Why don't any of the writers take a moment to ask "what

>>159801026
Because anime isn't realistic and is made to appeal to losers. Why do you think every male MC ever is a plain boring beta?

>>159801026
She literally said he is funny

You want every anime guy to be a supermodel or something?

My guess in the manga is that they had a childhood-friend connection and he's conveniently forgotten about it.

>>159801188
>Convenient childhood friends

That's when you know a writer is a hack, because they rely on some nebulous past relationship to create a connection instead of building a believable relationship in front of the audeince's eyes.

It's like the mysterious "best friends" of the MC who never ever interact with the MC in a believable way except to be a punchline or to serve as jealous comedic relief.

>>159801026
She said why in the first episode you idiot

>>159801962
I marathoned the manga 2 days ago and this isnt implied anywhere. In fact, there already is a childhood friend so it would be fairly retarded to have her be one as well.

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>>159801026
>Why don't any of the writers take a moment to ask "what makes this boy attractive to the girl"?
>implying you would watch such anime.

japan doesn't care if dumb westerners hate their anime/manga. Should stick to your sjw cartoons honestly

>>159801026
Well, the manga is a piece of shit and the anime too, it's just that the anime has original content but it's still shit. So that's why. They want to make a generic anime

>>159801026
>>159801090
>>159801090
>Because anime isn't realistic and is made to appeal to losers.
Falling in love with someone in real life is mostly and mainly based on someone being your "type" and that has something to do with a person's looks.

Rarely do relationships start with [enter deep reason to fall in love with someone here].

Anime, manga, and light novels are inherently unrealistic because authors, mostly having no romantic experiences themselves, write love stories where people love others for reasons. This runs counter to how shit regularly starts in RL.

>>159802619
So far, I haven't seen anything original in the anime, just them shuffling around the timing of some of the scenes.

Why do /a/ want Chad in every anime they watch?

>>159802823
None of them but it's really common for those cheerleader types to go after earnest and easy to tease guys. Just taller and not as shrimpy as MC. They call them plowhorses where I come from. Nice guy that will work himself into the ground who gets bullied by his wife who latched onto him in highschool where she was at the apex of her popularity and he was a nobody.

Never underestimate women's fetishes for power play. That's why they have princess fantasies, not just the money and adulation but to be able to tell people to fight and die for their pleasure.

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>>159802173
In Noucoume they explicitly state that MC is incredibly attractive.

>>159801026
Females have different expectations and standards when looking for a partner compared to males. It'd be hard for the opposite gender to understand sometimes, anon.

>>159803143
It also sold like shit, even if it was a good anime/LN.

>>159801090

/thread

>>159801160
>You want every anime guy to be a supermodel or something?
If the guy is pulling 10/10s then he pretty much should be yeah. It doesn't have to be appearance, but there should be some very special aspect to him or it just feels retarded.

>>159801160
She thought he was fun to be with and tease because she liked his reactions/thought they were cute, but remember she initially thought he seriously liked her when he first confessed.

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>>159801026
> Developing female characters
> Developing female characters and their lives outside MC and their rivalry with other girls for MCs dick®
> Developing the relationships with MC and why they fall in love and would be ideal for each other

What is this? You don't want another self-insert fantasy like my romcom harems, anon? Is that it?

>>159802173
I want to give pres anal

>>159803238
Most anime guys are 10/10's in looks, it takes a lot of effort to make an anime guy/gal look terrible

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>hair is orange in manga covers
>beta mc brown in anime

>>159803309
They're certainly not ugly but they're definitely not all 10/10 in looks that would be someone like Ichika or that faggot people call jesus.

>>159802823
The irony is strong in this post.

It goes:

- Mutual attraction (which is entirely arbitrary because of the huge individual variation in what's thought of as attractive)
- Friendship
- (optional) getting completely hammered
- Sex
- Relationship

Any one of these stages is an opportunity for failure, and without #1, mutual attraction, there's really not a lot going to happen.

Okusama ha Seitokaichou nailed it WRT realistic depiction of human relationships, which is why it bombed. No-one wants realistic characters, and aaying that girls enjoy sex per se, and aren't saving themselves to fuck the viewer triggered the otaku the fuck out.

>>159801026
big benis

>>159802823
Thinking about it, of all things Harvest Moon nailed it:

- be only boy for thirty miles
- keep hanging out with girl
- eventually get drunk in bar and fuck

>>159801026
>it is ok for guy in anime to fall for any girl because "she is hot/moe af"
>suddenly a girl reciprocates and that needs an elaborate thought-out reason

>>159803401
HA HA HA

You are a funny guy, OSK got two seasons and season 1 sold well for an 8 minute episode series. It was season 2 that sold lower because it focused too much on the dumb girl with the big tits.

It is nowhere near a good representative of human relationships and is more wish fulfillment than this gyaru series. It's full of this crap >>159801962, and both female leads Ui and Rin are literal wish fulfillment masturbation material. One girl fell in love because childhood friend, and is loyal when he cheats on her. The other fell in love with him because he sexually harassed her (groped her, saw her naked, and felt her up).

>>159803561
Faggots projecting because a girl never liked them

>>159803097
Mate the princess shit is just fairytale stuff, like wanting a prince to come and sweep you off your feet or having rhe money and freedom to do what you want. Or Cinderella shit. All that other stuff you said sounds more like a queen or an empress than a princess.

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>>159803561
No it's not.

If MC falls for anyone at any time, a massive shitstorm erupts and the authors get death threats.

>>159803309
Following that logic than a fucking emoji is a 10/10 in looks

>>159803262
Re-reading this post it sounds like I'm mocking you, but I'm not. It's just that you can't really expect quality in these kind of series where the MC serves as the self-insert character so he can pretend they have an harem of waifus willing to fight to the death over his dick which probably has something special unlike his dweeb self.

>>159801090
This. How is this not obvious? OP, don't you find it weird how most anime MCs are short teenagers with no friends?

>>159801090
>Why do you think every male MC ever is a plain boring beta?
Because you haven't seen enough anime

>>159803669
I'm pretty sure faggots don't give a shit about whether girls like them or not.

>>159803653
Also, most actions of the MC would put him in juvenile hall for sexual harassment. He wouldn't have a girl fall in love with him he would be behind bars.

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>>159801160
Honestly, if the MC has a ton of girls on his dick, they need to give him something to make me suspend my disbelief. Some plan, beta runt having a harem is too unrealistic.

>>159803653
>sexually harassed her
Pretty sure it was consensual flirting, anon.

Way to prove my point: no-one wants to see "kinda like someone" --> "heavy petting" --> "sex" --> "maybe ask name" because it's too realistic and doesn't provide a narrative with clearly-defined relationship events and an explanation for why everything happens.

>>159803401
>calling another post ironic then calls Okusama ha Seitokaichou as realistic

The MC should be 10/10 alpha mating pressing all the girls in the show like my boy Makoto

>>159803309
Not really, most romcoms MC are described as "your average highschool student". If he's attractive they usually point it out.

>>159803942
It was not consensual, at all. That makes it sexual harassment. Ui, sure it was consensual. Rin, no, his actions is straight sexual harassment.

>>159801026
Girls are incapable of love. The only things that matter is how good you are at fucking and how much money you have.

>>159803561
This is one of the dumbest things I see in anime fandom: people complaining about how when girls fall for guys (especially in harem stories), it has to be for some really complex reason.
Girls fall in love with guys the same way guys fall in love with girls. You don't need a complex reason to fall for some silent glasses wearing and boring woman, the same way women can do the same for a similar man.
Most initial attraction isn't deeply thought shit.

>>159801026
I always assume they are just really good looking, it's hard to say with the anime artstyle.

>>159801026
So what makes this boy attractive to the girl?

>>159804011
The only think the series is good for is to wank off to your waifu. Thinking any deeper would make anyone's head hurt since they have so many leaps in logic just to have an excuse for fanservice.

We can't say he's not good-looking.
Even if he's a virgin, his childhood friend and another female classmate of his wants to ride his penis. He's just completely oblivious to their wants.

>>159804278
There is always a reason for the things you do, even if it's subconscious so you don't realize it.

>I like him
>why?
>because I just do lol
This what brainlets actually believe.

>>159804618
That's how love works, if you're an alpha male

>>159803401
You had a good post until you mentioned okusama. Way to kill a good post dude. That shitty manga sold a million copies (average 100,000 copies a volume), and it's terrible anime for two seasons, one more season than most anime.

Being a virgin at age 15 who the fuck does that?

>>159805077
Oops I meant to say "It's terrible anime got two seasons"

>>159804618
Some love stories start with a "he farted next to me" you know.

>>159801026
Would destroy the self inserting.

The pacing was godawful.
Should've been a short.

>>159805286
It's pretty hilarious since some shows would have been better if it was longer like >>159803401
>>159803653, but some like Hajimete no Gal would benefit from having their time cut.

It's also made by the same studios and director (Gal and OSK).

>>159804561
Yes, but "there was a subconscious reason for it" is not something an author can write into a story

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>>159801160
>>159801090

Bishounen/Bishoujo is patrician taste though

>>159802929
Wanting a character with an actual personality doesn't mean wanting a chad.

>>159805811
Then what do you want???

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Okay, dumb question so feel free to ignore me, but is there any non shojo series (for obvious reasons), more specifically harem, where is it shown or mentioned that the girl feels physical attraction to the MC? When they show the guys feeling, it's always mentioned how cute/elegant/beautiful the girl is, but when they focus on the girl, the reason she likes him is always a nebulous "he's so nice!" It's there any kind of series which do that? The girl lusting after the boy's face/ body/ height or whatever? The only example I recall would be Sakura.

>>159801026
Because sometimes people never understand why they like another person.

That's pure love.

>>159802929
You got it wrong anon.

We want Chads doing bad ass things in the most ridiculous bad ass ways.
Men are like this.. don't ask why I dunno.

>>159805915
Interview With Monster Girls but calling it a harem is kinda pushing it. I know there's others but I'm really bad with names.

>>159805978
Spoken like a true virgin. Girls like confident, aggressive guys not stammering little pussies

He actually got the balls to look at her pantsu and admit he did while confessing to her.

>>159805491
Of course he can, if he's good at writing.

>>159806088
Well the guy in this show went for it didn't he?

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>>159806088
>on /a/
>not a 30 yr old wizard
>not a dark wraith

>>159805177
1. Bullied guys
2. Unattractive guys
3. Nerds
t. 25 y.o. virgin who was 1 and 3.

>>159805915
It's really sad but I genuinely can't think of a single one. There are plenty of series where the MC is canonically very attractive but the female characters never care about or show any interest in that.

Actually there was the fact the zombie loli in Bakemonogatari liked Araragi's muscles but she was a minor side character.

>>159805177
Ex child abuse victims that were molested but not sodomized.

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>>159805915
Aho Girl also does with the disciplinary president as for the main girl I'm not sure she can feel anything sexual she's simply too stupid.

>>159806339
Now that I think about it, in Sengoku Rance Kenshin falls for him based purely on his appearance. That's probably not the kind of thing you were thinking about though.

>>159803403
this
guy is probably hung

>>159806191
He can... what? Write about innermost subconscious processes of the brain that are invisible to us? In the first place this would only make sense in a very specific show and by that point you are being really pedant. Fuck off

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>>159805912

>>159806541
You don't have to have someone say it out loud, it can be shown through their backstory and the plot. For example, a weak character might like a mentally strong character because it makes them feel safer. Or a dominant woman might like a man who is more submissive. Through their actions you can make it clear why a character likes another character even without anyone saying it.

>>159803168
>>159804278
These guys get it.

>>159804202
Did you get your generalization from bad TV sitcoms?

>>159803238
>If the guy is pulling 10/10s then he pretty much should be yeah. It doesn't have to be appearance, but there should be some very special aspect to him or it just feels retarded.
The Tenchi Muyo franchise basically made sure the protagonist is the bachelor of the century. There are three major male protagonists in the multiverse and each are massively over-qualified. None of the three are "handsome" as such, but you are not going to get a harem on looks alone anyway.

>>159806694
The fact that he is a direct descendant of the most powerful royal family in the galaxy alone makes Tenchi completely overqualified for anything. Add powers that rival goddesses, and a harem of super beauties who can conquer the universe and you can see why he is seen as a huge threat to literally everything.

But she did say that he was a bit attractive in the anime, and in the manga it's implied he's not bad besides being wishy washy.

Blogpost:
When I fell in love I just liked the girl, it's not like she said or did anything special. In fact, I didn't find her that attractive at first (from a pic a friend showed me) until I met her.

>>159806894
you just described being sex friends. Why do people call it love so easily

>>159807146
What's wrong with falling in love just because?
And what did I say that implied it was sex friends? Sex friend is someone who you fuck, but keep as a friend, so there's no longing, no desire for more emotional stuff... and if that's there, the romantic aspect of a relationship, why deny it being love?
God damn, these new generations are all cynical and negative about it.

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>>159801026
Maybe I have too much belief in /a/. This is common normalfag 3DPD shit.

>Guy trying to get with girl
>Guy does something stupid to get the girl's attention. Maybe a cheesy pick-up line, you catch my drift.
>Girl is amused, "you're funny anon," etc.
>"Sure. Wanna hang out or something?" "Let's meet up again," "bring your normalfag friends and I'll bring mine, and let's party," etc.
>Give her the deep dick the see night

>>159805915
It was mentioned in this thread earlier, but OSK. The main girl likes the main guy's build, his glasses, his good looks. You can feel that she has genuine attraction to the MC.

Of course that genuine connection is less believable when she stays loyal to him when he cheats on her with the big breasted discipline committee girl.

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>>159801026
Because fuck you.

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>>159801026
This is your MC tonight.

>>159807818
Umm, I'm intrigued. Is it worth it?
>>159807970
Source? Or is it only a joke?

>>159808129
No, it was mentioned several times.

It is a terrible series.

>Another thread about muh alpha and muh beta
Go watch Netflix shit if you want 3DPD

Because she's a pure girl disguised as a gyaru and wants a nice boyfriend

Ranko is a lesbian and does not want

childhood friend is a crazy little shortstack who wants a deep dicking

class prez likes him because he's such pathetic servile betas who she can control

>>159808222
Nice meme.

>>159807745
Depends on the party's atmosphere, really.

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>>159801026
Because he is kind.

Also, he is handsome as fuck. No, seriously, think on it, if you look at the average male Mc, and pay attention to anime beauty standards (face shape, eyes size/shape, etc) is obvious that he, like pretty much every MC, is pretty handsome.

You just have to compare them with the rest of male characters to realize this simple truth. Harem main characters are handsome, bland as fuck, yes, but still handsome.

>>159808264
No anon, you're the meme

Now go watch some alpha black men fucking white girls, since that seems to be more according to your tastes

>>159808223
The class pres also sees him as her "first" servant, so he's a bit special to her in that regard.

>>159808440
The thing is this MC doesn't even have the kind meme to back him up, he is only in it for her body mostly

>>159809131
The MC is a dick, not in an endearing way, but the kind you hate since he is so superficial, then he becomes a better person, but you remember how terrible he was in the beginning.

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>>159805915

>>159809131

She might be in it for the same reasons though.

>>159802071
Reminder that Yozora took three damn books to reveal herself as a former childhood friend. A similarly shitty series could run even longer.

Also, what is this show?

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>>159803763
Has an author actually get killed or harmed in any way because of his works?

>>159809131
>The thing is this MC doesn't even have the kind meme to back him up
>the kind meme to back him up
I've seen some stupid things posted on this site but this is something else.

>>159810812
People are autistic and crazy, but they are not "soap opera" crazy here. At most they damage their own books and form a website of spite.

>>159801026
I read this manga at the same time, I always ask myself that, taking the fact that "because the plot demands it," why the fuck is she with MC? Until now everything he has shown her and that he is a horny teenager who wants to fuck her, that's all, why?

>>159803168
It's true you could make a manga or even an anime about it ...

>>159812079
Think they have an entire genre dedicated too that.

>>159801026
I just learned in certain subsets of anime, just shut your brain down and suspend your disbelief to enjoy things.

>>159802823
Write a love story the way it happens in real life and watch as everyone turns away from it.
Realism doesn't sell and isn't appealing, not in anime, movies, literature or any other medium.

>>159801026
Probably something like his simple personality and looks.

>>159801026
Is the MC this retarded in the manga too?

>>159802071
Already forgot Nisekoi?

>>159801026
They explained for the camwhore
SHe wanted slave to abuse who will be happy to drink her piss on camera and who isn't ugly
Guy was literally created for it
Ranko doesn't like him at all
Childhood tits and main girl are mystery

>>159803561
But people DO complains about that. Every anime with more than two girls is always the same: "Why this faggot mc likes this doormat/tsundere instead of the much better <insert best girl here>".

>>159809131
>on a site full of perverts who only think with their dicks
>singling out a particular MC because he got attracted to a woman's body
You could power an entire city with the irony in your post.

>>159801026

it's a shit series

>>159815415
I don't know, maybe just maybe they want an MC that is more idealized than a mirror reflection? Just because all dudes think with their dicks doesn't mean that we want our stories to feature guys who think with their dicks.

>>159801026
>implying they always fall for him at first sight
>implying attraction is in any way rational
You niggas need to stop questioning why the attraction exists or how the attraction began and focus on how the characters respond to their attraction. That's the important part.

>>159809131
And? Who is to say she still can't be attracted to him?

>>159817032
Except he is idealized. He's getting less pushy about the sex and obviously has seen her as something more than sexual attraction.

I'm sure none of you fucks would do the same thing.

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>Wants to fuck
>Ignores the loli titty monster because "lol she like an imouto to me"
I don't give two fucks if you were born in the same room and put in the same crib, the bitch wants the dick, so give it to her. I can't take these faggot MCs, they always have a stupid reason for not fucking the perfectly fine chick that lives right next to them. At least consider it. Honestly, it would take a special man to look at that fucking girl and go, "Our relationship as not brother and not sister, is strong enough that I don't want to plow her brains out despite me being a desperate virgin"

>>159807254
>God damn, these new generations are all cynical and negative about it.
It's because "true" (e.g. loyal, committed, willing to sacrifice) love is almost impossible to find IRL nowadays, and when it's seen in anime/manga, the audience starts questioning its "realism" instead of rolling with it.

It doesn't help that a lot of romance works eventually turn it up with cheating, used goods, unbearable teenage angst, etc.

>>159817400
You must have not had a hot childhood friend.

If you sister-zoned a girl you knew since you were a kid, being the prettiest and hottest girl will never get past the fact that you see her as a sister and nothing more.

>>159817400

Brother/sister relationships are weird. My sister very likely caused me to be curious about sex early, and she was an easy object to think about that kind of stuff with when I was young and didn't have the internet. The thought of actually doing anything with her, in a real life, not fantasy kind of way, however, is disgusting to me. The fantasy has this nice taboo aura, but bringing it into the real world just shatters it completely.

I've heard this same sentiment from most siblings I know, and if it isn't this kind of weird almost thought, then its immediately disgusting to them, without any of the first part.

I know that incest does happen in real life, but its a lot rarer than japan likes to make it seem.

>>159817400
If it's a friend he feels nothing for (and it seemed like the case to me), then it seems perfectly reasonable that he doesn't want to fuck her despite how desperate he is.

The manga had a better (albeit more plot contrived) reason for not choosing her right away--she simply didn't show up until later on in the series. In this light, I consider the anime to be superior because his feelings are made clear right from the start.

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>>159803262
Ore Monogatari spoiled all other romance anime for me. Both the MCs are at their core good people who love each other, and are both attracted to each other sexually and romantically. Yamato has a type, Takeo has a type, and both these glorious people meet by chance and have a nice, long, happy relationship with eachother.

Also the physical comedy is great, which isn't something you can say in alot of anime.

>>159803401

While OSK is not realistic at all, what I do like is that the motivation for the girls liking Izumi is not because "he is nice."

Ui likes him out of obligation since she was there when his mom died, after years of separation, her obligation transformed to a sense of longing and love. From there, she liked his good looks, nerdy personality, and how he is earnest with his sexuality.

Rin likes him because he is the first guy who doesn't put her on a pedestal and treat her like a pair of walking tits. He is in effect, her first real friend of the opposite sex. As she knew more about him, in both his perv side, and his more kind side, she slowly developed a crush on him that turned into love at some point.

>>159817665
A big factor that made Ore Monogatari really engaging was the fact that the relationship started pretty much immediately. You didn't have to sit through 95% bullshit in order to for them to realize the feelings they had for each other long before the last 5%.

This is why I think this series has potential.

>>159817520
>You must have not had a hot childhood friend.
I did, and I didn't think about her for years. After sitting down and thinking about it, I wondered what my problem was? I mean, she was probably one of my only female friends, cute, smart, nice bodied. I guess you are right though, I was blind to her for a while and didn't consider her seriously before.

>>159817606
>>159817661
I'd just assume that a man willing to beg some chick he barely knows to go out with him for the sole purpose of fucking her would consider the girl with the mega jugs who's clearly interested, him being a desperate retard and all. Although, when you don't feel something for someone, I guess you can't really force yourself to suddenly have feelings for them.

>>159817837
It's why i drop a majority of the romance/harem anime i pick up. I like the chase, the chase is good, but there is stuff that comes after the chase i want to see.

I'd also think it would be fun to see a Legacy romance anime, like with they did with JoJo or Naruto. but that is so fucking incredibly niche it will never get made.

>>159817780
Wow, I never read this but I like this Rin girl already. I feel her pain.

>>159818093
The problem is that most manga-ka never been in a relationship, so they dint know how to make the romance strong and believable.

Everyone can write a good story about trying to get the girl, few could write a good story about trying to keep her from walking away once you got her.

>>159801090
read the manga anon.

It basically teaches beta faggs to stop being that and be direct about shit. Like a guide on how to go with a relationship even if they have zero experience.

Sssasuga birthrate up project.

>>159818093
The only time I put up with "romance" not focusing on the development of a relationship is when there are other things going on that are more important (e.g. work, fighting/action, family).

Which is why school romance is mostly trash if the relationship doesn't start immediately. The average first world middle/high school student literally has nothing going for them outside of school.

>>159818222
>Wow, I never read this but I like this Rin girl already. I feel her pain.
Thing is, it's really hard to not get really fucking pissed when you see her get MC's attention, because the series spent a lot of time making Ui out to be the main girl.

how long until translators translate chapter 37? fucks sake...

>>159801026
Look, she decided to date him. This does not mean she loves him, decided to marry him, believes he is her ideal man, or any of that nonsense. That stuff happens only after dating or knowing someone for a very long time. In Japan, even just dating, at least in high school, typically requires that sort of confession, a claim like "I love you", to begin. But that's really only a demonstration of intent rather than anything else.

We can at least begin with this: as shitty as he is, the MC at least did a proper confession. This is something that 30%+ of men in Japan are not actually doing (and they are still virgins in their 30s). Already the MC has proven he is not in the bottom 70%.

As for her reason of acceptance-- "it seems fun." Sums it up. He is not like the other men in her social circle, he is an entire wildcard and as such, he can likely be entertaining and different in ways that those other men could not. What exactly does she have to lose? She does not seem to have a reputation for chastity or some kind of huge popularity kick, she's just a regular girl doing regular girl things. Even having a boyfriend is probably a status symbol to her, and from everything we know he is supposed to be pretty easy on the eyes. That can't hurt.

You do not date people because you love them. You date people because there is attraction and you want to see if there is more. Her attraction is "being entertained". It's totally rational and works.

>>159818627
learn japanese you useless cancer

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>>159818720
Honestly, the fact that he tried at all, especially right at the start, already makes this series worth watching, regardless of the girl's response. I'm fucking tired of people burying their feelings because of a fear of rejection or sheer embarrassment among peers.

>>159818356
I don't see how that's a problem, many stories shift narratives/characters over time. If anything, that is a good thing since it adds an air of unpredictability and uncertainty.

>>159801026
Who gives a shit; this series is about wish fullfilment fantasies for lonely, horny teenagers; not people who give a shit about plot and story

>>159801090
I'm an ugly loser, and these type of MCs suck donkey ass. Why would I want to self insert into a more pathetic version of me?

>>159803401
>sex before relationship

Huh? I though you got into a relationship first then had sex.

>>159819125
Because as a viewer, it's really hard to switch sides once you've chosen one. It takes something drastic for that to happen.

The MC doesn't even have to make an explicit commitment; if the chemistry is there, then the first girl is generally the one people choose.

>>159806583
yang is to pure for this world

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>>159801026
This is good enough for me.

>people ITT having girls as friends growing up

Must've been nice. Would've been nice to have one friend growing up.

>>159804278
This.

>>159818789
no time, you fucking moon fagg.

>>159801090
I don't get it, though. Everyone on /a/ complains about them, yet /a/ is supposed to be the demographic.

So who the fuck actually likes these guys?

>>159820035
The anime community outside of /a/?

>>159820035
Most people on /a/ don't give a shit about the guys and focus completely on the girls. look at any thread about haremshit and it is all talk about the women.

>>159820035
>Everyone on /a/ complains about them
>Everyone
Stop it.

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>>159801026
He's one of the worst MCs. Almost as bad as Seiren's MC

>>159820343
chicken and egg here, if every MC wasn't just MC-kun, then we'd probably talk about the MCs more. Like Haruhi in Ouran. Giving your MC a personality is a gamble though, unfortunately

>>159820801
It's not so much a personal or as much as making them less bland. While not a harem lead (I think), Kyon from Haruhi was popular on here because he was likable, sardonic, sarcastic, and was actually a character as opposed to a cardboard cutout the audience is supposed to self insert in.

>>159801026
Standards of beauty and attractiveness are different in Japan

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>>159821022
6 to one, half a dozen to the other

>>159820801
But if an author is good enough to write an interesting MC, would such an author even write a harem?

The few examples of works I can think of end up not being harems despite looking like one.

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>>159801160
this
Humor and a shred of confidence goes a long way with women

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>>159801026

Because the only realistic answer is a mixture of money, power, and confidence absent in their target demographic.

>>159821165
Probably not, a skilled writer would also probably write unique and different settings that would not be conducive for harem antics.

>>159821338
>>159821165
skilled writers also have to eat, which means pandering to the lowest common denominator.

>>159801026
retarded anime cliches is what

>>159805915
Yosuga no Sora, but only two sub-characters (maid Motoka and class officer Kozue).
I don't remember the main four reacting to his looks.

>>159821385
What I meant was, if a writer is skilled enough to make an interesting MC, would they bother putting such an MC in a harem?

>>159821607
Even if they don't mention it, Haruka is a bishounen through and through. He looks like a short haired and taller version of his sister, who is remarked in universe to be extraordinarily beautiful.

>>159821607
Does it even count if it's omnibus? From what I've seen, a girl isn't even attracted to the MC (and vice versa) if the show isn't in their respective arc.

>>159806583
Haha

fuck

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>>159820035
Its natural to hate people who are a reflection of yourself

Summer at its finest in this thread.

>>159820035
Watch Welcome to the NHK, if you can't understand it after it then there's nothing we can tell you.

>>159822333
seconded

>>159820035
>yet /a/ is supposed to be the demographic.
You fucking retard, /a/ is not the demographic, Japanese otaku are the demographic.

>>159801026
Girls in anime fall for boring MCs because the audience likes to self insert, and they become delusional and think they will someday have a qt3.14 and so they buy more blurays

>>159824414
Pretty much.

Are you Japanese?
Do you live in Japan?
Are you an otaku?

If you answer all three, you are the target market.

>>159801026
As a pathetic loser this guy is just embarrassing. It's honestly a fucking insult that I am being compared to this shit.

>>159803401
>>159819303
You both are wrong, you make the relationship while fucking so it happens at the same time.

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>>159801026
am i retarded or is there supposed to be this bullshit here.

>>159809285
Holy shit she is thirsty.
Don't tell me
>MC is a total beta and is scared of her
>She is a tsundere and only does this when he is not aware
>They are under some kind of lewd spell
>It's a dream
Any of those right?

>>159827975
its censored, and for some reason nobody knows where to find an uncensored subbed version.

>>159828398
I thought the one on Nyaa si was uncensored?

I feel like /a/ would complain about everything just like /v/.

>>159828444
>Nyaa si
completely forgot about this, thanks anon

>>159828031
MC is... actually not a beta. He gets with her and claims her as his girlfriend/fiancee. I believe they also bone, but I could be misremembering.

She is a tsundere at first but she's a classic tsundere. Tsun at the start but by like episode 6 or so she is full dere.

The lewd spell is just that she is super fucking thirsty and wants the D badly.

No, not a dream.

Rakudai is not a good show by any means, but Stella gets her man early and tries to be a good girl for him.

read the manga all the way through to chapter 37. Their love actually makes some pretty good sense. the mutual attraction and fumbling of both the characters. perfect. its just perfect. Its a love story full of Gyarus, and its all that i wanted.

I am now, however, very very very concerned with how fast they are introducing characters.

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>>159828804
Well fuck, I'll watch it.

>>159805177
I'm a 24 year old kissless virgin

>>159821257
I dont get this gif

>>159805915
Ore Monogatari

Yamato, the female MC, is very much sexually attracted to the male MC. be warned, there is absolutely not ecchi or female fanservice. closest thing you get is a beach episode. They spare no expense on the male MC's body and movement.

>>159819529
I miss her. Our relationship was like Tomo and Jun

Do gyarus really exist?

>>159829604
if you live in the west, go outside. gyarus are everywhere, you are just used to looking at them.

>>159829604
in the west, gyarus are the girls everyone thinks are dirty who are always skipping class and smoking in front of the school

>>159829604
As I understand it Gyaru is a (mostly) dead fashion subculture in real life.

>>159830043
Mostly because it was horribly mismanaged by the brands who sell western fashion in Japan, and the general dislike of westernization in japan in general. As well as the declining birthrate japan is experiencing, Older gyarus are just leaving the subculture and not staying to pass it onto the younger generations, like Lolita fashion is.

There has been alot of Gyraru in media though, so maybe there is something to revitalize.

>>159801090
I don't think anyone, not even /a/, was THIS big a loser in school. The MC or his friends. I don't recall any guy yelling out FUCKING TITS LOL in class or any guy reading Hustler/Penthouse during class.

>>159829106
Shut up, me.

>>159803719
Princess works the exact same way, just before they ascend into actually having a queen's power. Don't mistake what a real princess is for what Disney shits out.

>>159801026
Because anime is wish-fulfilment. If you want to watch Chad get girls you just need to go outside, no need to watch anime for that.

>>159802929
Because they want to self insert as who they want to be and not who they are.

>>159802929
/a/ doesn't. A minority of complainers (who might as well be female) does.

Most people are fine with how things are, otherwise they'd have long given up on anime because they're obviously not being catered to.

>>159801026
Well, she said he isn't bad looking and find his squirming to be funny/entertaining. Maybe "attractive" isn't the right word, but more like "interested".

>>159802929
Some people are natural cucks. They derive pleasure from seeing men who are 'better' than them please the women they don't get.
Others, even though they might be losers, still have that much pride that they only enjoy watching the kind of fantasy where a guy resembles them (or perhaps who is even worse) gets the girl.

>>159831146
I can't believe we are sharing this site with people that were born after the 2000s.

>>159833052
We shouldn't be, until next year.

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>>159801026
I like how Noucome does it.
The MC is actually handsome.

>>159807146
"Sex friend" is a relationship stage, anon.

You might both decide that what you want is more monogamy or more cohabitation, or you might decide that "sex friend" is the level of commitment you actually want.

There's nothing wrong with that.

>>159833161
>sold like shit
>second season never
Clearly that worked out.

>>159807818
You get that they're friends that are heavy-petting, right?

There's no "betrayal" because no-one's expectations were violated.

Tangentially, all this forced drama came about because the author was happy enough depicting the bit you like, but the audience wasn't going for it because they felt threatened by realistic depiction of human relationships, and the publisher forced him to either stop writing it or to throw in harem shenanigans.

Which didn't help: it still sold like shit, I imagine because several teenagers having casual sex activities outside the context of a romcom courtship was even more triggering than just two of them.

>>159833524
Because jap have shit taste.

>>159801026
because they're busy thinking what is attractive to the japanese audience, who is predominantly lonely adult men, where self insertions with big bouncing titties and panty shots gets enough attention to make their pay check for a few months