God, what the FUCK Shinobu.

>>159915893
She was trying to antagonize Araragi to get him to kill her. Though she's a people-eater to begin with, eating the guy was natural for her anyway.

>>159915893
She only becomes Shinobu by the end of the movie, retard.

>>159915893
She's a big girl.

>>159916134
She should just do it herself, it's irresponsible to push the duty on others.

>>159918999
But then she wouldn't be dying for someone. That's not much of a gatari.

>>159915893
She's a vampie

>>159919705
For you

>>159915893
She looks happy.

>>159918999
Letting Araragi kill her would make him human again. Just killing herself wouldn't. Also, her regeneration is too powerful for her to commit suicide if she tried.

>>159918999

Nigga killing yourself isn't as easy at TV makes it out to be.

>>159920253
I know, I've tried several times.

>>159920253
>Nigga killing yourself isn't as easy at TV makes it out to be.

only if you live in some shithole where 7+ story buildings don't exist.

>>159918999
She actually tries to in a different timeline which leads to the apocalypse.

Who was she eating in the OP's picture?

>>159921242
Guillotinecutter. The priest who held cat hostage.

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>>159921242
The guy Araragi bitchslapped at the end of the 2nd movie.

>>159920330
A hospital I worked at was 8 floors with the psych ward on the 7th floor.
Nutjob took a chair to a window, jumped and lived.

People are pretty good at staying alive even when they don't want to.

probably didn't help that he was trying to kill himself at a hospital though...

>>159915893
>maneater
>covered in gore
>absolutely adorable
Why is this allowed?

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>>159915893
Cute but horrifying and disgusting

>>159921370
At that point I'd be pissed that the doctors are imprisoning me to life without my consent, that's just torture.

What the fucking hell is even with the tone of this franchise? It's so inconsistent. First you have Araragi wanting to fuck School Girls who died and are technically now kinda legal and then you have this shit.

>>159921502
I don't know the full story but most of those folks end up there because their families put them there.
Also, even if they were being tortured, most of them aren't lucid enough to know it. Psych wards at real hospitals house all the real fucked up shit.

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>>159921507
idk lol

>>159921507
A story that is grimdark all the time gets monotonous and boring. Being happy and funny most of the time makes the despair all the more potent.

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>>159921507
All the girls are too good for him desu

>>159921507
``An anime must be like the world; it must contain everything.'' - Gustav Mahler

>>159921507
it's french new wave

>>159915893
but rarararargi is kinda dumb why was he so surprised didn't he know what vampires were?

>>159921507
Stories should be more like a stew, rather than a steak.
Stephen King's The Dark Tower is a good example. I still don't know what genre those books are supposed to be.

>>159921736
He thought like you probably did, that she just needed a little blood like in most romantic vampire stories.

>>159915893
That's Kisshot you pleb

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>>159922155
You're right, Shinobu is a completely unrelated character.

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>>159922185
You'd be surprised what some retards think.

>>159915893
She's so cute.

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>>159921837
thats a great analogy anon. stories which adhere only to one genre's expectations the entire time are for the most part bland and uninteresting.

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>>159922341
Vofans better than that dead inside chinaman.

>>159922000
Well, aren't vampires originally the creatures who suck life energy, mostly with blood? Eating humans isn't the most common trait for vampires.

>>159921502
First, do no harm.

>>159918999
In LN, she said she tried to. Even tried to jump into sun. Painful, yes. Deadly for her, no.

>>159923951
If you're talking folklore, vampire as a term is younger than Kiss-Shot herself is supposed to be. Eating entrails is perfectly in line with older beliefs about unclean spirits taking over improperly buried bodies.

>>159923951
To be fair so is growing back your entire head of getting it lobed off.
I don't even know how that makes sense, apparently high class vampires from this series have regenerative properties that rival cell.

>>159923951
>Well, aren't vampires originally the creatures who suck life energy, mostly with blood? Eating humans isn't the most common trait for vampires.
In Monogatari, vampires eat their victims NOT for nourishment, but for removing them from existence. This is important as if they don't, the victim would become another vampire. In this world vampires don't like to make more of their own kind, especially if it is someone they deliberately murdered.

The only thing that vampires need to do is drink human blood from a person (no bloodbags allowed. This is a metaphorical world and not a physical one.). Eating the corpse is just cleaning up.

>>159925150
>(no bloodbags allowed. This is a metaphorical world and not a physical one.).
Citation needed.

>>159921370
>Putting the psych ward on the 7th floor

Hospital admins really know how to clear beds. I assume they have a nice selection of well-sharpened knives in every room, too.

>>159925285
>Citation needed.
Monogatari made it very clear that vampires had to drink human blood from people. There is absolutely zero attempts to do it the modern way of raiding blood banks. This is because vampires are metaphorical like everything else. That vampires who don't attack humans are not really vampires, to the eyes of humanity.

Humanity made the rules. And the rules stay until humanity changes their mind. It is entirely possible for blood bag vampires to become culturally acceptable and normal, and THAt would change the rules. But until then, attacking humans is the only way.

>>159925365
Again kissshot didn't even bothered to try, nor did araragi.

>blood bag vampires to become culturally acceptable and normal
>implying its not.

>>159925482
>>blood bag vampires to become culturally acceptable and normal
>>implying its not.
It exists, but not common. It isn't part of the identity any more than Sparkly Twilight vampires are.

>>159923264
But Vofan is a chinaman?

>>159925482
I think it works by taking the most commonly accepted and known aspects over others. For example, sure it could be made in a story or something that vampires use bloodbags or that a bite isn't what turns them (shoutout to VtM) but when somebody does that it's usually regarded as doing vampires "differently". The standard is that vampires feed from humans, and then the bitten human becomes a vampire.

>>159925532
>It isn't part of the identity any more than Sparkly Twilight vampires are.
But it is and is much more acceptable. Shinobu is just like demented old hag who refuses to use cellphone. Meanwhile arararararagi has no excuse.

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>>159921507
it's cute

>>159925553
Booru says taiwanese

>>159925150
That explains a lot. I always assumed that drinking blood for nourishment and for creating the servant involves some kind of a different ritual, but it appears they just eat them afterwards, if they intended to drink that person's blood just for nourishment.
Was it stated in LN somewhere or did you come to that conclusion yourself?

>>159925616
>But it is and is much more acceptable
It exists, But whether it's acceptable is a completely different matter.
Many works with vampires point out that even when vampires can drink from bloodbags, it's absolutely no substitute for drinking from a live human. It's like taking vitamins for nourishment instead of a well balanced meal.

>>159925704
>Was it stated in LN somewhere or did you come to that conclusion yourself?
It's been part of monogatari lore for some time, I assume it is straight from a novel.

I want to eat priests with Shinobu-chan!

>>159925704
He is just a retard with headcannon. Nothing stated nowhere, besides Kissshot being a cunt and araragi being and idiot.

>>159925808
She manages to look cute even when eating people, but I'm not about to go and grab some human meat for myself.

>>159925703
But Taiwan is best China.

When will this series end already?

>>159920377
>which leads to the apocalypse

explain?

>>159926637
Mayoi Jiangshi.

>>159926637
That anon got the order mixed up. In Route X Araragi died and Kiss-Shot caused the apocalypse out of grief. Then she tried to kill herself, but couldn't no matter how hard she tried.

>>159925994
But if his headcannon is the most logical way to fill in the missing information, isn't it fine to treat it as truth for the time being?

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>>159926637

The vampire says no one ever helped her in 500 years before Koyomi did. That seems hard to believe.

>>159927722
She stayed alone after she lost her first thrall since he killed himself in front of her

>>159921507
its called "shit writing"
nisio ishin is famous for it.

>>159927888
you're confusing monogatari with re:zero

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>>159925994
>nothing stated nowhere
>secondary spotted

wtf

I love bat now

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>>159929331

>>159928775
You're comparing shit to shit here.

I find the shiny blushing artistic choice distracting, it looks like every character is oily and sunburnt

>>159926399
true, I've heard once you get the hunger there is no turning back

>>159925150
>>159929331
nice fanfic you wrote up there, try not to confuse it with actual canon though

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>>159929475
What? It is a scan for the Kizu novel, I just made. page 147 and page 148. I can't help the fact that you are a secondary.

>>159929536
what the fuck is a secondary you retard, I wasn't even talking about your image that is completely irrelevant to the conversation, I was talking about your shitty headcanon speech that is proven completely wrong if you even gave any attention to the light novel or have any kind of reading comprehension

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>>159929475
Here, I'll give you another one.
>n-nice fanfic

>>159929724
>In Monogatari, vampires eat their victims NOT for nourishment, but for removing them from existence. This is important as if they don't, the victim would become another vampire. In this world vampires don't like to make more of their own kind, especially if it is someone they deliberately murdered.
You replied to this post>>159925704
>That explains a lot. I always assumed that drinking blood for nourishment and for creating the servant involves some kind of a different ritual, but it appears they just eat them afterwards, if they intended to drink that person's blood just for nourishment.
Was it stated in LN somewhere or did you come to that conclusion yourself?
This is what you said:
>He is just a retard with headcannon
And I just proved you wrong with page 147 and 148. A secondary is an idiot like you who hasn't read the novels.

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>>159929798
Let me also put in your post there
This is what you said:>>159925994
>He is just a retard with headcannon. Nothing stated nowhere, besides Kissshot being a cunt and araragi being and idiot.
Anon, contain your autism

>>159929739
Once again, another irrelevant image. You're really good at finding pictures that have nothing to do with the conversation. Now find me one that says vampires eat people to remove them from existence.

Nice fanfic, try a little harder next time though.

>>159929467
Now I want to try it to see if it's true

I dont like being that guy who says "read the novel"...but please read the novel before you say some stupid shit

>>159929845
>This is what you said:>>159925994
Wrong, two different people disagreed with you and called our your fanfic.
>>159929798
>A secondary is an idiot like you who hasn't read the novels.
Opposite, I haven't watched kizu, just read it.

>>159929892
>fanfic
Anon are you by any chance retarded? Oshino literally says that vampires could suck blood from humans for two different reason. To create a thrall and or as nutritions. Seeing as how in page 148, vampires seem to generally ''not'' like making thralls, they devour the whole body in order to stop this.

What is supposed to be a fanfic here?

>>159929798
>>159929845
oh and you still haven't answered >>159929847
>Now find me one that says vampires eat people to remove them from existence.

yet, which was the main point of your fanfic

>>159929889
please state your position if you're going to jump into a conversation

>>159929961
Anon, that page was just to show you it was legit a scan for the Kizu novel. Had no relevance to to discussion. Contain your autism. You claim to have read the Kizu novel, but I am highly doubting that.

>>159921507
it's postavantprog-anime

>>159929959
>they devour the whole body in order to stop this.
No where is this stated. Just because you added it yourself after the true statement "vampires seem to generally ''not'' like making thralls", does not make the other statement true.

What the fuck kind of bullshit trick are you trying to pull?

>>159921609
Did it burst into treats?

>>159921507
>first
>then
It's actually the other way around

Reminder to report shitposters who post obvious bait like that retarded who calls canon LNs "fanfics"

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>>159930038
>What the fuck kind of bullshit trick are you trying to pull?
I hope you're done now.

>>159930162
>When not making thralls
>very other human she fed on, she'd eaten like that. She tore them into pieces and left neither flesh nor bone behind.
>That was how she nourished herself when she WASN'T creating a thrall
Which is what page 147>>159929381 was referring to, because Araragi was still in DENIAL about Kiss-Shots true nature as a vampire. Like I said, you are a secondary and don't try to act as if you are not.

>>159930162
Why didn't you post those pages in the first place? Could have avoided all that other bullshit. However as a last fuck you I'll point out that is just Araragi's inner monologue and he's just taking a guess. Also it clearly states that it does give them nourishment when you said it didn't and was just "clean up."

Fuck you

>>159930366
>I was wrong but fuck you
Idiot.

>>159930417
still not definitive proof and you were just as wrong
>hurr iz not noruishment iz just delet existence
Idiot.

>>159930162
Why did they do away with all of the inner monologues that were present in the novels and series for the movie anyway? I feel like it took away so much of the character I'd come to expect.

>>159930366
You sure are energetic, anon. Did something good happen to you?

>>159930482
just bored

its ridiculous to imply that kissshot ate a human in front of araragi just to piss him off instead of for actual nourishment, I won't believe it.

>>159930454
I fucking despise idiots like you. Araragi is literally seeing it happen to GC, a human she does not turn into a thrall. A vampire eats until there is nothing left so that it does not become a vampire. Araragi literally says:
>I'd been told
He just averted his eyes away from it. You are being even more in denial then Araragi retard.
>All those ''proper measures'' were to--eat every fragment of the humans's body. Doing so would nourish a vampire more then any other method--plus, it prevented the human's body from rising as a vampire after bloodsucking
The literal proof if happening right in front of him.

>>159930528
>its ridiculous to imply that kissshot ate a human in front of araragi just to piss him off instead of for actual nourishment, I won't believe it.
Oh no no, don't get me wrong. That is by all means NOT what I am implying. Part of the reason she did that was the edge Araragi on. That is true. Still completely devouring the human body to stop it from becoming a vampire is still a MUST if you don't want a thrall.

>>159930528
I don't know if anybody pointed this out yet cause I'm pretty tired but it's both. I believe it's outright stated in the novel when they're having their conflict at the school.

>>159930528
Of course it is, anon.

>>159930607
Yes it is. She says that she was lost on how to achieve and make Araragi kill her. Until GC fucking walked in on a silver platter. I could search it up and scan it, but no.

>>159930661
Right right, I could've sworn Kissshot stated it herself. Thanks for reaffirming for me.

>>159930366
>>159930528
So I guess this confirms that you are indeed a secondary and that I totally wasted my time on you.

>>159930756
Honestly this isn't something we should have to have problems with. I don't think these movies did a good enough job telling the story honestly, and I've read the novel.

>>159930808
The point to the movie is that it should br watched while having read the novel. I feel that is the correct way. So maybe you should do that, you are not convincing anyone that you did after this whole discussion.

>>159930885
Oh I'm not that anon, he's retarded no matter how you look at it.

I just hold the opinion that an adaption should be able to stand on its own, and not being able to do so makes it a poor work.

>>159929739
Anon can you tell me where I can find an online novel version? I would like to find it to read online myself.

>>159919904
She is acting

>>159930756
Still wrong about that so you're still retarded.

Read it on bakatsuki shortly after the first season was aired. You seem a bit autistic expecting me to memorize every piece of exposition from years prior. You're the one who started the shit flinging with your pretentious bullshit. Pretty ironic because you seem to have read it a lot more recently than I have.

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>>159931208
(you)

>>159931295
>>159930756

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>>159931208
>I-I just didn't remember so obviously you're the idiot
It's okay to admit to being wrong.

>>159931208
Holy kek anon, even if by some miracle you read the novel, which I highly doubt. Then you are still a fucktard for still trying to put up an actual fight after you've been proven wrong and called retarded by multiple anons.

At this point I am more stupid, since I am actually responding to bait like this.

>>159931208
This is the most entertaining post I've read on 4chan in a long ass time.

>>159931208
If you just said like "oh guess I was wrong" nobody would care

>>159929331
>dialogue in first paragraph explains shinobu's motivations clearly
>subsequent segment then repeats what had already been said but in narration this time because fuck nuance.

Nisio's writing is worse than I remember. Must suck having to explain shit over and over in a novel just so retards understand what you're trying to say.

>>159931729
Yeah, it's like the concept of having a brain and being able to remember and memorize details is new to him.

But even without that, he'd the retard who tried to argue without even having his facts straight

>>159931787
but its more entertaining this way, see >>159931729

you guys should be thanking me

>>159931821
Nisio's writing is best out there.

>>159931851
It's not that entertaining

>>159931891
I don't know I got a kick out of it.

>>159931821
The reason that it was not openly explained but only hinted at, is because Araragi was still averting his eyes away from the truth.

It's funny how it was brushed away what a vampire does in order to prevent a human from turning into a thrall. Oshino deliberately did not say it out load.
>Must suck having to explain shit over and over in a novel just so retards understand what you're trying to say.
It does

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>>159931921
>>159931851

>>159931984
I didn't get a kick out of it because I thought he was pretending, but because he was on real, legitimate damage control, anon.

>>159931171
It's still cute.

>>159931984
All of my posts have been 100% genuine how I feel, I don't know why this is so hard to believe.
>>159932016
just responding to the people responding to me, what do you expect? I guess I could just leave but wheres the fun in that

>>159932090
You could just be fair and admit
>Sorry, I was wrong
Instead of going full damage control

>>159921498
she looks delightfully insane and cute :3

>>159932133
I mean I did admit I was wrong, but instead of saying sorry I said he was being a dick about it and gloating

To be honest I still disagree with some of that guys semantics but I don't want to drag that out

>>159932263
Just so you know. I am that anon idiot and I am not gloating about it. You're just fucking annoying from claiming you ''know'' shit, when you don't. And when you do get proven wrong you still try to be an idiot.
>if vampires don't want thralls they need to completely devour the whole body.
I was right, proved it. End of discussion. The more you talk, the more you show hos butthurt you are

>>159932090
As far as I'm concerned we're already in the territory where I don't even care if this is a troll or a genuine retard because either way this is glorious.

>>159932363
Jesus man, I'm sorry I didn't say sorry. I didn't realize that was the part you cared about the most.

>>159932480
Don't try to turn this like that anon. Look at your fucking posts.
>>159930366
>>159930454
>>159930528
You were shitposting even when proving wrong.

>>159921672
Love how "First love" and "Talent" are to the sides, but both of them are sold out

>>159921672
What was the joke?

>>159932577
I don't know what you mean by shitposting, but I mean and believe what I say when I post. Like I said I still disagree with some things, but I'll just let them be at this point.

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>>159932738
>Like I said I still disagree with some things, but I'll just let them be at this point.
Ok anon

So I don't get the ending, his intentions was to keep her alive because he couldn't kill her?

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>>159916134
Kissshot could have gotten what she wanted if she had just eaten Hanekawa.

>>159915893
it's just a kiss.
don't be jelly.

>>159932918
He could, he just didn't.

>>159932918
He didn't want to kill her.
She didn't want to kill him.
But she wanted to die.

>>159932918
How is he supposed to believe that Kissshot actually wants to die after she cried and begged to save her before, and continued eating people "because she would die" otherwise?

In his view he's taking someone depressed about being alone under his care so he can rehabilitate her. Even if that means removing agency and making her a complete dependent.

>>159932999
Realize that in the novel when Hanekawa interfered with Kiss-Shot's plan. Kiss-Shot purposely missed Hanekawa, just so the scare her away. Which is weird, because Kiss-Shot has no reason to even spare Hanekawa seeing as how she doesn't think much of humans at this point. She simply let her live because of Araragi. It was even pointed out how everything around her was intact.

The second one was to kill, when Hanekawa being the weirdo that she is, still tried talking when Kiss-Shot showed all she had to do was look at her and she'd be dead.
>>159932918
Araragi resolved himself to kill her for humanity, because he did not want his actions (him saving her) to lead to more people dying. That would result in the deaths being kinda his fault. Even though he saw straight out reailzed that Kiss-Shot was not at fault, he still could not accept it.

He lost all resolve when he realized what she was trying to do the whole time. Turning him to a thrall, nursing him to health and deceiving him into killing her even though she begged him she did not want to die. He saw that as her true voice and decided he wanted her to live, which was the right choice.

>>159921507
Why does tone have to be consistent? The best series have different feelings at different times.

>"it's just like humans eating cows for meat" - sexual kitty
Every. Fucking. Time. Why does this comparison always need to be brought up when it comes to things higher on the food chain? I would really hope people would be smart enough to instinctively see that at this point.

If only this series wasnt a shitty forced harem.

>>159933422
Yeah, although vampires are hardly superior to humans. They would be wiped out pretty easily in the human vs vampire war.

>>159933422
You'd be surprised how many times this gets talked about. From a natural point of view even by the characters in the novel, she does nothing wrong.

But nobody mentioned this. Let's drop it

>>159933503
Anon, Kiss-Shot herself is enough to win against humanity. if she wanted the world gone, nobody could stop her

>>159921672

Can I borrower 298 yen from anyone

>>159933422

Humans have difficulty imagining themselves as prey, and when we do its horrifying. Why do you think virtually every horror movie revolves around humans being powerless and hunted like prey? We find being prey abhorrent as well as terrifying, which is why we classify anything that eats us as evil. It's human nature.

>>159922155
ACKSUELLY, that's
Kiss-Shot ArcelorMittal Heart-Under-Blade (キスショット・アセロラオリオン・ハートアンダーブレード) the iron-blooded, hot-blooded, cold-blooded vampire.

>>159933514
>>159933657
Well part of the reason is because humans consider their species lives more valuable than other species. The food chain doesn't take intelligence into account.

>>159933657
True, but if you put a little bit of thought into it, I think it's just an instinct to survive. Most humans will never allow themselves to die by being eaten, you'll fight against it.

>>159933568
I love you Anon

>>159933734
Sure, that's part of the reason, but it doesn't change what I said. Humans find anything that eats us evil, and I think it's doubly so for anything intelligent that eats us as we see sapience as sacrosanct when it comes to being food.

>>159933743
That too, I was just trying to explain why the "obvious" would need to be stated regarding something inherently repulsive like a vampire eating a person.

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>>159933707
>ArcelorMittal

>>159915893
To be fair I did get a boner.

>>159925616
Its araragi

>>159933795
>That too, I was just trying to explain why the "obvious" would need to be stated regarding something inherently repulsive like a vampire eating a person.
I am not really following you here, do you mean that you find it unnecessary to even mention that what a vampire does is just the same we do?

>>159934034
>do you mean that you find it unnecessary to even mention that what a vampire does is just the same we do

No, I was saying that needing "vampires eat humans like humans eat cows" may be necessary to point out the moral grayness of what vampires do since humans may have difficulty coming to that conclusion themselves. The initial comment was upset that this needed to be stated, so I explained why the "obvious" would need to be said for the sake of the reader.

>>159934148
Ah, I see

>>159930075
underrated post