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One of the best (and best-selling; sometimes quality and commerce actually manage to intersect) anime series of the decade, cancelled due to ineptitude and laziness. How was this allowed?
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Wasn't there a movie trailer that came out recently? Also usurper a shit.
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>>159831280
I still rewatch the movies every October Three. I think they're great because none of the girls deserved their fate. Rebellion never happened and is not canon[\spoiler]
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The fuck are you talking about
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>>159831280
>cancelled due to ineptitude and laziness.

Urobuchi never wanted to continue the series past the TV show, he's like Tomino-sempai hates doing sequels.
He's slowing the production way down now.
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>>159831397
Yes.
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>>159831280
>One of the best
It's a 5/10 you fucking pleb.
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>>159832842
It is concept trailer.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpPjHN8Jhoc
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>>159833251
>baaaaaaaaawwww stop liking thing and giving it score it deserves
why bother living with such shit taste?
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>>159831280
HomuSaya
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>>159834110
Is anyone actually excited for the mobage?

At this point it's only serves to delay the fourth movie.
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>>159834110
What is this?
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>>159832413
And he was right. Rebellion was a lot of fun, but was completely unnecessary and uncalled for. Madoka would have remained as one of the landmarks of anime history if it had stayed where the TV show ended. Of course all industries are businesses and they continued milking it, so now it's less than what it originally was. Just like Evangelion.
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>>159834270
I probably don't look at rebellion the same people do. The TV series wrapped things very well, I thought. So any sequel will only ruin that perfect finish. The best thing to do is actually make the sequel about ruining the ending, which is what Homura's done.
Stories can't be ruined but they can stagnate which is worse than changing them, Rebellion didn't choose to tread water, but pulled the series in an opposite direction while stomping on the ending and making an elaborate scene of it, this is the best course of action because it will give sequels more room to explore other elements.

The sequels to come will give people the satisfaction they want by seeing Homura get bullied and put in her place, but for that to work, Rebellion was necessary. A necessary evil.

When you reverse engineer Rebellion, it's pretty clever in its design. But most people don't put themselves in the shoes of the creators and just shout "good" or "bad" from their narrow perspective so they miss a lot.
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>>159833251
Try 4/10.
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>>159834270
>>159834655
Thats why sometimes i think im the only one here that liked rebelion.
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>>159835754
Plenty of people liked Rebellion. It pretty much split the fanbase right in the middle.
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You're right that Rebellion wasn't necessary, but it wasn't bad. The series ended with just the right amount of crazy and Rebellion is a reasonable continuation, if what Homura was telling Quebey was true then they would have tested the theory if it really was a better method of gathering energy to prevent the heat death of the universe.

The only thing that was pretty much out of nowhere was the whole "Love has more power than despair" thing that transformed Homura's crystal. That felt more like a cheap out. And the ending just begged for Madoka to somehow regain her power again and them both to end up godlike.
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>>159836000
>The only thing that was pretty much out of nowhere was the whole "Love has more power than despair" thing that transformed Homura's crystal.

It makes sense, Homura was so lovesick she became a witch and instead of hope it was her extreme love for Madoka that gave her power.
Thematically it works. The series was about the juxtaposition of Hope and Despair. Now we have Love and Hate.
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>>159834675
Agreed. Definitely below average.
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>>159836000
AI YO wasn't "love" it was autism.
>this emotion is mine alone
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>>159836266
Perhaps she meant it was hers alone from a magical girl point of view.
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>>159836329
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>>159836329
So then madoka will hate homura.
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>>159836483
I hope not.
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>>159836729
Do you like Madoka?
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>>159831280
Reminder Kyubey is a racial enemy.
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>>159836729
Do you like Madoka?
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>>159836729
Do you love Madoka?
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Homura doesn't deserve madoka's love or her pussy. She could have lezzed it up in yuri heaven forever but chose to fuck with the whole universe instead.
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>>159836913
I like all the megucas.
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>>159836967
Why don't you hate the cheesy moron?
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>>159836967
>Kyouko
>at the library
Impossible!
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>>159836967
You even like bebe? She had no time.
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>>159836967
Why do you like the loli?
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>>159837027
Which one?
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>>159837053
She's not illiterate or dumb anon.
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>>159837169
I don't get it. The cheesy moron is cheese.
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>>159833251

You probably like Fateshit.
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>>159837227
[citation needed]
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>cancelled
I'm lost. Can someone fill me in?
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>>159837291
(You)!
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>>159837229
Shit ur rite
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>>159837326
You're shit, right?
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Bebe has potential. It is why I don't dislike her. Also, Kyouko speaks very little english.
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>>159837362
You always underestimate Kyouko.
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>>159837381
Yeah, Apple hate Japanese people.
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>>159837317
thanks
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>>159837413
*hates
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>>159837416
You're welcome.
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>>159837381
>Oh my god
>Sayaka is very foolish
>Thank you
There is no underestimating. Unless kyoko starts speaking full on english she only knows little.
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Is Kyoubro still around?
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>>159837362
None of them speak anything that isn't Japanese.
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>>159837540
>foolish
Also, Apple is a racist.
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>>159833251
I'd be more generous, though I agree this must be OPs first day
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>>159831280
But it didn't get cancelled though.
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>>159837540
I would love to listen to Kyouko talk in english for a full day. It would be cute watching her go engrish all day.

>>159837558
He left long ago.
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>>159837633
If kyoko is japanese. That means you are not racist. Don't mind me. Just picking apart a lie from Lawnchair.
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>>159837633
>I would love to listen to Kyouko talk in english for a full day.
You're very foolish!
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>>159837633
Well then get Kyoubro back for fuck's sake. I made a promise three years ago to tell him how a date went and it's fucking impossible to get a hold of him
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>>159837633
>appuru isu veri foorishu
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Why does /a/ miss the lawnchair? I love you guys.
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>>159837359
Correct
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>>159837808
Who?
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>>159837821
I wanna collect you, if you know what I mean!

>>159837848
Your favorite chair!
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>>159837914
I don't have lawnchairs. Only table and desk chairs. This lawnchair you speak of is probably some loser tirelessly stalking someone.
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>>159837914
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>>159837966
You can't go to Comiket in winter.
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>>159838037
LOL
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I kind of miss Kevin-kun lads.
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>>159838209
He's here every now and again.
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>>159838209
I imagine Apple-chan is miserable without him.
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>>159838209
>>159838271
>>159838312
see http://desuarchive.org/a/thread/158570297/#158586185
>MadoSaya
>naturally
Kapplin is over! NTR
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>>159831280
Buuuut... It didn't..?

http://kissanime.ru/Anime/Mahou-Shoujo-Madoka-Magica-Concept-Movie/Episode?id=130454
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What do you think of the character songs?
>http://www.madoka-magica.com/cd/
>[Other character songs]
>"naturally" Madoka Kaname (CV Aoi Yuki) & Sayaka Miki (CV Eri Kitamura)
>"My dream has come true!"(*) Madoka Kaname (CV Aoi Yuki)
>"Mebius Ash" Homura Akemi (CV Chiwa Saito)
>"The sound of dreams" Madoka Kaname (CV Aoi Yuki) & Homura Akemi (CV Chiwa Saito)
>"stairs" Mami Tomoe (CV Kaori Mizuhashi) & Kyoko Sakura (CV Ai Nonaka)
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>>159834238
japanese fans it seems
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>>159838418
>http://www.madoka-magica.com/news/
>【他 キャラクターソング】
>「naturally」:鹿目まどか(CV:悠木 碧)&美樹さやか(CV:喜多村英梨)
>「あこがれ咲いた」(*):鹿目まどか(CV:悠木 碧) 
>「Mebius Ash」:暁美ほむら(CV:斎藤千和) 
>「ユメおと」:鹿目まどか(CV:悠木 碧)&暁美ほむら(CV:斎藤千和)
>「stairs」:巴マミ(CV:水橋かおり)&佐倉杏子(CV:野中藍)
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>>159838456
They're excited but they're worried it will suck without the butcher writing.
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meme meguca confirmed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpPjHN8Jhoc
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>>159838595
memeguca
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>>159838595
>garbage
>smartphone game
>stupid billing system
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>>159838532
Very valid concern desu. I don't want another s2 of Psycho-Pass.
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Good night, everyone!
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>>159838695
yes and it will feed madoka doujins for several years from now on

just like how FGO has taken over all Fate doujins
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>that I can touch inside of your soul gem
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I would have been okay with the ending had Rebellion didn't exist, but now that they gone and made Rebellion it's a travesty that they don't give the franchise a proper conclusion. Rebellion wasn't shit, the problem is it doesn't feel like "an end"
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>>159838312
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>>159839127
How cute.
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tell me the story of this show in one sentence
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>>159839686
Grimdark Magical Girls.
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>>159839686
A time traveling lesbian constantly travels back in time in order to save her straight friend she has an unhealthy obsession with only to fail over and over again until the last time, in which her straight friend becomes Space Magical Girl Jesus and literally becomes a new Law of Physics.
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>>159834110
Is there a dailymotion link or something?, the video is reglocked.
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>>159839820
>madoka is straight
Prove it.
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>>159839975
You know you don't want me to. You know I could if I wanted.
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>>159840011
Do it. Seriously. Prove the Yurifags wrong if you can.
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>>159840059
Do you require Madoka asking a boy out, do you need Madoka rejecting Homura's advances, or do you need something more subtle?
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>>159839975
>>159840059
There's no proof. Same as it's debatable she sees Homura romantically.
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>>159839686
A heartwarming magical girl anime about the power of friendship between two girls.
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>>159839975
Madoka talked about wanting love letters from boys in episode fucking one.
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>>159832413
It's not like the movies were bad, but they were unnecessary.
Plus they've turned what was essentially a closed ending into an open one just for marketing.
I guess if you didn't like the original ending you could watch the movies but if you were fine with that then you'd better off give them the tsukihime anime treatment.
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>>159840690
That doesn't mean she can't like girls too, anon.
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>>159840690
I'm surprised she didn't get any. Homura must have been stealing them before they could get to her.
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>>159838928
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>>159841156
Girls can't love girls.
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>>159831280
The things I would do to Sayaka's armpits.
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>>159841791
Like put deodorant on them?
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>>159841156
>give me proof she's straight
>she wants love letter from boys
>she can like girls too!
This is impossible
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>>159839966
realy? anyone? a webm or something?
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>>159831280
Good. Rebellion was a solid ending that brought things full circle and wrapped up the major dangling issue going through the whole original series. There's no need for anything else in the main series at all, so it'd be likely just to degrade things from here on out. Successful series SHOULD STOP, not do the amerilard bullshit of trying to drive the same thing into the ground forever.

I wouldn't mind if they wanted to try mining the history I guess, do some tales of magical girls far back in the past (though there'd be the pathos of zero truly happy endings of course, at least short term). But sequels would almost certainly be a bad idea.
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>>159841156
>replying to trolls/delusionals
It's pointless, you're making the exact mistake normals do vs crazy goggle yurifags in other anime. Madoka could literally fuck Homura on screen and they would STILL desperately claim she was straight and that it was all due to some trick or something.
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>>159842728
>Rebellion was a solid ending that brought things full circle and wrapped up the major dangling issue going through the whole original series.
>this is what homufags actually believe
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>>159842845
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>>159842909
>homuhaters so desperate and delusional they can't even acknowledge basic, obviously spelled out plot points
Shouganai.
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>>159842728
yeeahhh. NO.

rebellion is NOT an ending, in case you watched another movie, everything is gone to hell, it MIGHT not look like it, but if madokami's world was wrong on principle, Homu's world is even worse.

a goddess was imprisoned, the ones capable to fight back had their minds wiped, its obvious the world is gonna end soon, and neither madoka or homu were actually able to finally get closure on their stories and relationship.

Rebellion NEEDS a sequel, but right now SHAFT is Mono their gataries like theres no tomorrow,

and about theres no need for anything else in the main series? you are actually right, the main series ending was the actually perfect one and the point where they should have stopped, NOT rebellion.

if i were given to choose between expanding the series after the ending or leave it be, i would certainly gone for the latter, but we have rebellion now, and the series is now gone to shit.
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>>159843155
>yeeahhh. NO.
>highschool level analysis
>>>/reddit/
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>>159843059
Rebellion's ending was sequel baiting. You can't turn the series on it's head and call it a conclusive ending. It just opened things up and left more questions. A conclusive ending would be Homura going with Madoka.
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>>159843155
Homura's wish was to be able to become strong enough to save Madoka. The whole of the PMMM main series is fundamentally driven by that. Every single other magical girl in the series gets their wish granted (Madoka of course gets lots and lots of wishes granted, starting with saving a cat, and the non-magical wish she imposed upon Homura herself). That's the deal, they give up their souls and commit to a fate of endless fighting against entropy with a certain dead end (at best), but they get that one wish. In the series, Homura does not get her wish granted. Her efforts and determination finally create the circumstances and potential such that Madoka can use her last wish to reality hack, and then she creates a placeholder situation for original Homura to be inserted into, but original Homura was never able to gain the power to save her.

Rebellion does bring it full circle, Homura does finally succeed in pushing through the impossible and finds a way to gain the power to save Madoka as a human and give her a full human life. It's the end of the core series wish. No other magical girl (and definitely not ones like Sayaka most of all) has the right to criticize her for that, and she had at least equal hand in the reality at the end of the series as Madoka did. Rebellion makes that equality a fact of reality with two halves. It then leaves things no longer driven by wishes but up to the girls, which is a solid ending.

Your other stuff is BS:
>goddess was imprisoned
No, Homura took Madoka's "human records". The "LotC" could still be out there operating on its own.
>its obvious the world is gonna end soon
"Obvious" aka your own headcanon. In no way is that obvious. Homura could perfectly well just let Madoka live a full human live, "pass away" naturally, then reunite and that's that.
>closure
They got it, as I said. Homura got her magical wish, and Madoka got HER non-magical wish to Homura too.
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>>159836967
Mami always looks alone inside, even in happy group shots. What is her problem?
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>>159843389
>Rebellion's ending was sequel baiting.
Are you fucking serious? The original series end, now THAT was sequel bait. Everything is a suddenly a mysterious wasteland? Sometime in the future? How long? Homura all by herself, why? She suddenly gains some mysterious new super power that looks like some sort of manipulated corruption? She never saved Madoka despite that being her wish?

THAT is your standard for an ending?

>You can't turn the series on it's head and call it a conclusive ending.
It didn't turn anything on its head. Original was open and crazy full of questions.

>It just opened things up and left more questions.
No, it left less, or at worst no more then the original.

>A conclusive ending would be Homura going with Madoka.
Sort of. That could kind of conclude things for the main characters if they all died and went to Mahou Valhalla, but it'd be mediocre too and in a show like this with magic h4x "conclusive" is a bit of a red herring, there is always the option for more if the producers wanted. All you can really ask is that arcs get wrapped up and Rebellion did that.
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5b96it

since no one else linked it
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>>159844240
she didn't have anyone of her own after the thing with kyouko broke off, at least until they gave her a loli cheese
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commencing ack summoning
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>>159831280
Wasn't Rebellion bad enough already? Do you want them to ruin this series even more?
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>>159842728
Kill yourself, homushitter.
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>>159841958
Why don't you go out with Kevin? Kapplin would go hand in hand with KyouSaya.
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>>159844038
>>159844595
Pure bullshit
>The "LotC" could still be out there operating on its own.
It isn't. Madoka's wish was to save witches "With [her] own hands." This means by taking Madoka out of the LOC, it doesn't work. Guess what Homura did?
>"Obvious" aka your own headcanon.
The universe is within Homura's "witch" barrier, Madoka was about to awaken the very first day, some things are really strange (the 90 degree angle cliff and the moon). It won't last long.
>They got it, as I said. Homura got her magical wish, and Madoka got HER non-magical wish to Homura too.
Madoka got her wish taken away, plain and simple. Homura simply cannot comprehend why Madoka would find being the LOC satisfying. There is no closure, the series was turned on its head and just ended.
>It didn't turn anything on its head. Original was open and crazy full of questions.
Fucking retard. It upended the status quo of the series and just ended right there.
>Everything is a suddenly a mysterious wasteland? Sometime in the future? How long? Homura all by herself, why?
All you needed to know was that Homura was fighting on her own and she was about to despair. Nothing more.
>No, it left less, or at worst no more then the original.
Rebellion was a shitshow.
Does the LOC even work? (probably not)
Sayaka still has an inkling on who Homura really is. Is she going to hunt her down?
Homura's hold on Madoka is tenuous. Will Madoka try to reawaken again?
What's the deal with the Incubators?
Why is the landscape so strange?
The universe is now inside Homura's witch barrier. What does this mean for reality?
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>>159844932
The tears of you defeated dogs are always hilarious. No arguments, just impotent rage at the canon destruction of your imaginary fanon.
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>>159832842
What the fuck is this shit
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>>159845074
>implying that animated fanfiction is canon
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>>159845227
Why don't you just ignore Homufags and disregard Rebellion instead of giving both of them more attention than they deserve?
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>>159844621
>Oh, a new Madoka transformation sequence!
>Wait that's the new girl.
At a glance, she looks like if Madoka cut her bangs and let her hair down.
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>>159844621
thanks man.

Seriously, why Aniplex is so hellbent in not letting people outside japan watch this?Americans are gonna spend money too.

Seeing this makes me worry that the game will be Reglocked like DQstars.
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>>159845057
>It isn't.
Not shown in Rebellion. Homura says she only took a part, and the movie directly shows them being split, not LotC being transformed or something. It's objectively still out there. Whether it's running on its own or in stasis is simply unanswered. This was fucking animated you retard.

>The universe is within Homura's "witch" barrier
Homura isn't a witch, she is now at an equal level with Madokami. She rewrote the universe, it's not in a barrier. This too is directly stated and shown, for fucks sake. "This is your first time seeing this [in memory] but it's the second for me."

>Madoka got her wish taken away, plain and simple.
No, Madoka wished to Homura to save her human self before forcing Homura to Emperor's Mercy her. Whether Madoka got one of her MANY magical wishes so much as altered is an open question.

>Homura simply cannot comprehend why Madoka would find being the LOC satisfying.
Wrong, Homura just doesn't care about Madoka's self sacrificing way for others to the extent of being willing to let Madoka give up having a normal happy life as an individual human, nor should she be expected to. Madoka's LOC was built upon Homura's wish to save her and subsequent effort, suffering and determination.

>There is no closure, the series was turned on its head and just ended.
Wrong, original was the one with no closure. Now they go forward as equals unbounded by lingering wishes.

>All you needed to know was that Homura was fighting on her own and she was about to despair. Nothing more.
Pure headcanon speculation on your part.

>Rebellion was a shitshow.
It was glorious, you're just retarded and mad your headcanon was countered by something better.
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>>159845315
not him, but, it is REALLY hard to ignore rebellion's existence, after all, it was advertised as the series true ending.

and certainly what it happened is not an ending at all.
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>>159845227
>literal canon is not canon because my fanfiction!
Homuhaters folks.
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havent been here like a year lads
is homuhater still around?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tBiuzjPb-8
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>>159845494
It was advertised as such and didn't deliver, so it has no merit.
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>>159845532
Homuhater is dead
A*K and Crackposter are still alive
Tripfags are still here. L*wnchair is cancer.
Threads are still shit
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>people still reply to that one homutard who defends Rebellion
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>>159845575
im pretty sure thats what i said:

>Rebellion was advertised as the true series ending.
>Rebellion WASN'T an ending
>Therefore it sucks and deserves hate.
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>>159845494
>it was advertised as the series true ending.
It is the series' true ending. That said:

>not him, but, it is REALLY hard to ignore rebellion's existence
Are you new to anime? Because it's actually not hard at all: just accept that you prefer a fanfiction ending, and decide to ignore what came after. Simple as that. You're only pathetic if try to claim that the reality of what the creators/producers wanted somehow doesn't exist, but there's nothing inconsistent with "I just don't like where they ultimately took it and I'm going to invest my time in fanfiction/doujins/discussion that takes a fan made AU path instead." It's fiction, there's nothing wrong with that, it's been going on forever.
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>>159845651
>rabid homuhaters still deny reality and how good Rebellion was
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>>159845673
>just accept that you prefer a fanfiction ending
>the original series is now fanfiction

How can people still take homufags seriously?
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>>159845673
actually i dont prefer a fanfic ending.

i liked the original ending.

>Madoka becomes god
>the girls have peace
>Homu accepts life and moves on
>the incubators arent assholes anymore (or at least are less assholes)

im not asking for anything else.
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>>159845651
It's no use, anon. They will always take the bait.
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>>159845414
guess i should take that back, thought it was the new PV...
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>>159845532
Someone has a screenshot of him ragequitting Madoka threads due to all the Homulove.
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>>159846086
Found the new PV on nico
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm31567160
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>>159845812
>homuhaters have brain problems
No surprise there. The original is still there, but in canon so is Rebellion which came after, and Rebellion shows the canon ending of the original. That's how reality is anon.

>>159845852
>i liked the original ending.
Well, that's your choice. It's just not canon, Rebellion is. Though FWIW:
>the girls have peace
Sort of? They're still fighting desperately until they die, they just don't curse anyone after. There are still instantiations of entropy or cursing, they're wraiths now instead of witches, but the world is still an often nasty place. Magical girls probably still fight each other sometimes, regular humans probably still die in cross fire/due to wraiths sometimes. Don't put on rose colored glasses too hard, Madokami made things BETTER but it's not the kind of series where there is some utopia thing.

>Homu accepts life and moves on
This would be completely contrary to her character and everything she ever fought for, and that really is your own imaginary fanfiction anon, it never shows her "moving on", just fighting on. At best you could imagine her accepting life overall while waiting until she can die in battle.

>the incubators arent assholes anymore (or at least are less assholes)
The incubators were never assholes. They were just alien. They didn't change, the circumstances did. Their directive is the same, and they can be expected to act on it were they ever given the opportunity because they've got a hole in their programming logic due to the nature of their creators.
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>>159846099
>Someone has a screenshot of him ragequitting Madoka threads due to all the Homulove.
I highly doubt he can bring himself to stay away entirely, those people can almost never resist the urge to drop in from time to time, say their piece then huff off. It does seem to be less frequent though then the old dumpster fires.
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>>159846201
>This would be completely contrary to her character and everything she ever fought for

>wants to protect Madoka from her tragic fate
>Madoka is protected and alive in the original ending

Nah, you're just mad that the original ending didn't make your MadoHomu fantasies come true and cling onto Rebellion because at least it gave you some hope of that happening.
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>>159846503
>>Madoka is protected and alive in the original ending
But that's fucking wrong, you dipshit.
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>>159846264
No, I think he did quit altogether. When you read his homuhating posts they had this falre in them. After that day me and a couple others drove the final stake in his heart we ended up with neohomuhater who was just annoying. True homuhater was fun.
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>>159846562
It's "wrong" according to Rebellion retconning so it could have its shitty sequel story nobody asked for.
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>>159845610
hmm i see
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>>159846562
No it's not.
>Alive, but in another plane of existence
>protected because she's powerful enough to protect herself
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>>159846652
>>159846099
That day felt like it happened yesterday. iirc it was you ,!HOMUivQldE ,and an anonymous poster. Good times.
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>>159831280
>One of the best (and best-selling; sometimes quality and commerce actually manage to intersect) anime series of the decade
I just rewatched Madoka, and it was pretty meh. The whole show relies heavily on shock factor. Good shows become better, when you rewatch them. Madoka on the other hand, falls apart, if you rewatch it, because the shock factor has worn off and all the bad writing is much more noticeable
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>>159846503
>wants to protect Madoka from her tragic fate
Homura specifically wished to become strong enough to protect Madoka. She never got that in the original. Madoka then further wished (not magically obviously) to Homura that she be stopped from ever becoming a magical girl and allowed to live her life without that sacrifice.

>>Madoka is protected and alive in the original ending
The fuck? She was not protected, Homura's efforts merely created the chance for Madoka to make a wish protecting OTHERS at the cost of her own self. She is literally erased from reality and has sacrificed everything of "Madoka" in order to save magical girls as a whole from the fate of despair. And Madoka is totally fine with that tradeoff! It's not like she derives no happiness from it, and the sadness that comes from ceasing to exist even to her own family doesn't change the balance for her. But that's not what Homura wished for.

This is all directly spelled out in the series. Your rage makes you delusional. Case in point:
>didn't make your MadoHomu fantasies come true
This doesn't even make any fucking sense at all. Rebellion makes MadoHomu VASTLY LESS likely, maybe outright impossible, not more. The only real MadoHomu to be expected would be what Rebellion-haters wanted, the original series: Homura fights on as long as she can, living a good life, then is reunited with Madokami and lives in Mahou Valhalla together with her forever. With Rebellion they're now likely to be outright ideological enemies, even if reluctant ones. Madoka sacrificed one for all, Homura valuing one above all.

This too is obvious. Seriously, how hard are you projecting to see Rebellion as good for MadoHomu?
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>>159846797
Here it is.
>3/27/15
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>>159846653
>Madoka erased from reality
>literally the original ending
>retcon
what did neohomuhater mean by this?
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>>159846891
I like the show more every time I watch it. All of the foreshadowing is really nice once you pick up on it.
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>>159846653
>>159846739
Have your (You)s.
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>>159847028
Well she's still alive and she's protected and Madoka's happy with that.
She even comes back to Earth to play with her little brother.
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>>159846983
In all honesty he is likely actually doing something productive with his life.

Let's summon him via homuhater thread
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I think my doke has autism
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>>159847138
What did he mean by this?
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>>159847067
>Well she's still alive
Except she's not.

>and she's protected
Except she's not.

>and Madoka's happy with that.
She was happy with the tradeoff on balance. That doesn't mean she's not very sad about a lot of it too, she's not a monster. She didn't hate her family or friends or city or life or anything, quite the contrary. She just values happiness of others and finds rewards in it over her own in this case.

>She even comes back to Earth to play with her little brother.
Now you're just being silly, there is nothing in the original to show she can even affect the material universe at all. Her brother apparently has some sort of lingering memory reflection, just like her mother (maybe her father too).
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>>159846983
Haha I missed that. Best ragequit I've seen in ages.
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>>159846919
>Homura specifically wished to become strong enough to protect Madoka. She never got that in the original.

Except she did. Her efforts are what ultimately led to Madoka being able to become a goddess in the first place, it fits perfectly with the rest of the wishes that came true, but not exactly the way the girls wanted them to.

>The fuck? She was not protected, Homura's efforts merely created the chance for Madoka to make a wish protecting OTHERS at the cost of her own self.

And, as you said, Madoka is perfectly happy with that. She has the power to protect other magical girls and was free from dying/becoming a witch in the end. Why isn't that a good ending? Because Homura can't find somebody else to have a yuri crush on?
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I don't know why people dislike Rebellion. The fourth movie is going to have so much Homura bullying it will make up for everything she ever did.
I hope you guys like seeing Homura cry for 45 minutes.
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>>159847329
>Except she's not.
She absolutely is. Is she not the one who personally comes down and takes the magical girls to heaven? She still exists, just not in the physical universe.
>but rebellion
She had everything under control (except for Homura). Pay attention.
>That doesn't mean she's not very sad about a lot of it too
I'm sure she was sad to leave her family, but as you just admitted, she was happy with the tradeoff. She finds it satisfying to be somebody who helps people and makes them happy.
>Now you're just being silly, there is nothing in the original to show she can even affect the material universe at all.
Her brother remembers her, he knows what she looks like as a magical girl, and her mother says her brother plays with his "imaginary friend".
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>>159847537
I just want to see Homura slip further into insanity and kill Sayaka, and to see Madoka's reaction. It's inevitable.
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>>159847537
I hope this movie makes Homura the new antagonist and she gets horribly beaten by the other girls in the end.
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>>159847645
It will be like one of those tragedy plays, except with school girls.

>>159847671
They're being very blatant with making her the new villain of the series. She BTFO'd QB and took his place as the main antagonist and she's literally calling herself a demon.

Things are going to end very badly for her.
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>>159847537
Yeah, I wish. We all know it will end with Madoka forgiving the usurper, damn her.
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>>159847671
No bully! Honestly with popular as homura is i don't know if they would make her the typical bad guy. Shes not evil for the sake of being evil, i expect there to be new threat that may force a union of homu and the others. I just want to see her smile.
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>>159847478
>Except she did.
No she didn't. Homura didn't wish to make Madoka a stronger magical girl, wtf anon. Homura explicitly wanted to protect Madoka, and implicitly as a human and her friend, herself with her own power, and that's what she wished for.
>but not exactly the way the girls wanted them to.
This isn't that kind of series. All the wishes came true just as wished for and with no sneaky monkey's paw shit either. Being young girls many of them might have had hopes for other effects from those wishes, or failed to predict completely natural and expected results, but just as often not, they merely regretted not making different one. But every wish we've seen has come true and done so in the way the girl wanted, regardless of what the results ultimately were.

>And, as you said, Madoka is perfectly happy with that
No, not "perfectly happy", "happy on balance". Madoka holds regrets, like all of us do even about many decisions we're ultimately happy about. But the whole point here is that it's not just about what end-series Madoka wanted at all, and never was.
>Why isn't that a good ending?
Because it Homura's wish is just as worthy as anyone else's, and she had just as big a role in making the end result possible. You can admire self-sacrifice if you want but it's never ok to expect it. Furthermore, why should she stop trying to do the impossible NOW anon? Why not aim for a future where all magical girls are still saved AND Madoka gets to live at least one happy normal human life?

Fundamentally this is the real problem with your argument: this is a magical girl universe, even if it's one with harder tradeoffs and prices for miracles. But there are still miracles. What Homura set out to do was impossible by the laws of the universe, Madoka even more so, but they succeeded anyway fighting through despair. Who is to say that Homura couldn't accomplish an even better end with no tradeoffs at all?

>Because Homura can't find
Now you're just being dumb.
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>>159847832
As long as Homura doesn't fuck up any further, Madoka will forgive her and everything will return to normal or a super cheesy ending that makes everyone happy.
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>>159847937
>hatefagging so hard you end up literally raging about Madoka not being the very quality you claim to like in the tv series
It's time to take a break anon.
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>>159847976
i always felt that hitomi could somehow be manipulated maybe even be used by the incubators to be a sort of last effort to dethrone homu. With kyosuke on the line who knows what she would be tempted to do.
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>>159847671
Not a chance. Particularly given canon of the other girls being bad themselves many times. No one holds any moral high ground in any of this thankfully, that shit sucks.

>>159847832
>and she's literally calling herself a demon.
If anything that's a classic symptom of a """villain""" who has a point and ends up with a ok (not necessarily good) end. Like Lelouch or something.
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>>159847645
is that her mouth
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>>159848231
Yes.
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>>159847937
>>159847976
Do you guys not understand the relationship between Homura and Madoka, between the TV series and the movie?
Homura and Madoka are polar opposites, while there are Mahou shojo, Madoka will always chose to sacrifice herself for them, and while Madoka keeps doing this, Homura will always try to save her.
Madoka is Homura's worst enemy. And Homura is Madoka's worst enemy.

They're bound to do this forever. That in itself could be an ending.
Or it could end up with one of them dying, most likely Homura and thus breaking an endless cycle.

It's setting things up for a tragedy, I just hope they commit to the themes they laid out and not chicken out.
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>>159847645
Crazy bitch Homu is the cutest.
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>>159848319
2spooky4me
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>>159847832
Homura calling herself a demon is a symptom of her self-hatred. She knows what she did was wrong and she's deeply afraid of Madoka finding out what she did and hating her for it. In reality, Madoka will forgive Homura as long as she doesn't slip up any further.
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>>159848349
You haven't seen shit yet.
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>>159848374
this, at the end of movie 3 when she she realized mado would eventually be her enemy she even said it was fine as long as madoka stayed happy. If homu was generic evil, she would have shown some sort of anger rather than content.
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>>159831280
I thought there was gonna be another movie?
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>>159848334
>Madoka is Homura's worst enemy. And Homura is Madoka's worst enemy.
No, different ideologies there doesn't make them "worst enemies" or mean hatred. They can both still understand each other even if they disagree.

>It's setting things up for a tragedy, I just hope they commit to the themes they laid out and not chicken out.
You're projecting an edgy ebindark fantasy, not how the series has ever gone. You sound identical to people asking for the same thing when the series was originally running. Madoka has never gone for either extreme, it's not totally dark depressing nor is it perfectly bright happy, but the balance was optimistic. Even in Rebellion that's the case, there is still happiness and positivity in it all.

Given the entire set of PM works up until now I'd be really surprised if it went as a tragedy. Instead I think it'll be gray again and end up with a shift in balance, but with everyone both losing and gaining new things.

>>159848374
>She knows what she did was wrong and she's deeply afraid of Madoka finding out what she did and hating her for it.
lol what. She knows that Madokami won't agree with it, that's all. There's no fear, just resignation, because of course she'll find out someday. At the absolutely "latest" it'd be when human Madoka would "die" of old age surrounded by friends/family, having lived a full normal life and fulfilling Homura's wish.
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>>159848683
There is, but we haven't heard anything about it in nearly two years.
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>>159848683
eventually yes, but we don't know if it will be before or after half life 3
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>>159848683
>>159849025
Have any of the VAs or key producers or anything died in the interim? As long as that happens I suppose it's still possible, though after a long enough hiatus the odds of it being good go down.

It'd be nice if it wasn't a sequel though. Madoverse has so many other interesting areas to explore beyond the MCs of the original, they can just leave that at rebellion.
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>>159849141
>As long as that happens
I meant "as long as that DOESN'T happen" obviously. That's a real risk with very long delays though. Granted if they do something new it won't matter, they can just use new VAs then.
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>>159847955
Just like Sayaka didn't wish for Kyosuke to end up falling in love with Green Mugi, nor did Kyoko wish for her dad to go nuts. Homura wished to become strong enough to protect Madoka, and that's exactly what happened: She became stronger, her time magic allowed Madoka to build up enough karmic power to be able to become a goddess and live in another plane from where she's not only protected from harm, but can also protect others.

For every wish, there was an undesirable side effect that made the girls regret it. Homura's wish was no different, she became strong enough to protect Madoka and achieved what she wished for, but Madoka didn't stay with her. Then Rebellion came along and basically threw this out the window by allowing Homura to hax her way into becoming a demon and undoing what was ultimately the result of her own wish.

Now we have no clue how this new universe Homura created works, because unlike the original series' ending, that wasn't explained for the sake of having another sequel that God knows when will come out, or if it's even coming out.
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>>159849551
>Just like Sayaka didn't wish for Kyosuke to end up falling in love with Green Mugi, nor did Kyoko wish for her dad to go nuts.
Those are in no way related to their wishes whatsoever, they're just the world moving on afterwards naturally. What you're arguing would be like saying "lol Mami wished to be saved but then she was killed years later in battle guess her wish didn't go right". What they actually wished for happened exactly as they wished it and in the way they wanted, there were no "undesirable side effects". Kyosuke didn't have his hand healed but lose all sense of music or whatever. To the extent that we ever saw regret, it was because they didn't actually think the wish through. Sometimes this was due to necessity, like with Mami, who was literally dying at the time and cannot be expected to have thought it all through. Sometimes it was due to immaturity because duh, they're young teen girls. Sometimes they screwed themselves afterwards (Sayaka) with no relation to the wish at all because again, young teen girls.

>For every wish, there was an undesirable side effect that made the girls regret it.
Nope, there was not. That was a core part of the uniqueness of the series, the classic run-into-the-ground trope is "wishes have bad side effects!" but that wasn't the case in PMMM, except in the literal sense of a perfect miracle resulting in a karmic imbalance and thus a curse later. If you follow the side material you will see girls with no regrets. Hell, Madoka herself in the original series end is an example of just this, knowing 100% what she's getting into, the price she'll pay, and having had a superhuman number of chances to think about it and get it right.

>she became strong enough to protect Madoka and achieved what she wished for
SHE WAS LITERALLY SECONDS/MINUTES AWAY FROM DEATH OR DESPAIR SPIRAL. She didn't protect Madoka one bit, Madoka saved her. Again! She didn't get what she wished for in any way. Did you actually watch the show?
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>>159849551
>Then Rebellion came along and basically threw this out the window by allowing Homura to hax her way into becoming a demon and undoing what was ultimately the result of her own wish.
No, Rebellion was Homura herself gaining the power she wished for all along and allowing her to fulfill older-Madoka's wish. It threw nothing out the window.

>Now we have no clue how this new universe Homura created works, because unlike the original series' ending, that wasn't explained for the sake of having another sequel that God knows when will come out, or if it's even coming out.
Lol. The original series did not explain much there and as already stated left an obvious, obvious big fat set of mysteries and hype for a sequel, which people began discussing IMMEDIATELY at that finale. Which you would know if you were actually old enough to have been here when it was airing.
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>>159834158
>baaaaaaaaawwww stop disliking what I like please agreed with me.

Or you could move to Tumblr.
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>>159848835
>No, different ideologies there doesn't make them "worst enemies" or mean hatred. They can both still understand each other even if they disagree.

Enemy doesn't mean someone you hate, but just someone you have to defeat to reach your goal. Even Homura knows this and acknowledges the fact.

>Given the entire set of PM works up until now I'd be really surprised if it went as a tragedy. Instead I think it'll be gray again and end up with a shift in balance, but with everyone both losing and gaining new things.

I think you're misunderstanding what a tragedy is. A classic tragedy is just a dramatic piece about the downfall of the anti-hero. It's hard not to see that they're setting up the sequel for that. Urobuchi even likened Homura's character to that of Anakin, which is the most famous modern example of a tragic hero.

She'll get redeemed and probably die in the sequel or at least get an ending where she's neutralized to a certain extent.
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