bullying Rinne had already put up with, plus the frustration and sadness from her grandfather's condition.
Unlike the other guy I wouldn't say Rinne's actions were justifiable, but they were definitely understandable.
>>160081819
I wonder if we'll ever get a chance at an interquel covering Nanoha and Fate's time as rookie mages in the TSAB. I think there'd be a lot of potential there to cover more of the science-fantasy aspects of the franchise.
>>160082324
AUs are the rage these days for anything pre-StrikerS timeline, though.
>>160082262
>Rinne killed no one, though.
Okay fine, "killed". I'm still in disbelief at how cowardly they were to have the girls be alive. That was so retarded.
Regardless, my point stands that the bullies had nothing to do with it. Indirectly, yeah, definitely. But they didn't know Rinne's grandpa was ill, they didn't know he was going to die that day, they didn't do the stuff they did with full knowledge of Rinne's circumstances. You could accuse them of several things, but rubbing it in that Rinne wasn't there for his grandpa when he died wasn't something they did on purpose. So to punish them for it is incredibly excessive in my eyes.
Also edgy, very edgy.
>>160082101
That's because edginess is relative, which is in large part why it's such a shitty criticism in the first place. You may have seen it as edgy, but a lot of people did not. What made the OP scene ambitious is because it had the goal of taking the mahou shoujo equivalent to a school shooting and used bullying to make it respectable by comparison, as a social commentary on just how fucked up bullying is.
Even if you believe that they failed, and that Rinne was more at fault than the bullies in the end, I anecdotally consider you to be a minority.
>>160082324
That takes a lot of effort, anon. They could make another Vivid clone just with more bullies this time and make more money with less effort spent.
>>160082324
Maybe we could see that as a follow up to Reflection. The best we could hope for would be a manga.
>the three people watching Vivio at school are Nanoha, Arf, and Yuuno
Who are your favorite VS background characters? Mine are Vivio's totally ordinary parent number 1 and Vivio's average parent number 2.
>>160082410
>You may have seen it as edgy, but a lot of people did not.
>but a lot of people did not
Spare me your delusions.
>edgy bully beatdown was "ambitious"
What the fuck am I reading
>the mahou shoujo equivalent to a school shooting
No, it was just a bully beatdown. It was done before and way edgier too.
>as a social commentary on just how fucked up bullying is
That's ambitious? Are you fucking with me?
>Even if you believe that they failed, and that Rinne was more at fault than the bullies in the end
No shit? Do you just turn your brain off while watching anime? Or are your standards really this low?
>>160082524
Fate was busy with work that that and asked Arf and Yuuno to go in her pace. She makes up for it later.
>>160082578
Vivio's left mama seems like she has a nice body.
>>160082406
>rubbing it in that Rinne wasn't there for his grandpa when he died wasn't something they did on purpose
They didn't know that, but it was still their fault for knocking her out.
Consider that, even leaving aside Rinne's grandfather's death, those girls actions were too much, and still begging for a beating - not on the level they ultimately received, but they still had a smackdown coming.
Furthermore, they got punsihed because Rinne literally snapped. She was depressed due to her grandfather's death, and she blamed it on her own weakness for not having been able to be there for him. She thought it was her own fault for not having stopped those girls before.
So, you have a girl that was mentally unstable and really angry, thinking she had to beat those girls down to "kill" her own weak self and therefore "make up" for her sin of not having been there for her grandather's final moments.
So, the way it was written was well justified.
It wasn't gratuitous violence just for the heck of it. You know very well why things happened.
>>160082578
Wow, she has two mamas. I am glad that Midchilda is forward thinking enough to accept that.
>>160082595
Sorry, but no matter how much you screech to the contrary I can only possibly see you as a single opinionated person. If you have statistics then that may be a different story.
>>160082652
Someone please explain this reaction to me.
>>160082653
>I am glad that Midchilda is forward thinking enough to accept that.
I have the feeling they discriminate against straight couples instead.
Womeone post that loli Nove
>>160082674
>yeah well you're wrong anyway
It's interesting how all attempts at defending this joke of a sports show end up here.
>>160081573
>>160081604
I think part of the issue might be that the worldbuilding that Tsuzuki did for the magical system of the Nanohaverse was really extensive and really unique. The essence of magic being like a natural force that humans can just happen to exert some control over, and that external devices enhance that control. That's the one thing that has more or less kept the series glued together.
Plus, again, I think going back to the Triangle Hearts days, the Nanoha series has always been defined more by its characters, as opposed to its thematic elements like most franchises are. But the result does at times feel like a bunch of nested fanfics instead of a clean storyline.
>>160082406
Rinne's grandpa didn't actually even need to die for the beatdown to be justified. That was a little bit too much sympathy, if anything. Something like finding out her grandfather is on his deathbed, and the cornering mental stress from that realization driving her to violence, would have been even better.
>>160082742
Who are you quoting? Not me, seeing as I don't see the word "opinion" anywhere in that quote.
>>160082640
You're literally saying Rinne was in the wrong but it's somehow justifiable because ow the edge mode was on? Am I arguing against someone who self-inserts as Rinne?
>>160082788
>the beatdown was justified
No, friendo. She's the bigger, stronger kid and she knew it. Murdering them (or "murdering", fuck this shit show) is off the table.
>>160082822
>nobody saw that as edgy!
>uh yeah everyone did
>you have no proof! clearly this means i win even though i presented fuck all and called a generic edgy bully beatdown "ambitious"
I would like to remind everyone that the absolute OTP of this franchise is Nanoha xRaising Heart
>>160082953
Seriously though who are you quoting anon?
>>160082920
>You're literally saying Rinne was in the wrong
Yes, Rinne's actions were wrong. That's why I said before I wouldn't say her actions were justifiable, but were understandable due to all the build-up that was had.
>it's somehow justifiable because ow the edge mode was on
By justifiable I meant it for the plot to get to that level pf violence.
You were talking with the other guy about what made something edgy or not, defining edgy as just gratuitous violence, and thus, since Rinne's situation was built-up for her to snap, then the use of violence (for the writers) was justified.
>>160083015
>oh shit i have no arguments left
>>160082920
It would have been excessive and thrown her off the moral event horizon if she had actually killed them. Putting them in the ICU for having beaten her up at what was clearly a very bad moment keeps her from becoming a villain.
>>160083052
Oh the irony.
>>160083097
>if i keep dodging the subject then maybe i'll be able to claim victory!
>>160083097
>>160083119
You're both retarded, shut up.
>>160083049
So we're really talking about two kinds of justifiability: diagetic (in-story, moral), and extradiagetic (real-world, artistic).
I think regarding the former, it was somewhat justified because the bullies had already escalated to violence. You could put a self-defense angle there and say that she felt she had to take action to ensure the situation wouldn't get any worse. Would it fly in (an Earth) court? Eh, minors tend to have a little more lattitude, but probably not for an adult.
Artistically, I think I might agree with >>160082788 that having her grandfather's illness be contributory to the situation instead of ancillary would have been a better creative decision.
>>160083049
Yeah and the plot was tailored for maximum edge.
>Rinne's parents never investigated even though they clearly noticed something off about their daughter, who they already were shown to love and stuff
>Grandpa just happened to die out of the blue the one day Rinne couldn't go home (he was ill but nothing indicated he could drop dead at any instant)
>also somehow nobody noticed the unconscious child in the bathroom that day
>the bullies knew Rinne was more capable than them but went after her anyway
>Rinne knew she was more capable than the bullies but never defended herself even though she already knew in that point of her life that you deal with people who torment you by kicking them in the crotch
Not that you aren't right, mind you. Though, the beatdown is super edgy even with the circumstances in mind, so.
>>160083087
>It would have been excessive and thrown her off the moral event horizon if she had actually killed them.
If they weren't going to kill the kids, then they shouldn't have made the episode build up to that conclusion or made the conclusion "oh yeah the kids are messily killed in front of their friends but NOT REALLY lol"
>>160083226
I'm not retarded, though. If I was I wouldn't be able to tell Vivid Strike is a terrible anime.
>>160060592
Rinne Berlinetta: Thot destroyer.
>>160083618
I don't think the bullies, or even Rinne knew that she was inexplicably super humanly strong. It was something that came out when she finally snapped.
>>160083618
A writer can, and indeed should, play with the audience's expectations. That the episode appeared to lead up to her straight up murdering the kids does not mean the author is obligated to take it to that conclusion. Especially since all of those injuries, while extremely devestating and painful, are definitely survivable with proper medical treatment. Human bodies can be surprisingly sturdy, as my EMT friends are macabrely aware of.
>>160084179
The PE teacher talked to Rinne about it.
>>160084849
There's a difference between playing with the audience's expectations and pranking them. It's like if Nanoha shot a really drawn out Starlight Breaker at someone, we saw the giant mushroom explosion, and as the smoke cleared up, the music became triumphant and everyone starts talking about how they're glad it's all over then suddenly the person teleported behind Nanoha, snapped her neck loose then cut to the credits, end of show.
I know there's an actual term for this but I can't remember it so for now I'll just call it "writer is a fucking pussy, not that everyone isn't going to defend his writing anyway".
>>160084171
More like Rinne Berlinetta: Self-Insert Extraordinaire.
Another thing: why didn't Nanoha or Fate visit Vivio during her hospital scene? It's like they've been completely written out of VS.
>>160085164
>Nanoha
>Fate
Who? Those people they want you to forget so people stop comparing the new installments to the old ones that are good?
>>160085164
Because then they would need to pay Nana and Yukari.
>>160085164
Nanoha ran away from home (with permission) to fight space monsters when she was Vivio's age. It's just Takamachi parenting.
>>160085480
Is that like Takamachi befriending?
>>160082612
>Fate ends up as the one living with Nanoha
>Ands up taking a family bath with Nanoha and Vivio
>Fate visits Vivio's school during the festival while Nanoha is possessively clinging on to her arm
Oh, she more than made up for that absence at the end of StrikerS.
>>160085583
I'm not familiar with TH lore, were Nanoha's parents enemies before they got together?
>>160078326
All I wanted was for Rinne to win her own title. At least she got it in the OVA.
>>160082524
This actually makes me disappointed that Vivio hardly ever interacts with the other TSAB members in her manga. In StrikerS a large share of the cast helped out with her and they could have been like a bunch of uncles and aunts that knew her as a baby in the manga.
>>160081781
Not even she's strong enough to destroy plot armor. Remove plot armor and she one-shots.
One more day.
>>160086298
One more dawn!
>>160086325
ONE! DAY! MOOOORREEEE!
>>160078735
>not knowing the difference between traffic lights and boat lights.
>>160088314
The yellow hair in between really sells me on the whole traffic light thing, but this is still funny.
>>160082406
>Okay fine, "killed". I'm still in disbelief at how cowardly they were to have the girls be alive. That was so retarded.
You complain about edgy and want kids killed? WTF, don't you see the contradiction? Also there is your reason why they survived, Nanoha is not edgy shit, its universal theme is "things will get better".
>>160082695
>>160082732
Nove is still a kiddo inside, major Nakajima spotted it and she is caught of guard when he acts friendly.
He might have known she has DNA of his late wife, maybe, although that might have been revealed only later (not sure now, it is in the last StirkerS sound stage).
>>160086298
You mean six more months because we won't see it until the BDs are out?
>>160088976
BDs just in 6 months? Blessed we are.
>>160088976
We will also be watching for spoilers on 2ch and futaba.
>>160088976
Movie is being shown in NA in like 3 months.
>>160088976
You can always watch one of the screenings in the US in October:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2017-07-01/eleven-arts-to-screen-a-silent-voice-nanoha-reflection-films-in-u.s-theaters-in-october/.118311
>>160089721
But I'm an europlebeian.
>>160090969
Time to plan a trip to America
>>160092450
Not him but I am afraid of mass-based weapons.
>>160085603
>Oh, she more than made up for that absence at the end of StrikerS.
Those are all perks of being her mother. I meant that she made up by going to the school with Nanoha during class inspection day, it's been mentioned a couple of times that she regretted missing Vivio's first school day.
>>160093298
Come to Canada then
>>160085164
>why didn't Nanoha or Fate visit Vivio during her hospital scene? It's like they've been completely written out of VS.
Almost certainly that happened offscreen. It wouldn't make sense to have a scene with them there given >>160085417
>>160082736