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Is Frieza actually the protag of dragon ball? He's the

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Is Frieza actually the protag of dragon ball?

He's the only one calling out zeno being a genocidal maniac.
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>>159911424
He's just mad that he's been outdone in bodycount
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Golden Freeza > SSBKKx10 Goku
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What's his plan anyway?
He says he will rule over Zen-chan.... just how? Is his IQ low, or he actually has a plan?
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>>159911782
He has a plan to kill the GoD so yeah prob a plan
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>>159911856
I can understand him thinking he can rival GoDs, since he can endure a (small amount) of hakai ki, but Zeno doesn't use any kind of force or energy to delete people, he just thinks it, and bam, you're gone.
Not to mention before Zeno there's the angels and the 4 bodyguards.

I'm sure they will pull out some crazy stuff later on, but I wonder what or how. Regular force doesn't mean anything when it comes to Zeno. Freeza would need to trick him somehow.
At most, he's thinking about overtaking the priest and become Zeno's baby sitter.
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>>159911930

Freeza's remarks, from the Japanese, are literally a boast. It's Freeza being Freeza, nothing more.
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>>159911424
>calling out Zeno being a genocidal maniac
>meanwhile he himself was a genocidal maniac

His problem is that his looks don't match his power you dumb pedro shitposting nigger.
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>>159911424
I was thinking of something similar when I seen him say that. We all know he tried to jump universes, so it wouldn't put it past him to try and attack Zeno or the GP at one point and be erased by them. Would be nice to see him ceasing to exist.
should've brought Cell back
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>>159911970
I'd pay for Frieza to be the final villain of DBS. Frieza himself has never been in a situation where he has to plan in order to get something done, but you can tell he is among the smartest characters.
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>>159912589
My thoughts exactly.

Frieza threating do destroy existence with zeno power would be the best shit ever.
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>>159911930
You think Frieza can't trick Zeno? I think he could. Zeno better watch out.
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>>159911424
Is he jealous?
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>>159911782
Depends.
Do the Super Dragon Balls have more power than Zeno?
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>>159911424
If he wins the tournament he goes back to U7, where he would be forced to behave, o reither beaten and sent to hell again. He's the one who has the least to lose if U7 is erased.

>>159916028
They have to be used to wish the erased Universes back, so the Super Dragon Balls have to be able to pull shit over Zeno.
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>>159911424
Haven't watched this arc yet. Did Freeza ever know of Zeno's existence before this tournament arc? He knew Beerus at most from RoF.

Also, what episode is Freeza introduced? Will pick up from there.
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>>159916530
Freeza first appears again in episode 93.
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>>159916028
>more power than Zeno
Zeno is the king of EVERYTHING. Everything was created by him, and everything can be erased by him.
The only thing that could have more power than Zeno would be someone who created Zeno...
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>>159911424
>Is Frieza actually the protag of dragon ball?
Nah, this still is The Goku and Vegeta's Show.
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>>159912589

Freezer is by far my favorite character and I'd marry him if he wasn't gay as fuck
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>>159918397
Why wouldn't Zeno be able to create something more powerful than him? He already gets affected by mortal time travel. The alternate universe where Trunks lives doesn't even have a Zeno right now and still exists, would they even be erased if original U7 loses?
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>>159918397
>king of everything
Toribot isn't canon?
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>>159920320
He doesn't even have a gender, he'd sooner kill you than indulge your pathetic monkey reproductive urges
Hear you beg for mercy, proclaim your undying love before he crushes your very soul
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>>159912335
Stay mad Cellcuck
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>>159918397
>a child can never become stronger than his parents
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>>159918397
Zeno is a retarded kid, he obviously didn't create anything and never showed any int of being able to create things anyway, he only seems to live for destruction.
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That's how a ningen would think of this. Fact is that he just erases Universes with a low mortal rating. It's similiar to the work of the GoDs who are supposed to erase shitty planets to make the universe a better place, he just does it on a greater scale.
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>>159918397
>The only thing that could have more power than Zeno would be someone who created Zeno...

So the Emperor of Everything? Or the God of Everything?
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>>159918397
>The only thing that could have more power than Zeno would be someone who created Zeno

Toriyama?
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>>159924315
That's Tori bot, which is basically an embodiment and an avatar of Akira himself. Said to be even more powerful than the Gods, Angels and Lord Zeno himself.
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>>159920890
they have a new Zeno because whis fixed their shit
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>>159911782
He can already resist hakai and survive in a vacuum. Outside of legitimately dying, he's unstoppable.
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>>159916470
Creating shit doesn't actually take that much effort. King Kai rebuilt his entire planet and he's weak as fuck even on the scale of kaoishins. Heck, he's even canonically capable of making bigger planets based on Beerus' insult on his current one.
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>>159911424
You know what's gonna happen? Freeza is going to talk big, ring out some semi-important dudes, then job to Jiren or Hit, and that will be that, because in the end it always ends with Goku taking down the villain of the arc.
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>>159924784
Well king kais planet is 10 times more "massive" than earth somehow, so it makes sense.
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>>159924851
What villain, you mean goku?
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>>159924851
Frieza will be erased, and it will be about Goku trying to convince Grand Priest is trying to usurp him. Grand Priest and all traitor angels are erased, the end. This arc might be less about "MUH BIG TRAINING AND FORMS!" but then again I'm probably giving Toriyama too much credit since he's a hack.
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>>159925105
made a mistake here: I meant that Grand Priest will try to usurp Zeno.
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>>159918397
>Everything was created by him
I call bullshit, we know nothing who created it, could very well be the priest
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If Zeno is the ultimate God of Destruction, then who's the ultimate God of Creation?
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screancap this
by some bullshit plot Frieza and Goku are going to end up working together
Frieza finally redeam himself and save goku from elimination
He start to respect goku as his rival
1 ark latter he endu up joining the Z wariors like every other jober since Picoro
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>>159925246
Your mom's ass.
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>>159925246
Grand Priest, or the Dragon God - whats his name again? Maybe this entity is the Creator of all, besides Toriyama, of course
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Ready for Goku to win the tournament and use the super dragon balls to wish back all the erased universes?
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>>159925510
You mean since Yamcha right?
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>>159925643
Nah, Grand Priest is just Zeno's attendant. His version of Whis. Dragon God is just that, the Dragon God. There should be an ultimate God of Creation somewhere, as well.
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>>159925790
who?
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>>159925854
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>>159925894
o shit my bad
I forgot about tien
evil guys have beeing redeaming themself and joining the z wariors since tien
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>>159924851
>Goku fights and beats both Zenos
>all remaining universes are saved
>everyone loves Goku now
>they use super dragon balls to wish back the delet'd universes
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>>159926113
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>>159912335
The first thing Cell would do is instant transmission to Jiren and get destroyed.
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>>159926305
>not self detonating and sending everyone flying off the arena.
>regenerate from single cell in center of the arena
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>>159911930
He'll just wish he was as strong as zeno.
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>>159926122
Does she have vitiligo or something?
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>>159911424
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>>159926695
Even for the supposedly all-powerful Super Shenron,
that wish is obviously beyond his power.
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Reminder that Son Goku is beautiful.
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>>159926747
I'm usually a dfc kinda person but fuck, swollen pregnancy tits are the bees knees.
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>>159926122
Caulifla seems to have Vitiligo in that picture
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>>159926747
I thought these were the leaks for the next episode.
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why was thread delete?
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>>159926846
Janitor got too buttblasted after being called a Peter for rejecting the truth about Saiya People.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uInzbCBRvnw
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>>159926870
very well.
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>>159926870
How will Cabba get a comeback?
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>>159926898
I dunno I hope he does well though.
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>>159911930
Didn't Toriyama or some shit say that no matter how hard Frieza trains he'll never surpass Beerus?
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>>159926923
Toriyama is a senile dirty old man.
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>>159926923
Toriyama doesn't have fucking clue what he said yesterday. I seriously don't place any stock in the shite that comes out his mouth.
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>>159927001
How about the time when he COMPLETELY FORGOT that Super Saiyan 2 was a thing?
I am not shitting you, Toriyama honestly thought
that the transformation with "long hair and no eyebrows" was the 2nd one,
until someone correct him, as usual.
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>>159927070
I bet after re-reading the manga he remembered a lot of shit he forgot over time.
>"oh I did that? that was pretty gay of me."
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Like no, man, leave Zeno to me.
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leaks when
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I never paid attention to most of the posts on these threads, so I don't really get this Gohan vs Caulifla argument going on ever since Caulifla was introduced.

I get that Gohan has gotten cucked ever since the Buu saga and will never get redemption and Caulifla is a new Saiyan who happens to be female and a prodigy and they're both victims of shitty writing... so what's with all the hate between the characters?

I understand everybody having a boner for Caulifla, but what does that have to do with Gohan? Gohan has become the Goku of Yamchas, what the fuck does that have to do with anything?
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Shouldn't Zeno power up the GoDs now that so many people seem to be able to fight at god tier
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>>159911424
You're supposed to side with Zeno and Goku. Didn't you watch the episode with everyone telling you, the viewer, that everyone should be grateful for all this? All protagonist characters agreed on this except frieza, you're supposed to see him as ungrateful and shitty for his comment.
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>>159911424
Freeza will be "erased" after his plot fails, at the very end of the tournment universe 7 will be "erased" too, but
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>>159912056
All the Z figyters other than Goku, Krillin and Yamcha were genocidal maniacs, tho.
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>>159927718
Roshi isn't
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>>159926732
>>159926822
I almost fell for that
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>>159926822
Would still fuck her?
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>>159911424
What exactly did Frieza do wrong?

Didnt Goku showup and just start killing all his friends? Didnt Goku also blow up the planet that they were on?
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>>159911424
>>159911782
>>159911856

He will plan something with Frost, which will make the plot interesting at first but then they get btfo off easily by some retarded bullshit, just like Zamasu.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_0zIeh-RJI
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>>159927666
>Universe 7 gets erased
>erasure means no longer existing in THAT dimension
>moved to another dimension where the universes are ruled by nothing other than Kioshin
>there are no Gods of Destruction
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>>159927728
Roshi was not considered a z fighter until literally just now. It's why he never participated in anything during Z. But, yes, you're right. He's not a murderer either. Just a perv.
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It is time.
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>>159924878
>what is density?
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>>159927803
He'll have his little plot, it will be present in 1-2 episodes, then he jobs to Jiren and it's back to Goku Time. Dunno why people debate this, you can already see it being alluded to in the arc preview, go watch it again.
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>>159911424
When is this faggot-looking penis going away ? What about we get some real perfection instead ??
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>>159926496

Cell was best villian
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>>159927070
>until someone correct him, as usual.

No, he mentioned that he had forgotten about Super Saiyan 2 when he talked about rereading the manga before writing Battle of Gods, so no one "corrected him" him since he only mentioned that he had forgotten about it in hindsight (I had forgotten about Super Saiyan 2 and thought it was actually the long haired form before rereading the manga).
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>>159927871

Is doctor piccolo going to save universe 7 by giving zeno his daily dose
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>>159927922
Cell was probably the most awful villain to grace the manga.
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>>159927987
Plus he lost to Gohan.
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>>159927949
He's gonna hakai that ass.
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SSJPedros get out
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>>159926747
NOT CANON
GOKU DOESN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT MAKING OUT IS
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>>159927621
he doesn't give them there power. He just replaces them if they aren't cut for the job. The angels are the ones that train the GoDs to the levels they need to be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwqZPvXAuow
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>>159918397

Toribot would like to have a word with you.
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The tournament is totally gonna end in just Universe 7 and 11 left, but time runs out.

Then Zen-Oh:s remove the normal rules and makes it an all out deathmatch between two fighters from the two universes which will be Goku and Jiren.

Screencap this. Toei will make this happen
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>>159928178

I mean they've retconned the potora and fuck the powerscaling all up to fucking shit cunt.

This is actually plausible.
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Friezas plan is to make the two zenos erase each other with some trick, or by putting them one against each other in some way. There's no way the double Zeno plot won't lead to anything like this.
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Cell isn't in the tournament because he's OP like Buu. He would just regenerate and teleport back onto the stage every time he's knocked off(goku is too dumb to do this).

Let's assume he was on the team, though. Would it be against the rules for him to asexually reproduce in the middle of the fight and just have an army of cell jr.s fight everyone?
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>>159928504
he could that. It's his own power. Same way buu could turn into a shit load of buus and attack everyone

Both would be absurd for a tournament like this and a hassle to animate
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>>159928529
also cell sucks
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>>159928504
>>159928529
Piccolo has that ability too.
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>>159927911
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I seriously hope this tournament wont end with a Goku-Jiren fight
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>>159928504
Did Cell have infinite stamina like the Androids? I only remember Goku giving him a sensu bean for some dumbass reason.
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>>159928915
who cares toriyama failed in making gohan teh chosen one.
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>>159911424
What kind of relationship do they have?
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>>159928986
drinking buddies
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>>159911424
Why do I even watch this?
>2000 episodes of filler fighting filler
>arena is pretty small yet no ONE besides the select 5 are fighting at the same time
What were they thinking? Oh yeah we can barely animate a 1v1 fight yeah let's make a battle royale that will be epic!!!
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>>159928986
A cuckold relationship

Champa has to watch Beerus fuck Vados
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>>159929060
they don't go to U7 often though
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>>159928904
It'll end in a Gokeza vs. Jiren fight.
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>>159927803
He'll betray frost.

His original plan was to kill Goku and get revenge on U7, however now he's seen the Zeno's and angels he hates that there are those who reign above him. He'll want to win the tournament and survive.
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Reminder to protect his smile

U6 will win and Champa will pay Beerus back for reviving U6 Earth by reviving the universes with his wish [/spoiller]
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>>159928986
This honestly made me think Vados was heartless.

Will any of the Angels care when their universe gets erased?
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>>159929139
To be fair Sidra was a weakling and Champa is a fat, lazy asshole

The highest rated universes are the ones where kaioshin, GoD and angel get along well I think
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>>159929139
Cus might care. Maybe Whis would (considering the food).
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Toei pointed out like 2 times in this episode that Goku gave the universes a chance to survive instead of just being deleted right away

They must be salty about the "Goku is the bad guy" meme
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>>159929139
Would you say that Vados and Champa have a KEK relationship?
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>>159911424
I went to the wiki to find the names of some of the fighters from U9, and I found feels instead.
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>>159929119
Wouldn't even be mad if this happened.
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>>159929110
>implying he wasn't going to betray Frost from the start

He really has no choice. Someone has to survive.
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>>159929215
>(deceased)
That's wrong though, they were literally erased from existence.
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>>159929139
Vados has never seemed like she genuinely cares about Champa, though.
At most she maintains her subservience out of duty as she condescendingly lectures or corrects him here and there.
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>>159929139
none of them will. They really aren't attached at all.

Also, she constantly trolls his incompetence by doing exactly what he tells her to and then telling him it's what he wanted when it turns out shitty. She thinks he's a fucking joke and doesn't care at all.
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>>159929265
She was sweet during the baseball episode though
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>>159929223
WHAT IS YURINS PURPOSE

besides being idol va training
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>>159929265
It seems like the Angels are kind of like managers

They pretend to be nice and like you but its just their job, and once you are fired you are forgotten instantly
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>>159929223
she's too busy serving 2 consecutive life sentences on death row for Tien to romance her.
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>>159929230
I believed that from the start but there are many here who think they're going to be a sick team
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>>159929290
>WHAT IS YURINS PURPOSE
NTRing Tien with Chiaotzu
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>>159929256
I want to edit this shit, but, surprise:

>You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reasons:

>The action you have requested is limited to users in one of the groups Users, FANDOM Staff, FANDOM Helpers.
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>the one consistent thing super got right is that tien was far weaker than everyone else
why did tien get shafted
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>freiza goes full evil keikaku
>cell comes in from nowhere and curbstomps him
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>>159929368
>final three are Frieza, Jiren and Goku
>Frieza literally joins Jiren beating up Goku
>voluntarily jumps off himself
>U11 wins
>Frieza somehow isn't erased
>though not from the winning Universe Frieza spent his time brutally picking off enough scrubs that he easily had the highest body-count
>ruined the Goku/Jiren fight so neither could overshadow that
>he survives as the objective MVP
>wishes for his own Universe
>Universe F is born

Monkeys will never recover.
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>>159929448
I mean for >>159929392 reeee
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Literally where is Tien

I dont think I have even seen him on the fighting stage once
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>>159929503
somewhere crying tears of happiness that krillin jobbed first
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>>159925105
>>159925125
I'll believe Goku talk-no-jutsuing Zeno
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>Leave the Grand Priest to us
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>>159927871
Thanks, doc.
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If piccolo went back in time and fused with king piccolo, would he be competent again?
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>>159929624
>no frieza
see me after class
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>>159929503
He's waiting for the moment when Jiren has his guard down long enough to showcase his new technique

Neo Four Witches Tri-Beam
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>>159929392
>Cell was in his perfect form. Nothing can be better than perfect.
>literally can't improve past a point where he's weaker than kid Gohan
nah.
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>>159929792
>>Cell was in his perfect form. Nothing can be better than perfect.

>literally went "Super Perfect" and became twice as powerful
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>>159929624
>angels and grand priests with lots of powers
>WERE GONNA PUNCH THEM HURR DURR

i know this is a fighting manga but Jesus.
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>>159929664
Get lost.
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>>159929792
His perfect form got stronger at least a couple of times
Perfect is just the shape of his head
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>>159929837
Raw power has always > hax and abilities in DB
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>>159929624
Grand Priest is 100% legit and just doing his job.
Everything really is Goku's fault. Before when Zeno wanted to erase some shit Grand Priest would pop up and say "Hey it's snack time!" or "Let's watch Doraemon"

Now because of Goku he has to deal with two of these omnipotent kiddos instead of just one. He can't actively go against Zeno, so there's no way he can stop it from snowballing out of control when the two Zenos start talking to each other about shit.
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>>159929922
Only because Goku's mental fighting skill is already impossibly higher than everyone else's. We're talking about someone who fights time stoppers by performing hard reads with perfect consistency. This isn't new, Goku was always that good. Raw power is the only way to decide anything in DBZ because no one has to learn shit.
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>>159929946
are we ever going to see Zeno say something that shows he's not just a spoiled omnipotent bored child?
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>>159929946
That would be the sensible and down-to-earth explanation - so it's obviously a NO.
Watch Grand Priest have some EVUL KEIKAKU because it's a shonen, and a mediocre one at that.
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>>159929195
>They must be salty about the "Goku is the bad guy" meme
They started that shit themselves
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>>159929119
if all the universes are wished back into one universe, then they wouldnt need gods of destruction

and champa and beerus at least are millions of years old, so whenever they lose their god status they'd probably just die, beerus in this case
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>>159929195
>>159930096
hahaha.

I guess they have to. He is their money maker.
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>>159930043
i like that the manga just makes him look chill and unexpectedly relaxed about his position, he's a lot more interesting than the anime's retarded toddler zeno
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>>159911424
I don't know about all that, but Vegeta is undefeated against Goku.
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>>159911782
is hakai even the same thing as what zen-oh does? same result but two different beasts
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>>159911424
What is Toriyama's obsession with Frieza?
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So why don't they just beat up zeno
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>>159930230
nips fucking love him and toriyama probably just feels attached to him for personal sentimental reasons
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>>159930230
made him lots of yen.
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>>159930230
he was meant to be the final dragon ball villian, the stops being consistent after he was killed by goku and was supposed to end after that but it got too popular so he had to keep going
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Post stupid strategies that could work on the tournament
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>>159930250
Too risky. They should've brought Goten to be his new best friend as a way to control him.
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>>159930286
unsubstantiated internet rumor you gullible retard

if toriyama was completely unwilling to do anything in dragon ball, then it wouldnt have happened
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reminder that this is best girl of universe 7
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>>159930322
>if toriyama was completely unwilling to do anything in dragon ball, then it wouldnt have happened
he wasn't completely unwilling to keep the story going because it was so popular and was providing a lot of income. From a purely story telling perspective it was meant to end then.
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>>159930305
Who?
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>>159930295
>see that group of 5-6 idiots lumped together?
>get my group of 5-6 idiots and bombard their general location
literally free wins
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>>159930343
>From a purely story telling perspective it was meant to end then.
Do you have any fucking proof what you're saying is true outside of "It's obvious!!!"?
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>>159930350
Fuck you
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>>159930295
18 mooning someone to distract him
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>>159930230
Blame Maximum the Hormone
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is this the Super thread lads?
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>>159930189
I agree, even Nigga Zeno from the mangastream translation is more interesting than retard Zeno.
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>>159930381
>holy shit that is some puffy vul-
>gets ringed out
DO IT TOEI
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>>159930295
Destroying a large chunk of the stage to ring out people. Hiding on the top of the pillar for as long as possible.
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>>159930295
vegeta gohan and goku beating each other close to death liike 50 times in the time chamber before the tournament, so that they are op as fuck
Piccolo going to namek and fusing with literally everyone. Also going back in time and fusing with king piccolo before his death
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>>159930350
The one that the GoD can't beat.
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>>159930305
That's the only way Goten could ever become relevant other than being Trunks' power-up.
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>>159930343
>he meant to end it there, but he couldn't because it was too popular!
>no, he meant to keep going, but only because it was too popular!
put those goalposts down and stop falling for random unsourced internet rumors
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>>159930189
retard zeno is toriyama
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>>159930047
This is Dragonball we're talking about

If the angels were bad guys we would already fucking know. Since when has the series been subtle about any villain? The only thing that comes close is Vegeta in buu arc going heel again because he secretly wanted to all along.

they're just indifferent assholes who think mortals and their gods are funny.
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bills
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>>159930295
Piccolo turns into a giant.

He'll take too much room, knocking everyone out of the arena
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>>159930295

Hanging off of the lip of the ring and hoping no one notices the tops of your fingers poking above it.
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>>159930449
are you brain damaged? He meant to end it after frieza when he began the story and he meant to continue it after it became apparent how popular it was. the whole point is that his intention changed over time.
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>>159930443
hopefully island filler does something with him and maron.
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>>159930480
Source
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>>159930189
He was like that in the anime too when he was first introduced.
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>>159930480
>He meant to end it after frieza when he began the story
Do you have any fact to back that up?
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>>159930460
it was subtle abou Zamas at first
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>>159930483
>Maron
t. 17
It's Marron.
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Post best GoD candidate
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>>159930460

Or maybe not.
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WHERE..LEAKS...
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>>159930538
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>>159930570
when they usually drop anon.
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>>159930538
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>>159930471
piccolo should go giant, the chaos would be amazing.
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>>159930599
This is the day they usually drop.
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I miss him, not majora, but autismpup
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>>159930538
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>>159930531
He was salty about mortals from the fucking start.
They only went to meet him because Black's ki was similar. From what I've gathered ki signatures are extremely distinct. Even if he didn't steal Goku's body, he had to have at least wished for a body exactly like Goku's.
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>>159930635
this looked ugly

blind dog ended up cuter
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>>159930635
yiff in hell
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>>159928811

>implying Cell isn't just a reskinned Cashman
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>>159930593
its funny how the lack of muscles in super made me a muscle fag.

Now i know how vince mcmahon feels.
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>>159930538
>>159930570

>Heart of the Cards.
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>>159930652
Correct!

I wonder what his Xenoverse moveset would be?
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>>159930538
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>>159930295
yamcha running like an idiot and making multiple people go after him, leaving room for the others
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>>159930538
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>>159930704
>gets stuck in an old fashion baseball pickle.
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>>159930666
what is it with this guy and huge, protruding, bald eyebrow ridges?
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>>159929139
They're like those guys corporations send to branches to observe and report back to HQ. They'll do their jobs and shit but ultimately they don't care because they'll keep their jobs no matter what happens.
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>>159930538
You already did
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>>159930635
Crushing furry dreams, one paw at a time.
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The donuts Jiren
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>>159930295
>>159930295
Any female discreetly taking off a piece of underwear and tossing it off the stage in front of Roshi.

He's a fucking liar. Puar is still washing out the semen. He's only there to get pissed when magical girl turns fat and maybe stun one person with Last Resort while they get knocked off.
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>>159928666
his is way weaker than cell juniors a buu's splitting

Vegeta and trunks struggled against the cell jrs while piccolo has to split up his already small power level into 4
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>>159911424
Takes one to know one
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>>159930876

DONUT

FILLING
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>>159930047
There would be literally not point of the GP and the Angels if they weren't at least somewhat nefarious. It's the next logical step for an antagonist.
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>>159930870
stop it hurts
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>>159930635
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>>159930940
>the kai claims that EVERYONE is TEAMING up on u7 now
>18 and krillin proceed to 2v1 some random furries
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>>159930765
>he runs like he tries to reach 3rd base and somehow dodges all the attacks aimed at him
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>>159930898
I think he meant actually reproducing
It would take years for the combatant to mature, though. Cell Jr. are born ready to go.
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>>159930480
Nah. Freeza wasn't even meant to exist initially. He was created to be the villain and die in Namek in Vegeta's place since Vegeta was too popular, so Toriyama always intended to continue post Namek, otherwise creating a villain just to allow Vegeta to join the heroes and keep him around for longer would be unnecessary.
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>>159929792
>frieza was in is last form. still asspulled a golden form
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>>159927728
Roshi committed genocide on all that pussy he got.
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>vados hitting champa with the top banter
best girl
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>>159911782
Frieza has always been the typical villain that talks shit and never delivers

the mcgregor of the anime universe
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wakey wakey gohanfags
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>>159931204
vegeta in freeza's place would have been badass
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>>159931311
Did he ever hit that pussy?
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>>159918397
But anon, if zeno has a creator who created zeno's creator?

That's why atheism is a failed illogical religion.
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>>159931321
what does this mean?
>>
LEAKS!!!
> Goku gets overwhelmed by Zamasu, nearly dies
> Goku finds Zen-Oh button
> He forgets what it does but presses it anyway
> Summons Zen-Oh in his PJ's
> Annoyed to be woken up, he begins go destroy the Universe
> Time Machine is broken
> Trunks heals Time Machine
> While they are leaving, Zamasu chases them
> Trunks uses Solar Flare, stunning Zamasu
> Picnic scene at Capsule corp, includes Tights and Jaco
> Sad Trunks
> Gohan suggests that Trunks helps rebuild Cell's timeline
> Vegeta/Trunks farewell similar to anime
> Grand Priest saw everything through godtube
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>>159931315
>never delivers
>was literally the emperor of the universe
>DESTROYED planet vegeta
>killed krillin, vegeta, and nearly killed piccolo
if any villain talked shit and undelivered it'd be cell
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>>159924851
Bringing Frieza back was a just ploy by Jewriyama to make people watch more shitty tournament sagas
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>>159931252
You got that right
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>>159931415
I liek moosle bunny
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>>159931405
>Trunks heals Time Machine
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>>159931405
>Trunks heals Time Machine
Nice try anon
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>>159927987
this

Cell was an editor's idea because he didn't like the androids
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>>159931405
>Trunks heals Time Machine
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>>159931367
It means that Caulifa is going to make Gohan job harder than he jobbed to that yellow dog.
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>>159931405
God Toei shills are desperate how many times are they going to pull this fake leaks shit?
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>>159931367
ebin meme samefag keeps trying to force every thread

then he waits for a little bit and posts a gohan wojak falseflag because he thinks he thinks waiting will make it look like its not him
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>>159931578
Keep dancing, little puppet.
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>>159931611
Go die or something
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Was it ever said that Trunks CAN'T heal/repair inanimate objects?
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>>159931657
Stop falseflagging you little piece of shit
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>>159931633
seething
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>>159931532
>Jerez
>Beers
>Geen
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>>159918397
>Everything was created by him
Nice headcanon.
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>>159931325
That would mean giving Vegeta non-Saiyan henchmen that are stronger than him which wouldn't make sense.
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>>159931523
what will he do now with his freedom
he didn't seem to go into stasis or anything
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>>159931405
So does Trunks go back to a future where the universe has been erased or is it the same bullshit the anime did?
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>>159931226
>asspull
Retard.
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>>159931908
Read that shit again.
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>>159931411
Why does that edit work so fucking well?
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>>159931831

Oozaru would still place Vegeta above everyone else in Namek. Zarbon and Dodoria likely would be weaker since Gohan and Kuririn would need to deal with them somehow.

The Ginyu force could keep the same power and then Goku rescues Kuririn and Gohan and deals with them. The big question is how a rematch with Vegeta would keep the same hype as the original. He'd need a new form too.
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>>159930538
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>>159931439

That art looks tight!

... and hot.
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>>159927789
milk her dry
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>>159931532
>Universe 2 – Jerez
A-Anon, please...
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>>159930295
Kaioken x10 super sayan blue spirit bomb
works everytime.
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>>159931411
Top Lel
>>
i just want those shitty alternate universe saiyans to get beaten to a pulp
is that too much to ask
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>>159930295
Teach 17 human extinction attack
17 goes to the top of the pillar
Android barrier
Spam human extinction attack forever because unlimited energy
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>>159932111
that would only kill tien and roshi
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>>159932091
Soon, anon. Soon.
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>>159932111
Unfortunately dragon ball characters are stupid.

Also Jiren could probably tank the attack and kill him with one of his finger.
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>>159932141
I can't tell if he's serious, and that's very concerning…
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>>159932141
The goal is not to kill, the goal is to rain blasts down until everyone gets knocked out of the ring. Collateral damage doesn't even matter, as long as no one can reach him when the ToP is over U7 wins.
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>>159931578
True.
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>>159932195
>human extinction attack
>attacking non-human fighters
ok, maybe gohan too since he's a mixed breed
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>>159930295
>Teleport to a target
>touch target
>teleport out of the ring
>untouch target
>teleport back into the ring
>repeat
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>>159932213
it doesn't literally have to only target humans. he could just rain generic fucking ki blasts down.

you're a real fucking stupid piece of shit, you know that? you're a real autistic cunt. you have shit on your dick. you're also fat.
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>>159930295
Bring Mr Satan and bribe every single competitor to let him win
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>>159930295
Buu fuses with Goku, Gohan, Frieza, Vegeta, Piccolo. Then have 9 random people on the team, while Buu rips Jiren in half.
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>>159931681
Well fuck you too bud
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>>159932320
>Buu with Goku, Gohan, Frieza, Vegeta, and Piccolo absorbed
>farmer with shotgun
>Dr. Brief
>Puar
>Turtle
>Maron
>Barry Kahn
>Jaco
>Pitbull Pete
>Mr. Lao
>Bora
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How many people does Buu have to absorb to become equal to the Zeno's?
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Out of curiosity, what is this move Frieza's doing? Is there a name for it?
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>>159932009
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>>159932463
anime laser beam
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>>159932256
Goku cannot teleport to place which doesn't have life-force nearby.
Remember, he couldn't teleport to Earth from Beerus' planet, because he couldn't sense a energy.
However, if he grabs an opponent and jumps out of the ring, like Nink, and THEN teleports to safety, it would VERY likely work.
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>>159932463
Emperor's Death Wave Crasher Beam Bang
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>>159932463
Generic beam.

There's literally no difference between a kamehameha, masenko, big bang attack, etc. besides the name. All of em work the same.
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>>159932463
Death Cannon
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>>159932506
Yeah that's what I figured, but that's why I assumed it had a name
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>>159932494
>he couldn't sense a energy
>a energy
I see you, Pablo.
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>>159932506
big bang attack is a ball not an energy wave anon
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>>159932494
This is probably the reason there's a Yardrat entrant. So we know for sure if it works
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>>159932494
He has teleported around in combat before, so he can use it within a fair radius.
>>
What would happen if the two Zenos tried to erase each other at the same time?

Would their powers even work?
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>>159932506
Yeah no difference that's why Gohan bothers to learn the kame when he has been using Masenko since he was fucking 4, makes sense
retard
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>>159932506
Some of 'em anyway.

Krillin's death disc is usually useless but when it does strike its good at cutting body parts.

And Frieza's death beam works like a laser pistol and penetrates rather that explodes.
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>>159932531
Wait, is it A energy or AN energy?
Because AN energy just sounds wrong.
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>>159932607
Are you genuinely fucking retarded?
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>>159932647
Neither. Just "He couldn't sense energy".

can I have a taco?
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>>159932440
Depends on who he absorbs.
He's not like Cell. Cell can absorb humans with his tail and get stronger. If Buu absorbs humans, he gets weaker.
This is going to sound very fanfiction tier, but here it goes.
If Buu absorbed all characters introduced before the current tournament excluding Zeno, and if absorbing Cell somehow made him able to become stronger with every weakling he absorbed, he'd probably be Zeno tier.
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>>159932607
Cool headcanon anon.

Gohan always knew the kamehameha technique but didn't like to use it because his real dad was piccolo.
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>>159932707
There is no Zeno-tier you spastic hobgoblin. Zeno can just delete shit because he wants, it doesn't matter how strong you get, you're not just going to suddenly develop that ability.
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Coould Shaggy (green shirt) beat Super Buu (Jiren absorbed)?
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>>159932647
"A" is before words that start with consonant sounds.
"An" is before words that start with vowel sounds.
So it would be "an" energy.
You are welcome Jose.
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>>159932647
>AN energy just sounds wrong
It rolls off the tongue much more easily than "A energy", which is why this rule exists.
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>>159932748
>Alejandro trying to correct Fernando's English
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>>159932736
Pretty sure hakai is dependent on power level. At least in the manga
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>>159932736

We now have characters who can practically ignore Hakai.

Zenos erasure methods are next to be nulled.
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>>159932781
There's literally nothing to support that in the manga or the anime. You could argue that you have to have god ki to use Hakai but that's about it.
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>>159932719
>Gohan always knew the kamehameha technique
Cool headcanon anon.
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>>159932494
>Goku cannot teleport to place which doesn't have life-force nearby.

The entire ring has life force nearby.

Goku can control distance: he can teleport within inches of your face or many feets away.

If Goku doesn't exploit this ability is because "muh saiyan pride", pretty much like the zenkai they could abuse by hurting each other repeatedly and eating sensu beans 'til godhood.
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>>159932800
Goku using it
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>>159932494
didnt he mention in this episode or the previous one he can't sense opponents' energy?
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>>159932748
>"An" is before words that start with vowel sounds.
Good way to put it, "sound" is the keyword here. One would not put "an" before "usual", for example. But often people mechanically follow a rule and make such a mistake.
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>>159932590
But we don't know for sure how energy-sensing works IN the void.
ON the ring, it works just fine, but what if your mind gets fuzzy, once you fall down in the darkness?
For example the butterfly-girl, and the parrot-dude, seemingly forgot how to fly.
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>>159932788
>We now have characters who can practically ignore Hakai
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>>159932736
They said the same thing about Majin Buu and look at him now, he's a total bitch compared to even Roshi.

Rules of logic don't apply to DB, its a wrestling anime show.
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>>159932841
>Goku using a technique means the technique is dependent on power level
What drugs are you on?
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>>159932897
just dabbing right now
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>>159932876
Yes but Buu could never just delete the entire multiverse by thinking about it.
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>>159932890
>Couple

Champa is a cuck.
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>>159932914
>just dabbing right now
It shows, you stoned piece of shit
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>>159932865
>but what if your mind gets fuzzy, once you fall down in the darkness?

Legit headcanon. There is no "darkness". They are surrounded by and exist within the void. It all has the same properties.
>For example the butterfly-girl, and the parrot-dude, seemingly forgot how to fly.
Former admitted to being a forgetful dumbfuck; latter got his wing cut and hit full-on with a kamehameha.
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>>159932890
Posting the real cutest couple
>>
I have a tapeworm guys

i'm fucking scared
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>>159932876
>They said the same thing about Majin Buu and look at him now, he's a total bitch compared to even Roshi.
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Things the anime did better than the manga:

Goku's transformation into SS
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>>159932800
>There's literally nothing to support that in the manga or the anime.
The fact Goku needs to use Blue and concentrate the power in his hand seems to indicate it has some kind of power/energy prerequisite. If god ki was all that's required Goku could've presumably used it in God form without much of a problem.
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>>159933003
Most transformation scenes in general as they're punctuated with a soundtrack.
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>>159933003
Nah. Anime missed the entire point of the scene, as Toei usually does. It was supposed to be quick and sudden, where it confused and scared everyone around him
They got it right on the remake though
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>>159933003
>Goku's transformation into SS
Nope.

History of Trunks
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Is the "true" canon of DBS whatever is in both the manga and anime?
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>>159933042
They got SSj2 right, then ruined it on the very next episode
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>>159933057
Yes
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>>159932435
That's long distance and mostly because he doesn't know where to go. He can teleport short distances by just knowing where he's going as he often does when combining instant transmission with kamehameha and other moves.
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>>159933069
so both SSG Vegeta and SSBKK Goku aren't canon?
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>>159933042
It worked better for the medium the way Toei did it.
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>>159933057
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>>159933042
>Nah. Anime missed the entire point of the scene, as Toei usually does.

They didn't miss the point, they willingly took a different approach to better suit a different medium.
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Chapter 323
>Goku: let me finish this fight vs Freeza, if you don't let me, i'll hate you forever Kaio!

Chapter 325
>Goku: I quit, i don't want to fight you anymore

Now this Is what I call shit writing.
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>>159933098
>SSG Vegeta
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>>159933098
Yes
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YOU'RE GOING DOWN NOW, JIREN, THIS IS MY LIMIT BREAK FORM, SSJ MINT! Haa... I'M SO FRESH NOW! PREPARE YOURSELF!
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>>159929119
Fuck you! I've never thought of this one, but you can be right. All of those tension from Champa towards U7 should have been a clue.
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>>159933057
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>>159933135
SSJMint Broly when?
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>>159931523
Oh shit. This guy already has a deal with Freeza.
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>>159933042

The point of SS at the moment was "a calm heart with an unleashed rage"

Toei showed this better with Goku literally blinded by rage
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>>159933127
Not enough saiyans to perform the ritual on Beerus's planet
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>>159933119
Not sure if baiting or retarded but I'll explain anyway.
He fought Frieza out of personal pride and to overcome the challenge before him.
With Frieza and his pride reduced to nothing, there was no challenge. As a martial artist who (generally) objects to killing, Goku saw no personal reason to continue.
Frieza was beat.
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>>159933150
On the other hand, the most succesfull fighter will make the wish and not the God of Destruction.
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>>159932963
As for the parrot-dude, the Kienzan barely even cut 1/8 through his wing, and the Kamehameha from Roshi wasn't even a max-power one.
So the best explanation is MUH PLOT.

As for the butterfly-girl, she even admitted that she, at the moment, forgot how to fly.
So edit the Void fucks with your head; or she is retarded.
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>>159933110
They completely missed the point. They went for "omg crazy epic" and ruined the whole point of SSJ at the time. They got SSj3 right but SSJ1 was bastardized.

>>159933101
Yeah no. Things that they changed that actually worked better was Future Trunks gaining his SS from Gohan's death, that was perfect and captured the tone

>>159933181
>Toei showed this better with Goku literally blinded by rage
Lol bullshit, they just wanted to make it look epic. Random lightning and dark clouds, get outta here. You were just impressed as a kid
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>>159933181
That's a weird way to say tingles.
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Would she rather fuck Champa or Cabba?
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>>159931532
>>159931805
>>159932009
>Cucktail
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>>159933239
Champa, obviously.
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>>159933221
>hahaha no you don't actually think that it's just nostalgia I'm superior
I just re-watched the entirety of DBZ last year you pedantic elitist fucking twat. The way the anime did it still looks better for the medium.
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>>159933219
>the Kienzan barely even cut 1/8 through his wing, and the Kamehameha from Roshi wasn't even a max-power one.

It was still enough to dizzy and cripple him, though. It was right in the face to some fodder character in a wifebeater.

>As for the butterfly-girl, she even admitted that she, at the moment, forgot how to fly.
>or she is retarded

That one. She herself framed it like "whoops I fucked up", not "wow the void has some mind-dampening effects".
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REMINDER
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>>159933221
>They went for "omg crazy epic"
Like Toei always does. I hate that shit.
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>>159933219
>As for the butterfly-girl, she even admitted that she, at the moment, forgot how to fly.
I interpreted as that she "forgot to fly", not "how to fly". Meaning that she was so shocked by the attacks against her that she panicked and locked up.
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>>159933221
>SSJ
>SSj
>SS
Make up your mind, Eduardo.
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>>159933262
>He disagrees with me, he must think he's better than me!!! I'm offended!!

Grow up dork. Get some social skills
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>>159933221
>They completely missed the point

Again, they adopted a different one for a different medium. Manga and anime are different things and they took the one more suited to something overtly cinematic.
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>>159933268
Doesn't the fusion dance give you that crazy clothing?
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>>159933268
goku and gohan havent fused yet?
Huh.
That would be interesting.
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>>159930295
Scratching your asshole and smelling it
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>>159933262
>I just re-watched the entirety of DBZ last year you pedantic elitist fucking twat. The way the anime did it still looks better for the medium.
>What is nostalgia
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>>159933221

In the manga Goku was just as angry as when he noticed everyone died vs Nappa

His SS transformation was literally just 3 panels, no any significant resemblance of being mad as fuck, just a "HNNG, GNNG YOU ... KILLED KRILLIN" ,no Scream no anything.

Toei handled the unleashed rage of a calm heart better

>they just wanted to make it look epic

So, you admit it was better.
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>>159931411
I thought Toriyama's favorite was semi perfect Cell
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>>159933268
They're losing out on fusion merch if they don't do this.
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>>159933221
>a Pedro can't grasp the stylistic differences of entirely different mediums

Not surprised.
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>>159929119

I would pay real money to see this.

It won't happen except in fanfiction because Goku has to save the day. All day. Every day.
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>>159926870
How I inherit the blood of saiya people?
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>>159933277
Me too. Most of the flaws of DBZ are caused by Toei trying to be epic.
For example, Goku and Cell's staredown.
In the manga, it's a simple, tense meeting with Goku being stern and them sizing each other up
Toei decides to add a random fucking thunderstorm
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>>159933361
>His SS transformation was literally just 3 panels,
And? You want Toriyama to spend several pages on a transformation that's just a yellow spiked hair?
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>>159932987
Send me an egg or something, I want to lose some weight too
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>>159933331
Potentially just the jacket, and his shirt is ripped off anyway
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>>159933327
>>159933361
>>159933387
>/a/ is filled with whiny manchildren who can't handle someone not liking what they like
Wow what a shock. No wonder you kiddies like the DBZ anime so much
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It's pretty obvious that the next two universes to go are going to be 4 and 10 in that order.
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>>159933431
>people tell you it's a simple stylistic difference and that both mediums have their respective approaches
>"N-N-NO YOU CAN'T HANDLE SOMEONE NOT LIKING WHAT YOU LIKE"
>"TH-TH-THIS IS WHY TOEI RUINED IT REEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

Is this peak Pedro?
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>>159933355
>What is nostalgia
Clearly you have no idea.
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>>159933268
It's just Goku hair when he's about to transform you idiot
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>>159933408

I want to see Goku's repressed anger getting out AKA the original point of the SS transformation, something that Toei did better.
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>>159933414
I went from 68kg to 62

I feel like shit all the time

Fuck man it's awful
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>>159933321
>I have this opinion
>lol no you don't, you don't really think that, you were just impressed by a kid
>wow what a twat
>LOL U MAD?! GROW UP KID
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>>159933481
>IT HAD CRAZY EXPLOSIONS SO IT WAS BETTER HAHAHA
That's peak pedro
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>>159933431
I was just telling you that the manga/anime took different approaches. If anything, sperging out about how Toei missed the point and ruined it like you are is much closer to "stop liking what I don't like".
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>>159933482
You're a dumb ass. You like it because of nostalgia. It had a strong impression on you as a kid and now you'll never change your mind
It was objectively inferior. That is fact. And that is why even Toei changed it when they did the RoF special to make it just like the manga.
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>>159933431
>can't handle someone not liking what they like
>I actually disagree with you, Toei took liberties to suit a different medium
>LOL NO YOU WERE JUST IMPRESSED AS A KID
Okay Paco.
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>>159933526
>/a/ is full of whiny manchildren who can't handle someone not liking what they like

(You) becoming a parody of yourself. A true mental meltdown. BTFO.
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>>159933509
It's sapping the nutrients in your food. Take some multi vitamin supplements to compensate, you'll start feeling better in no time and possess a symbiotic relationship with your wormie.
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Toeishills are acting up in this thread again? Do they have no lives?
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>>159933560
>It was objectively inferior. That is fact.
Imagine being so far up your weeaboo ass that you think your opinions are facts.
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>>159933496
>I want to see Goku's repressed anger
That wasn't present at all in the anime though nothing was "repressed" about it he was just mad as fuck.
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>>159933431
t. Whiny manchild throwing a shitfit about how toei ruins everything
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>>159933560

You're the only one saying it was better so no, it's not a fact, just an opinion.

everyone Is telling you it's a different approach yet you're here sperging out.
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>>159933589
Nah I'm going to the doctor first thing tomorrow

I just dread having to shit it out
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>>159933610

>He was just mad as fuck

Yeah, and Toei handled it better, Goku literally grunts for 2 panels and that's all.
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How are the Japanese fans reacting to the tournament of power?
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>>159933606
>Arguing over a Japanese anime vs a Japanese manga while using an Anime girl reaction image and you have the audacity to call the other guy a weeb
My fucking sides
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>anon claims that the DB manga did Goku's SS transformation better
>several another anons respectfully disagree and state why
>retard spergs the fuck out and starts telling everyone to grow up and stop being whiny manbabies
You can't make this shit up.
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>>159933680
>retard starts strawmanning in desperation
BTFO. I accept your concession, Pedro.
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>>159933684
But you're wrong. The manga is factually better and Toei ruined the scene
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>>159933672
>Yeah, and Toei handled it better,
By dragging the simple transformation out by making Goku stand there grunting longer? To each his own.
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>>159933598
I love his GREEN earrings
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>>159933677
I bet most of them are enjoying it without making a chimpout
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>>159933723
>My opinion is fact
Do you understand how retarded you sound?
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>>159933268
>>159933350
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I jus want to know how my favorite character Vegeta will ingloriously job out of the tournament

Will he slip on some goo and fall off?
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>>159933723
This is the truth.
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>>159933723
>>159933806
>he's samefagging now
At least I hope so. I don't want there to be two retards who think their opinions are universal facts.
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>>159933712
>EVERYONE WHO ARGUES WITH ME IS THE SAME GUY
Kek, the paranoia is real
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>>159933752
Not to mention Freeza just stands there and lets it happen. Didn't he want to prevent a Super Saiyan from coming about?
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>>159932647
You don't use a/an at all in this case because energy isn't a singular thing
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>>159933806
>>159933852
>>159933752
Yep, the anime added way too many unnecessary padding to the scene. The sudden lightning bolts and dark sky, while taking forever to transform and Freeza just watching
In the manga, it was quick and sudden, nobody knew wtf was going on, and Freeza resumed his attack
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>>159933752

>Literally a turning point of the series
>Turned Goku from a tired monkey to the strongest Warrior of the universe.

>Simple transformation.

By showing Goku trying to contain his rage, getting his eyes blinded by rage and a powerful scream because of his dead friend.
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>>159933784
He's going to get BTFO by Kale and you know it.
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Just chillin here, waiting for the episode where Beerus sees his brother disappear
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>>159933127
It's super sayan Green. Sorry about that.
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>>159933919
>Simple transformation.
Yes, yellow spiked hair that's all.

>By showing Goku trying to contain his rage
He wasn't trying to control shit, he even said while transforming that he wanted to make Freeza suffer.
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>>159934002
>By showing Goku trying to contain his rage
>Gohan get out of here while I still have some control of myself
I'm beginning to think you didn't read the manga and are just shitposting.
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>>159933723
>>159933806
>>159933918
Hello Pablo, Paco and Jose.
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>>159934056
This shit here is how you know you're dealing with some dumb kid with no arguments
Ignored
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>you're wrong, my opinions are facts and if you disagree you're a whiny manchild who can't handle differing opinions
>I will now samefag
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>>159934056
>yeah, pssssh the anime added way too much, it made it impossible to focus because I have ADD, I need things kept simple or my tiny spic brain starts to hurt
I think they've had too many tacos personally.
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>>159933327
>Manga and anime are different things
Yes, but that doesn't stop manga based anime from adapting their manga source beat for beat. Of course some changes need to be made to better flow with the adaptation from still-frames to moving ones (and to account for things like voice-work, commercial breaks, etc), but Toei didn't have to draw the transformation out /because/ it's an anime adaptation. They drew it out because that is (for various reasons) what they decided to do.
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>>159934090
>implying there is even any "argument" to be had

It's literally just a simple matter of opinion and you're too triggered to accept that people may disagree with you.
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>>159934048
We're talking about the transformation itself faggot no the aftermath. The anime made no effort to show Goku trying to contain his rage while transforming.
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>>159934090
>you have no arguments
>ignores all the reasonable arguments people have posted and acts surprised that no one is taking him seriously anymore after he sperged out autistically and pretended that his opinions were facts
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>>159929838
I hope they mention Broly just for movies to be canon and therefore Cooler by extension. Cooler is my favorite movie villain
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>>159934048

That happens AFTER he transforms.

The only thing he says Is " I.. won't forgive you", "h-how dare you!?" While grunting.

Suddenly he has white hair.
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>>159934150
>>159934141
Yeah because random Racist insults like "lol Paco" is such a reasonable and mature argument
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>>159934156
Making Broly canon doesn't make all the movies canon you dipshit
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>>159934090
>>159934168

>no arguments
>has been throwing a five year old tantrum, claiming everyone is a nostalgiakiddie, plugging his ears and screaming that his opinion is superior

Why would anyone take you seriously?
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>>159930331
She isn't a buufu anon
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>>159934117
>yeah, pssssh the anime added way too much, it made it impossible to focus because I have ADD,
Ironic since the pacing of the anime sucks, dragging scenes out or lingering on too long.
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>>159934168
There were plenty of reasonable arguments when you first voiced your opinion of the manga handling the transformation better, you stupid triggered fuck. The insults came after you went apeshit and started insinuating that everyone who disagreed with you was wrong and that your opinion was the only true fact.
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>>159934199
fuck off back to your containment general >>>/vg/
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>>159934204
>Implying I'm the same person even though he's still arguing his point
you fucking idiot. You're defending these lame ass racist shit that's spammed for every argument. Grow up
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>>159934125
I never said they HAD to. I said they CHOSE to.
Him suddenly and quickly transforming would've looked dumb in an animated format considering the build and hype that went into it.
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>>159934261
>waaaah racism hurts my fee fees
If you really aren't the same person, try not jumping into a discussion when you've only read half of it.
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>>159930570
Tomorrow you dunce!
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>>159934182
Whatever you say, Freeza
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>>159934246
>Everyone who likes something out of Xenoverse is from /vg/
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>triggered mangacuck Pablo got mercilessly BTFO until he apparently fled the thread, presumably to cry into his taco while masturbating with the DB manga
It's been a good morning.
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>>159934246
>muh stinky monkeys REEEEE!
k
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>>159934325
Fuck off Cooler, Golden form is prettier
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>>159911424
It took him 4 months to reach the level of SSB(somewhat)

5-10 years of training is all he needs to surpass zeno.
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>>159911424
Frieza might be evil, but he is preferable to whatever the fuck Grand Priest and Zeno are supposed to be. Better be ruled by a demon than by fucking Azathoth in child form.
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>>159934277
Not really. It's all in how it's handled. It's dumb that Freeza waited for him to transform.
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>>159934384
U just jelly fifth form is bigger, has a mask and a fucking crown
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>>159934430
Look at this shit you edgy muh spikes faggot. This shit is cooler than you'll ever be
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>>159934413
True but that's just a common trope you have to accept in shonen shows – many genres, in fact – like this.
The villain standing around waiting for the hero to charge his super-final attack or reach his pinnacle of power is standard fare and never really makes sense. Nor, in many cases, do Batman's villains not just pumping bullets into him the first time they incapacitate him.Or every Bond villain choosing to monologue in-front of him.
It's just dumb villainy stuff.
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>>159934413
Characters being retarded and standing there shaking and staring at an oncoming attack/transformation is a staple, not just of DB but of shonen in general. Think back to how many times the characters would sit there screaming "IT'S NOT POSSIBLE" while their opponent charged a Kamehameha for ten minutes.
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>>159934472
Maybe, but Frieza's brother is still Cooler
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>>159931226
Cell also so Frieza's DNA, so he could improve quickly and adapt his own Golden form
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>>159934094
This would work better as a singular panel if he was powering up or going super saiyan. As it is now just makes it look like a cropped, butchered meme without substance.
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>Toei is actually going to try to redeem Frieza and turn him into some Vegeta-type anti-hero

Gonna be amazing if this happens. For a long time I thought even these retarded, braindead, good-for-nothing hack writers were able to comprehend with their inferior ape brains that Frieza is actually really fucking evil and not "haha look i'm such a jerk lol" evil. Let's see what happens.
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>>159934579
oh yeah you fucking faggot? what are you the meme police? the joke SWAT team? the quality controller of humor? fuck out of here with your shit you little troglodyte
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>>159930043
He got deadly fucking serious when his guards stopped goku from walking up to him and said he would erase them.
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>>159934410
He was above SSB when he reached Golden
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>>159934579
That would look better if it was posted on /trash/ instead of /a/
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>>159934637
Exactly. Frieza is the true MC, people just don't realize it yet. Fuck goku and the other shitters making the series lame
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>>159934637
Nice headcanon
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>>159934501
I believe that trope was popularized by Dragon Ball in the first place, no? A lot of modern shonen tropes came from Dragon Ball.

Getting mad at it now would be like getting mad at seinfeld for a joke you saw in some modern sitcom.
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>>159934617
>Frieza going to get redeemed before Raditz or Cell
What a time to be alive
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>>159934472
Did someone say...

> cooler
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>>159934619
Calm down Pedro before I call the powerlevel policia to behead your dumb ass in el biblioteca.
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>>159934666
Weak bait anon.
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>>159934637
Yeah, but all he could do in hell was mental training. He got rid of the efficiency problems of Golden Freeza, but during the time he was there Goku and Vegeta caught his level. Not to mention Goku can just kaio-ken in Blue to be stronger. All the more now that the writers forgot kaio-ken was supposed to put a strain in the user
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>>159934716
GET LOST!
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>>159934741
Why would you specifically want to execute someone in a library?
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>>159934617
DBZ made Freeza more evil than he was in the manga.
Vegeta was probably even more evil than Freeza.
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>>159934716
>>159934766
When will we ever see Frost's brother Thin Ice?
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You faggots are so bored that you actually transferred the DBS manga vs anime arguments into DBZ vs DB manga arguments
This thread is terrible
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>>159934763
Freeza only needs to do like 1 hour of push ups to reach SSB KAIOKEN 20 Goku
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>>159934832
t. the retarded Paco that started sperging out when he found out 100% of the thread didn't agree with his opinion.
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>>159934798
The dub made him even eviler. Freeza in the original is more of a sadistic businessman. In the dub he is an edgylord. They also made Cooler hate Freeza, Broly a complete psycho and so on.
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>>159934834
Worst part is this is probably true. Took him four months to reach that level, in a single day he'd probably kill Hakaishins with a finger
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>>159934872
>Freeza in the original is more of a sadistic businessman.
That makes sense considering Toriyama based him off real estate speculators, or "the worst kind of people" in his view. I guess Toei didn't know how to accurately portray that kind of subtle evil so they just made him a raging sadistic edgelord. That bit where he licks Krillin's blood off his face makes me cringe.
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>>159927789
No, thanks.

I don't like indecisive women.
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>>159934774
That's the national headquarters of the powerlevel police in latin america.

They punish many high crimes such as slander towards GT, disliking Goku and calling Xicor a stupid character.
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>trying to argue the anime did SS better
>the manga version is undoubtedly one of the most well known things in Shonen history and was made when Toriyama was still near his peak.
>really captured the direness of the situation and how fucked Frieza was at that moment with the sudden transformation and a Legendary super saiyan in his face.
>arguing Toei did something better than /our lord/Toriyama.
>literally arguing against Toriyama himself and not even his chosen successor Toyo
>both Kai and the original dub had too much filler anyway
>leaks still not out yet.
hmm
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>>159934941
>They punish many high crimes such as slander towards GT, disliking Goku and calling Xicor a stupid character.
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>>159934957
The Pedro who thinks his opinions are facts has returned.
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NEW thread

>>159934994
>>159934994
>>159934994
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>>159934957
>his chosen successor Toyo

His chosen successor is the Dragon Ball Room. Any way, let's not discuss Toriyama's decision making skills in his senility.
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anyone else kinda annoyed that god ki hasn't become the new standard?

Like, the explanation for how to use god ki by Goku makes it seem like anyone of them could gain some level of god ki if they learn to "not let their energy leak out".

That's all we fucking get. Hell, I see no reason why the U6 Saiyans can't get Blue in a short time, they clearly understand their bodies and ki just as well and have a strong base with the ability to articulate what's happening better. "Don't let your energy leak out" seems like a damn easy concept, as much as "a tingly feeling in your back".
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>>159934808
Just picture me dressed up like Hit friend.
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>>159935013
Why are you arguing against the source material anon?
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>>159935056
I'm not arguing against anything, I'm voicing an opinion. I know it's hard for your spic brain to differentiate between the two, but that's all it is.
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>>159932463
I thought Frieza's beam wave had a name, It's called Last Emperor I think.
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>>159934413

He was shocked, not waiting.
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>>159934579
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>>159935128
Whatever it was, he let Goku's Loading Animation play out for too long.
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>>159934662
When this show ends, you'll still be making threads about it until they get pruned to trash.
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>>159935206
>When this show ends
>ends
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>>159934957
Toeishills.
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>>159935412
>anyone who doesn't agree with my opinion must be a Toeishill
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>>159927596
gokufags falseflagging
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>>159933057
no, akira's raw outlines lack much dialogue or storyboarding.toei and toyo do their own thing with them. not an authentic work of the author. nothing is canon. just official licensed material like gt
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>>159934156
The only good part about Cooler is the jokes with his name
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I enjoyed this episode, the best parts are Vados's joke and Beerus and kaioshin focus into Krillin.
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>>159936080
>shin stare.jpg
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>>159932256
>>159932494
I'd mentioned this prior, in a different way:

>place a floating ki blast above the ring, or more reliably, have Piccolo stretch his arm out over the ring and concentrate his energy there
>grab people and instant movement them to that point, then IM back to another teammate
>clear out most competitors in a few seconds
>if the ki is destroyed or Piccolo's arm is damaged, simply IM to a teammate if needed
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