>Is a powerful enough mage to be able to summon a servant

>>159829503

Summoning the servant is the grail's job, all the master need to do is sustain it to the material world.

>>159829503
Why would you?

yeah I don't think being a master requires you to be a good mage, just look at Waver

>needing to be powerful to summon a servant
You just have to be a mage, anon. If you're weak you just have to find some way to sustain the mana requirements, or maybe you can sustain them but they can't use their full power without killing you.

Like, the player character of FGO is such a shit mage that they can only provide like half the mana to sustain a servant and other half is provided by Chaldea.

>>159829503
If you need to be a powerful mage to summon a servant, then how was Ryunosuke able to summon Gilles?

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>the most amazing scientific mind of our area
>can't wipe his own ass

can someone explain this to me?

>>159829607
Waver was a good mage though.

>>159830124
he couldn't cast a SINGLE SPELL, how is that a good mage
>inb4 the old couple
remember that it was explained at the end that he didn't even manage to brainwash them, they were just like welp we could do with a kid, let's just roll with it

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>>159829503

It's explained in the manga

>>159830205
Is this done by F/SN manga artist?

>>159830160
Waver's talents aren't in spellcasting, anon. Just because he is shit at actually casting magic does not mean he doesn't have good knowledge.

>>159830263

No, by the Maoyuu Maou Yuusha artist.

>>159830160
If Waver was bad, how come Alexander likes him more than fried circuits

>>159830343
Even Gilgamesh praised him for his loyalty.

>>159830160
Being a good mage is different from being a master though.

>>159829503
In Nasuverse, there are people with LITERAL FUCKING MAGIC POWERS who still manage to be poor.

Check your logic at the door.

>>159830299
aka he's just an average guy who read a lot of books

>>159830633
That still makes him a decent mage. He is dedicating himself to the pursuit of being a mage and improving himself. Just because he doesn't have superhuman DNA and as a result is simply not as good as someone like Rin or Sakura who have dozens of generations of superhumans running through their blood doesn't mean he can't contribute to finding the source or understanding magic better.

>>159829503

She doesn't need her legs to "walk"

How come people in the nasuverse still believe that the holy grail can make their wish come true, after 5 grail wars?

>>159830670
still a shit mage, luvia could one shot him with a gandr curse

>>159830707
I don't think they managed to complete the grail war a single time, there always have been some fuck up

Waver is a winner just by the fact that he got Reines and Taiga on his D

Also he got to hang out with Alexander

>>159830707
Because they've never been told otherwise.

Also in Apocrypha the Grail is still legit, Avenger never got summoned.

>>159829503
Modifying one's body is not something easily done, Zouken had to rely on disgusting WORM MAGIKS to fix his own body and he was still a disgusting looking corpse, and even with that he couldn't fix the faults in his own soul.
The only way she would be able to fix those leg was if she had access to the right sorcery and a source of magic like the holy grail to fuel it.
Magic in the nasuverse is really strict, only sorceries can really do wonders but that's the realms of mythical beings and mary sues.

>>159830775
Couldn't she just apply magic shit like Rin does to make her able to do superhero shit

>>159830707
There's like only 1 single grail war that ended with the victors' wishes granted properly with no Angry Manjew shenanigans.

Its the Fuyuki Grail War in FGO-timeline where Solomon and his master won.

>>159830124
As a mage he is lousy. He is an excellent instructor though.

>>159830343
Alex cares more about the substance and heroic qualities of a person over their inate ability.

I just rewatched both FZ and UBW back-to-back, and I can't stress enough how much better written FZ is.

Why are people defending UBW so much again? There's too much silly shit to take it serious, and a lot of stuff doesn't make sense

>>159830797
What are you talking about ? Sorry my memories of FSN are blurry as fuck.

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>>159830874
I cant stress enough how much of a secondary you are.

>>159830924
Rin applies some magic crest shit to her legs that makes her jump really high and run really fast

>>159829503
she has a penis

>>159830929
I doubt reading 20 hours of Shirou cooking would have improved UBW

>>159830874
Wanna know how we can tell you're underage?

>>159830797
All Rin is doing is casting strengthening magic on herself.

If you strengthen something that is useless then it will still remain useless, like Fiore's legs.

>>159830106
>most overhyped poster "scientist"
ftfy

>>159830936
See >>159830954

>>159830797
Rin's melee uses reinforcement.
Her as Magical Ruby on the other hand relies on Kaleidosticks as mana batteries amping up the above.

>>159830874
This.
Fate Zero was actually good and had plenty of discussion about morality and how it can be twisted by good intentions
UBW on the other was 90% "I am holier than thou!"

>>159829503
Her brother should've been the MC desu

>>159831063
>>159830874
I didn't even enjoy calling samefag on this. Seriously. Stop posting. This is pathetic.

>>159830205
He's got to be the hottest servant ever, also
> horsecock

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>>159831095
Is it too much of a shock for you to know that there are people who hates your fav shit-?

>>159830633
>>159830670
>>159830299
Waver was the most gifted alchemist in centuries.

>>159831137
Secondary please

You don't need to be a powerful mage to summon a servant
>secondaries
Not even once.

>>159831167
really? source?
Case files I guess?
Waver would fit in well with Atlas though, They have shit level circuits but they still seem to do fine since they made weapons to destroy the world.

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>>159831167
"no"

Why do they still pretend keeping your servant's identity secret matters? Every time half the servants get found out after a single fight and the other half get defeated with no one even thinking about who they were and no servant specific counters are ever used.

>>159830874
>secondaries thinking their shitty opinions mean jack shit

>>159831209
Probably because for some servants their identity gives away their weaknesses.

If you have Achilles as your servant you definitely don't want people to know that he's Achilles.

>>159830874
you're not supposed to watch UBW you're supposed to read the VN

All three routes in FSN have far too much context and inner thoughts that are not seen in the anime. You're losing out on like half the content.

>>159831209
>knowing what the enemy servant can do doesn't matter

>>159831209
Because the subjective strength of a servant is irrelevant, what really matter is their hax and how you can counter it.
That's why despite having huge stats a berserker servant is often the shittiest one to get, having max stats doesn't mean jack shit when Lancer just walks on you and uses the power of FUCK YOU to kill you in one shot and you were too dumb to think on how to evade it.

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>>159831071
generic beta anime Megane-kun, go back to >>>/m/ desu

>>159831209
better to be safe than sorry, and in the case of servants such as Siegfried and Achilles their identity alone will tell anyone their weakness.

Though the way Fate tends to put it, despite siegfried having a weak point on his back and Achilles his heel, you still need to hit that part of their body in the first place, which is rather difficult when they have anime reflexes.

>>159831196
not sure about the alchemist claim, but after returning to clock tower he turned out to be one of the best lecturers, producing high level magi.

>>159831292
which Lancers tho

>>159829503
Cripple sex when?

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>>159831137

>>159831292
>gay bolg
>killing anyone

>>159831334
The sexiest one.

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>>159831383
I agree

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>>159831405
>no sculpted abs
>no smug grin
>no long stick
>female

>>159831234
Yeah but those types of weaknesses are never exploited in the series.

>>159831277
It does, but every time they just find out by fighting them not by figuring out who they were and anticipating they're abilities. Like Gilgamesh being found out doesn't really lead to anything when the only conclusion is "he can launch those weapons out like we already saw him doing"

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>>159830106
>falling for the pop-sci meme

>>159831258
Reading the VN won't remove Nasu's hack writing

>>159831405
How can other sufferings even hope to compete.

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>>159831137

Why do people keep posting irrelevant screen in the comments?

do they think we're stupid?

>>159831475
Not reading the vns will prevent exposure to Nasu's hack writing.

>>159831518
Go call a mod then and let him tell that we are 2 different IPs

>>159831529
>prevent exposure
That's no different from watching the same shit he wrote.

>>159831518
See
>>159830951
That's Reason # 1 how we can tell he's underage. Good job! What others can you find? Hint: There are at least four.

>>159830874
Fate/Zero was written as a complete story.

Unlimited Blade Works was written as Part II of a three part story.

An anime adaptation is only ever meant to supplement the original work, almost never to replace it. Read the VN and come back with an opinion that isn't retarded.

>Shirou stated that only a complete moron would believe into wish-granting machine, but he joined the war anyway just to stop said dumb people from doing too much damage as they chase their dream
>Kiritsugu sacrificed everything to get a shoot at the grail

Really makes you think.

>>159831196
the clock tower doesn't really have alchemists so maybe he's considered decent there but there's an alchemist association in prague and atlas is doing quantum alchemy so I doubt he'd be anywhere near them

>>159831899
Almost like he learned from his father's mistakes

FGO was a mistake

>>159831734
The UBW anime was written in a way that makes it a really good stand alone. And if no one knew anything about fate(if they were lucky) it would be considered a great story.

>>159832151
it brought the franchise back to life, so I don't know about that

>>159832173
Some things are better off dead.

>>159832173
Pumping it full of normalshits and secondaries itsn't 'bringing it back to life' it's 'desecrating its grave, stealing the corpse, and using as a garden gnome'.

>>159832253
you're saying that as if the anime didn't do that from the getgo

>>159829503
Cure Serious Wounds is a cleric spell, /a/non.

>>159830707

Because the alternative is to face the realization that none of them will ever reach the Root in their lifetime.

>>159832151
Camelot and Babylon are best entries in the series bud.

Only reason not to like FGO is because you are salty Tsukifag.

>>159829503
She can heal her legs. Issue is that doing so will remove her ability to cast spells, which is not something she's ready to do.

Even then, she created herself manipulator limbs that let her move around. She just wants to walk without magical assistance.

>>159830707
Because, as device, it still works. While it can't actually grant wishes in the way immature people such as Kiritsugu would expect it to do, it's still powerful tool that can be leveraged to produce awesome results, be it creating right circumstances for your organization, rendering all of humanity ever immortal or, indeed, reaching the Root.

Fighting the Grail war is still risky proposition, for obvious reasons. Still, low success rate doesn't mean that it can't succeed period.

>>159830798
>There's like only 1 single grail war that ended with the victors' wishes granted properly

The Moon Cell

>>159832562
Mooncell works on completely different principles, however.

>>159829503
Is her brother a siscon?

>>159830160
Not quite. He managed to brainwash them but didn't do it well enough that they couldn't figure out that they have no idea how he's related to them.

>>159830707
The first three wars were fuckups and as such basically in the prototype/testing stage, The fourth was randomly attacked by the winrar, and the fifth was won by an idiot.

>>159831209
The japanese have a hardon against open sourcing. You see that in any japanese media.

>>159831444
>types of weaknesses are never exploited in the series.

It will be in Apocrypha.

>>159831899
>Shirous stated that only a complete moron would believe into wish-granting machine.
The fact magic exists and historical figures can be summoned to modern times to give you a blow job means Shirou's opinion is discarded.

The fact nihilism is the end goal of the Nasuverse means whatever Shirou says is irrelevant. The fact that the wish granting machine works means Shirou is the only moron and he proves it.

>>159830798
If a Grail War breaks out why don't more people summon Solomon? If you summon the creator of Magecraft there is nothing to worry about.

Fate is a complete hack for the simple fact nobody else in the other universes summoned Solomon right off the back. Hell if you Summon him you don't even need the fucking Grail and can unlock every type of magic that has been lost.

Einzberns were retarded.

>>159833839
>not understanding the difference between goals and wishes

Hurry and grow up, anon-kun.

>>159830340
Damn, that's why I was getting this feeling of familiarity. I miss Maoyuu Maou Yuusha. Even got my hopes up when there was a single update back in January.

if you lost all feeling in your legs would you cut them off or let them hang

>>159833889
>why don't more people summon Solomon
Probably because of the lack of a good catalyst to summon him.

And you can't summon Solomon as a servant anymore anyway.

>>159831899
Kiritsugu has and will always be an idiotic manchild, that's the whole point, he's a naive idealistic child despite appearing to be an edgelord. That's why Zerofags who like Zero because "muh serious holy grail war for adult people such as myself" are even more immature and childish than Kiritsugu itself. It's pitiful.

>>159836591
Why do you post this?
Do you think you are funny?
That you made a good post?
Do you feel proud of yourself by behaving like this even if "ironically"?

>>159836606
E..even on 4chan, people think i'm not funny. I'm just going to leave and never come back

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>>159831209
>pretending class matters
>pretending servant name matters
>pretending stats matter
ALL that matters is whether or not your servant is cute.

You could summon fucking Socrates and as long as he is a q.t. Saberclone, he will annihilate fucking EVERYTHING.

>>159836835
Will Mordred win the apocryball then?

>>159836868
lol no

>>159836868
Not even Saberface can beat the DRAGON DICK, ask Jeanne about it.

>>159836886
The theory is wrong then.

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>>159829503
>fatefag

>>159836868
evil-Shirou is cuter.

>>159832151
this

>>159831234
O MY VULNERABLE TENDON

>>159837052
>>159832151
>Butthurt tsukihimefags

>>159829503
Because this is Nasu, not Kamachi

>>159830106
He's a fucking tool, what are you talking about? He also got BTFO by Susskind.

>>159831234
Or like Siegfried who has a leaf shaped mark on his back where he's vulnerable?

>>159831292
Correct me if I'm wrong but is there anything in Cu's legend stating his weapon can instapierce your heart?

>>159838166
No. It's just a cursed spear that kills you immediately if you're wounded by it in any way.