White Album 2 thread in commemoration of me finishing the game

>>159864192
Setsuna THE TRUE ENDING? WHAT THE FUCK? REALLY?

>>159865650
In Closing Chapter if you don't pick Setsuna the story ends there. If you want to advance into the final chapter Coda you have to go through Setsuna's route, which pretty much means you are forced to cheat on Setsuna again if you want to pursue Kazusa.

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This is still my favourite anime of all time.

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>>159866007

>best lovers, best friends

Find a girl who will fist bump you to let you know she's proud of you for doing great

CC and Coda anime fucking never. Even if they did it it would have to be 24 episodes each if they want to cover everything.

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>>159866403

Whatever it takes, if it's as excellent an adaptation as the IC portion was. I prefer the anime to IC.

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>>159866546
Hope is pretty much dead. You don't want this long to capitalize on a franchise that did that well.

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>>159866650

Yes, you're right but if they were to do it, I'd like them to treat it with the same caret hey did with IC.

And if not, I happen to think WA2 had a fucking excellent ending, the airport scene was a bit much, but it didn't ruin anything.

It's incorrect to say everyone i happy in Setsuna's ending. Because that's not the point

The endings are meant to be a dichotomy

In Setsuna's route, Haruki wants Kazusa to become a more "balanced" person
But in the process she is losing what makes Kazusa, Kazusa. But by losing that she will never be a world class pianist.

In Kazusa's ending, she DOUBLES DOWN on being Kazusa. Haruki admits that trying to change her is wrong, and he literally says she's the worst woman ever, but he loves that about her. With that encouragement, Kazusa becomes a world class pianist. Because you see if Setsuna route was about her being balanced, than Kazusa route is about her min maxing.

As said this is meat to be a dichotomy

In Setsuna's ending Kazusa sacrifices herself for the happiness of everyone else

In Kazusa's ending EVERYONE else makes a sacrifice for her happiness

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>>159866984
>In Kazusa's ending, she DOUBLES DOWN on being Kazusa. Haruki admits that trying to change her is wrong, and he literally says she's the worst woman ever, but he loves that about her. With that encouragement, Kazusa becomes a world class pianist. Because you see if Setsuna route was about her being balanced, than Kazusa route is about her min maxing.

I fucking love those two.

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not everyone likes Kazusa

but at the very least I understand her design philosophy

she's basically Megumin
she dumps all of her points in one area, and ends up a mess

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>>159867203
>not everyone likes Kazusa

What's to not like though? She withdrew into herself because she felt like her mother abandoned her when she was young and she felt like the only person who was nice to her could never love her because she's rude, difficult and hard to get along with (in her eyes).

But when you look at the effort she goes to for Haruki, to teach him a difficult Guitar song to secretly composing the song he had written for her, which she didn't realize was about her) it's hard not to like her.

Also, her friendship with Kazusa, very important of course, and one thing that stops WA2 from feeling like a small harem shit anime.

>Setsunafag

I see you're a man of taste.

>>159867350
>what's not to like
Oh I don't know, how she's a coward who ran for 5 years only to come back to wreck her best friend's life and how despite all that she felt and I quote "happy from the bottom of my heart" despite turning Setsuna into the most miserable girl in the world? Setsuna is a saint in comparison. She could have left Kazusa to rot after Haruki ran to her and confessed everything but no, she chose to help Kazusa get back on her own two feet. She went to Kazusa's hotel room and slapped the sense back into her and even cried for the fact that Kazusa's mother was going to die.

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>>159867486

I'm a Kazusafag, but even I didn't want Setsuna to be hurt the way she was.

>>159867502

Setsua only ever borrowed Haruki's heart, how can you read IC and not realize the only people they would and could ever love is each other. And she only 'ran away' because she cared for Setsuna that much in the first place, just like how she avoided them when they were dating.

>>159867502

she came back because Haruki invited her to come back

Strasbourg really messed things up

>>159866984
>Kazusa sacrifices herself.
>EVERYONE else makes a sacrifice for her happiness.

All that you said is right but Kazusa didn't sacrifice anything. It's Haruki, and sometimes Setsuna, the ones who makes the decisions.

In Setsuna True, Haruki rejects Kazusa, despite her being insistent in running away with him, in favor of Setsuna's and his own happiness, and this implies keeping his friendship and bonds with everyone.

The thing is to sacrifice one person for everything or everything for one person.

>>159867678
>Setsua only ever borrowed Haruki's heart
Bullshit, the only time that's ever said is by Setsuna herself in Kazusa's true end and that was only when she realized she lost. Haruki loves both of them and that's the reason he broke down in the cheating route. Even at the end of Kazusa's route Haruki specifically used 愛　to describe how he felt about setsuna albeit in the past tense. His feelings towards her were genuine but he only ever chose Kazusa because he realized without him her life would be a wreck since she couldn't do anything. He chose to let go of Setsuna because he knew she was strong enough and that she had the support of friends and family unlike Kazusa.

>>159865793
Yeah, i understand but was not Kazusa the main heroine?

>>159867678
>Setsuna only ever borrowed Haruki's heart.
It doesn't exist something like that. You don't borrow a heart. That's something that Setsuna said in Kazusa True to excuses his friends actions, which are obviously wrong. Don't get me wrong, I'm a Kazusafag, but it really amaze me how much people try to demonize Setsuna when Kazusa is even a worse person than her. And she run away because she is too coward to face the situation.

Setsuna a best, Kazusa a shit. End of of discussion.

>>159868048
Kazusa doesn't even appear in Closing Chapter except for one small scene.

>>159867885
How was Haruki sacrificing Kazusa in Setsuna's route? Sure she didn't get Haruki in the end but she manages to become a properly functioning adult thanks to Haruki and Setsuna's efforts. I'd hardly call that a sacrifice.

>>159867885

well Setsuna route closes her career as world class pianist

As Youko said, her skill was good enough for "Japan"
So Kazusa decided she would live in Japan
but that's her ceiling now

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>>159867900

Sorry, I disagree that Haruki chose Kazusa because of such a flimsy reason, if that were true this entire series would be a fucking joke.

Haruki loved Kazusa first, and from day 1, but like she to him, he thought she was way too good for a scrub like him, and her pushing him a way didn't help. He wrote Todokanai Koi for her for god's sake and when she left it utterly destroyed him.

You can make an argument that he truly loved Setsuna in the Setsuana routes I guess, but it's a pointless argument because I could say the same for Kazusa. I'm not saying IC is the clinching argument here, but still.

>>159868096

If you truly got WA2, you wouldn't even pick sides.

now that I think of it. Saenai feels really tame after Damekoi and White Album 2

..what happened Maruto

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>>159864192
>Setsuna's route: Setsuna and Haruki helps Kazusa become independent and all 3 end up being good friends again. Everybody is happy. In this route we also see Setsuna's inner struggle between her nice self and the self that resents what Haruki did to her all those years ago.

Even in her route he looked depressed while their wedding, she really has no luck.

>>159868108
Bro, this really broke my heart. It´s not that i don´t like Setsuna but... you know... I love the other couple.
Sorry for bad engrish.

>>159868048
No, Setsuna is the main heroine. She has the most screentime and is the only heroine written all by Maruto. She the only character who has an important role in all the routes, even more than Haruki, and appears first in the credits right after him. Besides, she is the first heroine to be introduced and she is the trigger of the plot. Even her name is also a reference to Yuki Morikawa, White Album previous main heroine. Kazusa is on the front of the cover because the dev. team is obsessed with her and I don't blame them for that, but storywise Setsuna is the most important.

>>159868273

Everything feels tame for me after WA2. Also, why is it always Kazusa and Setsuna fans arguing? Why does Haruki never get shit?

>>159868267
I did pick sides. Kazusa honestly did nothing to me; I couldn't form an emotional tie to her character.

>>159868336
He looks shy.

What the fuck, mods?

>>159868267
You speak as if you've never read anything outside of IC. If your argument is that Haruki only ever truly loves Setsuna in her own route that I call bullshit on that. If he didn't love Setsuna he wouldn't beat up his best friend Tomochika in the 3 years between IC and CC for confessing to Setsuna (see the digital novel The idol who forgot how to sing). If he didn't love Setsuna he wouldn't have tone through all that shit in CC Setsuna to fix their relationship and get her to sing again. The fact is he got over Kazusa in CC and he would have ended up with any of the other 3 heroines too. He would only ever truly love Kazusa my ass.

>>159868336
He's facing his mother in this picture. The mother he has issues with. If you paid an attention at all during the game you wouldn't make such a stupid mistake.

>>159868336
Of course, Maruto already said it was Kazusa are true love, It's even clear when you played coda.

>>159868370
Hmm. That´s make sense. Thanks for the explanation bro.

>>159868374

Kiminozo
Muvluv
WA2

all had intense waifu wars

everything after that felt more civil
I guess VN is moving away from waifu wars

>>159868501
>maruto said
Source or you're talking out your ass. If you played coda you would realize he loves both girls.

>>159868336
Read the VN dumbass.

I say Kazusa True is the canon ending because White Album should end with someone singing Powder Snow

though if you go the novelization, the cheating route is the canon ending. (and they also did it in a very trollish manner, It starts as Setsuna true then it turns out to be a dream)

>>159868374
Oh Haruki is absolutely the most blameworthy person in this shitstorm. I could sympathize with him in IC but the Haruki CC and Coda is just so fucking retarded it makes me want to punch him. If he really held feelings for Kazusa after all that time, he shouldn't have fucking strung Setsuna along for 5 fucking years and proposed to her. At that point you live with your fucking choices like a goddamn adult. You don't go and wreck everything just to pursue some old flame from your childhood. That's some chickflick bullshit right there.

>>159868267
>You can make an argument that he truly loved Setsuna in the Setsuana routes I guess, but it's a pointless argument because I could say the same for Kazusa. I'm not saying IC is the clinching argument here, but still.

Haruki loved Setsuna in every route, even in IC despite preferring Kazusa, that's a fact stated in the vn, but he still had some latent feelings for Kazusa inside him, which burst in Coda, specially on Kazusa True.

>If you truly got WA2, you wouldn't even pick sides

This. Sadly, no one gets it.

>>159868659
>I say Kazusa True is the canon ending because White Album should end with someone singing Powder Snow

I would say that Kazusa True is the route that should be played last, and then get the closing with Powder Snow. WA2 has two true endings, I know it sucks but that's how it is.

Powder Snow is such an amazing song tho, It always gets me.

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>>159868370

No, there is no 'main heroine', the whole point of WA2 is the love triangle, they are all equally important. If Kazusa is barely in CC then it's because of story reasons and it's all them ore brave a decision to do that, because her arrival hits like a ton of bricks so it was obviously worth doing it like that.

And no one is denying he deeply cares for Setsuna,

>He would only ever truly love Kazusa my ass.

Again, I don't want to use IC to clinch the argument but, it's the only non ambiguous route and he chose Kazusa in it, I dunno' how we can get any clearer than that. Maybe it's my interpretation but 5 years is nowhere near long enough to ever truly forget you love someone.

>>159868204
>well Setsuna route closes her career as world class pianist

She was disposed to do the same in her True end as a compensation for ruining Setsuna's life. Her career didn't matter that much for her when Haruki is in the middle.

>>159868662

I think the issue is that you can't get a clean break from Kazusa as long as you are with Setsuna

I am sure the reverse also applies which is why they went all the fuck away to Europe in that other ending

maybe the only true clean break is with Koharu

>>159868772
But you are clearly denying that Haruki loves Setsuna in every route which is blatantly not true.

People seem to think Haruki made a clear choice to go with Kazusa in IC. I don't see it as such. He never broke things off with Setsuna. What happened is he loves both and he went to the airport because he didn't want Kazusa to leave. Simple as that.

>>159868743
>Powder Snow is such an amazing song tho, It always gets me.

It's a great song that's even better when you have the lyrics.

So real talk, best version? I really like the duet between Yuki and Rina, one of the few good moments that anime. (I can't believe WA2 is a sequel to that trash, it's literally night and day)

>>159868743
>>159869040
As a setsunafag Powder Snow just kills me. But you know what song really kills me? 優しい嘘, especially in Koharu's route.

>>159868772
>No, there is no 'main heroine', the whole point of WA2 is the love triangle.

Saying that the main point of WA2 is the love triangle is downplaying the depth of its story. The main theme of WA is the other face of happiness (its even stated in the title, "shiawase no mukougawa"), which is shown all the endings of every route. Also, the side heroines also exist, and they develop Haruki's character in different ways, and in those routes Setsuna still plays a key role. Yes, Kazusa is absent for story reasons, but she is still absent, she is not directly there, Kazusa barely takes part in Colsing Chapter, which is the main part of WA2, while Setsuna plays an important role in every single route, and even though she is a bit sidelined in Kazusa's True she is still the central conflict. The main heroine is the love interest who matters the most in the story not necessarily the one who wins, and in this case is clearly Setsuna.

>>159869178
Even in Kazusa's true route 60-70% of it deals with the fallout with Setsuna and her family and friends. It doesn't get anymore blatant than that.

>>159869040
They are too different, Yuki and Rina version always kill, that concert and that scene in general was so powerful. Setsuna's version is heartbreaking too, but it has a sour touch to it to the point that it's not emotional anymore but hurting and sorrowful.

I'd like to think Powder Snow was Setsuna's final "fuck you" to Kazusa and Haruki to guilt trip them into being even more miserable but I know Setsuna's far too nice of a person to intend that.

>>159868919
>What happened is he loves both and he went to the airport because he didn't want Kazusa to leave. Simple as that.

Ehhhhh, how can you watch the entire Airport scene and have that be your take on it? I think from the moment they reconciled and made love the day before she left, it was pretty clear that Haruki realized he loved Kazusa more.

>>159869178
>Saying that the main point of WA2 is the love triangle is downplaying the depth of its story.

I mean to do the opposite though, I like WA2 because of pretty much everything about the story, I like the love between Haruki and Kazusa, I like that Kazusa and Setsuna's social hang ups and reasons for falling in love with Haruki were explained, I really love that unlike most anime in this genre or anime with similar elements the relationship between the two girls is just as crucial to the story as the relationship between Haruki and anyone.


I can see from your replies you love WA2 the same way as me, so no matter what we say, you are my nigger always.


And I would concede Setsuna has maybe the most important role, I just don't think it makes her the main heroine. You can't tell this amazing story with just two of the three.

>>159869358

I fucking loved Rina, man. Far too good for WA. I can't stomach Setsuna's version, the context is just too much.

>>159864192
>Cheating route: Haruki cheats on Setsuna but does not completely break things off with her. He has sex with both girls and constantly lies to Setsuna which is slowly shredding conscience. He runs away with Kazusa to the hotspring from the first chapter and there Kazusa

Why Setsuna agrees to take him back when it is Touma he really likes in this route?

>>159864192
I've been dying to play this. Fuck my shitty laptop and it's OS X

>>159869641
Well, the same could be said of IC.

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>>159869641
Once again, Haruki loves both girls. That is the reason he broke down in the first place. Also, Setsuna will always accept Haruki no matter how many times he betrays her. .

White Album 2 consumes a lot of resources but if you choose this option it significantly reduces the load.

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Let's not forget, despite what happens, Kasusa and Setsuna love each other a lot as well.

>>159869912
Also meant to reply to
>>159869798

>>159869912
>I love you most in the world, Setsuna
>Liar
>Only partially

Yes he loved her but not as much as Touma.

>>159869598
>And I would concede Setsuna has maybe the most important role, I just don't think it makes her the main heroine.

Well, that's not something you can say like that, because who is the main heroine is not something subjective. Kazusa is always present on Haruki's heart, but that not necessarily makes her the main heroine. Anyways, both Kazusa and Setsuna are the face of WA2 so I don't se the point of arguing this. Both girls are amazing.

>I fucking loved Rina, man. Far too good for WA. I can't stomach Setsuna's version, the context is just too much.

Dude, Rina is best girl by far, such an amazing and deep character, she was the most selfless person in the show by far. Also, you can clearly see the parallels between her and Kazusa and I just love that. In my head, she won in the anime.

>I can't stomach Setsuna's version, the context is just too much

Even though I sightly prefer Haruki with Kazusa, Setsuna is such an iconic character for me, she leave me a deep wound after finishing Kazusa True, it was an amazing experience. Powder Snow is the saddest anime love song I've ever heard and the true main theme for WA series.

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>>159869951

Good adaptation.

>>159869983
Where does that say he loves Touma most then? The lie is that he loves Setsuna most. The truth is that he loves them both in no particular order.

>>159870052
It means that he loves Setsuna but not "the most in the world" which means it is Touma he loves the most in the world.

>>159870131
This. Yet he always come back to Setsuna.

Is anyone excited for Damekoi getting an english release?

https://vndb.org/v415

>>159870170
I want Parfait.

>>159870027

>I don't se the point of arguing this. Both girls are amazing.

We were dangerously close to just arguing semantics anyway, if not already actually there.


>she was the most selfless person in the show by far.

YES, She was the ONLY person who made moves on Yuki's boyfriend, who confessed to Yuki straight away because she cared for Yuki too much to lie about it.

>Powder Snow is the saddest anime love song I've ever heard and the true main theme for WA series.

I think I still like Todokanai Koi best, it just has so much significance, Haruki wrote it, Kazusa composed it and Setsuna sang it...then all three combined musical talents to bring it to life, the anime ending on that song is a masterstroke because it's got the 'ayyy it;s the OP' thing going on, but now you know it's about Haruki's feelings towards Kazusa, and that music festival is arguably the last time the three of them were together as friends.

So good.

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>don't cry, not in front of the girl you threw away

Now THIS is the part that fucking killed me. That is a killer line.

>>159870355
Todokanai Koi is amazing too, but CLOSING is another one that always get me, especially when you hear it on the credits of Kazusa True alongside the orange sky and the snow falling, its just secrams "congrats, you finished this game after all the drama and suffering", just an amazing closing to one of the best vn, and the lyrics are pretty much about Kazusa. Powder Snow its still my all time favorite of WA, specially from Setsuna's pov.

Sayonara no Koto is good too, i don't remember hearing it in the game, such a pity because it has a touch too.

>YES, She was the ONLY person who made moves on Yuki's boyfriend, who confessed to Yuki straight away because she cared for Yuki too much to lie about it.

Indeed. Rina was very hurt when she realized that she loved him too. She deserved to win, I heard that her route in the vn is the best.

>>159870606
Shit, this game just rips your heart.

Any hope of a translation or will I have to just keep ankidroning? I would honestly kill to be able to read it now.

>>159870696
>Sayonara no Koto is good too

>"If I hadn't met you, I wouldn't have know this pain"

It's how every WA2 fan feels about the way they were before they discovered WA2.

To bring up the way the anime series uses music again, the way they bring in Sayonara no Koto in the last few minutes of every episode, usually after a bombshell or revelation, the timing is just perfect.

It's one of the reason why I still think the anime is better than IC.

>>159870839
The translation on Baka Tsuki is fucking ESL level garbage. Even if it gets released it seriously misrepresents what is being said. I read through their translation of The Idol Who Forgot How to Sing and did a side by side comparison with the original and it's just fucking maddening how bad these translators are.

>>159867350
>Kazusa20
How many do you have? I feel like I have to compulsively save every cute image I find of her

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>>159870043
They should just ditch Haruki and fuck each other. Where's that route, Maruto?

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>>159870999

Like 30 or so if we include the non Kasusa specific numbered ones that she's in, like >>159869951

It's criminally low, but I was screencapping as I went along in a past WA2 thread. I'm really sorry but I'd post all of them except I have to go bed now. And the kicker is, I only really browse the /a/ catalog for WA2 threads these days. (and recently, Yuri, but WA2 will always be best)

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>>159869983
>世界一位タイくらい
>一位タイ
>タイ
What the hell does this even mean? He says this right after the whole half lie thing.

>>159870921
Oh yes, the ED enters in at just the right time. Who was the studio again? They did a fantastic job on the sound direction.

I recommend everyone who played the PC version of the game to watch the Extra Episode included in the PS3 version.
https://www.bilibili.com/video/av451747/?from=search&seid=2555102615604638111

>>159871290
Why do you care? From the rest of the sentence, you can easily infer what he's talking about.

>>159871491
Because it could change the whole meaning of the sentence? What the hell does タイ mean here?

>>159871296

No idea I'm afraid, but you're right, they did. Music is actually quite important to WA2, and I guess even WA1. It was 'White Album' the song that kinda' brought them together in the first place (and what first crossed Haruki with Kazusa). I think it's like set 10 years after WA1, so if that story was a story of love then WA is series of self contained stories of love connected by music, maybe.

>>159871290
>>159871491
>>159871545
https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q136927118
>英語のtieからきています。

Looks like I was right. He loves them both equally. It's a tie.

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>>159871647

Could you please drop it? We've moved on.

>>159871844
Learn when you're BTFO'd. He loves them both equally. Kazusa is not number 1.

>>159871875
What's the context though? I felt like it was pretty obvious that while he definitely did love both of them, he had at least a different type of love for Kazusa, whether you want to call it stronger or not, that made him eventually give up everything.

>>159871875

welp, guess it's a fine time to pack it in, Setsunafags strike again.

>>159871970

he loved them both, which is why he fucking shagged Kazusa first and kissed her intensely in front of Setsuna, then coldly ignored her as he watched Kazusa leave while he was dying inside.

>>159871970
Context? Read the fucking line right there. It's in the VN. What more fucking proof do you want? How you "feel" is completely irrelevant. I know you're a Kazusafag but at least have some objectivity especially when the source material is starring at you right in the face.

>>159872049
Oh yes, he totally doesn't love Setsuna, which is why he went punched his best friend when he confessed to her and fought tooth and nail to reestablish his relationship with her again in CC and get her to sing again.

>>159872062
I meant the context of the conversation, like what route it is and stuff. Sorry, I'm a pleb and can't into moon.

>>159872159
Right after he tells Setsuna "I love you the most in the world" Setsuna says he's lying. To which he replies "only half of it was a lie". Then the monologue in >>159871290 occurs.

You can't read moon? That means you never played the game. How can you form any argument then? If you're basing everything off just IC you're only privy to 20% of the context and no, reading summaries written by stupid fucking ESLs on their blogs doesn't count as playing the game.

>>159872260
Forgot to mention, this is at the end of Kazusa normal aka the cheating route. In the picture he's saying
"I probably still love Kazusa"
"She's probably tied for the person I love the most in the world"

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How can one man do everything so wrong?

>>159872366

It doesn't matter because no one ever blames him.

>>159871296
Satelight.

>>159872340
I get the feeling this is very dependent on route. He has routes where he picks neither and ends up with a different girl entirely.

Man, I wanted to like WA2 but I just can't deal with that level of love triangle drama. I dropped the anime after Haruki started dating Setsuna because I realized I didn't actually want to see the rest of it (I knew the ending already). Less miserable stuff like Kyou route in Clannad is fine with me, though.

>>159873095
I think WA2 handles it pretty well. It's not the kind of love triangle drama where all the characters have to lose about 50 IQ points for the plot to move forward, a la KGNE or WA1.

>>159872783
It's important to note that even in Setsuna and Kazusa's true routes he still loves both girls very much. The girl whose route we're on only wins by a very very small margin.

In Kazusa's true route's final scenes while he's on the plane, he realizes that he forgot his guitar. The guitar he used in university to play songs to Setsuna, to cheer her up when she's down and the guitar finally helped Setsuna overcome her trauma of singing. He decides that it's fine if he forgets that guitar since he'll never play it again. He dedicated his songs to Setsuna and he will never play it for anyone else. He then breaks down crying while on the plane.

In Setsuna's true route it was Kazusa who had to give him the final push to go with Setsuna right after the three of them had begun producing music together again. He didn't want to break that again and it was Kazusa's final push that made him realize that while he loves (大好き) kazusa, he loves (愛してる) setsuna. Again, he cries towards Kazusa for no being able to be with her. He then leaves the studio and proposes to Setsuna.

>>159873211
Man this nigga got issues

>>159873187
If it ever gets translated (lol) I'll probably just force myself to read it.

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>>159873211
This is the beauty of WA2. Even as the player, you're attached to both girls, each of whom are great but flawed, and although Haruki ends up happy with whoever you choose, you still feel horrible for the girl you didn't.

I've never played a VN before or since that had the same effect on me.

>>159873211
It must have been super traumatizing then for him to hear Setsuna "I still love you" to him using his guitar at the end of Kazusa's route then.

The game is really hard to complete as a Setsunafag. You have to see her getting destroyed 3 times in CC when you choose one of the side heroines and 2 times in Coda when you choose Kazusa although in one of those routes it ends up being good for her since Haruki eventually returns to her. Oh and of course you have to see her getting destroyed in IC too. In every instance you realize just how strong of a person she is and how much forgiving and saintly she is in some of them. Between Setsuna and Kazusa, Setsuna is without doubt the better human being and Haruki would be far happier with her.

I hope we get some afterword for Setsuna True someday. Cheating route got "To you, my sworn enemy". Kazusa True got an absolutely heartwarming CD Drama, while Setsuna True still got nothing.

>>159873947
>and Haruki would be far happier with her.
I was with you up till here.

>>159873947
>Between Setsuna and Kazusa, Setsuna is without doubt the better human being
Right.

>Haruki would be far happier with her.
Wrong.

>>159874127
>>159874129
It's an opinion dudesters. Chillax. Through I'd like to see how you argue Haruki would be happier betraying his friends and losing family vs getting everything but Kazusa.

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>>159874068
There was a mini after story game released for both setsuna and kazusa's ending.

Goddamn does Nakamura Takeshi draw some ugly ass babies.

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>>159874186
>Through I'd like to see how you argue Haruki would be happier betraying his friends and losing family vs getting everything but Kazusa

>>159874260
Yes, I know, I mean even more content. See that Mini Drama CD.

>>159874329
Maybe C92. Kazusa's CD came out in C91.

>>159868659
I didn't know WA2 had a novel. I don't suppose it's downloadable?

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>>159874260
>there will never be a WA2 remake with Kurehito's art

>>159872366
It's mostly circumstances.

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Man nakamura's art can be hilariously bad at times. This is what it looks like when IC was released.

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>>159875597
When CC came out it got fixed

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>>159875597
Don't forget this scene where Kazusa looks like a 13 year old child.

>>159875597
>Hold on a minute, Setsuna, I need to move this mannequin out of the way

>>159875775
And setsuna looks like a freaking pencil.

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Who looked at this and thought "Yes that looks great. Ship it!"

>>159875597
whats wrong with her hands

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>>159874186
Going with Kazusa obviously brings more practical difficulties and tsuntsun, but when it comes to his happiness/misery, the love factor eclipses everything else for him. He won't be any less happy with her than with Setsuna.

>>159876365
You don't even need words, just listening to cd drama will be enough to understand how happy they are together.

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I really like Maruto's WA2 references in Koisuru Metronome. Started reading because of them.

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>>159876537

I think that's the one where at the end Kazusa sounds completely happy right?

>>159875717

This is one of the best bits in the anime, why the hell isn't it on Youtube yet? I'd do it myself if I could.

>You reminded me how fun it was to play the Piano
>You taught me how painful it was to fall in love

>>159877279
>I think that's the one where at the end Kazusa sounds completely happy right?
Yep.

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>>159877338

Sounds like she's playfully initiating sex to me. Not that there's anything wrong with that of course, but after seeing the series it's hard to imagine Kazusa THAT happy.

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This is the best ending to a story full of pain and suffering, ups and downs, Kazusa and Haruki finally getting married in the room where she first kissed him.

>>159878033
Now that I look at the full-size version, what is she doing with her hands there?

>>159878033
Same artist as >>159875597 and the others? Looks like he's improving, at least.

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>>159878033
Haha no. This is.

>>159880885

I would have loved to see, in True Kasusa, Setsuna having given her sincere blessing to Haruki and Kazusa, to persue a career in the pop industry and everything ending on Kasusa and Haruki going to see their best friend play at a concert.

>>159880996
Unlike Setsuna, Kazusa did not work her ass off to earn Setsuna's blessing. Hell she didn't even try. She was still "happy from the bottom of my heart" that she made setsuna the most miserable girl int he world whereas Setsuna wouldn't even talk to Haruki until the two of them got Kazusa back on her feet.

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>>159881052

>>159880736
The art was easily the weakest aspect of the game. White Album2 Closing Chapter was voted Getchu's best game of 2011 in 4 out of 8 categories: Overall best game, best music, best character, best scenario. The other 4 categories were art, system, movie and ero.

Did the anime not do so well sales wise? I can't understand why it didn't get a continuation.

>>159869126
>>159869040
Guitar-only powder snow a best.

Koharu's route definitely hit me really hard with all that suffering.

>>159881052

This salt though.

>>159881193

K A M I G E

>>159881651
Don't know about sales, but the VN is just far too long to even adapt either Setsuna or Kazusa's route fully.

>>159881651
It didn't do well in sales, so Maruto, in need of cash, wrote a haremshit LN and made bank off the anime adaptation.

>>159881792
The anime wouldn't have earned Maruto much no matter how well it did. Maruto already raked in all the cash when the game became best game of 2011 and continues its status as kamige to this very day.

>>159881704

Can't wrap my head aroung Haruki choosing someone not Setsuna or Kasusa. What was the idea adding in so many heroines anywsy?

>>159881792
Honestly saekano is alright but every time I see idiots lapping it up I just want to break something.

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>>159881850
>What was the idea adding in so many heroines anywsy?

Obligatory eroge routes. Note however that the routes are done quite convincingly, i.e. when Kazusa is overseas and out of the picture and while Haruki and Setsuna are stuck in an awkward groove and not really meeting much at all. Haruki goes off and pursues his side girl while sending a nightly text to Setsuna.

Pic related is best christmas cake-fu.

>>159876900
I really don't consider this to be okay one single bit.

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Still can't believe the illustrator was at AX.

White Album 2 is the definition of NTRkino.

>>159882037
>tfw missed out on WA2 goods at C91

Honestly, White Album 2. I don't like to say I hate things that I can recognize have genuine merit and are positively regarded as widely as WA2 is, but the entire premise of the drama (Haruki being an indecisive buffoon) doesn't sit well with me and I just can't bring myself to sit through so much relationship drama in the first place, it's not my thing. Maybe it would be different if I cared about the characters, but everything Setsuna says feels "calculated" in a way that pisses me off and it felt to me like the narration was serving largely to justify Haruki's bullshit - Maruto is clearly a good writer, as the game's text is very well-written and expressive, but when that's being used to depict what is basically just a guy who can't pick between two girls it comes across as self-serving, even manipulative, to me. I dropped the game pretty early in CC because I pretty much couldn't stand the approach he was taking with any of the characters, so I don't know if it gets better later or what, but I'm probably not willing to sit through it long enough to make it that far, especially when Setsuna makes me want to stab her in the face every time she opens her mouth.

>>159881850
In CC Haruki was guilt ridden for betraying Setsuna 3 years ago so he kept her at arm's length. Never really approaching her and never really breaking things off with her. Through his friends' intervention he and Setsuna started talking again and all this culminated on Christmas Eve where Takeya and Io set the two up on a date in a fancy restaurant with a hotel room booked for the end. Setsuna and Haruki finally start to reconcile and Haruki tells Setsuna he has forgotten about Kazusa and wants to pretend none of that ever happened and reset his relationship with Setsuna. Setsuna of course, having never given up all these 3 years was happy to accept if that was what he wanted. In the hotel room just when they were about to have sex, Setsuna breaks down and lets all the resentment she held bottled in for 3 years explode. She tells Haruki she knows he's lying and that he never forgot Kazusa. His feelings for Kazusa hasn't changed at all after 3 years. Haruki leaves in a daze and seeks refuge with one of the 3 heroines. Setsuna laments her own stupidity for pushing Haruki away again right before she was about to be rewarded for her 3 years of effort. She breaks down screaming. This major event is the crossroads for CC. Haruki can either choose to seek solace with one of the other girls or face the fact that even after all this he still loves Setsuna and wants to repair the relationship. The latter is the "canon" route which eventually leads into coda.

>>159881850
I think it was to emphasize other aspects of Haruki's personality.

Like how he buries himself in work to avoid his problems in Mari's route.

Setsuna a shit.

>>159882228
Don't you start buddy.

>>159882094
I think WA2 is just not for you. I love the series to death and I didn't feel it was contrived, but rather more a series of unfortunate events without breaking my suspension of disbelief.

>>159882094
If you can't empathize with Setsuna there's no way you're going to ever like the game since she's always going to be in everybody's route. The game always goes out of its way to make you feel like shit if you don't pick her route.

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>>159882354
Maruto guilt tripping you in Koharu's route.

Kazusa's Route in Coda is the true ending, you can't deny this
>Ending song is called Closing

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>>159882442
Guilt tripping you in Chiaki's route

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>>159882458
Guilt tripping you in Mari's route.

Who's still mad at Maruto for that choice in Closing chapter

You know what I'm talking about

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>>159882476
Guilt tripping you in Kazusa's route.

>>159882496
The concert? It's funny how the choice completely disappears later too.

>>159882476
I don't remember this scene in Mari's route.

>>159882442
>>159882501
Absolutely heartbreaking.

>>159882354
Not the one you're answering, I empathized with her, but always found myself thinking about Kazusa in the back of my mind
The fact that she took advantage of the situation in IC to get Haruki first to not feel left out had a strong impact on my impression of her, even if she came to love him sincerely

>>159882529
It's the scene where Io and Takeya take Setsuna and Haruki to a ski resort. Haruki spills the beans to Setsuna and lets her cry in his arms until she falls asleep. Then he leaves her forever.

>>159882527
Yeah, fucking hell that was the worst troll

>>159882554
All's fair in love and war. Kazusa was the one not playing fair by constantly denying her feelings for Haruki in front of Setsuna despite Setsuna asking her multiple times and then out of nowhere kissed Haruki. Setsuna was driven into a corner and did what she had to do to win.

Any of you guys here read/watched Saekano too? I'm baffled by how Maruto could write such a kamige as WA2 and then utter smelly shit like Saekano. I don't care if it's a """"meta""""" thing, I hated every skit, scene and development that happened except for those with Katou

I really can't believe he wrote that

>>159882618
I reserve judgement until he finishes the damn thing. So far it not at all measuring up to the quality of WA2.

>>159882618
I still don't understand how people can /unironically/ like Megumi - it just boggles my mind.

>>159882501
Man, this one got me good.

Powder Snow still makes me sad, but it's such a good song. Even the original version.

>>159882613
But of course I can't blame Kazusa since her very character was that she was socially inept and awkward as hell. You can't really blame anyone for anything that happened in IC. CC and Coda are a different story though and I can absolutely blame somebody for some of the shit that goes down there.

>>159882613
Oh yeah, justifiable, but I don't think Setsuna was moved by love, she just didn't want to be left out at that point. Also it is pretty low, considering she did that immediately after seeing Kazusa kiss Haruki

I don't dislike her though, but I like Kazusa just way more

>>159882618
I've been wondering the same thing with Classroom Crisis, what the fuck was he trying to accomplish with that anime?

>>159882670
The thing is, every Utaha scene is either
U: "Fuck me MC please"
MC: "AAAAAH FUCKFUCK WHAAAT"
or bickering with twintails because my cliché comedic routine

Twintails is the same, either some cheap tsundere scene or fighting with Utaha

Katou has the most refreshing scenes, it's not like they're something special and delve deep into the selves of the characters showing interesting bits of themselves, but at last the dynamic is somewhat original in comparison to everything else that happens

>>159882708
Did you miss the part where she said "That's obviously not true"? She fell in love with Haruki probably as early back as episode 2 for being the only person to see her for who she really was.

>>159882684
I only blame Haruki for everything that happens after IC, but I can understand how hard it must've been

Neither Kazusa nor Setsuna deserved to lose by Coda

>>159882708
>Also it is pretty low, considering she did that immediately after seeing Kazusa kiss Haruki

I'm a Setsunafag but really if she hadn't done that so much trouble could've been avoided altogether.

>>159882818
I could say the exact same thing for Megumi where she does the whole deadpan face and recites five lines of Japanese exposition explaining the punchline to a joke already clearly visible to the viewer.

>>159882891
If she hadn't done that she was guaranteed to lose since her nice self would have eventually given her blessings to those two. There's really no way for her to remain relevant unless she went on the offensive there.

>>159864192
Dark hairs > light hairs

Discuss.

>>159882824
Sorry, I've read the VN a couple years ago and I don't remember the details
I don't remember that scene, but honestly I doubt love sprouted so early for her, she was probably just interested

>>159882922
Yeah, you're right, I still find her scenes less annoying than the rest of the anime though, at least sometimes they bring something different
Generally I still think Saekano is a 4/10 at best anyway, it's not like she saves the anime or anything

>>159883119
That wasn't in the VN. It was in the anime probably to make her intentions clearer to even the most dimwitted of audiences. There's no way everything she did was just because she didn't want to be left out. She only told Haruki that because she didn't want Haruki to feel bad for betraying her. She was absolutely in love with Haruki by that point.

>>159882501
What a warm, innocent picture :^)

>>159869798
bootcamp

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>>159881052
>She was still "happy from the bottom of my heart" that she made setsuna the most miserable girl int he world
It's vice versa actually.

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>>159884596
If only you read only a few more lines ahead.

I'm seriously thinking about learning moon just so I can read CC. I watched WA2 couple years ago and it messed me up for a good 2 weeks, haven't cried so much on a romance show since Nobu asked Nana to shatter his illusion.

>>159885003
It's a long road ahead. Even as N1 although I got the general gist of events I'm sure I missed a lot of subtleties.

>>159885003
I've read it as my second nip VN and it wasn't that hard. I might've missed the nuance of the prose but I sure as hell enjoyed it a fucking lot

Is there a translation for coda? The last time I checked only the introductory chapter was translated.

>>159885321
Not even close. Even CC hasn't been fully translated yet and the translation has been stalled forever.

>>159885140
>>159885259
I reckon I'd need at least a year before I could read anything in japanese. It's even harder when you need to learn a whole new alphabet, as if greek and latin weren't enough.

Reminder that Haruki kissed Kazusa on Setsuna's birthday, which is Valentine's Day.

>>159885427
He also made her unable to sing and hate snow since it was snowing on her birthday and the day kazusa left.

>>159885405
It helps that Japanese grammar is quite simple as well.

And fortunately, quite a bit of WA2 is voiced (even the MC's lines, which is rare for a VN), so focusing more on grammar and vocabulary might be a good idea.

Years later and people still argue about this.

What a masterpiece.

>>159882037
I knew I shoulve went.

>>159874878
I would cum literal buckets

>>159885427
...twice.

>>159868179
but it does
Kazusa sacrifices her talent in that route

>>159864192
Setsuna's route is pain.

Is there any reason to play through IC if I already watched the anime? Will I miss anything important?

>>159885705
Haruki and Setsuna were quite different from their real selves in the adaptation. Worth reading.

>>159885745
Any examples?

>>159864192
OP wasn't a faggot today
e-fist bump from a fellow Setsunafag, get yourself hydrated after those liters of tears

>>159885466
That's not really an impressive achievement desu, considering what gets discussed nowadays

>the man who wrote WA2 went on to write Saekano, a total disaster
What went wrong?

>>159885836
Seasonal anime that people forget about next season?

>>159885877
A one hit wonder.

>>159885877
He was broke and needed money

Simple as that, most people don't give a shit about the greatest love anime out there, they want tits and teases

>>159885977
>He was broke and needed money

Did he get paid that little for WA2?

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First white album is the best white album.

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>>159886053
I like the setting and WA1 overall since I'm a sucker for Bubble-era Japan stuff, but the story was a lot better in WA2.

Not to mention WA1 had the most infuriatingly designed system I've ever seen in a VN.

>>159885998
One series doesn't just print money forever anon.

Unless it's SAO/Raildex/Monogatari/Onii-sama/SnK etc.

>>159885466

It absolutely is, compared to WA1 it shows how less is more, the anime is basically 3 people all the way through, but it works. It will probably never be topped desu.

I think the ending is a large part of why it's survived the test of time, it manages to show consequences for fucking up without coming across as needlessly cynical, yet doesn't insult your intelligence by making out like shit can be okay just like that.

I really like the way Haruki and Setsuna tell each other on the way toward the airport that despite what happened, they were still glad they met each other.

>>159886053

I like to shit on WA1 but it's clear they fucked up and jumbled a ton of routes into 1, it would have probably been decent had they not done that.

Still, it gave us Rina, and Rina and Yuki probably set the wheels in motion for the WA2 trio to get together 10 years in advance by recording White Album.

I always found it extremely cruel that they made Setsuna sing Todokanai Koi when the whole song was basically a love letter from Haruki to Kazusa. It's especially cruel in the VN since Kazusa being the idiot she is never got the meaning of the song and thought Haruki made it for Setsuna

かずさ「その詞…小木曽をイメージして書いてるらしいぞ？」
雪菜「え？え？」
春希「あ、こらっ…い、いや…元の詞はもっと前に出来てたんだよ」
雪菜「え？え？え？」
春希「けど、その…雪菜がボーカルに来てくれることになったから、言葉の使い方とか、イメージとかだけ合わせて」
雪菜「え、えと、えと、それって…？」
かずさ「北原が詞を書いて、あたしが曲をつけた、小木曽のためだけの歌、だ」
雪菜「……」

I tried translating this into English but then realized I have no idea how to get the nuances to come across properly in English. If you understand Japanese pay attention to the spoilered text and how cruel it comes across to Setsuna, who is very perceptive of these things.

Shit like White Album just feels too real. I need my romances to have some kind of fantastical bullshit going on, or something I can somewhat relate to like a protagonist that's a fucking loser. Anything too realistic just makes me think about my real life and becomes depressing to watch.

>>159886307
>かずさ「その詞…小木曽をイメージして書いてるらしいぞ？」
>Kazusa "Those lyrics... They seem written with Ogiso in mind you know"

>雪菜「え？え？」
>Setsuna "Eh? Eh?"

>春希「あ、こらっ…い、いや…元の詞はもっと前に出来てたんだよ」
>Haruki "Ah, hey... N-no... The original lyrics were done much earlier"

>雪菜「え？え？え？」
>Setsuna "Eh? Eh? Eh?"

>春希「けど、その…雪菜がボーカルに来てくれることになったから、言葉の使い方とか、イメージとかだけ合わせて」
>Haruki "But, just... Since Setsuna was able to become our vocal, I've matched the wording and image to her"

>雪菜「え、えと、えと、それって…？」
>Setsuna "Eh, etto, etto, that means...?"

>かずさ「北原が詞を書いて、あたしが曲をつけた、小木曽のためだけの歌、だ」
>Kazusa "It's a song where Kitahara wrote the lyrics, I put them to a melody and is for your [Ogiso's] sake alone"

>雪菜「……」
>Setsuna "..."

I had a rough go.

>>159886351
Go play the WA1 VN. On their own, the routes are decent. Especially Yayoi's.

It had a great voice cast, too. One of the reasons I go back and play from time to time.

>>159886358
Fucking hell what happened to the spoiler function? Oh well. the emphasis is on
>小木曽をイメージして書いて
>元の詞はもっと前に出来てたんだよ
>イメージとか(((((だけ)))))

Anyway I always wondered how Setsuna brought herself to sing this song. Then I listened to the drama CD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEdF0yFvcW4

At 55:35 and onwards you hear Setsuna's monologue on the night after the concert. She apologizes to Kazusa for breaking the three's relationship despite knowing how everyone felt. She can now treat the song as her own as it reflects her own feelings as well, her feelings of love towards Kazusa as a friend that will never again reach Kazusa due to Setsuna's betrayal.

>>159886358

Setsuna definitely knew as well, you can see it on her face when she first reads it in Kazusa's house.

>>159886487

Does it explain what her actual deal was for coming on to the MC? Because I don't buy that 'substitue girlfriend' shit for a minute. I have a feeling she was lonely because she kept asking the MC if he loved her.

Is Haruki as big a piece of shit as the summaries make him sound? He's so selfish, inconsiderate, and beta.

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>>159886595
Yeah, it goes into her motivations a bit more. It isn't that shocking of a reason, but it definitely explains it better.

Getting onto her route is a bit tricky though, so try to find a walkthrough online for her.

Also, the remake has an extra character that wasn't in the anime, who unlocks after you clear either Yuki or Rina.

>>159886675
I don't think anyone hates on Haruki.

>>159886789
Why didn't he just go harem route?

I read this from a blog and I'm struck by how I never realized this sooner. In CC Setsuna is unable to sing again because according to her it brings back painful memories and might, no, WILL cause her to hate and resent Haruki. In order to remain in love with Haruki she chooses to never sing again. That alone is sad enough.

Now consider Koharu's route. At the very end of her route, Setsuna and Koharu meet and she tells Koharu of her past experience of being ostracized by her classmates in middle school like Koharu. She then tells Koharu that nobody will remember any of this in the future and relates how she went to a middle school reunion and they all sang kareoke and nobody seems to care about what happened in the past. Wait a minute, she sang kareoke? We know Setsuna's purpose in meeting Koharu was to hand Haruki over to Koharu. The revelation that she sang kareoke with her middle school friends tells you that she did everything she could to force herself to hate haruki in order to make the handover as painless for her as possible. And yet at the end of the route we are treated to this spectacle >>159882442

If your heart doesn't ache for Setsuna you are not human.

>>159886894
Because this isn't some cookie-cutter flavour of the month LN that's why.

>>159885894
>A one hit wonder.

WA2 isn't the only good VN he's written.

>>159886990
Setsuna meeting Koharu and Haruki breaking the news to the Ogiso family in Kazusa true end are some of the most uncomfortable scenes in the entire series.

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>>159887968
That look of despair on Koharu's face.
>SHE KNOWS!

>>159888090
Yet another reason why we will never get a CC anime. Koharu's VA just upped and disappeared after 2012.

>>159888203
No anime has ever recast a voice actor.

>>159888090
I haven't played CC, but Koharu looks like a poor man's Kazusa. Is this just same face at work?

>>159888690
She's actually a mini Haruki with the same meddling and self-righteous personality he had during high school. Even her name reflects this.

Is it true Haruki uses sex as a release in CC? Like, a lot?

>>159890593
Only in Kazusa's normal route in coda.

>>159886307
it also means that setsuna is also the reason why Haruki and Kazusa fell in love, basically setsuna was a glorified 3rd wheel

>>159890593
He's fucking repressed, he even grinds his office boss at a certain point

>>159893429
can someone give me a summary of his boss' route?

>>159893886
Quickie, I read it years ago and I don't remember much

Haruki in CC feels constantly like shit, he's depressed, tries to overwork himself to not think about his situation and tries to never have fun in college. Boss notices that and tries to make him take it easier. Haruki becomes dependent on boss, then starts falling for her, some stuff happens, she has to go to NY, and he ends up following her there iirc

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>>159882037
>that pose/costume recycling
What the fuck, Nakamura?

https://twitter.com/nakamura_takesh/status/674900446603902977
https://twitter.com/nakamura_takesh/status/873093042458181632

>>159885003
I know that feel.

>>159885405
Hiragana/katakana are the easy part. Kanji will take forever.

>>159885456
>It helps that Japanese grammar is quite simple as well.
Really? Maybe it's because I (still) haven't gotten through all of Tae Kim yet, but I find it hard to unpack when the examples start combining concepts.

>>159885321
>>159885347
Watch this space:

https://todokanaitl.wordpress.com/
>Translated lines: 31610/70253 (44.99%)

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>>159893429
>He's fucking repressed,

yup

>>159900069
When was this?

>>159900200

I think it was after he kissed Setsuna and almost started feeling her up in front of her house.

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>>159900273
Oh yeah that was back in IC.
>almost
He was full on groping her.

>>159900415
That fucking right hand. Nakamura what the fuck are you doing?

>>159900415

Yeah, I forgot the extent, I just assumed with them being in front of her house he had restraint.

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>>159900469
It seriously makes you wonder just how rushed IC was. At least he fixed most of his fuckups when with the IC+CC release.

>>159900069
When Haruki and Setsuna reconciled in CC they fucked for 48 hours straight.

>>159900683
>Three years' worth of semen made a glopping noise as it flowed endlessly into Setsuna.

>>159900273
No, it actually was when they returned from hot springs.

>>159900827
We even found out that the real reason Haruki started avoiding Setsuna during those 3 years was that whenever he met her he would go home that night and masturbate to her and feel like shit afterwards.

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>>159900869

Ah yeah, you're right. It's in the anime but nowhere near as heavy. (decent kiss though)

Meanwhile...

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>>159900939
Too much information!

I could never finish Chiaki's route and the uwaki route in WA2... I just can't.

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Anyone else really like Haruki's confrontation with Kazusa on the streets?

>>159904324
How can you not?

>>159904324
Best scene of the adaptation.

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>>159904762

Indeed, it's just so fucking raw.

>>159904901

It's really fucking good, but I dunno what I prefer over this or their reconciliation they have before they finally consummate their love. (and that scene in itself was great)

>>159904324
When After All starts playing man, just kill me

>>159905713

Yeah, when Kazusa just finally lets all the repressed emotions flow. And I like when she realizes Haruki is probably a good kisser because he had a lot of 'practice' doing ut with Setsuna, which snaps her out of it.

>>159886894
One does not simply go harem route. You would need some kind of accidental drunken orgy to break the ice.

White Album 2 just puts a hole in my heart every time i think about it.

I been stuck in a rut from months after finishing it.

>>159909172
Tell me about it. Although my coping mechanism was to learn powder snow on piano.

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>>159886053

>>159909628
Mine was studying Japanese in hopes of one day reading the game. (Although >>159909172 might be talking about the game, in which case, welp.)

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So cute

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>>159912350

>>159912350
u mean haruki

>>159912377
Stay jelly Kazusa.

>>159904063
I couldn't either but maybe not for the same reasons as you. I just didn't really give a crap about the story. I only stopped to watch the Setsuna break up scene.

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>>159912691

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>>159912377

>>159914557

It's a metaphor!

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Only reason I care about this game.

>>159868497
> If he didn't love Setsuna he wouldn't beat up his best friend Tomochika in the 3 years between IC and CC for confessing to Setsuna (see the digital novel The idol who forgot how to sing).

This is what I always said but for some reason people just wanted to ignore this fact to justify their argument that Haruki never really loved Setsuna, whether it's in her route or not.

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>>159914719

Do they shag shortly after this?

>>159914777
Yes, later on he sodomizes her.

>>159866007
>>159866163
>>159864192
muh nigga, really underated VN and Anime, so strong story and AMAZING OST.

PS Touka best girl

>>159914898

You make it sound so shameful.

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Adult Setsuna is so goddamn UNF

>>159917937
Haruki bang this 48 hours

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>Captcha: HOTEL JISAN

>>159864192
Should have made a harem route where MC keeps both of them.

>>159920787
They're moved by love, not lust.

>>159921989
Dat masturbathon tho

>>159923366
That's the aspect of love. He spent the night on hot springs with two girls, one of which he really loves but can't be with.

>>159917937
>>159917937

How is that even possible?

>>159923713
How is what possible?

>>159923763

To have sex for 2 days straight, what about his refractory period?

>>159923795
I exaggerated. Of course they didn't have sex non stop but they locked themselves in his room for 2 days and had lots of sex and cuddling to make up for 3 years of pent up sexual frustration and guilt.

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>nearly missed a WA2 thread
Obligatory pillowtalk CD rankings:
Mari >= Kazusa > Setsuna >= Koharu >>> Chiaki.
Discuss.


http://www.mediafire.com/download/dcy082rfy3oqub4/wa2pt.zip
Passowrd: pomf

>It doesn't look like people know this, but the novelization of WA2 has Haruki choosing Kazusa.
>And actually it's pretty great, it starts following Setsuna's route, then it switches to Kazusa normal and finally ends with Kazusa true.
>There's a scene at the end that shows Setsuna getting married to Haruki, and Kazusa is there, and everyone is happy(like in her true end), but it ends up being Setsuna's dream, it's awesome, like the author telling you how impossible Setsuna's route in the game is.
>If they ever make more WA2 anime, they should follow the novels script.
>Maruto also went after Setsunafags in the afterword by confirming that Haruki and Kazusa are quite happy as a couple in Kazusa's true end and weren't depressed about what they had to do in order to be together.

>>159924671
Was it actually written by Maruto or some side author?

>>159924671
Also, is it downloadable anywhere?

>>159924872
WHITE ALBUM2 雪が紡ぐ旋律, author is Tsukishima Masaya, published by GA Bunko, it looks like. The afterword was by Maruto apparently, though.
Not sure if it's downloadable, but jp amazon has it along with Kindle versions.

Also:
>WHITE ALBUM2 4 コミックス
Manga adaptation or spinoff, I wonder.

>>159924872
It was written by someone else under Maruto's direction, though some parts are written by Maruto himself, there are 6 books and you can get download them from a bunch of sites, you can also get them for Kindle, they're super cheap.

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>>159925101
never mind, it's a mango

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>>159925368

>>159924671
>like the author telling you how impossible Setsuna's route in the game is.
You can believe whatever you want. You're a Kazusafag so you're inclined to delude yourself into thinking a functional adult would choose scorched earth over pure bliss especially when he loves both girls almost equally.

>quite happy as a couple in Kazusa's true end and weren't depressed about what they had to do in order to be together.
When the ending of Kazusa's route explicitly tells you Kazusa still wakes up in the middle of the night from nightmares I'm going to call bullshit on that.

>>159925472
>幸せの向こう側
>not scorched earth
Pick one.

>>159925472
>When the ending of Kazusa's route explicitly tells you Kazusa still wakes up in the middle of the night from nightmares I'm going to call bullshit on that.
Go listen to Mini CD Drama.

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>>159925787

>>159925787
So the other side of happiness is what? Being miserable? Thanks for proving my point. I don't care how happy they sound in whatever drama cd you can think of. The fact is they have to carry the weight of destroying the lives of multiple people for the rest of their lives. Now you want to tell me Setsuna's route is impossible when all you have to do to achieve it is remain loyal to her? That's harder and more unrealistic than burning all your bridges just to pursue an old flame from 5 years ago? Kazusa's route is the most unrealistic of them all because no logical adult would ever take such actions.

>>159925979

Love isn't slways logical, jesus christ.

>>159925979
>> I don't care how happy they sound in whatever drama cd you can think of.
>Ignoring canon material
Wew lad.
Oh, and
>Kitahara
>functional, logical adult
Let me laugh even harder.

>>159926052
I'm not the one who brought impossibility into the discussion. My biggest grief is the guy above claiming Setsuna's route is somehow more impossible than Kazusa's route.

>>159926070
Canon material tells you they are happy yes. Does it tell you they got over their guilt?

>>159926070
Also, that choice
>Because I don't want to lie to you anymore
>I still love Setsuna
Implications implied. :^)

On another note I wish the archive kept those threads where someone dumped partial translations of Coda and the additional sections of uwaki.

>>159926145
What exactly are you looking for?

>>159925979

Maybe Setsuna should have fucking backed off instead of swooping in after seeing Kazusa fail to express how she felt?

Setsuna, by her own admission 'forced her way in, between two people she knew loved each other, she also knew Haruki is too kind to turn her down when she asked him out. So instead of helping to bring her two besties together, she only thought of herself.

But you can't fuck with true love, and it was inevitable Haruki and Kasusa would sooner or later admit their feelings, Setsuna knew she was on borrowed time.

>>159926180
Threads where someone tl'ed the uwaki add-on with Setsuna and Kazusa wailing on each other on the phone while After All plays and the subsequent threads. Threads like these:
>>139500090

>>159925979
>>So the other side of happiness is what? Being miserable?
>When asked about the subtitle, Maruto answered:
>"In love, when you make someone happy, there will often be also people who will not be happy as a result"
>The theme Happiness (shiawase) and the opposite side of happiness (shiawase no mukogawa) is the theme of the game."
>>The fact is they have to carry the weight of destroying the lives of multiple people for the rest of their lives.
>Maruto only said it because some people thought Haruki and Kazusa were spending every moment of their lives together being depressed about what they had done.

>>159926186
How is it wrong for Setsuna to fight for what she wants? Haruki was up for grabs before anyone moved in on him. Kazusa being a socially inept splerg is on her alone. Setsuna fought for her love and Haruki reciprocated. Borrowed time my ass. You anime only faggots think you know shit when all you have is 20% of the whole story. If you actually read the VN you would know Haruki actually falls for Setsuna else he wouldn't have done any of the shit he did in CC to win her back.

>>159926267
Just go watch the extra episode on https://www.bilibili.com/video/av451747/?from=search&seid=2555102615604638111

If anything the dialogue in Kazusa's true route makes it sound like Haruki only chose Kazusa out of pity. She's so useless that he doesn't think she can survive without him now that her mother is going to die from leukemia. He also knows Setsuna is surrounded by friends and family who love her and that she is extremely strong emotionally and will eventually bounce back.

>>159926328
Thanks.
And, more reposts from >>99357534:
>these all the hints that Kazusa is the true ending of the WA2 as a whole, althought it's pretty clear if you play the game:
>WA1 subtitle is: Tsuzurareru Fuyu no Omoide( feelings of winter put together)
>Kazusa's theme in WA2 is After All-Tsuzurareru no Omoide-(after all, feelings put together)
>the title of the PS3 and PSP versions: "White Album2-Shiawase no Mukogawa" The other side of happiness)
>When asked about the subtitle, Maruto answered:
>"In love, when you make someone happy, there will often be also people who will not be happy as a result"
>The theme Happiness (shiawase) and the opposite side of happiness (shiawase no mukogawa) is the theme of the game."
>This theme is only followed in Kazusa's route, since Haruki and kazusa sacrifice other people's happines in exchange for their own happiness.
>the last scene in Kazusa's coda has Powder Snow, WA1 true ending song.
>the credits song in Kazusa's coda is "Closing" the song is about Kazusa's and haruki's feeling finally being resolved, that ending credits is the only one with the White Album2 and Coda logos.

>>159926474
And from >>106934766:
She actually moves on the true Kazusa route, though maruto said that he was originally planing to make her suicide, but they (leaf) didn't let he do it.

I don't have a problem with Kazusafags who think Kazusa's route is the actual "true" route because of course that's what they think, they're Kazusafags. What I do have a problem with is:

1) People who think Setsuna shouldn't have gotten between the two. What else was she supposed to do? Suffer in silence? All's fucking fair in love and war.

2) People who think Haruki never really loved Setsuna even during Coda. This completely ignores events like Haruki punching Tomochika in The Idol who forgot how to sing because he confessed to Setsuna or all the efforts he went through in CC to reconcile with Setsuna and might I remind you, he KNEW Kazusa was holding a concert in town at the time. Sure it was a troll choice but if he really was that dedicated to Kazusa and doesn't at all love Setsuna you think he wouldn't have dropped everything and met Kazusa? Finally there's >>159871290 (Kazusa is tied for being the person I love the most in the world. This is said in the uwaki route)

>>159926669
>All's fucking fair in love and war.
"Bros before hoes" applies even when gender-flipped.

>>159926669
What I'm trying to say is yes, he never forgot about Kazusa after all those years and he still loves her. But he equally loves Setsuna. His love for Setsuna only developed after she confessed to him. Kazusa may have been his first love but it sure as hell wasn't his only one. The biggest conflict Haruki has to face in coda isn't which girl he actually loves because he makes it abundantly clear in all 3 routes, he loves both girls. The choice he has to make is which girl he loves more/ which girl he thinks can move on without him the easiest and unfortunately the latter always points to Kazusa needing him more than Setsuna.

>>159926669
As Kazusafag, I won't argue with this, because it's true.

>>159926799
Both are legit sayings. It's simply your values vs mine. If you and I are best friends and you're being a pussy about it, constantly denying your feelings in front of everyone then why the hell should I sacrifice my happiness for yours? If anything Setsuna is far too nice of a person for feeling guilty about it after all those years when she did absolutely nothing wrong.

>>159926646
what the fuck

>>159926889
>Both are legit sayings.
But "Bros before hoes" takes priority, hence "花より男子".
>constantly denying your feelings in front of everyone then why the hell should I sacrifice my happiness for yours?
But Touma did make the first move. A move flavored with sweets on the lips.
>It's simply your values vs mine
And thus, we are at an impasse.

>>159926669
But, at the same time, Setsunafags saying that Haruki chose Kazusa out of pity are also wrong and they know it.

>>159926991
>"Bros before hoes" takes priority
Oh I'm sorry, I must have missed the idioms priority system class in high school.

>>159926991
>But Touma did make the first move
Yeah, in complete secrecy. She didn't have the balls to fight fair with Setsuna so Setsuna responded in turn.