Can Oda apologists/Luffykids ever recover from this? They are the biggest losers of this arc.
>>159867003
Luffy got what he wanted this arc.. and he was dragged away by sanji
The readers are the biggest losers of this arc (and the three arcs before).
If Luffy could guarantee a one v one with Big Mom, he'd have stayed, but they were horribly outnumbered
I've been reading the W7/Eins Lobby arc. I forgot how badass Sanji and Zoro were.
>>159867003
Oda's smarter than his Luffykid fans. He wont sacrifice a good story that makes sense for the sake of some autistic fans.
>>159867003
Are we even reading the same story? Luffy and Big Mom were evenly matched when he was in Gear 4. He only got tired because he'd been fighting all day.
>>159867719
>Luffy and Big Mom were evenly matched
>>>>>>>>>>evenly matched
Also Luffy ate and rest before the assasination plan
>>159867719
>Luffy and Big Mom were evenly matched when he was in Gear 4
BM was smiling when clashing with Luffy. Luffy has also done nothing to increase his power since the Cracker fight so i doubt he's suddenly BM tier.
>He only got tired because he'd been fighting all day
We still dont know that for sure. It is possible Luffy was out of energy in that moment but his dialogue seem ambiguous. Its entirely possible BM absorbed his power.
>>159868057
Doffy was smiling when he clashed with Luffy. Guess that explains why luffy got his ass whopped
>>159868280
>Comparing Doffy to BM
Do you think this makes sense anon?
>>159867003
>Crew split up
>Submarine right near BM
>Pursuit team happening
Why the FUCK are you people so goddamn retarded? Arc isn't over, this is just buildup to a second climax
>>159868366
>this makes sense anon?
No I dont. Just as I think using a smile as proof makes no fucking sense either.
Jesus Christ, having only binge-read One Piece very recently, people weren't kidding when they said that weekly chapters are fucking boring, how do you guys keep your investment?
>>159867719
>evenly match
Shes not even warmed up.
>>159867208
luffy was going to be killed. I thought the 2 years would have made him smarter
>>159868438
The vast majority of manga is like this if you're following weekly. You either adjust after years of practice or you read in spurts. Or, you're one of those losers who refuses both of those solutions and just bitches about it constantly.
>>159868438
by not thinking about it 6 days out of the week
Why is Nami such an annoying rotten bitch? When is she gonna be gang-raped and thrown out of the strawhat crew?
>>159868399
>Just as I think using a smile as proof makes no fucking sense either.
It does given the context of that smile. Luffy was struggling this arc with a sweet commander and would've lost without Nami's help. It was also pretty clear to everyone who wasn't a Luffyfag that BM wasn't going to get defeated this arc so that smile had more weight. It meant Luffys no where near her level. Doffy on the other hand was obviously going to get beaten that arc. Context matters.
Oda, where's myfriendZoro?
>>159868379
>Crew split up
What does it matter? As if all 9 Straw Hats would gang up on BigMeme.
>>159868585
>It does given the context of that smile.
No it doesn't. You could say the same exact thing for when Luffy clashed with Doffy and said that he smiled cause he knew he was stronger....thats not a good reason at all. I'm not disagreeing with you that BM is way stronger than Luffy but using a smile as a reason for showcasing BM's strength is straight up autistic. She could just as easily have been enjoying the battle
>>159868581
Soon
>>159868672
>What does it matter?
It means that the arc will prolong even further you dimwit. Brook and Chopper are heading back into the eye of the storm and Katakuri is sending a pursuit team to the SH and FT pirates...This is buildup of tension, which means we will get a second climax. Oh gee, what a great way to tie up all the loose ends of this arc?
>>159867208
>>159867313
>>159868379
He is running away. Stop trying to defend what is not defendable.
Oda is a shit writer and Luffy is a pussy
>>159868805
>Oda is a shit writer
Hackposters were also escapefags. Now who wouldhave thunk?
End game right here, brothers.
>>159868862
That's not what happened in the manga. SaNafags are so delusional.
>>159868805
>Oda is a shit writer
That would be true if Luffy stayed and fought. Something Luffyfanatics cant comprehend.
>>159868805
It's excellent that there is a Shonen where the protagonists have to run. If Luffy had punched Big Mom out of the picture (kek) the series would be sinking in quality.
>>159868681
>You could say the same exact thing for when Luffy clashed with Doffy and said that he smiled cause he knew he was stronger
I already explained why its different. You might as well just have left it at
>No it doesn't
>>159868957
>>159869009
You're missing the point. Read OP's picture.
Either Oda thinks his fans are retards that would eat anything he throws at them(is true btw) or he is losing his touch
>>159869265
>I already explained why its different.
Your "explanation" is the same one that shippers use. You presume that the context of BM being stronger than Luffy means that her smile indicates how she viewed the fights as a joke, just like shippers presume that the context of a certain action indicates romantic feelings. Using a shitty reason as a smile is not good logic. Theres no reason to say that she wasn't smiling out of excitement either.
Whats his endgame? Was he trying to kill BM just for shits and giggles?
>>159869474
He also needed her dead so he could get away from her. But also shits and giggles.
Someone once had a small list of chest sizes for some OP girls. Anyone know what I'm talking about?
So is the arc over?
why do people automatically assume urouge solo'd the sweet commander
don't get me wrong I love his meme but it just seems kind of stupid, doesn't it
>>159867003
It'd have been shittier writing if he'd continued to fight with Big Mom after the initial clash. He's thinking more like a captain now, putting the lives of his crew ahead of his pride. He saw what happens when you decide to be a hardass and take on heavyweights above your pay grade
>>159868057
I like that Sanji wasn't even surprised by G4.
>Oi Luffy sto-huh, he's some kind of roided up rubber gorilla now
>Whatever, let's just get his dumbass out of here before he kills us all
>>159868681
Doffi a arrogant piece of shit tough, he was also smilling when Kuzan showed up, despite Kuzan being in a other league.
>>159870306
Well to be honest he already seen him suddendly steaming and "teleporting" around, having is limb inflating to gigantic proportion.
>>159868923
This is what they ACTUALLY see.
I'm dumb
what's draining his powers?
I mean, he's running from a yonko to go beat another yonko
idk what you guys are making a fuss about
>>159870610
He is pissed, that's whats going on there.
>>159869474
Bragging rights. As of right now he and Luffy are the only members of the Worst Generation to have directly attacked a Yonkou and lived. His notoriety and infamy is going to rise dramatically just for having survived the effort
Why do people ship SaNa when Nami has been such a bitch towards Sanji this arc? Luffy was more understanding towards Sanji then that fucking whore.
>>159870679
Aren't they the ones who did the most damage to Big Mom crew until now ?
>>159870659
but he looks weakened in the following chapters too
>Shipping on one of the only romantic-free shonen
>>159870610
Using Gear 4 over and over again vs Cracker made him waste too much haki. Using it twice vs Doffy knocked him out for days.
>>159870705
The problem is that Sanji is as much, if not more of a whore than what Nami is.
>>159870728
Yup. They've royally fucked her shit up, she's practically mind broken right now from how how she got double teamed. Capone, Ceaser and Luffy are going to become the most notorious names on the sea for the next couple of days till the Revs steal the spotlight at the Reverie
>>159870422
Lol true. As expected of the future Pirate King, I guess
>>159867003
I don't get it?
>>159870947
basically
>he said he wont run again
>yet he running from BM in the latest chapters
tho afaik BM is not his priority right now, another yonko is
he just wanted sanji back asap
>>159870705
Nami wasnt being a bitch at all. Her slapping Sanji was perfectly justifiable from her pov and her "i'll never forgive you" was mostly a gag. Im not the shitposting SaNafag but i do ship them. The reason is Sanji seems to really care about Nami. To me he cares more about her than any other girl and it would suck if Oda breaks his heart by not getting her EoS. I know Oda said he wouldnt include romance and i would be more than fine by that but if he did i would hope he would ship them. Plus they look good together.
man
those 2 years of training really improved his fighting skills, didn't they?
>jobs
>>159871306
>2 years of training
>jobs
They gave problems to a yonko, that's pointing something out.
>>159871306
I mean he miles away from ex-luffy
but I was surprised he had to go all out just to defeat another shichibukai
>>159867003
>>159871441
Zoro > Big Mom
>>159871441
>zoro just walks up and slices the whole island
>>159871198
Dude, you're not entitled to a person just because you like that person alot. You SaNafags are creepy as fuck.
>>159870633
>"BIG MAMI IM GONNA KICK YOUR ASS!"
>runs away like a little bitch
I'm starting to think Oda is forgetting who Luffy originally is
will the straw hats get raid suits?
>>159871306
I am also shocked at how little sanji grew
it's as if he only got a weak haki and can jump in the air
>>159871609
Nami will challenge the vinsmoke to a drinking contest and win a raid suit for her best friend Usopp.
then we get Sogeking vs Van Ogre
>>159871567
I don't think you understand how fictional stories work
>>159871551
Nami isnt a real person anon. I would never say that about anyone in real life. However, One Piece is a manga and Oda has repeatedly made Sanji go wild and fight for Nami. He's done this as a friend and as someone who is in love. I think including all those moments deserves a pay off. I dont know if it'll happen (actually i doubt it) but its something i would like.
>Luffy fights Kaidou before Mam
he declared it, confirmed
>>159871567
I mean he had no idea just how strong a yonko could be
she just stretched and stopped G4 with a hand
but I get your point
if anything Oda should be more literal on how luffy makes some desicions
like
>dam she stronger than I thought
>>159871306
>Zoro defeats full bodied haki Pica in one strike
>Sanji breaks his leg to non haki, normal mode Vergo
The signs are planted in our faces. Sanji isn't cut out to be a serious fighter like Zoro or Luffy. And i've been a big fan of the hunter Sanji since forever ago, the truth really does hurt.
>>159871567
>characters motivations and intentions don't change given the circumstances
That's not how it works, little guy
Is it better to read OP week to week or periodically drop it for a few months and then catch back up?
>>159871900
I do the latter
feels more fun than waiting for Wednesdays
Alright how is the crew strenght going
1. Luffy
2. Zoro (and we haven't even seen him all out)
3. Robin
4. Sanji
5. Brook
6. Franky
7. Ussop
8. Chopper
9. Nami
hbu guys
>>159872176
guaranteed replies
>>159870610
BM drained his powers. I'm sure his fight with Cracker raised his G4 time limit immensely
>>159872176
1. my favorite character
everyone else
last. your favorite character
>>159872176
Ussop will always be the weakest strawhat
I can just see Luffys first encounter with Kaidou now
>Hey Kaidou!
>Hmmm?
>Gear 4th!!!
>Kaidou now looks interested, grins
>Alright boy, take your bes-
>WHABAM! Luffy nails him full in the face, cutting him off
>Proceeds to unleash a nonstop volley of attacks, is actually throwing Kaidou around
>Crew cheers!!! Holy shit Luffy might actually do this!
>Luffy nails him with one last attack, slamming him through several meters of solid rock
>deflates into a puddle of slack rubber
>Chopper, Nami, Usopp all the weaker members of the crew are crying tears of relief, heavy hitters looking stoic and impressed
>Nami and Ussop start running towards their captain
>STOP!!!!
>They pause, looking confused
>Luffy stares straight ahead, exhausted, fearful
>Nami suddenly notices his hands
>The skin of the knuckles is split wide open, torn
> shots of Zoro, Sanji, Franky and Jinbe suddenly looking very serious
>A voice booms from the massive dust cloud ahead, "Are you done little pirate-boy?"
>Kaidou emerges
>UN-FUCKING-SCATHED
>"what a dissapointment"
I can't fucking wait
>>159872452
>fearful
Wrong
>>159872452
>inb4 10 year timeskip
When will Usopp and Nami have sweet children ?
>>159867313
Big Mom is about to take out her whole crew. So Luffy will get his one v one with her soon.
>>159872750
Nami's pregnant anon. Child arc coming in 2019.
>>159872444
Ussop can defeat Nami
>>159872816
Usopp has been and will be the weakest in strawhats. ONE PIECE 10th Treasures (2007)
>>159872452
Then Zoro has to step up for his Captain's faults
>Oi yonko Kaidou.. Have you ever been cut before?
>Zoro pulls something out, its his bandana
>He ties his bandana to his head
>Equips all 3 of his legendary swords
>Zoro clads them in haki and flies towards Kaidou
>Zoro mutters something under his breath
>The nine mountains and eight seas..
>Theres nothing i can't cut!
>SANZEN SEKAI!
>Shocked expression from the strawhat crew
>Luffy smiles.. shishishi! he laughs
>Panel zooms out
>KAIDOU HAS BEEN CUT IN HALF!
This okay-ish thread (for now) needs some Viola to push it to the top.
>>159872176
>Implying God Ussop couldn't destroy anyone on that list.
>>159872452
Bonney and Moria are gonna turn Luffy into Nightmare Gramps to fight Kaido and Law will use Haki transfusion to fix Gear 4's weakness by having everyone donate Haki to Luffy.
Zoro would oneshot every single Big Mom crew member except for Katakuri. Luffy could barely handle the weakest commander with Nami's help.
WITH THIS I SUMMON THEE!!!
THROUGH THE HOLY RITUAL OF ORANGE AND STRAW!!! THROUGH THE CANON PRACTICE OF INTERPRETING COLORSPREADS I SUMMON THEE!!
RAISE YOUR UGLY HEAD FROM THE DEPTHS OF YOUR NEET DESPAIR
RISESANAFAG
>>159872873
some people just can't appreciate god-tier aim
>>159872176
1. Zoro
2. Zoro
3. Zoro
4. Zoro
5. Zoro
6. Zoro
7. Zoro
8. Luffy
9. Everyone else.
>>159873230
>god-tier
Well, he is a god. I cant be surprised by something already implied.
Changed it;
Who wins between General Franky or Monster Chopper?
now try this,
Franky full build versus all points Chopper
>>159869347
Luffy still has the same attitude though. Thankfully his crew (Nami, Sanji and Chopper) are saving his ass. Luffy will defeat everyone of the Yonkos (and Akainu) but not know. If Oda made Luffy beat BM right now he would be a shit story teller. Luffy needs to struggle more against his first Yonko than his other opponents.
>>159873429
Franky because Chopper would like
>>159873517
People dont get the point of Luffy's character. Why do you think he has crewmembers in the first place? He's intentionally made a dumbass who himself has admitted that he couldn't even wipe his ass without his crew...Thats the point. Just as the crew needs him to complete their dreams, he needs the crew to complete his. It's their job to restrain his shitty qualities just as its his to bring out the best in the crew. He wont suddenly become "mature" cause him being reckless is part of his core personality.
Is there a Doujin where Sugar turns someone into a dildo and plays with her new toy?
>>159873731
that sounds really funny.
Year of Jinbe's deathnext chapter
>>159869347
There is no point, other than the fact that you're severely autistic and incapable of understanding basic storytelling
>>159873517
>he would be a shit story teller
Thats just your opinion dude. If he made BM fall by the hands of Luffy in some concievable way--akin to Luffy vs Oars, then I would be enjoy it as well. Theres ways to do it without it being "shit storytelling"
>>159873878
What will you spam when Jinbe survives and becomes a straw hat???
>>159873928
the beauty of Jinbei surviving is he's mortal, and therefor will eventually die in his life, so there will never be an end.
>>159873913
Except BM is just too strong, the current alliance doing something like what happened with Oars isn't very believable
>>159873913
If he set this arc differently from the beginning i would agree with you but thats not the case. The point of this arc was always saving Sanji. The people who ignored this believed Oda was gonna have Luffy defeat BM with no build up whatsoever. I knew Oda wouldnt do that because i have faith in Oda as a story teller. If he actually did what those fans were expecting it would have been terrible imo.
>>159874020
Nah you're just overhyping her. I'm fine with escape but the gap isn't that large. Oars single handedly decimated Luffy's entire crew..BM has yet to do the same. Hell Enel did the same yet even quicker...There's ways to bring her down without it being an asspull. BM for all her hype has never decimated the SH crew as bad as some previous antagonists if you actually look back at it.
>>159874103
>The point of this arc was always saving Sanji.
The "point" of alot of arcs was something different than the end goal. That's why I kept an open mind throughout and still do, so if something doesn't go a way I expected it to I dont end up disappointed and resort to calling Oda a hack.
>>159873517
>>159873896
Luffy said "there's no more I'll beat you up later" but that's literally what he is doing now.
Kys retarded Luffyfags. No wonder he is your favorite character you are autistic just like he is
>>159874216
Luffy doesnt want to leave anon-kun. Thats why his crew is forcing him, that was my point. Im also not a luffyfag so you kys.
>>159874216
Luffy is stubborn. He needs an entire army to defeat Big Mom. He was just supposed to go in, get Sanji, and leave.
>>159874371
>Luffy doesn't want to leave
Are you even reading the manga? Are you just that stupid? Luffy said "I'll beat you after kaido" aka later.
Something he said he wouldn't do. You might be more retarded than your self insert Luffy. And that's saying a lot
>>159867003
Why couldn't Luffy beat Magellan?
>>159870679
>>159870728
>>159870888
Fuck off speed readers.
Urogue defeated a commander by himself and lived.
Also talked to another Yonkou and lived.
Kidd already got BTFO two times by a Yonkou and lived.
You Caponefags are retarded.
>>159871306
This. None of the Supernovas needed training.
Only a shitty baby like Luffy needed training.
How disappointing.
>>159872941
not gonna happen. Like, never.
btw i think we aint gonna see anything about kaido up to the 850ish chap.
>>159874468
it was uncomfortable
>>159874538
>this character isn't superman so it's shit
>>159872452
Luffy is incapable of giving damage equal to falling thousands of feet in the air from the highest point in One Piece and then hitting the ground head first and then getting up like nothing happened.
Kaidou is durable as fuck.
Luffy would die if he tried pulling the same jumping stunt as Kaidou.
>>159874468
Because he was more focused at rescuing Ace.
>>159872941
>>159874591
I think it is time for Zoro's swords to be broken again in my opinion.
Kaidou would be a good excuse for more of Zoro's swords to be broken once more except for one.
>>159873205
I think the Haki Genie would be able to ignore Zoro to be honest.
Also, Big Mom's chef who can turn anything into food has a chance of turning Zoro's swords into food.
Srs question, how can Luffyhaters even enjoy One Piece? I mean sure he lost in a 1v1 but dude won the war against BM. She's in the process of eating her kids and had her castle destroyed, poneglyphs stolen, most important possesion destroyed, and he's likely gonna leave WCI without any losses. Even if BM doesn't go down this arc--splitting up the crew and BM entering her rampage and actively diminishing her forces brings up the possibility--Luffy's and his group still won. They were going in with the goal of rescuing Sanji and bringing back the poneglyphs...which they accomplished.
Just utterly fascinates me that people can read this manga while hating on the MC. You people must have been having a terrible time for the vast majority of One Piece.
>>159874725
>calling out Luffy for the retard he is means you hate him
Only because we are not children and fanboys of him doesn't mean we hate him.
Then again it's Oda's fault for losing his touch
>>159874468
doesn't make sense for pre timeskip luffy to beat the chief warden of the highest security jail in the world
>>159874468
Dude nobody could beat Magellan.
Blackbeard was lucky that Shiryuu provided everybody with antidotes to Magellan's poison.
However, a big plothole is why was there a need for so many antidotes to Magellan's poison conveniently located near Shiryuu?
Magellan doesn't look like he poisons people on purpose, part of the big reason why he kicked Shiryuu's ass.
Shiryuu was executing prisoners whenever he felt like it and Magellan was That ain't right and I'm gonna fuck you up.
>>159874725
>stop criticizing Luffy wahh
Not an argument
>>159874782
>>159874820
Dude...thats the point of Luffy's character. He's not a mary sue. Which is why he has reliable crewmates who cover his faults. If you haven't realized that by now over 870 chapters of this manga then maybe you really should kill yourself. Such such a level of retard can surely not function well in society.....
>>159874725
I doubt anyone here actually hates Luffy. We just argued he couldnt defeat BM this arc.
>>159874725
because >old op was best op and >we're just too invested to leave etc etc etc
>>159867003
>I can't understand a manga meant for 9 year olds
retard, if luffy had his full crew + allies with him he'd have fought big mom, but he's smart enough to listen to sanji/nami when they told him they shouldn't fight now
Timeskip was a mistake. We didn't need one. None of the other pirates needed one either.
Nami and Robin's character designs were better before the timeskip as well.
>>159874864
>Dude...thats the point of Luffy's character
And you can criticize these character traits without "hating" him. Its not that complicated anon.
>>159871441
KEK
>>159874932
Luffy didn't listen shit. Brooke, Chopper, and Nami told him we gotta go earlier and Luffy ignored them.
Luffy didn't listen to anybody at all. He only stopped resisting when he became exhausted after Gear 4.
Luffy can't handle it when Pirates verbally bait him.
That is why I can see Akainu pulling the same shit talk and Luffy getting somebody else killed because Luffy can't handle the banter.
>>159874864
There needs to be consistency. If not the story is shit.
Again he said he was done with the "I'll beat you up later" yet he goes and runs like a pussy this arc saying "I'll beat you up later"
I mean if you like bad writing then eat it up. But don't complain when we call Oda and Luffy on it
>>159874932
Hes referring to the Luffy kids that kept posting those pictures trying to prove "BIGMEME" was going down this arc.
>>159871441
At the moment, it really does seem like Zoro is the strongest member.
>>159874637
nope
because he's made of rubber
>>159875035
Thats cause he actually values the words of his crewmates. Which would ordinarily be a good thing but I guess in this situation he's a pussy? Like what...how's that inconsistent with his character. Doesn't mean he's afraid of BM just that the words of his crew actually mean something to him, which is a good quality for a captain to have.
>>159875130
Luffy still gets hurt from non haki attacks.
So whats the argument, Luffy should have tried to fight and get blown the fuck out?
>>159875186
Certain ones, yeah, but I bet falling isn't one of them.
>>159875142
He didn't listen to Nami though
He also told big mom himself he was going to beat her later.
Stop embarrassing your self
>>159875239
Did you not read OPs pic? Fucking read it >>159867003
Luffy is a pussy who just talks big.
Or the obvious that Oda's is losing his touch and can't keep concistecy with what he has Luffy say
The One Piece anime is a slideshow. Japanese animation fucking sucks.
>>159875283
>He didn't listen to Nami though
He met her halfway..You do realize that had he not gone out and blocked BM's punch alongside Sanji, both Sanji and Reiju would have likely died right? It was actually good that he went out, cause him doing so prevented casualities
>He also told big mom himself he was going to beat her later.
Yeah...and? Nami didn't tell him never to fight BM again...You really should start reading the manga without bias cause you clearly hate the character. I'm sure you'd enjoy One Piece a lot more if you did so.
>>159875334
So the argument is characters have to 100% abide by what they say regardless of the context of when and why they said it?
>>159873255
This tbqh
>>159875401
>BM's punch
Stopped reading there. You're not even reading the manga. Of.course a Luffyfag is this dumb
>>159867003
>people are so retarded they'd rather watch Luffy fight a losing battle and will then bitch about how Luffy is stupid enough to fight a losing battle
>>159875142
>>159875494
Overinflated ego. Check
Tough guy attitude in the internet. Check
Spee D. Reader. Confirmed.
Reread the manga my friend. Cause you're clearly spewing bullshit.
>>159874725
Does me complaining about Sanjis perverted gags make me a Sanjihater?
>>159875538
Yeah Luffy was definitely at fault there. Dude clearly got baited just like Ace..however a man that doesn't listen to his crew would never say this. At the end of the day they were able to convince him to leave and he listened to their pleas. Things are never so black and white and for all his faults Luffy does respect the wishes of this crew.
>>159875668
Anon, did you even noticed Zeus?
>>159875893
She used Zeus to enhance her punch you gigantic dumbass.... and had Luffy not assisted Sanji, he would have been overwhelmed and both him and Reiju would have gotten seriously hurt or died....go hide and respond to other posters cause you clearly dont know what you're talking about.
I haven't read since they went on that big elephant. Should I continue with the anime to save time, or is it as bad as people say? I watched the anime till fishman and it was pretty good so i don't know what to think
>>159875998
People generally consider the current arc to be one of the worst in One Piece so far, so I would stay away from One Piece for now.
>>159875887
>Yeah Luffy was definitely at fault there
And saying that doesnt make you a Luffy hater. Thats all Im sayin.
>>159876100
Damn, things were looking up towards the end of dressrosa. Things kind of got weird with the elephant, so what went wrong after?
>>159875998
Watching the anime is slower, not faster.
>>159876100
>People generally consider the current arc to be one of the worst in One Piece so far,
Not really.
>>159876186
I wouldn't take that at face value, it's mostly different fags spurging about what ever the current plot is
>>159867719
>EVENLY
fucking lol
>>159868057
I loved lack of comment on G4 from Sanji.. I had that theory from long ago where he learned on Okama island Life Return and can use it now to turn into Ripped Form. Something alike to Characters from Baki Dou. Reason for not using it would be that his face and body get him to look Okamish or maybe like Judge and he is avoiding using it. So that would add to his lack of reaction on Luffys Gear Fourth.
>>159871011
I'm still not sure how I feel about this "Haki regenerating" shit. I accepted haki when it showed up as a natural extension of a character's overwhelming charisma and willpower, which makes sense in the world of One Piece. But here it is getting mired in that bullshit power level trap.
>>159872452
>Zoro openes his closed eye
>it's sharingan power
>makes short work with Kaido
>Kaido: "D-Don't kill me, master Zoro...."
>Zoro: "Hmmph. Weaklings deserve to die."
>cuts Kaido in half and teleports to his crewmates, but he lands in Raftel
Mark my fucking words, assholes
Why does Reiju look so bad in this cover?
>>159876136
Then its not directed at you. But looking through the replies, there are people here who actively want Luffy to lose and think of him as a shit captain...which is what I am against.
>>159877099
I disagree. I would say most of the people here have valid criticism of Luffy. Expressing those criticisms and even insulting his by saying hes stupid doesnt mean they hate him. Those who want Luffy to lose are just saying it doesnt make sense if he beats her now. I dont think anyone here wants Luffy to repeatedly keep jobbing. Only when its necessary.
It seems to me your just mad people are talking about your favorite character in a non favorable way.
>>159877406
Then I disagree with your disagreement. Cause he's not a shit captain at all. People here are crticizing him for his recklessness and stupidity but forget to realize that it is those very same qualities that allowed a group of nobodies to become literal Yonko disruptors and major enemies of the WG in the span of two years. But he's not perfect and never will be. And for those expecting him to "grow up" its not gonna happen. He needs the crew the temper his outrageousness but meanwhile the crew needs his recklessness to push themselves towards new heights...Its always been that way. If he wasn't stupid and if he wasn't reckless the SH crew would still be scraping by in Paradise now...
>>159877684
But your still not getting my point. You claimed the people here that criticized Luffy hated him. Im saying thats not the case. You might disagree with their points but you cant claim they think what they think because they hate Luffy.
>>159877896
Nah, I doubt that no one here doesn't hate Luffy. 4chan is a contrarian as fuck board, I'm sure there are posters who despise the MC. But hey who knows, you might be right.
I understand the criticisms of Luffy, particularly for this arc.
He had a damn near suicidal streak this whole arc and lucked out immensely twice on a scale that's some of the largest he's had in the whole series, which is saying something. What makes it more annoying is the fact he's the one willing to instigate and start a start a fight almost anytime despite needing immense luck to not just get outright slaughtered on Whole Cake Island, let alone put up a fight. If Luffy wasn't taunting the Yonko by saying he'll wipe the floor with them and such it would be more fine.
>>159876770
Don't complicate it, it's just another extension of stamina..
>>159867003
Fighting big mom would be running away. Since two arcs ago Luffyw as going for Kaidou before Big Mom
>>159871822
Zoro is an armament specialist, Sanji is an observation specialist.
It showed this arc against a goddamn commander too.
>>159867003
True words right there.
Luffy ran away like a coward.
Nevermind what Roger did or did not do, Luffy just buried himself with that stupid statement. He acts all tough when no Yonkou or Akainus are around, but he'll scurry away like a rat when the going gets tough. Luffyfags BTFO forever.
>>159879321
Sanji literally had to drag him away from Mam because he wanted to fight so bad.
His stated intention was only to rescue Sanji anyway, that's why he left half his crew on Zou.
>>159879321
luffy is 19, he can't be doing dumb shit like this right now, of course he's going to get rolled.
He needs more experience/training
I really do wish he would acknowledge/reaffirm this point. The big talk does need to stop or at least be qualified..
>>159869979
From what we saw last chapter, it's officially over. Maybe 1 more chapter where the hack tries to tie up huge plotholes, then we move on to the next nothing happens arc, the reverie.
>>159869979
Yeah pretty much.
Mam wrecks half her crew & SH/Capone escape amidst the chaos.
>>159872452
Thank goodness you're not writing One Piece
If Luffy had his way this arc he would have torn his arms off and then gone off to fight Big Mom and the rest of the Sweet Commanders
>>159874798
>near Shiryuu
He went and killed everyone in the offices, where he got the antidotes, having been in a position of power, he knew where everything was, so getting around the prison and finding things wasn't a problem for him
>>159874798
They probably have some inventory where they have antidotes in case something happens.
That's where Shiryuu probably got them.
>>159879802
This isn't the first time Big Mom's kids experienced her frenzy.
Katakuri can handle this.
Snacks and Cracker should have woken up by now as well.
>>159879321
>>159879406
>>159879432
This. I hope Kizaru and Kuma appear again and BTFO Luffy.
Cocky piece of shit still got easily baited by Big Mom.
>>159878835
Tell me how come Sanji avoided Katakuri's jelly beans yet kept jobbing to a Haki Genie 3 times in a row?
The Haki Genie easily handled Sanji. Sanji couldn't dodge any of its punches.
>>159878577
Which is fucking retarded since Big Mom implies Kaidou is likely even more higher ranking than her, by calling Kaidou "It" or pretty much "Thing", like as if Kaidou was indescribable to her.
Watch Kaidou BTFO Luffy too.
Kaidou already ate 3 supernova crews for breakfast.
Kidd's entire crew is likely already dead based on how Moria described what Kaidou made him experience in the New World.
Why Nami so nice? Best anime girl ever.
When Robin translates poneglyphs, will Luffy throw her overboard? After all, this worthless slut will not need more.
>>159875334
How is Luffy a pussy? He went out and tried to punch Big Mom. The fight was stopped from him becoming weak, not with him being a pussy.
Nice try.
>>159880493
Nah he didn't. Apoo was seen working for Kaido,so the only one confirmed beaten up by Kaido is Kidd.
>>159880435
What is the difference between dodging the jelly bean and dodging a regular bullet? Katakuri only shot one. It doesn't really require that much haki to dodge it.
why is sanji so shit all of a sudden
>>159879321
You think it would be a better series if he acted more like Ace and fight everyone?
>>159880870
>all of a sudden
he's been garbage since timeskip. The nosebleed meme in fishman island was particularly awful.
Luffy v Cracker will last how many episodes?
>>159881414
One Piece episode 798:
“An Enemy with 800 Million Bounty – Luffy vs. Thousand Arms Cracker”
One Piece episode 799
“Full Force Showdown – Gear 4 vs. Biscuit-Biscuit Fruit”
August 6:
One Piece episode 800:
“1 and 2 – Assemble! The Vinsmoke Family”
>>159867498
He gets it
>>159867719
>evenly
Being this much in denial
>>159867003
Never seen an arc ending worse than this.
Oda, the hack, has finally lost what was left of his mind for good.
The only arc with literally 0 proper fights in it. Where did everything go so wrong?
>>159882771
>fightfags
Oh boy I am laffin.
>>159867239
Yeah, this. Total rubbish.
Unfortunately it seems Oda has run out of ideas and is just recycling.
>>159882978
>>159882771
What happened to his passion?
>>159882967
>Oda dickriders
We never had the Straw Hats fight together vs enemies since fishman island. FISHMAN ISLAND, which was 6 years ago.
Oda had plenty of chances in Dressrosa, but decided to waste chapters on literally who's and splitting the crew instead of giving them spotlight. And now the hack tries to correct that huge, gargantuan mistake by splitting the crew AGAIN and NOT giving the straw hats the shining moments they sorely need.
What did Chopper, Sanji and Nami even do in this arc?
Brook did literally the first useful thing since he joined the crew 10+ years ago.
Oda is a hack who has lost his mind for good, might as well not call this a shonen manga anymore, it's more like a slice of life at this point.
>>159883072
It's surprising he cares this much after 20 years when he only works harder than Togashi or Muira because he wants to
>>159883078
>We never had the Straw Hats fight together vs enemies since fishman island. FISHMAN ISLAND, which was 6 years ago.
One Piece is not a fighting manga.
>Chopper, Sanji and Nami
Sanji was kidnapped, which is the whole reason the arc exists. He was not supposed to be in an active role. Despite that he reunited with his family and got married. He also had his showdowns with his father and brothers and reconciled with Reiju, before saving his family. Chopper captured Brulee and scouted the mirror world, then partook in the operation to rescue Brook from Big Mom. Nami used her vivre card to control the homies, helped Luffy fight Cracker, and sneaked off to find the the Vinsmoke raid suits (she is a burglar, after all). And that is just a fraction of the things they did. Characters do things unrelated to fights all the time, you just want to see them fight.
>NOT giving the straw hats the shining moments they sorely need.
You mean fights, right? Again, One Piece is not a fighting manga. It is an adventure story. And sneaking on to a new and colourful island, experiencing it's culture and people, and having some misadventures along the way sounds like adventure to me.
>>159874951
I dunno, Kidd lost an arm by not having a timeskip. Law is overpowered so that's not a fair comparison there. The rest of the supernovae aside from Zoro and Urouge are probably only Sanji tier at best I'd wager. Then the middle trio are probably stronger than most supernova crewmen.
>>159883660
>the rest of the supernova
Are stronger than Sanji.
More project Dawn stuff
>The game will feature the talents of One Piece anime producer Hiroki Koyama from Toei Animation, One Piece media supervisor Suguru Sugita from Shueisha, One Piece game supervisor Yuji Suzuki from Shueisha, and One Piece game producer Kōji Nakajima from Bandai Namco Entertainment.
Shueisha will reveal more news about the game in Weekly Shonen Jump, V Jump, and on One Piece's official website.
Man, this better be something similar to BoTW's scale or all these attempts at building hype will be emberrassing.
>>159883757
>"Leave One Piece games to us"
>Sanji gets BTFO: The Arc
>Joyboy's latest theory
fuck off with that big mom ally bullshit
I hope Nami gets control of at least Zeus by the end of the arc. The premise of her summoning him battles from here on out gets me diamond.
>>159884117
Don't shill your shit here, no one cares.
>>159883501
<Not a fighting manga
<Literally everything ends up in fights
>>159883501
>One Piece is not a fighting manga
The delusion of Odafags is simply amazing, now they're denying that One Piece is a shounen, just because they don't want to accept that their hack overlord is crossing the line.
>>159884299
This is the stupidest post in the thread
>>159867003
>Gunna be pirate king
>Can't even scratch a Yonkou
>About to fucking run away
I can't wait to see the asspull power we get in 300 chapters that suddenly makes him capable of beating them
>>159884907
>now they're denying that One Piece is a shounen,
Shounen is a demographic, not a genre.
>>159867003
>20 chapters wasted, just to epicly fail an assassination
They're milking this dead story for all its worth, aren't they?
>>159868805
Are you retarded? If they wanted a proper fight to end Big Mom they would have had brought the entire crew.
>>159884907
Imagine being so much of a brainlet that you think One Piece is about fighting and not the romance of adventure.
>>159884982
You don't enjoy Wan Piss do you
Im rewatching old fights but like damn why do some sub groups gotta be so fucking extra with these subs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKzj8LVgfYw
>Chapter 6781
>Big Mom vs Luffy
>Luffy getting beaten again
>I fight for my friends
>suddenly everyone just mobs her
>Everyone praises Luffy for his victory
can't wait
>>159884083
>>159880435
Genie>Katakuri. Duh.
>>159881414
It started? I'm hyped.
>>159884907
Death note was a Shonen series too, what point are you trying to make?
>Fightfags getting rump rustled to hell and back about an infiltrate and rescue arc not being full of fights
Jesus wept. You guys better be memeing for the (You)'s, or you might actually be retarded. Yes, the SH's got roped into Beges assasination plot and got sidetracked from the real reason they were there, but ultimately, their goal was to get Sanji and GTFO. They were never there to crush Big Moms crew. And Wano is coming up anyway, which will most likely be "Fightfags: The Arc". So shut up and wait you autistic spastics. Christ, isn't this supposed to be a story for 13 year olds? How are you guys consistently missing the most important beats of a story meant for fucking adolescents?
>Tfw you're the first yonko destined to get taken down
>>159884957
Here's your (You). Now fuck off
>>159883501
>One Piece is not a fighting manga
Let me rephrase that for you. One Piece is not a fighting mangaanymore.That shit is obvious if you weren't an Odafag and haven't dismissed every arc that had about 15 actual fights no matter what happened .
Now it's been 2 years since Dressrosa and no fucking fight in sight. Now I'll say it in layman terms, Oda is a fucking hack.
>>159886049
There was plenty of fight in this arc. Shut the fuck up.
>Be fightfag
>Have the first 16 or so years of One Piece be devoted to fights, showdowns and dramatic high stakes battles, as well as some of the best world building and character development in the medium
>Manga is now in its final stretch, mangaka wisely decides to focus more on delivering a solid story than kewl fights
>Marineford babbies shit the bed in autistic rage, "Oda is a hack, etc etc."
>mfw
How's it feel to have been outgrown by One Piece?
>>159886066
Quick and messy skirmishes that last two pages at most aren't fights. Or you're probably one them sick fucks who enjoys everyone jobbing off and on screen.
This arc has been an excellent pleb filter, I hope all the hackposters actually drop the manga so non-brainlets can read it in peace
>>159875075
>can't stop a fucking haki string
>strongest
I cannot wait for Wano, there's going to be so many cool fights I'm just going insane thinking about it.
Fuck this arc.
>>159886299
Literally, unironically and objectively this.
This whole arc could have been skipped imo.
Deal with Kaido -> Sanji wedding -> Get Sanji back and fight BM
Oda wasted all of our times here with this pointless arc.
>>159867003
>that's what a true pirate king would do!
>gets rekt
>can't even one shot the biscuit faggot
LMAO
we're in for another timeskip so Luffy-chan can get another power up!
>>159886359
A second timeskip is the only way this series can be saved now, the powerlevels are screwed beyond imagionation. Zoro being stronger than Luffy, smoker jobbing to vergo, sanji jobbing to everyone, Luffy jobbing to cracker, after jobbing doflamingo. It's a total mess, a good timeskip will reset everything
>>159867003
>CUZ THATS WHAT A PIRATE KING WOULD DO!
>strongest attack couldnt even phase big mom
>runs away after realizing how strong she is
Luffy?
More like Poopy.
So how many days apart has the WCI crew been from the Wano crew? Like a week maybe? I have a feeling the wano part is going to be a while without luffy + co (unless they show reviere stuff between arcs).
Also I liked this arc cause I like to see Luffy rise in infamy.
Are fightfags sacrificing themselves to make us like SaNafag more? It's cute!
>>159886429
>So how many days apart has the WCI crew been from the Wano crew?
If you're asking about the moment Luffy left Zou then it's been 2-3 days.
This arc has some problems which to me still seem unresolved (e.g. Zeff's situation: originally BM didn't really give a fuck about him as long as she obtained germa's science tech; now I can't imagine her not trying to retaliate after Luffy fucked up the whole ceremony she was anticipating so much; she's been presented as the head of a mafia/yakuza/criminal syndicate, would it make sense for a boss to allow enemies to disrespect her in such a way? And yet, the lack of preoccupation on Sanji's part is supposed to make us think that the whole zeff thing is resolved, idk, doesn't make sense to me). This said, story wise, I agree that it's better for Luffy and co to escape, if he stayed, fought and beat Big Mom now the power creep would be horrendous. The way I think things will go is that Kaido will be taken down by a team effort (i.e. many different factions coming together to defeat the kaido pirates); during that fight Luffy will discover a way to awaken his devil fruit, will then hone his ability and face Big Mom with an awakened devil fruit
>One of the best arc in the whole manga
>This whole arc could have been skipped imo
Just stop reading, anon. This manga isn't for you. You aren't forced to read a manga you don't like only because it's popular.
>>159886110
>How's it feel to have been outgrown by One Piece
It feels like hearing people complain about the final season of Yu Yu Hakusho. I love it
Jesus some of the bait I'm seeing here is so low quality they don't deserve (You)'s.
>>159886514
If he doesn't 1v1 Kaido while they're both at 100% health, he will never be worthy of being a Pirate King, according to himself (OP pic related)
>tfw too intelligent to hate WCI
>>159886548
>1v1 Kaido
It's not going to happen, retard. From a storytelling standpoint it would make no sense. That would make him the strongest man in the world and he has to be the outsider in his fight against Blackbeard.
>>159886514
In an interview Oda said he hadn't thought of a way Luffy could beat Kaido, because he had hyped him up too much with his indestructibility etc.
Kaido will probably be defeated by an asspull deus ex machina, or befriend Luffy and be forgiven for killing Momo's father, I don't know.
Even awakening doesn't seem like that much of a powerup.
>>159886548
Yeah, I agree, so? When I said that Kaido will be taken down with a team effort I meant that the remains of the WB pirates will face idk, Jack. Minks will face another commander, Strawhats another one, and so on. The boss, Kaido, will be a 1vs1 with Luffy
>>159886550
Someone needs to make an expanding brain meme for One Piece arcs
>>159867239
This, post timeskip One Piece has been a total disaster
Wasn't the main goal of this arc was to save Sanji and not beat up Big Mom?
I don't get all the anger in this thread
>>159886640
No, honestly, no. We have too many OP-specific memes right now, we don't need to bring up more overused shit.
>>159886622
>The boss, Kaido, will be a 1vs1 with Luffy
No. Stop being a retard. It would make no sense from a storytelling standpoint and Kid, Apoo, Drake etc will be there as well.
>>159886663
In previous saving arcs, the crew also fought and defeated the antagonists that dragged away the crew member in question
>>159886663
The goal shouldn't have been that from the very beginning, that's the problem.
This whole arc feels completely out of place, and more like a bugfix to make Sanji relevant again, somehow. Literally nothing happened this arc that couldn't happen later with the traditional shounen fight format and work just fine.
>>159886663
>not beat up Big Mom?
>Implying it's not going to happen
Not by Luffy in a 1v1 but she will be stopped. Maybe even killed.
>>159886621
Doflamingo turned a town into strings, we don't know yet what could happen with Luffy. I mean, look at the different gears, Oda has been able to make rubber an interesting fighting instrument against other seemingly broken abilities; we can't say that the awakening might not be that much of a power up, we haven't seen it yet. It may be, but we can't judge it yet
>>159886663
Pretty much. They even managed to steal the red poneglyph without Mom noticing.
The anger just comes from a few spergs who can't deal with the fact that the arc didn't end like every arc before, with Luffy beating up the big bad and everyone having a party.
Autists get really mad if you change things like this, they can't deal with it.
>tfw the refugees that migrated to One Piece after Bleached Asshole and Narutard ended are too retarded to understand that Luffy attaining victory with the help of allies is a central theme of the manga, one that has even been stated out loud by the MC and a tertiary character as one of the MC's greatest assets
>tfw despite all of this, retards still expect a Kaidou 1v1
You have to go back
>>159886732
>>159886726
>>159886715
I see, but I guess this is a way to show how a yonko have way bigger powerlevels than a Shichibukai. If Big Mom was beaten up by Luffy this arc, it shows that yonkos are jobbers.
>>159886726
>that couldn't happen later with the traditional shounen fight format and work just fine.
That's what you want? What a tasteless batard you are.
>>159886757
BM is gonna die this arc anyway and it'll get blamed on luffy regardless
>>159886801
At some point they have to become jobbers, Oda has said lots of times that One Piece is to end at around ~1200, this leaves us only ~300 chapters to wrap things up.
Dressrosa was 100 chapters, and it was a setup arc, just think about that.
>>159879406
>>159880619
>>159881078
Why are you fags lying? Luffy didn't want to fight. All he said was "just 1 punch" do you not know what that means? He even says after that "I'll beat you up later" something he said he will never do again
>>159886514
The whole plot of Zeff being a hostage didn't really go anywhere, especially since it was the reason this arc even happened
I'm hoping for a Strawhat team up like against Oars
The way Interpret it, to be the Pirate king is to have the freedom to do anything you want to, this means having no enemies capable of threatening or stopping you
If Luffy has to team up to defeat Kaido that means he can only be considered unstoppable and therefore Pirate King as long as he has his crew with him.
Which is fine since he's already stated he'll never succeed without their help
A Strawhat teamup against Kaido would mean One Piece still has what made it such an enjoyable series in the first place
Gear Fourth with Haki clad Muscles punching each other until Kaido is defeated means Oda has truly become a Hack
>>159886838
No, it's not going to be blamed on Luffy. More like on Bege, the Vinsmoke, the Charlotte family and Luffy. That's too big of an achievement to be awared to Luffy alone at this point in the story.
>>159886843
>Dressrosa
That arc dragged a bit too long in my opinion.
>Oda setting a goal
He also said One Piece was going to end years ago. Besides, I don't think Toei and Jump are going to let their prized manga go away that easily.
Unless Toei decides to make One Piece GT.
>>159886843
>Oda has said lots of times that One Piece is to end at around ~1200
>>159886913
>One Piece GT.
No, One Piece Super. Out of nowhere a god will appear, resurrect everyone and organize a huge tournament for whatever reason. We will have Roger vs Garp, Kaido vs Big Mom, Noland vs prime Oars etc. Fightfags will unironically enjoy this shitfest better.
>>159886843
Do you honestly believe that we're half way through the New World already?
>>159886895
The WG is dumb and will blame this on the strawhat pirate alliance. They are gonna think Luffy is allied with Law, Bege, and all the Dressrosa pirates. All the shit that they do is gonna get blamed on him as the mastermind and Luffy will be granted Yonkou status to fill the void.
>>159886708
I was trying to answer >>159886548 but ended up answering you. Anyway, beating Kaido doesn't mean you're the strongest in the world, you're just the one who defeated him. Other people in the story may call Luffy the strongest, but that doesn't mean shit, he would still not be Piarate King, he would still have to beat Blackbeard. I mean, are you really that much of a retard to think that name calling is that important in the universe of One Piece? Luffy took a thrashing in jaya because he didn't give a fuck about other people laughing at his idea of a sky island and you think that people calling him the strongest in the world after defeating kaido would mean anything to him? Stop being a faggot, speedreader
>>159887004
>They are gonna think Luffy is allied with Law, Bege, and all the Dressrosa pirates
That's not wrong though
Yonko status isn't given, it's taken
It took Teach months to take over WBs territory and title and he had inside knowledge of how it was run
>>159886780
Big bad not being taken out by MC alone is pretty damn standard in battle shounen. Ichigo was expandable compared to Ishida and Aizen in Yhwach's defeat, Naruto defeated Pain because Jiraiya had him figured out and Hinata intervened, the only big bads Goku defeated without an outside help was Piccolo Jr. and Red Ribbon army as a whole. I could go on.
>>159887004
>Luffy will be granted Yonkou status
>>159887026
Yes, defeating the strongest man in the world by yourself mean you are now the strongest man in the world. He would still not be the Pirate King but he can't become the strongest man in the world before his fight against Blackbeard. You have seen how strong Big Mom is. It's not going to happen. Blackbeard will be the only yonko Luffy will defeat on his own. They will find another way to defeat Kaido and Big Mom. He will probably defeat in 1v1 a "almost yonko lvl" before that like Loki.
>>159887140
I think you're too hung up on big names/reputation, that kind of thing. If Luffy escapes now, defeats kaido in a 1vs1 (maybe after zoro has softened him up, idk), the reader knows that he's not the strongest in the world. He can beat him in a 1vs1 or some variant (but the essence would still be Luffy delivering the finishing blow) and still not be the strongest because we all know he would have to beat the other guys. People in the story wouldn't know any better, they would just read the headlines on the newspapers, but we, the readers, know, that's why I say it makes sense for Luffy to beat kaido in a 1on1
>>159887290
Yeah... Doflamingo's defeat has been awarded to both Law and Luffy in the newspapers. Last chapter Katakuri put Bege and Luffy on equal grounds. Oda know what's he's doing. Luffy defeating Kaido in 1v1 will never happen and and even if he does it wil NEVER be in the newpapers. Luffy defeating Kaido would not make any sense. Luffy has to be the outsider until the end and he's way too weak at the moment. Kaido's arc is next there's no room for this kind of asspull.
>>159887079
>Yonko status isn't given, it's taken
Luffy has more or less already confirmed he's taking Fishman Island from Big Mom. I expect the rest of the SH Alliance pirates that are being shown in the cover stories will do something outrageous. There's a reason why after the alliance was made the narrator said the alliance was going to do something crazy but it's a story "for the future". Something like that wouldn't be dropped if it was meant to be forgotten about.
>>159877684
>Cause he's not a shit captain at all
Depends on what you mean by shit captain. It's inarguable that Luffy is literally incapable of running his own ship as the decisions he makes with regards to navigation and sailing tend to just be "Sail directly into the most dangerous thing". The most sound decision he made was agreeing to retire the Going Merry. As far as actually running the ship that's actually done by Franky, Nami, and Zoro of all people.
Luffy is a good captain in the capacity that he is "First to battle, last to retreat" but because he lacks that awareness to know when he's outmatched it's a double edged sword.
Without that disregard for rank or power he would not have taken on the likes of Rob Lucci, Crocodile, Gekko Mori, etc. But without any type of restraint on character he also just recklessly charged a Yonko and fucked up his already shattered retreat even more.
I personally don't like that he fell for the same shit that got his brother killed. As a captain you have a responsibility to your crew and while you can argue that he was still listening to them, he clearly placed his own ego above the best decision and that is not something a good captain should do. It's just that it works out for Luffy more often than any other character but they don't have MC plot armor working for them.
So, I haven't watched OP in a long time. Around when the straw hats started messing around on Doflamingo's island and the fight just started.
I'll probably just start reading the manga from around volume 69, but are there any anime episodes that are decent? Or they're all shit?
Fucking marinfordbabyyonkoudickriders will kill themself at the end of this arc thanks god
>>159868681
Doffy WAS stronger than Luffy.
It took Luffy and Law to beat Doffy alone. Doffy also put up a huge island-sized dome that the combined forces of the colosseum almost couldn't stop. Surely that takes stamina.
If the battle was Doffy fully rested vs Luffy fully rested, with no time for Gear 4 recharge, Doffy would have won.
>>159887782
>As far as actually running the ship that's actually done by
>Zoro
What
>>159887811
It really goes downhill post-ts. Reading might be better.
I hear one pace is passable, so look into that.
>>159888173
>Surely that takes stamina.
I think the biggest criticism of the whole bird cage situation was that it didn't seem to take any stamina to produce and sustain at all.
>>159888240
Once the anime went to one episode = one chapter it was impossible for them to make the show any good. Way too much stretching out and bullshit.
>>159871609
take some raid suit blueprints to franky
>>159871441
You mean Law, right?
>>159871441
BEGONE THOT
>>159888118
The arc is over according to you faggots and reddit
>>159871441
Sorry, Big News!
>>159886640
>>159886550
fuck off with your spicy cancer shit.
>>159886287
So luffy can? Top kek
Getting pretty sick of Luffy running around screaming about how he is going to kick everyone's ass.
>>159889092
Well, he did stop some with g4 and a further some with kkg
Anybody else want robin to step on them
FYI I work for Eiichiro and Morgans sends word to Zeff that he needs to watch his back and Absalom recounts everything in the message to Moria who joins up with Luffy to fight Kaidou. Go ahead and cap this post as big news for the future.
HxH is better
>>159889219
When has he done anything else?
How long Caesar's stay with luffy group ?
>>159889225
Bartolomeo.
Carrot has fat tits
>>159889531
At least the time to leave BM territory. Nice catch btw.
>>159889270
okay
>>159869474
Almost all of the Worst Generation captains want to do away with the Yonko because they know they stand in their way to getting One Piece.
>>159889285
Well he usually folows up with a serious asskicking, but not this time.
You need your reputation ruined only once. Next time he will be telling someone how he is gonna kick their ass they will reply "Yeah, just like you did to Big Mom, you little bitch."
>>159889951
And then proceed to get their ass kick ? Crocodile got rekt by a rookie, yet not one at Marineford was laughing is ass off.
>>159867003
It's not like this is the first time Luffy has to run away from the arc's villain.
>>159868665
WHERES MY NIGGA ZORO
>>159889655
FUCK JAPAN FOR MAKING ME WANT TO FUCK A RABBIT GIRL
>>159890252
It is after the retard said he wouldn't though
>>159886715
>in previous saving arcs
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHd_nCFi04M
>>159890363
He ran right after he said that though.
If he was so determined about not running, he should have ran back to fujitora when hajrudin set him free.
>>159890669
To be fair, the one being saved in SA was Keimi, and everyone who was involved in her abduction and selling got fucked up good.
>>159889531
Until he makes Luffy Pirate King.
The ship did need a scientist. I'll be fine with Caesar being the 1st/only Logia user on the crew. I thought Smoker would take that Honor, and then thought Monets' fruits' consumer would...but fuck it. I want Caesar.
>>159886621
Kaido can probably be killed pretty easily if he has a devil fruit. Just push him into the ocean.
It's bothered me for a while that in a world with so much ocean and sailing and devil fruits that this never comes up. It's only been used as a gag with the crew thus far.
>>159871441
ZORO PLEASE SAVE US
>>159891551
It played some serious role in Baratie, Arlong Park, Alabasta, Enies Lobby and Fishman Island arcs at last. And I think the problem is that people take a while to drown, especially these superhumans we're dealing with. By the time it happens, the crew will most likely manage to save them.
>>159888178
Zoro paradocixally is better at managing the egos of the people on the boat far better than Luffy. He also knows how to enforce rank.
>>159869979
>>159879449
I wonder how he will spin the issue of Big Mom blackmailing Sanji over Zeff and the Baratie. Nothing is stopping her from steamrolling that place when Sanji just leaves like this
>Luffy runs from a losing battle
>COWARD
>Luffy loses the battle
>JOBBER
>Luffy wins the battle
>ASSPULL
>Someone else helps Luffy win
>WEAKLING
>Luffy does nothing
>NOTHING HAPPENS: THE CHAPTER
Admit it, you just like to complain.
>>159891551
>never comes up
>jack, Kaidos right hand man, is literally sitting at the bottom of the ocean because he cant move from his devil fruit power.
>>159892287
Well, yeah.
>>159886110
muh nugga
>>159867003
>every 40 to 50 chapters is a whole year
>gear 4 was already over 2 years ago
Am I the only one who really likes WCI BUT wants it to end only to see what BIG NEWS comes out of it and what Morgans will report for the whole world to know?
>>159868805
Let me guess, you started reading One Piece right after Naruto ended?
>>159893154
how did you know
>>159893154
Read OPs pic or do just blindly eat what Oda throws at you?
>>159893239
I bet you're also a shipper
>>159888269
True. That's a fair point. Bird Cage might have been easy to use.
Still, Law did some heavy damage to Doffy and also helped Luffy recover from Gear 4.
>>159892882
Best character introduced in this arc.
>>159892122
>better at managing the egos of the people on the boat far better than Luffy.
No he's not....Fucking Zorofags are the worst
>>159892882
BigMeme will die this arc. That will be the BigNews
>>159893478
Their goal was to get Sanji and the poneglyphs. Having to deal with two Emperors is suicide.
>>159894005
You're not reading the picture >>159867003
And if you did then you're no understanding. Use Google translate if English isn't your first language
>>159892122
He doesn't do shit on the boat outside of training sleeping and fighting with Sanji
>>159894151
>b-but Luffy promised
He is a fucking retard who falls for the same bait like Ace. What's your point, anon?
>>159894151
The situations aren't comparable. What he meant against Fujitora was that he won't do what he did in Sabaody - so escape cause they're not ready for this stage. Right now they're escaping because they don't have their full forces and beating BM isn't their objective. If Luffy had the option to fight BM one-on-one and resolve the conflict like that, he would do it. He was ready for it back when he was imprisoned. But that isn't possible now, Big Mom has her forces, she won't just tango with him alone.
>>159894424
To make Luffykids like this one >>159894512
Accept it and not do what he is doing "I-it's not the same wahhh"
>If
>If
>If
>but
>I-it's too early for Luffy to take on a Shichibukai, guys!
Until the Sunny leaves Totland's territorial waters, the arc hasn't ended. Mom is in her craving craze now, and with no wedding cake to appease her, she'll gonna rampage until she dies of hunger in like two years, when there's nothing on the island left but herself, the soil, and her children's bones sticking out of her massive turds.
But that also means that if it were to come to a fight, the kids would stay WAY away from her, so it would be half the Straw Hat crew, the two minks, and Germa 66 against just her.
>>159874538
All the Supernovas could barely defeat a Pacifista pre-timeskip.
Funny how that Luffyfag/LuNafag who spammed Big Meme is going down is so quiet after last chapter
>>159871441
Why isn't Zoro captain already?
>>159894673
Did you read the manga? Luffy did challenge BM in prison. This is a fact. Nami and co. convinced Luffy to escape literally through saying "if we wanted to take her down, we should have taken Zoro and others, we've accomplished our objective". This is also a fact. You have no facts on your side. Only butthurt.
Anyone here watching the anime? I'm cautiously hype for the cracker fight, but I'm also nervous it will be terrible
>>159894151
Yeah, and his goal changed after the whole Sanji deal you fucking ape. Just because Luffy said he'd do it 200 chapters ago doesn't mean shit.
Is this your first manga?
>>159894690
Luffy jobbed to Crocodile three times.
>>159894993
So no concistecy with what the MC says then?
Okay well Oda is a shit writer
>>159894992
>Luffy doesn'tlisten to them
>before the conversatio: I'll beat all of them!
>after the conversation: After, I'll beat Kaido, you're next!
>Luffy doesn't listen to them
>>159895056
A character changing his mind given the circumstances isn't an inconsistency. That's how a story works you brain dead twat.
Basic story telling is lost on your tiny brain. You should take a break.
>>159872375
>jobbing against Crackerspam counts as training
kek
>>159894690
There's literally no reason to fight Big Mom in this arc anymore. The goals were to save Sanji and his family, which is completed now.
>>159895480
If Pudding/Pekoms are threatened, they will join the fray. That's just how they are.
>>159888173
>Surely that takes stamina.
No, it doesn't. Cracker said so.
Zorro vs X Drake, when?
>>159876100
One of the best actually. Huge retard.
>>159867003
Why are you people still replying to the Hackposter?
>>159894151
>>159895056
Are you by any chance on the autism spectrum, anon? Research shows that people suffering from severe autism often have difficulty dealing with changes in life, whether they be big or small, and start to get upset when things aren't always the same.
To put it into words you can understand: shit happens. You might have planned to leave your mom's basement tomorrow, but when tomorrow comes you realize you needed to shitpost on 4chan that day and won't be able to get your allotted two minutes of sunlight.
But guess what? Too bad. The circumstances can change at any moment. You just have to deal with it and learn to adapt. One day you'll get there.
Keep up the good work, anon!
>>159873205
> weakest commander
Where does it even say Cracker is the weakest one?
>>159896286
i don't know why everyone keeps assuming this. he might be second stringest for all we know
>>159871730
>Soge King gets Germa raid Suit
>Can Fly and augmented strength
>Cape
>Super Soge King
>"Soge Ki no shima dee~~"
>1 billion bounty
>Post yfw
This guy will never have a normal bounty poster from now on huh?
>>159896286
He has a lower bounty than Charlotte "Someone molest these thirsty girls already" Smoothie
>>159896286
The weakest commander is Snack.
>>159874502
Bonny survived a fight with Blackbeard, does that mean she is as impressive as Kidd?
If Smoothie survives BM rage, who will she fight in Elbaf? The likeliest option in my opinion is Robin.
>>159895297
You're using the term wrong anon.
>>159896707
>THICC
>CURFF
>BIGG
>THINN
Is this real life?
>>159896527
Having a higher bounty does not equal to strength.
>>159895152
>>159896245
I guess Luffy is a pussy then.
>>159896917
In general, it doesn't. But here it's obvious Oda at least wants us to think the order is Katakuri > Smoothie > Cracker, since he presented bounties but didn't give any specific reason for bounty's height (like he did with Killer or Mr. 3/Mr. 4 reversed order).
Bounties = strength isn't true, but it is default. That's why you have most characters assuming the correlation.
>>159897301
*Kidd
instead of Killer. Sorry.
>>159897220
Nope, he's just smart enough to realize this isn't a good idea right now
I had high hopes for this arc but it was pretty shit
>yet another rescue arc, even though sanji didn't need rescuing, he was simply blackmailed
>pudding was about 50% of the arc but suddenly fucked off into useless obscurity
>the only serious fight so far was cracker, which was mostly off panel
>don't even know why smoothie was there aside from fanservice
>katakuri's specialized haki aint even that good
>vinsmokes jobbing to perospero's power
>elbaf proves once again that giants exist only as fodder
>carrot was only there to fit the wonderland theme
>luffy manages to be even more retarded than before, it's like he lost whatever maturity he had somewhere after the TS
>Jinbe did almost nothing
>more stuff
It did have enjoyable moments and characters like Big Mom, Bege, Brook, Pedro, BIG NEWS, some of mom's crew.
But overal it felt like a drag to read through.
I'd rather watch paradise filler.
>>159897301
yea but it's hard to compare when bounties are close like that, not to mention him being far more useful to big mom than smoothie as far as we've seen
>>159897485
it's ok all of us can't have good opinions
>>159896707
I theorize that Big Mom killed all the giants on Elbaf and built Whole Cake Island ontop, considering how much she hated the idea giants living on Whole Cake Island.
>>159897485
>yet another rescue arc
>don't even know why smoothie was there aside from fanservice
>carrot was only there to fit the wonderland theme
are your only valid points. the last two shouldn't ruin the arc for you they're just a bit annoying
>>159897485
Nigger how could you possibly think Sanji didn't need rescuing?
>>159898011
what about loki, the prince of elbaf?
>>159898131
Shit, guess my speed reading is showing.
>>159898011
We already saw through the flashback that WCI and Elbaf are separate islands. She cannibalizes the children and Carmel on WCI.
>>159898038
Carrot was still helpful. She beat and captured Brûlée which was the only reason the SH alliance was able to get around the island and coordinate their plan in the first place.
BIGGU MAMMU DID NUTHIN WRONGU
>>159898011
The Elbafs still exist anon.
Hajrudin exists.
>>159898232
anyone could've done it in her stead though. it doesn't bother me all that much, but her presence during this arc is purely for the arc theme and fanservice
>>159898403
That's not a very convincing argument to me. So what if any character could've done it? Carrot was the one who did it and saying that doesn't take away from her accomplishment and usefulness during the arc.
>>159898403
The arc still didn't end though. We may be in for a little surprise with her.
Can we all agree that Nami is the worst strawhat?
>>159897386
Um no he is a pussy how talks shit while running
>>159898632
>Oda confirms Nami uses -kun in a affectionate way i.g loves him
ODAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>159898632
I don't like Nami, but Sanji was the one behaving the worst in that situation.
>>159898657
English please? Luffy was smart for knowing it's not time to fight BM. I don't know why you're so obsessed with this.
>>159898632
Damn.. she loves him
>>159898812
Luffy is a pussy. He only talks big when running
>>159898816
Nami doesn't love anybody besides herself. She was ready to abandon Sanji.
>>159898867
Nope. Escaping was the best course of action.
>>159898564
it was mostly chopper's idea. carrot just played her part. which makes her less unique and more like she's there for the fan service more than any other reason.
a character is far more likable if they have unique abilities that no one else has
>>159898632
Can we all just agree Sanji was justified in his behavior in this scene? Sanji wanted Nami and Luffy to leave to protect them and Zeff. He did the best he could. I still dont understand the Luffykids that say things like "sanji's such an asshole,this is unforgivable" without seeing it from his pov.
>>159898930
>a character is far more likable if they have unique abilities that no one else has
That's literally carrot
>>159898632
nami used to be cool. how come oda forgot about her being a competent thief that can steal from people far stronger than her? and her being a cartographer?
>>159898874
Because he was hurting her friend. Just like sakura was willing to kill sausuke because Naruto was getting hurt.
Nami still loves him
>>159898930
>it was mostly chopper's idea. carrot just played her part. which makes her less unique and more like she's there for the fan service more than any other
Again that doesn't invalidate what she did. Just because Chopper ordered her to doesn't mean shit when Chopper wouldn't be able be able to do it himself.
>>159899087
>SaNafag was a Narutard all along
It all makes sense now
>>159898996
what useful abilities does she have?
>>159898921
That's not what a pirate king would do. Luffy is a pussy
Why are some people actually calling Luffy a pussy? Its the fact he doesn't want to leave a unwinnable battle that should be criticized.
>>159899087
This is how a bro reacts. Nami is a cunt.
>>159898946
there was no way luffy would leave.
the best would have been to tell luffy the truth once he had kicked him far away.
>>159898946
He didn't, he showed utter lack of belief and trust in his crew and came up with the most ridiculous lie that could only make Luffy worried. After traveling with them for so long and seeing all the shit they pulled off even when the Robin/Nami were bullshitting them, he should know better. Heck, two arcs before friggin' Law told Dofla that SHs are miracle-makers.
I would appreciate this scene much more if Sanji thanked them for all the adventure, but said that he can't go back since he's in love and finally got a chance to reconcile with his family. You know, trying to pose Vivi instead of repeating Nami and Robin's failure. You know, actually try. The way he behaved, it's like he actually wanted Luffy to go after him but was to afraid to admit it. Which would be actually nice, but looks like it's not what Oda was going for.
>>159899135
Not an argument. I gave you a example
>>159899187
Luffy acts like that with everyone on the crew
>>159899187
I don't understand why people are ready to justify Sanji doing what he did because Zeff was endangered, but won't forgive Nami who was forced to watch her captain being beaten up horribly and hurt emotionally by Sanji.
>>159899087
Nami cares for Luffy more than Sanji. LuNa confirmed.
>>159899153
But that's what the Pirate king did now stop speed reading and give it a rest already hackposter, this is starting to get pathetic
>>159883072
its still there but its probably been perverted by years of it being the best selling manga e.g shounen tell oda how his story should be written, big audience of children, fans expectations in general
>>159898946
Hell no. Pathetic bitch that didn't trust and believe in his crew enough.
>>159899403
Yeah with that logic Naruto x Sakura is canon. Oh wait...
>>159898632
Currently ? Yes, she is just a annoying bich post-time skip.
>>159899415
You're the one who keeps replying because you know I am right
>>159899096
i'm just saying what she did wasn't all that much for two reasons
>chopper was the one who planned the operation and did the most part
>she wasn't the only person who could do it
and that takes away a lot from her likability in this arc. everyone loved brook because he has done something that only he can do and jinbei used his position as a big mom underling to free nami and luffy, who else would've done it? carrot on the other hand did nothing to make her as great as you say she is, she wasn't that important to the progress of this arc
>>159899187
Nami should have understood what Sanji was going through better than anyone but the reason that she didn't...although SaNatards dont wanna admit it, is that she cares far more about Luffy than Sanji. It doesn't even have to be romantic...just think about it logically.
What did Luffy do for her?
He literally saved her from slavery and gave her freedom. He is actively making her dream of creating a world map come true by increasing his influence and making the crew travel...compared to Sanji who cooks her food...Its not even a contest.
Of course she would get pissed off at Sanji and slap him for beating up Luffy...she is actually indebted to Luffy and cares about him more--doesn't even to be romantic btw
>>159899254
>the best would have been to tell luffy the truth once he had kicked him far away.
That would have been way to suspicious imo. If i was Sanji i wouldnt take the risk of alarming them when they already threatened Zeff
>>159899271
>He didn't, he showed utter lack of belief and trust in his crew and came up with the most ridiculous lie that could only make Luffy worried
They're up against a Yonko anon. Sanji knows Luffy cant defeat her and doesnt want to risk Zeffs life. Thats perfectly justified.
>>159893852
>>159894189
Not even a Zorofag, he literally helps keep things going whenever it becomes a problem where a captain should step in. See Zou, Water 7, Thriller Bark, Alabasta, and Sky Pia
>>159899447
Or Kishimoto is a bad writer.
>>159899598
He doesn't manage the crew tho..He advises Luffy. There's a big difference with what the posters were trying to imply...
>>159899573
Luffy wasn't defending himself. Nami would've reacted the same if it was the other way around. You are a stupid lunatard
>>159899620
>If my ship doesn't happen then it's bad writing
Lmao
>>159899594
>That would have been way to suspicious imo.
And saying that all their adventure. all the instances he risked his live for them, all the tears they're shed together were a lie wasn't suspicious? Sanji has chosen the worst way possible.
>They're up against a Yonko anon. Sanji knows Luffy cant defeat her and doesnt want to risk Zeffs life. Thats perfectly justified.
Luffy would go against her either way. Especially if he'd know she's hurting Sanji. Which Sanji did everything to confirm.
>>159868057
>Its entirely possible BM absorbed his power.
...it's sunday alright
>>159899573
What do you think her reaction would be if she actually loved Sanji? I dont think she would have left Luffy there and ran after Sanji. I think her behavior is perfectly justifiable even if she did love him. Sanji hurt her friend and shes pissed, its that simple. This isnt even a shipping argument though, just how i saw the scene.
>>159899860
>her reaction would be if she actually loved Sanji?
She wouldn't have slapped him. Cause she knows exactly why he is doing what he is...cause she went through the same experience before. Luffy saw through the bullshit but Nami didn't cause to her the offense of hurting her captain was far greater than the justification that Sanji gave.
Its not a shipping argument btw. Caring more about someone=/=love
luffy and gang will run away while big mom goes crazy and decimates most of her crew/family.
when she regains her senses, she'll be pissed and decide to go after the best target she can think of: fishman island. if it weren't for that rigged chest, the strawhats wouldn't have gotten away and her home wouldn't also be completely destroyed. on top of that, luffy claimed he would be the guardian of that place instead of her.
she'll destroy fishman island and when luffy shows up, everything will be on fire. ENTER THE PROPHECY OF HIM AT A DESTROYED FISHMAN ISLAND.
>>159899573
If Sanji was attacking chopper,brook or whoever else and they were not defending themselves she would've reacted the same. Does that mean she cares more about brook or chopper? Jesus Christ do you shippers even think before typing?
can't mangastream admit being wrong about dogtooth already?
>>159900020
Even if they admit it, that won't make them change it since its already been done. Just like the shitty choices Viz made a decade ago.
>>159899947
She slapped him because she was angry. That's why she dropped the -kun too. It was because of what every anon here told you already, Luffy was not defending himself. He could've gotten killed It has nothing to do with caring about 1 more than the other
>>159899816
>And saying that all their adventure. all the instances he risked his live for them, all the tears they're shed together were a lie wasn't suspicious? Sanji has chosen the worst way possible.
I agree its a pretty stupid lie but it worked with Nami. Sanji is stupid but he did the best he could. He wanted to save his crew and his father so he pushed Luffy away. I completely understand him and cant understand those who cant empathize and say he's unforgivable.
>Luffy would go against her either way. Especially if he'd know she's hurting Sanj
And thats what he was trying to avoid. Luffy would get BTFO by big mom and admitting that doesnt mean he doesnt trust his crew.
>>159887131
Luffy defeats Kaido, Kaido escapes, Luffy gets half of his territory and becomes the newest member of the Cinkou
>>159899947
I think that because she went through the same shit, she wasn't able to understand. When Zoro's and Usopp's lives where on the line, she has blown her cover. Sanji beaten up Luffy when he was on enemy's territory and literal army was on way to kill him.
>>159900113
>I agree its a pretty stupid lie but it worked with Nami.
It's a miracle it did.
>Sanji is stupid but he did the best he could.
Literally any lie would be better. Or even the truth.
>I completely understand him and cant understand those who cant empathize and say he's unforgivable.
I don't find it unforgivable but I think both Sanji and Oda made the worst decision with handling the situation.
>And thats what he was trying to avoid.
He should know Luffy enough to know it won't work.
>>159900388
It's better than not trying at all
>>159900440
It's not. He only made situation worse.
dressrosa was 100 chapters
>>159900388
i agree with all you said. My post was directed at those fans who think "He hit luffy, he's scum" without seeing it from his perspective. Sanji's lie was stupid but he didnt do it on purpose. Sanji did what he did for his crew and his father. He was justified imo.
Will we see her next chapter? Her storyline needs go be tied ul
>>159879321
>infiltrates a yonkos territory
>defeats a sweet commander
>steals her road poneglyph
>teams up with another WG faggot to assassinate BM
>shichibukai resigns from the BM pirates to join him DURING the assassination plot
>destroys the wedding cake
>shatters mother caramel's photo
>ruins her plans to take germa technology
>destroys Whole Cake Chateau
When will faggots like you be satisfied?
>>159900505
It is. In a situation where there's no hope all you can do is try. You're just not choosing to understand or sympathize with Sanji's situation for whatever reason.
>>159900574
Maybe although she could have her resolution in Elbaf. Like everything else concerning BM.
>>159900596
When will people like you learn to read? All we are saying is that Luffy is a pussy because of what he said and did.
Your post has nothing to do with what Luffy said in OP's pic
>>159900680
It's only you anon. Everyone knows Luffy isn't a pussy.
>>159900764
How ironic of you
>>159900680
lufffy's point was that he wouldn't run just because the person facing him is a marine admiral or even a yonkou. it's okay to run away for other reasons, like being massively outnumbered, having a time limit, having a more urgent matter....
>>159900613
I understand him, he wasn't thinking rationally, like Ace against Akainu. Which doesn't change the fact that if he didn't try, the situation would be better since Luffy would be in better shape and he might've still consider that Sanji is gonna turn out alright. And his choice was literally the worst possible one.
>>159900096
Not the same anon but fuck them seriously, they tried to give him a edgy name for no fucking reason when it was very clear that all of Big Mom children add a food related name; that's so fucking stupid, it bug me off.
I liked this arc, it was an interesting change of pace from the adventure/exposition of Zou and the nonstop FIGHTFIGHTFIGHT of Dressrosa.
I was surprised to see Oda actually do somewhat convincing intrigue and take the readers on emotional rollercoasters when he's a very straightforward writer most of the time.
Reverie and Wano are both going to be fucking hype, though, so I'm glad WCI is ending as and when it is. I'm sure Big Meme will still play some important role in the future where she'll get the big fight people are hoping for.
>>159900596
>>shichibukai resigns from the BM pirates to join him DURING the assassination plot
???
COLD JEWELRY SHINING SO BRIGHT
STRAWBERRY CHAMPAGNE ALL NIGHT
LUCKY FOR YOU THATS WHAT I LIKE, THATS WHAT I LIKE
>>159900574
We'll see her next time the crew fights BM. Probably during Elbaf.
>>159901170
>>159900657
Uh no. I don't think this arc is over. It can't be this shitty
>>159900911
i remember them being assmad when someone pointed it out to them too
>>159901218
only shitty thing is your opinions
>>159901281
What is wrong with you? Do you eat shit?
>>159901386
what? are you have a stroke big guy?
>>159867719
SO FUCKING MUCH DENIAL, I CAN FUCKING FEEL YOU DENIAL RIGHT HERE AT NORWAY
>>159901472
It's time for your nap
Reminder that Oda hates shippers.
> That courageous spirit is the key to stirring up children’s hearts. In order to succeed in drawing [those kinds of images] he limits himself. One of those limits, avoiding a love story. Simply because they [boys] aren’t interested in it. “There are a lot of female fans too and I get requests for romantic scenes but I won’t respond to that call.
> I like to draw party scenes. So I don’t want to draw anything that would ruin that atmosphere. And this is a manga for boys so I won’t draw anything about relationships. I get a lot of letters from female readers asking me to cover some kind of relationship but if that’s what you want, go read a girl’s manga, that’s not my job. I don’t care if someone falls for Luffy, but it’s something that would be over before you know it. But knowing Luffy, I don’t think that kind of thing would be a problem. (laughs)
>>159901484
You shouldn't be so cocky towards strangers, Ahmed.
>>159901571
>“There are a lot of female fans too and I get requests for romantic scenes but I won’t respond to that call.
Really makes you think and ponder.
>>159901386
No one asked about your fetishes. Keep it to yourself you sick freak.
>>159901571
>Luffy
Thank God Sana doesn't include Luffy
>>159901729
why are you attacking luna huh
>>159901668
I think Oda once said that he's following one of his former bosses advice. Since most fans are boys and most people writing letters are girls, listening to the letters isn't too wise.
>>159901571
>TFW crew being split up to encounter BigMom
>Pursuit team happening to slowly dismantle her crew via 1v1
>BigMom eating her own forces
>Pudding and Streusen with convininent memory powers/memory of BM eating kids
>CP0 with knowledge of MC being a traitor
All are being set up to destroy BigMeme and her crew....The butthurt from Luffyhaters will be fucking epic. BIGMEME IS GOING DOWN
>>159901571
Best part is that this is from an interview for strong world which is after thriller bark. Meaning LuNafags who think strong world is romantic and SaNafags who think thriller bark was foreshadowing both got BTFO.
>>159901839
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>>159901839
New thread
>>159901571
>“There are a lot of female fans too and I get requests for romantic scenes
>I get a lot of letters from female readers asking me to cover some kind of relationship but if that’s what you want, go read a girl’s manga, that’s not my job
That realization there are girls posting in OP threads
I know nobody cares but here is what I think would be cool if it happened next:
>Mama goes berserk and starts taking out her own guys (nobody dies you see why in a bit) but they are all pretty much out of commission except maybe katakuri but he is on his heels and not putting up much resistance.
>Luffy feels bad because there are also innocent citizens getting caught in Big Moms warpath and tells everyone he can't just leave them there.
>They all stay to fight and Sanji says he thinks he can make what Big Mom wants with the right ingredients, and they are helped by the Big Mom pirates who just want her to stop before she kills everybody.
>Sanji manages to make her the dish she wants perfectly to snap her out of her rage (his big feat lol fuck Sanji for real)
>even though they saved her from destroying her own kingdom and crew, Big Mom still wants them killed. Instead Pudding changes her memories to think that she had actually destroyed the wedding herself and the Straw Hats were dead.
>Big Mom leaves the Straw Hats/ Their friends/ Fishman Island alone until they encounter eachother again in Elbaf which will be much longer and give a lot more backstory on her and some of the sweet commanders I imagine
Tell me how fucking stupid I am please
>>159901571
Didn't Oda also say there would be no deaths in One Piece....really makes you think huh?
>>159901902
He said he wanted to avoid deaths, which he does.
>>159900096
Viz is an official publication. For something informal like this they can easily add a note saying "we'll be using Katakuri from now on." I'm pretty sure I've seen notes like that in the past.
The only reason they won't do it for this is because they're buttblasted about being wrong.
>>159901898
>Tell me how fucking stupid I am please
Incredibly. But you're idea isn't bad at all. I'm expecting some variation of that to take place, given that Luffy's stated his intentions to take her out after Kaido. That could be an element of your idea that is subject to change however, if she takes a favourable stance on the Straw Hats in the near future, be that through gratitude or the much more likely option of Pudding memory alteration.
It's unclear if she'll remain an enemy after the current situation is sorted out, particularly if the Straw Hats do play a part in stopping it. I could see a future with her being effectively out of the rest of the story, given the magnitude of events that have gone down in her territory that would likely take a good while to remedy, teamed with the potential extent of alterations that Pudding's powers could impart. However, it's also possible that what Luffy said will come to pass and he'll directly take her on at a later date, most likely in Elbaf. However, for that to be the case there'd have to be some reason for Big Mom going there in the first place, which is currently unclear as, whilst we know of her past there, we haven't seen any modern rational for interacting with them after the Lola incident.
>>159902512
They do have the strongest army in the world- I would be shocked if they didn't also have one of the strongest weapons in the world, and this is the OFFICIAL NAME but the weapon Uranus could likely be on Elbaf as well. They aren't part of the World Government, otherwise they would have had a representative at the Reverie we see in Daltons flashback.I don't doubt there will still be some form of either World Government (through CP0), or the Marines.
Also I would be really, really disappointed if all we get of Yonkos are arcs like Big Moms. If she really is done after this arc it's not like I'd stop reading One Piece or anything but I would take Kaido a LOT less seriously. Luffy and co. steamrolling through everything is not good storytelling. What we've had up till now has been fine and makes sense. Luffy can't beat Big Mom one on one, and that's what we are going to see before she actually goes down. Her powers are very interesting and that's why we didn't see Brooks' fight against her. There is a lot more to offer from her character and from her crew as well. The last chapter actually made me interested in the dumb little chef Streusel. I will have a hard time taking him seriously but I think he could actually fight Zoro in the future as stupid as that fucking sounds. I honestly hope nobody screencaps this unless I am right in some way
>>159902911
Hey, I'd be all for seeing the Big Mom pirates again later. The key thing is that if she isn't dealt with now she's got to have her second appearance setup sufficiently well, especially if it's somehow connected to Elbaf, which is a location that's long been awaited in the story. As it currently stands I think there's enough reason to think both outcomes are possible at the moment, all it comes down to is what Oda chooses to go with in the next chapters.
I do like your idea of Zoro getting to fight Streusen. I love the idea that he managed to excel over the course of his life and actually become a powerhouse, as opposed to just being useful utility. However, I'd be fine with him not being all that too. Really, I'd just like to see a Sanji vs Katakuri fight, given the shared CoO specialization and kicking fighting style; however he's been pretty clear as the second strongest member of the Big Mom pirates throughout the tea party, which would infer that, in a full Straw Hat vs Big Mom pirates fight, he'd be facing off against Zoro.
>>159903398
yeah I can see that. Since Alabasta, Zoro has gotten the cooler fights over Sanji, even Kaku was pretty good in the end
>>159867003
thanks for all the replies, everyone, got a lot of sweet, tasty (you)s from this thread
odafags are by far the easiest ones to epicly bait
>>159868280
Doffy should have won and all you OPfag know it
>>159880435
The genies will is separate from Daifuku it can't be predicted with CoO you pleb.
>>159898403
>Carrot hating fag
Just quit the series. It isn't for you.
>>159868438
I buy the volumes on physical release and mostly just read spoilers/the chapters that make big waves online.
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